There's just nothing there

[He's here!]

Prior to today's entirely predictable and pathetic defeat to a bottom-of-the league team which hadn't won in their last 10 (with an entirely predictable and pathetic defeat in next weekend's derby to come), I was going to say this reminds me of the Williamson, Calderwood and Fenlon spells in charge where we offered little more than mid/lower table mediocrity for months on end. However, at least under Bobby and Pat we had some cup runs, with a smattering of very promising youngsters coming to the fore under the former.

This, though, feels like a whole new level of nothingness. Nothing in terms of players to get excited by or youngsters coming through the ranks, nothing in terms of a manager you think can turn things around, nothing in terms of a discernible long-term strategy for the club and nothing in terms of atmosphere or a connection between team and fans, Nothing, in essence, that would entice you to ever go and watch this team again except for blind loyalty/force of habit.

Our two most recent relegations gave us the chance to regroup, rebuild and come back very strongly but the current nothingness feels almost more dispiriting than relegation because while we're not quite awful enough to go down, we look destined to simply muddle along like this indefinitely, irrespective of whether we change manager yet again.

A nothing team going nowhere. That's the sum of it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yup.

I feel little affinity to the club anymore, as do quite a few others on here.

I’ve not renewed for next season and tbh, I probably won’t. Will be the first time in 20 odd years. I just don’t really care anymore, apathy has completely set in.

[A Hi-Bee]

Prior to today's entirely predictable and pathetic defeat to a bottom-of-the league team which hadn't won in their last 10 (with an entirely predictable and pathetic defeat in next weekend's derby to come), I was going to say this reminds me of the Williamson, Calderwood and Fenlon spells in charge where we offered little more than mid/lower table mediocrity for months on end. However, at least under Bobby and Pat we had some cup runs, with a smattering of very promising youngsters coming to the fore under the former.

This, though, feels like a whole new level of nothingness. Nothing in terms of players to get excited by or youngsters coming through the ranks, nothing in terms of a manager you think can turn things around, nothing in terms of a discernible long-term strategy for the club and nothing in terms of atmosphere or a connection between team and fans, Nothing, in essence, that would entice you to ever go and watch this team again except for blind loyalty/force of habit.

Our two most recent relegations gave us the chance to regroup, rebuild and come back very strongly but the current nothingness feels almost more dispiriting than relegation because while we're not quite awful enough to go down, we look destined to simply muddle along like this indefinitely, irrespective of whether we change manager yet again.

A nothing team going nowhere. That's the sum of it.

With a Mr Nowhere Man as a manager, who wants to fill the team with loan players to what end are we looking like winning cups with them or do they just stifle the young players we do have.

[WillowbraeHibby]

Prior to today's entirely predictable and pathetic defeat to a bottom-of-the league team which hadn't won in their last 10 (with an entirely predictable and pathetic defeat in next weekend's derby to come), I was going to say this reminds me of the Williamson, Calderwood and Fenlon spells in charge where we offered little more than mid/lower table mediocrity for months on end. However, at least under Bobby and Pat we had some cup runs, with a smattering of very promising youngsters coming to the fore under the former.

This, though, feels like a whole new level of nothingness. Nothing in terms of players to get excited by or youngsters coming through the ranks, nothing in terms of a manager you think can turn things around, nothing in terms of a discernible long-term strategy for the club and nothing in terms of atmosphere or a connection between team and fans, Nothing, in essence, that would entice you to ever go and watch this team again except for blind loyalty/force of habit.

Our two most recent relegations gave us the chance to regroup, rebuild and come back very strongly but the current nothingness feels almost more dispiriting than relegation because while we're not quite awful enough to go down, we look destined to simply muddle along like this indefinitely, irrespective of whether we change manager yet again.

A nothing team going nowhere. That's the sum of it.


It's sad to say, you're not far wrong here....

[A Hi-Bee]

Don’t think he wants to fill the team with loan players, just sees a need for using them. If we could afford good players, and afford to keep them, we wouldn’t have a need for loans.
This won’t change for years to come unfortunately.

Bring in 2 or 3 really promising ones no problem, but way he has been speaking it is a cheaper way of getting players in rather than having to buy them.
Not renewing my season ticket. just so much more needs for my limited cash.

[Real Emerald]

There was very little chance of real game changing investment before the very sad passing of Ron Gordon but feel there is absolutely no chance whatsoever of getting meaningful investment now regardless of the continuing support from the family. It’s hard to see where we go from here TBH.

[He's here!]

Bring in 2 or 3 really promising ones no problem, but way he has been speaking it is a cheaper way of getting players in rather than having to buy them.
Not renewing my season ticket. just so much more needs for my limited cash.

We're surely going to see season tickets sales fall off a cliff for next season. For the last couple of seasons fans have dug deep and given the club the benefit of the doubt, but that patience has surely been exhausted now. You can't just continue to serve up such dross and expect fans to keep rallying round.

[lyonhibs]

There are some decent prospects in the young team squad I believe. Whether LJ has the stones to give them a try over the mob of underperforming wretches that take to the field week in week out is a different matter.

But certainly supporting Hibs is heading towards being a right chore these days.

[Alfred E Newman]

We're surely going to see season tickets sales fall off a cliff for next season. For the last couple of seasons fans have dug deep and given the club the benefit of the doubt, but that patience has surely been exhausted now. You can't just continue to serve up such dross and expect fans to keep rallying round.
I would expect the vast majority will be renewing but our loyalty is being tested to the limit.

[He's here!]

There are some decent prospects in the young team squad I believe. Whether LJ has the stones to give them a try over the mob of underperforming wretches that take to the field week in week out is a different matter.

But certainly supporting Hibs is heading towards being a right chore these days.

Once our bottom six place is confirmed he should certainly use the remaining, meaningless games to try out a few young players (assuming he's not been sacked).

[Pretty Boy]

The league is just gash.

People will argue it's easy to think like that when your own team is struggling and in the past there was arguably some truth in that. Certainly when Motherwell where finishing 2nd and 3rd I doubt they were as down on Scottish football as we were when losing cup finals 5-1 and getting relegated.

However I don't know many Hearts or Aberdeen fans enjoying the league at the moment and certainly in the case of the latter I know a few. So many games are just dull. Stuffy teams low on quality cancelling each other out, time wasting, defending deep and with few players who get fans out their seat and are enjoyable to watch.

The relative struggles of Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen sum it up. If we could all get our act together we would all be capable of taking points from the OF and whilst not getting close to catching them at least dragging them back towards the lack a bit. As it is it's far more likely the 3 of us will be ***** at any given time.

Following Hibs and the Scottish Premiership in general is a total slog right now. It's amazing the crowds are holding up as well as they are.

[Alfred E Newman]

There are some decent prospects in the young team squad I believe. Whether LJ has the stones to give them a try over the mob of underperforming wretches that take to the field week in week out is a different matter.

But certainly supporting Hibs is heading towards being a right chore these days.
Reports would suggest that despite what he says he has little or no interest in the youth team. A mass exodus of the current squad is on the cards.

[Hibees1973]

Johnson started off disasterously and it's ending the same.

In between I can only remember a handful of decent performances. From the 12 games Hibs won in the league, I think 8 or 9 of them were against 10 men at some point.

There is no way to defend his record and Johnson has done nothing to merit staying at the club.

However, our main problems are bigger than Johnson. I have zero confidence in Kensall and much as the Gordon's have indicated they want to continue ownership of the club there are always going to be doubts.

Hibs were Ron's baby. The playing side continually failed under him, but there is little doubt Ron invested a fair bit of his time and money into Hibs. I just cannot see any reason why his family would want to maintain this in the long term.

[Irish_Steve]

I hear you, I renewed but I really don’t know why and can’t blame anyone that doesn’t renew.
It isn’t knee jerk, it’s a continuous decline.

Like you, I’ve renewed but really don’t know why either.

Without wanting to get into a discussion about the league format, it’s just hopeless at the minute.

It seems to be that the team who is less crap than the others finishes third.

And I’m usually a glass half full type of person!

[Donegal Hibby]

Midfield is a big problem imo and what's a even bigger problem is players on lengthy contracts that we are stuck with ☹️

[He's here!]

The league is just gash.

People will argue it's easy to think like that when your own team is struggling and in the past there was arguably some truth in that. Certainly when Motherwell where finishing 2nd and 3rd I doubt they were as down on Scottish football as we were when losing cup finals 5-1 and getting relegated.

However I don't know many Hearts or Aberdeen fans enjoying the league at the moment and certainly in the case of the latter I know a few. So many games are just dull. Stuffy teams low on quality cancelling each other out, time wasting, defending deep and with few players who get fans out their seat and are enjoyable to watch.

The relative struggles of Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen sum it up. If we could all get our act together we would all be capable of taking points from the OF and whilst not getting close to catching them at least dragging them back towards the lack a bit. As it is it's far more likely the 3 of us will be ***** at any given time.

Following Hibs and the Scottish Premiership in general is a total slog right now. It's amazing the crowds are holding up as well as they are.

I allowed myself to get excited when we beat Aberdeen 6-0 and thought maybe LJ had hit on the magic formula. There were one or two on here who felt Aberdeen's awfulness was the bigger contributor to the result than anything Hibs produced, which at the time I felt was a unnecessarily pessimistic take, but it's become clear they were right.

[Mcbizz1998]

I agree but despite how utterly **** we have been we are still not far off 3rd. We won’t get it but what it does say is if we could appoint a decent manager who could identify some better players we could get 3rd quite easily.

I still can’t help but think we should just go back and ask Lenny, it would be fun at least.

[Leith Green]

Big Hibs turnout today , massively let down once more..

[JohnM1875]

Big Hibs turnout today , massively let down once more..

It's the away fans I feel most sorry for. All season we've taken amazing numbers. Let down more often than not

[Gatecrasher]

Agree just nothing, Hibs scoring today came as the biggest shock of the day. LJ needs to go I have no confidence in him what so ever to get results when we need them. Today should have been a slam dunk, I know hibs as a team are liable to this sort of result and I'm happy to accept that from time to time but it's just too often right now, we're playing hearts just in time for them to end their poor form as well. :rolleyes:

[Leith Green]

It's the away fans I feel most sorry for. All season we've taken amazing numbers. Let down more often than not

Must have been about 2k there today i thought .. Sunday 12 noon kick off , easter as well .. That bunch of imposters don’t deserve the support we give them

[The Modfather]

What’s the point in signing Devlin? We had some initial success with a midfield of Jeggo, Egan-Reilly & Campbell. We now seem determined to try and shoehorn Egan-Reilly into defence rather than midfield. Seemingly so we don’t have to actually play Devlin when someone like Hanlon is out.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Yup.

I feel little affinity to the club anymore, as do quite a few others on here.

I’ve not renewed for next season and tbh, I probably won’t. Will be the first time in 20 odd years. I just don’t really care anymore, apathy has completely set in.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to have any sort of connection to this team, get the young lads in and get most of the loan players out the door.

[LewysGot2]

Must have been about 2k there today i thought .. Sunday 12 noon kick off , easter as well .. That bunch of imposters don’t deserve the support we give them

1600 announced at the game

[snedzuk]

The league is just gash.

People will argue it's easy to think like that when your own team is struggling and in the past there was arguably some truth in that. Certainly when Motherwell where finishing 2nd and 3rd I doubt they were as down on Scottish football as we were when losing cup finals 5-1 and getting relegated.

However I don't know many Hearts or Aberdeen fans enjoying the league at the moment and certainly in the case of the latter I know a few. So many games are just dull. Stuffy teams low on quality cancelling each other out, time wasting, defending deep and with few players who get fans out their seat and are enjoyable to watch.

The relative struggles of Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen sum it up. If we could all get our act together we would all be capable of taking points from the OF and whilst not getting close to catching them at least dragging them back towards the lack a bit. As it is it's far more likely the 3 of us will be ***** at any given time.

Following Hibs and the Scottish Premiership in general is a total slog right now. It's amazing the crowds are holding up as well as they are.

I hear you, but when Behich gets that ball you expect him to do something with it. Crosses into Fletcher you think he might score. Van Veen has a free kick there is anticipation. These guys can genuinely get you out of your seat. Apart from about 3 good showings from Youan a couple of months ago we have no one like that. Chris Cadden putting on a show!!!

[He's here!]

1600 announced at the game

Last time many of them will bother travelling this season. You have to question how much players care about the fans' backing.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Time to give Scott Brown a bell 👌😏

[Paulie Walnuts]

Chris Cadden putting on a show!!!

Laugh at that song every week :faf:

The idea of Cadden ‘putting on a show’ is hilarious.

[snedzuk]

Laugh at that song every week :faf:

The idea of Cadden ‘putting on a show’ is hilarious.

The Sooty Show maybe.

[He's here!]

I hear you, but when Behich gets that ball you expect him to do something with it. Crosses into Fletcher you think he might score. Van Veen has a free kick there is anticipation. These guys can genuinely get you out of your seat. Apart from about 3 good showings from Youan a couple of months ago we have no one like that. Chris Cadden putting on a show!!!

Agreed. With the exception of the injured Boyle we're an exceptionally bland bunch.

[The Harp Awakes]

Johnson started off disasterously and it's ending the same.

In between I can only remember a handful of decent performances. From the 12 games Hibs won in the league, I think 8 or 9 of them were against 10 men at some point.

There is no way to defend his record and Johnson has done nothing to merit staying at the club.

However, our main problems are bigger than Johnson. I have zero confidence in Kensall and much as the Gordon's have indicated they want to continue ownership of the club there are always going to be doubts.

Hibs were Ron's baby. The playing side continually failed under him, but there is little doubt Ron invested a fair bit of his time and money into Hibs. I just cannot see any reason why his family would want to maintain this in the long term.

100% of what you have written is spot on.

I've no idea where the club go from here. Johnson only remains in the job, as everyone accepts there is far more wrong at the club than just him. Ron's passing hasn't helped things as we seem to be in a vacuum now. There is a total lack of leadership on and off the pitch.

[A Hi-Bee]

Midfield is a big problem imo and what's a even bigger problem is players on lengthy contracts that we are stuck with ☹️

The whole team is a problem, the club is a problem, our challenges are bigger than mediocre players we need massive real investment to move forward, investment that could only come from a wealthy group or some Arab source perhaps.
Something has not been right at my team for some time now, the pity is I dont see any quick fix.

[scm70nyd1973]

With a Mr Nowhere Man as a manager, who wants to fill the team with loan players to what end are we looking like winning cups with them or do they just stifle the young players we do have.

Nowhere Man - Brilliant -I will use this to describe LJ from now on - problem is he’s surrounded by many other nowhere men and women ☹️

[Just_Jimmy]

The league is just gash.

People will argue it's easy to think like that when your own team is struggling and in the past there was arguably some truth in that. Certainly when Motherwell where finishing 2nd and 3rd I doubt they were as down on Scottish football as we were when losing cup finals 5-1 and getting relegated.

However I don't know many Hearts or Aberdeen fans enjoying the league at the moment and certainly in the case of the latter I know a few. So many games are just dull. Stuffy teams low on quality cancelling each other out, time wasting, defending deep and with few players who get fans out their seat and are enjoyable to watch.

The relative struggles of Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen sum it up. If we could all get our act together we would all be capable of taking points from the OF and whilst not getting close to catching them at least dragging them back towards the lack a bit. As it is it's far more likely the 3 of us will be ***** at any given time.

Following Hibs and the Scottish Premiership in general is a total slog right now. It's amazing the crowds are holding up as well as they are.I've been banging this drum for so long. Further more, it's bent and its set up to ensure two clubs benefit only.

I'm fed up with it. I care about Hibs and likely always will, but I'm very very close to being lost to the game for good.

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[Trinity Hibee]

I've been banging this drum for so long. Further more, it's bent and its set up to ensure two clubs benefit only.

I'm fed up with it. I care about Hibs and likely always will, but I'm very very close to being lost to the game for good.

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Exactly where I am. The game of football generally is becoming less attractive to watch. VAR is ruining being at the games for me along with general play acting from all teams nowadays.

[Scotty Leither]

What’s the point in signing Devlin? We had some initial success with a midfield of Jeggo, Egan-Reilly & Campbell. We now seem determined to try and shoehorn Egan-Reilly into defence rather than midfield. Seemingly so we don’t have to actually play Devlin when someone like Hanlon is out.

Devlin as it stands is an utterly baffling signing. Every time the ball was played by a Utd midfielder who had time on the ball to pick a pass, they lofted it to Fletcher who went straight onto Egan Riley.

Why could the manager not see that and change it up at half time, bringing Devlin on, instead of leaving two “naive” CHs on against a very experienced player?

Answers on a postcard to Lee Johnson, Easter Road stadium.

[Lago]

Arab investment is nothing short of a pipe dream. Never happen no glamour in Scottish football.

[BSEJVT]

I've been banging this drum for so long. Further more, it's bent and its set up to ensure two clubs benefit only.

I'm fed up with it. I care about Hibs and likely always will, but I'm very very close to being lost to the game for good.

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After having a season ticket for 30 years up to the post COVID season and going once that year I didn’t renew this year.

I probably haven’t seen 1 full game cumulatively the season on tv.

I watched the last 30 minutes today and it’s definitely for the best that I haven’t been going/watching as I couldn’t believe how poor we have become in the past 3 seasons.

There are some awful players wearing a Hibs shirt now that would never have got near recent Hibs teams, guys who can’t do the basic things like control or run with the ball or pass it, with some of the latter being absolutely pathetic.

They look like they can’t be arsed with no one in midfield showing for the ball.

It’s a long long way back from where we are now and it won’t be with that clown Johnson in charge

[Jones28]

Hibs are still Hibs to me.

[Scotty Leither]

After having a season ticket for 30 years up to the post COVID season and going once that year I didn’t renew this year.

I probably haven’t seen 1 full game cumulatively the season on tv.

I watched the last 30 minutes today and it’s definitely for the best that I haven’t been going/watching as I couldn’t believe how poor we have become in the past 3 seasons.

There are some awful players wearing a Hibs shirt now that would never have got near recent Hibs teams, guys who can’t do the basic things like control or run with the ball or pass it, with some of the latter being absolutely pathetic.

They look like they can’t be arsed with no one in midfield showing for the ball.

It’s a long long way back from where we are now and it won’t be with that clown Johnson in charge

I’ll renew again next year out of habit, but I’ll not be renewing my hospitality brief as I think that’s all Kensell and co are worried about and motivated by.

It’s also time for some harsh words at Easter Road and the Board being made to answer some uncomfortable questions principally around recruitment and what the “model” is, or whatever bull**** label they’re giving player transfers these days.

There’s a collective sticking of fingers in ears at Easter Road right now, and it’s pathetic to witness it.

[matty_f]

This team is almost completely devoid of character, short of Stevenson who's at the wrong end of his career, there's nobody in that side with any fight about them.

Who couldn't see today's result and performance coming? It's pathetic and everyone at the club needs a boot up the arse and a proper look at themselves as this is nowhere near acceptable

[Hibernia&Alba]

If I was more ruthless, I would have put big money on United and cashed in on how bad we are. I couldn't do it. I always fear the worst when Hibs play a side that hasn't won in ages. We should be a registered charity for struggling teams.

Seriously, I'm just happy that we aren't in danger of a relegation scrap, which did look likely at the turn of the year. This team is bad enough to be fighting for survival, so I'm grateful we have been spared that. We need a serious improvement in quality for next season.

[He's here!]

If I was more ruthless, I would have put big money on United and cashed in on how bad we are. I couldn't do it. I always fear the worst when Hibs play a side that hasn't won in ages. We should be a registered charity for struggling teams.

Seriously, I'm just happy that we aren't in danger of a relegation scrap, which did look likely at the turn of the year. This team is bad enough to be fighting for survival, so I'm grateful we have been spared that. We need a serious improvement in quality for next season.

The chances of seeing a serious improvement in quality seem slim in the extreme based on how the club has been run in recent years. A struggle to stay up seems very much on the cards and right now I wouldn't back us to win that struggle.

[Trinity Hibee]

The chances of seeing a serious improvement in quality seem slim in the extreme based on how the club has been run in recent years. A struggle to stay up seems very much on the cards and right now I wouldn't back us to win that struggle.

It’s been 4 or 5 windows now of poor recruitment. Need a complete overhaul. Too many players here now have seen too many managers sacked due to their lack of quality. Get rid of 95% of the squad in the summer and start again.

[DIXIHIBS]

This team is almost completely devoid of character, short of Stevenson who's at the wrong end of his career, there's nobody in that side with any fight about them.

Who couldn't see today's result and performance coming? It's pathetic and everyone at the club needs a boot up the arse and a proper look at themselves as this is nowhere near acceptable

Thats what i thought yesterday. My first away game for a while and the majority of fans just knew what was coming. Lack of character....compare Nisbet, falling about, weak, moaning etc to Fletcher who was tremendous, won nearly every ball, bullied defenders, linked play, scored, won a penalty...night and day between the 2 of them sadly.

[He's here!]

It’s been 4 or 5 windows now of poor recruitment. Need a complete overhaul. Too many players here now have seen too many managers sacked due to their lack of quality. Get rid of 95% of the squad in the summer and start again.

Would you trust the current ownership/management to improve the squad, even with such a radical overhaul? I don't think they know how to improve things.

[Jones28]

Would you trust the current ownership/management to improve the squad, even with such a radical overhaul? I don't think they know how to improve things.

The current regime is making the changes we all want to see by bringing in a DOF.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The current regime is making the changes we all want to see by bringing in a DOF.

Are they really though?

I’ll not hold my breath for that actually happening. Must be about 3 months since we claimed we were going to.

[Trinity Hibee]

Would you trust the current ownership/management to improve the squad, even with such a radical overhaul? I don't think they know how to improve things.

Not sure I would but that’s not going to change imminently so we have no choice on that front

[B.H.F.C]

What’s the point in signing Devlin? We had some initial success with a midfield of Jeggo, Egan-Reilly & Campbell. We now seem determined to try and shoehorn Egan-Reilly into defence rather than midfield. Seemingly so we don’t have to actually play Devlin when someone like Hanlon is out.

We were talking about this yesterday.

Said before the game yesterday that Fletcher would school the two centre halves. Won the first ball played forward after about 30 seconds then every ball thereafter. CJ had an absolute disaster of a game but I think that is on the manager. If we don’t play Devlin on those circumstances, there is no point in having him here. It’s also another example of our recruitment. Playing two young loan players at centre half when we were only actually missing one centre half. The squad and the way it has been put together is an absolute joke.

[Pretty Boy]

Are they really though?

I’ll not hold my breath for that actually happening. Must be about 3 months since we claimed we were going to.

November it was first mentioned. 5 months ago.

Then we had Johnson last week saying the January window was such a roaring success that the DoF will come in to compliment what we are already doing.

[7Hero]

Prior to today's entirely predictable and pathetic defeat to a bottom-of-the league team which hadn't won in their last 10 (with an entirely predictable and pathetic defeat in next weekend's derby to come), I was going to say this reminds me of the Williamson, Calderwood and Fenlon spells in charge where we offered little more than mid/lower table mediocrity for months on end. However, at least under Bobby and Pat we had some cup runs, with a smattering of very promising youngsters coming to the fore under the former.

This, though, feels like a whole new level of nothingness. Nothing in terms of players to get excited by or youngsters coming through the ranks, nothing in terms of a manager you think can turn things around, nothing in terms of a discernible long-term strategy for the club and nothing in terms of atmosphere or a connection between team and fans, Nothing, in essence, that would entice you to ever go and watch this team again except for blind loyalty/force of habit.

Our two most recent relegations gave us the chance to regroup, rebuild and come back very strongly but the current nothingness feels almost more dispiriting than relegation because while we're not quite awful enough to go down, we look destined to simply muddle along like this indefinitely, irrespective of whether we change manager yet again.

A nothing team going nowhere. That's the sum of it.

totally correct mate. the last line could easily read "a club going nowhere"..

totally inept from top to bottom, the question is who sacks who ?

[Heisenberg]

November it was first mentioned. 5 months ago.

Then we had Johnson last week saying the January window was such a roaring success that the DoF will come in to compliment what we are already doing.

LJ will most definitely be threatened by the DOF appointment hence his chat during the week about January. End of April has been mentioned as a date for an appointment, let’s see if that happens.

[JimBHibees]

We're surely going to see season tickets sales fall off a cliff for next season. For the last couple of seasons fans have dug deep and given the club the benefit of the doubt, but that patience has surely been exhausted now. You can't just continue to serve up such dross and expect fans to keep rallying round.

Sounds like you want that to happen. Were you not predicting relegation a few weeks back.

[Jones28]

November it was first mentioned. 5 months ago.

Then we had Johnson last week saying the January window was such a roaring success that the DoF will come in to compliment what we are already doing.

Then the chairman died. Probably explains a bit of the delay.

[LewysGot2]

We're surely going to see season tickets sales fall off a cliff for next season. For the last couple of seasons fans have dug deep and given the club the benefit of the doubt, but that patience has surely been exhausted now. You can't just continue to serve up such dross and expect fans to keep rallying round.

Ticket Office suggesting that's not the case. Early sales have been good.

[Smartie]

Ticket Office suggesting that's not the case. Early sales have been good.

To be fair, our form was quite good when they went on sale so there were reasons for optimism.

As that form has evaporated, it becomes harder to see what might convince more folk to renew.

[Paulie Walnuts]

To be fair, our form was quite good when they went on sale so there were reasons for optimism.

As that form has evaporated, it becomes harder to see what might convince more folk to renew.

Agree. As it stands I’m not renewing. I’ve probably never enjoyed a period of watching Hibs less than I have the last 4 years and I’ve had a season ticket for 20 odd years. I’ve seen plenty crap but I’ve never felt as disengaged.

Other than blind loyalty I can’t think of one reason to renew.

[He's here!]

Ticket Office suggesting that's not the case. Early sales have been good.

Hats off to those who are prepared to keep putting money into the club but I'll be surprised if sales hold up based on the current slide towards the bottom six.

[DIXIHIBS]

Agree. As it stands I’m not renewing. I’ve probably never enjoyed a period of watching Hibs less than I have the last 4 years and I’ve had a season ticket for 20 odd years. I’ve seen plenty crap but I’ve never felt as disengaged.

Other than blind loyalty I can’t think of one reason to renew.

I think blind loyalty is why most fans renew. Occasionally its optimism for the new season but more often than not its just what fans do out of habit.

[He's here!]

Agree. As it stands I’m not renewing. I’ve probably never enjoyed a period of watching Hibs less than I have the last 4 years and I’ve had a season ticket for 20 odd years. I’ve seen plenty crap but I’ve never felt as disengaged.

Other than blind loyalty I can’t think of one reason to renew.

I think that sums it up for many. As you say, there's been a disproportionate amount of crap down the years but you always felt a decent manager and a couple of good signings could start to turn things around. This feels different, like there's something so 'off' with the club as a whole that it's hard to see anything to pin our hopes on.

[Pretty Boy]

I think blind loyalty is why most fans renew. Occasionally its optimism for the new season but more often than not its just what fans do out of habit.

It's one of the only reasons I renewed. I have never enjoyed watching Hibs less than the last 2 or 3 years. I know there have been worse periods but in terms of my own personal feelings I'm almost at the point where I can't stand watching us at the moment. I really struggle to see how we fix this. There is so much wrong with the squad that it's easier to list the positions where we don't need a major rebuild, it's as follows:

When it came to renewing it was loyalty, the (likely ridiculous) worry that we might actually be good next year and I'll miss it and because I couldn't be arsed with the 'your part of the problem for not giving Hibs your money without question' stuff I'd get from mates.

Hibs have my money now but I can't guarantee they will get my attendance week in, week out anymore. Tbh I don't think that will bother them one bit. the former is what matters to the club.

[WestStandWillie]

The fitbaw is just stinking.

With the exception of a couple of players, this squad is a disgrace. Half hearted performances and yesterday's defeat wasn't unexpected.

I've renewed but feel like a mug chucking away money on this lot.

We MUST win next weekend because I don't fancy our chances going up to Perth to secure a top 6 place. We end up bottom 6, the crowds won't go above 7K for the remaining matches (the club however will probably count STs in the attendance numbers as they did last season) and it'll be another flat end to the season. Might get to see some youth players or something.

[He's here!]

It's one of the only reasons I renewed. I have never enjoyed watching Hibs less than the last 2 or 3 years. I know there have been worse periods but in terms of my own personal feelings I'm almost at the point where I can't stand watching us at the moment. I really struggle to see how we fix this. There is so much wrong with the squad that it's easier to list the positions where we don't need a major rebuild, it's as follows:

When it came to renewing it was loyalty, the (likely ridiculous) worry that we might actually be good next year and I'll miss it and because I couldn't be arsed with the 'your part of the problem for not giving Hibs your money without question' stuff I'd get from mates.

Hibs have my money now but I can't guarantee they will get my attendance week in, week out anymore. Tbh I don't think that will bother them one bit. the former is what matters to the club.

Couldn't agree more.

Not so many years ago I would often factor in a trip to ER when we had friends/family visiting us or if, say, a new work colleague from down south turned out to be a football fan I'd make sure I got them along to watch Hibs before they had a chance to adopt the yams as their Scottish team. These days I wouldn't even consider taking anyone along as I'd likely feel embarrassed by what I'd subjected them to. As you say, it's hard enough to motivate yourself to watch Hibs let alone drum up enthusiasm among others.

How are folk with young kids finding things in terms of keeping them interested? My kids pretty much lost interest in football quite some time ago. Think the last time I took one of them was the day we won the Championship, or perhaps a game in the season we first came back up, but a couple of them drifted away to play other sports/take up other interests rather than because they didn't enjoy going to see Hibs - and they'll still look out for the scores. Only one of them just never got into it at all. However, had I started taking them along in the current era I honestly can't imagine any of them sticking with it.

[Lancs Harp]

The fitbaw is just stinking.

With the exception of a couple of players, this squad is a disgrace. Half hearted performances and yesterday's defeat wasn't unexpected.

I've renewed but feel like a mug chucking away money on this lot.

We MUST win next weekend because I don't fancy our chances going up to Perth to secure a top 6 place. We end up bottom 6, the crowds won't go above 7K for the remaining matches (the club however will probably count STs in the attendance numbers as they did last season) and it'll be another flat end to the season. Might get to see some youth players or something.

Every Club counts tickets sold as oppose to actual attendees these days its been that for numerous seasons.

[Pretty Boy]

Couldn't agree more.

Not so many years ago I would often factor in a trip to ER when we had friends/family visiting us or if, say, a new work colleague from down south turned out to be a football fan I'd make sure I got them along to watch Hibs before they had a chance to adopt the yams as their Scottish team. These days I wouldn't even consider taking anyone along as I'd likely feel embarrassed by what I'd subjected them to. As you say, it's hard enough to motivate yourself to watch Hibs let alone drum up enthusiasm among others.

How are folk with young kids finding things in terms of keeping them interested? My kids pretty much lost interest in football quite some time ago. Think the last time I took one of them was the day we won the Championship, or perhaps a game in the season we first came back up, but a couple of them drifted away to play other sports/take up other interests rather than because they didn't enjoy going to see Hibs - and they'll still look out for the scores. Only one of them just never got into it at all. However, had I started taking them along in the current era I honestly can't imagine any of them sticking with it.

My daughter is 5 so she's still a bit young for giving it her full concentration. She enjoys the day out still because if we go to the pub pre match she gets a coke and crisps and she likes the sweets and chips at the game too. She doesn't get a lot of junk food so I think she just plays the game knowing daddy will bribe her. How long that will last I don't know. She's much more enthused when I take her to the women's games but I suppose that is understandable really.

I think back to the season we won the cup and the one before that. I didn't miss a single game for those 2 seasons and only missed 1 the first year we were down. The year we got relegated I was at every game and took a sickie from work to go up to Ross County to watch us lose 1-0 in the penultimate game of the league season. That kind of thing probably plays a part in 'cumulative fatigue' but I have only made 2 away games this season and have missed 3 or 4 home games as well. I don't actively choose to miss games as such but if something else comes up now then Hibs are no longer the overriding consideration.

I'm in a WhatsApp group with 7 other guys, 4 of whom have kids. Only myself and 1 other have renewed so far and none of the other 5 have any intention to do so. As bad as it sounds yesterday afternoon was just spent laughing at Hibs rather than being angry. Most of them just seem beyond it now and gallows humour seems appropriate.

[Tyler Durden]

Then the chairman died. Probably explains a bit of the delay.

It’s really not an excuse or a justifiable reason for this delay. It’s a recruitment process, nothing more.

It’s very difficult to give Kensell the benefit of the doubt on anything now.

[Jones28]

It’s really not an excuse or a justifiable reason for this delay. It’s a recruitment process, nothing more.

It’s very difficult to give Kensell the benefit of the doubt on anything now.

A process RG would probably have been involved in in some capacity.

[Smartie]

It's one of the only reasons I renewed. I have never enjoyed watching Hibs less than the last 2 or 3 years. I know there have been worse periods but in terms of my own personal feelings I'm almost at the point where I can't stand watching us at the moment. I really struggle to see how we fix this. There is so much wrong with the squad that it's easier to list the positions where we don't need a major rebuild, it's as follows:

When it came to renewing it was loyalty, the (likely ridiculous) worry that we might actually be good next year and I'll miss it and because I couldn't be arsed with the 'your part of the problem for not giving Hibs your money without question' stuff I'd get from mates.

Hibs have my money now but I can't guarantee they will get my attendance week in, week out anymore. Tbh I don't think that will bother them one bit. the former is what matters to the club.

Your last paragraph is the most disconcerting but it does sum it up quite nicely. There is a suggestion of "them" and "us" there.

Previously it felt like there was a spiritual connection to the club. Now we just feel like a bland big company and we're the customers who need rinsed for cash. Now that has probably been the reality since football turned professional but it was important for clubs not to make it feel that way.

Now we just feel like we're cash cows and that would be all and well if it felt like those in charge were spending the money as if it were their own but they're not. There's a disconnect, a worrying disconnect, and it's hard to see how it heals.

Ron's death has left us in a tricky situation where common decency dictates that criticism should be tempered, also that it is hard to know where exactly to direct any ire right now. But it doesn't leave us as a club in a great position when it comes to mending any sort of rift that might exist.

[flash]

It's pretty bad right now but jeez there's some reinventing of years gone by taking place on this thread.
We have been much worse, and played far worse football, in numerous seasons I can remember in my near 50 years of suffering Hibs.
Also, whilst eternally grateful to STF, to suggest we weren't taken for granted and ignored by Petrie and Co is beyond parody too.

[Smartie]

It's pretty bad right now but jeez there's some reinventing of years gone by taking place on this thread.
We have been much worse, and played far worse football, in numerous seasons I can remember in my near 50 years of suffering Hibs.
Also, whilst eternally grateful to STF, to suggest we weren't taken for granted and ignored by Petrie and Co is beyond parody too.

I think that's part of the problem though.

We've played some truly grim stuff in the past but still felt a bit more connected than we do right now. Or maybe optimistic that it might get better?

There's an unhappiness that probably not proportional to the reality of the situation.

Maybe it's because it's been a fairly steep decline from a period that saw us win the cup, play in Europe, have a good first season back up then have some decent league and cup performances in quick succession after that? Last season and this have been pretty abject, given 2 summers ago (after finishing third) we were in a relatively decent place that shouldn't have taken a great deal to kick on from?

[Pagan Hibernia]

It's one of the only reasons I renewed. I have never enjoyed watching Hibs less than the last 2 or 3 years. I know there have been worse periods but in terms of my own personal feelings I'm almost at the point where I can't stand watching us at the moment. I really struggle to see how we fix this. There is so much wrong with the squad that it's easier to list the positions where we don't need a major rebuild, it's as follows:

When it came to renewing it was loyalty, the (likely ridiculous) worry that we might actually be good next year and I'll miss it and because I couldn't be arsed with the 'your part of the problem for not giving Hibs your money without question' stuff I'd get from mates.

Hibs have my money now but I can't guarantee they will get my attendance week in, week out anymore. Tbh I don't think that will bother them one bit. the former is what matters to the club.

I honestly think the Covid season of watching Hibs on tv, in silent empty stadiums, did a lot of damage. We did well that season, finished 3rd, went far in the cups (without of course actually winning them :confused:) and yet this place was full of people saying they just couldn’t muster the interest, it didn’t feel like Hibs etc. I think for a lot of people the love of going to the game has never really returned. The team are crap, the results are crap, the entertainment is crap, the food is crap, the whole atmosphere in the stands and round the club is crap, and the whole thing just feels like a chore. We had people saying they couldn’t be bothered going to the cup final against Celtic last season ffs, this was after we’d walloped Rangers in the semi. others couldn’t be arsed with a semi final against hearts at hampden.

it’s a real shame because 21/05/16 remains fresh in the memory and that should have galvanised our club for a generation. That day in the sunshine at hampden felt like a vindication, that after the rubbish we’d seen previously Hibs would be ok. It’s only 7 years ago and the two seasons after that when we were doing well, winning derbies, getting results against the old firm, it was a special time.

terrible managerial appointments and recruitment have knocked the stuffing out of our club.

im at a loss as to how to bring the feel good factor back. Winning a derby next week would be a start.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Hertz will come out fighting on Saturday with a point to prove. Realistically, who have we got to match their aggression and desire? Then who have we got to drive us forward?

We're bland. Devoid of anything remotely exciting. Said last week vs well, it felt like the players don't have any chemistry and felt similar yesterday. No character, personality or connection between players and club towards fans. Just toddling along where they feel we should be

****ing act. We laugh at the sheep and jambos for their arrogance, but it's their high standards that have them maintaining a significantly higher average league positioning over my 30 odd years following Hibs

[Pagan Hibernia]

Hertz will come out fighting on Saturday with a point to prove. Realistically, who have we got to match their aggression and desire? Then who have we got to drive us forward?

We're bland. Devoid of anything remotely exciting. Said last week vs well, it felt like the players don't have any chemistry and felt similar yesterday. No character, personality or connection between players and club towards fans. Just toddling along where they feel we should be

****ing act. We laugh at the sheep and jambos for their arrogance, but it's their high standards that have them maintaining a significantly higher average league positioning over my 30 odd years following Hibs

hearts high standards? please

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

hearts high standards? please

They expect third every year (when not relegated). They expect a Derby win and have a better record than us at our own ground. If RN lost 2 derbys in a row 3-0 hed have gone minutes after the 2nd one. As a club, they demand more than we ever do from incoming players and managers imo

[DH1875]

I said after the Motherwell game that if that kept up it might see me finished. It wasn't just the result or the performance. There was nothing there and it was just plain boring and felt like a total waste of a day and money. Hopefully next weekend I will have my mojo back and its just another wee bump on the bumpy road that is following Hibs lol.

[He's here!]

I honestly think the Covid season of watching Hibs on tv, in silent empty stadiums, did a lot of damage. We did well that season, finished 3rd, went far in the cups (without of course actually winning them :confused:) and yet this place was full of people saying they just couldn’t muster the interest, it didn’t feel like Hibs etc. I think for a lot of people the love of going to the game has never really returned. The team are crap, the results are crap, the entertainment is crap, the food is crap, the whole atmosphere in the stands and round the club is crap, and the whole thing just feels like a chore. We had people saying they couldn’t be bothered going to the cup final against Celtic last season ffs, this was after we’d walloped Rangers in the semi. others couldn’t be arsed with a semi final against hearts at hampden.

it’s a real shame because 21/05/16 remains fresh in the memory and that should have galvanised our club for a generation. That day in the sunshine at hampden felt like a vindication, that after the rubbish we’d seen previously Hibs would be ok. It’s only 7 years ago and the two seasons after that when we were doing well, winning derbies, getting results against the old firm, it was a special time.

terrible managerial appointments and recruitment have knocked the stuffing out of our club.

im at a loss as to how to bring the feel good factor back. Winning a derby next week would be a start.

Indeed. I just don't think blind loyalty any longer outweighs the absurdity of spending money on what is, more often than not, a wasted afternoon. Personally, I've stepped back from football massively compared to when I was younger and Hibs are really the only thing which ties me to the sport. I thought that was the one part of the game I could never let go, but I'm definitely feeling a sense of drift and the less I attend I can see that it wouldn't take too big a leap to simply not bother going at all.

[Stuarty1875]

Good post from OP.

Sums up my thoughts too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's pretty bad right now but jeez there's some reinventing of years gone by taking place on this thread.
We have been much worse, and played far worse football, in numerous seasons I can remember in my near 50 years of suffering Hibs.
Also, whilst eternally grateful to STF, to suggest we weren't taken for granted and ignored by Petrie and Co is beyond parody too.

Nobody is reinventing anything. I think most folk have acknowledged they’ve sat through what on paper have been worse times.

Nobody is claiming this is the worst we’ve been, just that it’s the least interested they’ve ever felt. That isn’t necessarily something strictly based on performances and results.

[Keith_M]

I totally get why people are p1ssed off with the last couple of games, as it's nowhere near good enough, but...

Before we played the OF in quick succession, we'd just through an unbeaten run of seven matches, with five wins and two draws. Included in that were a 6-0 home win against Aberdeen and 4-1 away to Livingston.

That would suggest there is a team in there... but obviously also raises questions as to why we've been so poor against Motherwell and Utd.

[Smartie]

I totally get why people are p1ssed off with the last couple of games, as it's nowhere near good enough, but...

Before we played the OF in quick succession, we'd just through an unbeaten run of seven matches, with five wins and two draws. Included in that were a 6-0 home win against Aberdeen and 4-1 away to Livingston.

That would suggest there is a team in there... but obviously also raises questions as to why we've been so poor against Motherwell and Utd.

I’m concerned at how our season has been totally derailed by having a couple of difficult games - again.

The best teams lose games, dust themselves down and get on with winning again.

It drives me mad that Johnson’s Hibs lose the place altogether.

[wookie70]

Lots of posts ringing true for me. Not long ago I was beating myself up for missing a friendly against Birmingham. The only competitive game at ER I had missed in a decade. Not long after I was dragged to Gerry Cinamon and missed the The Rangers game where they humped us at ER and Porteous was sent off. I spent as much time reading Hibs.net as watching the gig. This season I have chosen to work, usually photographing Championship games, rather than watching Hibs. I often don't even look at the score until I am on my way home and remember we were playing.

I still renewed this year and have had a ST for most of my adult life with a slight break when the kids were too young to go. I sat behind the goals with my camera yesterday. I thought it would be really difficult sitting being professional when Hibs scored when I started this job but actually it feels much like any other game I photograph.

The Community Foundation is actually the only thing that enthuses me about Hibs at the moment and my connection to that feels strong. I still go to the odd away game and all the home games where I am not working but I am at the point it feels like I am wasting a day. I like the Friday KOs as that leaves the weekends free. It feels very similar to the way I went back in the 80s where I spent my life playing and watching football. Then the big money came in and seeding started to favour the bigger clubs. Cheating was rife and time wasting an art. I retreated further and further until the only football interaction I had was watching Hibs and the odd MOTD. Now Scottish football is all about the money, clubs seems like a businesses and cheating and time wasting take up a fair chunk of the 90 odd minutes. Games last longer but are bland with very little skill. Teams pack defences and pretty much everything done by the authorities makes the game worse. Sponsorship is everywhere and the connection I had when LD started and I completely bought into has gone. I see the club and the foundation as two separate things in many ways. Under LD they felt connected and everyone was under the Hibs umbrella(women's team excepted).

I'm not sure what is making me fall out of love with the club. Covid definitely had a part in it, the staggeringly poor state of Scottish football and the way the game is now played is a factor, the cost is very difficult to justify particularly when it feels like a chore rather than a pleasure. Whatever the reasons it is the emotional connection that is missing as that used to trump everything. Yesterday's result would have annoyed me and played on my mind for days just a few years back. Now I had pretty much forgotten it on the way back down the road and it felt little different than travelling back after the ICT game I watched the day before. Even after all that I can't imagine, at the moment, not renewing my STs in the years to come.

[Scotty Leither]

Lots of posts ringing true for me. Not long ago I was beating myself up for missing a friendly against Birmingham. The only competitive game at ER I had missed in a decade. Not long after I was dragged to Gerry Cinamon and missed the The Rangers game where they humped us at ER and Porteous was sent off. I spent as much time reading Hibs.net as watching the gig. This season I have chosen to work, usually photographing Championship games, rather than watching Hibs. I often don't even look at the score until I am on my way home and remember we were playing.

I still renewed this year and have had a ST for most of my adult life with a slight break when the kids were too young to go. I sat behind the goals with my camera yesterday. I thought it would be really difficult sitting being professional when Hibs scored when I started this job but actually it feels much like any other game I photograph.

The Community Foundation is actually the only thing that enthuses me about Hibs at the moment and my connection to that feels strong. I still go to the odd away game and all the home games where I am not working but I am at the point it feels like I am wasting a day. I like the Friday KOs as that leaves the weekends free. It feels very similar to the way I went back in the 80s where I spent my life playing and watching football. Then the big money came in and seeding started to favour the bigger clubs. Cheating was rife and time wasting an art. I retreated further and further until the only football interaction I had was watching Hibs and the odd MOTD. Now Scottish football is all about the money, clubs seems like a businesses and cheating and time wasting take up a fair chunk of the 90 odd minutes. Games last longer but are bland with very little skill. Teams pack defences and pretty much everything done by the authorities makes the game worse. Sponsorship is everywhere and the connection I had when LD started and I completely bought into has gone. I see the club and the foundation as two separate things in many ways. Under LD they felt connected and everyone was under the Hibs umbrella(women's team excepted).

I'm not sure what is making me fall out of love with the club. Covid definitely had a part in it, the staggeringly poor state of Scottish football and the way the game is now played is a factor, the cost is very difficult to justify particularly when it feels like a chore rather than a pleasure. Whatever the reasons it is the emotional connection that is missing as that used to trump everything. Yesterday's result would have annoyed me and played on my mind for days just a few years back. Now I had pretty much forgotten it on the way back down the road and it felt little different than travelling back after the ICT game I watched the day before. Even after all that I can't imagine, at the moment, not renewing my STs in the years to come.

A very measured post…and one that should be ringing alarm bell in the Boardroom as it’s where I am (and a fair few others I’ll wager) are at too.

I wonder if Kensell and other Board members will deign to meet with us to discuss matters in the near future because a few things need aired publicly?

How about passing that on, Kieran?

[BSEJVT]

The problem is that once you stop going religiously, it becomes easier and easier to miss more and more games and before you know it you are completely divorced from it.

Having said that, that 1/2 hour watching yesterday had me shouting at the telly and loudly bemoaning how bad we have become both collectively and individually.

My stopping going has had a really beneficial effect on my mental health, I would have been raging for hours/days about a performance like yesterday back in the day when I had a season ticket, but when the final whistle went my anger subsided almost immediately.

We are in real danger of alienating a generation of supporters a few short years after the glory of the cup win, when folk's involvement with Hibs had never been greater, which should have been unthinkable.

TBF my utter dislike of Johnson probably motivates me more to keep reading about Hibs ( in the hope that he is punted asap) than anything else at the moment.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The problem is that once you stop going religiously, it becomes easier and easier to miss more and more games and before you know it you are completely divorced from it.

Having said that, that 1/2 hour watching yesterday had me shouting at the telly and loudly bemoaning how bad we have become both collectively and individually.

My stopping going has had a really beneficial effect on my mental health, I would have been raging for hours/days about a performance like yesterday back in the day when I had a season ticket, but when the final whistle went my anger subsided almost immediately.

We are in real danger of alienating a generation of supporters a few short years after the glory of the cup win, when folk's involvement with Hibs had never been greater, which should have been unthinkable.

TBF my utter dislike of Johnson probably motivates me more to keep reading about Hibs ( in the hope that he is punted asap) than anything else at the moment.

I’m the same with regards to the being raging part. I actually stopped watching at 1-0 and had a quick glance when we scored. Was that bored with it all I decided to just go in the garden. Left a few games early this season as well which isn’t something I used to ever do either.

[WestStandWillie]

Lots of posts ringing true for me. Not long ago I was beating myself up for missing a friendly against Birmingham. The only competitive game at ER I had missed in a decade. Not long after I was dragged to Gerry Cinamon and missed the The Rangers game where they humped us at ER and Porteous was sent off. I spent as much time reading Hibs.net as watching the gig. This season I have chosen to work, usually photographing Championship games, rather than watching Hibs. I often don't even look at the score until I am on my way home and remember we were playing.

I still renewed this year and have had a ST for most of my adult life with a slight break when the kids were too young to go. I sat behind the goals with my camera yesterday. I thought it would be really difficult sitting being professional when Hibs scored when I started this job but actually it feels much like any other game I photograph.

The Community Foundation is actually the only thing that enthuses me about Hibs at the moment and my connection to that feels strong. I still go to the odd away game and all the home games where I am not working but I am at the point it feels like I am wasting a day. I like the Friday KOs as that leaves the weekends free. It feels very similar to the way I went back in the 80s where I spent my life playing and watching football. Then the big money came in and seeding started to favour the bigger clubs. Cheating was rife and time wasting an art. I retreated further and further until the only football interaction I had was watching Hibs and the odd MOTD. Now Scottish football is all about the money, clubs seems like a businesses and cheating and time wasting take up a fair chunk of the 90 odd minutes. Games last longer but are bland with very little skill. Teams pack defences and pretty much everything done by the authorities makes the game worse. Sponsorship is everywhere and the connection I had when LD started and I completely bought into has gone. I see the club and the foundation as two separate things in many ways. Under LD they felt connected and everyone was under the Hibs umbrella(women's team excepted).

I'm not sure what is making me fall out of love with the club. Covid definitely had a part in it, the staggeringly poor state of Scottish football and the way the game is now played is a factor, the cost is very difficult to justify particularly when it feels like a chore rather than a pleasure. Whatever the reasons it is the emotional connection that is missing as that used to trump everything. Yesterday's result would have annoyed me and played on my mind for days just a few years back. Now I had pretty much forgotten it on the way back down the road and it felt little different than travelling back after the ICT game I watched the day before. Even after all that I can't imagine, at the moment, not renewing my STs in the years to come.

The bit in bold is sadly where i'm heading tae.

Used tae buzz heading to the football (via the boozer) now it's lost its spark and it does almost feel chore like. The fact that the uglies are now way ahead of the chasing pack and inflicting heavy defeats again hasnae helped matters.

I got no feelings towards LJ either. Don't like him but at the same time don't hate him. It's all a bit :yawn:

[flash]

I think a large part of why this has become such a thing is that whilst people have always come and gone from being regular supporters in the past they just did that and life went on.
Nowadays hardly anyone seems able to stop or reduce their attendance without 6 months of dramatic build up and often a barely hidden attempt to persuade others they should stop going too.
Remarks about how people who aren't renewing "admire" those who are mean the exact opposite.
I blame whoever invented the Internet, old Tim Berners-Lee I think it was.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think a large part of why this has become such a thing is that whilst people have always come and gone from being regular supporters in the past they just did that and life went on.
Nowadays hardly anyone seems able to stop or reduce their attendance without 6 months of dramatic build up and often a barely hidden attempt to persuade others they should stop going too.
Remarks about how people who aren't renewing "admire" those who are mean the exact opposite.
I blame whoever invented the Internet, old Tim Berners-Lee I think it was.

I’d love to see even one example of somebody trying to persuade others not to renew.

[flash]

I’d love to see even one example of somebody trying to persuade others not to renew.

It's all in the subtext.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's all in the subtext.

In other words, nobody has done it.

[flash]

In other words, nobody has done it.

I know what I saw.

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/joe-newell-believes-hibernian-are-due-an-edinburgh-derby-victory-over-hearts-after-recent-struggles

Joe knows how it works. We are due a win so it will happen. [emoji849]


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[flash]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/joe-newell-believes-hibernian-are-due-an-edinburgh-derby-victory-over-hearts-after-recent-struggles

Joe knows how it works. We are due a win so it will happen. [emoji849]


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Except he doesn't say that.

[Smartie]

I think a large part of why this has become such a thing is that whilst people have always come and gone from being regular supporters in the past they just did that and life went on.
Nowadays hardly anyone seems able to stop or reduce their attendance without 6 months of dramatic build up and often a barely hidden attempt to persuade others they should stop going too.
Remarks about how people who aren't renewing "admire" those who are mean the exact opposite.
I blame whoever invented the Internet, old Tim Berners-Lee I think it was.

Pre-internet it was a pub conversation about who might be renewing and who might not, but it's not a brand new conversation.

The difference now is that with it written down for thousands of people to see, it takes on a gravity in the eyes of some that it doesn't really merit.

[flash]

Pre-internet it was a pub conversation about who might be renewing and who might not, but it's not a brand new conversation.

The difference now is that with it written down for thousands of people to see, it takes on a gravity in the eyes of some that it doesn't really merit.

Indeed. What irritates me is when some people positively revel in spreading their misery around.

[Bushwoof]

For all that Sunday's result was horrendous, we did hit the bar, missed a sitter or two and only lost due to a stupid penalty. There were games under JR where we never had a shot on target, so the football really isn't the worst it has been, not by a long way. The big difference is the 30 point gap between the uglies and the rest. It's difficult not to question the point of investing ones time in an exercise as pointless as the SPFL. So the fact that attendances are as high as they are is remarkable.
Most teams other than the 2 cheeks only have one or two players who can get the fans excited, and we're no different except in that our 2 (Boyle and Mcgeady) are both injured, so it's no wonder we're a bit less entertaining than we could be.
So no, there's not much there, but it's not going to get any better for us or 9 of the other teams in the league, so there's no point in moaning. Renew, or don't. You know what you're getting.

[B.H.F.C]

Indeed. What irritates me is when some people positively revel in spreading their misery around.

I’m pretty bloody negative about Hibs at the moment. Having been at every game this season I have plenty reason to be as well

I don’t get the point of being negative about something before it’s actually happened though (in this case the derby). As it stands, we still have a chance to salvage something from what has been a pretty diabolical season with the exception of a few weeks here and there.

We may well get beat on Saturday but I’ll certainly no be turning up at ER thinking that’s in any way a guarantee. History tells us we don’t win enough derbies but that doesn’t mean I don’t think we can beat a pretty ordinary Hearts team this weekend (despite some of the posts on here declaring that we have absolutely no chance and that everyone knows it). Totally get the frustration, anger and whatever at the moment but there are some posts and posters where I read them and just think to myself that supporting Hibs really isn’t for them but each to their own I suppose

[Jack Hackett]

Prior to today's entirely predictable and pathetic defeat to a bottom-of-the league team which hadn't won in their last 10 (with an entirely predictable and pathetic defeat in next weekend's derby to come), I was going to say this reminds me of the Williamson, Calderwood and Fenlon spells in charge where we offered little more than mid/lower table mediocrity for months on end. However, at least under Bobby and Pat we had some cup runs, with a smattering of very promising youngsters coming to the fore under the former.

This, though, feels like a whole new level of nothingness. Nothing in terms of players to get excited by or youngsters coming through the ranks, nothing in terms of a manager you think can turn things around, nothing in terms of a discernible long-term strategy for the club and nothing in terms of atmosphere or a connection between team and fans, Nothing, in essence, that would entice you to ever go and watch this team again except for blind loyalty/force of habit.

Our two most recent relegations gave us the chance to regroup, rebuild and come back very strongly but the current nothingness feels almost more dispiriting than relegation because while we're not quite awful enough to go down, we look destined to simply muddle along like this indefinitely, irrespective of whether we change manager yet again.

A nothing team going nowhere. That's the sum of it.

I moved to Brighton yonks ago, but was ALWAYS a Hibby 1st and foremost. In that time I've seen both teams hit rock bottom. The difference now is that Brighton actually did something about their problems. I'm living in Spain now and subscibe to HTV. What's telling, is that if Hibs/Brighton fixtures clash, I'd rather watch an illegal Brighton stream onthe comp, than the Official Hibs stream on the tellybox... and that truly makes me sad

[He's here!]

I’m pretty bloody negative about Hibs at the moment. Having been at every game this season I have plenty reason to be as well

I don’t get the point of being negative about something before it’s actually happened though (in this case the derby). As it stands, we still have a chance to salvage something from what has been a pretty diabolical season with the exception of a few weeks here and there.

We may well get beat on Saturday but I’ll certainly no be turning up at ER thinking that’s in any way a guarantee. History tells us we don’t win enough derbies but that doesn’t mean I don’t think we can beat a pretty ordinary Hearts team this weekend (despite some of the posts on here declaring that we have absolutely no chance and that everyone knows it). Totally get the frustration, anger and whatever at the moment but there are some posts and posters where I read them and just think to myself that supporting Hibs really isn’t for them but each to their own I suppose

'If you always expect disappointment then you can never be truly disappointed.'

I find that to be a reasonable mindset when it comes to derbies bearing in mind that historically we've lost almost twice as many as we've won.

The flip side is that if we win the surprise element makes the boost extra special.

[B.H.F.C]

'If you always expect disappointment then you can never be truly disappointed.'

I find that to be a reasonable mindset when it comes to derbies bearing in mind that historically we've lost almost twice as many as we've won.

The flip side is that if we win the surprise element makes the boost extra special.

What a miserable way to live life. Or at least your football supporting life.

If you can’t look forward to our biggest games, at all, then I really wonder what the point is in going.

I’m certainly no happy clapper that thinks we’re a good side and everything is going well but Saturday is another chance to beat Hearts (a very average, out of form Hearts) and irrespective of what you say that isn’t something that would be some kind of huge shock.

[He's here!]

What a miserable way to live life. Or at least your football supporting life.

If you can’t look forward to our biggest games, at all, then I really wonder what the point is in going.

I’m certainly no happy clapper that thinks we’re a good side and everything is going well but Saturday is another chance to beat Hearts (a very average, out of form Hearts) and irrespective of what you say that isn’t something that would be some kind of huge shock.

I'll be hugely shocked if we win. Delighted though.

[WeeRussell]

Indeed. What irritates me is when some people positively revel in spreading their misery around.

I’m just surprised so many have taken the OP seriously enough to reply, even if some of the replying posters make some valid points.

He won’t have watched the game on Sunday and won’t be there on Saturday. Been telling us in this same manner for months, if not years, how he isn’t interested in watching Hibs or football.. but yet here he is again revelling in negativity. Was the same with Scotland but no kick out of that now that we’re a decent side.

Clearly not getting enough reaction in the Holy Ground lately.

[Pagan Hibernia]

What a miserable way to live life. Or at least your football supporting life.

If you can’t look forward to our biggest games, at all, then I really wonder what the point is in going.

I’m certainly no happy clapper that thinks we’re a good side and everything is going well but Saturday is another chance to beat Hearts (a very average, out of form Hearts) and irrespective of what you say that isn’t something that would be some kind of huge shock.

I think we might beat them this time.

but come on, people have trepidation about derbies for a very good reason, namely we don’t tend to win too many of them, something you’ve pointed out yourself.

one positive about this current awful derby run that we’re on is that people have finally stopped predicting “We’ll smash them this time”…. Which always seemed to backfire on us.

[ehf]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/joe-newell-believes-hibernian-are-due-an-edinburgh-derby-victory-over-hearts-after-recent-struggles

Joe knows how it works. We are due a win so it will happen. [emoji849]


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Joe says we’re working on little things in training this week, so that’s very promising.

[B.H.F.C]

I think we might beat them this time.

but come on, people have trepidation about derbies for a very good reason, namely we don’t tend to win too many of them, something you’ve pointed out yourself.

one positive about this current awful derby run that we’re on is that people have finally stopped predicting “We’ll smash them this time”…. Which always seemed to backfire on us.

Aye I totally get why folk might not necessarily think we’ll win at the weekend (I might even think that myself). But there is a difference between a bit of trepidation about a game and some of the stuff that is posted IMO.

[CallumHibs07]

We'll roll over with a wimper then have a wee rally when the games done and the pressures off. As happens every time against them. Lee to claim we were unlucky and could have got something

Losers

[He's here!]

I moved to Brighton yonks ago, but was ALWAYS a Hibby 1st and foremost. In that time I've seen both teams hit rock bottom. The difference now is that Brighton actually did something about their problems. I'm living in Spain now and subscibe to HTV. What's telling, is that if Hibs/Brighton fixtures clash, I'd rather watch an illegal Brighton stream onthe comp, than the Official Hibs stream on the tellybox... and that truly makes me sad

That's interesting. Not having followed Brighton's fortunes, I'd be keen to hear more about how they addressed things positively.

I had hoped Ron Gordon's takeover would be a step change for Hibs but it's clear we're rapidly going backwards.

The last time there was a sense of drawing a line in the sand and building something worth getting behind was when Petrie brought Dempster in.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That's interesting. Not having followed Brighton's fortunes, I'd be keen to hear more about how they addressed things positively.

I had hoped Ron Gordon's takeover would be a step change for Hibs but it's clear we're rapidly going backwards.

The last time there was a sense of drawing a line in the sand and building something worth getting behind was when Petrie brought Dempster in.

Someone will be along soon to tell you we’re clearly not going backwards because we have upgraded our hospitality.

[flash]

Someone will be along soon to tell you we’re clearly not going backwards because we have upgraded our hospitality.

You pair should get a room.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You pair should get a room.

Did you think that one up all by yourself?

[blackpoolhibs]

Joe says we’re working on little things in training this week, so that’s very promising.

I hope one of those things he's working on is cutting the oranges for half time.

[GreenCastle]

I honestly think the Covid season of watching Hibs on tv, in silent empty stadiums, did a lot of damage. We did well that season, finished 3rd, went far in the cups (without of course actually winning them :confused:) and yet this place was full of people saying they just couldn’t muster the interest, it didn’t feel like Hibs etc. I think for a lot of people the love of going to the game has never really returned. The team are crap, the results are crap, the entertainment is crap, the food is crap, the whole atmosphere in the stands and round the club is crap, and the whole thing just feels like a chore. We had people saying they couldn’t be bothered going to the cup final against Celtic last season ffs, this was after we’d walloped Rangers in the semi. others couldn’t be arsed with a semi final against hearts at hampden.

it’s a real shame because 21/05/16 remains fresh in the memory and that should have galvanised our club for a generation. That day in the sunshine at hampden felt like a vindication, that after the rubbish we’d seen previously Hibs would be ok. It’s only 7 years ago and the two seasons after that when we were doing well, winning derbies, getting results against the old firm, it was a special time.

terrible managerial appointments and recruitment have knocked the stuffing out of our club.

im at a loss as to how to bring the feel good factor back. Winning a derby next week would be a start.

Think this is pretty similar to some of my thoughts.

Enjoy the Friday night games as you have the weekend.

Haven’t renewed yet mainly as I’m totally fed up with the team and management / recruitment/ club structure.

Is it really that hard to put together a consistent team who care for the club. Find us a captain who leads by example, players who don’t hide in big games and a manager who doesn’t have an ego and gets the best out what he has.

Few other things…

The price of Scottish football is crazy. Don’t enjoy buying a Season ticket always trying to play for 3rd and rarely getting 3rd.

The stadium experience has improved but Block 7 should have been moved to FF lower but club ignored this. Perfect opportunity to do it for next season after the trials but ignored.

Even small things like the Hibs social media annoys you more than it should. Small things but feels like disconnect and being taking for a ride without much enjoyment back. Over to you Hibs - make me feel valued again.

[Nicho87]

In recent years gone by with half decent teams we’ve had players the fans have connected with pretty darn quick

Mixu
McGinn
Riordan

I know these players are a cut above what we have currently

But we have zero personality in that squad currently

Bar Boyle

No character, sadly this comes from the top.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’m just surprised so many have taken the OP seriously enough to reply, even if some of the replying posters make some valid points.

He won’t have watched the game on Sunday and won’t be there on Saturday. Been telling us in this same manner for months, if not years, how he isn’t interested in watching Hibs or football.. but yet here he is again revelling in negativity. Was the same with Scotland but no kick out of that now that we’re a decent side.

Clearly not getting enough reaction in the Holy Ground lately.

Another post, another dig at a Hibs fan.

[Trinity Hibee]

Been reading a lot of threads and it’s clear many are disillusioned right now. I’m the same.

The feeling is that if LJ goes or stays it doesn’t really matter as unlikely much will change. Average (at best) players on decent contracts that we’ll struggle to move on and a playing style which is slow and laboured. What’s even more infuriating is the prize on offer for 3rd place and how just a little more consistency would have had us challenging. Truth is realistically we’ve never really been close to it no matter how much we wanted to believe it was on. The squad just isn’t good enough and even if we did get there we would get destroyed with these players.

Likely Nisbet will go in the summer so you’d hope that gives us some cash to spend.

This is starting to feel like a long rebuild which isn’t acceptable given where we were 2 years ago. The last 10 years or so we’ve had personalities in the side and more often than not getting to hampden in cups. That feels a while off right now.

I’ve worked out we’ve made the top 6 12 out of 20 seasons we’ve been in the top flight. That is a disgraceful record given top 6 is our absolute minimum requirement.

[WeeRussell]

Another post, another dig at a Hibs fan.

Another valuable contribution. He’s not a hibs supporter, has said as much himself plenty times. That’s the point.

Maybe there’s a course on troll-spotting. Like that one that stopped you having a pop at Hibs supporters (ironically) on here for being anti-racist.

Better yet why not just stick me on ignore. It’s bad enough being a danger of you coming looking for reactions and then crying at people being argumentative, but if it now extends to other posters then the ignore function is probably best 👍

[WhileTheChief..]

Another valuable contribution. He’s not a hibs supporter, has said as much himself plenty times. That’s the point.

Maybe there’s a course on troll-spotting. Like that one that stopped you having a pop at Hibs supporters (ironically) on here for being anti-racist.

Better yet why not just stick me on ignore. It’s bad enough being a danger of you coming looking for reactions and then crying at people being argumentative, but if it now extends to other posters then the ignore function is probably best 👍

Works both ways. 👍👍

[He's here!]

Been reading a lot of threads and it’s clear many are disillusioned right now. I’m the same.

The feeling is that if LJ goes or stays it doesn’t really matter as unlikely much will change. Average (at best) players on decent contracts that we’ll struggle to move on and a playing style which is slow and laboured. What’s even more infuriating is the prize on offer for 3rd place and how just a little more consistency would have had us challenging. Truth is realistically we’ve never really been close to it no matter how much we wanted to believe it was on. The squad just isn’t good enough and even if we did get there we would get destroyed with these players.

Likely Nisbet will go in the summer so you’d hope that gives us some cash to spend.

This is starting to feel like a long rebuild which isn’t acceptable given where we were 2 years ago. The last 10 years or so we’ve had personalities in the side and more often than not getting to hampden in cups. That feels a while off right now.

I’ve worked out we’ve made the top 6 12 out of 20 seasons we’ve been in the top flight. That is a disgraceful record given top 6 is our absolute minimum requirement.

Since the 1977/1978 season we've finished in the top 4 just seven times. That's approaching half a century. Folk get riled when it's claimed that as fans we accept mediocrity, but that's not even mediocre. For a club of our size it's pitiful.

Prior to that 77/78 season we'd finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd and 6th. That was the era I started following Hibs so I guess I maybe expect more than I should but the bar has been set very low since then.

[JimBHibees]

Another post, another dig at a Hibs fan.

Is he though

[WhileTheChief..]

Is he though

C'mon, of course he is. You're usually quite quick to call out folk you don't think are Hibs fans. Have you ever questioned him before?!

There's been decent chat on this thread, it's been going a few days, and a lot of people seem to agree with, or have similar thoughts to the OP.

We can't go around calling them all names or accusing them of being trolls just because we might disagree. There's no need for it at all.

[matty_f]

Someone will be along soon to tell you we’re clearly not going backwards because we have upgraded our hospitality.

Nobody says that.

[Jack Hackett]

That's interesting. Not having followed Brighton's fortunes, I'd be keen to hear more about how they addressed things positively.

I had hoped Ron Gordon's takeover would be a step change for Hibs but it's clear we're rapidly going backwards.

The last time there was a sense of drawing a line in the sand and building something worth getting behind was when Petrie brought Dempster in.

Simple answer is Tony Bloom. A genuine fan prepared to build a club the fans could be proud of. A hugely successful professional gambler prepared to take risks if the return is worth it, and a business acumen that has seen them make huge profits from a scouting system that's the envy of the rest of the PL. He plays hardball in the transfer market, getting maximum return for players he already has replacements for in house. There is little room for sentiment where managers who have made a little progress, taking them up a league, or avoiding relegation etc, but are deemed to not be progressing quickly enough. Every manager he's brought in has been an improvement on their predecessor. He's not in the game for kudos, or as a ***** extension, but for love of the club. He regularly sits with the fans at away games. They are heading for Europe next season, of that I have no doubts. If it hadn't been for some horrendous VAR mistakes, they'd be knocking on the door of the CL... and all this while playing the kind of football I want to watch, instead of holding my head in my hands saying ffs, every time another pass ends up in the stands. It was a dream that maybe I'd get to see both teams in the Europa next season. All my hopes are pinned on Brighton now

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Nobody says that.

I believe I've read it on here somewhere.

[He's here!]

Simple answer is Tony Bloom. A genuine fan prepared to build a club the fans could be proud of. A hugely successful professional gambler prepared to take risks if the return is worth it, and a business acumen that has seen them make huge profits from a scouting system that's the envy of the rest of the PL. He plays hardball in the transfer market, getting maximum return for players he already has replacements for in house. There is little room for sentiment where managers who have made a little progress, taking them up a league, or avoiding relegation etc, but are deemed to not be progressing quickly enough. Every manager he's brought in has been an improvement on their predecessor. He's not in the game for kudos, or as a ***** extension, but for love of the club. He regularly sits with the fans at away games. They are heading for Europe next season, of that I have no doubts. If it hadn't been for some horrendous VAR mistakes, they'd be knocking on the door of the CL... and all this while playing the kind of football I want to watch, instead of holding my head in my hands saying ffs, every time another pass ends up in the stands. It was a dream that maybe I'd get to see both teams in the Europa next season. All my hopes are pinned on Brighton now

Thanks for the feedback. A bona fide fan with not only the cash but the savvy to make a success of his club. That's the dream isn't it? From what you say I bet Potter wishes he hadn't gone to Chelsea.

The only time in my lifetime we've had an out and out Hibs fan calling the shots was when Tom Hart owned us (think Kenny Waugh was also a fan but he didn't have the same clout and, to be fair, Hart bequeathed him a club in a pretty sorry state). He was great at keeping us front of mind as a 'big' club but not so great at laying down any infrastructure for the future.

[WeeRussell]

Entirely predictable and pathetic.

[JimBHibees]

Thanks for the feedback. A bona fide fan with not only the cash but the savvy to make a success of his club. That's the dream isn't it? From what you say I bet Potter wishes he hadn't gone to Chelsea.

The only time in my lifetime we've had an out and out Hibs fan calling the shots was when Tom Hart owned us (think Kenny Waugh was also a fan but he didn't have the same clout and, to be fair, Hart bequeathed him a club in a pretty sorry state). He was great at keeping us front of mind as a 'big' club but not so great at laying down any infrastructure for the future.

Happy with yesterday's result?

[He's here!]

Entirely predictable and pathetic.

Yep, they proved me completely wrong yesterday. Acknowledged as much on the match day thread. Delighted to have underestimated them. Fantastic win and one they really dug deep for.

I'd love to think they can build on this but on the evidence of the season so far it's too early to get carried away.

[Kato]

Yep, they proved me completely wrong yesterday. Acknowledged as much on the match day thread. Delighted to have underestimated them. Fantastic win and one they really dug deep for.

I'd love to think they can build on this but on the evidence of the season so far it's too early to get carried away.But not too early to rip the absolute pesh out of the club from as many angles as you think fit, just because you personally don't feel it any more?

You'll be back with a duplicate thread the first sign things don't suit you.

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[keep the faith]

Hoping people will stop and think before starting these nonsense threads every time we get beat.
The bad signing policy doesnt go away in a week. We need time patience and togetherness. What we def don't need is another new manager.
Well done yesterday Lee.Hugely deserved. Lets get behind him and kick on with a united front and a smarter summer transfer window.
KTF

[Trinity Hibee]

Hoping people will stop and think before starting these nonsense threads every time we get beat.
The bad signing policy doesnt go away in a week. We need time patience and togetherness. What we def don't need is another new manager.
Well done yesterday Lee.Hugely deserved. Lets get behind him and kick on with a united front and a smarter summer transfer window.
KTF

It’s not really a nonsense thread though is it? It’s a discussion which is fully justified. If you don’t agree fair enough. Some are frustrated at how the last couple of seasons have panned out as they believe we are capable of better.

Everyone involved did great yesterday but if we don’t perform next week we are back to where we started.

[tamig]

It’s not really a nonsense thread though is it? It’s a discussion which is fully justified. If you don’t agree fair enough. Some are frustrated at how the last couple of seasons have panned out as they believe we are capable of better.

Everyone involved did great yesterday but if we don’t perform next week we are back to where we started.

People are also dragging up the past 50 years or so of history. Which hardly provides backing as to any suggestion that this is a fairly recent phenomenon. The OP is nonsense. Over that period there have been many more spells when things have been worse than this. The OP obviously came off the back of last Sunday’s disappointment but this current team is nowhere near one of the worst seen in the past 50 years.

[Kato]

It’s not really a nonsense thread though is it? It’s a discussion which is fully justified. If you don’t agree fair enough. Some are frustrated at how the last couple of seasons have panned out as they believe we are capable of better.

Everyone involved did great yesterday but if we don’t perform next week we are back to where we started.It is nonsense as there is obviously something there. If the OP doesn't feel it that's nothing to do with me but the same thread is posted often, drip drip drip negativity against the whole club.

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[He's here!]

People are also dragging up the past 50 years or so of history. Which hardly provides backing as to any suggestion that this is a fairly recent phenomenon. The OP is nonsense. Over that period there have been many more spells when things have been worse than this. The OP obviously came off the back of last Sunday’s disappointment but this current team is nowhere near one of the worst seen in the past 50 years.

I certainly don't regard our mediocrity as a 'recent phenomenon'. 'Dragging up' the past 50 years just underlines how underachieving we are as a club relative to our size in Scottish football. Since the Tornadoes era we've had sporadic spells of fulfilling our potential but more often than not we've been lacklustre at best - and quite often pretty pathetic.

It's all down to opinions though. I get flak from some for giving the club what I feel is deserved criticism when it comes to holding them to higher standards, but am happy to acknowledge when I call things wrong...which in turn attracts more flak!

[One Day Soon]

That was an utterly woeful Hearts yesterday, perhaps the worst I've ever seen them. Fantastic that we won and it gave such an enormous lift, but anyone kidding themselves on that we don't still have all the serious problems we had prior to that game is doing just that - kidding themselves on. They were worse than a pub team for significant portions of that game and yet we contrived to somehow let them have possession and some periods of play in our half that they could not have managed on their own.

If you're going from the Dundee United result one week to this one the next there are serious issues of one sort or another at play. We need to get these sorted in the next window and we need that DoF in the door fast to do so.

[Stuart93]

That was an utterly woeful Hearts yesterday, perhaps the worst I've ever seen them. Fantastic that we won and it gave such an enormous lift, but anyone kidding themselves on that we don't still have all the serious problems we had prior to that game is doing just that - kidding themselves on. They were worse than a pub team for significant portions of that game and yet we contrived to somehow let them have possession and some periods of play in our half that they could not have managed on their own.

If you're going from the Dundee United result one week to this one the next there are serious issues of one sort or another at play. We need to get these sorted in the next window and we need that DoF in the door fast to do so.

No one’s saying we don’t still have problems

People are just enjoying us beating hearts. You should try it

[BoomtownHibees]

That was an utterly woeful Hearts yesterday, perhaps the worst I've ever seen them. Fantastic that we won and it gave such an enormous lift, but anyone kidding themselves on that we don't still have all the serious problems we had prior to that game is doing just that - kidding themselves on. They were worse than a pub team for significant portions of that game and yet we contrived to somehow let them have possession and some periods of play in our half that they could not have managed on their own.

If you're going from the Dundee United result one week to this one the next there are serious issues of one sort or another at play. We need to get these sorted in the next window and we need that DoF in the door fast to do so.

Bloody hell. Felt happy til I read this

[Callum_62]

Lee Johnson:

Win a big game and it's because the opposition were woeful

Folk do realise that there's 22 players on the park right?

Sometimes a team do things that make there opponents look bad



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[Kato]

I certainly don't regard our mediocrity as a 'recent phenomenon'. 'Dragging up' the past 50 years just underlines how underachieving we are as a club relative to our size in Scottish football. Since the Tornadoes era we've had sporadic spells of fulfilling our potential but more often than not we've been lacklustre at best - and quite often pretty pathetic.

It's all down to opinions though. I get flak from some for giving the club what I feel is deserved criticism when it comes to holding them to higher standards, but am happy to acknowledge when I call things wrong...which in turn attracts more flak!You could always avoid your sense of self-martyrdom by avoiding posting about your lack of feeling for the club.

Anyway it's your opinion, which is fair enough, it's all a bit bean countery and drab pragmatism though isn't it.

Look at the fans yesterday. The Hibernian community is in a very strong place. The fans themselves and the outreach/programme stuff to the wider fanbase is as strong as ever.

So it's a complete nonsense to hold the opinion that there is nothing there. Maybe you don't feel that sense of community but thousands do.



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[Paulie Walnuts]

It is nonsense as there is obviously something there. If the OP doesn't feel it that's nothing to do with me but the same thread is posted often, drip drip drip negativity against the whole club.

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It’s not nonsense at all. If folk are disillusioned with the club were better to discuss it than a Hibs forum?

If you want somewhere that’s going to be positive 24/7 then this isn’t the place.

[Greenio]

Yep, they proved me completely wrong yesterday. Acknowledged as much on the match day thread. Delighted to have underestimated them. Fantastic win and one they really dug deep for.

I'd love to think they can build on this but on the evidence of the season so far it's too early to get carried away.

The 'proved me wrong' chat is poor.


Next time try getting behind the team for x change, they might prove you right!

[B.H.F.C]

That was an utterly woeful Hearts yesterday, perhaps the worst I've ever seen them. Fantastic that we won and it gave such an enormous lift, but anyone kidding themselves on that we don't still have all the serious problems we had prior to that game is doing just that - kidding themselves on. They were worse than a pub team for significant portions of that game and yet we contrived to somehow let them have possession and some periods of play in our half that they could not have managed on their own.

If you're going from the Dundee United result one week to this one the next there are serious issues of one sort or another at play. We need to get these sorted in the next window and we need that DoF in the door fast to do so.

Don’t think anyone thinks all our problems have disappeared. It’s just been a very enjoyable weekend that’s all.

And despite how ***** we are we now sit one point off a European place so we still have an opportunity to achieve something with our season.

[Kato]

It’s not nonsense at all. If folk are disillusioned with the club were better to discuss it than a Hibs forum?


I'm arguing that to say there is nothing there as a club is nonsense when the wider Hibs community is as strong as ever.


If you want somewhere that’s going to be positive 24/7 then this isn’t the place.

Cheers. I'll keep that in mind if thats ever what I want but this place is just fine for me just now.



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[jacomo]

It’s not nonsense at all. If folk are disillusioned with the club were better to discuss it than a Hibs forum?

If you want somewhere that’s going to be positive 24/7 then this isn’t the place.


I don’t think any is arguing that this is the wrong forum to discuss Hibs :faf:

The OP has been made to look ridiculous and thank **** for that. Clearly there is *something* there, even if it’s been a disappointing season overall.

[One Day Soon]

No one’s saying we don’t still have problems

People are just enjoying us beating hearts. You should try it


If you'd read past the first sentence you might have seen this: "Fantastic that we won and it gave such an enormous lift"

[He's here!]

That was an utterly woeful Hearts yesterday, perhaps the worst I've ever seen them. Fantastic that we won and it gave such an enormous lift, but anyone kidding themselves on that we don't still have all the serious problems we had prior to that game is doing just that - kidding themselves on. They were worse than a pub team for significant portions of that game and yet we contrived to somehow let them have possession and some periods of play in our half that they could not have managed on their own.

If you're going from the Dundee United result one week to this one the next there are serious issues of one sort or another at play. We need to get these sorted in the next window and we need that DoF in the door fast to do so.

All fair points. I was, however, impressed by the mental strength we displayed. Something I didn't think this team had in it and so fundamental to winning a derby irrespective of the quality of football. More of the same please going forward.

[Donegal Hibby]

Hoping people will stop and think before starting these nonsense threads every time we get beat.
The bad signing policy doesnt go away in a week. We need time patience and togetherness. What we def don't need is another new manager.
Well done yesterday Lee.Hugely deserved. Lets get behind him and kick on with a united front and a smarter summer transfer window.
KTF
Excellent post :top marks

[JimBHibees]

That was an utterly woeful Hearts yesterday, perhaps the worst I've ever seen them. Fantastic that we won and it gave such an enormous lift, but anyone kidding themselves on that we don't still have all the serious problems we had prior to that game is doing just that - kidding themselves on. They were worse than a pub team for significant portions of that game and yet we contrived to somehow let them have possession and some periods of play in our half that they could not have managed on their own.

If you're going from the Dundee United result one week to this one the next there are serious issues of one sort or another at play. We need to get these sorted in the next window and we need that DoF in the door fast to do so.

You can't have watched many Hearts teams if you thought that was the worst ever. You are just desperate not to give any praise so you can pile on the next time. No one with any awareness would suggest we are a good team however yesterday and a number of other games this season has shown we can be good and get better. You are right we do need to get DOF and recruitment sorted however I was happy for the manager and players the way we won on Saturday as we all as a club needed it.

[wookie70]

Saturday was a great reminder of what Hibs meant to me. Like most I thought we had set out for a battle with the team selection but from the first few seconds it was a battle we were better prepared for. I can honestly say that even if that last minute free kick had went in I would have still have renewed my connection due to teh personality the players showed. As many have said the fans have been there in numbers for the team, we just needed something to get behind. That something didn't need to be intricate football it can just as easily be winning 50:50s and constantly looking forward with our passing. Hanlon had it bang on with his comments. The team gave us something to shout about and we then became one. Same again next week and we have more big games and something to play for. All of a sudden we can all be looking up rather than preparing for the worst. I'm not overly keen on the buzzword bingo of teh manager but I do think he is honest and is for the most part spot on with his comments. It was a massive win for us but just as big for him personally and I hope the player continue to show that level of drive and commitment. If they do then we don't have much to worry about

[jacomo]

If you'd read past the first sentence you might have seen this: "Fantastic that we won and it gave such an enormous lift"


You do seem to have been on a massive downer on Hibs for ages.

Big mistakes have been made on the football side during the Gordon family’s tenure so far, no doubt about that, but we can’t undo the past, only learn from it.

The picture isn’t all bleak.

[hibsbollah]

Saturday was a great reminder of what Hibs meant to me. Like most I thought we had set out for a battle with the team selection but from the first few seconds it was a battle we were better prepared for. I can honestly say that even if that last minute free kick had went in I would have still have renewed my connection due to teh personality the players showed. As many have said the fans have been there in numbers for the team, we just needed something to get behind. That something didn't need to be intricate football it can just as easily be winning 50:50s and constantly looking forward with our passing. Hanlon had it bang on with his comments. The team gave us something to shout about and we then became one. Same again next week and we have more big games and something to play for. All of a sudden we can all be looking up rather than preparing for the worst. I'm not overly keen on the buzzword bingo of teh manager but I do think he is honest and is for the most part spot on with his comments. It was a massive win for us but just as big for him personally and I hope the player continue to show that level of drive and commitment. If they do then we don't have much to worry about

This is exactly how I felt. Reenergised would be another way of expressing it.

[One Day Soon]

You can't have watched many Hearts teams if you thought that was the worst ever. You are just desperate not to give any praise so you can pile on the next time. No one with any awareness would suggest we are a good team however yesterday and a number of other games this season has shown we can be good and get better. You are right we do need to get DOF and recruitment sorted however I was happy for the manager and players the way we won on Saturday as we all as a club needed it.

I've been a season ticket holder continuously for the best part of 40 years now, I've seen plenty of Hearts teams and that one was easily one of the worst.

Let me assure you that if I feel any need to "pile on the next time" I will crack on and do it regardless of whether or not I have given praise in this thread.

I thoroughly enjoyed the day and it was a real lift, but all the underlying and structural issues with our squad remain and my eyes are firmly set on the next transfer window. Given how close that window is - and that fact that other teams are already well into assessing and approaching their targets for that window - I am more than a little concerned that in the ongoing absence of a DoF the people overseeing our recruitment in the summer will very likely be the same people who ****ed it up so spectacularly in previous windows.

[One Day Soon]

You do seem to have been on a massive downer on Hibs for ages.

Big mistakes have been made on the football side during the Gordon family’s tenure so far, no doubt about that, but we can’t undo the past, only learn from it.

The picture isn’t all bleak.


You are correct, I have. That's because we have hugely and damagingly underperformed for ages. Learning from the past is what I am desperate for them to do. If we had eg not screwed up against struggling Dundee United we could now be sitting just 4 points behind third placed Aberdeen and that £5million worth European place.

[hibsbollah]

You are correct, I have. That's because we have hugely and damagingly underperformed for ages. Learning from the past is what I am desperate for them to do. If we had eg not screwed up against struggling Dundee United we could now be sitting just 4 points behind third placed Aberdeen and that £5million worth European place.

Interestingly, in the ‘one of the worst hearts teams I’ve ever seen’ conversation, up in Dundee weekend before last was the worst Utd sides I’d ever seen,bar none, they were hopeless. Which made losing to them even harder to bear. But maybe the ‘fan of team a thinks that team b is the worst version of team b in team bs history’ paradigm is fatally flawed anyway and shouldn’t be used to judge team a? Principally because we don’t watch team b often enough to judge effectively?

[jacomo]

You are correct, I have. That's because we have hugely and damagingly underperformed for ages. Learning from the past is what I am desperate for them to do. If we had eg not screwed up against struggling Dundee United we could now be sitting just 4 points behind third placed Aberdeen and that £5million worth European place.


I enjoy your sense of humour on here more than I enjoy the furious rants (justified as they may be!) so here’s hoping the team has turned a corner!

[Malthibby]

Can I remind folk of Gary Locke's 2012-2013 team for a recent memory of a worse Hearts team?
Given what had happened at Hampden :rolleyes: GL & Co followed it with a season of utter pish, partly of course because of belated punishment for being cheating bassas.
I could also go back to the late seventies/early eighties to find Hearts teams who were consistently way worse than the current lot
but I've often seen far worse since then.

[SHODAN]

The two worst Hearts teams in recent memory are the two that were relegated. They beat us home and away both seasons. The current Hearts team is a good one undergoing some poor form; let's not sell ourselves short.

When was the last time both teams were out of form going into the derby and we won? When was the last time we ended a four game losing streak against Hearts? I can't think of either.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The two worst Hearts teams in recent memory are the two that were relegated. They beat us home and away both seasons. The current Hearts team is a good one undergoing some poor form; let's not sell ourselves short.

When was the last time both teams were out of form going into the derby and we won? When was the last time we ended a four game losing streak against Hearts? I can't think of either.

:agree:

That was probably a poorer performance than I’ve watched poorer hearts teams put in - the two relegated sides probably put in better performances than that one - but there’s not a chance in hell this is one of the worst hearts teams I’ve seen.

[He's here!]

Can I remind folk of Gary Locke's 2012-2013 team for a recent memory of a worse Hearts team?
Given what had happened at Hampden :rolleyes: GL & Co followed it with a season of utter pish, partly of course because of belated punishment for being cheating bassas.
I could also go back to the late seventies/early eighties to find Hearts teams who were consistently way worse than the current lot
but I've often seen far worse since then.

Might be wrong but I think without the points deduction Locke's team would have finished above us that season.

The late 70s yo-yo era was their lowest ebb I'd say.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Might be wrong but I think without the points deduction Locke's team would have finished above us that season.

The late 70s yo-yo era was their lowest ebb I'd say.

Hearts never got a deduction in 12/13. He took over towards the end of that season and they finished 10th, 7 points behind us in 7th.

In 13/14 they finished on 23 points after a 15 point deduction. We picked up 35 so they picked up 3 more points than us over the season. Locke was then binned/replaced by Neilson after that season.

[One Day Soon]

The two worst Hearts teams in recent memory are the two that were relegated. They beat us home and away both seasons. The current Hearts team is a good one undergoing some poor form; let's not sell ourselves short.

When was the last time both teams were out of form going into the derby and we won? When was the last time we ended a four game losing streak against Hearts? I can't think of either.


Whereas I'm wondering when the last time was that they were on a six game losing run. They were utter merde on Saturday.

[SHODAN]

Whereas I'm wondering when the last time was that they were on a six game losing run. They were utter merde on Saturday.

2008. The six game losing run was part of a 9 game winless run which was ended by, you guessed it, a 1-0 win against Hibs.

[JimBHibees]

:agree:

That was probably a poorer performance than I’ve watched poorer hearts teams put in - the two relegated sides probably put in better performances than that one - but there’s not a chance in hell this is one of the worst hearts teams I’ve seen.

Agree look at the money spent on them particularly on wages and the number of internationalists in their squad.