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[Paulie Walnuts]

Bring him back. We’re in desperate need of a new goalie.

[cameronw-hfc]

Folk on here would genuinely have you believe this version of Marshall is better. He's so far past it anyone denying it now is either deluded or just doesn't want to criticise him due to his Scotland heroics.

Stats back it up, as do the performances now.

[Since452]

One inconsistent keeper for another inconsistent keeper? Nah. Rather we looked forward not back.

[Jones28]

One inconsistent keeper for another inconsistent keeper? Nah. Rather we looked forward not back.

Rocky is a the best keeper we’ve had since…Colgan?

[Paulie Walnuts]

One inconsistent keeper for another inconsistent keeper? Nah. Rather we looked forward not back.

The best keeper we’ve had in 25 years for the guy who’s cost us over and over this season.

[BILLYHIBS]

This is an April Fool right ? :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

This is an April Fool right ? :greengrin

Marshall’s performance certainly was, yet again.

[Edina Street]

I liked Ofir Marciano, and was disappointed when he left. Would not mind having him back. Though, even better would be someone of Marciano's quality, but younger.

[Hibees1973]

When Marshall was signed I would never expected him to perform like this, even in 1 game.

[MWHIBBIES]

But Marshall has good distribution :faf:

[Donegal Hibby]

Two excellently taken freekicks and a penalty and now it's all Marshall's fault . Deary me another melt down . :rolleyes:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Two excellently taken freekicks and a penalty and now it's all Marshall's fault . Deary me another melted down . :rolleyes:

Wow. :faf:

That’s some take.

[Smartie]

Wasn’t there today and I’m not going to defend Marshall’s performance but this “costing us all season” stuff has come out of nowhere.

He’s made saves along the way and largely been praised for his distribution. Sure, he’s going through a dip in form but I’m not sure I’d be writing off someone with his track record after a bad month any more than we should a manager whose side is going through a dip or a striker whose goals have dried up.

[AL-Qaholik]

Two excellently taken freekicks and a penalty and now it's all Marshall's fault . Deary me another melted down . :rolleyes:

Exquisite April Fool’s. Well played.

[LaMotta]

This is an April Fool right ? :greengrin

Marshall's made more mistakes in the last few months than Marciano did in 5 years at Hibs.

[SHODAN]

What is Marciano up to just now?

[Hibees1973]

What is Marciano up to just now?

Warming his erse on the bench at Feyenoord.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wasn’t there today and I’m not going to defend Marshall’s performance but this “costing us all season” stuff has come out of nowhere.

He’s made saves along the way and largely been praised for his distribution. Sure, he’s going through a dip in form but I’m not sure I’d be writing off someone with his track record after a bad month any more than we should a manager whose side is going through a dip or a striker whose goals have dried up.

He’s cost us numerous times throughout the season. It’s been raised quite a few times throughout the season and definitely isn’t something based on a bad month.

[Smartie]

Marshall's made more mistakes in the last few months than Marciano did in 5 years at Hibs.

Marciano was a good keeper and not one I’m really minded to criticise, but as good as he was he still managed to lose his place to Laidlaw and Bogdan at different times.

And as for that shank / slice of his…

[tamig]

Bring him back. We’re in desperate need of a new goalie.

Marciano is not that guy. What a rubbish thread.

[cameronw-hfc]

Marciano was a good keeper and not one I’m really minded to criticise, but as good as he was he still managed to lose his place to Laidlaw and Bogdan at different times.

And as for that shank / slice of his…


He was also at Hibs for 5 years so much more likely to have the odd dip in form compared to someone who's not even been here a season and is yet to give us a run of good games.

A lot were calling Marshall out at the start of the season, I didn't buy it at first but since the new years it's almost every week

[Paulie Walnuts]

Marciano is not that guy. What a rubbish thread.

Yes, he is.

Best keeper we’ve had in 25 years.

[cameronw-hfc]

Marciano is not that guy. What a rubbish thread.

Rocky made mistakes, but there were also times he would get us points with the saves he made, much more often than his errors. Marshall hasn't done the latter yet for us.

[MWHIBBIES]

Marciano was a good keeper and not one I’m really minded to criticise, but as good as he was he still managed to lose his place to Laidlaw and Bogdan at different times.

And as for that shank / slice of his…

When did he lose his place to Bogdan? He was injured.

Playing Laidlaw instead cost us a league cup semi.

[raeburnhibs]

had a good angle on the second free kick goal; right behind it in the East. I might be wrong, but it really didn't look like it was in the corner and it was on Marshall's side. Should have saved the Pen too, but I'lll give him the benefit on that one

[cameronw-hfc]

had a good angle on the second free kick goal; right behind it in the East. I might be wrong, but it really didn't look like it was in the corner and it was on Marshall's side. Should have saved the Pen too, but I'lll give him the benefit on that one

Looks like he steps to the wall side just before it's taken. Criminal mistake, textbook stuff. I'm teaching the 10 year olds team keeper to set his wall and trust it. Common error but one someone as experienced shouldn't make.

[Iain G]

Rather have Bogdan, much better keeper

[Smartie]

Rather have Bogdan, much better keeper

I thought he was better as well, once he got up to speed.

Pretty sure I remember him being a bit rusty when he came in from the cold once but when he got a run in the team he was excellent.

[Donegal Hibby]

Wow. :faf:

That’s some take.


Marshall’s performance certainly was, yet again.
Your take on it is just as good btw 😉 . What did he do wrong today genuine question ❓

[SaulGoodman]

Two excellently taken freekicks and a penalty and now it's all Marshall's fault . Deary me another melt down . :rolleyes:

Let’s not forget he gave away the penalty in the first place. Also the pen and the second free kick were practically pass backs.

[BoomtownHibees]

Your take on it is just as good btw 😉 . What did he do wrong today genuine question ❓

Surely that’s no a genuine question?

[Pretty Boy]

Marciano isn't the answer but neither is Marshall.

I said it a few weeks back. It's not like when we signed someone like Leighton who was past his absolute best but still worth multiple points a season to us. Marshall is both past his best and just a pretty poor keeper now.

He's slowed up, he's hesitant and that manifests itself in the poor decision making when coming of his line. Not coming when he should like against Hearts (twice) or flying out today when there is absolutely no need.

For all he's a time wasting clown compare Kelly to Marshall today. The former wa solid throughout, the defence looked comfortable around him and with a few minutes to go he comes 12-15 yards of his line and claims a cross among bodies with minimal fuss to relieve so much pressure. The defence celebrated that with him like he had scored.

[cameronw-hfc]

Marciano isn't the answer but neither is Marshall.

I said it a few weeks back. It's not like when we signed someone like Leighton who was past his absolute best but still worth multiple points a season to us. Marshall is both past his best and just a pretty poor keeper now.

He's slowed up, he's hesitant and that manifests itself in the poor decision making when coming of his line. Not coming when he should like against Hearts (twice) or flying out today when there is absolutely no need.

For all he's a time wasting clown compare Kelly to Marshall today. The former wa solid throughout, the defence looked comfortable around him and with a few minutes to go he comes 12-15 yards of his line and claims a cross among bodies with minimal fuss to relieve so much pressure. The defence celebrated that with him like he had scored.


Kelly is decent but couldn't catch a cold. Spills everything, does get to quite a lot though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Your take on it is just as good btw 😉 . What did he do wrong today genuine question ❓

I genuinely don’t mean to sound as rude as this is probably going to come across but.. are you being serious? You can’t see anything wrong with Marshall today?

[Pretty Boy]

Kelly is decent but couldn't catch a cold. Spills everything, does get to quite a lot though.

I wouldn't really want us to sign Kelly, he's no solution either.

I just think you could see which defence were comfortable with their keeper today and who wasn't.

[raeburnhibs]

I wouldn't really want us to sign Kelly, he's no solution either.

I just think you could see which defence were comfortable with their keeper today and who wasn't.

Marshall was ****, but frankly so were pretty much the entire team including the rest of the defence, the better, hungrier more cohesive team won today

[Tully]

Wow. :faf:

That’s some take.

Marshall was terrible

[Carheenlea]

Marshall’s anger by taking it out on the post after letting the ball slip under him at least suggests he’s equally frustrated as we are that goals are being conceded which may wouldn’t have when he was younger in years.

Experience is one thing, but unlike an older head outfield there is absolutely no hiding place for a goalkeeper who is still tasked with making the saves and the athleticism and physicality that goes with that.

He still makes some fine saves, but just not quite as many as he once did. It’s always a shame to see players struggle with form as they try and stretch their careers, and I’m sure David Marshall will have his head in his hands in horror when he looks back on not only the penalty but the kamikaze challenge to conceded the thing in the first place.

[Since452]

Marshall's made more mistakes in the last few months than Marciano did in 5 years at Hibs.

That just isn't true.

[Since452]

Marciano was a good keeper and not one I’m really minded to criticise, but as good as he was he still managed to lose his place to Laidlaw and Bogdan at different times.

And as for that shank / slice of his…

And Maxwell

[Paulie Walnuts]

That just isn't true.

It might not be true but it’s not far off it. He’s had a horror season.

[Criswell]

If Marshall was injured who do we have as a replacement? Whoever it is get him in now!

[Paulie Walnuts]

If Marshall was injured who do we have as a replacement? Whoever it is get him in now!

Inexplicably we only have Murray Johnson who isn’t ready for first team football.

[LewysGot2]

So disappointing today. Actually had a brilliant game two weeks ago at Celtic Park only to turn in a performance like that today. Worst bit is it was the basics...



That said...Hearts saw Marshall today and raised us a Zander. His antics at Doidgeys winning goal were keystone cop level...

[Donegal Hibby]

I genuinely don’t mean to sound as rude as this is probably going to come across but.. are you being serious? You can’t see anything wrong with Marshall today?
First goal S90+2 is perfectly placed and I don't think any keeper is saving that . 2nd one ( penalty) he's came out and yeah he's given a penalty a way and was unfortunate it went underneath , 3rd another freekick that looked like a powerful freekick that was well placed though I've only seen it once to be honest with you.

I think Marshall is a good keeper that made a mistake in giving a penalty away but that's all he did wrong imo. I'm certainly not going to crucify the guy for it either . It's only a couple of weeks ago we played Celtic and Marshall made a few good saves and the team played well . Today everyone under performed and we lost though not being rude here when that happens there does seem to be a need to blame someone for it , so far it's Marshall , LJ , JDH I've noticed are the culprits so far but there will be more before the days out . No disrespect btw mate 👍

[Northernhibee]

Rather have Bogdan, much better keeper

Second choice at Ferencvaros, and don't think he was the same player he was before.

[Trinity Hibee]

First goal S90+2 is perfectly placed and I don't think any keeper is saving that . 2nd one ( penalty) he's came out and yeah he's given a penalty a way and was unfortunate it went underneath , 3rd another freekick that looked like a powerful freekick that was well placed though I've only seen it once to be honest with you.

I think Marshall is a good keeper that made a mistake in giving a penalty away but that's all he did wrong imo. I'm certainly not going to crucify the guy for it either . It's only a couple of weeks ago we played Celtic and Marshall made a few good saves and the team played well . Today everyone under performed and we lost though not being rude here when that happens there does seem to be a need to blame someone for it , so far it's Marshall , LJ , JDH I've noticed are the culprits so far but there will be more before the days out . No disrespect btw mate 👍

Powerful!? Wow. The 3rd goal was a disgrace for any keeper to lose. Didn’t move his feet at all and it went in at his side

[Criswell]

Inexplicably we only have Murray Johnson who isn’t ready for first team football.

That is unbelievable!


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[BoomtownHibees]

First goal S90+2 is perfectly placed and I don't think any keeper is saving that . 2nd one ( penalty) he's came out and yeah he's given a penalty a way and was unfortunate it went underneath , 3rd another freekick that looked like a powerful freekick that was well placed though I've only seen it once to be honest with you.

I think Marshall is a good keeper that made a mistake in giving a penalty away but that's all he did wrong imo. I'm certainly not going to crucify the guy for it either . It's only a couple of weeks ago we played Celtic and Marshall made a few good saves and the team played well . Today everyone under performed and we lost though not being rude here when that happens there does seem to be a need to blame someone for it , so far it's Marshall , LJ , JDH I've noticed are the culprits so far but there will be more before the days out . No disrespect btw mate 👍

He was poor at the second free kick and had a brain fart when giving the penalty away. You shouldn’t ever ‘expect’ a goalie to save a penalty but when it’s as bad as the one today, you’ve got to expect better

[LewysGot2]

Powerful!? Wow. The 3rd goal was a disgrace for any keeper to lose. Didn’t move his feet at all and it went in at his side

It was definitely not powerful and on the keepers side. He didn't move feet on more than one occasion and 2nd and 3rd goals went in the same side without too much power or zip. Basics let him down

[Paulie Walnuts]

First goal S90+2 is perfectly placed and I don't think any keeper is saving that . 2nd one ( penalty) he's came out and yeah he's given a penalty a way and was unfortunate it went underneath , 3rd another freekick that looked like a powerful freekick that was well placed though I've only seen it once to be honest with you.

I think Marshall is a good keeper that made a mistake in giving a penalty away but that's all he did wrong imo. I'm certainly not going to crucify the guy for it either . It's only a couple of weeks ago we played Celtic and Marshall made a few good saves and the team played well . Today everyone under performed and we lost though not being rude here when that happens there does seem to be a need to blame someone for it , so far it's Marshall , LJ , JDH I've noticed are the culprits so far but there will be more before the days out . No disrespect btw mate 👍

The first free kick was a screamer, nothing Marshall could do about that.

If you watch the penalty back, quite why he’s even out there is anyone’s guess. There’s numerous defenders in the box, the player would be doing very well to score from the opportunity he had. It’s really bad decision making tbh. I actually didn’t even see the ball squirm under him but the concession of the penalty was bad enough.

The third thought was terrible imo. It’s on his side, imo it had little power in the grand scheme of things and wasn’t in the corner. There’s no way it should be beating him.

[hibby rae]

Let’s not forget he gave away the penalty in the first place. Also the pen and the second free kick were practically pass backs.

Tbf the outfield players sold him down the river for conceding the pen, they were a shambles during that moment of play.


I also had a great view of the 2nd freekick and, whilst he might have been at fault taking a step the other way, it was well-struck and curved right in. No guarantee he would have got it, also think unlucky for the pen, slightly less power and he's fully behind it when contact is made

[LaMotta]

That just isn't true.

I think it is. He's certainly made far more mistakes in a short space of time than Marciano ever did.

I was of course making a point to Billy who couldn't ever trust Marciano because apparently he was very error prone. Further evidence today however thst Marciano was a lot better than some people made out, because all keepers make errors.

[LaMotta]

And Maxwell

Yeah and that was an absolutely ludicrous decsion from Heckingbottom that did nothing to help keep him in the Hibs job

[SaulGoodman]

Tbf the outfield players sold him down the river for conceding the pen, they were a shambles during that moment of play.


I also had a great view of the 2nd freekick and, whilst he might have been at fault taking a step the other way, it was well-struck and curved right in. No guarantee he would have got it, also think unlucky for the pen, slightly less power and he's fully behind it when contact is made

Any less power on the penalty and the ball would’ve went backwards :greengrin

[Allant1981]

Kelly is decent but couldn't catch a cold. Spills everything, does get to quite a lot though.

Didn't spill one single ball he came for today

[gaz1875]

Tbf the outfield players sold him down the river for conceding the pen, they were a shambles during that moment of play.


I also had a great view of the 2nd freekick and, whilst he might have been at fault taking a step the other way, it was well-struck and curved right in. No guarantee he would have got it, also think unlucky for the pen, slightly less power and he's fully behind it when contact is made


The defence were terrible but he's there to make saves, and he doesn't make enough. He also has a habit of making an error at a crucial time in the game. By error I mean giving away penalties, not saving 2 penalties that he dived over, chucking one in the net, poor clearances, getting boxed in at corners, giving the ball to players that are marked All these things for an experienced keeper are costing us.

[JohnM1875]

Bring him back. We’re in desperate need of a new goalie.

Nah, he's ***** apparently 😂😂

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nah, he's ***** apparently 😂😂

Worse than Tony Caig :agree:

[Since452]

**** it bring him back. Omeonga, Oli Shaw, Efe Ambrose, McGeouch as well. Get Lenny in as manager. We'll bring back the good times.

[jacomo]

One inconsistent keeper for another inconsistent keeper? Nah. Rather we looked forward not back.


I do wonder what you see when you watch football.

Inconsistent isn’t anywhere near the list of adjectives I’d use to describe Rocky. You pretty much knew what you were getting every week: good shot stopping, not so good distribution.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I do wonder what you see when you watch football.

Inconsistent isn’t anywhere near the list of adjectives I’d use to describe Rocky. You pretty much knew what you were getting every week: good shot stopping, not so good distribution.

:agree:

Someone listed a list of Rockys mistakes in his time at Hibs. It was about 7 or 8 goals long. He was here 5 years.

You can already list that for Marshall after 3/4 of a season.

Marciano was as consistent as they come at this level.

[JohnM1875]

Free agent in the summer and him and his family love Edinburgh...

[Donegal Hibby]

Free agent in the summer and him and his family love Edinburgh...
There's a few ex- hibby's coming out of contract and one I can't stand .
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/5-ex-hibs-players-out-26624078

[tonyrougier123]

:agree:

Someone listed a list of Rockys mistakes in his time at Hibs. It was about 7 or 8 goals long. He was here 5 years.

You can already list that for Marshall after 3/4 of a season.

Marciano was as consistent as they come at this level.

Loved rocky btw.
But in slight defence of Marshall,I think the slaver has a real disregard for any type of defensive set up. And his signings and ours in defence in general leave a lot to be desired. That ultimately leads to more pressure on your keeper.

Sort the defence stop conceding so many stupid penalties and free kicks with a free shot on goal and maybe the keepers will have a fighting chance of keeping the ball out the net.

[Haymaker]

**** it bring him back. Omeonga, Oli Shaw, Efe Ambrose, McGeouch as well. Get Lenny in as manager. We'll bring back the good times.Firm agree. Bring back Griffiths as well while we are at it.

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[Jamesie]

Marciano has this evening posted an Instagram story containing his Hibs highlight reel. Still looks to be under contract in Israel, so maybe nothing in it - bit of an odd thing to do out of the blue, though….

[Stokesy's on fire]

Marciano has this evening posted an Instagram story containing his Hibs highlight reel. Still looks to be under contract in Israel, so maybe nothing in it - bit of an odd thing to do out of the blue, though….

Would love to get him back

[BoltonHibee]

The transfer window in Israel is still open. Mid Sept I think ?


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[HoboHarry]

The transfer window in Israel is still open. Mid Sept I think ?


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Maybe misunderstanding you but ours is shut so we can't sign him.

[Just_Jimmy]

Maybe misunderstanding you but ours is shut so we can't sign him.We can, he just can't be registered to play I believe.

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[HoboHarry]

We can, he just can't be registered to play I believe.

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Agreed, I was talking about him playing.

[JimBHibees]

Marciano has this evening posted an Instagram story containing his Hibs highlight reel. Still looks to be under contract in Israel, so maybe nothing in it - bit of an odd thing to do out of the blue, though….

Maybe reading Hibs net 😄

[Callum_62]

Maybe misunderstanding you but ours is shut so we can't sign him.Surely if he's freed during their current window we can sign him as a free agent?

Or do we only class free agents as anyone in the world freed by the close of our window (which would be silly)

Edit - that's exactly what we do it seems

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[Lendo]

Free agent in the summer and him and his family love Edinburgh...

We should spend whatever it takes to bring Shelly Marciano back to Edinburgh

[superfurryhibby]

We should spend whatever it takes to bring Shelly Marciano back to Edinburgh

:rolleyes:

[BoltonHibee]

Maybe misunderstanding you but ours is shut so we can't sign him.

I’m sure we can still get players on loan if their windows are still open, no?


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[Hibernian Verse]

I’m sure we can still get players on loan if their windows are still open, no?


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No our window is closed

[Centre Hawf]

Would love big Rocky back, even if it was for a season. But I think the reality is a guy who is 35 in a few weeks back in his home country is probably seeing out the last of his career with him and his family in comfort.

[eastmainsmsh]

Think Rocky will be back one day

[overdrive]

Marciano has this evening posted an Instagram story containing his Hibs highlight reel. Still looks to be under contract in Israel, so maybe nothing in it - bit of an odd thing to do out of the blue, though….

It was him sharing a post someone else made and tagged him in on. Think it was a case of him just sharing something that made him look good

[HoboHarry]

I’m sure we can still get players on loan if their windows are still open, no?


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No, if Rocky signed for us today we couldn't play him until January when the next window opens. If he had been a free agent when the summer window closed in Scotland that would be a different matter but he's still under contract I believe.

[overdrive]

No, if Rocky signed for us today we couldn't play him until January when the next window opens. If he had been a free agent when the summer window closed in Scotland that would be a different matter but he's still under contract I believe.

Yep. For a Hibs example see Jonatan Johansson. He was with Malmo and became a free agent at the end of their season in early November. Signed for us mid-November but couldn’t register/play for us until the January window opened.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Rocky Marciano simply makes sense we have to be considering him now

[Cooshed Kid]

It's entirely academic as I'm sure the club will stick with its current lineup of keepers, but Bogdan is a free agent, not retired as has been suggested. He has barely played since leaving us but we know his class. Or at least some of us remember him being really good, some remember otherwise. I wouldn't mind at all having Rocky back, if it were possible, because his shot-stopping was phenomenal but some awful distribution howler was never that far away. Bogdan looked to me to be the more rounded and dependable of the two once his first couple of games were out of the way and he had established a better understanding with his defence.

[eastmainsmsh]

Marcianos Love Edinburgh wouldn’t rule anything out

[Winston Ingram]

We can, he just can't be registered to play I believe.

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Why would we do that? We'd have to pay a big fee and then pay him for 3 months before we could use him.

[1van Sprou7e]

Would love big Rocky back, even if it was for a season. But I think the reality is a guy who is 35 in a few weeks back in his home country is probably seeing out the last of his career with him and his family in comfort.

His country will soon be fighting a war on multiple fronts

[MWHIBBIES]

Why would we do that? We'd have to pay a big fee and then pay him for 3 months before we could use him.

We wouldn't pay him anything till his contract started on January 1st. He would still be working for his current side until then.

[PHeffernan]

Marciano is only a year into a 3 year contract. He ain't getting sprung from that by Hibs without serious money being exchanged. No happenin'

[Stokesy's on fire]

It's entirely academic as I'm sure the club will stick with its current lineup of keepers, but Bogdan is a free agent, not retired as has been suggested. He has barely played since leaving us but we know his class. Or at least some of us remember him being really good, some remember otherwise. I wouldn't mind at all having Rocky back, if it were possible, because his shot-stopping was phenomenal but some awful distribution howler was never that far away. Bogdan looked to me to be the more rounded and dependable of the two once his first couple of games were out of the way and he had established a better understanding with his defence.

Bogdan was deffo a level above another class keeper. We had two great options at one stage.

[HoboHarry]

We wouldn't pay him anything till his contract started on January 1st. He would still be working for his current side until then.
If he isn't within the final 6 months of his contract he can't sign a pre-contract agreement and as such he can't sign for two teams at the same time.

[MWHIBBIES]

If he isn't within the final 6 months of his contract he can't sign a pre-contract agreement and as such he can't sign for two teams at the same time.

Yes. I know. So he'd be signing an agreement now to join Hibs on the 1st of January.

You can agree to sign players any time. Their contract with the new club would begin and the transfer would go through at the next available date.

Hibs bid tomorrow, Rocky's club accepts, we agree contract starting from 1st Jan, he joins 1st Jan. Still plays and trains with current club until then.

I guess this is the problem with media calling it the transfer window. It's not. It's a registration window.

[HoboHarry]

Yes. I know. So he'd be signing an agreement now to join Hibs on the 1st of January.

You can agree to sign players any time. Their contract with the new club would begin and the transfer would go through at the next available date.

Hibs bid tomorrow, Rocky's club accepts, we agree contract starting from 1st Jan, he joins 1st Jan. Still plays and trains with current club until then.

I guess this is the problem with media calling it the transfer window. It's not. It's a registration window.
Can you give actual examples of when this has happened with other players? Where actual legally binding contracts have been signed outside the transfer window and while the player is still outwith the 6 month grace period for signing a pre-contract agreement?

[Just_Jimmy]

Why would we do that? We'd have to pay a big fee and then pay him for 3 months before we could use him.I didn't say we would, or should. I said we could.

It's a technicality anyway.

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[MWHIBBIES]

Can you give actual examples of when this has happened with other players? Where actual legally binding contracts have been signed outside the transfer window and while the player is still outwith the 6 month grace period for signing a pre-contract agreement?

Yes.

https://fcbayern.com/en/news/2021/02/fc-bayern-sign-dayot-upamecano

Strange this is news to people. It's nothing knew. You can agree to sign players any time.

[Centre Hawf]

Yes.

https://fcbayern.com/en/news/2021/02/fc-bayern-sign-dayot-upamecano

Strange this is news to people. It's nothing knew. You can agree to sign players any time.

Barcelona did this a few times when under their transfer embargo with Arda Turan. He left Atletico and trained with Barcelona but was unable to play for 6 months or so as he was unregistered. Same for work permits, plenty of players haven't received one and can be owned by the club but not registered to play but usually go out on loan elsewhere.

[MWHIBBIES]

Barcelona did this a few times when under their transfer embargo with Arda Turan. He left Atletico and trained with Barcelona but was unable to play for 6 months or so as he was unregistered. Same for work permits, plenty of players haven't received one and can be owned by the club but not registered to play but usually go out on loan elsewhere.

This isn't about a player training with the new club, though.

Hibs could agree a deal to sign say, Simon Murray, right now. 500k, 5 k a week. He would still be Dundees player to use until January 1st when he'd join Hibs. His Hibs contract would begin then.

He could in theory also join now and train but couldn't play as you say. It's a total myth you can't sign players in advance. Can sign anyone anytime.

[overdrive]

Yes.

https://fcbayern.com/en/news/2021/02/fc-bayern-sign-dayot-upamecano

Strange this is news to people. It's nothing knew. You can agree to sign players any time.

And for a Hibs example, Scott Brown, albeit it wasn’t months we were talking about. Signed for Celtic on 16/05/07. Played for Hibs vs Celtic on 20/05/07.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/may/16/newsstory.sport6?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/6667605.stm

[HoboHarry]

This isn't about a player training with the new club, though.

Hibs could agree a deal to sign say, Simon Murray, right now. 500k, 5 k a week. He would still be Dundees player to use until January 1st when he'd join Hibs. His Hibs contract would begin then.

He could in theory also join now and train but couldn't play as you say. It's a total myth you can't sign players in advance. Can sign anyone anytime.
An agreement to sign is a long way from signing a legally binding contract. To use Simon Murray as your example, his contract wouldn't start until January so it's an agreement to sign unless you're telling us that both Dundee and Hibs are paying him simultaneously. The other obvious question is would Hibs be liable for his wages for the duration of his agreed contract if he were to sustain a career ending injury in the interim period? Further - if he got injured while training with us, who would Dundee seek damages from?

[MWHIBBIES]

An agreement to sign is a long way from signing a legally binding contract. To use Simon Murray as your example, his contract wouldn't start until January so it's an agreement to sign unless you're telling us that both Dundee and Hibs are paying him simultaneously. The other obvious question is would Hibs be liable for his wages for the duration of his agreed contract if he were to sustain a career ending injury in the interim period? Further - if he got injured while training with us, who would Dundee seek damages from?

Listen, I've given you the example. Upamecano joins Bayern from the 1st of July but deal is fully agreed in February, signed and announced.

He would not be getting paid by Dundee and Hibs. He'd be a Dundee player and under contract with Dundee until he became a Hibs player on the 1st of January.

If for some dumb reason we wanted the player now, we wouldn't be able to register them (with the league, to play matches) so they would simply train with us. In that case, he would've started his Hibs contract and wouldn't be a Dundee player any further. Hibs would be paying him.

I really don't understand how you aren't getting that you can sign a legally binding contract that begins on a future date. Not an agreement. An actual contract.

Of course Hibs would be liable for his wages if he got injured. He would become a Hibs player on the 1st of January, and we would begin paying him then, injured or not.

[HoboHarry]

Listen, I've given you the example. Upamecano joins Bayern from the 1st of July but deal is fully agreed in February, signed and announced.

He would not be getting paid by Dundee and Hibs. He'd be a Dundee player and under contract with Dundee until he became a Hibs player on the 1st of January.

If for some dumb reason we wanted the player now, we wouldn't be able to register them (with the league, to play matches) so they would simply train with us. In that case, he would've started his Hibs contract and wouldn't be a Dundee player any further. Hibs would be paying him.

I really don't understand how you aren't getting that you can sign a legally binding contract that begins on a future date. Not an agreement. An actual contract.
I was going to reply but I lost the will to live.

[MWHIBBIES]

I was going to reply but I lost the will to live.

Okay. Rest in peace 👍