Scottish football's 150 days of VAR

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't know how everyone else feels about VAR but I hate it . The worst part of it is when your team scores it's killed that one moment of elation you feel , now you don't know if it's a goal till it's checked even watching a game as a neutral it's not the same .its a absolute kill joy . I know it corrected the referee's mistake in giving the penalty but we had 8 minutes added on in the first half and another 7 at the end , 15 minutes added on in total . Crazy .
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/scottish-footballs-150-days-of-var-tedium-disruption-fan-responsibility-what-is-the-answer-4072356

[ChilliEater]

I like VAR. I hate the people using it :wink:

The best thing about it should be that all the big, game changing decisions are right. The actual best thing about it is the way it is highlighting the bias and corrupton in Scottish football. What needs to happen next is that something happens about the bias and corruption.

[Trinity Hibee]

Agree with both posts above really. I don’t like the way VAR has impacted the flow of the game and killed the joy of a goal as I fear it’s going to be chalked off for something minuscule.

However, VAR SHOULD mean the big calls are correct but as we know with our referees it appears they take a different view on decisions when 2 certain clubs are involved.

Overall so far I don’t like it but say we were to get referees from outside Scotland to manage it and see where we get to that might see a decent improvement.

[Edina Street]

I don't know how everyone else feels about VAR but I hate it . The worst part of it is when your team scores it's killed that one moment of elation you feel , now you don't know if it's a goal till it's checked even watching a game as a neutral it's not the same .its a absolute kill joy . I know it corrected the referee's mistake in giving the penalty but we had 8 minutes added on in the first half and another 7 at the end , 15 minutes added on in total . Crazy .
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/scottish-footballs-150-days-of-var-tedium-disruption-fan-responsibility-what-is-the-answer-4072356

I am a supporter of VAR, and have always been an advocate for cameras at football matches. I understand that there are teething issues with the current set up, however VAR is in its infancy and needs improving on, not abandoning. My longterm hope would be to see cameras used to referee an entire match, and do away with the requirement of referees entirely, so that we can enjoy a completely fair and unbiased game of football.

But you just need to watch this short YouTube video to understand why we require cameras.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF95JOxsWq0

26555

[Nutmegged]

I'm in favour of VAR but would prefer if we use it more like Tennis, managers get three challenges a game, maximum of two per half and if their challenge is approved then they get to keep it.

I also think we need to mic the refs up and be far more transparent to fans inside stadiums.

[Donegal Hibby]

I am a supporter of VAR, and have always been an advocate for cameras at football matches. I understand that there are teething issues with the current set up, however VAR is in its infancy and needs improving on, not abandoning. My longterm hope would be to see cameras used to referee an entire match, and do away with the requirement of referees entirely, so that we can enjoy a completely fair and unbiased game of football.

But you just need to watch this short YouTube video to understand why we require cameras.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF95JOxsWq0

26555
I understand why people would support VAR when you see Griffith's goal and the Maradona handball though there's still blatant handballs being allowed with VAR in the game now . There's certainly teething issues with the current setup with VAR big ones imo , while in its infancy we have had it in our game coming up to 22 weeks and there's been little or no sign improvement with it , in fact most weeks instead of talking about the actual football we are talking about decision or the lack of them because of VAR .

Your long-term hope of cameras being used to refereeing entire matches and doing away with referee's entirely is a very interesting thought though the skeptical side of me thinks if the SFA done that they would just put Beaton, Walsh, McLean and the rest of the Muppets in charge of watching the cameras and we are back to incompetent or biased decision again . For me the biggest thing is it kills that moment of joy , celebration when your team scores a goal , decision's getting checked are taking 3, 4, 5 or 6 minutes to decide while fans are in the stands wondering what's going on. Personally I hate VAR and am sorry to see it come into Scottish football , I don't know if many feel the same way but if there was a vote today to keep it or do get rid of it , I'd be voting to get rid .

[Eyrie]

VAR is meant to be for clear and obvious decisions.

So allow the VAR official one look from each angle and if they can't see the reason immediately then the call on the field stands.

The check would be over in less time than it takes to celebrate a goal/blame a defender.

[Bobby's Cinema]

VAR is meant to be for clear and obvious decisions.

So allow the VAR official one look from each angle and if they can't see the reason immediately then the call on the field stands.

The check would be over in less time than it takes to celebrate a goal/blame a defender.
That's how we all want it to be. It seems to be an issue the fact that the images are out there for use by the officials. So they take time to scrutinise everything - they must be thinking imagine the uproar if we have the pictures and get it wrong - so instead pour over it. They want everything has to be clear cut right and wrong - even if it kills the spirit of the game and experience in the stands. With so much money in the game and betting industry everywhere sadly I don't see it going back to a time where the technology is stripped back. I don't think people with influence would accept it. It's only going to get more involved.

Hate the way it's going with soft non-fouls and defenders being penalised constantly for stupid incidents where they haven't gained any kind of advantage whatsoever. Concerning for anyone like me that can't be arsed debating decisions and just wants to enjoy the football being played.

[percy veer]

That's how we all want it to be. It seems to be an issue the fact that the images are out there for use by the officials. So they take time to scrutinise everything - they must be thinking imagine the uproar if we have the pictures and get it wrong - so instead pour over it. They want everything has to be clear cut right and wrong - even if it kills the spirit of the game and experience in the stands. With so much money in the game and betting industry everywhere sadly I don't see it going back to a time where the technology is stripped back. I don't think people with influence would accept it. It's only going to get more involved.

Hate the way it's going with soft non-fouls and defenders being penalised constantly for stupid incidents where they haven't gained any kind of advantage whatsoever. Concerning for anyone like me that can't be arsed debating decisions and just wants to enjoy the football being played.


im getting there aswell absolutley sick of games now being decided by somone waiting for minimal contact and buying a pen, id bring in indirect free kicks for these instances now.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i never watch highlights but saw this on the bbc sports page Dundee United to request SPFL & SFA talks on VAR - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65014326)


curtis main should be freakin ashamed of himself, he's a cheat end of

[Donegal Hibby]

i never watch highlights but saw this on the bbc sports page Dundee United to request SPFL & SFA talks on VAR - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65014326)


curtis main should be freakin ashamed of himself, he's a cheat end of
Another article about VAR specialist being considered .
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65031181

If anyone that's watching VAR or even looks at it and can't see that it's a dive then it's time they give up !!! .
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12837384/dundee-united-1-1-st-mirren-scottish-premiership-highlights

[Eyrie]

im getting there aswell absolutley sick of games now being decided by somone waiting for minimal contact and buying a pen, id bring in indirect free kicks for these instances now.

I'd go further.

If there is contact but the fouled player exaggerates it (Colak earlier this season) then I'd cancel the penalty and award the defending team a free kick. I'd do that anywhere on the pitch to cut down on the cheating. Within reason, football is a contact sport.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Hate it.

I’d have goal-line technology only.., at least that’s decided within a couple of seconds.

sadly VAR is here to stay no matter what any of us think about it but it has certainly reduced my enjoyment of the game

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Hate it up here so far. Not helped by the fact we’ve been on the end of a few horrific decisions whilst those closest to us in the league have benefited. Honestly believe we’d be sitting third by a few points if it hadn’t been parachuted in mid season

[1875Sean]

Hate it, gets far too involved, supposed to be clear and obvious, should look at how it’s get used in rugby, minimum disruption

[Diclonius]

I just know that the next time we score against Hearts I'm not going to be able to celebrate it until I know it's been given. That's enough for me to hate it tbh.

[Donegal Hibby]

Var is having a few teething problems, no s*** Sherlock !! Picture is of a rangers fan who thinks it's a karaoke machine and his waiting for his favourite song 'the billy boys ' to come up 😂😂.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/what-scottish-fa-chief-ian-maxwell-said-about-var-as-he-defends-technology-and-talks-teething-issues-4091021

[Diclonius]

I am a supporter of VAR, and have always been an advocate for cameras at football matches. I understand that there are teething issues with the current set up, however VAR is in its infancy and needs improving on, not abandoning. My longterm hope would be to see cameras used to referee an entire match, and do away with the requirement of referees entirely, so that we can enjoy a completely fair and unbiased game of football.

But you just need to watch this short YouTube video to understand why we require cameras.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF95JOxsWq0

26555

After watching VAR implemented the way it has been up here I'm not convinced that Griffiths goal would even be given.

[Trinity Hibee]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/andy-walker-says-var-officials-interfered-to-give-ref-easy-way-out-of-decision

Some may wish to take this with a pinch of salt but would it surprise anyone if it was true?

[Kato]

but would it surprise anyone if it was true?

No.

I'd go further and say applying the rules properly isn't their main concern. Thinking how it effects a certain team or the health of their glazing is at the forefront.

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[heretoday]

Scrap it. If one of the intentions was to take the pressure off the refs, it hasn't worked.
It's worse if anything.

[HibbyAndy]

Absolutely ****ing hate it !! Can't celebrate a goal properly

[Donegal Hibby]

Absolutely ****ing hate it !! Can't celebrate a goal properly
100% agree it spoils the moment totally.

[Smartie]

I was entirely in favour of it in principle, tbf I still am, but the execution of it in Scotland has been so dreadful I’d be axing it asap.

[Donegal Hibby]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/andy-walker-says-var-officials-interfered-to-give-ref-easy-way-out-of-decision

Some may wish to take this with a pinch of salt but would it surprise anyone if it was true?
SFA seek skysports VAR talks .
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/sfa-seek-sky-sports-var-talks-after-easy-way-out-claims-from-former-celtic-star-and-pundit-4094635

[Trinity Hibee]

SFA seek skysports VAR talks .
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/sfa-seek-sky-sports-var-talks-after-easy-way-out-claims-from-former-celtic-star-and-pundit-4094635

Think it should be the other way round

[marinello59]

Absolutely ****ing hate it !! Can't celebrate a goal properly

:agree:
I didn’t want it before it was brought in , it’s actually turned out worse than I imagined it would.

[archie]

I am a supporter of VAR, and have always been an advocate for cameras at football matches. I understand that there are teething issues with the current set up, however VAR is in its infancy and needs improving on, not abandoning. My longterm hope would be to see cameras used to referee an entire match, and do away with the requirement of referees entirely, so that we can enjoy a completely fair and unbiased game of football.

But you just need to watch this short YouTube video to understand why we require cameras.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF95JOxsWq0

26555

Leaving aside the VAR issue, what a hit!

[gbhibby]

https://images.app.goo.gl/qJjRDng22ohvoY338
I have found the location where the VAR refs look at the screens.

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[Bushwoof]

Properly hate it. The last game against der Hun had very little to enjoy, and couldn't really celebrate our goal, as it went in through a ruck of players and so had to wait for VA******R to say when we could cheer. And it's done nothing to improve the decision making (cf the Rangers 429 pen awards already this season, and the race to have Celtc catch up since that position became untenable).

Get rid now.

[s.a.m]

Properly hate it. The last game against der Hun had very little to enjoy, and couldn't really celebrate our goal, as it went in through a ruck of players and so had to wait for VA******R to say when we could cheer. And it's done nothing to improve the decision making (cf the Rangers 429 pen awards already this season, and the race to have Celtc catch up since that position became untenable).

Get rid now.

All of this. Plus, as others have said, it a) seems to have made it harder rather than easier for refs, who now look scared of decision making, and b) You wouldn't have any confidence that they'd get the big decisions right.

I'd be happy to see it kept for goal line decisions and maybe for potential cases of serious foul play, but if it's taking more than half a minute, I'm not sure how you can call it 'clear and obvious', and in that case the original decision should stand. I'm prepared to take the occasional big mistake hit, rather than having the game micro-managed by camera angles, read by nervous referees.

Also, if it's being kept, I'd have the offside rule changed to something like 'whole body plus daylight'.

[archie]

All of this. Plus, as others have said, it a) seems to have made it harder rather than easier for refs, who now look scared of decision making, and b) You wouldn't have any confidence that they'd get the big decisions right.

I'd be happy to see it kept for goal line decisions and maybe for potential cases of serious foul play, but if it's taking more than half a minute, I'm not sure how you can call it 'clear and obvious', and in that case the original decision should stand. I'm prepared to take the occasional big mistake hit, rather than having the game micro-managed by camera angles, read by nervous referees.

Also, if it's being kept, I'd have the offside rule changed to something like 'whole body plus daylight'.

There's an argument in tennis that the challenge system makes umpires less likely to make tough decisions.

[Musselbound]

I was entirely in favour of it in principle, tbf I still am, but the execution of it in Scotland has been so dreadful I’d be axing it asap.

That's pretty much where I am. Probably here to stay but I wouldn't be sorry to see it go. Some of the decisions have been dreadful and the clear bias in favour of Rangers seems even worse now than before it came in.