That’s me finished with Scottish refs

[dastardly8]

Absolutely ridiculous decision of a red card , cheating of the highest order pathetic , we should just boycott playing the old firm , helping hand from refs in every bloody game

[AL-Qaholik]

Just walk off. Take a forfeit and a 3 nil loss.
Make a point. Take a stand.

[MartinfaePorty]

Can't even appeal it, as it was a yellow

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[hfcok]

If that was an old firm game, none of them would have been yellow cards.

[bringbackbenny]

It's hard enough with them having a 100 x the budget, do they really need the refs in their back pocket as well?

[Helensburghhibs]

High foot at knee height. If you don't see something it can be justified..... if you see something that didn't actually happen it can only be cheating

[GonzoReturns]

Either absolute corrupt to the core or the most incompetent people either way they are a disgrace. And as always nothing will be said.

[blackpoolhibs]

thats as clear a penalty as you will see.

[blackpoolhibs]

He did not want to give that the prick

[SHODAN]

How you feeling now mate?

[HH81]

How you feeling now mate?

Plenty of time to make sure he gives them one or two extra decisions and avoids any hate from their fans

[tamig]

Absolutely ridiculous decision of a red card , cheating of the highest order pathetic , we should just boycott playing the old firm , helping hand from refs in every bloody game

What does being finished with Scottish refs actually mean? What do you intend to do? Genuinely interested. I’ve never been a big fan of them myself but it is what it is.

[Montford]

There’s zero accountability
Any other walk of life there would be a demotion
Should be consigned to the juniors for a few months after that

[Steven79]

There’s zero accountability
Any other walk of life there would be a demotion
Should be consigned to the juniors for a few months after thatWhy should they get lumbered with that clown? He isn't fit to ref U15 football.

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[Trinity Hibee]

What does being finished with Scottish refs actually mean? What do you intend to do? Genuinely interested. I’ve never been a big fan of them myself but it is what it is.

Think he’s pissed off and you can’t blame him.

[Hibs07p]

Definitely a ridiculous decision, but I think he's one of the fairest we've got. Still got credit in the bank due to his refereeing in our Scottish cup winning final.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[neil7908]

Marshall has to save that. A red card and a penalty for Celtic - who would have guessed?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Definitely a ridiculous decision, but I think he's one of the fairest we've got. Still got credit in the bank due to his refereeing in our Scottish cup winning final.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016


and he’s actually a rangers supporting physio - my mate is one of his clients.

[Pagan Hibernia]

How you feeling now mate?

giving us a deserved penalty makes no difference to the OP’s original post.

we’ve still played 85 minutes (inc stoppage time) a man down and lost the game

[SHODAN]

How you feeling now mate?

You know what, I'll answer this one for myself.

It's transparently cheating and I won't be convinced otherwise after that.

[Trinity Hibee]

You know what, I'll answer this one for myself.

It's transparently cheating and I won't be convinced otherwise after that.

Agreed. It’s been done to death but not sure what the point in this league is anymore. Obscene decisions given to these 2 teams even with VAR

[LaMotta]

I really hope Johnson comes out and is strong in his post match interview. It needs to be called out today. Remaining silent this season has done us no favours.

[cameronw-hfc]

Marshall has to save that. A red card and a penalty for Celtic - who would have guessed?

I've been a big critic of Marshall but I don't think a GK should ever save a penalty. It's a bonus if he does, he was very unlucky. Unless hes caught it and thrown it in I think it's very very harsh from a pen and petty much never the keepers fault if he doesn't save it.

[Unseen work]

Just posted in another thread that the sending off and second penalties are genuinely awful decisions.

You can’t tell me that’s anything other than cheating.

Would Kyogo get sent off for that and would we get a pen if Youan missed a one on one?

Not a hope.

Pretty sure a Celtic player handled it just before the third goal

I can see Johnson being scathing of McLean in his post match interview

[Hibs4185]

We need professional referees. Training every day and getting paid appropriately. If it’s their full time job then they aren’t going to trial being unemployed.

[JimBHibees]

Definitely a ridiculous decision, but I think he's one of the fairest we've got. Still got credit in the bank due to his refereeing in our Scottish cup winning final.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

Never given a decision to us since. Ludicrous performance and not just the main ones. Four or five very clear fouls for Hibs ignored. The one when Hanlon has a head knock Miller is clearly fouled and he plays on wtaf

[Pretty Boy]

The sending off was cheating.

It was arguably a foul to Hibs for the bodyslam that preceded the 'high foot'. No honest referee can look at that and deem it a booking.

[A Hi-Bee]

We need professional referees. Training every day and getting paid appropriately. If it’s their full time job then they aren’t going to trial being unemployed.

Naw we just need to get shot of the 2 cheecks, then the game could grow it may take a year or so, but the games would be much better for sure. The 2 cheecks could find games over in Ireland one in the north and one in the south get rid o them.

[CL0762]

I've been a big critic of Marshall but I don't think a GK should ever save a penalty. It's a bonus if he does, he was very unlucky. Unless hes caught it and thrown it in I think it's very very harsh from a pen and petty much never the keepers fault if he doesn't save it.

Granted my view from behind a pillar was somewhat obscured, it seemed as if the ball went underneath him?

[cameronw-hfc]

Granted my view from behind a pillar was somewhat obscured, it seemed as if the ball went underneath him?

It did, but half the battle is picking the right side, if a keeper does that and doesn't save it, I just refuse to blame the keeper. Realistically a pen should be scored, so I thought he done well to go the right way and was just unlucky it beat him.

Keep in mind when diving for a pen you need to go mid height to cover high and low, low and hard often squeezes in due to that.

[KeithTheHibby]

Definitely a ridiculous decision, but I think he's one of the fairest we've got. Still got credit in the bank due to his refereeing in our Scottish cup winning final.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

What exactly did he give us in the final that we didn’t deserve?

He was ****ing hopeless / corrupt today.
The decision to send off Youan was a disgrace especially as he was fouled initially and he got 2 penalty awards wrong and needed var to overturn.

He was a disgrace today, pure and simple.

[delbert]

What exactly did he give us in the final that we didn’t deserve?

He was ****ing hopeless / corrupt today.
The decision to send off Youan was a disgrace especially as he was fouled initially and he got 2 penalty awards wrong and needed var to overturn.

He was a disgrace today, pure and simple.

Have pointed this out before and worth saying again, the only referees officiating in the Scottish Premier League come from Glasgow, Lanarkshire and Renfrewshire, all other Associations have been sidelined. Plus Steven McLean, failed as a FIFA ref and was binned but good enough for the Scottish top flight. Andrew Dallas, failed as a FIFA ref but still employed, VAR at Ibrox today, check it out. Alan Muir, failed as a FIFA referee a decade ago, now has 20 seasons under his belt at Grade One despite being binned. A league stacked with failures to help bolster a failing system.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What’s the point?

This is my last season. An absolute waste of time.

[HoboHarry]

We need professional referees. Training every day and getting paid appropriately. If it’s their full time job then they aren’t going to trial being unemployed.

That won't help, it'll still be same organisation employing them, aided and abetted by the same old silence from all of the other clubs and to top it all we have Ian Maxwell (stop laughing at the back) telling us that Scottish football is in fine shape.

[The Harp Awakes]

Absolutely ridiculous decision of a red card , cheating of the highest order pathetic , we should just boycott playing the old firm , helping hand from refs in every bloody game

Can't disagree. Little point in turning up at their grounds now. Even if their players don't turn us over, the refs and VAR will oblige.

Corruption abounds.

[overdrive]

I see Ben K had a square go with the powers at be over this crap after the match

[franck sauzee]

Just posted in another thread that the sending off and second penalties are genuinely awful decisions.

You can’t tell me that’s anything other than cheating.

Would Kyogo get sent off for that and would we get a pen if Youan missed a one on one?

Not a hope.

Pretty sure a Celtic player handled it just before the third goal

I can see Johnson being scathing of McLean in his post match interview

Pretty sure it was a handball as well. Think it was Callum McGregor handles it into his path. Campbell I think it was screaming at the ref for the free kick. McLean was a disgrace. Worst refereeing performance for many a year and that's saying something!

[Just_Jimmy]

Scottish football is bent.

I'd be as well just making that my username the amount of time I repeat it.

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[Salisbury Hibby]

Marshall has to save that. A red card and a penalty for Celtic - who would have guessed?If Marshall had saved that, it wouldn't surprise me if some reason was found for a retake.

Just by the way, my first thought after the Scottish Cup winner was worry that it might be disallowed.

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[BILLYHIBS]

If Marshall had saved that, it wouldn't surprise me if some reason was found for a retake.

Just by the way, my first thought after the Scottish Cup winner was worry that it might be disallowed.

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Probably the last time McLean gave us a decision

Oh that and the later free kick that should have been for The Rangers in stoppage time

[McGruber]

What exactly did he give us in the final that we didn’t deserve?

He was ****ing hopeless / corrupt today.
The decision to send off Youan was a disgrace especially as he was fouled initially and he got 2 penalty awards wrong and needed var to overturn.

He was a disgrace today, pure and simple.

He got 3 penalty awards wrong.
Never gave ours despite looking right at it.
Gave theirs not looking at it. Gave them their second one when the ground tackled the boy 2 yards before Marshall clearly saves the ball when he is 50 yards away.
Neither Celtic's penalties were correct. Their first one Carter Vickers pins Hanlon's arm to con the referee.

The questions Hibs should be asking for a response to is:-
Why is VAR not checked for their 1st penalty? Why has he given it without looking at it? Why does our man get booked for giving away a penalty and their man doesn't?
Why give no foul for the second Youan booking but react later and change his mind?

[McGruber]

I remember Celtic having a dodgy penalty given against them up at Dundee Untied under Lennon. They went radge after the game and the linesman was out of a job

[Viva_Palmeiras]

What’s the point?

This is my last season. An absolute waste of time.

a varce even :) sorry couldn’t resist -

[please no descending into “pun-a-geddon”]

[JimBHibees]

Pretty sure it was a handball as well. Think it was Callum McGregor handles it into his path. Campbell I think it was screaming at the ref for the free kick. McLean was a disgrace. Worst refereeing performance for many a year and that's saying something!

It was the Canadian right back Johnston who handled it in build up to goal three.

[Chorley Hibee]

I said this in another thread.

It's not just the major decisions either (pens, sending off).

I lost count yesterday how many times a Hibs player was fouled, yet it was ignored, only for every slightest contact on a Celtic player to result in an immediate decision in their favour.

Add on every debatable corner/throw in going their way too and it's a catalogue of decisions designed to make sure there will only be one winner.

He gave Celtic a corner in the first half that hit off 2 Celtic players before going out for what should have been a goal kick! I couldn't help but laugh that it's become so blatant.

[B.H.F.C]

I said this in another thread.

It's not just the major decisions either (pens, sending off).

I lost count yesterday how many times a Hibs player was fouled, yet it was ignored, only for every slightest contact on a Celtic player to result in an immediate decision in their favour.

Add on every debatable corner/throw in going their way too and it's a catalogue of decisions designed to make sure there will only be one winner.

He gave Celtic a corner in the first half that hit off 2 Celtic players before going out for what should have been a goal kick! I couldn't help but laugh that it's become so blatant.

The linesman down next to the Hibs end was shocking. Maeda must have been offside, quite clearly as well, three or four times but no flag. Second half, first ball forward we played, flag up. There was one right towards the end where the ball must have been about a yard out for a throw to us but let them play on.

After we got the penalty, they gave us absolutely nothing. It never gave us a chance to breathe and just let Celtic come at us relentlessly. Think the players deserve a lot of credit for coming so close to getting something yesterday with everything that went against us.

[Libby Hibby]

I know a lot of people have said this in the past, me included.

But it’s cheating, nothing more, nothing less than simple cheating.

[JimBHibees]

I said this in another thread.

It's not just the major decisions either (pens, sending off).

I lost count yesterday how many times a Hibs player was fouled, yet it was ignored, only for every slightest contact on a Celtic player to result in an immediate decision in their favour.

Add on every debatable corner/throw in going their way too and it's a catalogue of decisions designed to make sure there will only be one winner.

He gave Celtic a corner in the first half that hit off 2 Celtic players before going out for what should have been a goal kick! I couldn't help but laugh that it's become so blatant.

Mentioned this in a post yesterday not just the major ones but clear Hibs fouls ignored. One on Jeggo where Carter vickers clears him out, play on. Incredible one when Hanlon down with head knock in the box Miller then clearly fouled plays on. That performance was bent on so many levels.

[500miles]

If Ben Kensell really wants to, he could just have match officials parking outside the west stand.

[neil7908]

I said this in another thread.

It's not just the major decisions either (pens, sending off).

I lost count yesterday how many times a Hibs player was fouled, yet it was ignored, only for every slightest contact on a Celtic player to result in an immediate decision in their favour.

Add on every debatable corner/throw in going their way too and it's a catalogue of decisions designed to make sure there will only be one winner.

He gave Celtic a corner in the first half that hit off 2 Celtic players before going out for what should have been a goal kick! I couldn't help but laugh that it's become so blatant.

This is a really good point actually. Our sending off is a great example. As we've seen today, VAR won't solve our problems but it makes it harder for refs to give the OF ludicrously favourable decisions.

But our sending off of course isn't covered by VAR, so can't be looked at again (what a daft rule BTW).

So rather than directly sending off opposition players, it'll be lots of fouls given the OFs way, lots of yellows handed out, and a huge amount of small decisions over the game, like extra time, that add up. And anything decision that does go to VAR that is even close to 50/50 will be given their way.

It's a thoroughly depressing time in Scottish football and I'm afraid I don't think we'll ever handle the problem of bias referring. Only option is to remove the OF entirely.

[neil7908]

It did, but half the battle is picking the right side, if a keeper does that and doesn't save it, I just refuse to blame the keeper. Realistically a pen should be scored, so I thought he done well to go the right way and was just unlucky it beat him.

Keep in mind when diving for a pen you need to go mid height to cover high and low, low and hard often squeezes in due to that.

Don't want to derail the thread, and I don't think it was a shocking error by Marshall but personally I think you are giving a bit too much credit for picking the right side - that imo is largely down to luck. But if you do get it right, then when it's a poorly hit penalty you hope to see your keepers skills kick in and stop it going in.

It's not different to any other chance a keeper makes imo. Even some 30 yard shots are unstoppable but when a keeper let's the ball go under them from a relatively tame shot, for me it's reasonable to flag, regardless of distance.

Also, I remember Marshalls reaction at the time - you can tell he was gutted as he thought we could have saved it.

[JimBHibees]

Don't want to derail the thread, and I don't think it was a shocking error by Marshall but personally I think you are giving a bit too much credit for picking the right side - that imo is largely down to luck. But if you do get it right, then when it's a poorly hit penalty you hope to see your keepers skills kick in and stop it going in.

It's not different to any other chance a keeper makes imo. Even some 30 yard shots are unstoppable but when a keeper let's the ball go under them from a relatively tame shot, for me it's reasonable to flag, regardless of distance.

Also, I remember Marshalls reaction at the time - you can tell he was gutted as he thought we could have saved it.

Definitely would have been disappointed he didn't.

[JimBHibees]

If Ben Kensell really wants to, he could just have match officials parking outside the west stand.

Pretty sure there is a protocol the officials meet at a hotel and get taxi to and from the game.

[Mikey_1875]

What I don’t understand (among many other decisions) is how the ref can let Celtic play advantage and then send Youan off once the attack is finished? I’ve seen that happen with a first yellow card but can’t remember ever seeing it for a second yellow/sending off.

What would happen hypothetically if Yoaun was to run back and clear the ball off the line or something during the advantage?

There were some awful decisions across the league yesterday but the difference with the ones in our game was that Maclean was directly influenced by the home support throughout the full 90.

[Greenbeard]

He got 3 penalty awards wrong.
Never gave ours despite looking right at it.
Gave theirs not looking at it. Gave them their second one when the ground tackled the boy 2 yards before Marshall clearly saves the ball when he is 50 yards away.
Neither Celtic's penalties were correct. Their first one Carter Vickers pins Hanlon's arm to con the referee.

The questions Hibs should be asking for a response to is:-
Why is VAR not checked for their 1st penalty? Why has he given it without looking at it? Why does our man get booked for giving away a penalty and their man doesn't?
Why give no foul for the second Youan booking but react later and change his mind?
Does no-one else think, as I do, that their 2nd goal should have been disallowed for a yank on Campbell by Oh which allows Oh to get goalside of Campbell. More in that that the penalty they did get. Or is yanking on the pitch allowed these days - if you are a yanker of a ref who favours the OF?
Also, aclear hand ball leading up to their 3rd.

[archie]

Pretty sure there is a protocol the officials meet at a hotel and get taxi to and from the game.

They used to park cars at the police pound.

[B.H.F.C]

What I don’t understand (among many other decisions) is how the ref can let Celtic play advantage and then send Youan off once the attack is finished? I’ve seen that happen with a first yellow card but can’t remember ever seeing it for a second yellow/sending off.

What would happen hypothetically if Yoaun was to run back and clear the ball off the line or something during the advantage?

There were some awful decisions across the league yesterday but the difference with the ones in our game was that Maclean was directly influenced by the home support throughout the full 90.

He never initially played advantage because he wasn’t even giving a foul.

It was only after a bit of noise and complaining that he decided it was. And then even after the game was stopped it was about another minute before the cards came out. Totally made it up as he went along.

[Mikey_1875]

He never initially played advantage because he wasn’t even giving a foul.

It was only after a bit of noise and complaining that he decided it was. And then even after the game was stopped it was about another minute before the cards came out. Totally made it up as he went along.

Completely agree with the last sentence. Felt it was the exact same for the first booking as well even if that one was a 50/50, crowd influenced it.

[Tyler Durden]

Loads of examples of fouls by them where he played advantage but doesn’t go back to book them. Of course when Cabraja made a foul he’s right back to get him booked.

Worst I’ve seen in a while

[Bobby's Cinema]

Celtic came out second half, wave after wave, fans screaming for anything and it took the ref 5 minutes to spot a non-foul in the box and even the score. There was a VAR check for a Stevenson chest for potential hand ball before it, that felt like it was only checked because the stadium screamed for it.

Pathetic. I wouldn't even call it naive or clumsy from Hanlon. It's just never a foul. The referee was awful on-field yesterday. Found another non-penalty when abada kicked the turf and ploughed straight into Marshall.

Hate the way the game is going. A player should only really be penalised only when he gains an advantage unfairly. The way the rules and games are being refereed is going so far away from that. Hate the number of red cards and penalties coming in and talking about decisions after a game rather than the football.

[B.H.F.C]

Loads of examples of fouls by them where he played advantage but doesn’t go back to book them. Of course when Cabraja made a foul he’s right back to get him booked.

Worst I’ve seen in a while

Hanlon getting booked and Starfelt not, for similar things, was the most obvious example of applying different rules to different teams. Ridiculous.

[Carheenlea]

We may have to look at doing away with penalties. Maybe replace them with free kicks.

Doesn’t rid our game of cheating completely, but takes the easiest option for referees out the equation.

[hibstag]

Can't even appeal it, as it was a yellow

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This is the best course of action and would benefit our goal difference was too

[Keith_M]

Just speaking to a die hard Celtc Fan and he said that was one of the worst refereeing displays he's ever seen.

He was sitting in the stand behind the goals and said that everybody around him was dumbfounded with the 2nd penalty award, and thought the red card was idiotic

[Dunbar Hibee]

Just speaking to a die hard Celtc Fan and he said that was one of the worst refereeing displays he's ever seen.

He was sitting in the stand behind the goals and said that everybody around him was dumbfounded with the 2nd penalty award, and thought the red card was idiotic

It was definitely a penalty. So stupid and naive from one of our most experienced players.

[green day]

Just speaking to a die hard Celtc Fan and he said that was one of the worst refereeing displays he's ever seen.

He was sitting in the stand behind the goals and said that everybody around him was dumbfounded with the 2nd penalty award, and thought the red card was idiotic
Easy to say when you have just trousered 3 points.

Classic Celtic fan, imo.

[JimBHibees]

It was definitely a penalty. So stupid and naive from one of our most experienced players.

Not for me. Very little in it then dive.

[McD]

It was definitely a penalty. So stupid and naive from one of our most experienced players.


not a chance, their player hauls hanlon’s arm then throws himself to the ground

[McD]

Does no-one else think, as I do, that their 2nd goal should have been disallowed for a yank on Campbell by Oh which allows Oh to get goalside of Campbell. More in that that the penalty they did get. Or is yanking on the pitch allowed these days - if you are a yanker of a ref who favours the OF?
Also, aclear hand ball leading up to their 3rd.


I thought there was a clear pull at campbells jersey, you can see the collar being stretched backwards in the footage

[Dunbar Hibee]

not a chance, their player hauls hanlon’s arm then throws himself to the ground

Not for me. Hanlon gets caught the wrong side and makes an arse of it. Just as much of a pen as ours was.

The red card, however…

[Keith_M]

It was definitely a penalty. So stupid and naive from one of our most experienced players.


I was referring to the penalty that was awarded then overturned by VAR.

[Dunbar Hibee]

I was referring to the penalty that was awarded then overturned by VAR.

Apologies sir, in which case I agree

[McD]

Not for me. Hanlon gets caught the wrong side and makes an arse of it. Just as much of a pen as ours was.

The red card, however…


Hanlon is between the ball and Carter-vickers, so not wrong side. C-V then pins hanlons arm between his own and his body, pulling hanlon, then with no law of physics applied to him, throws himself to the ground, giving a biased ref the opportunity he wanted to hand Celtic a penalty

watch the footage from behind the goal, it’s obvious it’s a total dive. Even the sportscene clowns think it’s a shocker

[Keith_M]

Apologies sir, in which case I agree


No problem,mate :aok:



TBH, I wasn't sure if I got them mixed up (first and second) :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

Hanlon is between the ball and Carter-vickers, so not wrong side. C-V then pins hanlons arm between his own and his body, pulling hanlon, then with no law of physics applied to him, throws himself to the ground, giving a biased ref the opportunity he wanted to hand Celtic a penalty

watch the footage from behind the goal, it’s obvious it’s a total dive. Even the sportscene clowns think it’s a shocker

Thought it was poor defending from Hanlon and gave the ref the opportunity he was waiting for and Carter-Vickers the chance to buy it. He ends up more or less doing a complete 360 turn, isn’t looking at the ball and is behind Carter-Vickers. Was similar to to Porteous winning one against Scales earlier in the season.

[McD]

Thought it was poor defending from Hanlon and gave the ref the opportunity he was waiting for and Carter-Vickers the chance to buy it. He ends up more or less doing a complete 360 turn, isn’t looking at the ball and is behind Carter-Vickers. Was similar to to Porteous winning one against Scales earlier in the season.

don’t disagree about the ref and Carter-vickers, and whilst I think he could have done better, I do think it’s harsh to criticise hanlon too much when it’s cheating that’s been the key factor in them getting the penalty

[PHeffernan]

Hanlon is between the ball and Carter-vickers, so not wrong side. C-V then pins hanlons arm between his own and his body, pulling hanlon, then with no law of physics applied to him, throws himself to the ground, giving a biased ref the opportunity he wanted to hand Celtic a penalty

watch the footage from behind the goal, it’s obvious it’s a total dive. Even the sportscene clowns think it’s a shocker

Will Carter-Vickers get sued for plagiarism?
Ryan Porteous surely patented that get close, grab, struggle, fall down penalty move.
We woz done!

[Mentalbarnett]

The SFA and SPFL need to be held to account as not only is the current referee standard damaging the current game it is driving people away from the game. My other half came the St Johnstone game in October (she is more interested in Egg chasing) and she was appalled not only at the standard of the refs but their attitude and behaviour towards the players.

[HoboHarry]

The SFA and SPFL need to be held to account as not only is the current referee standard damaging the current game it is driving people away from the game. My other half came the St Johnstone game in October (she is more interested in Egg chasing) and she was appalled not only at the standard of the refs but their attitude and behaviour towards the players.

The clubs have the power to do that but won't. We can only guess why it's that way.