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Donegal Hibby
15-03-2023, 09:30 PM
The right back area of our team is imo the weakest part of our team at the minute. I don't know what's the situation with young Lewis Miller at Hibs , definitely think there's a player there , maybe he's just struggling to adapt to things and needs more time .

Though that just leaves us Cadden and while I'm a big fan of Cadden I've never really thought that he's a right back , he's good going forward and puts alot of good crosses in and is a fine player though the last time we played Celtic they were getting away to much space and most of there attacks were coming down our right side .

I thought our last game sakala for the Huns had a good game though again he was getting away to much time and space on our right side and while we will get away with this against most teams it's a worry I have for Saturday against Celtic . Is there anyway we can tighten up the right back area ? JDH is supposedly back , maybe we could move him into midfield and Egan- Riley into the right back position?

JimBHibees
15-03-2023, 09:37 PM
The right back area of our team is imo the weakest part of our team at the minute. I don't know what's the situation with young Lewis Miller at Hibs , definitely think there's a player there , maybe he's just struggling to adapt to things and needs more time .

Though that just leaves us Cadden and while I'm a big fan of Cadden I've never really thought that he's a right back , he's good going forward and puts alot of good crosses in and is a fine player though the last time we played Celtic they were getting away to much space and most of there attacks were coming down our right side .

I thought our last game sakala for the Huns had a good game though again he was getting away to much time and space on our right side and while we will get away with this against most teams it's a worry I have for Saturday against Celtic . Is there anyway we can tighten up the right back area ? JDH is supposedly back , maybe we could move him into midfield and Egan- Riley into the right back position?

I would play Miller with Cadden in front of him in a 451 set up. Has to be an attempt to negate their threat by dropping deep.

Nicho87
15-03-2023, 09:37 PM
I’ve always liked the idea of cadden playing in the right of a three man midfield, strong runner, can carry you up the park a bit. Decent passer, crossed etc. think LJ moving him back to full back this season he was hoping his attacking play would cover his maybe lack of natural defensive attributes

I’m with you I’d try young lad at full back or miller and push cadden on one.

Green Reaper
15-03-2023, 09:42 PM
Whoever plays there is going to need help on that side as Cadden was left terribly exposed against sevco, by both Henderson and Youan

The Harp Awakes
15-03-2023, 10:14 PM
Whoever plays there is going to need help on that side as Cadden was left terribly exposed against sevco, by both Henderson and Youan

If you are a wing back or midfielder, defending is as big a part of the game as attacking.

If we want to progress and improve as a club to a level where we are regularly finishing 3rd and at least being able to compete in a one off game v the Rangers & Celtic, we need far better quality than what we presently have at wing back on both sides of the pitch.

Donegal Hibby
15-03-2023, 11:52 PM
I would play Miller with Cadden in front of him in a 451 set up. Has to be an attempt to negate their threat by dropping deep.


I’ve always liked the idea of cadden playing in the right of a three man midfield, strong runner, can carry you up the park a bit. Decent passer, crossed etc. think LJ moving him back to full back this season he was hoping his attacking play would cover his maybe lack of natural defensive attributes

I’m with you I’d try young lad at full back or miller and push cadden on one.
I agree with the 451 set up and with sitting in abit deeper is probably the way to go in this game though we will have to try and get up the other end at times to take pressure off our defence as well. Problem with putting Miller in as our right back is he's a young player who hasn't played much and i wonder if this really hard game is the one to throw him into.

Egan Riley could also play right back though I like were we have been playing him and think he would be missed there . I genuinely don't want to see Cadden in the right back position and I'd like to see Cadden right midfield were he would be more effective. So I think we should go with either Miller or Egan Riley as our right back though the right back situation is a problem imo and one I hope we sort out in the summer.

Forza Fred
16-03-2023, 12:05 AM
My opinion is that Lewis's attacking qualities are better than his defensive ones.

Against Celtic I think our defence as a whole is going to be on the back foot, and it may be difficult for him to get forward.

On the other hand, he's desperate to play and show what he can do....

MWHIBBIES
16-03-2023, 04:37 AM
Whoever plays there is going to need help on that side as Cadden was left terribly exposed against sevco, by both Henderson and Youan

Yep. Doesn't matter who plays there if we leave them 2v1 for 90 minutes

BILLYHIBS
16-03-2023, 06:27 AM
Yep. Doesn't matter who plays there if we leave them 2v1 for 90 minutes

Agree damage limitation excercise

Unseen work
16-03-2023, 06:50 AM
Think we’ll play a 352

……………….………Marshall…………..

……..Egan-Riley……Fish……Hanlon……..

Cadden……Jeggo……….Newell……..Stevenson…….

……………………..Campbell………

……………..Nisbet………….Youan………

Hibernian Verse
16-03-2023, 06:55 AM
Think we’ll play a 352

……………….………Marshall…………..

……..Egan-Riley……Fish……Hanlon……..

Cadden……Jeggo……….Newell……..Stevenson…….

……………………..Campbell………

……………..Nisbet………….Youan………

That looks as good a team as we could realistically put out. Good shout.

JammyDoidger
16-03-2023, 06:56 AM
Think we’ll play a 352

……………….………Marshall…………..

……..Egan-Riley……Fish……Hanlon……..

Cadden……Jeggo……….Newell……..Stevenson…….

……………………..Campbell………

……………..Nisbet………….Youan………

Nailed it, wouldn't want us to play it every week but against Celtic and rangers I think we need to change something and try to frustrate, need to hope nisbet can hold it up and we can utilise youan's pace.

Smartie
16-03-2023, 07:47 AM
Think we’ll play a 352

……………….………Marshall…………..

……..Egan-Riley……Fish……Hanlon……..

Cadden……Jeggo……….Newell……..Stevenson…….

……………………..Campbell………

……………..Nisbet………….Youan………

Yep, this is the one.

Or a slightly twisted version where the same players fit a 451 but the idea is the same.

I know he’s a very good player but I might drop Youan. He’s been pish in almost all our biggest games, is poor when we’re out of possession and has had a habit of missing big chances when presented with them at key points in these games.
Whilst I love him as a player against weaker teams, I don’t know if he gets it done this week.

The Tubs
16-03-2023, 08:20 AM
Yep, this is the one.

Or a slightly twisted version where the same players fit a 451 but the idea is the same.

I know he’s a very good player but I might drop Youan. He’s been pish in almost all our biggest games, is poor when we’re out of possession and has had a habit of missing big chances when presented with them at key points in these games.
Whilst I love him as a player against weaker teams, I don’t know if he gets it done this week.

I think Doyle-Hayes is fit but Newell’s still out. I’d play Jake for Cadden and put CJ at right back.

Tyler Durden
16-03-2023, 09:12 AM
Yep, this is the one.

Or a slightly twisted version where the same players fit a 451 but the idea is the same.

I know he’s a very good player but I might drop Youan. He’s been pish in almost all our biggest games, is poor when we’re out of possession and has had a habit of missing big chances when presented with them at key points in these games.
Whilst I love him as a player against weaker teams, I don’t know if he gets it done this week.

Hearts tactics against Celtic were probably about right. They left their fastest player up top and played the ball into the space that the Celtic full backs leave.

I’d be inclined to play Youan as the number 9 and play a 4-5-1. Sit deep and then aim to break quick if we get the chance.

Something like

Marshall

CJ
Fish
Hanlon
Cabraja

Cadden
Jeggo
Stevenson
Campbell
Nisbet

Youan

Donegal Hibby
16-03-2023, 09:24 AM
My opinion is that Lewis's attacking qualities are better than his defensive ones.

Against Celtic I think our defence as a whole is going to be on the back foot, and it may be difficult for him to get forward.

On the other hand, he's desperate to play and show what he can do....
If your opinion is that Lewis Miller has better attacking qualities than defensive ones then that's good enough for me . I'd probably go with Egan Riley as our right back and move JDH into midfield with Cadden RM and Youan LM . While realistically this games about damage limitation I still have that 1% hope we can maybe somehow catch them on a off day and hit a really good game ourselves to get a decent result(living in hope ) . Though I know our record at parkhead isn't great.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/manager-in-goal-the-famous-five-millers-double-and-martins-treble-how-hibs-have-fared-on-league-duty-at-celtic-since-1895-4066254

J-C
16-03-2023, 09:36 AM
Think we’ll play a 352

……………….………Marshall…………..

……..Egan-Riley……Fish……Hanlon……..

Cadden……Jeggo……….Newell……..Stevenson…….

……………………..Campbell………

……………..Nisbet………….Youan………

That's a decent shout, Egan Riley has a bit of pace and likes a wee tackle, Cadden isn't as bad as made out defensively but has had little or no help at times, got to try something different for these games.

J-C
16-03-2023, 09:38 AM
I think Doyle-Hayes is fit but Newell’s still out. I’d play Jake for Cadden and put CJ at right back.

Spoke to Doyle Hayes a couple of weeks ago, still having problems with his ankle, keeps swelling up after either training or a game, spoke about needing injections of some sort to fix it.

The Tubs
16-03-2023, 09:52 AM
Spoke to Doyle Hayes a couple of weeks ago, still having problems with his ankle, keeps swelling up after either training or a game, spoke about needing injections of some sort to fix it.

Ah, okay. I was going by what the Evening News said, which may not be an advisable decision.

Iain G
16-03-2023, 09:53 AM
Yep, this is the one.

Or a slightly twisted version where the same players fit a 451 but the idea is the same.

I know he’s a very good player but I might drop Youan. He’s been pish in almost all our biggest games, is poor when we’re out of possession and has had a habit of missing big chances when presented with them at key points in these games.
Whilst I love him as a player against weaker teams, I don’t know if he gets it done this week.

With his pace and ability to run with the ball and stretch teams he needs to play at some point. Or we could play compact first half and bring him on later in the game?

Donegal Hibby
16-03-2023, 02:15 PM
Spoke to Doyle Hayes a couple of weeks ago, still having problems with his ankle, keeps swelling up after either training or a game, spoke about needing injections of some sort to fix it.
JDH seems to be back in contention for Saturday .
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/jake-doyle-hayes-back-in-contention-for-celtic

Winston Ingram
16-03-2023, 02:53 PM
I think Cadden is a shocking defender

J-C
16-03-2023, 02:56 PM
JDH seems to be back in contention for Saturday .
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/jake-doyle-hayes-back-in-contention-for-celtic


Good, it was a couple of weeks ago I spoke to him, so maybe whatever he was waiting to get has helped.

Unseen work
16-03-2023, 03:41 PM
I think Cadden is a shocking defender

I’m with you.

He’s a frustrating player, I don’t think I’ve ever seen me criticise and praise someone so much in the same game before as Cadden.

For all his flaws defensively and decision making/final ball at times I can’t help but feel like he’s such an important player for us with his energy and ability to consistently bomb forward and give us an out ball.

There’s times that I think he (Stevenson is also guilty of this) carries the ball forward too much and essentially closes the room for the winger ahead of them, sometimes I think an early ball into the wingers feet to let them go 1 v1 would be more beneficial.

But he’s at Hibs, we’ll never get the complete right back and his defending doesn’t seem a huge issue until it’s the best teams in the league we play which is understandable.

He also is one of the players that seems to ‘get’ Hibs and has a great attitude.

Obviously Miller/Megwa could maybe do better if they get the chance.

Donegal Hibby
16-03-2023, 03:44 PM
Good, it was a couple of weeks ago I spoke to him, so maybe whatever he was waiting to get has helped.
Hopefully he's over the worst now and can get back to playing football again . Some photos of the players at training here .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-training-gallery-returning-midfielder-spotted-as-strikers-go-through-paces-ahead-of-celtic-park-visit-4067495?page=1

raeburnhibs
16-03-2023, 06:42 PM
I think Cadden is a shocking defender

Had quite a long chat with him the other day about Hibs and how things are going, very nice guy, just saying. Lewis Miller is not the solution. Chris Cadden in front of a right sided back three might be in these type of games

MrRobot
16-03-2023, 07:06 PM
Had quite a long chat with him the other day about Hibs and how things are going, very nice guy, just saying. Lewis Miller is not the solution. Chris Cadden in front of a right sided back three might be in these type of games

How can you say that about Miller already? Guy has barely played due to being injured.

raeburnhibs
16-03-2023, 08:01 PM
How can you say that about Miller already? Guy has barely played due to being injured.

let's see, we are all allowed an opinion, how does it go? IMHO? I suspect I'm right. Happy to be wrong if he turns out to be a world beater

Donegal Hibby
16-03-2023, 08:15 PM
Caddens had his critics in the past though I think he's a fine player. His strengths are mainly in his attacking play, driving forward with the ball and crossing. I'd like to see Cadden play more right midfield than right back though he can play there and against most teams I've no problem with him there though going to parkhead at the weekend we are undoubtedly going to be doing alot of defending and I'd like to see a more defensive minded player in at right back

I would put JDH into midfield with Jeggo and move Egan Riley to right back and Cadden right midfield . Our defence apart from the Hun game as been pretty good with everyone including Cadden playing well . I thought when lost Porteous ( apart from the last two months when his defending was shockingly bad ) one of our top defenders we would miss him though we haven't missed him one bit which is a credit to how good Fish and Hanlon have been .

Lewis Miller is abit of a mystery , the few times I've seen him he's looked good though his Hibs career hasn't exactly taken off , maybe he's still adjusting to a different lifestyle and Scottish football . LJ did speak about this on how long it took Youan to settle at hibs It's easy to forget Miller's only 22 and maybe he just needs more time and the fans to be patient.

sauzeelegod
16-03-2023, 09:02 PM
I would definitely go 352 or 343 and hit them on the counter with Youans pace.

Unseen work
16-03-2023, 09:20 PM
let's see, we are all allowed an opinion, how does it go? IMHO? I suspect I'm right. Happy to be wrong if he turns out to be a world beater

Fish is the one that’s giving me hopes for guys like Miller, Tavares etc that haven’t got going yet.

Fish looked really poor against Hearts in an admittedly tough game.

Since he’s came in for Porteous I’ve been left scratching my head about why he’s not been playing all season along with Porteous, he’s been excellent imo.

In January I wasn’t bothered in the slightest if he left, now he’s starting every week I’m hoping we can somehow sign him permanent.

Says a lot for players getting a run of games.

Donegal Hibby
16-03-2023, 10:25 PM
We do play a very attacking style of football under LJ . The last time we played Celtic there we seemed to try and go head to head them . I'm hoping we are more cautious in our approach and set up more defensively this time . Seen this in the 'sun ' about crosses and shots .
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/10374749/rangers-lead-europe-key-attacking-stat-celtic-close-behind/

cameronw-hfc
17-03-2023, 12:15 AM
I'd quite like us to try Miller. We will probably get pumped anyway, why not make it interesting whilst were at it. Never felt any less confident playing the old firm as I have this season, the quality difference is huge atm.

MWHIBBIES
17-03-2023, 04:39 AM
I would definitely go 352 or 343 and hit them on the counter with Youans pace.

Will never work. Need a bit more than that to have a chance against Celtic. They recover so quickly from losing the ball.

Brightside
17-03-2023, 05:36 AM
Ah, okay. I was going by what the Evening News said, which may not be an advisable decision.

JDH is in full training. Newell is not.

JimBHibees
17-03-2023, 06:04 AM
A day to absolutely park the bus kick scratch bite and fight. Not sure we have enough with that mentality. Teams like Livi have made it difficult at Parkhead we should copy what they do. At the absolute minimum give them a game where they aren't getting the slippers and cigars out after 20 mins.

raeburnhibs
17-03-2023, 07:02 AM
Fish is the one that’s giving me hopes for guys like Miller, Tavares etc that haven’t got going yet.

Fish looked really poor against Hearts in an admittedly tough game.

Since he’s came in for Porteous I’ve been left scratching my head about why he’s not been playing all season along with Porteous, he’s been excellent imo.

In January I wasn’t bothered in the slightest if he left, now he’s starting every week I’m hoping we can somehow sign him permanent.

Says a lot for players getting a run of games.

Thats a very valid point, I hope the same applies to Miller

Brightside
17-03-2023, 08:20 AM
Fish is the one that’s giving me hopes for guys like Miller, Tavares etc that haven’t got going yet.

Fish looked really poor against Hearts in an admittedly tough game.

Since he’s came in for Porteous I’ve been left scratching my head about why he’s not been playing all season along with Porteous, he’s been excellent imo.

In January I wasn’t bothered in the slightest if he left, now he’s starting every week I’m hoping we can somehow sign him permanent.

Says a lot for players getting a run of games.

Fish has been excellent with Hanlon. Would have been crazy to take out the LCB from the equation.

Donegal Hibby
17-03-2023, 10:03 AM
Jamie McAllister pre-match interview.
https://youtu.be/4K7Oh-D8hCE

Forza Fred
17-03-2023, 11:47 AM
If your opinion is that Lewis Miller has better attacking qualities than defensive ones then that's good enough for me . I'd probably go with Egan Riley as our right back and move JDH into midfield with Cadden RM and Youan LM . While realistically this games about damage limitation I still have that 1% hope we can maybe somehow catch them on a off day and hit a really good game ourselves to get a decent result(living in hope ) . Though I know our record at parkhead isn't great.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/manager-in-goal-the-famous-five-millers-double-and-martins-treble-how-hibs-have-fared-on-league-duty-at-celtic-since-1895-4066254

Doesn’t mean he can’t perform in a defensive role though….just that he is better going forward than staying at the back

raeburnhibs
18-03-2023, 12:50 PM
Doesn’t mean he can’t perform in a defensive role though….just that he is better going forward than staying at the back

Well, Miller is in, lets see how he goes, hoping he has a fantastic performance

Forza Fred
18-03-2023, 01:26 PM
Well, Miller is in, lets see how he goes, hoping he has a fantastic performance

We all are👍

PHeffernan
18-03-2023, 01:45 PM
Doesn’t mean he can’t perform in a defensive role though….just that he is better going forward than staying at the back

He's a big strong athletic guy.
He can be like a new player for Hibs moving forward.