April Derby moved for....... PPV fans!

[Slim Shady]

Derby moved to 12:30 to cater for PPV fans over the world

GTF

[Chorley Hibee]

Another game ****ing ruined.

[MelbourneHibees]

Pathetic

[JamesHFC]

Disappointed. I understand they want to maximise profit but a 5.30 kick off would have been a lot more convenient than 12.30.

[GreenGray]

Realistically how many people will even buy it? Most people have IPTV anyway


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[Carheenlea]

The match attending fans are so far down the list of priorities - I’m sure the Hearts fans were likewise looking forward to a Saturday 3pm derby for a rare treat.

An absolute joke :grr:

[HTD1875]

What a joke of a decision

[LaMotta]

This is a ***in joke, honestly early kick offs in big games are terrible. Absolutely kills the day, takes away money from local businesses and generally is just a piss take.

[Billy Whizz]

absolutely no need for this other than trying to make more money. Season ticket holders taken for a ride!

We must be really skint just now

[Hibernian Verse]

absolutely no need for this other than trying to make more money. Season ticket holders taken for a ride!

We must be really skint just now

Billy that is the no.1 reason any business makes most of their decisions. We need the club to use every avenue available to it.

It's not ideal for us STHs, but it is what it is.

[Pretty Boy]

**** sake.

Of all the kick off times available 12.30 on either Saturday or Sunday is the worst by a mile.

***** for those travelling, ***** for those who like a pre game pint, ***** for those who have other activities scheduled for a weekend AM to avoid conflicts with Hibs games in the afternoon.

[Trinity Hibee]

As others have said surely moving to 12.30 hinders any big uptake. 5.30 would have been good but police might have said no to that. 12.30 KO’s are crap!

Not like it’s being moved to fit it into sky’s schedule. Just for PPV which could have been anytime

[NAE NOOKIE]

F'ing well beyond angry at this ............ the day bloody ruined 'again' to suit armchair fans.

I obviously don't mean international fans before the flak starts flying.

I won't say I'm not going to it because I obviously will .... but I want Hibs to justify why they have changed this to lunchtime when they could have made it an evening KO .... fin'g RAGING !!! at once again my support for the club being taken absolutely for granted.

[Carheenlea]

Said it before and happy to argue again -

When attending fans are being inconvenienced for the benefit of those to view from comforts of home, PPV should be at least the same price as a match ticket. If not, more.

[SickBoy32]

Shambles of a decision

Can't see the logic behind this at all - reduces the likelihood of a sell out, and also reduces home advantage by having a more sedate crowd

BK just does not 'get it'

[SHODAN]

Here's an idea, why not prioritise the fans who are at the ****ing game.

[Billy Whizz]

Hibs saying at the request of both clubs
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/kick-off-change-hearts-h


Hearts saying at the request of the home club
https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/derby-kick-off-time-changed

[MWHIBBIES]

Dreadful decision by Hibs. Ridiculous.

[hibsforeurope]

Hibs saying at the request of both clubs
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/kick-off-change-hearts-h


Hearts saying at the request of the home club
https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/derby-kick-off-time-changed

Surely it's only the home club who can sell PPV packages for their game? Hearts don't stand to benefit from this change of KO time, other than a more subdued crowd.

[HFC93]

Not that fussed

[hibee_girl]

Hibs saying at the request of both clubs
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/kick-off-change-hearts-h


Hearts saying at the request of the home club
https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/derby-kick-off-time-changed

Surely Hearts will have had to agree though?

[Donegal Hibby]

As someone that wouldn't probably be at the match and watching it from home I don't find the game getting moved to a earlier kickoff anyway handy or convenient and I was quite happy with a 3 o'clock kick-off, I'd actually even prefer a evening kick-off . Don't think a early kick- off suits any fans wither they can go or not and it's a extremely bad decisions! .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-and-hearts-edinburgh-derby-kick-off-time-moved-as-hosts-make-ppv-call-4065242

[Stevie Reid]

Absolute shocker of a decision.

[04Sauzee]

My Son has a game of football in Fife with an 11am kick-off that day, as a season ticket holder i now need to make a decision to not attend the Derby or make my son unavailable for his game off football.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Time for a new Block 7 banner :fuming:

[The Tubs]

Outrageous.

[hibee]

Seems they are taking ST renewals for granted now so are not bothered about upsetting any of us, very poor decision to prioritise people who don’t attend games over people that do.

[DaveF]

I might as well join in with the indignation.

A load of *****. I hate 12.30 kick off. I may not even bother going now.

[Hibs90]

Nice to see Hibs taking the fan’s opinions seriously. Oh wait we weren’t consulted.

Another black mark against the CEO for me. Fans taken for a ride, the match day attendees that is.

[Greenio]

Going against the grain here obviously, but as an international, this is good news for me!

Sorry all!

[hibsforeurope]

Going against the grain here obviously, but as an international, this is good news for me!

Sorry all!

Would the game not have been available on Hibs TV anyway for international viewers?

[HH81]

Good news for me as I can now watch the derby and then attend the rugby at night.

Then again I could have watched it at 3pm just not through ppv so hibs get my cash now.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The club pretend they pay attention to what fans are saying and that they keep an eye on social media. From what I've seen on Facebook ( no doubt the Bounce is showing the same reaction to this as here ) the reaction to this decision is almost universally negative, bordering on anger from most folk

This is different from a match being moved to suit SKY or the BBC as part of a contract every club has signed up to, leaving Hibs little choice. This is a decision the club has taken arbitrarily and clearly without giving a second thought to people who actually want to attend the match ... not least of all around 11,000 season ticket holders, the absolute lifeblood of the club and the bulk of it's week in week out support.

So far as I can see as far as any consideration of the fans goes Ben Kensell's approach to that was .... 'Ach F them, they'll bitch about it but they'll still come'

TAKEN FOR GRANTED .... Its that simple. Way to get the club and it's fans closer together Ben ..... NOT!!!

[WeeRussell]

I’d prefer going to the game with a 3pm kick off. But what is it that makes an evening kick-off so much better?

We were never going to say ‘let’s make it 5.30 so everyone can get totally jaked-up before the game’, and 12.30 doesn’t really inconvenience 99% of folk travelling to the game?

Like I say, not ideal for me (personally would like the time for a couple of pints) and understand many feeling a bit put-out at missing out on a rare 3pm derby, but not sure I get the total outrage? Also more time for a party after a home win too.

[nonshinyfinish]

Going against the grain here obviously, but as an international, this is good news for me!

Sorry all!

Would be on Hibs TV for international subscribers anyway, no? It's been moved away from 3pm to allow PPV in the UK.

[PHeffernan]

Hibs saying at the request of both clubs
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/kick-off-change-hearts-h


Hearts saying at the request of the home club
https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/derby-kick-off-time-changed

If an adult misses more than one game a season ticket will cost them more than being a walk up. Most of us miss at least one due to work, illness, holiday etc and accept that but Hibs changing the time and date of games weeks before they take place means a lot of folk are missing even more games than before.
My son, a long term season ticket holder isn't renewing due to moves like this and the Ross County game earlier in the season where the day of the game was changed. In the case of the Ross County game he had taken time off work so he could go to the game only to find out he couldn't go when Hibs made a late change of match day. He will now be a walk up, less driven and less stressed about getting time of work to attend every home game.
Many hundreds of season ticket holders must be in the same boat for an array of reasons and will be considering whether to renew at a time where we need more season ticket holders not less.

Any kick off before 2pm is crap. Not only do our home matches get changed for TV but now there are changes for PPV which will make buttons given the firestickers choring it. 19 home games per season with the biggest ones scheduled all over the shop and now the club can't even be bothered to lie effectively. Suspect the Hearts story above is the right one.

[WeeRussell]

If an adult misses more than one game a season ticket will cost them more than being a walk up. Most of us miss at least one and accept that but Hibs changing the time and date of games weeks before they take place means a lot of folk are missing more games than before.
My son, a long term season ticket holder isn't renewing due to moves like this and the Ross County game earlier in the season where the day of the game was changed. In the case of the Ross County game he had taken time off work so he could go to the game only to find out he couldn't go when Hibs made a late change of match day.
Many hundreds of season ticket holders must be in the same boat for an array of reasons and will be considering whether to renew at a time where we need more supporters not less.
P.S. any kick off before 2pm is crap. Not only do our matches get changed for TV but now there are changes for PPV which will make buttons given the firestickers.
19 home games per season with the biggest ones scheduled all over the shop.

I never realised that was the case re your first line. If that’s the case I don’t think STs are great value! And sort of get why things like this would put some off securing one through ‘loyalty’

[Scouse Hibee]

Yaaaaaas can now go before work, ya dancer.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I’d prefer going to the game with a 3pm kick off. But what is it that makes an evening kick-off so much better?

We were never going to say ‘let’s make it 5.30 so everyone can get totally jaked-up before the game’, and 12.30 doesn’t really inconvenience 99% of folk travelling to the game?

Like I say, not ideal for me (personally would like the time for a couple of pints) and understand many feeling a bit put-out at missing out on a rare 3pm derby, but not sure I get the total outrage? Also more time for a party after a home win too.

Because football is a leisure activity mate, it shouldn't be a bloody chore.

Can you imagine a theatre or cinema putting their biggest attraction on at lunchtime making folk with a distance to travel have to get up at 7am just to get there with no prospect of a meal beforehand. Not a bloody chance ............ only fitba fans are taken for granted like this.

Bad enough when that's because of a contract you've more or less been compelled to sign up to ..... a hell of a lot worse when it's a decision you didn't have to make, but have made anyway without so much as a by your leave to the folk who keep the club afloat, or it appears any consideration of how it will effect the day they were looking forward to enjoying.

It's simply not good enough.

[WeeRussell]

Because football is a leisure activity mate, it shouldn't be a bloody chore.

Can you imagine a theatre or cinema putting their biggest attraction on at lunchtime making folk with a distance to travel have to get up at 7am just to get there with no prospect of a meal beforehand. Not a bloody chance ............ only fitba fans are taken for granted like this.

Bad enough when that's because of a contract you've more or less been compelled to sign up to ..... a hell of a lot worse when it's a decision you didn't have to make, but have made anyway without so much as a by your leave to the folk who keep the club afloat, or it appears any consideration of how it will effect the day they were looking forward to enjoying.

It's simply not good enough.

The cinema and theatre wouldn’t have them on at 3pm in the first place though. Not really a fair comparison.

I get it’s not ideal. Like I say, I’d prefer 3pm too. I just don’t think 2 and a half hours makes a world of difference (other than alcohol).

[DaveF]

The cinema and theatre wouldn’t have them on at 3pm in the first place though. Not really a fair comparison.

I get it’s not ideal. Like I say, I’d prefer 3pm too. I just don’t think 2 and a half hours makes a world of difference (other than alcohol).

It does for those travelling from outside the city.

[Scouse Hibee]

The cinema and theatre wouldn’t have them on at 3pm in the first place though. Not really a fair comparison.

I get it’s not ideal. Like I say, I’d prefer 3pm too. I just don’t think 2 and a half hours makes a world of difference (other than alcohol).

Alcohol is one of the issues, I initially thought the Police may request it be brought forward for that very reason. It suits me so I am delighted but can see how so many will be angry/frustrated.

[SickBoy32]

The cinema and theatre wouldn’t have them on at 3pm in the first place though. Not really a fair comparison.

I get it’s not ideal. Like I say, I’d prefer 3pm too. I just don’t think 2 and a half hours makes a world of difference (other than alcohol).

Do you think we gain as much home advantage at 12.30pm vs 3pm? (Worth noting that this is pretty much a must win for us, if we have any 3rd placed aspirations)

I certainly believe the home support will be more subdued, jambos will likely still be up for it simply due to away support demographics

In addition to the reduced home advantage, this also reduces our chances of maximising gate receipts, as some folk may now just choose to watch online

I totally agree with NN above, we are being taken for granted here and this is just the latest in a long line of TERRIBLE decision coming from our current execs

[WeeRussell]

It does for those travelling from outside the city.

Which includes me. Still not a world of difference, I’ll need to get out my bed when I usually lie-in on a Saturday.

I get it, I’m not trying to tell people it makes no odds at all and I’d really rather they hadn’t done it. Obviously it’s irked folk a good bit more than me so I won’t persist in playing it down 👍

[bingo70]

I don’t particularly like early kick offs and would prefer it kicked off later.

Can’t always get what you want though so it’s no drama, good we are able to do it as PPV, hopefully the club make some decent money out of it and I’m pleased people who can’t get to the game will be able to see it.

Don’t care how it affects the size of the crowd, I’ll be there and thats all I need to worry about. If anybody else decides they would prefer to watch it on a live stream, that’s none of my business and good luck to them.

[WeeRussell]

Do you think we gain as much home advantage at 12.30pm vs 3pm? (Worth noting that this is pretty much a must win for us, if we have any 3rd placed aspirations)

I certainly believe the home support will be more subdued, jambos will likely still be up for it simply due to away support demographics

In addition to the reduced home advantage, this also reduces our chances of maximising gate receipts, as some folk may now just choose to watch online

I totally agree with NN above, we are being taken for granted here and this is just the latest in a long line of TERRIBLE decision coming from our current execs

FWIW I don’t think it makes any difference to our home advantage, no. However if it affects gate receipts as badly as you’re thinking then clearly that’s a significant negative.

[wookie70]

Suits me but still don't think it was a good decision

[WeeRussell]

Alcohol is one of the issues, I initially thought the Police may request it be brought forward for that very reason. It suits me so I am delighted but can see how so many will be angry/frustrated.

I just hope you’re going to leave right on 90 to get those fish suppers prepped for us!! 😍

[bingo70]

FWIW I don’t think it makes any difference to our home advantage, no. However if it affects gate receipts as badly as you’re thinking then clearly that’s a significant negative.

Any shortfall in gate receipt income will be made up from people buying it on PPV.

I agree with you, i don’t think it will impact our home advantage either.

[Scouse Hibee]

I just hope you’re going to leave right on 90 to get those fish suppers prepped for us!! 😍

I’ll get there in time, no worries about that 😀

[Donegal Hibby]

Would be interesting to see a poll on not only fans that are going but ones like myself that won't be going , to see how many prefer a early kick-off . I'd wager the vast majority would be against it .

[PHeffernan]

I never realised that was the case re your first line. If that’s the case I don’t think STs are great value! And sort of get why things like this would put some off securing one through ‘loyalty’

I haven't worked it out properly but if you payed £420 for an adult season ticket this season it costs you £22 a game for 19 games which is fair enough but most of us miss games. Miss 2 games and you are up to £25 a game and the advantage of the flexibility of being a walk up becomes appealing.
We all want to help the club, so much that we even bought season tickets when we couldn't attend due to the covid epidemic.
However, it's feeling like a one way street now and ruining the derby by kicking off at 1230 hrs in order to chisel an extra few quid is another example.
I'm going to miss sitting next to my son at home games starting next season after so many years but I understand trying to get time off work to attend home games is a stress for him which Hibs are making worse with their unnecessary late time and day match changes.

[Not In The Know]

Hibs saying at the request of both clubs
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/kick-off-change-hearts-h


Hearts saying at the request of the home club
https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/derby-kick-off-time-changed



If the jumbos article is true and its a big IF..

This is joke. moving it forward has zero impact on PPV. are the many more people in OZ /NZ going to PPV with a midnight KO instead of say 2am?

In the USA it will be one even earlier KO so nae use there either.

The Club need to come clean on this decision.

The only time we had a 3pm derby at home in years that would sell out the stadium, and give fans attending a proper family day out has been blown.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If an adult misses more than one game a season ticket will cost them more than being a walk up. Most of us miss at least one due to work, illness, holiday etc and accept that but Hibs changing the time and date of games weeks before they take place means a lot of folk are missing even more games than before.
My son, a long term season ticket holder isn't renewing due to moves like this and the Ross County game earlier in the season where the day of the game was changed. In the case of the Ross County game he had taken time off work so he could go to the game only to find out he couldn't go when Hibs made a late change of match day. He will now be a walk up, less driven and less stressed about getting time of work to attend every home game.
Many hundreds of season ticket holders must be in the same boat for an array of reasons and will be considering whether to renew at a time where we need more season ticket holders not less.

Any kick off before 2pm is crap. Not only do our home matches get changed for TV but now there are changes for PPV which will make buttons given the firestickers choring it. 19 home games per season with the biggest ones scheduled all over the shop and now the club can't even be bothered to lie effectively. Suspect the Hearts story above is the right one.

I’m in the same boat as your son.

I’ve said elsewhere that I’ve not really massively enjoyed watching Hibs for a few years now but things like this are really putting me off. I now have to decide between going to the game and doing other things where as before I would have been able to do both. I’ve missed about 6 games this season and it’s really just becoming a massive waste of money for me to get a season ticket next season because I’d likely miss similar again next year (and that’s before considering the fact I’m not particularly enjoying watching us anyway).

[nonshinyfinish]

If the jumbos article is true and its a big IF..

This is joke. moving it forward has zero impact on PPV. are the many more people in OZ /NZ going to PPV with a midnight KO instead of say 2am?

In the USA it will be one even earlier KO so nae use there either.

The Club need to come clean on this decision.

The only time we had a 3pm derby at home in years that would sell out the stadium, and give fans attending a proper family day out has been blown.

It's for PPV in the UK – you can't do that if it's 3pm on a Saturday. Would be available internationally regardless.

[WeeRussell]

Would be interesting to see a poll on not only fans that are going but ones like myself that won't be going , to see how many prefer a early kick-off . I'd wager the vast majority would be against it .

I’ve absolutely no doubt about it, 90%+. People like me, who would prefer 3pm but just aren’t as upset as others, would still vote against.

[WeeRussell]

I haven't worked it out properly but if you payed £420 for an adult season ticket this season it costs you £22 a game for 19 games which is fair enough but most of us miss games. Miss 2 games and you are up to £25 a game.
We all want to help the club, so much that we even bought season tickets when we couldn't attend due to the covid epidemic.
However, it's feeling like a one way street now and ruining the derby by kicking off at 1230 hrs in order to chisel an extra few quid is another example.
I'm going to miss sitting next to my son at home games starting next season after so many years but I understand trying to get time off work to attend home games is an unnecessary stress which Hibs are making worse with their unnecessary late time and day match changes.

I think you’re probably about right. In an ideal world people are buying season tickets to ensure they have a seat at every game they can attend (as well as any benefit of saving cash).. but we’re obviously a long way from that.

[bingo70]

I haven't worked it out properly but if you payed £420 for an adult season ticket this season it costs you £22 a game for 19 games which is fair enough but most of us miss games. Miss 2 games and you are up to £25 a game.
We all want to help the club, so much that we even bought season tickets when we couldn't attend due to the covid epidemic.
However, it's feeling like a one way street now and ruining the derby by kicking off at 1230 hrs in order to chisel an extra few quid is another example.
I'm going to miss sitting next to my son at home games starting next season but I understand trying to get time off work to attend home games is an unnecessary stress which Hibs are making worse with their unnecessary late changes.

Trying to chisel an extra few quid is a necessity, did we not lose £1.5m last year and still need to try and close the gap wherever possible on the teams above us?

We’re not trying to make a bit extra money to line the pockets of anybody, it’s to help the club.

Majority of fans on here want us to make the deal for Youann permanent, almost regardless of cost, they want us to sign Fish permanently if we can and they want us to finish 3rd.

All these things cost money and need paid for. Makes complete sense to do this game as PPV, I am guessing we couldn’t do that until Sky confirmed they didn’t want to show the game. The next best option would be Saturday night however I am guessing the police would need a say in this and every chance they’ve said no. I also don’t think a months notice to give an employer is unreasonable.

[blackpoolhibs]

Well that has stopped me attending. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[bingo70]

If the jumbos article is true and its a big IF..

This is joke. moving it forward has zero impact on PPV. are the many more people in OZ /NZ going to PPV with a midnight KO instead of say 2am?

In the USA it will be one even earlier KO so nae use there either.

The Club need to come clean on this decision.

The only time we had a 3pm derby at home in years that would sell out the stadium, and give fans attending a proper family day out has been blown.

I’d suggest anybody making a family day out of this game will benefit from the early kick off as the atmosphere won’t be as hostile and toxic as it would have been if it was an evening kick off.

Derbies are hardly ever 3pm on a Saturday so I don’t see the fuss.

[bingo70]

Well that has stopped me attending. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Least you’ll get it on the tele now though 😃

[James Stephen]

Turns out Hearts fans were right with all their talk of the maroon pound being more important to Hibs.

Bit embarrassing for Hibs.

[bingo70]

Turns out Hearts fans were right with all their talk of the maroon pound being more important to Hibs.

Bit embarrassing for Hibs.

Anybody at Hibs feels embarrassed by this they need to give themselves a bloody good shake.

Some of the other emotions I can just about understand, embarrassment certainly isn’t one I can sympathise with though.

[Gatecrasher]

Tin pot

[Blaster]

Did we not make a healthy sum from a previous PPV game against Celtic last year or year before when Sky didn’t pick it?

I never expect a Derby to be 3pm on a Saturday due to TV so this is not really much different.

Biggest positive is Hibs pocket extra cash

[bingo70]

Tin pot

I’m maybe losing the plot here but in what possible way could moving kick off time to sell PPV rights for a big game possibly be classed as tin pot? If anything it’s probably the opposite of tin pot!

[Gatecrasher]

I’m maybe losing the plot here but in what possible way could moving kick off time to sell PPV rights for a big game possibly be classed as tin pot? If anything it’s probably the opposite of tin pot!

moving the Kick Off time for a few extra ppv bucks is tin pot.

[Itsnoteasy]

Because football is a leisure activity mate, it shouldn't be a bloody chore.

Can you imagine a theatre or cinema putting their biggest attraction on at lunchtime making folk with a distance to travel have to get up at 7am just to get there with no prospect of a meal beforehand. Not a bloody chance ............ only fitba fans are taken for granted like this.

Bad enough when that's because of a contract you've more or less been compelled to sign up to ..... a hell of a lot worse when it's a decision you didn't have to make, but have made anyway without so much as a by your leave to the folk who keep the club afloat, or it appears any consideration of how it will effect the day they were looking forward to enjoying.

It's simply not good enough.


You know the time/date of cinema or theatre b4 buying your tix so not a good comparison.

[Scouse Hibee]

You know the time/date of cinema or theatre b4 buying your tix so not a good comparison.

To be fair plenty probably booked travel etc based on the time and date previously publicised.

[bingo70]

moving the Kick Off time for a few extra ppv bucks is tin pot.

’a few extra PPV bucks’

It’s easy to say that when it’s not your job to balance the books. It’s not Tin Pot, it’s the reality of the situation we are in where we need to maximise every possible potential income.

£1.5m we lost last year wasn’t it? If we will make more money doing it this way then it’s a no brainer.

[Gatecrasher]

’a few extra PPV bucks’

It’s easy to say that when it’s not your job to balance the books. It’s not Tin Pot, it’s the reality of the situation we are in where we need to maximise every possible potential income.

£1.5m we lost last year wasn’t it? If we will make more money doing it this way then it’s a no brainer.

I'll agree to disagree but it's pretty tin pot in my eyes, along the same lines as Dundee not turning on their under soil heating to save some money.

[Chorley Hibee]

Following on from their cowardly silence regards the Huns, this latest episode shows Kensall and the rest don't give a **** about the fans who regularly attend ER.

Cash is King in their corporate world and supporters are just treated as mugs.

I've attended home and away for years on end now, and this is the first time in years that I'm seriously considering not renewing my season ticket.

**** kick-off times, poor performances, cowardly submission to the Old Firm hordes, and on a personal level, less disposable income, and wanting to spend more time with my daughter/family means I just don't feel as engaged with the club as I once was.

Decisions like today exacerbate that feeling further.

[bingo70]

I'll agree to disagree but it's pretty tin pot in my eyes, along the same lines as Dundee not turning on their under soil heating to save some money.

That caused a game to get cancelled, how’s that comparable?!

This isn’t us looking for a way to save a few quid, it’s exploring an opportunity to make a lot of money.

When you look at the increased costs of running a business, the money we lost last year and the fact we’re trying to close the financial gap on the teams above us, it would be irresponsible of the people running the club not to do this.

If that means some people can’t make it now that’s a shame but in most cases it just means they’ll still be tasting toothpaste when they have their first beer, it’s no big deal.

[Gatecrasher]

That caused a game to get cancelled, how’s that comparable?!

This isn’t us looking for a way to save a few quid, it’s exploring an opportunity to make a lot of money.

When you look at the increased costs of running a business, the money we lost last year and the fact we’re trying to close the financial gap on the teams above us, it would be irresponsible of the people running the club not to do this.

If that means some people can’t make it now that’s a shame but in most cases it just means they’ll still be tasting toothpaste when they have their first beer, it’s no big deal.

why don't we just go we whole way and get a plastic pitch and start closing stands to save a few bucks, let's start playing the the Tony Macaroni presents Easter Road or whatever the hell they would call it. There's certain decisions that I feel would be a step too far. Moving a Kick Off time to inconvenience attenders for some extra PPV bucks is one of them and is tin pot.

[PHeffernan]

Trying to chisel an extra few quid is a necessity, did we not lose £1.5m last year and still need to try and close the gap wherever possible on the teams above us?
I presume the loss was as a result of the upgrades to hospitality in the West which we will start recouping this season.

We’re not trying to make a bit extra money to line the pockets of anybody, it’s to help the club.
Majority of fans on here want us to make the deal for Youann permanent, almost regardless of cost, they want us to sign Fish permanently if we can and they want us to finish 3rd.
The buy option for Youan is probably between £300 and £500k which isn't excessive so will happen.
Fish is a non starter.
Finishing 3rd is highly unlikely in the next few years for million of pounds worth of reasons. I expect a much more consistent Hearts next season.
All in my opinion.

All these things cost money and need paid for. Makes complete sense to do this game as PPV, I am guessing we couldn’t do that until Sky confirmed they didn’t want to show the game. The next best option would be Saturday night however I am guessing the police would need a say in this and every chance they’ve said no.
Agreed re Saturday night. As I say dodgy firesticks have burned a big hole in the PPV market so I can't see us making muck money from this move.
I also don’t think a months notice to give an employer is unreasonable. It all depends on the job and the employer

I get we want to make some extra money but can't help feeling that pissing off season ticket holders is a poor long term strategy in the current economic climate.

[SickBoy32]

’a few extra PPV bucks’

It’s easy to say that when it’s not your job to balance the books. It’s not Tin Pot, it’s the reality of the situation we are in where we need to maximise every possible potential income.

£1.5m we lost last year wasn’t it? If we will make more money doing it this way then it’s a no brainer.

That loss was attributable to decisions made from the execs within our club, whether that’s sacking JR, hiring someone who should never have got past the interview stage, signing players on personal recommendations (melk), signing players by mistake etc etc

I’d much prefer they focussed their efforts on maximising prize money, rather than scrambling about for some PPV crumbs

Posters above are correct to call this out as tin pot

[bingo70]

why don't we just go we whole way and get a plastic pitch and start closing stands to save a few bucks, let's start playing the the Tony Macaroni presents Easter Road or whatever the hell they would call it. There's certain decisions that I feel would be a step too far. Moving a Kick Off time to inconvenience attenders for some extra PPV bucks is one of them and is tin pot.

Kick off times being moved for big games has been part and parcel of football for over 20 years now.

If you were planning on attending and expected it to be at 3pm on Saturday you very nearly got lucky however the fact the club can make money out of moving it means it makes absolute sense to do so.

We aren’t doing this to fund anybody but our own club.

[Gatecrasher]

Kick off times being moved for big games has been part and parcel of football for over 20 years now.

If you were planning on attending and expected it to be at 3pm on Saturday you very nearly got lucky however the fact the club can make money out of moving it means it makes absolute sense to do so.

We aren’t doing this to fund anybody but our own club.

Like I said, agree to disagree. You would prefer the books balanced, I would prefer the attending fans were treated with a bit more respect. Some ppv bucks is a bit different to a multi million pound TV deal.

[Hermit Crab]

Poor decision, especially since many fans from both sides will have already made travel plans etc. Fans shafted again.

[James Stephen]

Kick off times being moved for big games has been part and parcel of football for over 20 years now.

If you were planning on attending and expected it to be at 3pm on Saturday you very nearly got lucky however the fact the club can make money out of moving it means it makes absolute sense to do so.

We aren’t doing this to fund anybody but our own club.

It boils down to Hibs selling the interests of Hibs fans out to make more money from Hearts fans.

Thats an embarrassment on many levels.

[Spike Mandela]

I have no logical opposition to this if it is the club maximising income. That is sensible.

However, as an out of town supporter, travelling to the game and enjoying the prematch pub, build up and banter and a few pints this completely ruins the day. It means an early departure for the supporters bus, no relaxing build up in a hostelry of one’s choice and straight down to the game then straight back on the bus afterwards. Just makes it all a bit routine and not as enjoyable an experience.

I’ll live and will deal with it but I ****ing hate early kick offs.

[LaMotta]

That loss was attributable to decisions made from the execs within our club, whether that’s sacking JR, hiring someone who should never have got past the interview stage, signing players on personal recommendations (melk), signing players by mistake etc etc

I’d much prefer they focussed their efforts on maximising prize money, rather than scrambling about for some PPV crumbs

Posters above are correct to call this out as tin pot

Bang on with all you say.

I'd be interested to know how many sales they actually expect to make on PPV? Almost everyone I know has access to an IPTV package ( either themselves or through friends/family) so can watch it for free.

Also the move has a serious chance of decreasing matchday ticket sales and far less chance of a sellout, as the ko time is just not as desireable.

There's a chance the move could actually cost Hibs money.

[LaMotta]

Also note that Hospitality packages are already sold put for the game ( on the basis of a 3pm ko). I imagine many who have purchased wont be happy with the change.

[Pretty Boy]

Games get moved for TV as part of an existing contract that is, one it is signed, outwith our control.

This game is being moved at relatively short notice at the insistence of no one but the club. I can't speak for others but as soon as Sky confirmed it wasn't being shown I made my plans for that day. Now I have to let someone down in the morning/early afternoon or miss the Hibs game. Again not speaking for others I tend to plan my weekends around Hibs games, you know a max of 4 or 5 home games a season will be moved for TV so you can sign your bairns up for activities or whatever on Saturday mornings knowing that the mad rush or having to make a choice weekends are few and far between. Football causes enough friction in my house without adding another such weekend into the mix.

Fans who buy STs or pay to attend games are every clubs bread and butter yet once again we are being inconvenienced so someone can sit at home on their sofa and watch the game. This will hit the crowd on the day and that impacts on us all. Of course the majority of ST holders will still attend despite this but it's just unnecessary bad feeling being caused. Clubs know how fans feel about lunchtime kick off, most of the time they escape the flak because it's aimed at Doncaster and the TV execs. On this occasion Hibs have got it wrong and a few PPV buys for a one off game is going to do the square root of **** all to offset the hole in our finances, it will be partially offset by the loss in walk up revenue anyway. There will be more people watching on dodgy firesticks than actually paying for it.

It's the kind of decision that puts a downer on the whole day for me before a ball is kicked. I had plans in the morning, time for a pint about 1.30 then along to the game. Now I'll leave a house with a bad atmosphere, straight to the game then straight home after. Haud me back.

[Blaster]

It boils down to Hibs selling the interests of Hibs fans out to make more money from Hearts fans.

Thats an embarrassment on many levels.

Also gives Hibs fans who can’t attend the opportunity to see the game too though

[SHODAN]

If you're that desperate to not to go ER but still watch a derby then pay the extra £10 a month for NordVPN as well as the cost of the PPV ticket. Hibs have a ****ing partnership with them, it's not hard.

It really is a ****ing mystery why we haven't beaten them at ER for five years, truly.

[HH81]

Games get moved for TV as part of an existing contract that is, one it is signed, outwith our control.

This game is being moved at relatively short notice at the insistence of no one but the club. I can't speak for others but as soon as Sky confirmed it wasn't being shown I made my plans for that day. Now I have to let someone down in the morning/early afternoon or miss the Hibs game. Again not speaking for others I tend to plan my weekends around Hibs games, you know a max of 4 or 5 home games a season will be moved for TV so you can sign your bairns up for activities or whatever on Saturday mornings knowing that the mad rush or having to make a choice weekends are few and far between. Football causes enough friction in my house without adding another such weekend into the mix.

Fans who buy STs or pay to attend games are every clubs bread and butter yet once again we are being inconvenienced so someone can sit at home on their sofa and watch the game. This will hit the crowd on the day and that impacts on us all. Of course the majority of ST holders will still attend despite this but it's just unnecessary bad feeling being caused. Clubs know how fans feel about lunchtime kick off, most of the time they escape the flak because it's aimed at Doncaster and the TV execs. On this occasion Hibs have got it wrong and a few PPV buys for a one off game is going to do the square root of **** all to offset the hole in our finances, it will be partially offset by the loss in walk up revenue anyway. There will be more people watching on dodgy firesticks than actually paying for it.

It's the kind of decision that puts a downer on the whole day for me before a ball is kicked. I had plans in the morning, time for a pint about 1.30 then along to the game. Now I'll leave a house with a bad atmosphere, straight to the game then straight home after. Haud me back.

Before the season started you would have admitted it was highly unlikely you will see a 3pm Saturday derby.

Hibs has given everyone 4 and half weeks notice of a 2.5 hours change to kick off. I don't think that's too bad.

If it had been from 3 to 5.30pm would there have been the same outcry.

To be fair it suits me as can watch it now. Shame not 11.30am kick off off I could have drove up.

[HibeeSince85]

This was always going to happen. Commercially the club was always going to try and maximise any income around the most high profile fixtures, as they should.

I understand folk feeling a bit put out but Hibs are a business and will want to make as much extra revenue as possible to re-invest in the club.

I would have done the same if I was in charge of making this decision. Every penny counts.

[Pretty Boy]

Before the season started you would have admitted it was highly unlikely you will see a 3pm Saturday derby.

Hibs has given everyone 4 and half weeks notice of a 2.5 hours change to kick off. I don't think that's too bad.

If it had been from 3 to 5.30pm would there have been the same outcry.

To be fair it suits me as can watch it now. Shame not 11.30am kick off off I could have drove up.

I didn't expect a 3pm derby. However as I said when Sky confirmed they wouldn't be showing the game I assumed that was that and made plans for earlier in the day. I didn't expect Hibs to then move the game so my plans are now ****ed.

[James Stephen]

This was always going to happen. Commercially the club was always going to try and maximise any income around the most high profile fixtures, as they should.

I understand folk feeling a bit put out but Hibs are a business and will want to make as much extra revenue as possible to re-invest in the club.

I would have done the same if I was in charge of making this decision. Every penny counts.

Thats fine, but they shouldn't then be surprised if people start treating them like a business, and choosing not to just blindly give money for something, the quality of which is dubious, the time and delivery of which is uncertain.and subject to change. Oh, and other customers interests may well be put in front of yours. Roll up, roll up.

[WeeRussell]

I’m maybe losing the plot here but in what possible way could moving kick off time to sell PPV rights for a big game possibly be classed as tin pot? If anything it’s probably the opposite of tin pot!

I don’t think so either but I’m not entirely sure what that daft overused term “tin pot” means. Been meaning to ask a bairn for a while now.

[HibeeSince85]

Thats fine, but they shouldn't then be surprised if people start treating them like a business, and choosing not to just blindly give money for something, the quality of which is dubious, the time and delivery of which is uncertain.and subject to change. Oh, and other customers interests may well be put in front of yours. Roll up, roll up.

Thing is right, Hibs can't really win here.

They need to scrimp every penny available to them as their turnover is the fifth biggest in Scotland and absolutely dwarfed by the top two. Our fiercest rivals have a fan scheme that ploughs millions into the club whereas ours ploughs in hundreds of thousands. They need to make money anyway they can and this is an easy way to gain extra revenue.

I'm not picking sides here, just saying I can totally understand why Hibs have moved the KO and if I was the bean counter at the club I'd have made the same decision. Even though I know it would get a bit of backlash.

[DIXIHIBS]

Turns out Hearts fans were right with all their talk of the maroon pound being more important to Hibs.

Bit embarrassing for Hibs.

While i personally don't agree with the change in KO time, what is embarrassing about trying to make more money...especially if it hertz fans that are giving us it?

[Stonewall]

Hibs saying at the request of both clubs
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/kick-off-change-hearts-h


Hearts saying at the request of the home club
https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/derby-kick-off-time-changed

Well they would wouldn’t they.

[JohnM1875]

While i personally don't agree with the change in KO time, what is embarrassing about trying to make more money...especially if it hertz fans that are giving us it?

How much money are they really going to make from it? IPTV's and streams are everywhere these days.

So for the sake of making what, less than the squads weekly wage in PPV sales, they'll disrupt folk who had made plans and bought tickets for the game already.

12:30 on a Saturday is an awful kick off time.

[LaMotta]

Before the season started you would have admitted it was highly unlikely you will see a 3pm Saturday derby.

Hibs has given everyone 4 and half weeks notice of a 2.5 hours change to kick off. I don't think that's too bad.

If it had been from 3 to 5.30pm would there have been the same outcry.

To be fair it suits me as can watch it now. Shame not 11.30am kick off off I could have drove up.

Had it been half five there wouldn't have been an outcry because it makes for a far better day and occasion with KO later on in the day.

The problem is the early KO which ruins the fixture.

[bingo70]

I don’t think so either but I’m not entirely sure what that daft overused term “tin pot” means. Been meaning to ask a bairn for a while now.

I would have described something as tin pot if it was a *****y wee event or club nobody was interested in.

Whether you agree with the decision to move kick off is obviously up for debate, I don’t understand how Tin Pot can be used in this context though. As I said earlier, it is pretty much the opposite of that for me.

[hibee-boys]

In fairness there’ll be 396,500 Hearts fans that won’t be there that might stump up for the PPV😏

Jokes aside, this out of town supporter is seriously xxxxxx off!

[James Stephen]

While i personally don't agree with the change in KO time, what is embarrassing about trying to make more money...especially if it hertz fans that are giving us it?

Id say having to inconvenience your own fans, killing the occasion and atmosphere of the one single game left that actually still feels like a big game, so you can scrimp an extra 20k from your biggest rivals support, in a game when your team need to win, is a total ridder. Wee Team indeed.

[Hibernian Verse]

Id say having to inconvenience your own fans, killing the occasion and atmosphere of the one single game left that actually still feels like a big game, so you can scrimp an extra 20k from your biggest rivals support, in a game when your team need to win, is a total ridder. Wee Team indeed.

How much will PPV be? £20?

I'd wager more than 1000 subscriptions will be bought worldwide.

[kentao]

Would a Friday night fixture be a better option or at all possible? Would much rather that than a lunch time kick off on either Saturday / Sunday.

[hibee-boys]

Good point around hospitality, I’d be even more hacked off it id stumped up a couple of hundred pounds to be told that the pre-match build up will commence early in the morning. Pretty sure that’s not what they signed up for! I’d not commit to a category A hospitality package for that reason alone, these games are always getting shifted at a moments notice.

[PHeffernan]

How much will PPV be? £20?

I'd wager more than 1000 subscriptions will be bought worldwide.

I was guessing Mr Firestick will result in 1000 sign ups max at £15 a pop.
So hacking us off for £15k which is 2 weeks pay for Ben Ken.

If the club truthfully tell us how much they make from it we can decide if it was worth it but they won't.
I'm calling it £15k tops for turning a great day out into a perfunctory game attendance.
They could make more money from all the Hibbies and Jambo's at the game donating £1 each in exchange for leaving the kick off alone.

I note that the meet the players event ticket price has reduced from the original bat**** £50 a ticket to £25 a ticket.
Did this happen before the meet the defenders event or as a result of the low attendance numbers at this event?

[Pretty Boy]

How much will PPV be? £20?

I'd wager more than 1000 subscriptions will be bought worldwide.

Hearts charged a tenner for the NY game. I'd wager we'll be in the same ballpark.

In the simplest terms even if this incurred no costs or lost match day ticket sales 5000 signs ups (and that seems optimistic) brings in £50K. That's a squad players wages for 6 months or 3.3% of our losses from last year. It hardly seems worth the bad feeling it seems to have caused.

[DIXIHIBS]

Id say having to inconvenience your own fans, killing the occasion and atmosphere of the one single game left that actually still feels like a big game, so you can scrimp an extra 20k from your biggest rivals support, in a game when your team need to win, is a total ridder. Wee Team indeed.

Wee team?? Says all i need to know.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Also note that Hospitality packages are already sold put for the game ( on the basis of a 3pm ko). I imagine many who have purchased wont be happy with the change.

What’s the script with hospitality in a situation like this? I presume we don’t charge the usual extortionate price?

The fact that this will be of benefit to multiple times more hearts fans than Hibs fans just makes this decision ever more ***** really.

[PHeffernan]

Would a Friday night fixture be a better option or at all possible? Would much rather that than a lunch time kick off on either Saturday / Sunday.

It would be drunken carnage at an already peak time for Policing so they wouldn't allow it.
Saying that, kicking off the game earlier than usual at 7pm could see the vast majority turning up in reasonable sobriety.

[DIXIHIBS]

How much money are they really going to make from it? IPTV's and streams are everywhere these days.

So for the sake of making what, less than the squads weekly wage in PPV sales, they'll disrupt folk who had made plans and bought tickets for the game already.

12:30 on a Saturday is an awful kick off time.

I agree its wrong. I was only asking why the poster thought it was embarrassing. With his comments about the "wee team" i think i understand.

[JohnM1875]

I agree its wrong. I was only asking why the poster thought it was embarrassing. With his comments about the "wee team" i think i understand.

Ah, I see. No worries 👍🏻

[Lancs Harp]

Glad i booked the 7am train gets me in a couple of minutes past 11. Might have to fore go the prematch pint but will make kick off in good time. A few hours to play with post match.

[Bishop Hibee]

Bizarre. Still, at least a Saturday lunchtime is better then a Sunday lunchtime. After game sesh incoming.

[HH81]

What’s the script with hospitality in a situation like this? I presume we don’t charge the usual extortionate price?

The fact that this will be of benefit to multiple times more hearts fans than Hibs fans just makes this decision ever more ***** really.

Don't they do the main food after the game for lunchtime kick offs and stay open later?

Sure read it before.

[Hibbyradge]

I was planning on getting the train up and down on the day for the game.

I don't think that's as attractive an idea as it was before the announcement.

:boo hoo:

[LaMotta]

It would be drunken carnage at an already peak time for Policing so they wouldn't allow it.
Saying that, kicking off the game earlier than usual at 7pm could see the vast majority turning up in reasonable sobriety.

Friday 9th March 2018 - Hibs 2-0 Hearts.

Brilliant night, great build up, packed Easter Road, no more issues for police than any other derby. Whats the problem?

[Hibbyradge]

I was guessing Mr Firestick will result in 1000 sign ups max at £15 a pop.
So hacking us off for £15k which is 2 weeks pay for Ben Ken.

If the club truthfully tell us how much they make from it we can decide if it was worth it but they won't.
I'm calling it £15k tops for turning a great day out into a perfunctory game attendance.
They could make more money from all the Hibbies and Jambo's at the game donating £1 each in exchange for leaving the kick off alone.

I note that the meet the players event ticket price has reduced from the original bat**** £50 a ticket to £25 a ticket.
Did this happen before the meet the defenders event or as a result of the low attendance numbers at this event?

As inconvenient as it is, there will be a far higher take up than 1000.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don't they do the main food after the game for lunchtime kick offs and stay open later?

Sure read it before.

Ah that would make sense.

Would be a bit crap if we were beat mind you.

[Hibbyradge]

Turns out Hearts fans were right with all their talk of the maroon pound being more important to Hibs.

Bit embarrassing for Hibs.

Very good. Ltyf

[LunasBoots]

After the last Derby in the SC they probably don't expect a sell out so have gone down this route, would normally go but won't be this time, crap KO time

[BS44]

As inconvenient as it is, there will be a far higher take up than 1000.

On a very good day Hibs get 4,000 for ppv. They'll get around 2,000 for this one.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Id say having to inconvenience your own fans, killing the occasion and atmosphere of the one single game left that actually still feels like a big game, so you can scrimp an extra 20k from your biggest rivals support, in a game when your team need to win, is a total ridder. Wee Team indeed.

Behave, leave that p!sh for them

[Carheenlea]

The club would have known that there would be a lot of table thumping and gnashing of teeth over the announcement (have already done so myself), but like the fall out over sectarianism/Rangers/ban them etc, after a bit of noise for a couple of days it’s soon forgotten about and the fans just turn up at 12.30 for the derby as ultimately we all want to see Hibs play.

The sectarian outrage will return around the time of the next Rangers fixture and the next fixture change for TV/PPV will prompt more annoyance but it’s short term.

Football clubs and authorities play us, and we always end up playing along.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Sevco game was £12.99 so i presume the Hertz game will be the same

[Hibbyradge]

On a very good day Hibs get 4,000 for ppv. They'll get around 2,000 for this one.

Why only 2000.

Surely hertz supporters without tickets will want to watch the game as well as hibbies who can't get to ER?

[JohnM1875]

Why only 2000.

Surely hertz supporters without tickets will want to watch the game as well as hibbies who can't get to ER?

They absolutely will want to watch it. Though a vast majority will find an increasingly easier way to stream it for free and advoid giving Hibs money.

[PHeffernan]

As inconvenient as it is, there will be a far higher take up than 1000.

If it was being played at Tynecastle how many Hibs supporters would pay them for PPV and how many would use a firestick, find a stream ... anyway but giving them money. Their supporters will be the same. 2000 at £10 each minus expenses is still just 2 weeks wages for Ben Ken.

[BS44]

Why only 2000.

Surely hertz supporters without tickets will want to watch the game as well as hibbies who can't get to ER?

Cos we only get only 4,000 against the old firm.

[BS44]

I'm thinking about boycotting it. Enough's enough.

[Tyler Durden]

I think this decision should have been down to Lee Johnson. It’s easy to say we’re doing what we can to make more money.

But the only consideration should be - does this help us win the game? Any small benefit that helps us win this game keeps us in touch of 3rd place. That’s the ultimate revenue boost.

It’s also tough to give the benefit of the doubt to BK when he’s been involved in a few commercial calls already that have cost us big money.

[wookie70]

Do the clubs not have reciprocal arrangements for live feeds ie we give the stream to Hearts and they overlay their own commentary for their PPV. We might actually make more money for them than us with this decision

[007]

I haven't worked it out properly but if you payed £420 for an adult season ticket this season it costs you £22 a game for 19 games which is fair enough but most of us miss games. Miss 2 games and you are up to £25 a game and the advantage of the flexibility of being a walk up becomes appealing.
We all want to help the club, so much that we even bought season tickets when we couldn't attend due to the covid epidemic.
However, it's feeling like a one way street now and ruining the derby by kicking off at 1230 hrs in order to chisel an extra few quid is another example.
I'm going to miss sitting next to my son at home games starting next season after so many years but I understand trying to get time off work to attend home games is a stress for him which Hibs are making worse with their unnecessary late time and day match changes.

I have worked it out.
Adult gold ST early bird this season was £420.

If you go to all 19 home games then it costs £22.11 per game.
18 games = £23.33
17 games = £24.71

A cat A walk-up is £35
Cat B is £28.

Assuming top 6 then 6 walk-up cat A games is £210 and 13 cat B is £364 so a total of £574. ST is a total saving of £154 if all 19 games attended.
(Don't know if Aberdeen is cat A or B, have based the above on it being B)

I could miss 2 cat A games and 3 cat B and would effectively break even. Though a ST has other benefits such as first dibs on cup final tickets, discount at kiosks, free ticket for a friendly, probably a better seat than a walk-up etc. So even missing those 5 games and the ST is a better deal.

[H18 SFR]

Disappointed beyond any words that our club have made this decision. I know there is nothing I can do beyond not using my season ticket that day which makes it even harder to accept.

[Chorley Hibee]

I think this decision should have been down to Lee Johnson. It’s easy to say we’re doing what we can to make more money.

But the only consideration should be - does this help us win the game? Any small benefit that helps us win this game keeps us in touch of 3rd place. That’s the ultimate revenue boost.

It’s also tough to give the benefit of the doubt to BK when he’s been involved in a few commercial calls already that have cost us big money.

Agreed.

Short term thinking for a negligible amount of cash.

It will bite them in the arse, eventually.

[PHeffernan]

I have worked it out.
Adult gold ST early bird this season was £420.

If you go to all 19 home games then it costs £22.11 per game.
18 games = £23.33
17 games = £24.71

A cat A walk-up is £35
Cat B is £28.

Assuming top 6 then 6 walk-up cat A games is £210 and 13 cat B is £364 so a total of £574. ST is a total saving of £154 if all 19 games attended.
(Don't know if Aberdeen is cat A or B, have based the above on it being B)

I could miss 2 cat A games and 3 cat B and would effectively break even. Though a ST has other benefits such as first dibs on cup final tickets, discount at kiosks, free ticket for a friendly, probably a better seat than a walk-up etc. So even missing those 5 games and the ST is a better deal.

You forgot to factor in the £5 deal to attend the St Johnstone game and the cheap multi ticket packages offered before Christmas.
Walk ups don't have to go if it's pissing of rain, freezing or they can't be arsed.
Fire up their firestick, grab the snacks of choice and Bobs yer auntie.
Meanwhile us season ticket types are oot in aw weathers.

[Waxy]

I can envisage a ppv season ticket in the future.

[Logie Green]

I can envisage a ppv season ticket in the future.

Is that not what a Firestick effectively is already?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I can envisage a ppv season ticket in the future.

Overseas fans pretty much have a home and away season ticket (as do Firestick fans I suppose).

[Hibbyradge]

Cos we only get only 4,000 against the old firm.

Really? That surprises me.

Is there somewhere to find the PPV viewing figures?

[bod]

Be interesting to know how much they make out of changing it

[O'Rourke3]

Meanwhile us season ticket types are oot in aw weathers.

Yes, the clue in the word season...

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[BS44]

Really? That surprises me.

Is there somewhere to find the PPV viewing figures?

Not that I know of. I was told that number by a club director.

[Carheenlea]

On a very good day Hibs get 4,000 for ppv. They'll get around 2,000 for this one.

With those figures, a drop in walk ups paying full price could see the club making less than they would have with a 3pm no PPV arrangement.

[Hibbyradge]

Not that I know of. I was told that number by a club director.

Ok cheers.

[Clarence]

Will LJ have to bring his day before derby bevvy sesh forward as a result of this? Where on George St does a good bottomless brunch?

[Since90+2]

Will LJ have to bring his day before derby bevvy sesh forward as a result of this? Where on George St does a good bottomless brunch?

Very good.

[Henderson2Del]

Had it been half five there wouldn't have been an outcry because it makes for a far better day and occasion with KO later on in the day.

The problem is the early KO which ruins the fixture.

Why? Is booze the real
Issue here ?

[LaMotta]

Why? Is booze the real
Issue here ?

It's def an issue for some, but I don't see a problem with that. The build up to a big game over a day is part of the experience that makes football what it is. It's a social event and that aspect of the game is what keeps many people going week in week out when the football on show over the years wouldn't have anyone rushing back to buy season tickets.

Also the atmosphere at 12.30 is significantly worse than it would be at 3pm or later - there is no doubt about that. An early KO takes away from the big game experience.

[HFC93]

Will still be a really good crowd if not close to sell out + a good amount of people taking up the PPV option. A sensible financial decision from the club.

[The Harp Awakes]

I think commercially Hibs have made some good decisions recently. I attended the Pioneers hospitality for the Kilmarnock game and the place was mobbed and the experience brilliant. Great food and great service.

However, deciding to move the time of this game for PPV is a shocker. A real kick in the teeth for supporters planning to attend the game. I'd like to know who made this decision - our CEO? If so, he needs to show face and explain his decision.

[B.H.F.C]

Will still be a really good crowd if not close to sell out + a good amount of people taking up the PPV option. A sensible financial decision from the club.

Will work out financially if they shift all the tickets.

With the price PPV is usually priced at you need to sell a few passes to equal the value of one match ticket. And I can’t imagine Hearts agreeing to it without getting their cut either.

Most important thing is that we sell every seat in the stadium. Hopefully this doesn’t contribute to that not happening at the same time as pissing off a number of people who actually go.

[marinello59]

Will still be a really good crowd if not close to sell out + a good amount of people taking up the PPV option. A sensible financial decision from the club.

Take out the costs involved and Hearts share then it looks like thousands of fans are going to be messed about for very little gain. It’s an awful decision, it’s going to mean a lot of out of town season tickets holders won’t make this one.

[HH81]

Take out the costs involved and Hearts share then it looks like thousands of fans are going to be messed about for very little gain. It’s an awful decision, it’s going to mean a lot of out of town season tickets holders won’t make this one.

Why will hearts get a share when it's a home game?

Have we had a share of their PPV last two seasons?

[HH81]

Why will hearts get a share when it's a home game?

Have we had a share of their PPV last two seasons?

Also there will be zero costs involved as games being streamed anyway.

[greenlex]

Will work out financially if they shift all the tickets.

With the price PPV is usually priced at you need to sell a few passes to equal the value of one match ticket. And I can’t imagine Hearts agreeing to it without getting their cut either.

Most important thing is that we sell every seat in the stadium. Hopefully this doesn’t contribute to that not happening at the same time as pissing off a number of people who actually go.
I think Hearts are steaming it too. It might be Hibs getting the cut from them as there’s bound to be more away interest with a limited amount of match day tickets available to their support. It’s easy to see why they would agree.

[JohnM1875]

Why will hearts get a share when it's a home game?

Have we had a share of their PPV last two seasons?

Was thinking the exact same thing? Don't think we got any share of their streamed derby earlier on this season.

[HH81]

Was thinking the exact same thing? Don't think we got any share of their streamed derby earlier on this season.

Nope. Hibs will get all the cash from any ppv sale either hibs or hearts fans.

[bingo70]

Take out the costs involved and Hearts share then it looks like thousands of fans are going to be messed about for very little gain. It’s an awful decision, it’s going to mean a lot of out of town season tickets holders won’t make this one.

How come? It’s only a couple of hours.

Not many folk can’t get to Edinburgh for 12:30 on a Saturday. Might be a few who choose not to now but numbers will be minimal.

I’m sorry but for me there’s been a massive overreaction to a kick off changing by a couple of hours.

[Henderson2Del]

It's def an issue for some, but I don't see a problem with that. The build up to a big game over a day is part of the experience that makes football what it is. It's a social event and that aspect of the game is what keeps many people going week in week out when the football on show over the years wouldn't have anyone rushing back to buy season tickets.

Also the atmosphere at 12.30 is significantly worse than it would be at 3pm or later - there is no doubt about that. An early KO takes away from the big game experience.

I cannot see why the atmosphere has to be different, it’s still a local derby. Plenty time for beer after and lack of beer pre game should lead to better behaviour

[B.H.F.C]

Nope. Hibs will get all the cash from any ppv sale either hibs or hearts fans.

I don’t think they will have agreed to a change in kick off time without any benefit to them and so that their biggest rivals can get a financial gain out of it.

[bingo70]

Why will hearts get a share when it's a home game?

Have we had a share of their PPV last two seasons?

They need to agree to the kick off time changing. Hard to imagine they would agree to it unless they were offered some incentive to do so.

[HH81]

They need to agree to the kick off time changing. Hard to imagine they would agree to it unless they were offered some incentive to do so.

I reckon it was all agreed with sky at the start of the season. Each club gets a derby PPV game throughout the season where call sell to both fans.

Home team keeps cash.

[MKHIBEE]

My train is due to get in at 1.30, it’s going to cost to get an earlier one. Oh the joy.

[B.H.F.C]

I reckon it was all agreed with sky at the start of the season. Each club gets a derby PPV game throughout the season where call sell to both fans.

Home team keeps cash.

Agreement was there with Sky that x amount of games could be sold on PPV.

But if you’re moving a game to accommodate that, you’re going to need the other team to agree to the move. No way they have agreed to it without there being something in it for them IMO.

[WhileTheChief..]

Agreement was there with Sky that x amount of games could be sold on PPV.

But if you’re moving a game to accommodate that, you’re going to need the other team to agree to the move. No way they have agreed to it without there being something in it for them IMO.

They got to move game for PPV, now it's our turn??

Dunno, but i imagine sponsorships deals and match day advertising maybe include this kinda thing too. More exposure for them etc.?

Not saying I agree, just throwing it out there.

[B.H.F.C]

They got to move game for PPV, now it's our turn??

Dunno, but i imagine sponsorships deals and match day advertising maybe include this kinda thing too. More exposure for them etc.?

Not saying I agree, just throwing it out there.

The game at Tynecastle didn’t need to be moved. There was nothing to stop them showing it on PPV at the scheduled time.

[HH81]

Agreement was there with Sky that x amount of games could be sold on PPV.

But if you’re moving a game to accommodate that, you’re going to need the other team to agree to the move. No way they have agreed to it without there being something in it for them IMO.

They will have wanted their fans to have a platform to watch it too.

Doesn't mean they demanded money to change kick off time.

[Scotty Leither]

The fans and the wider fanbase are viewed as a cash cow by Kensell, nothing more nothing less. They’ve also hiked the cost of the Albion Bar by 25% to £250 from the current price of £200.

I questioned this with the marketing gadgie who advises me it was “underpriced” at £200 last year. I don’t drink and bought the Albion Bar ticket to put some more money into the club, but given that a can of Irn Bru in there is priced at £2.50 I might go back on the drink as i could probably find a pint of beer somewhere else at less than that.

Stop taking the piss Kensell, eh?

[CB Hibs 68]

They need to agree to the kick off time changing. Hard to imagine they would agree to it unless they were offered some incentive to do so.

I imagine the incentive is playing at ER early doors in front of a not sold out Hibs end as opposed to a rocking E R at 3pm.

[McD]

If it was being played at Tynecastle how many Hibs supporters would pay them for PPV and how many would use a firestick, find a stream ... anyway but giving them money. Their supporters will be the same. 2000 at £10 each minus expenses is still just 2 weeks wages for Ben Ken.


you have no idea what BK’s salary is

[BoomtownHibees]

you have no idea what BK’s salary is

It was in the accounts

[McD]

It was in the accounts


fair enough, apologies to PHeffernan

[JimBHibees]

Said it before and happy to argue again -

When attending fans are being inconvenienced for the benefit of those to view from comforts of home, PPV should be at least the same price as a match ticket. If not, more.

Agree with that

[Carheenlea]

I was annoyed at lunchtime when the news broke, but have to admit - over it now.

3pm Saturday would have been good, but Sat 12.30 it is. As an out of town fan the 12.30 KO means the whole day is effectively taken up rather than just the afternoon. Its a bit of an anomaly anyway to not be selected for live TV broadcast so when you take a step back we're maybe making a bit of a bigger deal about it than really is necessary.

[Ringothedog]

The fans and the wider fanbase are viewed as a cash cow by Kensell, nothing more nothing less. They’ve also hiked the cost of the Albion Bar by 25% to £250 from the current price of £200.

I questioned this with the marketing gadgie who advises me it was “underpriced” at £200 last year. I don’t drink and bought the Albion Bar ticket to put some more money into the club, but given that a can of Irn Bru in there is priced at £2.50 I might go back on the drink as i could probably find a pint of beer somewhere else at less than that.

Stop taking the piss Kensell, eh?

Your choice, I will quite happily pay £250 for the Albion bar.

[HendoDelivered]

Shambles

[JimBHibees]

Don't have a huge issue with it. Few more beers after the game.

[Scotty Leither]

Your choice, I will quite happily pay £250 for the Albion bar.

Fair play to you pal, I just think a £50 hike is a bit fierce coupled with premium bar prices, that’s all.

On a related point, I don’t see us going big on players in the summer either which makes the top dollar prices harder to wear.

[Hibbyradge]

On a related point, I don’t see us going big on players in the summer either which makes the top dollar prices harder to wear.

What has led you to that conclusion?

[WeeRussell]

Fair play to you pal, I just think a £50 hike is a bit fierce coupled with premium bar prices, that’s all.

On a related point, I don’t see us going big on players in the summer either which makes the top dollar prices harder to wear.

I found the prices okay for a in-stadium bar. Compared to usual hospitality places (sport, gigs etc) where you get crap beer in plastic cups for steep prices, not having to queue at all for a drink 20 mins before kick off and being metres from your seat is a rare treat. The food is also better than these places usually provide too.

I think it’s been a real success this season and really enjoy it in there every time I’ve been. I’m not saying I would necessarily sign-up every season for it, but not shocked they’ve put the cost up.

I’m sure this season would have been used as something of a trial for how it works, the costs, etc etc

[Scotty Leither]

I found the prices okay for a in-stadium bar. Compared to usual hospitality places (sport, gigs etc) where you get crap beer in plastic cups for steep prices, not having to queue at all for a drink 20 mins before kick off and being metres from your seat is a rare treat. The food is also better than these places usually provide too.

I think it’s been a real success this season and really enjoy it in there every time I’ve been. I’m not saying I would necessarily sign-up every season for it, but not shocked they’ve put the cost up.

I’m sure this season would have been used as something of a trial for how it works, the costs, etc etc

I enjoy it too, I just think a price rise of that level is unjustifiable. Where does it go to next season, £300?

There was also the hiatus of the £10 charge over and above the £200 fee for the Derby cup tie. The club doubled down on it before being informed by the fans it was part of the wording of Albion Bar membership when fans originally took up the offer.

I will take up my season ticket again, I was actually considering upgrading to one of the other hospitality packages but goodness knows what price they’ll be on the back of the Albion Bar hike.

It would be good if the club showed they were thinking about their core support for once, instead of the ££££ signs all the time, such as moving this kick off for PPV, and the continued silence over the conduct of the Govan mob’s loathsome fans.

[Ringothedog]

What has led you to that conclusion?

His opinion, nothing to back it up . Funnily enough I think we will invest in players but I have nothing to back my opinion up either.

[Scotty Leither]

What has led you to that conclusion?

The oft-discussed argument on here about our glaring deficiencies in midfield and at the back that haven’t been addressed for the last 6-7 transfer windows.

[Ringothedog]

I enjoy it too, I just think a price rise of that level is unjustifiable. Where does it go to next season, £300?

There was also the hiatus of the £10 charge over and above the £200 fee for the Derby cup tie. The club doubled down on it before being informed by the fans it was part of the wording of Albion Bar membership when fans originally took up the offer.

I will take up my season ticket again, I was actually considering upgrading to one of the other hospitality packages but goodness knows what price they’ll be on the back of the Albion Bar hike.

It would be good if the club showed they were thinking about their core support for once, instead of the ££££ signs all the time, such as moving this kick off for PPV, and the continued silence over the conduct of the Govan mob’s loathsome fans.
We will charge whatever people are willing to pay. The hospitality is currently sold out every week, why should we not see if we can make even more money by increasing prices. Every other industry has increased prices why shouldn’t Hibs?

[Ringothedog]

The oft-discussed argument on here about our glaring deficiencies in midfield and at the back that haven’t been addressed for the last 6-7 transfer windows.

So you already know what we will or will not do in the next transfer window? Do you know the lottery numbers as well?

[Scotty Leither]

So you already know what we will or will not do in the next transfer window? Do you know the lottery numbers as well?

I never said that, you’re paraphrasing me. I said I didn’t think we’d go big on the team based on our recent previous activity.

I could be wrong and hope to be proven wrong.

If I can predict the lottery numbers I’ll buy Hibs a centre forward.

[WeeRussell]

If I can predict the lottery numbers I’ll buy Hibs a centre forward.

That’ll no stop us going radge about the midfield and defence 😁

[Ringothedog]

I never said that, you’re paraphrasing me. I said I didn’t think we’d go big on the team based on our recent previous activity.

I could be wrong and hope to be proven wrong.

If I can predict the lottery numbers I’ll buy Hibs a centre forward.

Your quote was - On a related point, I don’t see us going big on players in the summer either which makes the top dollar prices harder to wear.

[PHeffernan]

you have no idea what BK’s salary is

It's in the clubs accounts.

[PHeffernan]

fair enough, apologies to PHeffernan

No problem

[NAE NOOKIE]

Will still be a really good crowd if not close to sell out + a good amount of people taking up the PPV option. A sensible financial decision from the club.

Will it be a really good crowd? We couldn't sell out a cup tie against them with a 2pm kick off just a few weeks ago. We didn't fill our home stands recently against either Celtic or Rangers, with loads of ST holders missing. Any hope of the three home stands being filled for this after this decision has went straight out the window IMO.

As for it being a sensible financial decision .... is it sensible long term financial planning to piss off a large number of the supporters you rely on to buy season tickets, especially when there was no compunction to do so?

As an out of town fan I usually leave Gala at 12 noon for 3pm kick offs ... I pick up my mates in Selkirk and usually get to Lochend around 1:30 which gives us an hour and 15 minutes give or take in the pub. To do that I usually get out of bed around 9:30am .... I'm like a lizard and need about two hours to get charged up before I leave the house:greengrin

For a 12:30 kick off I'll have to be up and about at around 7am and as a lifelong insomniac that can be an absolute nightmare if I've had a bad night. Bad enough SKY and the BBC make me have to do that a few times a season ... for Hibs to make me do it when they simply didn't need to is sodding well infuriating !!!

[Forza Fred]

I usually get up for a 1 or 2 am kick off where I am, so obviously the change in time suits me.

I would have thought that Hibs would only have made that decision if they thought it was going to result in substantial additional revenue.

I wonder how much they think they'll make from it?

What is the charge usually for PPV on Hibs TV (I pay an annual subscription as an international subscriber)?

[HH81]

I usually get up for a 1 or 2 am kick off where I am, so obviously the change in time suits me.

I would have thought that Hibs would only have made that decision if they thought it was going to result in substantial additional revenue.

I wonder how much they think they'll make from it?

What is the charge usually for PPV on Hibs TV (I pay an annual subscription as an international subscriber)?

Usually between £12.50 and £15.00 is most I have paid I think during covid.

[HH81]

Will it be a really good crowd? We couldn't sell out a cup tie against them with a 2pm kick off just a few weeks ago. We didn't fill our home stands recently against either Celtic or Rangers, with loads of ST holders missing. Any hope of the three home stands being filled for this after this decision has went straight out the window IMO.

As for it being a sensible financial decision .... is it sensible long term financial planning to piss off a large number of the supporters you rely on to buy season tickets, especially when there was no compunction to do so?

As an out of town fan I usually leave Gala at 12 noon for 3pm kick offs ... I pick up my mates in Selkirk and usually get to Lochend around 1:30 which gives us an hour and 15 minutes give or take in the pub. To do that I usually get out of bed around 9:30am .... I'm like a lizard and need about two hours to get charged up before I leave the house:greengrin

For a 12:30 kick off I'll have to be up and about at around 7am and as a lifelong insomniac that can be an absolute nightmare if I've had a bad night. Bad enough SKY and the BBC make me have to do that a few times a season ... for Hibs to make me do it when they simply didn't need to is sodding well infuriating !!!

No season ticket holders will need to buy a ticket this time, away end full so already talking 16k without a single walk up ticket sold.

Plus now PPV on sale, Hibs should make a decent bag of cash from this game.

[JimBHibees]

Usually between £12.50 and £15.00 is most I have paid I think during covid.

Think Livi charged 20 pounds.

[JimBHibees]

We will charge whatever people are willing to pay. The hospitality is currently sold out every week, why should we not see if we can make even more money by increasing prices. Every other industry has increased prices why shouldn’t Hibs?

Yep hospitality has been an undoubted success from what I see. Was very good when I went did notice an increase in price but also a significant improvement in it.

[CentreLine]

Wow! Just wow! Not been on here for a couple of days but it seems the small but vociferous band of the moaners and undercover hearts fans aren’t half kicking off on this thread. Any excuse to have a pop at the club. I didn’t read all through the thread so maybe it got better and there are certainly some that are delighted it’s PPV.
As I recall there were plenty on here, including myself, very happy that the last derby from tynecastle was available on PPV. suddenly Hibs are “money grabbing” “tinpot” “amateur” “reliant on the hearts pound”. etc. etc.. So it seems PPV was okay from tynecastle but when it comes around to our opportunity to make a perfectly predictable and reasonable business decision it’s another excuse to turn on the club.
Maybe it would be worth putting this to the test and perhaps, after the derby, the club could release the income figure from PPV for this game. Bearing in mind that the cameras will be there anyway, there can be little or no additional cost to the club in making it broadly available on PPV. Our club made a loss of £1.5m last year. What is the business case for not maximising income?
The business case for doing it is glaringly obvious.

[marinello59]

I usually get up for a 1 or 2 am kick off where I am, so obviously the change in time suits me.

I would have thought that Hibs would only have made that decision if they thought it was going to result in substantial additional revenue.

I wonder how much they think they'll make from it?

What is the charge usually for PPV on Hibs TV (I pay an annual subscription as an international subscriber)?

I think it was £12.99 for the Rangers game the other week.

[B.H.F.C]

Wow! Just wow! Not been on here for a couple of days but it seems the small but vociferous band of the moaners and undercover hearts fans aren’t half kicking off on this thread. Any excuse to have a pop at the club. I didn’t read all through the thread so maybe it got better and there are certainly some that are delighted it’s PPV.
As I recall there were plenty on here, including myself, very happy that the last derby from tynecastle was available on PPV. suddenly Hibs are “money grabbing” “tinpot” “amateur” “reliant on the hearts pound”. etc. etc.. So it seems PPV was okay from tynecastle but when it comes around to our opportunity to make a perfectly predictable and reasonable business decision it’s another excuse to turn on the club.
Maybe it would be worth putting this to the test and perhaps, after the derby, the club could release the income figure from PPV for this game. Bearing in mind that the cameras will be there anyway, there can be little or no additional cost to the club in making it broadly available on PPV. Our club made a loss of £1.5m last year. What is the business case for not maximising income?
The business case for doing it is glaringly obvious.

PPV was handy from Tynecastle but they didn’t need to move KO to do it, that was a big difference and the basis for everyone’s complaint.

Ron was always big on ‘match day experience’ but there seems to be little thought given to those actually attending (or planning to attend) this game.

[Sproule Three]

I’ll be attending my first derby for 23 years as over on holiday so only way early kick off really impacts in me is lack of knowledge of early opening boozers .
I’ll be sitting near the **** bench so intending giving the Charlatans nearly a 1/4 if a centuries worth of abuse so a few ales will help with my ‘phrases’

[Paulie Walnuts]

PPV was handy from Tynecastle but they didn’t need to move KO to do it, that was a big difference and the basis for everyone’s complaint.

Ron was always big on ‘match day experience’ but there seems to be little thought given to those actually attending (or planning to attend) this game.

Aye but why let facts get in the way of calling Hibs fans undercover Hearts fans?

[HH81]

Think Livi charged 20 pounds.

Yes they did and another club was 17.50 but can't remember who.

Hibs though was 15.00 most I paid.

[mutley]

As I am deployed overseas, I’m happy with this on a personal note, however, it still shouldn’t have been moved.
IMHO a 3pm sat kick off Derby would still sell out AND have loads purchasing for PPV

But Meh!


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[Hibernian Verse]

Just me that thinks we went some way to addressing the midfield in January?

[SickBoy32]

Just me that thinks we went some way to addressing the midfield in January?

We’ll see on April 15th

If we fail to get a positive result, then we still need better in there (which is my current feeling tbh)

[Steven79]

As I am deployed overseas, I’m happy with this on a personal note, however, it still shouldn’t have been moved.
IMHO a 3pm sat kick off Derby would still sell out AND have loads purchasing for PPV

But Meh!


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They could only sell PPV after moving the kick off.

[Alfred E Newman]

They could only sell PPV after moving the kick off.

I've maybe already missed it but why?

[Pretty Boy]

I've maybe already missed it but why?

UK TV blackout for 3pm Saturday games.

[LaMotta]

Wow! Just wow! Not been on here for a couple of days but it seems the small but vociferous band of the moaners and undercover hearts fans aren’t half kicking off on this thread. Any excuse to have a pop at the club. I didn’t read all through the thread so maybe it got better and there are certainly some that are delighted it’s PPV.
As I recall there were plenty on here, including myself, very happy that the last derby from tynecastle was available on PPV. suddenly Hibs are “money grabbing” “tinpot” “amateur” “reliant on the hearts pound”. etc. etc.. So it seems PPV was okay from tynecastle but when it comes around to our opportunity to make a perfectly predictable and reasonable business decision it’s another excuse to turn on the club.
Maybe it would be worth putting this to the test and perhaps, after the derby, the club could release the income figure from PPV for this game. Bearing in mind that the cameras will be there anyway, there can be little or no additional cost to the club in making it broadly available on PPV. Our club made a loss of £1.5m last year. What is the business case for not maximising income?
The business case for doing it is glaringly obvious.

What an awful post.

Claiming anyone who isn't happy with the move is a serial moaner or undercover Hearts fan? Jesus.:confused:

A lot of people are understandably pissed off with the move for lots of valid reasons that have been outlined above by various people. The reaction on other social media sites is similar.

I rarely if ever criticise the club, but for me this decision is an absolute shocker, and I've emailed the club to tell them. That'll show them. :greengrin

The move might not bother you but I dont think anyone can say the business case is "glaringly obvious." Yes we will sell some ppv passes but the chances of an actual sell out at the game are now reduced due to KO time. And we have pissed off a considerable chunk of our support at a time when we are looking for people to commit to buying season tickets again.

[bingo70]

What an awful post.

Claiming anyone who isn't happy with the move is a serial moaner or undercover Hearts fan? Jesus.:confused:

A lot of people are understandably pissed off with the move for lots of valid reasons that have been outlined above by various people. The reaction on other social media sites is similar.

I rarely if ever criticise the club, but for me this decision is an absolute shocker, and I've emailed the club to tell them. That'll show them. :greengrin

The move might not bother you but I dont think anyone can say the business case is "glaringly obvious." Yes we will sell some ppv passes but the chances of an actual sell out at the game are now reduced due to KO time. And we have pissed off a considerable chunk of our support at a time when we are looking for people to commit to buying season tickets again.

It’s only a 2 and a half hour change to kick off time with a months notice for a game most of us expected to get changed anyway.

It’s not that big a deal and people are overreacting massively IMO.

[LaMotta]

It’s only a 2 and a half hour change to kick off time with a months notice for a game most of us expected to get changed anyway.

It’s not that big a deal and people are overreacting massively IMO.

It's not that big a deal for you.

But it is for a lot of people. You clearly have a lack of empathy in your make up.

[bingo70]

It's not that big a deal for you.

But it is for a lot of people. You clearly have a lack of empathy in your make up.

I don’t think it is a big deal and people are exaggerating. For most people it is just a bit ***** as it means it’s harder to get a pint before the game, there are exceptions to that but that’s the main reason it’s causing hysteria.

You talk of a lack of empathy, where is the empathy towards the club decision makers who are having to make up the difference of a £1.5m loss last year as well as bridge the financial gap with the likes of Aberdeen and Hearts?

If I thought the club would be financially better off but it meant me being inconvenienced a bit then I wouldn’t be selfish enough to object to it, I would just amend my plans as that’s for the greater good. This isn’t being done to line the pockets of a rich owner, it’s to help our club. It’s also only amending kick off time by a couple of hours with a months notice, it really isn’t a big deal IMO.

[LaMotta]

I don’t think it is a big deal and people are exaggerating. For most people it is just a bit ***** as it means it’s harder to get a pint before the game, there are exceptions to that but that’s the main reason it’s causing hysteria.

You talk of a lack of empathy, where is the empathy towards the club decision makers who are having to make up the difference of a £1.5m loss last year as well as bridge the financial gap with the likes of Aberdeen and Hearts?

If I thought the club would be financially better off but it meant me being inconvenienced a bit then I wouldn’t be selfish enough to object to it, I would just amend my plans as that’s for the greater good. This isn’t being done to line the pockets of a rich owner, it’s to help our club. It’s also only amending kick off time by a couple of hours with a months notice, it really isn’t a big deal IMO.

You've proven in your first sentence that you are totally devoid of empathy.

Empathy towards the decision makers? The decision makers who sacked a manager who had done well for us the week before a cup final then replaced him with a guy with no mangerial experience and zero leadership or communication skills that dragged us into the bottom six, costing us huge sums of money? Decision makers that allowed us to waste fortunes on the likes of Mueller and Melkerson through an abysmal recruitment strategy?

You might have a point if this was going to make us a 6 figure sum, best case scenario will be nowhere near that however.

You say this is being done to help our club? Well given the negative reaction ( or overreaction as you might say:wink:) I think it has done way more damage than good.

[Tyler Durden]

Wow! Just wow! Not been on here for a couple of days but it seems the small but vociferous band of the moaners and undercover hearts fans aren’t half kicking off on this thread. Any excuse to have a pop at the club. I didn’t read all through the thread so maybe it got better and there are certainly some that are delighted it’s PPV.
As I recall there were plenty on here, including myself, very happy that the last derby from tynecastle was available on PPV. suddenly Hibs are “money grabbing” “tinpot” “amateur” “reliant on the hearts pound”. etc. etc.. So it seems PPV was okay from tynecastle but when it comes around to our opportunity to make a perfectly predictable and reasonable business decision it’s another excuse to turn on the club.
Maybe it would be worth putting this to the test and perhaps, after the derby, the club could release the income figure from PPV for this game. Bearing in mind that the cameras will be there anyway, there can be little or no additional cost to the club in making it broadly available on PPV. Our club made a loss of £1.5m last year. What is the business case for not maximising income?
The business case for doing it is glaringly obvious.

Maybe read the thread

[Carheenlea]

Turns out Hearts fans were right with all their talk of the maroon pound being more important to Hibs.

Bit embarrassing for Hibs.

“maroon pound” is 100% the most ludicrous phrase I’ve heard uttered in all my time on Hibs.net :hilarious

I know they’re prone to hilarious self aggrandising, but I’ve never heard them come out with that one before :hilarious

[Tyler Durden]

I don’t think it is a big deal and people are exaggerating. For most people it is just a bit ***** as it means it’s harder to get a pint before the game, there are exceptions to that but that’s the main reason it’s causing hysteria.

You talk of a lack of empathy, where is the empathy towards the club decision makers who are having to make up the difference of a £1.5m loss last year as well as bridge the financial gap with the likes of Aberdeen and Hearts?

If I thought the club would be financially better off but it meant me being inconvenienced a bit then I wouldn’t be selfish enough to object to it, I would just amend my plans as that’s for the greater good. This isn’t being done to line the pockets of a rich owner, it’s to help our club. It’s also only amending kick off time by a couple of hours with a months notice, it really isn’t a big deal IMO.

You’re saying it’s to help the club. There have been many points made, that it’s completely up for debate whether this helps us at all.

Maybe if the club explained their rationale a bit more when announcing the decision, they’d get some leeway. It’s another example of botched communication, of which there have been many.

[Carheenlea]

Be lucky if the number of Hearts subscribers for this reaches three figures.

[LaMotta]

You’re saying it’s to help the club. There have been many points made, that it’s completely up for debate whether this helps us at all.

Maybe if the club explained their rationale a bit more when announcing the decision, they’d get some leeway. It’s another example of botched communication, of which there have been many.

:agree::agree::agree:

[Scotty Leither]

Just me that thinks we went some way to addressing the midfield in January?

We don’t have one midfielder that has a big pass on him. I think the laddie Campbell does a sterling job, as he’s asked to perform a variety of roles. I wouldn’t say he’s the creative type though, and we still don’t have a decent no 10 and haven’t had one for a while.

[James Stephen]

I don’t think it is a big deal and people are exaggerating. For most people it is just a bit ***** as it means it’s harder to get a pint before the game, there are exceptions to that but that’s the main reason it’s causing hysteria.

You talk of a lack of empathy, where is the empathy towards the club decision makers who are having to make up the difference of a £1.5m loss last year as well as bridge the financial gap with the likes of Aberdeen and Hearts?

If I thought the club would be financially better off but it meant me being inconvenienced a bit then I wouldn’t be selfish enough to object to it, I would just amend my plans as that’s for the greater good. This isn’t being done to line the pockets of a rich owner, it’s to help our club. It’s also only amending kick off time by a couple of hours with a months notice, it really isn’t a big deal IMO.

Every club has to draw a line between business decisions and club decisions.

Having Imperial Tobacco sponsor shirts would make business sense. Selling the name of the club to Red Bull would make business sense. Selling Garry OConnor a week before a semi final derby made business sense. Giving the famous five stand over to OF would make business sense. Sharing a ground with Hearts at Straiton made good business sense.

The point is deciding where that line is matters, and this boils down to a debate about where Hibs are currently drawing it.

You are happy, others arent.

[Tyler Durden]

We don’t have one midfielder that has a big pass on him. I think the laddie Campbell does a sterling job, as he’s asked to perform a variety of roles. I wouldn’t say he’s the creative type though, and we still don’t have a decent no 10 and haven’t had one for a while.

To be fair, I don't think the manager is interested in the type of player you suggest. A Scott Allan type number 10 is viewed as a bit of a luxury these days and would probably be asked to play wide of a front 3. Like Barrie McKay at Hearts for example.

The likes of Campbell who is more industrious and athletic fits the bill for the way Lee Johnson wants to play.

The club definitely deserve credit for bringing in Jeggo and Egan Riley in January, as they definitely have improved us.

[May21/05/216]

Wow! Just wow! Not been on here for a couple of days but it seems the small but vociferous band of the moaners and undercover hearts fans aren’t half kicking off on this thread. Any excuse to have a pop at the club. I didn’t read all through the thread so maybe it got better and there are certainly some that are delighted it’s PPV.
As I recall there were plenty on here, including myself, very happy that the last derby from tynecastle was available on PPV. suddenly Hibs are “money grabbing” “tinpot” “amateur” “reliant on the hearts pound”. etc. etc.. So it seems PPV was okay from tynecastle but when it comes around to our opportunity to make a perfectly predictable and reasonable business decision it’s another excuse to turn on the club.
Maybe it would be worth putting this to the test and perhaps, after the derby, the club could release the income figure from PPV for this game. Bearing in mind that the cameras will be there anyway, there can be little or no additional cost to the club in making it broadly available on PPV. Our club made a loss of £1.5m last year. What is the business case for not maximising income?
The business case for doing it is glaringly obvious.Agree with your post if the kick off was 3.05 the same moaners would moan

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[LaMotta]

Agree with your post if the kick off was 3.05 the same moaners would moan

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:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious

Astonishingly obtuse take on the situation.

[bingo70]

Every club has to draw a line between business decisions and club decisions.

Having Imperial Tobacco sponsor shirts would make business sense. Selling the name of the club to Red Bull would make business sense. Selling Garry OConnor a week before a semi final derby made business sense. Giving the famous five stand over to OF would make business sense. Sharing a ground with Hearts at Straiton made good business sense.

The point is deciding where that line is matters, and this boils down to a debate about where Hibs are currently drawing it.

You are happy, others arent.

I think that’s fair, I’m just surprised that moving kick off time by a couple of hours with a months notice falls into the category of examples that you’ve used.

You say I’m happy, I would rather it was at 3pm as well. I just think the reaction to a sensible business decision in my opinion has been way OTT.

[James Stephen]

I think that’s fair, I’m just surprised that moving kick off time by a couple of hours with a months notice falls into the category of examples that you’ve used.

You say I’m happy, I would rather it was at 3pm as well. I just think the reaction to a sensible business decision in my opinion has been way OTT.

Also fair. I suspect its less the 2 hr difference though, and more the tantalising prospect of a proper derby, with a proper atmosphere etc, being sold out to accomodate armchair fans.

People who go to games hate early KOs because the atmosphere is *****, the whole ritual is ***** and disrupted.

To move a match that didnt need to be moved, seems a spectacular own goal. Its not about a 2hr move, its about all those fans who go to games, having to put up with a less good experience to accommodate Hearts supporters watching at home.

Its really about what a club values, where match going fans come in the order of priorties.

Im sure to Ben Kensall and his ilk, putting a couple of flame throwers and having some sanitised, orchestrated performance before hand will make up for that loss of atmosphere. But i think people who 'get' fitba will know that it wont come close, and that the spectacle of this match has been sold out.

Some say its worth it, others wont.

[WeeRussell]

You’re saying it’s to help the club. There have been many points made, that it’s completely up for debate whether this helps us at all.

Maybe if the club explained their rationale a bit more when announcing the decision, they’d get some leeway. It’s another example of botched communication, of which there have been many.

I’d like to think those running the club have done their sums and are in no doubt that it benefits us in some way. If hibs.net posters workings are better than theirs and it doesn’t benefit the club at all, then a few on here are quite right to question our business leaders!

On the second point, when have you ever seen a club (or any other entertainment business) come out and say “we’ve made this at x time because we think we’ll make x more cash out of it”. I always find it strange now that Hibs fans think owners and decision-makers should constantly be seen/heard and explaining the business ins and outs to everyone… that never used to happen!

I understand people are pissed off. But I can’t believe for a second it’s been done without hibs thinking it’s going to be worth the club’s while!

[Smartie]

They reap what they sow.

I got disillusioned with the Scotland games being on on weird nights of the week, it felt like they were catering more to the armchair fan so I became one.

In years gone by I went to all Hibs games home and away. I still go to nearly all home games but with a wee one and number 2 on the way in August, I’m not sure if I’ll be able to justify it going forward.

When it comes to this individual decision I have a bit of sympathy for Hibs. We want them to maximise revenue to pay for the best possible team on the park (something that we’d drag our ***** along through all excuses to watch) then moan a lot when we’re inconvenienced.

Re Scotland - crowds seem to be holding up and I’m not missed. C’est la vie.

And with this Hibs one? I’ll moan, then go anyway. Then renew my season ticket. It’s what we do.

[James Stephen]

Knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing, springs to mind.

[WeeRussell]

Also fair. I suspect its less the 2 hr difference though, and more the tantalising prospect of a proper derby, with a proper atmosphere etc, being sold out to accomodate armchair fans.

People who go to games hate early KOs because the atmosphere is *****, the whole ritual is ***** and disrupted.

To move a match that didnt need to be moved, seems a spectacular own goal. Its not about a 2hr move, its about all those fans who go to games, having to put up with a less good experience to accommodate Hearts supporters watching at home.

Its really about what a club values, where match going fans come in the order of priorties.

Im sure to Ben Kensall and his ilk, putting a couple of flame throwers and having some sanitised, orchestrated performance before hand will make up for that loss of atmosphere. But i think people who 'get' fitba will know that it wont come close, and that the spectacle of this match has been sold out.

Some say its worth it, others wont.

It’s been mentioned loads on here so obviously something in it, but I don’t really get the atmosphere argument either. Unless we’re talking purely about games being better when loads of people have had time to get drunk?

It’s not like we’re all going to still be sleeping or too tired to sing at 12:30?

Again, I’d prefer time for a few pints beforehand and not rushing around in the morning but I haven’t ever really thought the atmosphere suffers for that couple of hours.

The pre match atmosphere definitely… as there’s nae pubs!

[Pretty Boy]

I think that’s fair, I’m just surprised that moving kick off time by a couple of hours with a months notice falls into the category of examples that you’ve used.

You say I’m happy, I would rather it was at 3pm as well. I just think the reaction to a sensible business decision in my opinion has been way OTT.

The big issue is that a lot of people will have plans that are routine on a Saturday morning.

For me I have kids to take to swimming lessons and ballet and then we usually go for lunch. Other people will play winter league golf, others will play tennis, there is kids football, some will go to Parkrun or whatever. Now I know that 3 or 4 times a season football will probably impact on my routine but that's largely out of Hibs hands so I grin and bear it. On this occasion Sky have said they don't want the game so I finalised plans to do the Saturday morning usual, meet friends for lunch then go the game at 3. Now that's changed and that will be the same for many others who will have to let people down, potentially after confirming their attendance when Sky said they don't want the game, or they will have to rush about daft after their activities to make the game. We also have a healthy band of fans from places relatively far flung who will either no longer be able to attend, have to make it an overnight trip or set off at silly O'clock to get here now.

More than that though it's just the worst possible kick off time. I have never met a fan who looks forward to a 12.30 kick off. The atmosphere is always more subdued, the day doesn't have the same sense of occasion and if you get beat even the prospect of a few pints post match isn't all that appealing. It's just a continuation of the idea that fans who actually go to games don't really matter all that much. TV execs **** us about to suit their schedule and now the club are quite happy to do the same to accommodate someone who would rather sit at home on their sofa. It probably does just about make business sense when you crunch the numbers but it's just another example of fans being supporters when clubs want something from us (usually more money) but mere customers when it suits them.

[Stuart93]

I think that’s fair, I’m just surprised that moving kick off time by a couple of hours with a months notice falls into the category of examples that you’ve used.

You say I’m happy, I would rather it was at 3pm as well. I just think the reaction to a sensible business decision in my opinion has been way OTT.

What about the fans, myself included, who were making it for a 3pm kick off who can’t now make the earlier kick off?

Surely the preference is bums on seats.

[James Stephen]

What about the fans, myself included, who were making it for a 3pm kick off who can’t now make the earlier kick off?

Surely the preference is bums on seats.

No, the preference is to get your money for that seat up front. After that, they dont care if you go or not.

[HH81]

Be lucky if the number of Hearts subscribers for this reaches three figures.

How many Hibs fans do you think signed up to their PPV?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I’ll be attending my first derby for 23 years as over on holiday so only way early kick off really impacts in me is lack of knowledge of early opening boozers .
I’ll be sitting near the **** bench so intending giving the Charlatans nearly a 1/4 if a centuries worth of abuse so a few ales will help with my ‘phrases’

The Marksman or Tam O'Shanter will cater for your needs! 🍺

[EVENTUALLY]

No, the preference is to get your money for that seat up front. After that, they dont care if you go or not.

Spot on and very short sighted in the middle of next season's ticket sales promotion.

[WeeRussell]

How many Hibs fans do you think signed up to their PPV?

I know I did. Most regrettable decision of the year so far.

13 quid and 3 points both gifted to the smelly *******s.

[WhileTheChief..]

I think that’s fair, I’m just surprised that moving kick off time by a couple of hours with a months notice falls into the category of examples that you’ve used.

You say I’m happy, I would rather it was at 3pm as well. I just think the reaction to a sensible business decision in my opinion has been way OTT.

Wait and see the reaction on here if Hearts win again :duck:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

number 2 on the way in August.

Jesus! Think of the mess! ☺️

[Paulie Walnuts]

What about the fans, myself included, who were making it for a 3pm kick off who can’t now make the earlier kick off?

Surely the preference is bums on seats.

:agree:

I could have worked a 6 hour shift in the morning before coming to the game, as I almost always do on a Saturday. I’m signed up to do it and will now have to ask my boss if I can bin it to go to the game. I’ll also be nearly £200 out of pocket compared to what I would have been had the game been at 3, so it’s a fair hit.

As others have said, others will then have Saturday morning activities that they are committed to. We get that the club can’t do anything about it when sky decide they want a game to show but with the club now getting in on the act it’s a bit of a ****ter really. If this is the way it’s going to go in future (which I presume it will) then I’m much less inclined to renew my season ticket going forward If it’s going to impact me in the way these early kick offs do with Hibs also contributing to it on top of the tv companies.

[Scotty Leither]

:agree:

I could have worked a 6 hour shift in the morning before coming to the game, as I almost always do on a Saturday. I’m signed up to do it and will now have to ask my boss if I can bin it to go to the game. I’ll also be nearly £200 out of pocket compared to what I would have been had the game been at 3, so it’s a fair hit.

As others have said, others will then have Saturday morning activities that they are committed to. We get that the club can’t do anything about it when sky decide they want a game to show but with the club now getting in on the act it’s a bit of a ****ter really. If this is the way it’s going to go in future (which I presume it will) then I’m much less inclined to renew my season ticket going forward If it’s going to impact me in the way these early kick offs do with Hibs also contributing to it on top of the tv companies.

That’s the key point - if SKY won’t or can’t take a game, does that mean this fixture and any other meaningful game will be moved to maximise revenue from folk sat on their ***** at home?

If that is the strategy then it’s a dangerous one, but then I sometimes don’t think the club gets the mood or aspirations of the fans at all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That’s the key point - if SKY won’t or can’t take a game, does that mean this fixture and any other meaningful game will be moved to maximise revenue from folk sat on their ***** at home?

If that is the strategy then it’s a dangerous one, but then I sometimes don’t think the club gets the mood or aspirations of the fans at all.

How many games can actually be shown over a season? As in how many can Sky show and then how many can be shown on PPV? We must be creeping into the territory of half the home games being on TV in some form with TV timeslots to go with it.

[hibeerealist]

This is a poor decision by Hibs, our STH are the lifeblood of the club and this has not been well received.

[Since452]

Brilliant tactic from Hibs. We've been ***** in front of huge supports this season so deliberately trying to reduce the crowd size makes perfect sense!

[NAE NOOKIE]

Wow! Just wow! Not been on here for a couple of days but it seems the small but vociferous band of the moaners and undercover hearts fans aren’t half kicking off on this thread. Any excuse to have a pop at the club. I didn’t read all through the thread so maybe it got better and there are certainly some that are delighted it’s PPV.
As I recall there were plenty on here, including myself, very happy that the last derby from tynecastle was available on PPV. suddenly Hibs are “money grabbing” “tinpot” “amateur” “reliant on the hearts pound”. etc. etc.. So it seems PPV was okay from tynecastle but when it comes around to our opportunity to make a perfectly predictable and reasonable business decision it’s another excuse to turn on the club.
Maybe it would be worth putting this to the test and perhaps, after the derby, the club could release the income figure from PPV for this game. Bearing in mind that the cameras will be there anyway, there can be little or no additional cost to the club in making it broadly available on PPV. Our club made a loss of £1.5m last year. What is the business case for not maximising income?
The business case for doing it is glaringly obvious.

It's NOT that the game is available on PPV mate .... It's the kick off time that's the issue, like it or not it has ruined the day for a lot of people.

[Phil MaGlass]

Ruined it for me, I had planned to fly in for it, meet up with mates, soak in the atmosphere but thats f,d now. Ahll watch the game on firestick now. Save masel around €300 and not have to pay for ppv.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don't they do the main food after the game for lunchtime kick offs and stay open later?

Sure read it before.

Following on from this, Hibs have just advertised a competition for hospitality for this game. They’ve said it’s a pre match meal.

At those sort of prices I’d be looking for my money back if I’d already paid. £250 or whatever the most expensive ones are and your meal is presumably going to be a breakfast.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Following on from this, Hibs have just advertised a competition for hospitality for this game. They’ve said it’s a pre match meal.

At those sort of prices I’d be looking for my money back if I’d already paid. £250 or whatever the most expensive ones are and your meal is presumably going to be a breakfast.

I think that will be standard wording. I done the Celtic game last season at lunchtime and we got a breakfast roll pre match then 3 course meal after the game.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

I think that will be standard wording. I done the Celtic game last season at lunchtime and we got a breakfast roll pre match then 3 course meal after the game.


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Ah ok. Certainly makes more sense to do it that way.

[WellingtonHibby]

Superb decision for us in New Zealand. I'm all for club initiatives which directly benefit me. F*** those glory hunting, Albion-bar-prawn-sandwhich-eating matchday attendees (!)