MoTD Shearer & Wright

[J-C]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?

So you can't talk politics unless you're a politician then, what nonsense. We have freedom of speech in this country and unless he says anything this is illegal, he can say what he wants politically.

[MWHIBBIES]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?

Yes to everything.

Hes a football pundit for the amount of hours they pay him to do it per week. Not 24/7. He's Gary Lineker, human being 24/7, who can tweet whatever he likes.

I wish he and others would say more about the royal family, especially nonce Andrew.

[Stairway 2 7]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?

Like Alan Sugar putting up mock ups of Corbyn at Nuremberg trails. It's not consistent that's the whole point. You can side with the tories just not be against them

[Stairway 2 7]

Independent saying Linekers contract has no mention of social media so the bbc will have to pay over 3 million to sack him, BT and sky have both offered him more money than he's on now. Sky have been supportive on all their shows this weekend I reckon they will get him

[Smartie]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?

Yes, it would be fine if he made a comment about the royal family or a right wing comment, as long as either of them sat within the bounds of acceptability ie not inciting violence or the like.

[danhibees1875]

Not overly bothered about the analysis part, but the highlights were rubbish without the commentary.

[DIXIHIBS]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?

If he had said something positive about the royal family nothing would be said. Thats the whole point of this. He is being shut down because he said something the establishment didnt like. Lineker didnt give the BBCs opinion on something...it was his own opinion.

[He's here!]

So you can't talk politics unless you're a politician then, what nonsense. We have freedom of speech in this country and unless he says anything this is illegal, he can say what he wants politically.

Not according to the BBC guidelines which were tightened for high profile presenters. He's probably the most high profile of all and has form for political tweets in the past (which at the time the BBC didn't censor him for). The regulations were subsequently tightened.

What bemuses me is that this particular tweet seems to be accepted by Lineker's supporters as factually accurate when it's not. Which language used was reminiscent of Nazi Germany?

[O'Rourke3]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?Owes his profile to the BBC? There was me thinking he was a prolific goalscorer that played all over the world.... More people knew about him from the Walkers ads, which probably got him the presenting gig.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Not according to the BBC guidelines which were tightened for high profile presenters. He's probably the most high profile of all and has form for political tweets in the past (which at the time the BBC didn't censor him for). The regulations were subsequently tightened.

What bemuses me is that this particular tweet seems to be accepted by Lineker's supporters as factually accurate when it's not. Which language used was reminiscent of Nazi Germany?

If he gets a large pay as is being said will you admit your wrong and he wasn't bound by any social media rules

[DIXIHIBS]

Not according to the BBC guidelines which were tightened for high profile presenters. He's probably the most high profile of all and has form for political tweets in the past (which at the time the BBC didn't censor him for). The regulations were subsequently tightened.

What bemuses me is that this particular tweet seems to be accepted by Lineker's supporters as factually accurate when it's not. Which language used was reminiscent of Nazi Germany?

It doesnt matter if you agree with what Lineker said or not. He is being shut down because Tory MPs didnt like it. They would have done nothing if he had said something they DID like,

[Rumble de Thump]

Not according to the BBC guidelines which were tightened for high profile presenters. He's probably the most high profile of all and has form for political tweets in the past (which at the time the BBC didn't censor him for). The regulations were subsequently tightened.

What bemuses me is that this particular tweet seems to be accepted by Lineker's supporters as factually accurate when it's not. Which language used was reminiscent of Nazi Germany?

This probably the most bonkers thing anyone has ever posted on this forum.

[Bostonhibby]

It doesnt matter if you agree with what Lineker said or not. He is being shut down because Tory MPs didnt like it. They would have done nothing if he had said something they DID like,And there you have it.[emoji106]

One of our local Nasty party supporters is a hang them high machine gun the boats union Jack waving bellend. He is absolutely furious about lineker and everyone else who backs him.

He is a plumber so he should really only be talking about sanitary fittings and blocked U bends.

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[The Baldmans Comb]

The English TV channels are a treat to watch this weekend with the BBC back pedaling furiously and trying to find other topics to deflect onto. GB news just hates Lineker with a passion and SKY are crawling up his backside wanting him to sign for them once the BBC pay him off.

I almost thought of making a quarterly license fee payment.....almost.��

[McD]

How it should be from now on, save millions and spare us some ex pros analysis on a football match that no one really cares about anyway.
Mind you, there are people out there that hang on every word they say.


these 2 statements are a bit contradictory, no?

[McD]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?


by your logic, you’re not a football pundit and should not get mixed up in football punditry (and therefore shouldn’t be sharing your opinion on it)


the beeb have allowed themselves to be backed into a corner on this, and it won’t be an easy get out

[grunt]

What bemuses me is that this particular tweet seems to be accepted by Lineker's supporters as factually accurate when it's not. Which language used was reminiscent of Nazi Germany?
Indeed.

[grunt]

How it should be from now on, save millions and spare us some ex pros analysis on a football match that no one really cares about anyway.
Mind you, there are people out there that hang on every word they say.Oh, now that's funny!

[WhileTheChief..]

Take this opportunity to bin the lot of them and start from scratch with new pundits, paying them a fraction of what Lineker, Shearer et al have been getting.

His salary dwarfs what the BBC give to Scottish football. Screw him and the rest of them.

[Greenbeard]

This probably the most bonkers thing anyone has ever posted on this forum.
It's one of the most sensible posts on this thread. How is it bonkers?

[Stairway 2 7]

Take this opportunity to bin the lot of them and start from scratch with new pundits, paying them a fraction of what Lineker, Shearer et al have been getting.

His salary dwarfs what the BBC give to Scottish football. Screw him and the rest of them.

He's getting bellow the going rate. BTW and sky will pay him more. He's pretty universally liked

[Rumble de Thump]

It's one of the most sensible posts on this thread. How is it bonkers?

I really don't mean to be rude but there's really no way anyone won't know why it's inaccurate.

[He's here!]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?

This is what puts the BBC in a no-win situation. Lineker linking the Tories to fascism puts him on safe ground with the virtue signallers who then launch a pile-on 'in the name of free speech'. Had he tweeted something supportive of the proposed government policy those self-same paragons of virtue would have been equally as enraged, but this time because the BBC were giving a platform to a (supposed) fascist.

[Rumble de Thump]

This is what puts the BBC in a no-win situation. Lineker linking the Tories to fascism puts him on safe ground with the virtue signallers who then launch a pile-on 'in the name of free speech'. Had he tweeted something supportive of the proposed government policy those self-same paragons of virtue would have been equally as enraged, but this time because the BBC were giving a platform to a (supposed) fascist.

The Conservatives linked themselves to fascism. Some people just acknowledged it.

[Jones28]

This is what puts the BBC in a no-win situation. Lineker linking the Tories to fascism puts him on safe ground with the virtue signallers who then launch a pile-on 'in the name of free speech'. Had he tweeted something supportive of the proposed government policy those self-same paragons of virtue would have been equally as enraged, but this time because the BBC were giving a platform to a (supposed) fascist.

I’d bet my mortgage that he’d still have presented MOTD last night though.

Fortunately GL is one of life’s good guys and would stick to his principles even if it meant losing his job.

[He's here!]

Take this opportunity to bin the lot of them and start from scratch with new pundits, paying them a fraction of what Lineker, Shearer et al have been getting.

His salary dwarfs what the BBC give to Scottish football. Screw him and the rest of them.

Lineker will end up just fine. He can walk away into (most likely) a more lucrative job which doesn't impose restrictions on what he says on social media. The others might want to be a bit wary though. They've got a nice gig with the BBC but don't carry the same clout as him and may not find big earnings as easy to come by were they to be let go for breach of contract (which I'm guessing they could be if they continue to not show up for work).

As you say, the Scottish football pundits are on a tiny fraction of what the MOTD guys get (plus the scope for regular work is much smaller) so it's a bigger ask for them to show solidarity. Lineker has, to some extent, put them in a tricky position.

[Pretty Boy]

At least 2 former Director Generals of the BBC have now come out and stated the impartiality guidelines are 'opaque' or 'complicated'.

Lineker is a freelancer who presents a football show on the BBC and is paid as such. Where does the like get drawn when it comes to offering his opinion on anything? Is it just social media that is the issue? Can he pass comment on politics at the pub or when after dinner speaking when being paid by someone else?

The whole thing is a nonsense, politically motivated because his comments hit a bit too close to home and suggest the current guidelines are outdated and unworkable.

[He's here!]

How it should be from now on, save millions and spare us some ex pros analysis on a football match that no one really cares about anyway.
Mind you, there are people out there that hang on every word they say.


Match of the Day viewing figures up by half a million last night:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-64922187?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=640da4ffff51f554d28c0f8c%26Match%20of% 20the%20Day%20viewing%20figures%20up%20by%20500%2C 000%262023-03-12T10%3A10%3A54.903Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:4c166b8f-fadb-45a3-9f00-6aae8a3bd875&pinned_post_asset_id=640da4ffff51f554d28c0f8c&pinned_post_type=share

They could be on to something...

[Hibbyradge]

This is what puts the BBC in a no-win situation. Lineker linking the Tories to fascism puts him on safe ground with the virtue signallers who then launch a pile-on 'in the name of free speech'. Had he tweeted something supportive of the proposed government policy those self-same paragons of virtue would have been equally as enraged, but this time because the BBC were giving a platform to a (supposed) fascist.

Why do you call people who have empathy towards people who are fleeing war and famine, virtue signallers?

At least you recognise it as being virtuous.

[McD]

Lineker will end up just fine. He can walk away into (most likely) a more lucrative job which doesn't impose restrictions on what he says on social media. The others might want to be a bit wary though. They've got a nice gig with the BBC but don't carry the same clout as him and may not find big earnings as easy to come by were they to be let go for breach of contract (which I'm guessing they could be if they continue to not show up for work).

As you say, the Scottish football pundits are on a tiny fraction of what the MOTD guys get (plus the scope for regular work is much smaller) so it's a bigger ask for them to show solidarity. Lineker has, to some extent, put them in a tricky position.


perhaps they feel their own morals are worth more than the beeb’s pay packet?


also, if the likes of Keys and Gray can find gainful employment after leaving their former employers for well known reasons, I’m sure the likes of shearer, Wright et al will be ok

[hibby rae]

Hope the scabs that said they would prefer the lack of commentary liked the rubbish last night. Just watched a clip of it online awful

It's not needed in this day and age with that kind of format.

If you want to see the football highlights from England or Scotland without analysis or commentary then pop on youtube early evening and they'll all be there already, no need to wait until late in the evening and you can pick what games you watch in what order.

The analysis and commentary make the show. Plus it also provides something for those who just like to have a go at the pundits and commentators on a weekly basis :wink:

[Stairway 2 7]

perhaps they feel their own morals are worth more than the beeb’s pay packet?


also, if the likes of Keys and Gray can find gainful employment after leaving their former employers for well known reasons, I’m sure the likes of shearer, Wright et al will be ok
People who vote tory won't understand morals. Striking workers are a world away from their comprehension

[McD]

People who vote tory won't understand morals. Striking workers are a world away from their comprehension


I know, just couldn’t let it pass without reply. The thought that some things are worth more than money is incomprehensible to some people

[hibsbollah]

This is what puts the BBC in a no-win situation. Lineker linking the Tories to fascism puts him on safe ground with the virtue signallers who then launch a pile-on 'in the name of free speech'. Had he tweeted something supportive of the proposed government policy those self-same paragons of virtue would have been equally as enraged, but this time because the BBC were giving a platform to a (supposed) fascist.

Awful post. Lots of ‘this would have been the case’, hypothetical innuendo and supposition. What’s put the BBC in a no win situation is the fact their top brass are Tories, which isn’t even disputed, and they are trying to control one of their broadcasters views on his own Twitter, while right wing figures in the same situation are allowed to do similar and worse (the Corbyn at Nuremberg with Hitler Alan Sugar tweet springs to mind, while he was fronting the Apprentice, remember).
I actually value the BBCs output and I love not having to watch adverts, but they have been stuffed full of Tory plants for years that have been controlling editorial policy while chipping away at the licence fee. Sad but it’s the demise of a previously great institution and one of the UKs last great exports, in fact.

[hibby rae]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?

He's a football pundit who has taken refugees into his own home, that alone means he's earned a right to voice an opinion on it, and it's a valid one as well.

Although everyone has the right to voice their opinion on politics, because this isn't an autocracy.

[J-C]

Not according to the BBC guidelines which were tightened for high profile presenters. He's probably the most high profile of all and has form for political tweets in the past (which at the time the BBC didn't censor him for). The regulations were subsequently tightened.

What bemuses me is that this particular tweet seems to be accepted by Lineker's supporters as factually accurate when it's not. Which language used was reminiscent of Nazi Germany?

Talking tripe as per usual, check your facts.

[He's here!]

I know, just couldn’t let it pass without reply. The thought that some things are worth more than money is incomprehensible to some people

Easy to take the moral stance, but the reality of life (paying the rent/mortgage, bills, family etc) comes first for many who wouldn't have the luxury of being courted for another job.

[flash]

This is what puts the BBC in a no-win situation. Lineker linking the Tories to fascism puts him on safe ground with the virtue signallers who then launch a pile-on 'in the name of free speech'. Had he tweeted something supportive of the proposed government policy those self-same paragons of virtue would have been equally as enraged, but this time because the BBC were giving a platform to a (supposed) fascist.

Proud to be a "virtue signaller" if that means possessing common decency and compassion for those much worse off than I am.
You can choose your friends but you can't choose your fellow Hibs supporters unfortunately.

[Stairway 2 7]

Easy to take the moral stance, but the reality of life (paying the rent/mortgage, bills, family etc) comes first for many who wouldn't have the luxury of being courted for another job.

You have no concept of striking do you, unbelievable

[J-C]

Match of the Day viewing figures up by half a million last night:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-64922187?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=640da4ffff51f554d28c0f8c%26Match%20of% 20the%20Day%20viewing%20figures%20up%20by%20500%2C 000%262023-03-12T10%3A10%3A54.903Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:4c166b8f-fadb-45a3-9f00-6aae8a3bd875&pinned_post_asset_id=640da4ffff51f554d28c0f8c&pinned_post_type=share

They could be on to something...

Curiosity

[hibby rae]

Not according to the BBC guidelines which were tightened for high profile presenters. He's probably the most high profile of all and has form for political tweets in the past (which at the time the BBC didn't censor him for). The regulations were subsequently tightened.

What bemuses me is that this particular tweet seems to be accepted by Lineker's supporters as factually accurate when it's not. Which language used was reminiscent of Nazi Germany?

The claims of 'invasion', the animalisation of marginalised groups, basically the creation of an 'enemy other' to direct fury at, and scapegoat.

In my honours year studying history I covered Germany from 1933-45 and I can wholeheartedly say what he said was accurate. Can I ask how much you've looked into that period?

It's a common trope from the right to use such language, the Blackshirts and others were the same in the 1930s, or look at a copy of the Daily Mail from the 19th century and you'll see the Irish described the same way, then Jews from eastern Europe, the cycle and language continues to the present day, it's just they pick a different target as time moves on.

[He's here!]

People who vote tory won't understand morals. Striking workers are a world away from their comprehension

A strike is a different issue. Working in education I have plenty of 'comprehension' and sympathy for the fact underpaid and undervalued teachers have been striking, with their unions working hard on their behalf. As things stand, this is some well paid pundits taking a day off work. Things could escalate tho.

[007]

Room for both version of the show. The normal MOTD with pundits' analysis and they could put a 20 minute show of pure highlights on the iPlayer. Would keep the commentary though.

[Stairway 2 7]

A strike is a different issue. Working in education I have plenty of 'comprehension' and sympathy for the fact underpaid and undervalued teachers have been striking, with their unions working hard on their behalf. As things stand, this is some well paid pundits taking a day off work. Things could escalate tho.

You voted for the tories so don't complain about education wages, the party deliberately and systematically cut public service wages

[Stairway 2 7]

Room for both version of the show. The normal MOTD with pundits' analysis and they could put a 20 minute show of pure highlights on the iPlayer. Would keep the commentary though.

They have goals packages on the iplayer and youtube, they aren't as popular as motd

[He's here!]

You voted for the tories so don't complain about education wages, the party deliberately and systematically cut public service wages

Scottish education is a devolved issue. You wouldn't have found anyone on the picket lines blaming the Tories for the recent strikes.

[Iain G]

This is what puts the BBC in a no-win situation. Lineker linking the Tories to fascism puts him on safe ground with the virtue signallers who then launch a pile-on 'in the name of free speech'. Had he tweeted something supportive of the proposed government policy those self-same paragons of virtue would have been equally as enraged, but this time because the BBC were giving a platform to a (supposed) fascist.

They give a platform to fascists every time Braverman and co get interviewed!

[Stairway 2 7]

Scottish education is a devolved issue. You wouldn't have found anyone on the picket lines blaming the Tories for the recent strikes.

Doesn't excuse the fact you literally voted for a party that's believes in decreasing public sector wages, voting for it then complaining about it happening.

[heretoday]

Makes you wish Sportsound pundits would tweet something controversial.

Having them off air would be superb

I couldn't agree more. The coverage of football in Scotland is execrable. It would be preferable to have no pundits at all.

Mind you, without a commentator to hype the product folk'd soon see how poor the quality is compared to other leagues.

[WhileTheChief..]

People who vote tory won't understand morals. Striking workers are a world away from their comprehension

Utter BS and a total sweeping statement.

Replace the word Tory with anything else and you'd never say that about such a wide group of people.

[WhileTheChief..]

This is what puts the BBC in a no-win situation. Lineker linking the Tories to fascism puts him on safe ground with the virtue signallers who then launch a pile-on 'in the name of free speech'. Had he tweeted something supportive of the proposed government policy those self-same paragons of virtue would have been equally as enraged, but this time because the BBC were giving a platform to a (supposed) fascist.

Interesting that nobody has tried to answer this point.

I doubt they would be saying it's fine for hm to Tweet what he likes in that scenario.

[Baader]

This is what puts the BBC in a no-win situation. Lineker linking the Tories to fascism puts him on safe ground with the virtue signallers who then launch a pile-on 'in the name of free speech'. Had he tweeted something supportive of the proposed government policy those self-same paragons of virtue would have been equally as enraged, but this time because the BBC were giving a platform to a (supposed) fascist.

The point is if he tweeted something political but supportive he wouldn't have been stood down. It's the Tory infiltration of a supposedly impartial public service broadcast corporation that is the issue.

[flash]

Utter BS and a total sweeping statement.

Replace the word Tory with anything else and you'd never say that about such a wide group of people.

Nah it's true.

[Hibbyradge]

Interesting that nobody has tried to answer this point.

I doubt they would be saying it's fine for hm to Tweet what he likes in that scenario.

I would.

I might disagree with him, but I wouldn't try to stop him saying it.

On the other hand, I'm certain that GB News wouldn't be attacking him if he had said that Braverman was right or hadn't gone far enough.

[Pretty Boy]

https://twitter.com/TheVojem/status/1634312033595211778?t=vksgGSPmRY8LJxaPCFlolw&s=19

I dare anyone to listen to this and still argue that Lineker wasn't spot on in his assessment.

[Pretty Boy]

https://twitter.com/relwofs54/status/1634843074542309378?t=PnbryrJxdCw45oKvFiJF7w&s=19

Also the BBCs response to a complaint about freelancer Chris Packham. Now try and keep a straight face and tell us this decision isn't politically motivated.

[Glory Lurker]

That long haired guy that used to do Coast often said things that jarred with my politics but I never thought the Beeb should shut him down. I'd just try to avoid him on telly, or moan at him if I didn't.

[hibby rae]

Scottish education is a devolved issue. You wouldn't have found anyone on the picket lines blaming the Tories for the recent strikes.

Not true, I had conversations with two striking teacher friends who are angry at the SNP, but they are also angry at the Tories as they realise there is a knock-on effect from their policies

[He's here!]

Proud to be a "virtue signaller" if that means possessing common decency and compassion for those much worse off than I am.
You can choose your friends but you can't choose your fellow Hibs supporters unfortunately.

I've always found the Hibs support to be a reassuringly broad church.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/TheVojem/status/1634312033595211778?t=vksgGSPmRY8LJxaPCFlolw&s=19

I dare anyone to listen to this and still argue that Lineker wasn't spot on in his assessment.Replace the word with "Irish" and you have 19th century UK rhetoric. 21st century too given the noise surrounding our last fixture.

If there's such a thing as an afterlife I bet holocaust victims would be looking down and wishing a powerful group of "virtue signallers" had spoken up for them in the 1930's. I suppose those who did were, belittled, told to shut up and had some daft label stuck on them in an attempt to undermine them.

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[hibsbollah]

Interesting that nobody has tried to answer this point.

I doubt they would be saying it's fine for hm to Tweet what he likes in that scenario.

I’ll answer it; if he had tweeted something supportive of government policy, like that long haired scots history idiot, or whatsisname, Inspector Lewis’ sidekick, or Alan Sugar or whoever, I doubt much would have made about it at all, it would just be a right wing guy making a right wing tweet. Not that Lineker tweet can be described as in any way ‘left wing’ anyway, it’s just calling out basic inhumanity.

[O'Rourke3]

Scottish education is a devolved issue. You wouldn't have found anyone on the picket lines blaming the Tories for the recent strikes.What about the teachers striking in England,? That down to the Nats too?

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[Lendo]

This is what puts the BBC in a no-win situation. Lineker linking the Tories to fascism puts him on safe ground with the virtue signallers who then launch a pile-on 'in the name of free speech'. Had he tweeted something supportive of the proposed government policy those self-same paragons of virtue would have been equally as enraged, but this time because the BBC were giving a platform to a (supposed) fascist.

Congratulations to everyone with “virtue signallers” on their right-wing BuzzWord Bingo cards. Commiseration to those with “woke”.

[Stairway 2 7]

2-1 Gary if true, late winner

@thatginamiller
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I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day

#BBCBias
#Linekergate

[hibby rae]

I’ll answer it; if he had tweeted something supportive of government policy, like that long haired scots history idiot, or whatsisname, Inspector Lewis’ sidekick, or Alan Sugar or whoever, I doubt much would have made about it at all, it would just be a right wing guy making a right wing tweet. Not that Lineker tweet can be described as in any way ‘left wing’ anyway, it’s just calling out basic inhumanity.

Yep, there's a determination by some to paint this as a left vs right issue, when it's not in the slightest. There will be people on the right who have been critical of the UK Gov policy, and there are also those e.g. Piers Morgan, critical of the BBC's actions.

[Scouse Hibee]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?

What a load of nonsense.

[hibby rae]

Replace the word with "Irish" and you have 19th century UK rhetoric. 21st century too given the noise surrounding our last fixture.

If there's such a thing as an afterlife I bet holocaust victims would be looking down and wishing a powerful group of "virtue signallers" had spoken up for them in the 1930's. I suppose those who did were, belittled, told to shut up and had some daft label stuck on them in an attempt to undermine them.

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Literally in a lot of cases

[Baader]

2-1 Gary if true, late winner

@thatginamiller
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I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day

#BBCBias
#Linekergate

The interest on BoJo's loan may just be going up... 🙄

[Kato]

Literally in a lot of casesMaybe an unfortunate turn of phrase, then again no - perfectly apt.

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[Bostonhibby]

The interest on BoJo's loan may just be going up... [emoji849]That would only happen if it was actually being repaid. We are talking Bozo here.

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[He's here!]

Doesn't excuse the fact you literally voted for a party that's believes in decreasing public sector wages, voting for it then complaining about it happening.

We'll need to disagree there. Folk vote the way they do for a wide variety of reasons. I believed that using my list vote that way was a tactical (tho nevertheless democratic) anti-SNP necessity - as it likely was for a large number of the circa one in four members of the electorate who voted Tory at the last Holyrood election. That, tho, seems to invalidate any opinion we may have going by your rationale - yet we should apparently be defending to the hilt Lineker's right to express his. Quite a selective approach.

[J-C]

We'll need to disagree there. Folk vote the way they do for a wide variety of reasons. I believed that using my list vote that way was a tactical (tho nevertheless democratic) anti-SNP necessity - as it likely was for a large number of the circa one in four members of the electorate who voted Tory at the last Holyrood election. That, tho, seems to invalidate any opinion we may have going by your rationale - yet we should apparently be defending to the hilt Lineker's right to express his. Quite a selective approach.


So you tactically voted for a morally corrupt set of politicians. yet are against someone who calls out their corrupt morals as wrong. Strange world we live in.

[grunt]

We'll need to disagree there. Folk vote the way they do for a wide variety of reasons. I believed that using my list vote that way was a tactical (tho nevertheless democratic) anti-SNP necessity - as it likely was for a large number of the circa one in four members of the electorate who voted Tory at the last Holyrood election. That, tho, seems to invalidate any opinion we may have going by your rationale - yet we should apparently be defending to the hilt Lineker's right to express his. Quite a selective approach.
I don't think it invalidates your opinion, but I think it makes you look a bit silly when you're complaining about a lack of funding for education and social services when you voted for a party that has made a central policy out of starving the public sector of funding for the last 13 years. If you vote for fewer public services, at least have the principle not to complain about fewer public services.

[DaveF]

I've always found the Hibs support to be a reassuringly broad church.

It seems so. Sadly, that includes rabid right wingers such as you.

[heretoday]

The thing is this. Don't start talking about Nazis unless you know what you're talking about.
The current situation vis-a-vis migrants is a world away from that.

It's a case of a small country not wanting to be targeted by gangmasters, people smugglers and drug mafias - hence the sudden spike in Albanian folk crossing the Channel.

Our public services are creaking at the seams and we don't need yet more young guys in the black economy or waiting in line in our A and E depts.

[Rumble de Thump]

The thing is this. Don't start talking about Nazis unless you know what you're talking about.
The current situation vis-a-vis migrants is a world away from that.

It's a case of a small country not wanting to be targeted by gangmasters, people smugglers and drug mafias - hence the sudden spike in Albanian folk crossing the Channel.

Our public services are creaking at the seams and we don't need yet more young guys in the black economy or waiting in line in our A and E depts.

Which Daily Mail column is this an excerpt from?

[McD]

Easy to take the moral stance, but the reality of life (paying the rent/mortgage, bills, family etc) comes first for many who wouldn't have the luxury of being courted for another job.


wait a second - first you said they should be careful what they do as they’ll struggle to find such high paying jobs, now you’re saying it’s easy for them to take a moral stance because they’ll have the luxury of being courted for another job? All over the place


also, are you implying that their morals are somewhat less valued because they have a higher paying job?

[matty_f]

The thing is this. Don't start talking about Nazis unless you know what you're talking about.
The current situation vis-a-vis migrants is a world away from that.

It's a case of a small country not wanting to be targeted by gangmasters, people smugglers and drug mafias - hence the sudden spike in Albanian folk crossing the Channel.

Our public services are creaking at the seams and we don't need yet more young guys in the black economy or waiting in line in our A and E depts.

Is this a woosh moment?

[grunt]

The thing is this. Don't start talking about Nazis unless you know what you're talking about.
The current situation vis-a-vis migrants is a world away from that. It's a case of a small country not wanting to be targeted by gangmasters, people smugglers and drug mafias - hence the sudden spike in Albanian folk crossing the Channel. Our public services are creaking at the seams and we don't need yet more young guys in the black economy or waiting in line in our A and E depts.

"We are taking too many immigrants"

There are 281 million migrants globally. https://worldmigrationreport.iom.int/wmr-2020-interactive/…

We took 90,000 https://ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2022 (https://t.co/ricQHlZlP4)

That's 0.032%.

We have 0.9% of the global population, so to just do "our part" we should take 3x as many.

"Immigrants swamp the NHS"

14% of UK population were born overseas https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/ (https://t.co/mi4gkEayEv)

28% of NHS doctors and nurses were born overseas.https://fullfact.org/health/foreign-born-nhs-eu/ (https://t.co/Y5rYVQfqnq)

You are twice as likely to be treated by an immigrant than lose your place in the queue to one.

"Immigrants are a drain!"

Immigrants from outside EU contribute 3% more than they cost, or £5.2 bn a year https://ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-department/fiscal-effects-immigration-uk (https://t.co/m0HFPCviNE)

Immigrants from inside the EU (prior to Brexit) contributed £26.9 bn a year https://oxfordeconomics.com/resource/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-on-the-uk/ (https://t.co/uzQ31GVmx3)

Total contribution: £31.1 bn a year

[Kato]

Is this a woosh moment?Thought the same.

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[harrsi]

The thing is this. Don't start talking about Nazis unless you know what you're talking about.
The current situation vis-a-vis migrants is a world away from that.

It's a case of a small country not wanting to be targeted by gangmasters, people smugglers and drug mafias - hence the sudden spike in Albanian folk crossing the Channel.

Our public services are creaking at the seams and we don't need yet more young guys in the black economy or waiting in line in our A and E depts.

Twitter thread you might find helpful...

https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1634652801497198593

[easty]

Is this a woosh moment?

I don’t think it is, it’s more of a face palm moment.

[McD]

https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/1634581727296331777

[weecounty hibby]

Not according to the BBC guidelines which were tightened for high profile presenters. He's probably the most high profile of all and has form for political tweets in the past (which at the time the BBC didn't censor him for). The regulations were subsequently tightened.

What bemuses me is that this particular tweet seems to be accepted by Lineker's supporters as factually accurate when it's not. Which language used was reminiscent of Nazi Germany?
Once again you are missing the point and making absolute **** up to suit your agenda. Nowhere on any of his tweets did he say the word Nazi. 1930s Germany started to control what people were saying, control the press, paint immigrants and others as the enemy of working people. Sound familiar? Maybe not to you as you semi pretty keen to let all that happen. What about Sugar, Neil, Clarkson and Bruce? All OK as you mostly agree with them?

[He's here!]

Once again you are missing the point and making absolute **** up to suit your agenda. Nowhere on any of his tweets did he say the word Nazi. 1930s Germany started to control what people were saying, control the press, paint immigrants and others as the enemy of working people. Sound familiar? Maybe not to you as you semi pretty keen to let all that happen. What about Sugar, Neil, Clarkson and Bruce? All OK as you mostly agree with them?

As you say the Nazis were in power for most of the 1930s. How else would you describe that period if not Nazi Germany? Whether Lineker used thd word or not is little more than nit picking.

[GRA]

"We are taking too many immigrants"

There are 281 million migrants globally. https://worldmigrationreport.iom.int/wmr-2020-interactive/…

We took 90,000 https://ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2022 (https://t.co/ricQHlZlP4)

That's 0.032%.

We have 0.9% of the global population, so to just do "our part" we should take 3x as many.

"Immigrants swamp the NHS"

14% of UK population were born overseas https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/ (https://t.co/mi4gkEayEv)

28% of NHS doctors and nurses were born overseas.https://fullfact.org/health/foreign-born-nhs-eu/ (https://t.co/Y5rYVQfqnq)

You are twice as likely to be treated by an immigrant than lose your place in the queue to one.

"Immigrants are a drain!"

Immigrants from outside EU contribute 3% more than they cost, or £5.2 bn a year https://ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-department/fiscal-effects-immigration-uk (https://t.co/m0HFPCviNE)

Immigrants from inside the EU (prior to Brexit) contributed £26.9 bn a year https://oxfordeconomics.com/resource/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-on-the-uk/ (https://t.co/uzQ31GVmx3)

Total contribution: £31.1 bn a year

👏👏👏

Concrete facts which are easily lost on an uneducated, bigoted section of the population who can only process simple three word statements at a time (Stop the boats, get Brexit done, build the wall, etc).

[weecounty hibby]

As you say the Nazis were in power for most of the 1930s. How else would you describe that period if not Nazi Germany? Whether Lineker used thd word or not is little more than nit picking.
No it's not at all. It was the rhetoric used to allow the Nazis into power. Its no surprise that the right wing media and supporters like yourself have started using the word as he never did. It's more deflection from abhorrent policies to take the spotlight off the descent into fascism that Lineker was talking about. But again, what about Sugar, Neil, Clarkson and Bruce? All OK or were they guilty of the same as Lineker but only they were defending the right and attacking the left?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?

Gary Lineker, ex England, Barcelona, Everton, Spurs and Leicester City striker, owes his position in the public eye to the BBC.


Yeah, okay.


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[silverhibee]

Hope the scabs that said they would prefer the lack of commentary liked the rubbish last night. Just watched a clip of it online awful

Watched it for about 30 seconds, it was horrific.

[He's here!]

So you tactically voted for a morally corrupt set of politicians. yet are against someone who calls out their corrupt morals as wrong. Strange world we live in.

I see myself as Scottish but also a British citizen. It's important to me for all sorts of reasons (none of them political) and I don't wish to cede that to a political party who wish to take that identity away from me. Nor do at least half the Scottish electorate. I may not agree with the Tories on a number issues (hence the fact my first-choice vote is always Labour) but on the issue which has smothered Scottish politics for so long they are anti-independence. Lending them my list vote may not be the ideal option but short of eschewing my democratic right and not using that vote it's pretty much the best one available.

[He's here!]

Gary Lineker, ex England, Barcelona, Everton, Spurs and Leicester City striker, owes his position in the public eye to the BBC.


Yeah, okay.


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Retired from playing 30 years ago. Many will remember him that way but for younger folk he's as much Mr Walkers crisps or Mr BBC MOTD.

[Rumble de Thump]

I see myself as Scottish but also a British citizen. It's important to me for all sorts of reasons (none of them political) and don't wish to cede that to a political party who wish to take that identity away from me. Nor do at least half the Scottish electorate. I may not agree with the Tories on a number issues (hence the fact my first-choice vote is always Labour) but on the issue which has smothered Scottish politics for so long they are anti-independence. Lending them my list vote may not be the ideal option but short of eschewing my democratic right and not using that vote it's pretty much the best one available.

You're conflating Britain with the United Kingdom but that's probably for another thread.

[Just Alf]

As you say the Nazis were in power for most of the 1930s. How else would you describe that period if not Nazi Germany? Whether Lineker used thd word or not is little more than nit picking.
No it's not at all. It was the rhetoric used to allow the Nazis into power. Its no surprise that the right wing media and supporters like yourself have started using the word as he never did. It's more deflection from abhorrent policies to take the spotlight off the descent into fascism that Lineker was talking about. But again, what about Sugar, Neil, Clarkson and Bruce? All OK or were they guilty of the same as Lineker but only they were defending the right and attacking the left?Late 1935 Germany introduced a law disenfranchising Jews from having legal status.... seems familiar.

(They also introduced laws giving their parliament primacy over the courts etc as well as not allowing public protest... also all eerily familiar)

[silverhibee]

Gary's remarks on Twitter are his own opinion. Fair enough.

But he owes his profile to the BBC who are employing him and that's a special position to be in. Frankly, he's a football pundit and should not get mixed up in politics. If he had said something about the Royal Family would that be OK?

What if he was a right winger, politically? Pardon the allusion!

Would it be ok then?

Fiona Bruce is is in a special position and she seems to think that breaking your wife’s nose is okay as long as it’s a one off and she said that on the BBC, should she be giving her views on domestic abuse on the BBC platform.

[He's here!]

It seems so. Sadly, that includes rabid right wingers such as you.

Voting tactically for list candidates to deny an SNP majority and calling into question the accuracy of a Gary Lineker tweet makes me a rabid right winger?

[Greenbeard]

I really don't mean to be rude but there's really no way anyone won't know why it's inaccurate.
Classic reply from someone unable to explain their view. But I'm open to persuasion, (east or west, which is best....)
Have been accepting of, maybe even enlightened by, some of the subsequent posts by others. Look forward to you enlightening me as to why you say it was "bonkers".
BTW I'll miss Gabby during the rugby this afternoon.

[grunt]

������
I should perhaps admit I stole it from here: https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1634652801497198593?s=20

It has also been pointed out that his maths is wrong - it should be 30x, not 3x.

He has a nice conclusion, as well, which is appropriate for this thread:


So instead of looking at the small boats and shouting at the wind, why not start looking at the REAL reasons you can't get housing, healthcare, your standard of living is falling, and everything seems rubbish*. I'll give you a clue. It isn't Albania.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Retired from playing 30 years ago. Many will remember him that way but for younger folk he's as much Mr Walkers crisps or Mr BBC MOTD.

I’d probably fit your definition of younger folk and for me he’s always been Gary Lineker, ex England striker and brother to the mad ******* with boozers in Cyprus[emoji2371]


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[Rumble de Thump]

Classic reply from someone unable to explain their view. But I'm open to persuasion, (east or west, which is best....)
Have been accepting of, maybe even enlightened by, some of the subsequent posts by others. Look forward to you enlightening me as to why you say it was "bonkers".
BTW I'll miss Gabby during the rugby this afternoon.

If it wasn't obvious before (which you know it was) it's been explained in other people's posts since. Pretending to not understand the blatantly obvious is disingenuous. But what do you hope to achieve with that?

[Iain G]

The thing is this. Don't start talking about Nazis unless you know what you're talking about.
The current situation vis-a-vis migrants is a world away from that.

It's a case of a small country not wanting to be targeted by gangmasters, people smugglers and drug mafias - hence the sudden spike in Albanian folk crossing the Channel.

Our public services are creaking at the seams and we don't need yet more young guys in the black economy or waiting in line in our A and E depts.

I wondered where Priti Patel had been hiding, didn't expect it to be hibs.net 🤣

Nobody mentioned the Nazis until it suited the anti Lineker agenda of the govt and their chums.

[WhileTheChief..]

I would.

I might disagree with him, but I wouldn't try to stop him saying it.

On the other hand, I'm certain that GB News wouldn't be attacking him if he had said that Braverman was right or hadn't gone far enough.

I agree. I've no problem at all about what he Tweeted. I think anyone should be allowed to Tweet anything they like, within the law.

The BBC have screwed up big time here.

But, using your example about Braverman, what do you think the reaction from opposition MPs or the BBC would have been then?

I reckon the BBC would have immediately suspended / dropped him. As it is, they will probably bend over backwards for him now.

[J-C]

I see myself as Scottish but also a British citizen. It's important to me for all sorts of reasons (none of them political) and I don't wish to cede that to a political party who wish to take that identity away from me. Nor do at least half the Scottish electorate. I may not agree with the Tories on a number issues (hence the fact my first-choice vote is always Labour) but on the issue which has smothered Scottish politics for so long they are anti-independence. Lending them my list vote may not be the ideal option but short of eschewing my democratic right and not using that vote it's pretty much the best one available.


Labour and Lib Dem are also anti independence, yet you decide to use your 2nd vote to vote for one of the most immoral corrupt parties in living memory, aye, good for you then. :confused::rolleyes:

[WhileTheChief..]

Nah it's true.


I've lived a decent, moral, life, just like most of us on here I'd imagine.

Just because I've voted Conservative doesn't change that one bit.

So, nah, you're wrong!

[Kato]

I see myself as Scottish but also a British citizen .

Citizen? A bit lefty woke for you, no?

Legally we are all subjects of King Charles. Citizens doesn't come into.

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[Jones28]

I've lived a decent, moral, life, just like most of us on here I'd imagine.

Just because I've voted Conservative doesn't change that one bit.

So, nah, you're wrong!

It really does though. You can’t vote for a political party that are as immoral as this bunch then turn around and say you live a moral life.

[Stairway 2 7]

I've lived a decent, moral, life, just like most of us on here I'd imagine.

Just because I've voted Conservative doesn't change that one bit.

So, nah, you're wrong!

You've enabled the cruelty of the tories which is immoral. 300,000 people are estimated to have died from tory austerity policies. Labour when last in power got 1 million children out of poverty. Under the tories 750,000 of them are back in poverty, its on those who voted for them. Even if you say never mind the kids coming over in boats, what about uk born kids

[DaveF]

Voting tactically for list candidates to deny an SNP majority and calling into question the accuracy of a Gary Lineker tweet makes me a rabid right winger?

I'm not interested in whatever justification you want to put forward. Your posts give you away and did so a long time ago. Time to put you on ignore and make my forum viewing more palatable.

[Stairway 2 7]

Lineker apparently set to come back next week after a bbc climb down. Solidarity of workers for the win

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Lineker apparently set to come back next week after a bbc climb down. Solidarity of workers for the win

Brilliant, no pasaran and all that


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[The Tubs]

Voting tactically for list candidates to deny an SNP majority and calling into question the accuracy of a Gary Lineker tweet makes me a rabid right winger?

Dunno but it helps to get the Greens into government.

[leithsansiro]

Once again you are missing the point and making absolute **** up to suit your agenda. Nowhere on any of his tweets did he say the word Nazi. 1930s Germany started to control what people were saying, control the press, paint immigrants and others as the enemy of working people. Sound familiar? Maybe not to you as you semi pretty keen to let all that happen. What about Sugar, Neil, Clarkson and Bruce? All OK as you mostly agree with them?

100% agree with this. It’s not about calling them Nazis, which he didn’t. It’s about drawing parallels with the way in which human beings are being scapegoated to benefit political agendas.

[Lago]

Lineker apparently set to come back next week after a bbc climb down. Solidarity of workers for the win
Gives BBC time to plan for his successor as they easy him out.

[Just Alf]

100% agree with this. It’s not about calling them Nazis, which he didn’t. It’s about drawing parallels with the way in which human beings are being scapegoated to benefit political agendas.This is exactly why in footy terms (seems appropriate!) , they're all playing the man and not the ball.

[BobMilne]

Scottish education is a devolved issue. You wouldn't have found anyone on the picket lines blaming the Tories for the recent strikes.
What a load of tam kite!!!

Bell end of the day goes to….

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

What a load of tam kite!!!

Bell end of the day goes to….

May I direct you to the Holy Ground, statements like that aren’t out of the ordinary. Mind boggling at times, tbh.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

lots of bampottery from the .net right wingers club

[He's here!]

What a load of tam kite!!!

Bell end of the day goes to….

You don't think education is a devolved issue? It's what Sturgeon asked to be judged on.

[Hibbyradge]

I agree. I've no problem at all about what he Tweeted. I think anyone should be allowed to Tweet anything they like, within the law.

The BBC have screwed up big time here.

But, using your example about Braverman, what do you think the reaction from opposition MPs or the BBC would have been then?

I reckon the BBC would have immediately suspended / dropped him. As it is, they will probably bend over backwards for him now.

Nothing at all would have been done if he said Braverman was correct.

[Lendo]

The thing is this. Don't start talking about Nazis unless you know what you're talking about.
The current situation vis-a-vis migrants is a world away from that.

It's a case of a small country not wanting to be targeted by gangmasters, people smugglers and drug mafias - hence the sudden spike in Albanian folk crossing the Channel.

Our public services are creaking at the seams and we don't need yet more young guys in the black economy or waiting in line in our A and E depts.

I’ve read some amount of pish on here over the years but this one’s right up near the top of that list.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

The thing is this. Don't start talking about Nazis unless you know what you're talking about.
The current situation vis-a-vis migrants is a world away from that.

It's a case of a small country not wanting to be targeted by gangmasters, people smugglers and drug mafias - hence the sudden spike in Albanian folk crossing the Channel.

Our public services are creaking at the seams and we don't need yet more young guys in the black economy or waiting in line in our A and E depts.

Is it not the same party that have motioned this bill that have made cuts to our public services and sold them off to the private sector?


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[WhileTheChief..]

You've enabled the cruelty of the tories which is immoral. 300,000 people are estimated to have died from tory austerity policies. Labour when last in power got 1 million children out of poverty. Under the tories 750,000 of them are back in poverty, its on those who voted for them. Even if you say never mind the kids coming over in boats, what about uk born kids

Ah ok, i get it.

In the same way that if you voted SNP over the last 10 years or so, you enabled so many drug deaths in Scotland?

Should I point the finger at every SNP voter and blame them for anything the Scottish Gov does that I don't like?

Are you to blame for falling education standards or ambulance waiting times for example?

Are you suggesting that anything that happened during a government's term in office, is the responsibility of those that voted for the political party?

Or, do we only direct this kind of stuff at Conservative voters on here?

[WhileTheChief..]

lots of bampottery from the .net right wingers club

Really? Which posts?

[Stairway 2 7]

Ah ok, i get it.

In the same way that if you voted SNP over the last 10 years or so, you enabled so many drug deaths in Scotland?

Should I point the finger at every SNP voter and blame them for anything the Scottish Gov does that I don't like?

Are you to blame for falling education standards or ambulance waiting times for example?

Are you suggesting that anything that happened during a government's term in office, is the responsibility of those that voted for the political party?

Or, do we only direct this kind of stuff at Conservative voters on here?

Drug laws aren't devolved and the dinosaurs at Westminster won't modernise. The difference is one party although constrained by getting a budget and tight parameters tries actively to improve the lives of the poorest. The other actively and deliberately makes life harder for the least fortunate to make it easier for the best off.

[Lendo]

Ah ok, i get it.

In the same way that if you voted SNP over the last 10 years or so, you enabled so many drug deaths in Scotland?

Should I point the finger at every SNP voter and blame them for anything the Scottish Gov does that I don't like?

Are you to blame for falling education standards or ambulance waiting times for example?

Are you suggesting that anything that happened during a government's term in office, is the responsibility of those that voted for the political party?

Or, do we only direct this kind of stuff at Conservative voters on here?


😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[hibby rae]

Drug laws aren't devolved and the dinosaurs at Westminster won't modernise. The difference is one party although constrained by getting a budget and tight parameters tries actively to improve the lives of the poorest. The other actively and deliberately makes life harder for the least fortunate to make it easier for the best off.

I find the latter of those two can be split into two categories, don't know or don't care.

They either don't know about the misery the policies create, or they don't care.

Cameron was the former, Johnson the latter. Met a lot of people at uni who lived in bubbles, ignorant of the world outside their own, never even ventured into Leith, never mind anywhere else, and certainly never engaged with anyone outside their class/social groups, or from those areas.

[WeeRussell]

I find the latter of those two can be split into two categories, don't know or don't care.

They either don't know about the misery the policies create, or they don't care.

Cameron was the former, Johnson the latter. Met a lot of people at uni who lived in bubbles, ignorant of the world outside their own, never even ventured into Leith, never mind anywhere else, and certainly never engaged with anyone outside their class/social groups, or from those areas.

Not wanting to know/care but making themselves feel better by calling people who do care ‘virtue signallers’ or whatever the latest cool term is.

[He's here!]

I'm not interested in whatever justification you want to put forward. Your posts give you away and did so a long time ago. Time to put you on ignore and make my forum viewing more palatable.

Very open minded of you.

[Just Alf]

“A key tenet of Holocaust education is never again, for anyone. The Holocaust is unique, but ‘never again’ is universal. Drawing out similarities and parallels is critical and part of the education.”


Talking about it, highlighting similar language etc is surely a good thing?

[WhileTheChief..]

Drug laws aren't devolved and the dinosaurs at Westminster won't modernise. The difference is one party although constrained by getting a budget and tight parameters tries actively to improve the lives of the poorest. The other actively and deliberately makes life harder for the least fortunate to make it easier for the best off.

So I'll ask again, are you suggesting that everyone that votes for a political party is responsible for anything and everything that party goes on to do in Government?

Laughable to suggest that I'm to blame for kids starving to death or drowning in the Channel or any other BS accusation you want to throw my way.

[cameronw-hfc]

So I'll ask again, are you suggesting that everyone that votes for a political party is responsible for anything and everything that party goes on to do in Government?

Laughable to suggest that I'm to blame for kids starving to death or drowning in the Channel or any other BS accusation you want to throw my way.


Responsible for everything they do? No, responsible for putting them in power despite the glaringly obvious signs to everyone they aren't fit to lead? Absolutely.

You can't vote tory then claim to be immune from any criticisms of the tory party's policies.

[MWHIBBIES]

Responsible for everything they do? No, responsible for putting them in power despite the glaringly obvious signs to everyone they aren't fit to lead? Absolutely.

You can't vote tory then claim to be immune from any criticisms of the tory party's policies.

Indeed. Nothing the Tory party has done has been surprising. It's exactly what they've always done.

[Stairway 2 7]

So I'll ask again, are you suggesting that everyone that votes for a political party is responsible for anything and everything that party goes on to do in Government?

Laughable to suggest that I'm to blame for kids starving to death or drowning in the Channel or any other BS accusation you want to throw my way.
Not everything they do but the parties raison d'etre is being tough on the lowest in society to help the better off. So you are culpable for the affects of them doing what they say they will do.

[greenlex]

The thing is this. Don't start talking about Nazis unless you know what you're talking about.
The current situation vis-a-vis migrants is a world away from that.

It's a case of a small country not wanting to be targeted by gangmasters, people smugglers and drug mafias - hence the sudden spike in Albanian folk crossing the Channel.

Our public services are creaking at the seams and we don't need yet more young guys in the black economy or waiting in line in our A and E depts.
The thing is. The government are creating a situation where it’s almost impossible to come into the country as a legitimate refugee with a legitimate channel and then trying to stop the illegal route they have created an increase demand for. If there was an easier legitimate route then the market for channel crossings would go back to the former trickle it once was. Might actually help fill those NHS positions that need filled into the bargain.

[hibby rae]

The thing is. The government are creating a situation where it’s almost impossible to come into the country as a legitimate refugee with a legitimate channel and then trying to stop the illegal route they have created an increase demand for. If there was an easier legitimate route then the market for channel crossings would go back to the former trickle it once was. Might actually help fill those NHS positions that need filled into the bargain.

Plus they could also change the rules to allow asylum seekers to work, therefore paying tax towards the economy and assisting those public services creaking at the seams.

[cameronw-hfc]

Plus they could also change the rules to allow asylum seekers to work, therefore paying tax towards the economy and assisting those public services creaking at the seams.

Aye but it's easier to just imagine everyone trying to enter the country is a criminal and can't contribute to society, when in reality the vast majority are probably desperate to have to opportunity to do just that

[J-C]

I think it's time the admin put this into the Holy Ground forum, it's deviated way beyond the original post.

[Iain G]

I think it's time the admin put this into the Holy Ground forum, it's deviated way beyond the original post.

So BBC news saying negotiations with Lineker are positive. I expect he will be back in place for the live cup games next weekend.

[Eyrie]

I think it's time the admin put this into the Holy Ground forum, it's deviated way beyond the original post.

Agreed.

The last few pages have reminded me why I never go near that forum.

[Lago]

Agree with J-C this has gone way beyond what I wanted when I started the post, time it was moved or closed.

[Hibbyradge]

Agree with J-C this has gone way beyond what I wanted when I started the post, time it was moved or closed.

https://i.postimg.cc/7Pmh2kqL/FB-IMG-1678664378624.jpg

[jacomo]

Nothing at all would have been done if he said Braverman was correct.


Indeed. Alan Sugar and his Apprentice buddies are all high profile BBC show hosts, blatantly campaign for the Tories (Karen Brady is a Tory peer) and apparently it’s fine?

I’m old enough to remember folk like Bruno Brooks shilling for the Conservatives while presenting BBC shows with huge audiences - again, that was allowed.

Current BBC chair and Director General are card-carrying Tories, plenty of the senior news and current affairs staff too.

The right controls the media and always complains when someone dares to break the line.

If you genuinely believe in free speech then what happened to Lineker is chilling.

[Greenbeard]

https://i.postimg.cc/7Pmh2kqL/FB-IMG-1678664378624.jpg
The good old days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIiNbBQM_Go
Who'll be in the box in the equivalent sketch in 50 years' time?

[hibsbollah]

Indeed. Alan Sugar and his Apprentice buddies are all high profile BBC show hosts, blatantly campaign for the Tories (Karen Brady is a Tory peer) and apparently it’s fine?

I’m old enough to remember folk like Bruno Brooks shilling for the Conservatives while presenting BBC shows with huge audiences - again, that was allowed.

Current BBC chair and Director General are card-carrying Tories, plenty of the senior news and current affairs staff too.

The right controls the media and always complains when someone dares to break the line.

If you genuinely believe in free speech then what happened to Lineker is chilling.

Karren Brady actually gave a donation to the Tory Party in 2016 and again last year, from West Hans own funds, around £10k in both cases. It wasn’t even her money. Utterly bizarre that people of that ilk feel entitled to make these kind of decisions and that it seems to pass largely without censure or comment.

[Stairway 2 7]

Would say that's a win for Gary

Jane Merrick
@janemerrick23
NEW: Gary Lineker will be back presenting MoTD and will be allowed to tweet with no restrictions, BBC insiders say - full statement at 10am
@theipaper

[DaveF]

Would say that's a win for Gary

Jane Merrick
@janemerrick23
NEW: Gary Lineker will be back presenting MoTD and will be allowed to tweet with no restrictions, BBC insiders say - full statement at 10am
@theipaper

Everyone will be waiting for his next tweet if that's the case 😀

[Scotty Leither]

Would say that's a win for Gary

Jane Merrick
@janemerrick23
NEW: Gary Lineker will be back presenting MoTD and will be allowed to tweet with no restrictions, BBC insiders say - full statement at 10am
@theipaper

Back of the net…

[DaveF]

Interesting line from it all. Looks like GL will keep quiet for now...

Davie says: “Gary has agreed to abide by the guidance whilst the independent review takes place."

Not sure ow that works when Davie has admitted the guidance has grey areas.

[Bostonhibby]

Interesting line from it all. Looks like GL will keep quiet for now...

Davie says: “Gary has agreed to abide by the guidance whilst the independent review takes place."

Not sure ow that works when Davie has admitted the guidance has grey areas.Could be all that will happen is Tories in bbc will survive, rewrite the rules, have a purge and appoint even more properly vetted tories next time round? Either that or draft in Fiona Bruce?

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[Iain G]

Back of the net…

Great result for common sense here and a **** you to the government at the same time, considering a lot of MPs were claiming this was a sacking offence.

Good news for a grey and wet Monday morning 😁

[ElginHibbie]

Could be all that will happen is Tories in bbc will survive, rewrite the rules, have a purge and appoint even more properly vetted tories next time round? Either that or draft in Fiona Bruce?

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Wait and see how independent the people running the review into the rules actually are!

[He's here!]

Interesting line from it all. Looks like GL will keep quiet for now...

Davie says: “Gary has agreed to abide by the guidance whilst the independent review takes place."

Not sure ow that works when Davie has admitted the guidance has grey areas.

Compromise on both sides basically. The way such stand-offs tend to get resolved.

[Stairway 2 7]

Bbc actually apologises in their statement, the times is calling it a capitulation by the bbc

Lineker has just tweeted


Gary Lineker 💙💛
@GaryLineker
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33m
After a surreal few days, I’m delighted that we have navigated a way through this. I want to thank you all for the incredible support, particularly my colleagues at BBC Sport, for the remarkable show of solidarity. Football is a team game but their backing was overwhelming

I have been presenting sport on the BBC for almost 3 decades and am immeasurably proud to work with the best and fairest broadcaster in the world. I cannot wait to get back in the MOTD chair on Saturday

A final thought: however difficult the last few days have been, it simply doesn’t compare to having to flee your home from persecution or war to seek refuge in a land far away. It’s heartwarming to have seen the empathy towards their plight from so many of you

We remain a country of predominantly tolerant, welcoming and generous people. Thank you

[Iain G]

Wait and see how independent the people running the review into the rules actually are!

It's been announced as Braverman, Jim Davison, Farage and Laurence Fox as the team undertaking the review...

[Smartie]

Bbc actually apologises in their statement, the times is calling it a capitulation by the bbc

Lineker has just tweeted


Gary Lineker 💙💛
@GaryLineker
·
33m
After a surreal few days, I’m delighted that we have navigated a way through this. I want to thank you all for the incredible support, particularly my colleagues at BBC Sport, for the remarkable show of solidarity. Football is a team game but their backing was overwhelming

I have been presenting sport on the BBC for almost 3 decades and am immeasurably proud to work with the best and fairest broadcaster in the world. I cannot wait to get back in the MOTD chair on Saturday

A final thought: however difficult the last few days have been, it simply doesn’t compare to having to flee your home from persecution or war to seek refuge in a land far away. It’s heartwarming to have seen the empathy towards their plight from so many of you

We remain a country of predominantly tolerant, welcoming and generous people. Thank you

Great tweet.

[grunt]

Compromise on both sides basically. The way such stand-offs tend to get resolved.In what way do you think Lineker has compromised?

[Col2]

Lineker (the good guys) 1 BBC (and the Government) 0

I suspect the BBC Chairman (Tory donor and got Johnson £800k loan) will leave shortly.

[Bostonhibby]

Wait and see how independent the people running the review into the rules actually are!Independent? Dont hold your breath.

Look at the sort of people who will be selecting them. The Tories generally like a good hand picked enquiry panel to keep misconduct and lies in the long grass for as long as possible.

On this occasion it's likely to be quite quick and shut down the likelihood of folk not "on message" getting anywhere near the big roles whilst those with helpful things to say for them will continue to be more prominent.

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[Kato]

Lineker (the good guys) 1 BBC (and the Government) 0

I suspect the BBC Chairman (Tory donor and got Johnson £800k loan) will leave shortly.

Torys hate the word "solidarity". They like everyone disconnected, feeling hopeless and alone.

Victory for Lineker and those who showed solidarity with him. Shows what can be done if right wing cowardice is unveiled.

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[He's here!]

You've enabled the cruelty of the tories which is immoral. 300,000 people are estimated to have died from tory austerity policies. Labour when last in power got 1 million children out of poverty. Under the tories 750,000 of them are back in poverty, its on those who voted for them. Even if you say never mind the kids coming over in boats, what about uk born kids

Labour's last stint in power (their only one in half a century) largely came about because they didn't talk and act like a Labour Party. A key Blair/Brown philosophy was embracing aspiration and wealth production, even on an individual level. 'Red Tory' thinking if you like but there's only so far a 'see that rich f***er over there? They're to blame for all your problems' approach will take you - as Corbyn found out. It was hugely popular and while it took place in very different 'Cool Britannia' economic times it underlines that at heart we are an aspirational nation. That's why Starmer knows he can't only focus on the most disadvantaged when seeking to generate wealth and win votes.

[He's here!]

In what way do you think Lineker has compromised?

I don't think it. It's clear from that statement.

[Kato]

I don't think it. It's clear from that statement.The statement in which he writes more about refugees?

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[grunt]

I don't think it. It's clear from that statement.Help me here, please. Which words from his statement in particular?

[Rumble de Thump]

The BBC's next steps will be to ensure its staff continue to promote the Conservatives and are unable to criticise them, while pretending it is actually trying to ensure impartiality.

[He's here!]

Help me here, please. Which words from his statement in particular?

Think we're at cross purposes? Was referring to the BBC statement another poster quoted earlier about Lineker agreeing to abide by the guidelines while the review takes place. Pretty clear there's compromise there or they'd still be at loggerheads.

[Baader]

I don't think it. It's clear from that statement.

Interesting interpretation. No apology and Lineker doesn't concede any ground. Think it's the BBC who have backed down here. The compromise being for now they keep the same hierarchy who are actively involved in Conservative party support, finances and loans.

[Smartie]

Labour's last stint in power (their only one in half a century) largely came about because they didn't talk and act like a Labour Party. A key Blair/Brown philosophy was embracing aspiration and wealth production, even on an individual level. 'Red Tory' thinking if you like but there's only so far a 'see that rich f***er over there? They're to blame for all your problems' approach will take you - as Corbyn found out. It was hugely popular and while it took place in very different 'Cool Britannia' economic times it underlines that at heart we are an aspirational nation. That's why Starmer knows he can't only focus on the most disadvantaged when seeking to generate wealth and win votes.

You really don't ever sound that much like a Labour voter.

In the interests of balance and fairness, I happily admit to muddled thoughts, mixed and sometimes contradictory opinions.

[Iain G]

Interesting interpretation. No apology and Lineker doesn't concede any ground. Think it's the BBC who have backed down here. The compromise being for now they keep the same hierarchy who are actively involved in Conservative party support, finances and loans.

From the limited statements and tweets we have seen, it feels like a BBC back down, not a compromise.

[ElginHibbie]

From the limited statements and tweets we have seen, it feels like a BBC back down, not a compromise.

Whatever was decided would tried to be sold as a compromise to make both sides look good, but fact Lineker brought up refugees in his statement makes it clear which side has actually won here

[grunt]

Think we're at cross purposes? Was referring to the BBC statement another poster quoted earlier about Lineker agreeing to abide by the guidelines while the review takes place. Pretty clear there's compromise there or they'd still be at loggerheads.
The BBC reporting of the BBC statement appears to omit the interesting detail that the BBC apologised directly to Lineker for suspending him. Doesn't sound like Lineker has compromised at all.

[Iain G]

Whatever was decided would tried to be sold as a compromise to make both sides look good, but fact Lineker brought up refugees in his statement makes it clear which side has actually won here

Human decency prevails!

[Carheenlea]

The BBC have been left in a situation where had they lost Gary Lineker by way of either his resignation or sacking, they would have lost their flagship MOTD programme as well (or at least in its current popular format) which would have been a PR disaster for the corporation.

Probably the most sensible decision all round after a social media molehill was turned into a mountain.

[blackpoolhibs]

Whatever your views on this, the thing i find staggering is Lineker is on a reported £1.3m a year.

Match of the day viewing figures are hovering around the 2 million mark, now i enjoy the programme, but i do wonder if the BBC are getting value for money?

[Stairway 2 7]

Whatever your views on this, the thing i find staggering is Lineker is on a reported £1.3m a year.

Match of the day viewing figures are hovering around the 2 million mark, now i enjoy the programme, but i do wonder if the BBC are getting value for money?

BT and sky both offered him a job at the weekend apparently and it's reported both were well above his bbc wage.

[blackpoolhibs]

BT and sky both offered him a job at the weekend apparently and it's reported both were well above his bbc wage.

I read that, it seems mad when you consider the amount of viewers even Sky and BT get too.

I suppose they must think he's worth it, i think he's good along with Shearer and Wright, but the money they will all be on just does not add up for me. :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

The BBC's next steps will be to ensure its staff continue to promote the Conservatives and are unable to criticise them, while pretending it is actually trying to ensure impartiality.Nail, hammer, heid. They have control.

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[Lago]

Whatever your views on this, the thing i find staggering is Lineker is on a reported £1.3m a year.

Match of the day viewing figures are hovering around the 2 million mark, now i enjoy the programme, but i do wonder if the BBC are getting value for money?
I totally agree with you re Lineker's salary, but equally I find it ridiculous that someone like Shearer is pulling in just short of £ 500k, goodness knows what the rest of the crew are getting, value for money, can't see it.

[Lago]

BT and sky both offered him a job at the weekend apparently and it's reported both were well above his bbc wage.
Fair enough, both these organisations are self financing, BBC is tax payer financed, big difference.

[WhileTheChief..]

Indeed. Alan Sugar and his Apprentice buddies are all high profile BBC show hosts, blatantly campaign for the Tories (Karen Brady is a Tory peer) and apparently it’s fine?

I’m old enough to remember folk like Bruno Brooks shilling for the Conservatives while presenting BBC shows with huge audiences - again, that was allowed.

Current BBC chair and Director General are card-carrying Tories, plenty of the senior news and current affairs staff too.

The right controls the media and always complains when someone dares to break the line.

If you genuinely believe in free speech then what happened to Lineker is chilling.

Greg Dyke was a Labour appointed Director General I think. Swings and roundabouts.

[hibsbollah]

Greg Dyke was a Labour appointed Director General I think. Swings and roundabouts.

That was twenty years ago. Since then the head of news, director general and other senior positions have been stuffed with Tory donors, Tory supporters and actual Tory candidates.

[jacomo]

Greg Dyke was a Labour appointed Director General I think. Swings and roundabouts.


Yes that was some time ago. I’m talking about during this government (2010 onwards). I don’t agree with the Tories on much but previous governments had more respect for genuine freedom of expression.

This lot accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with them (or even is just upholding the law…) of being a traitor - ironic, because they are dragging the UK down quicker than anyone else.

[JimBHibees]

Compromise on both sides basically. The way such stand-offs tend to get resolved.

Nah your lot got pumped :greengrin

[grunt]

Greg Dyke was a Labour appointed Director General I think. Swings and roundabouts.
:greengrin

Greg Dyke was 7 DGs ago, he left the job 19 years ago!! But yeah, swings and roundabouts!

[He's here!]

Whatever your views on this, the thing i find staggering is Lineker is on a reported £1.3m a year.

Match of the day viewing figures are hovering around the 2 million mark, now i enjoy the programme, but i do wonder if the BBC are getting value for money?


He was on closer to £2 million until the best-paid BBC presenters agreed to take a pay cut a couple of years back.

I think he's a decent enough presenter but with so many other (and more comprehensive) outlets for following football these days it's certainly a lot to be paying. I made a point of watching the pundit free highlights on Saturday and quite enjoyed the sense of just watching it the way you do when you're actually at a game.

[He's here!]

The BBC reporting of the BBC statement appears to omit the interesting detail that the BBC apologised directly to Lineker for suspending him. Doesn't sound like Lineker has compromised at all.

Yeh, I hadn't seen Lineker's tweet. Cheeky wee dig I guess, but then they need him more than he needs them. I was quite surprised he didn't walk TBH. There has obviously been some kind of meeting of minds for him to come out and praise them.

[jacomo]

Yeh, I hadn't seen Lineker's tweet. Cheeky wee dig I guess, but then they need him more than he needs them. I was quite surprised he didn't walk TBH. There has obviously been some kind of meeting of minds for him to come out and praise them.


Knives will be out for Lineker now. I hope he’s squeaky clean because you can bet the Mail, Express and Telegraph now have reporters trying to dig dirt on him.

[Iain G]

Yeh, I hadn't seen Lineker's tweet. Cheeky wee dig I guess, but then they need him more than he needs them. I was quite surprised he didn't walk TBH. There has obviously been some kind of meeting of minds for him to come out and praise them.

Or the BBC just said sorry to him!! :rolleyes:

[Kato]

Knives will be out for Lineker now. I hope he’s squeaky clean because you can bet the Mail, Express and Telegraph now have reporters trying to dig dirt on him.That's how it works but the right wing people like that kind of intrusion into their opponents lives. Intrude into BBC Directors political life, donations to the Tories, sorting out loans for The Fat Liar - not a single peep out of them.

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[neil7908]

Knives will be out for Lineker now. I hope he’s squeaky clean because you can bet the Mail, Express and Telegraph now have reporters trying to dig dirt on him.

Tbh he's been in their cross hair for ages

[hibeerealist]

Labour's last stint in power (their only one in half a century) largely came about because they didn't talk and act like a Labour Party. A key Blair/Brown philosophy was embracing aspiration and wealth production, even on an individual level. 'Red Tory' thinking if you like but there's only so far a 'see that rich f***er over there? They're to blame for all your problems' approach will take you - as Corbyn found out. It was hugely popular and while it took place in very different 'Cool Britannia' economic times it underlines that at heart we are an aspirational nation. That's why Starmer knows he can't only focus on the most disadvantaged when seeking to generate wealth and win votes.


Aye, Corbyn and his mates would have us bow towing to Putin and his buddies in a world viewed through lefty glasses. Always the right that are bad.

What about the folk neither right or left that are classed as right cos they are not supporting the commy views? The tories have had numerous **** ups but would it be soooo much better with Corbyn, or likeminded comrades, at the helm?

[Iain G]

Aye, Corbyn and his mates would have us bow towing to Putin and his buddies in a world viewed through lefty glasses. Always the right that are bad.

What about the folk neither right or left that are classed as right cos they are not supporting the commy views? The tories have had numerous **** ups but would it be soooo much better with Corbyn, or likeminded comrades, at the helm?

Can we put Gary Lineker in charge, he seems like a well adjusted individual and he has a nice tan.

[He's here!]

Knives will be out for Lineker now. I hope he’s squeaky clean because you can bet the Mail, Express and Telegraph now have reporters trying to dig dirt on him.

He's almost certainly hastened the end of the licence fee, bearing in mind last week's YouGov polling that showed (IIRC) circa 50% in favour of the core policy of the bill. Are they therefore akin to the Germans who went along with Hitler's persecution of minorities? It's left the BBC in pretty much a no-win situation. Bringing back Lineker after just a few days opens them up to being accused (as you say) by the conservative-minded of being a den of pinko-liberalism. Sticking to their guns would have seen a continued pile-on by the 'cultural' Left. Suspect the 'review' will only kick the can on this issue down the road.

[Stairway 2 7]

He's almost certainly hastened the end of the licence fee, bearing in mind last week's YouGov polling that showed (IIRC) circa 50% in favour of the core policy of the bill. Are they therefore akin to the Germans who went along with Hitler's persecution of minorities? It's left the BBC in pretty much a no-win situation. Bringing back Lineker after just a few days opens them up to being accused (as you say) by the conservative-minded of being a den of pinko-liberalism. Sticking to their guns would have seen a continued pile-on by the 'cultural' Left. Suspect the 'review' will only kick the can on this issue down the road.

Something like 60% of the public thought bbc was wrong in punishing Lineker and 20% say they were right. Id think most of the 20% were a bit bigoted when you scratched the surface so I'd doubt their opinion matters that much

[hibby rae]

Aye, Corbyn and his mates would have us bow towing to Putin and his buddies in a world viewed through lefty glasses. Always the right that are bad.

What about the folk neither right or left that are classed as right cos they are not supporting the commy views? The tories have had numerous **** ups but would it be soooo much better with Corbyn, or likeminded comrades, at the helm?

You think Jeremy Corbyn is a communist?

Maybe read some Marx.

[O'Rourke3]

Aye, Corbyn and his mates would have us bow towing to Putin and his buddies in a world viewed through lefty glasses. Always the right that are bad.

What about the folk neither right or left that are classed as right cos they are not supporting the commy views? The tories have had numerous **** ups but would it be soooo much better with Corbyn, or likeminded comrades, at the helm?Compared to this lot, absolutely.

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[blackpoolhibs]

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1471174806746417

[jacomo]

Aye, Corbyn and his mates would have us bow towing to Putin and his buddies in a world viewed through lefty glasses. Always the right that are bad.

What about the folk neither right or left that are classed as right cos they are not supporting the commy views? The tories have had numerous **** ups but would it be soooo much better with Corbyn, or likeminded comrades, at the helm?


You’re wildly off topic.

[jacomo]

He's almost certainly hastened the end of the licence fee, bearing in mind last week's YouGov polling that showed (IIRC) circa 50% in favour of the core policy of the bill. Are they therefore akin to the Germans who went along with Hitler's persecution of minorities? It's left the BBC in pretty much a no-win situation. Bringing back Lineker after just a few days opens them up to being accused (as you say) by the conservative-minded of being a den of pinko-liberalism. Sticking to their guns would have seen a continued pile-on by the 'cultural' Left. Suspect the 'review' will only kick the can on this issue down the road.


Hmm… only if you look at this through a very distorted lens.

The problem here is Tim Davie, who is clearly politically biased but claims to be ‘passionately’ impartial.

[MrSmith]

Like the Tories, the whole thing is a joke! BBC comedown, Tim Davie and his horde of tory plants need to resign now because they have dragged the BBC through the mill and there is no place for their type of fascism. It is all damage control now so those tory plants can stay in place to ensure the tory party agenda remains on track. I cannot believe a labour voter would vote tory never mind consider and also, I cannot get my head around anyone voting tory given the absolute wretchedness of that party.

[Kato]

Are there Tories out there able to run a non-biased BBC News dept?

Yes in my opinion.

Are there Labour people out there able to run a non-biased BBC News dept?

Yes in my opinion.

Are there supporters of the current Tory Govt out there able to run a non-biased BBC News dept?

Not on your nelly.

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[hibsbollah]

Hmm… only if you look at this through a very distorted lens.

The problem here is Tim Davie, who is clearly politically biased but claims to be ‘passionately’ impartial.

It’s an interesting discussion about passionate impartiality. I was a civil servant for many years and very committed to the idea of public service, and I wouldn’t have let my political views impact on my job-aside from what I thought was just a broad overarching commitment to make the world more habitable for those living in it. The problem with Tim Davie is he’s had an active role as an actual candidate for a political party, it goes past merely donating in a personal capacity or having personal views he can park when he’s doing the day job, he’s actually part of the political process while running the country’s news output. And there are others; as we are starting to see more clearly…

[WeeRussell]

Aye, Corbyn and his mates would have us bow towing to Putin and his buddies in a world viewed through lefty glasses. Always the right that are bad.

What about the folk neither right or left that are classed as right cos they are not supporting the commy views? The tories have had numerous **** ups but would it be soooo much better with Corbyn, or likeminded comrades, at the helm?

I tend to find that people who claim to be neither left or right but come out with stuff like “commy views” and attack Jeremy Corbyn at times like this, are right-leaning the vast majority of the time.

[MrSmith]

I tend to find that people who claim to be neither left or right but come out with stuff like “commy views” and attack Jeremy Corbyn at times like this, are right-leaning the vast majority of the time.

Seconded!

[hibsbollah]

I tend to find that people who claim to be neither left or right but come out with stuff like “commy views” and attack Jeremy Corbyn at times like this, are right-leaning the vast majority of the time.

I have a work colleague very like this. Claims to not know if he’s right wing or left wing, but every trope is straight out of the alt right cliché book. Apparently ‘the elite’ doesn’t refer to the rich anymore, but to the academic establishment, lawyers and the chattering north London lot. And there is far too much victim hood these days. And what about police lives mattering too?

[WhileTheChief..]

Yeah but anyone that is even remotely right of centre is now labelled all sorts of things. That never used to happen.

Besides, it's not just white, wealthy, men, that vote Conservative.

Even here in Scotland, and maybe even other posters on here, will be from ethnic minorities or work in the public service at the same time as voting Conservative.

[Rumble de Thump]

Yeah but anyone that is even remotely right of centre is now labelled all sorts of things. That never used to happen.

Besides, it's not just white, wealthy, men, that vote Conservative.

Even here in Scotland, and maybe even other posters on here, will be from ethnic minorities or work in the public service at the same time as voting Conservative.

It still doesn't happen. But we do now have a problem with what was the UK's mainstream centre right political party having pandered to the far right for a decade in order to hoover up their votes.

[OstKurve Hibs]

Really? Which posts?

I'm still waiting cabbagenribs reply to back his claim up about .net right wingers aswell, the silence is deafening,
That insult is thrown around very loosely these days by doo gooders who source their news from the bbc and the daily record/sun newspapers.

[Baader]

Aye, Corbyn and his mates would have us bow towing to Putin and his buddies in a world viewed through lefty glasses. Always the right that are bad.

What about the folk neither right or left that are classed as right cos they are not supporting the commy views? The tories have had numerous **** ups but would it be soooo much better with Corbyn, or likeminded comrades, at the helm?

It's the Tories who have been happy to receive oligarch cash with links to Putin.

[Kato]

It's the Tories who have been happy to receive oligarch cash with links to Putin."Always accuse your enemies of that which you are guilty of yourself." Facsist playbook.

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[The Baldmans Comb]

Lineker 1:0.

It was an open goal though and the English TV bosses never stood a chance not that having to apologize will bother them one little bit.

Imagine Scottish people paying money to fund this farcical charade, dafties to a man.:confused:

[The Baldmans Comb]

Lineker 1:0.

It was an open goal though and the English TV bosses never stood a chance not that having to apologize will bother them one little bit.

Imagine Scottish people paying money to fund this farcical charade, which is one of many.
Complete dafties to a man.:confused:

[GREEN WARLORD]

Lineker played a blinder and worked his script, which the BBC gave him beautifully. He was never getting sacked but simply used because of his celebrity status, to highlight an immigration story. I'm just waiting in Starmer (who was receiving orders in Davos recently), to state we have an immigration issue, therefore me must push on with a digital ID system, which conveniently the Tony Blair Institute has been working hard on.

[Hibbyradge]

Lineker played a blinder and worked his script, which the BBC gave him beautifully. He was never getting sacked but simply used because of his celebrity status, to highlight an immigration story. I'm just waiting in Starmer (who was receiving orders in Davos recently), to state we have an immigration issue, therefore me must push on with a digital ID system, which conveniently the Tony Blair Institute has been working hard on.

He didn't play a blinder. He didn't play anything at all.

He published one tweet and was suspended for doing so. He didn't do anything else. The reaction of his colleagues and people in the general public made the BBC back down.

[GREEN WARLORD]

He didn't play a blinder. He didn't play anything at all.

He published one tweet and was suspended for doing so. He didn't do anything else. The reaction of his colleagues and people in the general public made the BBC back down.

I disagree, i believe it was all staged.

[Iain G]

Lineker 1:0.

It was an open goal though and the English TV bosses never stood a chance not that having to apologize will bother them one little bit.

Imagine Scottish people paying money to fund this farcical charade, which is one of many.
Complete dafties to a man.:confused:

It was a daft enough jumble of words when you posted it the first time.

Can you only view this through your tartan blinkers?

[blackpoolhibs]

I disagree, i believe it was all staged.

I dont think so, he tweeted an opinion like he does a lot, the BBC then decided to make an arse of themselves and then the media frenzy commenced.

As a side issue, just watching the news and there is a scrum of photographers outside his house taking pictures and video of him walking his dog, why?

I'm pretty sure we all know what Lineker looks like, and he's not daft enough to say anything stupid to them.

Seems a complete waste of time and effort to me? :confused:

[WeeRussell]

I disagree, i believe it was all staged.

You think the tories/bbc asked (paid even) Lineker to point out how bad the policy and language is in order to get people talking about immigration?

[Iain G]

I disagree, i believe it was all staged.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Rumble de Thump]

I dont think so, he tweeted an opinion like he does a lot, the BBC then decided to make an arse of themselves and then the media frenzy commenced.

As a side issue, just watching the news and there is a scrum of photographers outside his house taking pictures and video of him walking his dog, why?

I'm pretty sure we all know what Lineker looks like, and he's not daft enough to say anything stupid to them.

Seems a complete waste of time and effort to me? :confused:

I don't know what his dog looks like.

[Glory Lurker]

I don't know what his dog looks like.

It's got really funny eyes.

[blackpoolhibs]

I don't know what his dog looks like.
:greengrin

[Lago]

I don't know what his dog looks like.
An ugly mutt

[Glory Lurker]

An ugly mutt

There's no such thing!

[McD]

I'm still waiting cabbagenribs reply to back his claim up about .net right wingers aswell, the silence is deafening,
That insult is thrown around very loosely these days by doo gooders who source their news from the bbc and the daily record/sun newspapers.


the bbc? Have you been paying attention to this?

let’s walk it through:

you think ‘right wing’ is an insult thrown about by people who get their news from the bbc.

Gary lineker tweets criticising the ring wing government, and is suspended by the right wing influenced bbc.

Yet you think it’s people on the left who source their news from the bbc…? I can only think you infer it’s people on the left, as I doubt people on the right would using right wing as an insult

[greenlex]

I don't know what his dog looks like.

Never mind what it looks like does it have its own bank account?

[He's here!]

Something like 60% of the public thought bbc was wrong in punishing Lineker and 20% say they were right. Id think most of the 20% were a bit bigoted when you scratched the surface so I'd doubt their opinion matters that much

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-ignorance-of-gary-lineker/

Think it's safe to say you might find Julie Burchill under that scratched surface...was her evolution from 'hip young NME gunslinger' to right-wing columnist a gradual one or were the traits always there? Ditto Tony Parsons.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-ignorance-of-gary-lineker/

Think it's safe to say you might find Julie Burchill under that scratched surface...was her evolution from 'hip young NME gunslinger' to right-wing columnist a gradual one or were the traits always there? Ditto Tony Parsons.

Julie Burchill went full Morrissey quite a few years back. David Aaronovitch and Rod Liddle minus the vocal cords. An absolute ‘heid the baw’ as well as an horrendous writer.

[Hibbyradge]

I disagree, i believe it was all staged.

Are you serious?

Staged by whom and for what reason?

[Scotty Leither]

Knives will be out for Lineker now. I hope he’s squeaky clean because you can bet the Mail, Express and Telegraph now have reporters trying to dig dirt on him.

I think Lineker would be of strong enough character to ride out any particular **** show that these pernicious rags would seek to concoct.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I have a work colleague very like this. Claims to not know if he’s right wing or left wing, but every trope is straight out of the alt right cliché book. Apparently ‘the elite’ doesn’t refer to the rich anymore, but to the academic establishment, lawyers and the chattering north London lot. And there is far too much victim hood these days. And what about police lives mattering too?

i always thought The Establishment were the Conservative Party, their mates in the corporate banking world and legal professions, the monarchy, the old aristocracy and the church. (And Rangers and Hearts naturally :greengrin)

imagine my dismay when a handful of years ago people started referring to the left wing establishment and the liberal elite! I must have missed the changeover when it happened!

[Jack]

i always thought The Establishment were the Conservative Party, their mates in the corporate banking world and legal professions, the monarchy, the old aristocracy and the church. (And Rangers and Hearts naturally :greengrin)

imagine my dismay when a handful of years ago people started referring to the left wing establishment and the liberal elite! I must have missed the changeover when it happened!

It's not instead, it's as well as.

[He's here!]

Julie Burchill went full Morrissey quite a few years back. David Aaronovitch and Rod Liddle minus the vocal cords. An absolute ‘heid the baw’ as well as an horrendous writer.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/morrissey-brexit-magnificent-britain-leave-european-union-a7379361.html

Morrissey...I've heard it argued that the signs were always there that he was right-leaning but that it was assumed a band like The Smiths couldn't possibly harbour such views. He certainly became a lot more open about it as his solo career unfolded.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/morrissey-brexit-magnificent-britain-leave-european-union-a7379361.html

Morrissey...I've heard it argued that the signs were always there that he was right-leaning but that it was assumed a band like The Smiths couldn't possibly harbour such views. He certainly became a lot more open about it as his solo career unfolded.

I was a big fan of their music. And I defended him until quite late on when it had become obvious to most that he had gone past irony or parody (which you could argue with songs like National Front Disco), but as time went by it became apparent he held racial purity to be important and didn’t like what England had become ( so ****ed off to LA where there is no such thing as an indigenous culture, ironically).

But he is honest about his prejudices unlike many others, and having a debate about race is pretending it doesn’t exist or pretending it’s about ‘stretched public services’ and so on.

[He's here!]

I was a big fan of their music. And I defended him until quite late on when it had become obvious to most that he had gone past irony or parody (which you could argue with songs like National Front Disco), but as time went by it became apparent he held racial purity to be important and didn’t like what England had become ( so ****ed off to LA where there is no such thing as an indigenous culture, ironically).

But he is honest about his prejudices unlike many others, and having a debate about race is pretending it doesn’t exist or pretending it’s about ‘stretched public services’ and so on.

Yeh, I've still got a copy of his Your Arsenal album somewhere which must have been released circa 30 years ago. I do remember being a bit confused by that song, wondering if he meant it when he sang 'England for the English'.

[hibsbollah]

Yeh, I've still got a copy of his Your Arsenal album somewhere which must have been released circa 30 years ago. I do remember being a bit confused by that song, wondering if he meant it when he sang 'England for the English'.

It’s a great piece of work, unfortunately. As is ‘English blood, Irish heart’ from 15 years ago;

“ I've been dreaming of a time when/The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories. To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful, racist or partial. And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell/And denounce this royal line that still salutes him. And will salute him, forever".

But I think he’s moved on from that now.
And this thread has surely gone full fat Holy Ground now :agree:

[Lago]

It’s a great piece of work, unfortunately. As is ‘English blood, Irish heart’ from 15 years ago;

“ I've been dreaming of a time when/The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories. To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful, racist or partial. And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell/And denounce this royal line that still salutes him. And will salute him, forever".

But I think he’s moved on from that now.
And this thread has surely gone full fat Holy Ground now :agree:
Said that pages ago.

[jacomo]

Julie Burchill went full Morrissey quite a few years back. David Aaronovitch and Rod Liddle minus the vocal cords. An absolute ‘heid the baw’ as well as an horrendous writer.


Spot on.

She’s a nutcase… one of those young ‘radicals’ who becomes consumed with self-hatred and bile as they get older.

[GreenGray]

You think the tories/bbc asked (paid even) Lineker to point out how bad the policy and language is in order to get people talking about immigration?

Wasn’t staged (obviously) it did do a good job of dominating the news for 4/5 days and meant no one properly analysed this terrible bill.


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[pollution]

Irony, sweet irony

[Hibbyradge]

Irony, sweet irony

?

[easty]

?

Thats exactly what I thought

[MWHIBBIES]

?

Mr Lineker is unwell and cant present today due to losing his voice.

I'm amusing the irony is that he used his voice recently to stick up for the most vulnerable and helpless people in the world, much to the chagrin of the knuckle-dragging Tories, and now he's lost it.

Shame, as he's an excellent presenter. Although Logan, Chapman, Jason Mohammed etc are too. Get well soon Gary.

[Hibbyradge]

Mr Lineker is unwell and cant present today due to losing his voice.

I'm amusing the irony is that he used his voice recently to stick up for the most vulnerable and helpless people in the world, much to the chagrin of the knuckle-dragging Tories, and now he's lost it.

Shame, as he's an excellent presenter. Although Logan, Chapman, Jason Mohammed etc are too.

Gotcha thanks.