Ban The Rangers From The Next Home Game?

[hibee_girl]

Cut their allocation and gently increase it until they prove they can behave. As soon as they start their ***** again it resets. I’d start by giving them a single section and fill the rest of the away end with tickets gifted to the community.

We all know that they will never have a full capacity away stand again. The same goes for Celtic and their folk songs/oh ah up the RA *****.

All very well saying gift tickets to the community but I know of at least two rangers fans who were in the FF stand last night after getting free tickets.

[The Baldmans Comb]

The silence from Hibs today will be as defeaning as its always been but if Sevco asked for another minutes applause for a terrorist sympathiser like Goram then Hibs would just roll over as they always do.

Its not just bigotry, its far far worse with vile racism , support for terrorist organizations and the cruel mocking of a very decent man for no other reason than its what they do as they know no one least of all Hibs will do anything about it.

The only thing missing is for some Hibs fan to chunter on about his mate/family member who is such a "good lad" and never joins in and is one of the "decent ones".

Take a long hard look and listen as you are being totally played which you know fine well but choose to ignore.

[Pretty Boy]

The whole things is just rigged. It's rules for two and then rules for the rest of us.

Hibs and Police Scotland pursue an individual for throwing a solitary smoke bomb on the pitch at Tynecastle. that person is now banned from games and has a criminal record. Last night we were treated to a Poundland version of the Edinburgh festival fireworks at the start of the 2nd half and I guarantee you won't see a single news report about anyone being pursued or banned. it happens at almost every away game they play and nothing is ever done. I like pyro but the law is the law and if it's to be applied then surely it has to be consistent.

Hibs announce pre match that bigotry is unacceptable and can lead to a football banning order. Then during a tribute to our recently deceased chairman they sing a song that uses a word that whatever it's origins is now generally accepted as a generic slur against Catholics, particularly those of Irish descent when used in the manner it was last night. Nothing will be done about it.

Watch the likes of Aberdeen or Dundee Utd come to ER and hang a banner over the advertising boards. It gets torn down and has to be moved to cover empty seats instead. last night a dozen or more banners draped over the top tier. Nothing done about it. More inconsistency.

When Glenn kamara was racially abused Rangers demanded everyone back them and we all did. I have no objection to that, racism and xenophobia is abhorrent. Last night with 10 minutes to go they sing a song mocking a state sponsored genocide masquerading as a natural disaster telling us to 'go home'. Nothing will be done about it because anti Irish xenophobia is just a weird quirk of Scottish society rather than being called out for what it is.

They behave the way they do because they know the media, the Police, stewards and other clubs are terrified of them so they know they will get away with it. Jim Spence was brave enough to take them on and he's paid with his BBC career for it. I'm utterly sick of them, their entire fanbase is either bigots or cowards who would rather be apologists for bigots rather than having the balls to stand up to them. **** them and keep them out of our stadium in future.

[Leith Green]

I seriously hope we are never asked to observe any kind of silence or applause for anyone or anything to do with that lot. I can tell you now , it wont be happening from me.

[The Modfather]

Until our own fans don’t retaliate with their own songs we don’t have. A leg to stand on. And I say that from someone that wants it all banned and fines put in place.

Why can’t we deal with both? Ban our fans singing those songs and/or eventually close sections of our own stands as a deterrent if need be. While at the same time calling out Rangers & Celtc and taking similar action.

[Mick O'Rourke]

/Moved my comments from another thread,now this one has been created.



This has been a very tough few days for the management and players.
i can only guess the mood at HTC and how they all felt after the church service yesterday.
It hit us all, Ron passsing so soon.They must have been really devastated.

Not using that an excuse for our performance, but i wont pan players for it.

Just a pity it was a game against a team whose followers mostly have no empathy for anyone.
Irony there is,Ron.i believe ,was a practising Episcopalian.
I guess the Zombies thought that was an RC offshoot church,and delighted themselves in their vile,despicable anti Catholic disruption throughout the match in front of the grieving Gordon family.

Shameless ignorant peepul ? Or real bigots and sociopaths?
A Cancer in a beautiful Country.
A sad reflection in a mostly tolerant nation.
Bar a few enclaves!
May the bigots burn in hell ,Larkhall and Kilwinning and wherever the exist!

We (our club) must,if others wont,finally shout aloud that this a serious issue that needs action at the highest level of our game and existing laws enforced.
For the time being?
Stop the ticket allocation for these bigoted sociopaths. Now !
And tell them,and the media.
Now ! Yes a statement from the club.


We Love You Ron
You wont be forgotten
SOL
Glory Glory to the Hibees

:hibees
We have a good enough outfit to match them head to head
Lets do it next time.


Sorry for the rant, but i am both angry and sad at what happened tonight(not the score so much.bad as it was)
But the vile filth that continuallty came out the South Stand.
I am 71 yrs of age and endured this and worse being a Catholic in many aspects of my life.
(work and advancement being one that can hamper career> and it saddens me that this institutional bigotry still exists after all these years.
Govts promise change,then do zilch and establishments cough and splutter, then turn a blind eye and pour the sherry and port.
It is all pathetic and that club that died and unfortunately rose again will ensure the status quo.
If the rest of the Scottish community stay silent.
=Think i will move to Peru !

[Carheenlea]

While a ban would be preferable, it’s probably unlikely.
I’d be upping the ticket price by a minimum of £10 for Rangers supporters for next season. £45 a ticket let’s say. If in the unlikely event of any games passing without sectarian chanting then the price can be considered being reduced back to standard for following season. Look on what would be an extra £80K in gate receipts for a couple of games as compensation/punishment.

[Brightside]

I didn’t think it would be possible, but after the disrespect they have shown to a recently deceased man who has caused them no harm what so ever (and in front of his recently bereaved family), I have even less respect for that rotten club. I just don’t know how otherwise decent people can look the other way and support a club like that. Every club has its idiots but they are on another level.

Our own fans happily singing Lizzie’s in a box doesn’t really help our cause. Until we appear whiter than white our club will continue to ignore.

[Brightside]

Why can’t we deal with both? Ban our fans singing those songs and/or eventually close sections of our own stands as a deterrent if need be. While at the same time calling out Rangers & Celtc and taking similar action.

I’d be happy with that but then we wouldnt have our “ultras”

[Paulie Walnuts]

While a ban would be preferable, it’s probably unlikely.
I’d be upping the ticket price by a minimum of £10 for Rangers supporters for next season. £45 a ticket let’s say. If in the unlikely event of any games passing without sectarian chanting then the price can be considered being reduced back to standard for following season. Look on what would be an extra £80K in gate receipts for a couple of games as compensation/punishment.

They’d have to do the same for our fans in the Famous Five unfortunately.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Our own fans happily singing Lizzie’s in a box doesn’t really help our cause. Until we appear whiter than white our club will continue to ignore.
No excuse,but it was not the majority.
This tit for tat stuff some in our support engage in with them would all stop if the real elephant in the room was dealt with legally by the powers that be.
It can be done. Where there is a will....

[Carheenlea]

They’d have to do the same for our fans in the Famous Five unfortunately.

There’s lots of “rules and regulations” in Scottish Football. Most are ignored.

If we wanted, I reckon we could charge whatever we like. The authorities would have a bigger problem dealing with the fallout of why we would be putting their ticket prices up. More bother than it’s worth to them.

[Logie Green]

I seriously hope we are never asked to observe any kind of silence or applause for anyone or anything to do with that lot. I can tell you now , it wont be happening from me.

Perhaps the next time we’re asked to do so we should sing ‘The Billy Boys’, that way we’d get a free pass like they do.

[LunasBoots]

The whole things is just rigged. It's rules for two and then rules for the rest of us.

Hibs and Police Scotland pursue an individual for throwing a solitary smoke bomb on the pitch at Tynecastle. that person is now banned from games and has a criminal record. Last night we were treated to a Poundland version of the Edinburgh festival fireworks at the start of the 2nd half and I guarantee you won't see a single news report about anyone being pursued or banned. it happens at almost every away game they play and nothing is ever done. I like pyro but the law is the law and if it's to be applied then surely it has to be consistent.

Hibs announce pre match that bigotry is unacceptable and can lead to a football banning order. Then during a tribute to our recently deceased chairman they sing a song that uses a word that whatever it's origins is now generally accepted as a generic slur against Catholics, particularly those of Irish descent when used in the manner it was last night. Nothing will be done about it.

Watch the likes of Aberdeen or Dundee Utd come to ER and hang a banner over the advertising boards. It gets torn down and has to be moved to cover empty seats instead. last night a dozen or more banners draped over the top tier. Nothing done about it. More inconsistency.

When Glenn kamara was racially abused Rangers demanded everyone back them and we all did. I have no objection to that, racism and xenophobia is abhorrent. Last night with 10 minutes to go they sing a song mocking a state sponsored genocide masquerading as a natural disaster telling us to 'go home'. Nothing will be done about it because anti Irish xenophobia is just a weird quirk of Scottish society rather than being called out for what it is.

They behave the way they do because they know the media, the Police, stewards and other clubs are terrified of them so they know they will get away with it. Jim Spence was brave enough to take them on and he's paid with his BBC career for it. I'm utterly sick of them, their entire fanbase is either bigots or cowards who would rather be apologists for bigots rather than having the balls to stand up to them. **** them and keep them out of our stadium in future.

One rule for all other football fans outside the OF, even at the DUTD Aberdeen game the other night they are pursuing the flare lighters/throwers, won't hear a word about the ugly sisters and any police investigation as they just let them get away with it.

[1 8 7 5]

Hibs say we have a zero tolerance approach to bigotry, so time to actually show it and ban Rangers fans from the stadium for the next match.

Was as bad as I can remember it tonight and Hibs are complicit if they do nothing about it.

You can shove the Show Racism The Red Card and taking the knee against discrimination up your arse if you allow what we heard tonight to pass.

Spot on.

Its time for Hibernian give rangers the very minimum allocation at ER from now on. Enough is enough.

[Mick O'Rourke]

While a ban would be preferable, it’s probably unlikely.
I’d be upping the ticket price by a minimum of £10 for Rangers supporters for next season. £45 a ticket let’s say. If in the unlikely event of any games passing without sectarian chanting then the price can be considered being reduced back to standard for following season. Look on what would be an extra £80K in gate receipts for a couple of games as compensation/punishment.

No amount of cash,in my opinion, can compensate for this blight, not only at football grounds ,but throughout the Country.
Particularly in the Summer months in many towns.
I have a Roman Catholic relative ,who lives in a mostly orange Lanarkshire town who takes his annual holiday abroad in middle two weeks of July to get away from it all ,as he would otherwise mostly stay indoors during this expression of their perceived dominance and aligned bigotry.

Sad in the 21st Century , isnt it ?

[Brightside]

No excuse,but it was not the majority.
This tit for tat stuff some in our support engage in with them would all stop if the real elephant in the room was dealt with legally by the powers that be.
It can be done. Where there is a will....

Good. Quicker that happens the better.

[Carheenlea]

I seriously hope we are never asked to observe any kind of silence or applause for anyone or anything to do with that lot. I can tell you now , it wont be happening from me.

We have before, and very recently too. If asked to do so again in future I’ll do so again.

What would be classed by most people as perfectly normal behaviour. The behaviour from the Rangers support is as far detached from we would look upon as decent minded behaviour. I’ve no desire to lower myself into that sewer of social morals any time soon.

[Hibby70]

Let's all sing up to our knees in Asian blood and see how the press/SFA/uefa deal with it.

I have a feeling it would be different.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Let's all sing up to our knees in Asian blood and see how the press/SFA/uefa deal with it.

I have a feeling it would be different.

:agree:

I think I know exactly what the reaction would be from the police, stewards and thankfully also other Hibs fans if I decided to repeatedly call Kyogo a chinky in a couple of weeks at Celtic Park.

Quite why the attitude towards bigotry is so different is anyone’s guess.

[Hibernian Verse]

:agree:

I think I know exactly what the reaction would be from the police, stewards and thankfully also other Hibs fans if I decided to repeatedly call Kyogo a chinky in a couple of weeks at Celtic Park.

Quite why the attitude towards bigotry is so different is anyone’s guess.

The police don't have the resources to charge 50,000 people after their next home game sadly.

[Halmyre Hibee]

The SFA, SPFL, Police Scotland and the Scottish Government are all to blame for allowing bigotry and sectarianism to prosper in this country. It will never go away unless tough & radical measures are taken. Hit the clubs hard with fines, points deductions and even ban them from representing our country in European competitions. Hit them hard and were it will hurt them the most.

[Pretty Boy]

The police don't have the resources to charge 50,000 people after their next home game sadly.

So is the message that if you want to break the law in a Scottish football stadium arrange to do it in as big a group as possible and you'll get away with it?

1 person throws a smoke bomb = Extensive investigation, pursued for weeks, criminal record
30 people hold up flares = Free pass
1 person uses a racist slur = Extensive investigation, video analysis, sound experts called in and multiple statements
3500 people tell people to go home and call them fenian *******s = Free pass

[pacorosssco]

Just give them what they give us as an allocation from now on.

[Carheenlea]

The SFA, SPFL, Police Scotland and the Scottish Government are all to blame for allowing bigotry and sectarianism to prosper in this country. It will never go away unless tough & radical measures are taken. Hit the clubs hard with fines, points deductions and even ban them from representing our country in European competitions. Hit them hard and were it will hurt them the most.

They’ve sort of hoped it will just go away, or that nobody makes too much of a big deal over it.

As they shirk their responsibilities,the consequence of that is that it is getting progressively worse.

We’re moving into the mid 2020’s, but our authorities are pushing Scottish football back into the mid 1970’s.

[Pretty Boy]

Our own fans happily singing Lizzie’s in a box doesn’t really help our cause. Until we appear whiter than white our club will continue to ignore.

It's comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended) though.

One is a few dafties singing a provocative song looking for a reaction and is very much a minority. Unacceptable but then most of our fans call it out as such and it doesn't and won't ever spread across the fanbase. The other is a systemic issue that transcends football and runs right through Scottish society. Scenes like we saw last night are replicated on our streets every summer and at every home and away game Rangers play. It's on another level entirely and comes from a far darker place than a few kiddie on ultras being silly.

False equivalences are a huge part of the problem and it's their go to defence every time even if it's utter bollocks. No one in Scottish football, even those with relatively big fanbases like Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen, has the kind of rampant bigotry and sectarianism that Rangers and Celtic do (I usually put Celtic a rung down from Rangers but their performance at the LC Final with repeated references to 'orange *******s' has hardly furthered their cause). There is plenty sung and shouted inside a football stadium that crosses the line from bad taste and into offensive but what we witnessed last night and every time they visit is on another level. There is no comparison to be made with us or anyone else. We don't have to be whiter than white to call that out.

[GreenGray]

The SFA, SPFL, Police Scotland and the Scottish Government are all to blame for allowing bigotry and sectarianism to prosper in this country. It will never go away unless tough & radical measures are taken. Hit the clubs hard with fines, points deductions and even ban them from representing our country in European competitions. Hit them hard and were it will hurt them the most.

They’re scared of annoying them let’s be honest, the pair of them have far too much power in this country. Sickening.


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[1 8 7 5]

It's comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended) though.

One is a few dafties singing a provocative song looking for a reaction and is very much a minority. Unacceptable but then most of our fans call it out as such and it doesn't and won't ever spread across the fanbase. The other is a systemic issue that transcends football and runs right through Scottish society. Scenes like we saw last night are replicated on our streets every summer and at every home and away game Rangers play. It's on another level entirely and comes from a far darker place than a few kiddie on ultras being silly.

False equivalences are a huge part of the problem and it's their go to defence every time even if it's utter bollocks. No one in Scottish football, even those with relatively big fanbases like Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen, has the kind of rampant bigotry and sectarianism that Rangers and Celtic do (I usually put Celtic a rung down from Rangers but their performance at the LC Final with repeated references to 'orange *******s' has hardly furthered their cause). There is plenty sung and shouted inside a football stadium that crosses the line from bad taste and into offensive but what we witnessed last night and every time they visit is on another level. There is no comparison to be made with us or anyone else. We don't have to be whiter than white to call that out.

:top marks

[heretoday]

They’re scared of annoying them let’s be honest, the pair of them have far too much power in this country. Sickening.


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Big deal.

[Since452]

The SFA, SPFL, Police Scotland and the Scottish Government are all to blame for allowing bigotry and sectarianism to prosper in this country. It will never go away unless tough & radical measures are taken. Hit the clubs hard with fines, points deductions and even ban them from representing our country in European competitions. Hit them hard and were it will hurt them the most.

Of which many will be "staunch" themselves. It's ingrained in this country. For every decent follower of other teams and people in society in this country who can't be arsed with that nonsense, the way we handle these morons is an embarrassment. For anyone Rangers/Celtic minded it's all part of the rivalry and will be swept under the carpet forever more.

[Just_Jimmy]

So is the message that if you want to break the law in a Scottish football stadium arrange to do it in as big a group as possible and you'll get away with it?

1 person throws a smoke bomb = Extensive investigation, pursued for weeks, criminal record
30 people hold up flares = Free pass
1 person uses a racist slur = Extensive investigation, video analysis, sound experts called in and multiple statements
3500 people tell people to go home and call them fenian *******s = Free passYou know fine well that it's not that simple to just blame the police or any single organisation.

It needs a joined up approach and the only thing that will work is closing stands and grounds for significant time and docking points.

The police can charge all 3500 you refer to, by the time they're through the courts there will be the 60000 from the next game and then the 3500 from the next. It'll never end and it's unsustainable with a justice system that is on its knees like all public service.

The only answer is to make the club responsible and start docking points and shutting grounds.

That won't happen, because as I've repeatedly said on here, Scottish football is bent.

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[Bristolhibby]

What is the “take” from a full away end?

For the OF they come three times a season guaranteed, with another two depending if we end up top six or not.

Can we smooth that out across a seasons worth of home tickets?

I’d be glad to pay a bit more and give them 300 tickets per visit to ER.

J

[Kato]

I'd have them all in, let them sing what they want but have close ups of as many of them as possible on the big screens. Never been a fan of banning them or censoring, the only way fans changed is self policing, but let's see exactly who they are as individuals.



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[One Day Soon]

You know fine well that it's not that simple to just blame the police or any single organisation.

It needs a joined up approach and the only thing that will work is closing stands and grounds for significant time and docking points.

The police can charge all 3500 you refer to, by the time they're through the courts there will be the 60000 from the next game and then the 3500 from the next. It'll never end and it's unsustainable with a justice system that is on its knees like all public service.

The only answer is to make the club responsible and start docking points and shutting grounds.

That won't happen, because as I've repeatedly said on here, Scottish football is bent.

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Scottish football absolutely is bent. And so are all the institutions and individuals that help it stay bent by turning a blind eye, ear and microphone to what continues to go on.

As I've argued before, the sectarianism isn't just sickening prejudice. It's actually the core economic model that made two clubs vastly bigger than all the rest. The reason it is ignored and sustained isn't just because it falls into the 'too hard to tackle' category, it is also ignored and sustained because preserving it is core to the economic model that keeps these two dominant.

Always follow the money. Always.

[gbhibby]

Unless we have strict liability it will go on for another 150 years.

[Just_Jimmy]

Scottish football absolutely is bent. And so are all the institutions and individuals that help it stay bent by turning a blind eye, ear and microphone to what continues to go on.

As I've argued before, the sectarianism isn't just sickening prejudice. It's actually the core economic model that made two clubs vastly bigger than all the rest. The reason it is ignored and sustained isn't just because it falls into the 'too hard to tackle' category, it is also ignored and sustained because preserving it is core to the economic model that keeps these two dominant.

Always follow the money. Always.Correct.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Scottish football absolutely is bent. And so are all the institutions and individuals that help it stay bent by turning a blind eye, ear and microphone to what continues to go on.

As I've argued before, the sectarianism isn't just sickening prejudice. It's actually the core economic model that made two clubs vastly bigger than all the rest. The reason it is ignored and sustained isn't just because it falls into the 'too hard to tackle' category, it is also ignored and sustained because preserving it is core to the economic model that keeps these two dominant.

Always follow the money. Always.

Think it's actually a 2 way thing. Sectarian tribalism is the core around which the clubs' success are built. However, their sucess also draws fans from all over the place including many where sectarian tribalism largely doesn't exist. In the same way there are Man U fans all over England, Juve fans all over Italy, Bayern fans all over Germany etc. These people then get drawn into the bigotry thing and the whole thing perpetuates. Both clubs become a bit less tribal when they're winning but as we've seen with the New Rangers over the last 10 years, when there's no or limited success, it's very much their fall back.

[JeMeSouviens]

What is the “take” from a full away end?

For the OF they come three times a season guaranteed, with another two depending if we end up top six or not.

Can we smooth that out across a seasons worth of home tickets?

I’d be glad to pay a bit more and give them 300 tickets per visit to ER.

J

Say it's 4000 * 3.5 = 14000 fan visits * £33 = £462,000

So roughly a loss of £400K. If we had 12K ST holders and say 3K walk ups per game or 57000 fan visits, then you could cover it with an average increase of £25 per ST and £2 per walk up ticket.

[Ich liebe Deek]

Ban the ginger haired guy who sits/stands/moves around the back row of the East stand behind block seven while we’re at it.Boy is a pest of the highest order every Rangers game.Loses his mind altogether he’s no right in the head

[GIBBY NEWTON]

Seen it all in just under 60 years of going to Easter road would never allow them back in NEVER !!!!!

[Frazerbob]

Say it's 4000 * 3.5 = 14000 fan visits * £33 = £462,000

So roughly a loss of £400K. If we had 12K ST holders and say 3K walk ups per game or 57000 fan visits, then you could cover it with an average increase of £25 per ST and £2 per walk up ticket.

It's actually considerably less of a loss. If we give them 800 tickets, as an example. That's 3000 less per game. 3000 x 3 = 9000. 9000 x £32 = £288k. Subtract VAT = £230,400. Lower operational costs as fewer stewards & police required, hopefully more home fans as parents will bring their kids etc so I'd estimate a loss of circa £150k. Punt McKirdy, job done lol

[One Day Soon]

Say it's 4000 * 3.5 = 14000 fan visits * £33 = £462,000

So roughly a loss of £400K. If we had 12K ST holders and say 3K walk ups per game or 57000 fan visits, then you could cover it with an average increase of £25 per ST and £2 per walk up ticket.


I've not checked your sums JMS (I save that for our political discussions!) but if you are saying that I could have Rangers fans excluded from Easter Road all season for an extra £25 on our season tickets then that's £50 I would pay in a heartbeat. Especially if it was buying the seat to give to eg younger proto-Hibees who we could draw closer to the club for future years.

[blackpoolhibs]

People are actually scared to criticise that club, they fear for their safety by calling them out for their actions.

They are also scared of losing the revenue they bring to every club.

There is also the fact that a fair percentage of clubs and their owners are hun sympithisers too.

Someone has to be very brave and put their principles first before safety and profit and make a stance, how many would follow?:confused:

[JeMeSouviens]

It's actually considerably less of a loss. If we give them 800 tickets, as an example. That's 3000 less per game. 3000 x 3 = 9000. 9000 x £32 = £288k. Subtract VAT = £230,400. Lower operational costs as fewer stewards & police required, hopefully more home fans as parents will bring their kids etc so I'd estimate a loss of circa £150k. Punt McKirdy, job done lol

The VAT thing doesn't work as we're covering a gross reduction with a gross addition. And the example I was responding to gave them 300 tix.

The bigger home crowd is unknowable but I agree there is potential and, yes, good point re opex. I've no idea how much we pay for extra police and stewards at cat A games?

Edit: punting McKirdy I'm totally on board with!

[JeMeSouviens]

I've not checked your sums JMS (I save that for our political discussions!) but if you are saying that I could have Rangers fans excluded from Easter Road all season for an extra £25 on our season tickets then that's £50 I would pay in a heartbeat. Especially if it was buying the seat to give to eg younger proto-Hibees who we could draw closer to the club for future years.

Lolz - "GERS deficits" everywhere. :wink:

[ancient hibee]

Moira Gordon calling them out in the Scotsman.

[snedzuk]

No amount of cash,in my opinion, can compensate for this blight, not only at football grounds ,but throughout the Country.
Particularly in the Summer months in many towns.
I have a Roman Catholic relative ,who lives in a mostly orange Lanarkshire town who takes his annual holiday abroad in middle two weeks of July to get away from it all ,as he would otherwise mostly stay indoors during this expression of their perceived dominance and aligned bigotry.

Sad in the 21st Century , isnt it ?

The traffic signals in Larkhall have mesh over the green lights to stop them getting tanned so frequently - I have not made this up.

[snedzuk]

Just give them what they give us as an allocation from now on.

In percentage of ground capacity terms.

[snedzuk]

It's actually considerably less of a loss. If we give them 800 tickets, as an example. That's 3000 less per game. 3000 x 3 = 9000. 9000 x £32 = £288k. Subtract VAT = £230,400. Lower operational costs as fewer stewards & police required, hopefully more home fans as parents will bring their kids etc so I'd estimate a loss of circa £150k. Punt McKirdy, job done lol

Is it not less still as that assumes all tickets are £33 with no concessions?

[zitelli62]

Our sunshine on leith and 69th minutes applause was for our owner this lizzies in a box and royal family songs have nothing at all to do with the rangers I'm sure unfortunately they are everyone's king and queen and not the property of the rangers.

[SHODAN]

Maybe this is something that can be initiated by the fans?

Can someone start a Kickstarter etc to raise the equivalent of 3,500 away tickets (around £100k if policing costs are incorporated) that will be paid directly to the club conditional on Rangers recieving no tickets to the next home game?

We need to do this. I'm done with putting up with their ***** twice a year.

[Chorley Hibee]

Our sunshine on leith and 69th minutes applause was for our owner this lizzies in a box and royal family songs have nothing at all to do with the rangers I'm sure unfortunately they are everyone's king and queen and not the property of the rangers.

Exactly!

The death of the Queen was **** all to do with them, and our support was impeccable at the silence for Walter Smith.

The club must take action NOW!

[yonder1875]

Our sunshine on leith and 69th minutes applause was for our owner this lizzies in a box and royal family songs have nothing at all to do with the rangers I'm sure unfortunately they are everyone's king and queen and not the property of the rangers.

Yep and one was on the face of it, a decent man who didn’t make enemies with anyone up here and tried to better Scottish football.

And the other… well I should stop there before something unpopular gets said but they really aren’t comparable at all.

The queen didn’t know or give a **** about them.

[Carheenlea]

Maybe this is something that can be initiated by the fans?

Can someone start a Kickstarter etc to raise the equivalent of 3,500 away tickets (around £100k if policing costs are incorporated) that will be paid directly to the club conditional on Rangers recieving no tickets to the next home game?

We need to do this. I'm done with putting up with their ***** twice a year.

Deep down, I’m sure we all know there is not a chance of raising circa £100K from our support for such a venture.

My choice is to raise their ticket prices by enough for us to make ourselves an extra £100K - not funded by us who would be penalised for Rangers supporters behaviour, but by the perpetrators themselves.

[JohnM1875]

There has to be something we can do? I have no idea if it's something KP can highlight? Or maybe he already has?

Maybe an email from .net as a collective to the club/Ben? Though I know not all want their allocation cut so maybe not a goer. At least then we'd get a response from the club?

I'm still absolutely fuming about them last night.

[.Sean.]

Silence as per usual from the club. What needs to happen for OUR club to stand up for US. I’m ****ing sick of it. Get this Hibs Class pish in the bin and come out fighting for once.

Some things are worth more than money. Value and morals for one. They sing about being up to their knees in basically our founders blood, during a moment of respect for our recently deceased owner. They’re vile and it’s about time we stick them in a corner and pelted them with objects for 90 minutes like they do to us. Then haud them back for an hour and let the police be smug and sarcy ********s to them. I was raging last night during it and tbh I’m disgusted at the club not at least speaking out about it - they’re complicit by doing hee haw and as are the rest of the clubs. No wonder they filthbags have such levels of self entitlement and a we can do whatever the fk we want attitude when every other team in the league let that support away with murder and the polis don’t even bother to police them.

The only highlight from last night was watching burning embers from their light show rain down on their fellow fans

[Chorley Hibee]

Silence as per usual from the club. What needs to happen for OUR club to stand up for US. I’m ****ing sick of it. Get this Hibs Class pish in the bin and come out fighting for once.

Some things are worth more than money. Value and morals for one. They sing about being up to their knees in basically our founders blood, during a moment of respect for our recently deceased owner. They’re vile and it’s about time we stick them in a corner and pelted them with objects for 90 minutes like they do to us. Then haud them back for an hour and let the police be smug and sarcy ********s to them. I was raging last night during it and tbh I’m disgusted at the club not at least speaking out about it - they’re complicit by doing hee haw and as are the rest of the clubs. No wonder they filthbags have such levels of self entitlement and a we can do whatever the fk we want attitude when every other team in the league let that support away with murder and the polis don’t even bother to police them.

The only highlight from last night was watching burning embers from their light show rain down on their fellow fans

Agreed, our club won't say a word.

They're cowards, and complicit in everything those hun *******s get away with at Easter Road.

Zero tolerance policy at Easter Road my arse.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Yep and one was on the face of it, a decent man who didn’t make enemies with anyone up here and tried to better Scottish football.

And the other… well I should stop there before something unpopular gets said but they really aren’t comparable at all.

The queen didn’t know or give a **** about them.

I’ll say it, the queen was a controversial character to say the least who protected her paedophile son, she reigned as monarch of a nation state that facilitated state sponsored murder and oppression around the globe, was photographed doing Nazi salutes, was the head of a sect of Christianity that I’d wager less than 10% of Scotland subscribe to yet we all had to pay to keep her and her family, was the figurehead for British exceptionalism which to this day makes vast swathes of the UK believe that the empire was a good thing and the wars in the Middle East are justified blah blah blah that’s before I even mention Northern Ireland.

Now, compare all of that to Ron Gordon who made a few quid off his business expertise and managed to buy a football club, I’m not sure I even understand their comparison? Are they saying that because we didn’t all stand in silence for a colonialist, racist, near enough feudal monarch, that’s the same as disrupting the silence for a man who has done very little to upset anyone as far as I can see? I’m not saying it’s right to disrupt a minutes respect, but if I was going to… the royal family would be high on my list, and I’d imagine a lot of other peoples who oppose all things I’ve mentioned.


****ing weird to be that obsessed with them anyway, maybe we should start an opt out scheme for the tax to pay for their upkeep and let the morons pay extra for them.


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[OstKurve Hibs]

I’ll say it, the queen was a controversial character to say the least who protected her paedophile son, she reigned as monarch of a nation state that facilitated state sponsored murder and oppression around the globe, was photographed doing Nazi salutes, was the head of a sect of Christianity that I’d wager less than 10% of Scotland subscribe to yet we all had to pay to keep her and her family, was the figurehead for British exceptionalism which to this day makes vast swathes of the UK believe that the empire was a good thing and the wars in the Middle East are justified blah blah blah that’s before I even mention Northern Ireland.

Now, compare all of that to Ron Gordon who made a few quid off his business expertise and managed to buy a football club, I’m not sure I even understand their comparison? Are they saying that because we didn’t all stand in silence for a colonialist, racist, near enough feudal monarch, that’s the same as disrupting the silence for a man who has done very little to upset anyone as far as I can see? I’m not saying it’s right to disrupt a minutes respect, but if I was going to… the royal family would be high on my list, and I’d imagine a lot of other peoples who oppose all things I’ve mentioned.


****ing weird to be that obsessed with them anyway, maybe we should start an opt out scheme for the tax to pay for their upkeep and let the morons pay extra for them.


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Nail on head !

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Nail on head !

Should’ve edited not a silence but a tribute none the less, ****ing weird people


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[matty_f]

It's comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended) though.

One is a few dafties singing a provocative song looking for a reaction and is very much a minority. Unacceptable but then most of our fans call it out as such and it doesn't and won't ever spread across the fanbase. The other is a systemic issue that transcends football and runs right through Scottish society. Scenes like we saw last night are replicated on our streets every summer and at every home and away game Rangers play. It's on another level entirely and comes from a far darker place than a few kiddie on ultras being silly.

False equivalences are a huge part of the problem and it's their go to defence every time even if it's utter bollocks. No one in Scottish football, even those with relatively big fanbases like Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen, has the kind of rampant bigotry and sectarianism that Rangers and Celtic do (I usually put Celtic a rung down from Rangers but their performance at the LC Final with repeated references to 'orange *******s' has hardly furthered their cause). There is plenty sung and shouted inside a football stadium that crosses the line from bad taste and into offensive but what we witnessed last night and every time they visit is on another level. There is no comparison to be made with us or anyone else. We don't have to be whiter than white to call that out.

The false equivalence thing is spot on, I tweeted about banning Rangers fans and got the same "your fans sang about Lizze" crap. The two aren't the same and when folk put them together to rationalise why no action is being taken it devalues the whole conversation and prevents real progress being made to deal with it.

I'm 100% in favour of a full ban along with an explanation of why. And I advocate targeting their sponsors etc to make them guilty by association and just go them from all angles.

[snedzuk]

There has to be something we can do? I have no idea if it's something KP can highlight? Or maybe he already has?

Maybe an email from .net as a collective to the club/Ben? Though I know not all want their allocation cut so maybe not a goer. At least then we'd get a response from the club?

I'm still absolutely fuming about them last night.

This - print out this thread since last night and send it to hibs recorded delivery with a request for a view on the contents from the club - that's what I plan to do.

[.Sean.]

This - print out this thread since last night and send it to hibs recorded delivery with a request for a view on the contents from the club - that's what I plan to do.
That’s a great idea.

Could KP ask the board to have a look at this thread to gauge how strong the majority of us feel on the matter?

[gbhibby]

This - print out this thread since last night and send it to hibs recorded delivery with a request for a view on the contents from the club - that's what I plan to do.

Mr Power it's no up to you to pass on the feelings of the majority of the Hibs support.

Did our club come out with a statement when they sung about Neil Lennon our manager, they sung We thought you were dead we hoped you were dead?

[WeeRussell]

That’s a great idea.

Could KP ask the board to have a look at this thread to gauge how strong the majority of us feel on the matter?

+1

[WhileTheChief..]

That’s a great idea.

Could KP ask the board to have a look at this thread to gauge how strong the majority of us feel on the matter?

Good idea but you’d need to gauge the opinion of a far wider audience I think.

Tin hat firmly on here but you guys calling for Rangers fans to be banned will be in the tiny minority amongst us.

A few of you care really passionately about the issue but a lot more don’t give a damn, or very little.

I think having only Hibs fans in ER would suck big time and hope the club don’t ban them.

[Since452]

I've seen some Rangers fans proud as punch for trying (and failing) to drown out SOL. It's all because we disrespected the Queen apparently. A woman with no connection whatsoever to Scottish football never mind Rangers. What a weird support they are.

[WhileTheChief..]

So is the message that if you want to break the law in a Scottish football stadium arrange to do it in as big a group as possible and you'll get away with it?

1 person throws a smoke bomb = Extensive investigation, pursued for weeks, criminal record
30 people hold up flares = Free pass
1 person uses a racist slur = Extensive investigation, video analysis, sound experts called in and multiple statements
3500 people tell people to go home and call them fenian *******s = Free pass

Yup, always been that way.

If you stood in Trafalgar Square alone singing about Jimmy Hill’s sexuality, there’s a good chance you’d have been lifted.

Sing it in Wembley with thousands of others and you were safe as houses.

[yonder1875]

Good idea but you’d need to gauge the opinion of a far wider audience I think.

Tin hat firmly on here but you guys calling for Rangers fans to be banned will be in the tiny minority amongst us.

A few of you care really passionately about the issue but a lot more don’t give a damn, or very little.

I think having only Hibs fans in ER would suck big time and hope the club don’t ban them.

You really believe that only a tiny minority of Hibs fans would support a ban of Rangers fans at Easter Road? It seems to be the opposite to me. Why on earth would anyone want them in our stadium?

[WhileTheChief..]

The false equivalence thing is spot on, I tweeted about banning Rangers fans and got the same "your fans sang about Lizze" crap. The two aren't the same and when folk put them together to rationalise why no action is being taken it devalues the whole conversation and prevents real progress being made to deal with it.

I'm 100% in favour of a full ban along with an explanation of why. And I advocate targeting their sponsors etc to make them guilty by association and just go them from all angles.

You’ve done a few podcasts with club officials, what was their view when you asked them about it?

If you didn’t challenge them, are you also complicit in the same way as our sponsors?

Will you ask them next time and make them aware of how strongly you feel about it?

Not having a dig at you here, well I guess I kinda am, but you’ve been in the position to actually challenge the club and do something about it.

I think that’s probably a better way to try and action change than moaning on here! Sorry.

[WhileTheChief..]

You really believe that only a tiny minority of Hibs fans would support a ban of Rangers fans at Easter Road? It seems to be the opposite to me. Why on earth would anyone want them in our stadium?


Atmosphere , rivalry, tribalism etc.

I’d say most folk enjoy going to these games more than when Livi or Ross Co or whoever visits. The larger crowds tend to suggest that too.

[Since452]

Good idea but you’d need to gauge the opinion of a far wider audience I think.

Tin hat firmly on here but you guys calling for Rangers fans to be banned will be in the tiny minority amongst us.

A few of you care really passionately about the issue but a lot more don’t give a damn, or very little.

I think having only Hibs fans in ER would suck big time and hope the club don’t ban them.

A full ban is maybe...maybe too much. Giving them the bare minimum 300 tickets would be ideal. I'd start going back to Hibs Rangers games. I don't want to hear their repertoire of songs about fenians dying etc so they could be easily drowned out and ridiculed which would be quite fun actually.

[LunasBoots]

Unless we have strict liability it will go on for another 150 years.

Dossier should be made from all clubs of incidents send it to UEFA or whoever, and demand pressure on the national body, if no action or improvement action taken against them.

[gbhibby]

Dossier should be made from all clubs of incidents send it to UEFA or whoever, and demand pressure on the national body, if no action or improvement action taken against them.
Would be great if this happened.

[.Sean.]

Good idea but you’d need to gauge the opinion of a far wider audience I think.

Tin hat firmly on here but you guys calling for Rangers fans to be banned will be in the tiny minority amongst us.

A few of you care really passionately about the issue but a lot more don’t give a damn, or very little.

I think having only Hibs fans in ER would suck big time and hope the club don’t ban them.
I never said ban them. I said treat them as they treat us. Tuck them away in a wee corner and hold them back at full time. They have enough of an advantage what with their playing budget that dwarfs ours and a penalty head start every week without giving them a further advantage of 4000 packed into an end roaring them on.

That’s before we even get into why they shouldn’t have that allocation in the first place, and as to why they shouldn’t get 4000 tickets for one I’ve explained umpteen times and two there’s a swear filter on here. Certainly more than the minority as you put it want to see an end to the days of they fuds coming to us and taking over. And as I said it’s time Hibs forgot about relying on lining their pockets and actually live up to our values and morals

Get these horrible thick odious bigots so far to **** Hibs honestly

[hibsbollah]

A full ban is maybe...maybe too much. Giving them the bare minimum 300 tickets would be ideal. I'd start going back to Hibs Rangers games. I don't want to hear their repertoire of songs about fenians dying etc so they could be easily drowned out and ridiculed which would be quite fun actually.

I’m with this. Allow a few of them in just to remind us how ****my they actually are.

[foxy]

Hate to give them credit but our neighbours across the city have cut the their allocation to just 1400 and sold season tickets in the Roseburn Stand to their own fans.
I think they are due a minimum of 5% of the stadium capacity which would limit them to 1000 tickets but that would need us to sell at least an extra 2,000-2,500 tickets allowing for segregation.

[WeeRussell]

Good idea but you’d need to gauge the opinion of a far wider audience I think.

Tin hat firmly on here but you guys calling for Rangers fans to be banned will be in the tiny minority amongst us.

A few of you care really passionately about the issue but a lot more don’t give a damn, or very little.

I think having only Hibs fans in ER would suck big time and hope the club don’t ban them.

Gauge it as far as you want. There will be far more Hibs fans would like to see the club and Scottish football take a stand against those ***** than think they should be able to do whatever they want because it makes an atmosphere.

[Bridge hibs]

Hate to give them credit but our neighbours across the city have cut the their allocation to just 1400 and sold season tickets in the Roseburn Stand to their own fans.
I think they are due a minimum of 5% of the stadium capacity which would limit them to 1000 tickets but that would need us to sell at least an extra 2,000-2,500 tickets allowing for segregation.

They are doing it because there is a demand for the extra seats, yeah I know there always appears to be empty seats whenever they play. We unfortunately dont have the same demand. I would applaud them if the reason was the same as ours but its not, so **** them 😀

[Brightside]

It's comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended) though.

One is a few dafties singing a provocative song looking for a reaction and is very much a minority. Unacceptable but then most of our fans call it out as such and it doesn't and won't ever spread across the fanbase. The other is a systemic issue that transcends football and runs right through Scottish society. Scenes like we saw last night are replicated on our streets every summer and at every home and away game Rangers play. It's on another level entirely and comes from a far darker place than a few kiddie on ultras being silly.

False equivalences are a huge part of the problem and it's their go to defence every time even if it's utter bollocks. No one in Scottish football, even those with relatively big fanbases like Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen, has the kind of rampant bigotry and sectarianism that Rangers and Celtic do (I usually put Celtic a rung down from Rangers but their performance at the LC Final with repeated references to 'orange *******s' has hardly furthered their cause). There is plenty sung and shouted inside a football stadium that crosses the line from bad taste and into offensive but what we witnessed last night and every time they visit is on another level. There is no comparison to be made with us or anyone else. We don't have to be whiter than white to call that out.


I'd say ask Ben if he thinks we need to be whiter than white before he goes to war on this. The level doesn't matter when the optics are poor. It doesn't have to be a false equivalence. It just needs one shout from our stand to appear on socials and our argument is left battered and bruised. Ban them all including our own fans and then we can make a start on it.

[matty_f]

You’ve done a few podcasts with club officials, what was their view when you asked them about it?

If you didn’t challenge them, are you also complicit in the same way as our sponsors?

Will you ask them next time and make them aware of how strongly you feel about it?

Not having a dig at you here, well I guess I kinda am, but you’ve been in the position to actually challenge the club and do something about it.

I think that’s probably a better way to try and action change than moaning on here! Sorry.
I have previously, yes, and there was little appetite to do anything given the behaviour of some of our fans.

I'll continue to challenge them on it.

As for our sponsors, you've misunderstood - I meant target Rangers' sponsors.

[CL0762]

Atmosphere , rivalry, tribalism etc.

I’d say most folk enjoy going to these games more than when Livi or Ross Co or whoever visits. The larger crowds tend to suggest that too.

Rivalry, tribalism.

Having to explain to my son what a “fenian *******” is and why the “IRA ran away” and also who the **** Bobby Sands is.

Aye, that’s right enjoyable that.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Rivalry, tribalism.

Having to explain to my son what a “fenian *******” is and why the “IRA ran away” and also who the **** Bobby Sands is.

Aye, that’s right enjoyable that.

Now this is in no way a defence of rangers fans or their behaviour, just to clarify. However, you know what they’re like, surely? You’re familiar with the songs they sing and the banners they display, the views they (of course not all of them that’d be a sweeping generalisation but the vocal minority/majority whatever) hold and voice. If you think that’s an appropriate setting for your son then that’s fine that’s your call, but you took him there knowing that it’s rangers we’re playing and these songs are going to be sung 99.9999% of the time by them. It needs to be called out, yes. On the other hand, you could’ve avoided exposing your laddie to that kind of thing if you didn’t want him to be, no?


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[WeeRussell]

Now this is in no way a defence of rangers fans or their behaviour, just to clarify. However, you know what they’re like, surely? You’re familiar with the songs they sing and the banners they display, the views they (of course not all of them that’d be a sweeping generalisation but the vocal minority/majority whatever) hold and voice. If you think that’s an appropriate setting for your son then that’s fine that’s your call, but you took him there knowing that it’s rangers we’re playing and these songs are going to be sung 99.9999% of the time by them. It needs to be called out, yes. On the other hand, you could’ve avoided exposing your laddie to that kind of thing if you didn’t want him to be, no?


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Maybe so, but he’s quite right to be questioning why he would have to address such things at a football match in 2023.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Maybe so, but he’s quite right to be questioning why he would have to address such things at a football match in 2023.

Absolutely and I totally agree however, if I was worried about exposing my bairn to sectarian bigotry I’d just not take them to games against the old firm or against hearts. Of course we’re no angels on this front either but realistically we couldn’t lay a glove on the Huns in the bigotry stakes and the chance of hearing any bigoted language at say hibs vs Dundee Utd would be extremely slim. Just think it’s a bit like sticking your hand in the fire and complaining it was hot tbh


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[WeeRussell]

Absolutely and I totally agree however, if I was worried about exposing my bairn to sectarian bigotry I’d just not take them to games against the old firm or against hearts. Of course we’re no angels on this front either but realistically we couldn’t lay a glove on the Huns in the bigotry stakes and the chance of hearing any bigoted language at say hibs vs Dundee Utd would be extremely slim. Just think it’s a bit like sticking your hand in the fire and complaining it was hot tbh


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Yeah I don’t disagree, and it’s probably where we are, but pretty sad that it’s on hibs fans not to take bairns to the football rather than stopping the ***** that come out with the bile from going.

[ancient hibee]

Did I catch something on TV re young fans throwing stuff onto the park?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Yeah I don’t disagree, and it’s probably where we are, but pretty sad that it’s on hibs fans not to take bairns to the football rather than stopping the ***** that come out with the bile from going.

And I don’t disagree with you there either but the fact of the matter is they were going, they did go and everyone was fully aware of that fact when they decided to bring their children.

Actually I think letting kids hear things like that from a certain age upwards can be a good learning experience for them, it definitely never done me any harm or turned me into a raging bigot. I asked the questions to my old man too as a wee laddie and he explained (probably quite biased in his explanation as I’m sure most would be one way or the other) about the origins of the sectarianism that blights this country and what they’re singing about etc. I didn’t go to a hibs rangers match until I was maybe 9/10 because my old man thought i was too young to be exposed to their bile before then, but eventually kids need to learn about the society they’re living in.


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[Carheenlea]

And I don’t disagree with you there either but the fact of the matter is they were going, they did go and everyone was fully aware of that fact when they decided to bring their children.

Actually I think letting kids hear things like that from a certain age upwards can be a good learning experience for them, it definitely never done me any harm or turned me into a raging bigot. I asked the questions to my old man too as a wee laddie and he explained (probably quite biased in his explanation as I’m sure most would be one way or the other) about the origins of the sectarianism that blights this country and what they’re singing about etc. I didn’t go to a hibs rangers match until I was maybe 9/10 because my old man thought i was too young to be exposed to their bile before then, but eventually kids need to learn about the society they’re living in.


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Im similar, and now in my early 50`s. 40 years down the line and the blight of sectarianism in Scotland is as bad as ever.

The campaign to eradicate this stain on our country must be one of most half-hearted campaigns of all time. Ultimately, the will isn't really there from those who hold the power.

[Chorley Hibee]

Did I catch something on TV re young fans throwing stuff onto the park?

Young Hibs fans no doubt, and Hibs, the authorities, and most of the MSM, will come down on them like a ton of bricks, whilst saying, and doing, absolutely nothing about the hordes indulging in their usual antics in the South stand.

As I said before, they're all shameless cowards who continually give tacit approval to the Huns and their behaviour.

It's beyond time for our club to finally grow a backbone on the issue.

[Paulie Walnuts]

In percentage of ground capacity terms.

:agree:

And if that means seats need to sit empty in their section for segregation purposes then it would just make it all the funnier hearing them up in arms at the fact there could have been more ‘bears’ there.

[CL0762]

Now this is in no way a defence of rangers fans or their behaviour, just to clarify. However, you know what they’re like, surely? You’re familiar with the songs they sing and the banners they display, the views they (of course not all of them that’d be a sweeping generalisation but the vocal minority/majority whatever) hold and voice. If you think that’s an appropriate setting for your son then that’s fine that’s your call, but you took him there knowing that it’s rangers we’re playing and these songs are going to be sung 99.9999% of the time by them. It needs to be called out, yes. On the other hand, you could’ve avoided exposing your laddie to that kind of thing if you didn’t want him to be, no?


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My point was the poster I quoted saying it was “enjoyable” when in actual fact it’s sad that in 2023, I’m having to explain what these things mean and what they mean in the context of football.

He’s 12, so he’s not daft - he likely hears far worse when he’s out and about with his pals.

If I didn’t want my laddie exposed to anything he shouldn’t be, he’d be locked in a room on his own with no access to anything but unfortunately that’s not possible in this day and age.

[Cod Boy]

I know folk want to follow Hibs away from home i for one will not spend another penny going to ibrox horrible horrible shower of ****

[Leith Green]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-fans-slam-hibs-over-29418103


Thats the only thing of note that happened last night apparently.. Everything is about them , and nothing else really matters..

[Logie Green]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-fans-slam-hibs-over-29418103


Thats the only thing of note that happened last night apparently.. Everything is about them , and nothing else really matters..

What they’re saying is that they’re happy to stand in over-populated areas inside away grounds but don’t want the inconvenience of being asked if they’ve got a ticket before they get in. Correct?

[Leith Green]

What they’re saying is that they’re happy to stand in over-populated areas inside away grounds but don’t want the inconvenience of being asked if they’ve got a ticket before they get in. Correct?


Poor wee lambs

[Glory Lurker]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-fans-slam-hibs-over-29418103


Thats the only thing of note that happened last night apparently.. Everything is about them , and nothing else really matters..

Hibs have been approached for comment. What? The police do what Hibs tell them? Why aren't they approaching Police Scotland? Maybe because they'll give an explanation that their Orc readership won't like?

[weecounty hibby]

I have to say that I am absolutely pig sick of having those low life, moronic, bigots come to our home, our city and act like they can do as they please. From bevvying on every street corner, to singing BANNED sectarian songs, to intimidating folk going about their business, to outright violence and anti social behaviour they are almost untouchable.
If we as a club restricted their allocation it would stop a whole load of these issues. As a club, country, society we should not and cannot allow this sort of thing to continue. Hibs can't control wider society but we can control what happens inside our home. We need to take a firm stance about this, as we have with the one individual who threw a flare, as this has a huge impact on us. After last night I can genuinely see me stop going to games v them. I don't enjoy them, I don't want to hear the disgusting filth that spews from the away end, I don't enjoy seeing them disrespect our club, our people, our owner, our heritage ( I am neither Irish or catholic). I also don't enjoy what it does to me. I find myself getting wound up, angry, aggressive, actually unhealthily agitated. We as a club have been groundbreaking ,innovating, leaders in the Scottish game. We should be again and take the lead in the battle against racism and religious bigotry and tell them that after last night we can no longer tolerate them being in our home. Money is the least of our concerns, we are about equality, dignity, inclusion in all walks of life and the rangers support is not compatible with any of that. I would also add that if celtic continue with their "folk songs" I'd do the same with them. This is Scotland in 2023 we need to move on and every revolution starts with the first action. If Hibs start that revolution I will be even prouder of my club than I am now. I hope Kieran Power is paying attention to these posts and is taking this back to the club

[gbhibby]

Hibs have been approached for comment. What? The police do what Hibs tell them? Why aren't they approaching Police Scotland? Maybe because they'll give an explanation that their Orc readership won't like?
Don't give that comic the time of day.

[JohnM1875]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-fans-slam-hibs-over-29418103


Thats the only thing of note that happened last night apparently.. Everything is about them , and nothing else really matters..

I ****ing hate them.

I'm actually quite a chilled out accepting person. But I despise them.

[WhileTheChief..]

I have previously, yes, and there was little appetite to do anything given the behaviour of some of our fans.

I'll continue to challenge them on it.

As for our sponsors, you've misunderstood - I meant target Rangers' sponsors.

Fair play, and yeah i thought you meant our sponsors.

I just think we make a big deal about this for a few days every time we play Rangers, then it all goes quiet until we face them again.

We regularly hear about sectarianism being a blight in Scotland and that nothing has changed for 40+ years. I don't believe that for a second. Scotland, as a whole, has moved on massively since the 70s or 80s.

If you step away from football for a second, or if you're a member of the public with zero interest in the game, where do you see sectarianism?

My point being, is that it's just not a discussion the public are having. It never has been. It's only something that football fans talk about, and the football media will occasionally touch on it. Other than that, nothing. It's never on the news or discussed in Holyrood.

So why is that? Why isn't the country up in arms about it and asking for things to be done? I guess we all have our own thoughts as to why.

Ask a non-football fan what think about sectarianism in Scotland. I'll bet it won't provide much of a discussion at all.

Anyways, this just my take on things and I clearly don't have evidence or surveys or anything to back any of this up. Just chewing the fat.

[WhileTheChief..]

Rivalry, tribalism.

Having to explain to my son what a “fenian *******” is and why the “IRA ran away” and also who the **** Bobby Sands is.

Aye, that’s right enjoyable that.

When I was a kid and asked my dad what rival fans were singing, he'd either say he didn't know or that he'd tell me when I was older. Simple.

By the time i was 15 or 16 I'd have been singing our colourful songbook of the 80s without giving one thought as to what it meant or any offence caused.

But i guess when we were all singing about slashing folks faces on the Albion road, we were kinda deliberately being offensive!

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Fair play, and yeah i thought you meant our sponsors.

I just think we make a big deal about this for a few days every time we play Rangers, then it all goes quiet until we face them again.

We regularly hear about sectarianism being a blight in Scotland and that nothing has changed for 40+ years. I don't believe that for a second. Scotland, as a whole, has moved on massively since the 70s or 80s.

If you step away from football for a second, or if you're a member of the public with zero interest in the game, where do you see sectarianism?

My point being, is that it's just not a discussion the public are having. It never has been. It's only something that football fans talk about, and the football media will occasionally touch on it. Other than that, nothing. It's never on the news or discussed in Holyrood.

So why is that? Why isn't the country up in arms about it and asking for things to be done? I guess we all have our own thoughts as to why.

Ask a non-football fan what think about sectarianism in Scotland. I'll bet it won't provide much of a discussion at all.

Anyways, this just my take on things and I clearly don't have evidence or surveys or anything to back any of this up. Just chewing the fat.

That’s actually a good point re how far we’ve come since the 70s/80s. My dads generation were refused jobs because of what school they went to, wouldn’t imagine that’d happen much nowadays


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[18Craig75]

The club needs to get a handle on it somehow otherwise it’ll be more and more Hibs fans that just don’t bother turning up to these games. It’s not worth it anymore.

Of course the ultimate aim has to be to get a successful, winning team on the park that means the demand is there from Hibs fans and it becomes an easy decision. Like Hearts are doing now (away to wash my mouth out).

[gbhibby]

I have to say that I am absolutely pig sick of having those low life, moronic, bigots come to our home, our city and act like they can do as they please. From bevvying on every street corner, to singing BANNED sectarian songs, to intimidating folk going about their business, to outright violence and anti social behaviour they are almost untouchable.
If we as a club restricted their allocation it would stop a whole load of these issues. As a club, country, society we should not and cannot allow this sort of thing to continue. Hibs can't control wider society but we can control what happens inside our home. We need to take a firm stance about this, as we have with the one individual who threw a flare, as this has a huge impact on us. After last night I can genuinely see me stop going to games v them. I don't enjoy them, I don't want to hear the disgusting filth that spews from the away end, I don't enjoy seeing them disrespect our club, our people, our owner, our heritage ( I am neither Irish or catholic). I also don't enjoy what it does to me. I find myself getting wound up, angry, aggressive, actually unhealthily agitated. We as a club have been groundbreaking ,innovating, leaders in the Scottish game. We should be again and take the lead in the battle against racism and religious bigotry and tell them that after last night we can no longer tolerate them being in our home. Money is the least of our concerns, we are about equality, dignity, inclusion in all walks of life and the rangers support is not compatible with any of that. I would also add that if celtic continue with their "folk songs" I'd do the same with them. This is Scotland in 2023 we need to move on and every revolution starts with the first action. If Hibs start that revolution I will be even prouder of my club than I am now. I hope Kieran Power is paying attention to these posts and is taking this back to the club
Agree some things are more important than money and sends a message to the rest of the football community in this country Zero Tolerance.

[wookie70]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-fans-slam-hibs-over-29418103


Thats the only thing of note that happened last night apparently.. Everything is about them , and nothing else really matters.. They need to have a secondary barrier like we have to go through at Tiny. It appears they are allowed to do what they want at every ground and they are by far the worst support in teh country. The bits of flares falling into the their fans below still red hot showed how moronic they are. I'd also keep them back until home fans are out the stadium. It is about time the club started making regular contact with the police and publicly stating how their fans should be policed. I have no issue if they want to chuck the idiots in our support out with Pyro or the ones throwing stuff onto the pitch or at opposition fans. I want images of their fans with flares all over our social media asking for them to be named. We are complicit at this point and need to fight back. I would happily pay the 20 quid or whatever extra it would be on my season ticket to get the stand empty of The Rangers fans twice a season. Why not do away with teh early bird and use the money for it as a trial next season. That would be some legacy for Ron

[WeeRussell]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-fans-slam-hibs-over-29418103


Thats the only thing of note that happened last night apparently.. Everything is about them , and nothing else really matters..

They can **** off as well. It’s almost as if the record are deliberately taking the piss.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

They need to have a secondary barrier like we have to go through at Tiny. It appears they are allowed to do what they want at every ground and they are by far the worst support in teh country. The bits of flares falling into the their fans below still red hot showed how moronic they are. I'd also keep them back until home fans are out the stadium. It is about time the club started making regular contact with the police and publicly stating how their fans should be policed. I have no issue if they want to chuck the idiots in our support out with Pyro or the ones throwing stuff onto the pitch or at opposition fans. I want images of their fans with flares all over our social media asking for them to be named. We are complicit at this point and need to fight back. I would happily pay the 20 quid or whatever extra it would be on my season ticket to get the stand empty of The Rangers fans twice a season. Why not do away with teh early bird and use the money for it as a trial next season. That would be some legacy for Ron

Imagine the slagging we’d take if we started whining and bitching about pyro and asking for folk to be named. Up there with the Huns post 21/05/16 tbh. Call out their sectarian singing and leave it at that, let’s keep a bit of dignity


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[zitelli62]

I hate boycotts but if that is the only way hibs will listen then so be it,a boycott against that mob then hopefully we will see change, I won't be back against that mob if we give them the whole stand.

[wookie70]

Imagine the slagging we’d take if we started whining and bitching about pyro and asking for folk to be named. Up there with the Huns post 21/05/16 tbh. Call out their sectarian singing and leave it at that, let’s keep a bit of dignity


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Throwing a smoke bomb after SOL last night and the very moving silence at Livi showed what those that like pyro think about dignity. I'd be quite happy to get rid of the village idiots in the home and away fans and name and shame either. I presume the slagging would come from those that spend half the day wondering when their plukes will go away.

[WeeRussell]

Fair play, and yeah i thought you meant our sponsors.

I just think we make a big deal about this for a few days every time we play Rangers, then it all goes quiet until we face them again.

We regularly hear about sectarianism being a blight in Scotland and that nothing has changed for 40+ years. I don't believe that for a second. Scotland, as a whole, has moved on massively since the 70s or 80s.

If you step away from football for a second, or if you're a member of the public with zero interest in the game, where do you see sectarianism?

My point being, is that it's just not a discussion the public are having. It never has been. It's only something that football fans talk about, and the football media will occasionally touch on it. Other than that, nothing. It's never on the news or discussed in Holyrood.

So why is that? Why isn't the country up in arms about it and asking for things to be done? I guess we all have our own thoughts as to why.

Ask a non-football fan what think about sectarianism in Scotland. I'll bet it won't provide much of a discussion at all.

Anyways, this just my take on things and I clearly don't have evidence or surveys or anything to back any of this up. Just chewing the fat.

Yes. Scotland has progressed a long way since then… with the exception of two football clubs. And you’re correct about it all going quiet until the next time, which is what many are highlighting as a problem.

We’ve managed to kick-out any mass racial or homophobic taunting in our football grounds since then too (presumably you wouldn’t want us to let it slide for atmosphere’s sake if that’s what they were bringing to Easter road). You’d like to think that happens naturally as society becomes a better place in that regard.

Why should we just shrug our shoulders and let constant sectarian singing and abuse go, just because it’s only at football.. and by those two teams that have decided to remain stuck in the past?

[pacorosssco]

Yes. Scotland has progressed a long way since then… with the exception of two football clubs. And you’re correct about it all going quiet until the next time, which is what many are highlighting as a problem.

We’ve managed to kick-out any mass racial or homophobic taunting in our football grounds since then too (presumably you wouldn’t want us to let it slide for atmosphere’s sake if that’s what they were bringing to Easter road). You’d like to think that happens naturally as society becomes a better place in that regard.

Why should we just shrug our shoulders and let constant sectarian singing and abuse go, just because it’s only at football.. and by those two teams that have decided to remain stuck in the past?

Correct if you swap Fenian for say black or foreign or gay this is global news. Enough is enough

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Throwing a smoke bomb after SOL last night and the very moving silence at Livi showed what those that like pyro think about dignity. I'd be quite happy to get rid of the village idiots in the home and away fans and name and shame either. I presume the slagging would come from those that spend half the day wondering when their plukes will go away.

I like pyro, are you trying to say that I’m some sort of knuckle dragger with no respect for the dead? The smoke bombs before kick off last week and yesterday were ill timed to say the least, no disputing that. It has a place in football though, whether the travel blanket brigade agree or not isn’t really my problem


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[WeeRussell]

I like pyro, are you trying to say that I’m some sort of knuckle dragger with no respect for the dead? The smoke bombs before kick off last week and yesterday were ill timed to say the least, no disputing that. It has a place in football though, whether the travel blanket brigade agree or not isn’t really my problem


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Could be argued it doesn’t have a place in football as it’s banned.

Pyro that is.. not travel blankets, which I think are just about still allowed.

[pacorosssco]

Could be argued it doesn’t have a place in football as it’s banned.

Pyro that is.. not travel blankets, which I think are just about still allowed.

Yes we have banned our own supporter so ban they away end ones

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Could be argued it doesn’t have a place in football as it’s banned.

Pyro that is.. not travel blankets, which I think are just about still allowed.

Loads of things have been needlessly made illegal and then legalised or decriminalised, alcohol, racial integration (I’m of course not comparing the two before anyone jumps down my throat), kilts, you name it someone’s probably made it illegal at some point. The law doesn’t always equal morality


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[WeeRussell]

Loads of things have been needlessly made illegal and then legalised or decriminalised, alcohol, racial integration (I’m of course not comparing the two before anyone jumps down my throat), kilts, you name it someone’s probably made it illegal at some point. The law doesn’t always equal morality


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Oh I know. 100%

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Oh I know. 100%

If it did equal morality travel blankets, hiking shoes and prawn sandwiches would all be illegal [emoji16]


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[WeeRussell]

If it did equal morality travel blankets, hiking shoes and prawn sandwiches would all be illegal [emoji16]


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I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone eat a prawn sandwich anywhere, never mind at the football!! I still enjoy the reference when it pops up though.

[pacorosssco]

If had Hibs fans has all worn orange and sang *** the king. Morality would be all over the news.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone eat a prawn sandwich anywhere, never mind at the football!! I still enjoy the reference when it pops up though.

Not sure I have either to be fair but you do sometimes get them in supermarket meal deals


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[WeeRussell]

Not sure I have either to be fair but you do sometimes get them in supermarket meal deals


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Exactly where I was picturing them too! Next to the cheaper chicken mayo and tuna ones.

Who’s touching them when you can get chicken and bacon in the same deal though eh.

Anyway I digress….

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Exactly where I was picturing them too! Next to the cheaper chicken mayo and tuna ones.

Who’s touching them when you can get chicken and bacon in the same deal though eh.

Anyway I digress….

The same folk who take travel blankets to ER and are allergic to a bit of noise and colour!


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[SteveHFC]

They can **** off as well. It’s almost as if the record are deliberately taking the piss.

The club should banning the record.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

The club should banning the record.

The record should’ve been banned 7 years ago


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[wookie70]

I like pyro, are you trying to say that I’m some sort of knuckle dragger with no respect for the dead? The smoke bombs before kick off last week and yesterday were ill timed to say the least, no disputing that. It has a place in football though, whether the travel blanket brigade agree or not isn’t really my problem


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I'm still a few years from a travel blanket and will join in with the young team when I know the words to their songs. They have a place in football and while I can't be bothered with lifting a bit of shiny paper above my head they can crack on with the displays. They get it very right sometimes. The banner about up to your knees in embarrassment was perfect and they have generally been very good after Ron's passing with some classy displays. If SOL was their idea they got that spot on too.

As a young fit person with less sense of your own mortality you may like smoke bombs. As an older person with asthma and a kid who has been hit with a pyro, ruining a visit to Tiny and putting her off for a year or two I beg to differ. My breathing is definitely effected when a smoke bomb goes off. It makes viewing the game less enjoyable and the idiots that throw them appear to know very little about football. We score a goal and they throw one stopping our momentum and giving the opposition time to take stock. I'm even more concerned with the Pyros that the The Rangers were using with bits of red hot material falling on their own fans below. Is that type of pyro or the ones fired out of tubes into the distance ok with you too.

I'm fairly liberal in my view of the world. I think that if you are doing something you enjoy that is doing no harm to others then you should be allowed to do that, even if it harms yourself. I tend to agree with you about the laws you talk about. The problem with smoke bombs is there is a danger associated, they do not just effect the thrower and those in the area have no choice about it. That area is also very wide and cannot be predicted particularly at away games. If you want to let one off with a group of your mates in a back garden of a house separate from others it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. It is antisocial and that puts it in the same ball park to singing the sash and other party tunes coming from the away end on Wednesday. Yes, it is different but there is a minority group in the stadium imposing their idea of fun on the rest of us despite it being illegal. The rest of us are tarnished with that and your earlier point about us looking stupid chasing fans for throwing pyro emphasises that point. We would look silly because a tiny part of our support, a part that is very new to supporting the club, are so poorly behaved that we cannot challenge other clubs support for their behaviour. I don't know if that is block 7 or others that sit along side them but I have never agreed with factions within groups that should be as one so I wouldn't really recognise them any more than a group of guys that had watched the game together for half a century.

We will never agree, but pyro have no place at a football ground. Sing loud, sing proud, do the Hibees bounce and lots of other activities that create a much better atmosphere and brings us all together but leave pyro at home.

[WhileTheChief..]

Correct if you swap Fenian for say black or foreign or gay this is global news. Enough is enough

That’s kinda the point I’m trying to make.

The Scottish public would rightly be up in arms if we saw scenes reminiscent of Mark Walters’ debut at Tynecastle. It would be headline news and every paper in the land would lead with the story. It would, as you say, make global news.

What I’m saying / asking is, why doesn’t the same Scottish public feel similarly about sectarianism?

The Old Firm game is watched in dozens of countries. Has there ever been a news report from one of these countries commenting on sectarianism? I doubt it.

Either they’re not aware of the problem (unlikely) or they simply don’t care.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yes. Scotland has progressed a long way since then… with the exception of two football clubs. And you’re correct about it all going quiet until the next time, which is what many are highlighting as a problem.

We’ve managed to kick-out any mass racial or homophobic taunting in our football grounds since then too (presumably you wouldn’t want us to let it slide for atmosphere’s sake if that’s what they were bringing to Easter road). You’d like to think that happens naturally as society becomes a better place in that regard.

Why should we just shrug our shoulders and let constant sectarian singing and abuse go, just because it’s only at football.. and by those two teams that have decided to remain stuck in the past?

But if all you’re doing is moaning on here, it’s akin to shrugging your shoulders and moving on. Again, not having a go, but all we ever say or do about it is have a thread on here for a few days.

Why do you think the biggest home crowds at ER are against the Old Firm and Hearts? I’d suggest it’s because of the rivalry. That doesn’t mean I think we go there because we enjoy the sectarian singing, we’d all love to see an end to it, but it doesn’t appear to put many people off going?

I think it’s just something we like to say. Same as not wanting kids to hear it. That’s just point scoring. No way in Hell a young kid could make out Bobby Sands song being sung, and then asking about it.

Every one of us grew up hearing far worse at ER and we pretty much all know what is acceptable behaviour or not. It didn’t do us any harm in the long run did it?!

[Since452]

We are too nice as a club. Not even a peep from us about Hampden last week or their supporters vile behavior on Wednesday. This whole rising above it thing is wearing a bit thin now. I love my club but sometimes wish we'd grow a backbone and publicly condemn them. They are quick enough to do it to us. Been doing it since 2016.

[Mick O'Rourke]

I'm still a few years from a travel blanket and will join in with the young team when I know the words to their songs. They have a place in football and while I can't be bothered with lifting a bit of shiny paper above my head they can crack on with the displays. They get it very right sometimes. The banner about up to your knees in embarrassment was perfect and they have generally been very good after Ron's passing with some classy displays. If SOL was their idea they got that spot on too.

As a young fit person with less sense of your own mortality you may like smoke bombs. As an older person with asthma and a kid who has been hit with a pyro, ruining a visit to Tiny and putting her off for a year or two I beg to differ. My breathing is definitely effected when a smoke bomb goes off. It makes viewing the game less enjoyable and the idiots that throw them appear to know very little about football. We score a goal and they throw one stopping our momentum and giving the opposition time to take stock. I'm even more concerned with the Pyros that the The Rangers were using with bits of red hot material falling on their own fans below. Is that type of pyro or the ones fired out of tubes into the distance ok with you too.

I'm fairly liberal in my view of the world. I think that if you are doing something you enjoy that is doing no harm to others then you should be allowed to do that, even if it harms yourself. I tend to agree with you about the laws you talk about. The problem with smoke bombs is there is a danger associated, they do not just effect the thrower and those in the area have no choice about it. That area is also very wide and cannot be predicted particularly at away games. If you want to let one off with a group of your mates in a back garden of a house separate from others it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. It is antisocial and that puts it in the same ball park to singing the sash and other party tunes coming from the away end on Wednesday. Yes, it is different but there is a minority group in the stadium imposing their idea of fun on the rest of us despite it being illegal. The rest of us are tarnished with that and your earlier point about us looking stupid chasing fans for throwing pyro emphasises that point. We would look silly because a tiny part of our support, a part that is very new to supporting the club, are so poorly behaved that we cannot challenge other clubs support for their behaviour. I don't know if that is block 7 or others that sit along side them but I have never agreed with factions within groups that should be as one so I wouldn't really recognise them any more than a group of guys that had watched the game together for half a century.

We will never agree, but pyro have no place at a football ground. Sing loud, sing proud, do the Hibees bounce and lots of other activities that create a much better atmosphere and brings us all together but leave pyro at home.

Fully agree with your points.
Particularly regards the breathing issues.
We do have a sizable middle-upper age support who like yourself maybe struggle a bit(youngsters too with asthma,copd and related diseases) with residue from these items.
Who knows ? As that recently we read of supporters requiring medical attention at games.
Are these the cause in some cases ?
In an enclosed stand, its downright selfish,stupid and dangerous to be letting of any smoke/fire related items.
Maybe stop when someone gets seriously hurt, burned,scarred for life .It has elsewhere

Do the young team really get excited watching a flare smoke away while burning the grass and holding the game up? :dunno:

[Torto7]

We are too nice as a club. Not even a peep from us about Hampden last week or their supporters vile behavior on Wednesday. This whole rising above it thing is wearing a bit thin now. I love my club but sometimes wish we'd grow a backbone and publicly condemn them. They are quick enough to do it to us. Been doing it since 2016.


Some 'Hibs' fans were adamant Neil Lennon brings it on himself as he was subjected to 90 mins of sectarian slurs when Hibs manager. Nobody will do anything.

It would be a better idea to give the entire stadium to the bigots and charge them 200 quid per ticket, call it a sash bash for all I care. Use that extra cash to keep season tickets at a reasonable rate and donate some of it to anti sectarianism charities. There's little incentive in watching your team get horsed by financial cheats these days whilst being subjected to their odious views.

[marinello59]

Some 'Hibs' fans were adamant Neil Lennon brings it on himself as he was subjected to 90 mins of sectarian slurs when Hibs manager. Nobody will do anything.

It would be a better idea to give the entire stadium to the bigots and charge them 200 quid per ticket, call it a sash bash for all I care. Use that extra cash to keep season tickets at a reasonable rate and donate some of it to anti sectarianism charities. There's little incentive in watching your team get horsed by financial cheats these days whilst being subjected to their odious views.

I don’t recall a single Hibs fan saying Lennon brought sectarian abuse on himself.

[JohnM1875]

I don’t recall a single Hibs fan saying Lennon brought sectarian abuse on himself.

I actually know a few who said the exact thing. Bizarre stuff.

[Donegal Hibby]

We are too nice as a club. Not even a peep from us about Hampden last week or their supporters vile behavior on Wednesday. This whole rising above it thing is wearing a bit thin now. I love my club but sometimes wish we'd grow a backbone and publicly condemn them. They are quick enough to do it to us. Been doing it since 2016.
Time the club the made a stance and came out with a statement . What there supporters done twice in the two tributes to Ron Gordon was absolutely disgusting and was the lowest of the low . Our club can't keep turning a blind eye to there disgraceful behaviour. BAN THEM NOW.

[gbhibby]

That’s kinda the point I’m trying to make.

The Scottish public would rightly be up in arms if we saw scenes reminiscent of Mark Walters’ debut at Tynecastle. It would be headline news and every paper in the land would lead with the story. It would, as you say, make global news.

What I’m saying / asking is, why doesn’t the same Scottish public feel similarly about sectarianism?

The Old Firm game is watched in dozens of countries. Has there ever been a news report from one of these countries commenting on sectarianism? I doubt it.

Either they’re not aware of the problem (unlikely) or they simply don’t care.
They only talk about the special🤔 atmosphere

[Greenbeard]

Could be argued it doesn’t have a place in football as it’s banned.

Pyro that is.. not travel blankets, which I think are just about still allowed.
I once managed to sneak one in under my coat, but never again. Was a bit jittery walking past the stewards but got to my seat safely and kept it out of sight until an appropriate moment. As soon as the game kicked off my pal kept nudging me saying "c'mon, get it out now". But I was keeping a close eye on the stewards before picking my time to pull it out. Turns out it wasn't the stewards I had to worry about. As soon as I pulled it from beneath my jacket and spread it across my and my pal's knees we got a torrent of abuse from everyone around us for being a couple of auld nancy boys.

[gbhibby]

I am disappointed that our club have made no comment about it.
As usual they get away with it. Club need to grow a pair and call out that horrible club.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I am disappointed that our club have made no comment about it.
As usual they get away with it. Club need to grow a pair and call out that horrible club.

Correct. I’m actually disgusted with Hibs and it’s not often I say that.

[PHeffernan]

I am disappointed that our club have made no comment about it.
As usual they get away with it. Club need to grow a pair and call out that horrible club.

Hibs have NEVER commented about it in the last 40 years and it is nothing to do with growing a pair.

Hibs refuse to acknowledge it's existence for fear of having to turn away the blue pound.
It's a clever tactic and is worth £200k a season so don't expect a statement until hell freezes over.
The best bit is the club know our supporters will blow hard about it online for a couple of days and then forget about it until the next time ... like we always have.

[WestStandMoaner]

We are too nice as a club. Not even a peep from us about Hampden last week or their supporters vile behavior on Wednesday. This whole rising above it thing is wearing a bit thin now. I love my club but sometimes wish we'd grow a backbone and publicly condemn them. They are quick enough to do it to us. Been doing it since 2016.

You are spot on far to nice if it was the other way round they would be all over us. Ban them for two seasons take the hit and send a message to the Scottish Government and the SFA if they are not going to take actions then the clubs will.

[Carheenlea]

I once managed to sneak one in under my coat, but never again. Was a bit jittery walking past the stewards but got to my seat safely and kept it out of sight until an appropriate moment. As soon as the game kicked off my pal kept nudging me saying "c'mon, get it out now". But I was keeping a close eye on the stewards before picking my time to pull it out. Turns out it wasn't the stewards I had to worry about. As soon as I pulled it from beneath my jacket and spread it across my and my pal's knees we got a torrent of abuse from everyone around us for being a couple of auld nancy boys.

:rotflmao:

[matty_f]

I once managed to sneak one in under my coat, but never again. Was a bit jittery walking past the stewards but got to my seat safely and kept it out of sight until an appropriate moment. As soon as the game kicked off my pal kept nudging me saying "c'mon, get it out now". But I was keeping a close eye on the stewards before picking my time to pull it out. Turns out it wasn't the stewards I had to worry about. As soon as I pulled it from beneath my jacket and spread it across my and my pal's knees we got a torrent of abuse from everyone around us for being a couple of auld nancy boys.

It took me two reads of this to realise it was a blanket and not a smoke bomb you were talking about. Should really read things properly the first time! 😂

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I once managed to sneak one in under my coat, but never again. Was a bit jittery walking past the stewards but got to my seat safely and kept it out of sight until an appropriate moment. As soon as the game kicked off my pal kept nudging me saying "c'mon, get it out now". But I was keeping a close eye on the stewards before picking my time to pull it out. Turns out it wasn't the stewards I had to worry about. As soon as I pulled it from beneath my jacket and spread it across my and my pal's knees we got a torrent of abuse from everyone around us for being a couple of auld nancy boys.

Good post, 10/10


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[Mick O'Rourke]

I once managed to sneak one in under my coat, but never again. Was a bit jittery walking past the stewards but got to my seat safely and kept it out of sight until an appropriate moment. As soon as the game kicked off my pal kept nudging me saying "c'mon, get it out now". But I was keeping a close eye on the stewards before picking my time to pull it out. Turns out it wasn't the stewards I had to worry about. As soon as I pulled it from beneath my jacket and spread it across my and my pal's knees we got a torrent of abuse from everyone around us for being a couple of auld nancy boys.

Great stuff.
I had a image of Jack and Victor of Still Game fame while reading that :greengrin

Jack!!, will ye keep yer haunds oan tope o the blanket ! :embarrass

[04Sauzee]

Celtic and The Rangers won't have any away fans for the last 2 Glasgow derbies of the season.

[JammyDoidger]

Celtic and The Rangers won't have any away fans for the last 2 Glasgow derbies of the season.

They 2 are a disgrace, need to find a way to get them out of our game asap.

[B.H.F.C]

Celtic and The Rangers won't have any away fans for the last 2 Glasgow derbies of the season.

The pair of them are just weird. Nobody else in world football quite like them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Celtic and The Rangers won't have any away fans for the last 2 Glasgow derbies of the season.

Why?

[Billy Whizz]

Celtic and The Rangers won't have any away fans for the last 2 Glasgow derbies of the season.

I’m surprised this is allowed

[plhibs]

So this means that any team can ban fans of any team from their stadium if they want to ?

[GreenCastle]

So this means that any team can ban fans of any team from their stadium if they want to ?

Hopefully Hibs ban the Huns - I would bet more Hibs fans would then attend.

Currently plenty Hibs fans don’t attend games at home against them and I can fully see why.

[Carheenlea]

So this means that any team can ban fans of any team from their stadium if they want to ?

No, the Old Firm are not held to the same rules as the rest.

[Since452]

I’m surprised this is allowed

It's not. But then when do those two need to stick to rules?

[Mick O'Rourke]

I’m surprised this is allowed

Both Celtic and newco have agreed to this "no away fan ban" for the time being,citing stadium issues need resolving.
So i guess the SPFl have been informed...
as if that would make a difference to newco "we do what we want"FC anyway!
I think they want this to be a permanent outcome for league games.
(not SC or LC if drawn to play each other)
Dont supposed Police Scotland would object !
And kick off times might change,too.

Article on link

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/23394158.old-firm-fan-ban-rangers-celtic-make-away-support-call/
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[plhibs]

No, the Old Firm are not held to the same rules as the rest.

Yea i know, my comment was a bit tongue in cheek but i would love us to try it and hear all the screaming coming from them.

[Carheenlea]

Both Celtic and newco have agreed to this "no away fan ban" for the time being,citing stadium issues need resolving.
So i guess the SPFl have been informed...
as if that would make a difference to newco "we do what we want"FC anyway!
I think they want this to be a permanent outcome for league games.
(not SC or LC if drawn to play each other)
Dont supposed Police Scotland would object !
And kick off times might change,too.

Article on link

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/23394158.old-firm-fan-ban-rangers-celtic-make-away-support-call/
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The Old Firm derby has been ruined from the spectacle and occasion that created a lot of the outside interest in the fixture. While that spectacle was mainly sectarianism and bigotry, it was the atmosphere created by large visiting supports which would make for raucous stadiums and incendiary games.

For for a spectacle, the Edinburgh derby is probably the premier Scottish derby at present. With huge home advantages now, the Old Firm derby will end up becoming predictable and uninteresting. They might regret in the long term such moves to remove visiting supports from their brand.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

The Old Firm derby has been ruined from the spectacle and occasion that created a lot of the outside interest in the fixture. While that spectacle was mainly sectarianism and bigotry, it was the atmosphere created by large visiting supports which would make for raucous stadiums and incendiary games.

For for a spectacle, the Edinburgh derby is probably the premier Scottish derby at present. With huge home advantages now, the Old Firm derby will end up becoming predictable and uninteresting. They might regret in the long term such moves to remove visiting supports from their brand.

Totally agree. No one in the 21st century is going to pay £500 odds for a resale ticket to the OF because of the standard of the football. It’s one of those bucket list things like the Superclasico, El Clasico and Eternal Derby, without away fans it’s just another Scottish football game.


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[Vini1875]

The only way we can afford to ban them is to have a team on the park that we could be confident would beat them. It's the only way we can fill the stadium. That means large amounts of money spent on the team. The status quo is not going to fill our stadium.

[JimBHibees]

The Old Firm derby has been ruined from the spectacle and occasion that created a lot of the outside interest in the fixture. While that spectacle was mainly sectarianism and bigotry, it was the atmosphere created by large visiting supports which would make for raucous stadiums and incendiary games.

For for a spectacle, the Edinburgh derby is probably the premier Scottish derby at present. With huge home advantages now, the Old Firm derby will end up becoming predictable and uninteresting. They might regret in the long term such moves to remove visiting supports from their brand.

Is that the same Edinburgh Derby that tv refuses to show? :greengrin

[MKHIBEE]

The only way we can afford to ban them is to have a team on the park that we could be confident would beat them. It's the only way we can fill the stadium. That means large amounts of money spent on the team. The status quo is not going to fill our stadium.

A bit harsh, the 70s Quo would have done

[zitelli62]

I'm glad hibs and hearts don't go down this route as we seen during covid football without fans is nothing and without away fans at a derby kills the atmosphere.

[WeeRussell]

A bit harsh, the 70s Quo would have done

😁

As would the 70s hibs.

[Since452]

Well there you go Hibs. The Glasgow gimps have shown you can ban away fans. The only reason for not doing so now would only be financial.

[Helensburghhibs]

Good to see sky news using a video of them "protesting" on their twitter when in full voice singing Billy boys. I have sent sky a message suggesting it's inappropriate but I guess it will receive the same level of attention as they pay to the bigotry

[O'Rourke3]

Good to see sky news using a video of them "protesting" on their twitter when in full voice singing Billy boys. I have sent sky a message suggesting it's inappropriate but I guess it will receive the same level of attention as they pay to the bigotryI'm assuming it's Rangers fans protesting How vocal were they when their club cut Celtic's allocation first?

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[flash]

Well there you go Hibs. The Glasgow gimps have shown you can ban away fans. The only reason for not doing so now would only be financial.

Football is sterile without two sets of supporters.

There's another reason.

[Libby Hibby]

Cut their allocation to one or 2 sections in the lower South stand.

Introduce QR codes that move for ticket entry so it really is 1 in with 1 ticket.

I don’t advocate any different treatment to what we receive when we go to Tiny and Ibrox but ensure it’s similar.

Let’s not make ER a party zone for away fans.

[Broken Gnome]

I'm not seeing how we can go from finding Rangers fans so distasteful that it prevents a good few even buying a ticket at present, yet a cut allocation would suddenly mean 1,500 Hibs fans are happy to share a stand with them.

Fewer tickets for away teams means empty seats - it would take an almost freakishly good Hibs team to routinely attract 18,000 paying over 30 quid for a ticket.

By far the worst things about these games are losing, let's be honest. They are ****, but unbearable **** when it becomes a procession like last week.

[PHeffernan]

No away fans at OF derby league games is a good idea.
Much reduced hate inside and around the stadium.
Much reduced need for a Police presence at the game.
Makes perfect sense so it won't be permanent.

[Nutmegged]

I'm not seeing how we can go from finding Rangers fans so distasteful that it prevents a good few even buying a ticket at present, yet a cut allocation would suddenly mean 1,500 Hibs fans are happy to share a stand with them.

Fewer tickets for away teams means empty seats - it would take an almost freakishly good Hibs team to routinely attract 18,000 paying over 30 quid for a ticket.

By far the worst things about these games are losing, let's be honest. They are ****, but unbearable **** when it becomes a procession like last week.

There in lies the problem, with a population of over 550 thousand, there's absolutely no reason why Hibs (and hearts) shouldn't be able to attract 30k fans on a regular basis, I know thousands leave Edinburgh to go and support Celtic & The Rangers each week but both clubs seem to have settled in the comfort that all we'll ever attract is 19/20k outwith days at Hampden.

Note: I realise 30k is an unassailable figure at the moment due to capacity but if we had 30k desperate to come see Hibs for whatever reason then we'd have absolutely no problem packing out 20k every second week, with or without sizeable away supports.

Pipe dream? Maybe but unlike a lot of other clubs we actually have potential to do it, it's whether we as a fanbase can realise this potential.

[Broken Gnome]

There in lies the problem, with a population of over 550 thousand, there's absolutely no reason why Hibs (and hearts) shouldn't be able to attract 30k fans on a regular basis, I know thousands leave Edinburgh to go and support Celtic & The Rangers each week but both clubs seem to have settled in the comfort that all we'll ever attract is 19/20k outwith days at Hampden.

Note: I realise 30k is an unassailable figure at the moment due to capacity but if we had 30k desperate to come see Hibs for whatever reason then we'd have absolutely no problem packing out 20k every second week, with or without sizeable away supports.

Pipe dream? Maybe but unlike a lot of other clubs we actually have potential to do it, it's whether we as a fanbase can realise this potential.

There's a very limited potential to do that if you essentially cannot win the league.

Plenty clubs down south manage it obviously, but there's the money to attract significantly better players to watch (in theory) and relative success - Brentford, Brighton now, Leicester as an extreme case in recent years - means they don't really need to be challenging for a league title most weeks to get 25/30k.

Only scenarios I could see us having a reliable pool anywhere in the region of 30k to watch Hibs is a team capable of picking up 65-odd points a season and a regular battle with Hearts for 3rd, or somehow getting into the top two.

[Nutmegged]

There's a very limited potential to do that if you essentially cannot win the league.

Plenty clubs down south manage it obviously, but there's the money to attract significantly better players to watch (in theory) and relative success - Brentford, Brighton now, Leicester as an extreme case in recent years - means they don't really need to be challenging for a league title most weeks to get 25/30k.

Only scenarios I could see us having a reliable pool anywhere in the region of 30k to watch Hibs is a team capable of picking up 65-odd points a season and a regular battle with Hearts for 3rd, or somehow getting into the top two.

65 points a season shouldn't be an unrealistic target, we've only hit the 60 point figure four times in the 12 team 38 game era but we've vastly under performed many many times, 65 points has to be the aim, 60 points minimum, if that means we need to be more ambitious as a club then so be it and the owners have to match that ambition.

[Broken Gnome]

65 points a season shouldn't be an unrealistic target, we've only hit the 60 point figure four times in the 12 team 38 game era but we've vastly under performed many many times, 65 points has to be the aim, 60 points minimum, if that means we need to be more ambitious as a club then so be it and the owners have to match that ambition.

Aye, totally agree, but how often does it happen in consecutive seasons? Or even look likely to?

Our level of support is more than decent, and the full houses we do get when there's an extra circumstance on top - Ron's death, the St Johnstone Friday night game that became a must-attend - shows how quickly we can get 16k to jump on board.

It's almost inevitable after a good spell though that any blip isn't going to be a temporary one. That weekly 16k understandably dwindles when a season around the top four is pretty predictably followed by loss of form, sacked manager and top six battle at best. Happened too many times.

If we DID look capable of 60-plus points for longer than one one or two seasons, that would be a very welcome starting point.

[PHeffernan]

I'm not seeing how we can go from finding Rangers fans so distasteful that it prevents a good few even buying a ticket at present, yet a cut allocation would suddenly mean 1,500 Hibs fans are happy to share a stand with them.

Fewer tickets for away teams means empty seats - it would take an almost freakishly good Hibs team to routinely attract 18,000 paying over 30 quid for a ticket.

By far the worst things about these games are losing, let's be honest. They are ****, but unbearable **** when it becomes a procession like last week.

I agree with what you say about sharing the south stand and as things stand there is no financial reason to change things.
The saying goodbye to Ron, Rangers, game attracted 15,400 Hibs supporters so almost 1000 Hibs end seats were unsold despite the occasion.
I struggle to see us having a demand for more than 16,400 Hibs supporters for any game outside Hampden.
Even home derby tickets are easy to come by.

We have dropped from a high of 13,300 season ticket sales a few years ago to a hardcore 11,300.
We need to increase our own support numbers before we can think about reducing Rantic fan numbers in our stadium.
Selling 12,000 season tickets would be a start but I fear we will struggle to maintain even this years numbers.
Something radical like making the FFL the area for young radges to do their thing might attract lots of new young people along but other than that and more females attending I struggle to see us filling our 3 sides of the stadium never mind taking over part of the 4th.