Singing Section FF Lower

[Since452]

Absolutely tremendous tonight. Surely needs to be there for the men's games going forward.

[SteveHFC]

Agreed.

[DH1875]

Looks the business on the telly 👍

[Pretty Boy]

So much better.

Even if it's just a couple of sections it has to be the plan going forward.

[Onceinawhile]

So much better.

Even if it's just a couple of sections it has to be the plan going forward.

What do you do with the other sections though, if you can't fill it?

[SChibs]

What do you do with the other sections though, if you can't fill it?

We can barely fill it as it is. Just let it grow over time into a whole lower singing section

[Greencore]

Needs to be the way forward

[FastEddieFelson]

What's stopping us from actually doing it?

And what are the chances of a safe standing area?

[Stokesy's on fire]

Epic placed perfectly looked and sounded brilliant

[Hibbyradge]

Frankly, I'd ban the singing section and the supposed "ultras" altogether.

Far too rowdy.

[DIXIHIBS]

If hibs had opened up sections 19 and 20 earlier in the week im sure a lot more young team would have been there. A lot of older fans..me...who would have went to the east ended up behind the goals. Definitely the way forward but must be at least 3 or 4 sections available.

[Hibs3-2]

Has definitely been a successful trial over the 3 U19 matches. Hopefully the club look to get them there for the start of next season

[PatHead]

I was near the half way line and couldn't really hear the singing section. Would work better over a larger area and here's hoping.

[GreenCastle]

Been saying for years they should be moved.

Adds colour and noise to the stadium.

East will always take care of itself with sound.

North lower would be right in middle of ground and also give our players added boost shooting towards the FF.

Hibs will be mad not to make it happen next season.

[superfurryhibby]

Got to be there, it worked very well tonight. Well done to the young team.

[Onceinawhile]

We can barely fill it as it is. Just let it grow over time into a whole lower singing section

But if you put it in the middle, the people on the 2 sides can't see.

[BILLYHIBS]

The guy beside us in the East with the drum obviously never got the email :greengrin

[basehibby]

Definitely makes sense - FF is often half empty and it's a poor look.

Would give the atmosphere and the team a real boost to have that section singing & bouncing

[Rick Rude]

I'd make the whole lower FF standing. Doesn't all have to be a singing section. Allocate some for the singers and the rest can be for people who just prefer to stand behind the goals.

[Carheenlea]

It does look good. How you go about the logistics of asking long time ST holders to relocate in a satisfactory for all manner is a difficult one.

https://i.postimg.cc/wvYrRVfH/3-BFADBD0-25-E7-4910-9-B42-87-FFEFDEEE6-E.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7CX9pgrQ)

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

It does look good. How you go about the logistics of asking long time ST holders to relocate in a satisfactory for all manner is a difficult one.

https://i.postimg.cc/wvYrRVfH/3-BFADBD0-25-E7-4910-9-B42-87-FFEFDEEE6-E.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7CX9pgrQ)

I’d say a decent number of ST holders in FF lower don’t turn up for a lot of games, based off how empty it looks all the time. There’ll be plenty of seats available in east and west or FF upper, folk can moan if they want but realistically this should’ve happened years ago


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[Glory Lurker]

I wasn't at the game but looking at that photo I'd say it was a failure. Super cheap tickets but only filled what, two sections?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I wasn't at the game but looking at that photo I'd say it was a failure. Super cheap tickets but only filled what, two sections?

Aye for an u19s game, midweek?


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[AugustaHibs]

I wasn't at the game but looking at that photo I'd say it was a failure. Super cheap tickets but only filled what, two sections?

You kidding on?

An u19s game with a 7pm kick off on Tuesday. How did it fail..

[Glory Lurker]

Despite super cheap tickets?

[EGL2000]

But if you put it in the middle, the people on the 2 sides can't see.

If the whole lower is safe standing like some have proposed then this wouldn't be an issue. A good number of fans still prefer to stand at games so wouldn't see it being any less full than current levels.

[Unseen work]

Thought it looked and sounded brilliant and looks like a main vocal point in the ground.

Shooting towards that in the second half would make a huge difference and really spur the team on.

They can almost get a bit lost over in the current corner they’re in (nothing against them) but it’s sort of like a let’s just Chuck them here or the way

[Hibee Mac]

I'm kind of annoyed it hasn't happened already, majority of us know it's for the best and have been asking for it for years. Get it done already

[Greencore]

I support it. Should the kids area be in the west?

[et_hibby]

Good to hear- sounds like worth moving to next stage.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The atmosphere at that game with a 7,700 crowd was better, far better, than a lot of our league games with crowds nearly twice as big and it was down to those young fans behind the goals.

Absolutely well done the young lads and lassies tonight, you absolutely proved that the FF lower is exactly where you should be, where you should always have been, filling it with noise and colour. Yes it was one section, but if Hibs make that whole deck a standing area kids and young fans elsewhere in the stadium will watch it and want to be part of it, it will grow of that I have absolutely no doubt.

Will it be 2000 capacity for every game? that might take some time, but I sure as hell would prefer to see 1000 fans standing in that area singing chanting and waving flags than 1000 just sitting there making the empty spaces look so bloody obvious. That area is almost sold out with STs most seasons, but so often too many of them fail to turn up ...... the myriad of reasons for that have been stated repeatedly, but if that's to happen either spread family tickets throughout the stadium or move that section so their absence isn't so bloody obvious.

Making the FF lower a standing are is an idea whose time has come and if I was Hibs owner I would be investigating how much it would cost to install rail seats when I got up on Wednesday morning.

[Pretty Boy]

The atmosphere at that game with a 7,700 crowd was better, far better, than a lot of our league games with crowds nearly twice as big and it was down to those young fans behind the goals.

Absolutely well done the young lads and lassies tonight, you absolutely proved that the FF lower is exactly where you should be, where you should always have been, filling it with noise and colour. Yes it was one section, but if Hibs make that whole deck a standing area kids and young fans elsewhere in the stadium will watch it and want to be part of it, it will grow of that I have absolutely no doubt.

Will it be 2000 capacity for every game? that might take some time, but I sure as hell would prefer to see 1000 fans standing in that area singing chanting and waving flags than 1000 just sitting there making the empty spaces look so bloody obvious. That area is almost sold out with STs most seasons, but so often too many of them fail to turn up ...... the myriad of reasons for that have been stated repeatedly, but if that's to happen either spread family tickets throughout the stadium or move that section so their absence isn't so bloody obvious.

Making the FF lower a standing are is an idea whose time has come and if I was Hibs owner I would be investigating how much it would cost to install rail seats when I got up on Wednesday morning.

I don't think it really matters if it sells out to capacity. Whether it's seating or standing if you make the whole area unallocated as Aberdeen have done with their 'Red Shed' then people will naturally find their spot. For the most vocal fans that will be right behind the goals so you will still have that wall of support right there. If the end sections are a bit sparse then I don't think it matters, the whole tier is a bit sparse almost every week currently.

With the exception of Hearts games, and a to a lesser extent Celtic and Rangers, there are plenty seats to go round at Easter Road. Generally speaking when it comes to run of the mill games at 3pm on a Saturday football is very sanitised now, certainly compared to when I first started going in the early 90s, so I'm not sure a dedicated family section is required anymore. The uptake in the area is low and whilst it might be a bit of a pest to those who have sat there for years, the time has come to change things around a bit. I've been there, I got moved out my long term seat to accommodate a singing section a few years back. I was a bit upset at the way it was done rather than with the act itself but I have a new seat now and it's fine. People will adapt and you have to blank out the 'I've been going for 143 years but won't be back if I have to move'. By all means listen to legitimate feedback but a lot of the 'I won't renew' stuff is noise from a handful of people. The majority will adapt and get on with it.

[JimBHibees]

You kidding on?

An u19s game with a 7pm kick off on Tuesday. How did it fail..

Also live on tv

[Since452]

It does look good. How you go about the logistics of asking long time ST holders to relocate in a satisfactory for all manner is a difficult one.

https://i.postimg.cc/wvYrRVfH/3-BFADBD0-25-E7-4910-9-B42-87-FFEFDEEE6-E.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7CX9pgrQ)

I don't think it's too difficult. They don't own the seats. It's not like they would be asked to move half way through a season. The club could easily say from next season these sections are reserved for the singing section so if you don't want to be part of it choose another seat.

[CapitalGreen]

It does look good. How you go about the logistics of asking long time ST holders to relocate in a satisfactory for all manner is a difficult one.

https://i.postimg.cc/wvYrRVfH/3-BFADBD0-25-E7-4910-9-B42-87-FFEFDEEE6-E.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7CX9pgrQ)

Probably the same way season ticket holders were relocated in the old main stand, shed and terracing when each of those were changed. The concept of season ticket holders being relocated isn’t new. Season tickets entitle fans to a seat for the duration of a season, they aren’t seats for life.

[DIXIHIBS]

I don't think it's too difficult. They don't own the seats. It's not like they would be asked to move half way through a season. The club could easily say from next season these sections are reserved for the singing section so if you don't want to be part of it choose another seat.

Exactly. Make the whole FF lower unallocated seating. Sell STs unallocated and similarly any walk ups. Fans will find a regular area within the the FF beside their mates. Anyone with kids getting moved out of the area will easily find a seat elsewhere and outside hertz/old firm games most areas are fine for younger kids as its so sanitised now anyway. Go on Hibs...try it.

[Pretty Boy]

Probably the same way season ticket holders were relocated in the old main stand, shed and terracing when each of those were changed. The concept of season ticket holders being relocated isn’t new. Season tickets entitle fans to a seat for the duration of a season, they aren’t seats for life.

I think it has to be communicated fairly sensitively and a priority period given for those already there to get the pick of the currently available seats before it open to general ST sale.

When I was in Section 25 I got a letter saying as of next season get out your seat as the singing section are moving there. That was it. It turned out there had been a whole consultation but no one thought the 50 or so of us who had STs in that section were worth consulting. I know that incarnation of the singing section were pretty embarrassed about how it all played out as well. It was then a bit of a scramble trying to find 4 seats together elsewhere in the stand and there was no plan in place to ensure that happened and family groups weren't split up. I think Hibs retrospectively realised they had made a bit of a mess of it and Leeann Demspter herself ended up taking a few people into the ground to help them find alternative seats.

I'm fully in favour of the move but it has to be handled smartly. 'You don't own your seat so **** off' isn't going to cut it from a PR perspective.

[Since90+2]

It should have happened years ago. Totally short sighted by some associated with the club and has undoubtedly contributed to the dire atmosphere at most games.

100% needs to happen for next season.

[Victor]

As a fully paid up member of the ‘old fuddy’ brigade, I think it looked and sounded great. I can imagine that there may be some resistance, but attempts should be made to make it a permanent fixture.

[Since452]

Aberdeen's "red shed" behind the goals always looks brilliant. Always been a bit envious of it. As a youngster seeing that you'll think to yourself "i fancy a bit of that". That's how you get hooked going to the football.

Imagine block seven behind the goals against Hearts or the old firm. Would be outstanding.

[Shrekko]

Attendance levels in the FF are ridiculously poor so I'd be amazed if any resistance was that strong. I've sat in there myself and it's not exactly prime seating. Surely there's plenty of room for families etc in the West?

Block 7 are single handedly doing what's been needing done for years and creating a bit of noise and colour at Hibs games. It should totally be encouraged as a priority and be allowed to grow. Teams like Aberdeen, Motherwell and St Johnstone seem to have proportionally bigger Ultra's sections than us which is a joke - give them whatever space they want and get our own numbers up.

[hibsforeurope]

Looks and sounds brilliant.

Not sure just a few sections would work, why not just make the whole bottom section the singing section, if it continues like last night numbers will grow organically.

We have plenty free areas to locate the family section, although i'm not convinced we need a dedicated family section at all. we have the South stand for Hibs Kids games but other than this family tickets should be available in all sections, with availability.

[Jones28]

It does look good. How you go about the logistics of asking long time ST holders to relocate in a satisfactory for all manner is a difficult one.

https://i.postimg.cc/wvYrRVfH/3-BFADBD0-25-E7-4910-9-B42-87-FFEFDEEE6-E.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7CX9pgrQ)

Give them first dibs of seats around the stadium after renewals are done before they're released for general sale.

[Onceinawhile]

If the whole lower is safe standing like some have proposed then this wouldn't be an issue. A good number of fans still prefer to stand at games so wouldn't see it being any less full than current levels.

I think most people who prefer to stand prefer the view from the east though.

There's no point spending substantial money and moving season ticket holders, to make it just as busy as it already is.

[Onceinawhile]

Exactly. Make the whole FF lower unallocated seating. Sell STs unallocated and similarly any walk ups. Fans will find a regular area within the the FF beside their mates. Anyone with kids getting moved out of the area will easily find a seat elsewhere and outside hertz/old firm games most areas are fine for younger kids as its so sanitised now anyway. Go on Hibs...try it.

I've got 4 season ticket seats in the ffl. I don't think I'll find 4 good, dry seats, with a decent view anywhere else.

Certainly not easily.

[CapitalGreen]

I've got 4 season ticket seats in the ffl. I don't think I'll find 4 good, dry seats, with a decent view anywhere else.

Certainly not easily.

There is lots of availability in the FF upper

[hibsforeurope]

I've got 4 season ticket seats in the ffl. I don't think I'll find 4 good, dry seats, with a decent view anywhere else.

Certainly not easily.

I think you'd be surprised with the seats on offer. The singing section isn't going to be filled with new non-season ticket holders, people will be moving from elsewhere in the ground, not necessarily just the far end of the East either.

As mentioned the club need to handle the move sensitively and help reallocation before general sales start to give the most choice.

given the importance of matchday experience to the club and this continued, expanded trial, i think it's almost certain this will happen for next season.

[Brightside]

I wasn't at the game but looking at that photo I'd say it was a failure. Super cheap tickets but only filled what, two sections?

That's got to be a joke.

[Brightside]

I support it. Should the kids area be in the west?

In the far corner of the west perhaps....if we really need one. I never had my kids in a "kids" area at any point as they grew up.

[superfurryhibby]

There is lots of availability in the FF upper

Maybe people being asked to move can have the executive seats on the upper tier of the FF, a lot warmer on the erchie on a cold night.

[Ringothedog]

Despite super cheap tickets?

They were only given one section to sell. The other sections in the FF were opened because the East was almost sold out

[GreenCastle]

I've got 4 season ticket seats in the ffl. I don't think I'll find 4 good, dry seats, with a decent view anywhere else.

Certainly not easily.

Think you will be surprised. Just at seating map for Kilmarnock and you could get 4 together in other parts of the ground.

How long have you been in the family section for ? Just wondering what the average length of stay is in the section?

I used to be in it but then have since moved and prefer the view from the side of the pitch.

[DIXIHIBS]

Despite super cheap tickets?

You're trying too hard...give it up.

[j'adorehibs]

I think you'd be surprised with the seats on offer. The singing section isn't going to be filled with new non-season ticket holders, people will be moving from elsewhere in the ground, not necessarily just the far end of the East either.

As mentioned the club need to handle the move sensitively and help reallocation before general sales start to give the most choice.

given the importance of matchday experience to the club and this continued, expanded trial, i think it's almost certain this will happen for next season.

Re The singing section isn't going to be filled with new non-season ticket holders, people will be moving from elsewhere in the ground, not necessarily just the far end of the East either.

How do you know this? How do we know that we will get a host of people witrh season tickets in east/west wanting to move to the ffl for a singing section - fair enough when its a £5 entry for the u19's but will they stump up £350 for a season or £25 or more walk up every game? i feel a poll coming on - who will move from their current season ticket seat to the ffl if a singing/standing section was in place.

[hibsforeurope]

Re The singing section isn't going to be filled with new non-season ticket holders, people will be moving from elsewhere in the ground, not necessarily just the far end of the East either.

How do you know this? How do we know that we will get a host of people witrh season tickets in east/west wanting to move to the ffl for a singing section - fair enough when its a £5 entry for the u19's but will they stump up £350 for a season or £25 or more walk up every game? i feel a poll coming on - who will move from their current season ticket seat to the ffl if a singing/standing section was in place.

i've not obviously carried out an opinion poll but i'd guess, with the continued trial, there must be sufficient support for this move.

[CapitalGreen]

Re The singing section isn't going to be filled with new non-season ticket holders, people will be moving from elsewhere in the ground, not necessarily just the far end of the East either.

How do you know this? How do we know that we will get a host of people witrh season tickets in east/west wanting to move to the ffl for a singing section - fair enough when its a £5 entry for the u19's but will they stump up £350 for a season or £25 or more walk up every game? i feel a poll coming on - who will move from their current season ticket seat to the ffl if a singing/standing section was in place.

A poll on hibs.net wouldn’t be representative of the support as a whole and it certainly wouldn’t be representative of your typical singing section attendee.

[j'adorehibs]

A poll on hibs.net wouldn’t be representative of the support as a whole and it certainly wouldn’t be representative of your typical singing section attendee.

exactly so its all conjecture

my point is it fills up at a £5 a ticket but when you come to season tickets and £25 plus walk ups i m not so sure - these u19 games arent comparative

[DIXIHIBS]

exactly so its all conjecture

my point is it fills up at a £5 a ticket but when you come to season tickets and £25 plus walk ups i m not so sure - these u19 games arent comparative

A lot of these lads are probably already ST holders but are currently spread around the ground. This gives them the opportunity to be together and allows walk ups to join them on a weekly basis.

[Since452]

Aberdeen's Red Shed has 2000 unallocated seats. That would be the whole FF lower or near enough. Its £20 quid for an adult and £12 for an under 18 ticket. Superb pricing.

[tonyrougier123]

Absolutely superb last night!
This would take off like a rocket if we do the right thing and make it permanent.
Reminded me of the far end of the old east stand,noise filtered through the sections back then and the lower would be the place to be but I also think it would generate through that whole stand on match day.

[Onceinawhile]

Think you will be surprised. Just at seating map for Kilmarnock and you could get 4 together in other parts of the ground.

How long have you been in the family section for ? Just wondering what the average length of stay is in the section?

I used to be in it but then have since moved and prefer the view from the side of the pitch.

Since 2015 (roughly) started with 2 season tickets, then 3, now 4.

I know people in it however, who have been there since it was built.

I prefer the view from the side of the pitch as well, but 3 children's season tickets are more expensive there, so difficult to justify.

I'm not against moving the singing section to the FFL, but I don't think it'll be anywhere near as easy, or good as a number of people seem to think.

[DH1875]

Do you not need to have a child's season ticket attached to your adult season ticket to get a season ticket in there?

[DIXIHIBS]

Do you not need to have a child's season ticket attached to your adult season ticket to get a season ticket in there?

Not if hibs change it from family section to "singing section" i presume.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I don't think it really matters if it sells out to capacity. Whether it's seating or standing if you make the whole area unallocated as Aberdeen have done with their 'Red Shed' then people will naturally find their spot. For the most vocal fans that will be right behind the goals so you will still have that wall of support right there. If the end sections are a bit sparse then I don't think it matters, the whole tier is a bit sparse almost every week currently.

With the exception of Hearts games, and a to a lesser extent Celtic and Rangers, there are plenty seats to go round at Easter Road. Generally speaking when it comes to run of the mill games at 3pm on a Saturday football is very sanitised now, certainly compared to when I first started going in the early 90s, so I'm not sure a dedicated family section is required anymore. The uptake in the area is low and whilst it might be a bit of a pest to those who have sat there for years, the time has come to change things around a bit. I've been there, I got moved out my long term seat to accommodate a singing section a few years back. I was a bit upset at the way it was done rather than with the act itself but I have a new seat now and it's fine. People will adapt and you have to blank out the 'I've been going for 143 years but won't be back if I have to move'. By all means listen to legitimate feedback but a lot of the 'I won't renew' stuff is noise from a handful of people. The majority will adapt and get on with it.

Absolutely agree with that, the best way to do it would be you just buy a ticket / season ticket for the standing area with no individual space allocated, first come first served.

Plenty of folk still nay saying the idea because they don't think it would grow, I can't express how much I disagree with that lack of optimism. If Aberdeen can have an 'ultras' section the size they do there's absolutely no reason we couldn't have the same, if not bigger and certainly better.

The fundamental difference between the FF lower and any other part of the stadium would be that this would be the first time the singing section / ultras would have a part of the stadium purely dedicated to them, not a section of a stand but a whole deck and that would be a bit of a game changer IMO. I would even go so far as to allow them somewhere in the concourse where they could store their banners and flags between games.

It probably isn't a welcome comparison to make, but at it's height Hibs 'casuals' had around 600 members at a time when Hibs crowds were far lower than they are now ... do folk really think we couldn't get at least 1000 fans enthusiastic enough for 'ultras' culture as displayed around Europe to get involved with a self contained dedicated area of the stadium .... no I'm not suggesting it as an excuse for punch ups outside the stadium.

The other thing nobody seems to think of, but I think matters: I can see no prospect of Hearts ever doing something like this, their equivalent of our singing section ( whatever that is ) will continue to be buried away in the Wheatfield stand out of sight of the cameras and out of mind for all you ever hear them on the telly.
Our ultras would be front and centre every time we are on the telly and if last night was anything to go by that will make an impression to TV viewers. If you were a kid looking to be influenced on what team to support which one would you go for, a club where all you can see on the telly is the prawn sandwich brigade in the main stand or the club where what you see at one end of the stadium is a bunch of young fans apparently having fun and bringing noise and colour to the stadium .......... I know which one the youthful Nae Nookie would have chosen.

[DIXIHIBS]

Absolutely agree with that, the best way to do it would be you just buy a ticket / season ticket for the standing area with no individual space allocated, first come first served.

Plenty of folk still nay saying the idea because they don't think it would grow, I can't express how much I disagree with that lack of optimism. If Aberdeen can have an 'ultras' section the size they do there's absolutely no reason we couldn't have the same, if not bigger and certainly better.

The fundamental difference between the FF lower and any other part of the stadium would be that this would be the first time the singing section / ultras would have a part of the stadium purely dedicated to them, not a section of a stand but a whole deck and that would be a bit of a game changer IMO. I would even go so far as to allow them somewhere in the concourse where they could store their banners and flags between games.

The other thing nobody seems to think of, but I think matters: I can see no prospect of Hearts ever doing something like this, their equivalent of our singing section ( whatever that is ) will continue to be buried away in the Wheatfield stand out of sight of the cameras and out of mind for all you ever hear them on the telly.
Our ultras would be front and centre every time we are on the telly and if last night was anything to go by that will make an impression to TV viewers. If you were a kid looking to be influenced on what team to support which one would you go for, a club where all you can see on the telly is the prawn sandwich brigade in the main stand or the club where what you see at one end of the stadium is a bunch of young fans apparently having fun and bringing noise and colour to the stadium .......... I know which one the youthful Nae Nookie would have chosen.

Spot on. I was in the FF last night and i even started tapping my feet along with the drum!!

[hibsforeurope]

Absolutely agree with that, the best way to do it would be you just buy a ticket / season ticket for the standing area with no individual space allocated, first come first served.

Plenty of folk still nay saying the idea because they don't think it would grow, I can't express how much I disagree with that lack of optimism. If Aberdeen can have an 'ultras' section the size they do there's absolutely no reason we couldn't have the same, if not bigger and certainly better.

The fundamental difference between the FF lower and any other part of the stadium would be that this would be the first time the singing section / ultras would have a part of the stadium purely dedicated to them, not a section of a stand but a whole deck and that would be a bit of a game changer IMO. I would even go so far as to allow them somewhere in the concourse where they could store their banners and flags between games.

The other thing nobody seems to think of, but I think matters: I can see no prospect of Hearts ever doing something like this, their equivalent of our singing section ( whatever that is ) will continue to be buried away in the Wheatfield stand out of sight of the cameras and out of mind for all you ever hear them on the telly.
Our ultras would be front and centre every time we are on the telly and if last night was anything to go by that will make an impression to TV viewers. If you were a kid looking to be influenced on what team to support which one would you go for, a club where all you can see on the telly is the prawn sandwich brigade in the main stand or the club where what you see at one end of the stadium is a bunch of young fans apparently having fun and bringing noise and colour to the stadium .......... I know which one the youthful Nae Nookie would have chosen.

Absolutely this, it looked good on the telly last night, with limited numbers. Seeing this grow would be the single best improvement ,in my opinion (outside a winning team), that the club could make. And it's a fairly easy change to implement.

[GreenGray]

Not if hibs change it from family section to "singing section" i presume.

How much of a family section is it? Genuine question. Some of the more “colourful” behaviour I’ve witnessed at Easter Road has been when I have sat there haha


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[NAE NOOKIE]

How much of a family section is it? Genuine question. Some of the more “colourful” behaviour I’ve witnessed at Easter Road has been when I have sat there haha


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Yeh, me as well, I sat in the family section for years and no swearing was very much treated as a guide rather than a rule to be strictly adhered to ... mea culpa I have to admit :greengrin

[GreenCastle]

Absolutely agree with that, the best way to do it would be you just buy a ticket / season ticket for the standing area with no individual space allocated, first come first served.

Plenty of folk still nay saying the idea because they don't think it would grow, I can't express how much I disagree with that lack of optimism. If Aberdeen can have an 'ultras' section the size they do there's absolutely no reason we couldn't have the same, if not bigger and certainly better.

The fundamental difference between the FF lower and any other part of the stadium would be that this would be the first time the singing section / ultras would have a part of the stadium purely dedicated to them, not a section of a stand but a whole deck and that would be a bit of a game changer IMO. I would even go so far as to allow them somewhere in the concourse where they could store their banners and flags between games.

It probably isn't a welcome comparison to make, but at it's height Hibs 'casuals' had around 600 members at a time when Hibs crowds were far lower than they are now ... do folk really think we couldn't get at least 1000 fans enthusiastic enough for 'ultras' culture as displayed around Europe to get involved with a self contained dedicated area of the stadium .... no I'm not suggesting it as an excuse for punch ups outside the stadium.

The other thing nobody seems to think of, but I think matters: I can see no prospect of Hearts ever doing something like this, their equivalent of our singing section ( whatever that is ) will continue to be buried away in the Wheatfield stand out of sight of the cameras and out of mind for all you ever hear them on the telly.
Our ultras would be front and centre every time we are on the telly and if last night was anything to go by that will make an impression to TV viewers. If you were a kid looking to be influenced on what team to support which one would you go for, a club where all you can see on the telly is the prawn sandwich brigade in the main stand or the club where what you see at one end of the stadium is a bunch of young fans apparently having fun and bringing noise and colour to the stadium .......... I know which one the youthful Nae Nookie would have chosen.

I agree with you - I heard Hearts ARE looking to move behind the goals from next season also at Tynecastle. Not sure how reliable but considering Hibs group has been established way before then Hibs need to be having it from next season 100% and not miss the boat again.

The only issue I can see is Hibs spent money improving the FF lower concourse for Hibs kids etc in 2019/2020.

The idea of unreserved seating / standing is a good idea but maybe Hibs will want to know exactly who is sitting / standing where in case any issues.

FF is similar to Silver price range currently.

Section 38 of the East could be a good alternative for families or West 08 (where old family enclosure).

A full section for a Derby or big game would be amazing to see - plus all the noise it would bring with rest of stadium. Would also allow them to do more displays/ tifos etc from FF upper down to lower.

[GIBBY NEWTON]

I wasn't at the game but looking at that photo I'd say it was a failure. Super cheap tickets but only filled what, two sections?
From what i understand the club where only opening the one section behind goals for singing section & also the complete East Stand. It appears late surge for tickets & East a near sell out prompted the opening of more sections in Famous Five lower !
I was going along with my mate & his young grandson & we got tickets in the singing section as thats where his grandson (6) wanted to go ! Got to say like Paisley on Sat they got right behind the team and for me made a difference!
As someone who’s been following Hibs since the early 60s i see the singing section as a plus & the way forward. I agree lots of wee neds have latched on to block 7 and can be a prob nuisance as i seen with over exhuberance sp in Central station on Sat giving those from ibrox a bit verbal.
I think had the first team been doing better this season it would have a larger attendance but i know myself as a S/ticker holder going to ER lately was a hard ask !
I’m personally not for the drum in my ear but it has its place & also big flags do add character but also restrict views of game/goalmouth action. Pluses & minuses, applaud everyone who managed to make game young guys done us proud.
Any negativity imo should be directed elsewhere & not the singing section,or lack of uptake of cheap tickets ! The FF lower is where i’d have SS if it where possible. At 70 been there & done it like many others. Here’s to the best way forward for everyone on & off the park . Gibby Newton

[007]

Maybe the club should make it so Family Season Tickets can be purchased in all the bronze sections.

[Hibby70]

Maybe the club should make it so Family Season Tickets can be purchased in all the bronze sections.

I would have it so anyone being asked to move from FF lower can get their new seats at the same price for a season but also make bronze family prices match if they want those prices longer term.

[erin go bragh]

I wasn't at the game but looking at that photo I'd say it was a failure. Super cheap tickets but only filled what, two sections?

Just under 8 thousand for an under 19 game
You must be at it 🤔😂

[Brightside]

Aberdeen's Red Shed has 2000 unallocated seats. That would be the whole FF lower or near enough. Its £20 quid for an adult and £12 for an under 18 ticket. Superb pricing.

That's the answer. Make the whole FF Lower walk up and those prices and it will sort itself out. I won't go near it and happy to pay more in the West. But its makes the match day experience better.

[Brightside]

I would have it so anyone being asked to move from FF lower can get their new seats at the same price for a season but also make bronze family prices match if they want those prices longer term.

Only if they have actually used the seats during the season. Easy to see which STs were scanned over the year.

[percy veer]

I support it. Should the kids area be in the west?


yeah just move the season tickets from the west to the East , there must be alot of season ticket holder who dont turn up to the games as there are plenty gaps on match days.

[et_hibby]

Yeh, me as well, I sat in the family section for years and no swearing was very much treated as a guide rather than a rule to be strictly adhered to ... mea culpa I have to admit :greengrin

Agree with this. Would say my area of the East, close-ish to the FF, has a bit less swearing than my years taking the kids to the FFL! (Yeh, maybe I should’ve sworn less ..)
Anyway, this idea about relocating the singing section there seems worth a season-long trial- good luck with making it happen. 👍

[Green Man]

There’s a fair bit of chat about existing ST holders being moved, but I haven’t seen much comment from folk who would be happy to stay in the stand next to a relocated singing section. I have a season ticket with my son in section 17 of the FF lower, and I’d happily have the singers next to us - my son loves seeing them so he would be well up for joining in.

[GreenCastle]

There’s a fair bit of chat about existing ST holders being moved, but I haven’t seen much comment from folk who would be happy to stay in the stand next to a relocated singing section. I have a season ticket with my son in section 17 of the FF lower, and I’d happily have the singers next to us - my son loves seeing them so he would be well up for joining in.

Fair point.

Maybe the club should explain its unreserved seating / standing.

Those in the section get first choice to remain in section then they will open new applications for fans to move to that section if they want a ST in that section.

The rest of the tickets are sold on match days or before. Logistically they would probably want to sell before the game.

The other thing is unreserved seating / standing means fans may turn up earlier to support the team possibility ?!

[Onceinawhile]

There’s a fair bit of chat about existing ST holders being moved, but I haven’t seen much comment from folk who would be happy to stay in the stand next to a relocated singing section. I have a season ticket with my son in section 17 of the FF lower, and I’d happily have the singers next to us - my son loves seeing them so he would be well up for joining in.

My 12 year old would love it.

My 8 year old and 5 year old... not so much!

[RIP]

At the moment, Block 7 appear to have the ability to pull a crowd of 200-250 hard core singers, the majority of whom appear to be in their teens.

To fill the FF lower, how many additional fans would they need in order to fill that whole section?

[HendoDelivered]

At the moment, Block 7 appear to have the ability to pull a crowd of 200-250 hard core singers, the majority of whom appear to be in their teens.

To fill the FF lower, how many additional fans would they need in order to fill that whole section?

I think over time they can come really good. Out of curiosity, how old (roughly) were the lads in the group 1875?

[davhibby]

There’s a fair bit of chat about existing ST holders being moved, but I haven’t seen much comment from folk who would be happy to stay in the stand next to a relocated singing section. I have a season ticket with my son in section 17 of the FF lower, and I’d happily have the singers next to us - my son loves seeing them so he would be well up for joining in.

There’s next to no point in doing this unless the whole stand unreserved standing like the red shed at Aberdeen though and I think most are just assuming that wouldn’t suit the vast majority currently in the family section

[erin go bragh]

Do you not need to have a child's season ticket attached to your adult season ticket to get a season ticket in there?

Yes and when the child hits 18, you can no longer sit there.

[NAE NOOKIE]

At the moment, Block 7 appear to have the ability to pull a crowd of 200-250 hard core singers, the majority of whom appear to be in their teens.

To fill the FF lower, how many additional fans would they need in order to fill that whole section?

The FF lower holds 2000 so 1,750 but the attraction wouldn't just be for 'ultra' type fans, you would also get folk who like to stand at games even if they weren't particularly looking to get directly involved with Block 7. I was right at the back of the FF lower on Tuesday night and the soon to be 63 year old me fair enjoyed standing for the entire game.

It's not about fill it or it fails at this stage. If you can get at least 1000 most of whom are prepared to join in then that will be a very good start, we have plenty of fans under 30 who aren't part of block 7 who I'm sure would happily join a singing section... I didn't know most of the songs on Tuesday so I just made noises that sounded like what they were singing :greengrin

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

The FF lower holds 2000 so 1,750 but the attraction wouldn't just be for 'ultra' type fans, you would also get folk who like to stand at games even if they weren't particularly looking to get directly involved with Block 7. I was right at the back of the FF lower on Tuesday night and the soon to be 63 year old me fair enjoyed standing for the entire game.

It's not about fill it or it fails at this stage. If you can get at least 1000 most of whom are prepared to join in then that will be a very good start, we have plenty of fans under 30 who aren't part of block 7 who I'm sure would happily join a singing section... I didn't know most of the songs on Tuesday so I just made noises that sounded like what they were singing :greengrin

I’m 23 and if it changes to FF lower I’ll be moving my seat. I’d wager a fair amount of my pals would be the same


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[Phil MaGlass]

It looked and sounded great on the telly, make it a permanent fixture and the fans will come, no ifs and buts, guaranteed to be packed for games, its what the clubs been screaming out for, get it done.

[Since452]

Easter Road, the FF stand in particular couldn't be designed any better for this. The concourse could house all their flags etc as well.

Surely it would act as a massive inspiration for the players in the second half of games. Would bring back fond memories of shooting down the slope and the psychological edge that gave us.

Price it the same as Aberdeen do the Red Shed. £20 and £12. Will soon be full no problem.

[RIP]

My question is in no way any form of pushback.

It's an essential question that both club management, Block 7 and other advocates of the FFL Singing Section urgently need to address before theory becomes reality.

I worked closely with Fife Hyland to set up the East Stand singing section and we set out to get a group of 'sign-ups' i.e. supporters who would commit to a seat in sections 42 to 44.

450 names were collected via two messageboards and a Facebook page run by 2 lads who played for the Hibs.net team of that era.

That gave us the nucleus of Hibs12thMan who were then established in Section 43 in time for the stand opening.

Block 7, when considering how to take this forward, should move swiftly off the back of the Dortmund game to start a Signups Group.

It's time to take this to the next level and instead of waiting for the board to act, let's make this a supporter-led campaign.

[BoomtownHibees]

If we reduce the pricing in there, is there still a rule we would need to price the away end the same?

[marinello59]

My question is in no way any form of pushback.

It's an essential question that both club management, Block 7 and other advocates of the FFL Singing Section urgently need to address before theory becomes reality.

I worked closely with Fife Hyland to set up the East Stand singing section and we set out to get a group of 'sign-ups' i.e. supporters who would commit to a seat in sections 42 to 44.

450 names were collected via two messageboards and a Facebook page run by 2 lads who played for the Hibs.net team of that era.

That gave us the nucleus of Hibs12thMan who were then established in Section 43 in time for the stand opening.

Block 7, when considering how to take this forward, should move swiftly off the back of the Dortmund game to start a Signups Group.

It's time to take this to the next level and instead of waiting for the board to act, let's make this a supporter-led campaign.

The young lads seem to be doing alright themselves without any need for old codgers like ourselves to be organising them.

[hibsforeurope]

If we reduce the pricing in there, is there still a rule we would need to price the away end the same?

No sure how it works but surely it's already reduced prices in there just now with cheap tickets for kids ?

[CapitalGreen]

If we reduce the pricing in there, is there still a rule we would need to price the away end the same?

If it remained seated the price of tickets in the south lower would need to be the same. I’m not sure if making it safe standing would allow us to charge different prices as it would no longer be a like-for-like offering. The rule doesn’t really make it clear what broadly comparable means.

The rule:
“Except as provided in Rule I32, a Club which is the Home Club for a League Match or a Play-Off Match is prohibited from charging higher admission prices to accommodation designated for supporters of the Visiting Club than for broadly comparable accommodation designated for use by supporters of the Home Club at the same match.”

[Frazerbob]

The young lads seem to be doing alright themselves without any need for old codgers like ourselves to be organising them.

Have you seen the guy that appears to be their leader? I'd put him in the 'old codger' bracket.

[Carheenlea]

No sure how it works but surely it's already reduced prices in there just now with cheap tickets for kids ?

Nobody’s paying £30 odd quid for tickets in FF when Rangers/Hearts/Celtic are the opposition are they?

Not sure that pricing “rule” is taken that seriously to be honest.

[marinello59]

Have you seen the guy that appears to be their leader? I'd put him in the 'old codger' bracket.

You might.
I might not. :greengrin

[Jones28]

My question is in no way any form of pushback.

It's an essential question that both club management, Block 7 and other advocates of the FFL Singing Section urgently need to address before theory becomes reality.

I worked closely with Fife Hyland to set up the East Stand singing section and we set out to get a group of 'sign-ups' i.e. supporters who would commit to a seat in sections 42 to 44.

450 names were collected via two messageboards and a Facebook page run by 2 lads who played for the Hibs.net team of that era.

That gave us the nucleus of Hibs12thMan who were then established in Section 43 in time for the stand opening.

Block 7, when considering how to take this forward, should move swiftly off the back of the Dortmund game to start a Signups Group.

It's time to take this to the next level and instead of waiting for the board to act, let's make this a supporter-led campaign.

From what I've read on here Block 7 seem to be a very closed off group and it sounds like new members have to pass several vetting stages before they're "allowed" to join?

That's what could skewer them, but if Block 7 moved behind the goal and led 2000 or so die hards behind the goal it would be excellent.

[blackpoolhibs]

Aberdeen's Red Shed has 2000 unallocated seats. That would be the whole FF lower or near enough. Its £20 quid for an adult and £12 for an under 18 ticket. Superb pricing.

That suprises me, i was not aware you could sell unallocated seats, i thought the police/club wanted to know who was in every seat.

Good news. :top marks

[Bridge hibs]

From what I've read on here Block 7 seem to be a very closed off group and it sounds like new members have to pass several vetting stages before they're "allowed" to join?

That's what could skewer them, but if Block 7 moved behind the goal and led 2000 or so die hards behind the goal it would be excellent.

Vetting system ? Ffs thats me out then, they wont want an auld pishy breeks standing amongst them playing my spoons 🤬

Mon the auld codgers, we could set up our own group, Sectioned 92

[007]

Have you seen the guy that appears to be their leader? I'd put him in the 'old codger' bracket.

Heard what sounded like an older guy leading the chants on Tuesday. Could've been using a loudhailer.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

That suprises me, i was not aware you could sell unallocated seats, i thought the police/club wanted to know who was in every seat.

Good news. :top marks

I'm sure there's no laws against selling unallocated seating but if you have a 2,000 seater area split into 5 sections but all 2,000 spectators are trying to cram into the middle 3 sections then that could cause various problems.
Has there been any issues/incidents at Pittodrie since the 'Red Shed' opened?

I'm all for it by the way, Aberdeens set up sounds like a plan. We need it ASAP in my opinion but a system of say giving existing season ticket holders a 2 or 3 years notice and no new season tickets sold should have been implemented when Ron first came in.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I'm sure there's no laws against selling unallocated seating but if you have a 2,000 seater area split into 5 sections but all 2,000 spectators are trying to cram into the middle 3 sections then that could cause various problems.
Has there been any issues/incidents at Pittodrie since the 'Red Shed' opened?

Unallocated seating at Motherwell in the cup last year was brilliant in my experience tbf


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[DIXIHIBS]

Heard what sounded like an older guy leading the chants on Tuesday. Could've been using a loudhailer.

He did have a loudhailer...but he was a bit tone deaf which had its own problems😀😀

[DH1875]

Yes and when the child hits 18, you can no longer sit there.

So why are there so many long term season ticket holders currently in there. If you had a season ticket in there since it opened, how old are your kids.

[Onceinawhile]

So why are there so many long term season ticket holders currently in there. If you had a season ticket in there since it opened, how old are your kids.

You need a child season ticket in your group. So you could have a grandchild in there.

[DH1875]

You need a child season ticket in your group. So you could have a grandchild in there.

What, all of them?

[LaMotta]

He did have a loudhailer...but he was a bit tone deaf which had its own problems😀😀

It was Thomas Tuchel:
:greengrin
https://twitter.com/FitbaPatter/status/1623423615847829507?t=7BPm9O9NxfJC3ed_oSNtKA&s=19

[RIP]

The young lads seem to be doing alright themselves without any need for old codgers like ourselves to be organising them.

Doing alright with their own group I wholeheartedly agree. The capo, drum, tifo, marches, songbook(not all), clothing I'm all for.

However it's now been 12 years since Sect43 first mooted moving to the FFL. Many of that group are now married, got kids and mortgages.

At this rate you and I will have shuffled off before the North Stand singing section gets up and running. Following a plan like the one Im proposing could have it in place by next season.

[BoomtownHibees]

Nobody’s paying £30 odd quid for tickets in FF when Rangers/Hearts/Celtic are the opposition are they?

Not sure that pricing “rule” is taken that seriously to be honest.

Walk up’s would be paying that amount would they not?

[JimBHibees]

Walk up’s would be paying that amount would they not?

Yep they would

[Glory Lurker]

One of the things that gets on my goat about ultras is their fast turnover of songs that only they know and they've nicked from other teams.

It's all about finding a song that has a repeating chorus. Nothing is sacred. Hearing the hearts fans plagiarising Dawning of a New Era shows ultras don't care what they desecrate just for a sing song. By themselves. That they've doubtless lifted from some other team.

If Block 7 besmirch DoaNE (or if they are doing it already, I can't be sure) I'd give them lifetimes in the interests of preserving some musical class about ER.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

One of the things that gets on my goat about ultras is their fast turnover of songs that only they know and they've nicked from other teams.

It's all about finding a song that has a repeating chorus. Nothing is sacred. Hearing the hearts fans plagiarising Dawning of a New Era shows ultras don't care what they desecrate just for a sing song. By themselves. That they've doubtless lifted from some other team.

If Block 7 besmirch DoaNE (or if they are doing it already, I can't be sure) I'd give them lifetimes in the interests of preserving some musical class about ER.

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[Frazerbob]

Heard what sounded like an older guy leading the chants on Tuesday. Could've been using a loudhailer.

Not referring to him. There's a guy in his 40's maybe, tattoos on his neck, wears the branded black cagoule, who seems to run the show. All a bit Fagin.

[Glory Lurker]

man yells at cloud


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If you were cool, you'd get it!

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

If you were cool, you'd get it!

I was only winding you up mate I love the specials [emoji1787]


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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Not referring to him. There's a guy in his 40's maybe, tattoos on his neck, wears the branded black cagoule, who seems to run the show. All a bit Fagin.

Not Ryan Stevenson is it?


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