Man city breach financial rules

[Donegal Hibby]

Seems to be getting worse in the English premier League for financial breaches over the last few years .
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/10178018/man-city-charged-financial-rules-breaches/

[SteveHFC]

Will be surprised if anything happens.

[Pagan Hibernia]

It can be fun watching the chickens come home to roost in football… like it did up here in 2012 and 2013 in the west ends of Glasgow and Edinburgh.

city will probably wriggle out of this though.

[Billy Whizz]

And Chelsea not far behind

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11714053/amp/Chelseas-spending-spree-fall-foul-Financial-Fair-Play-rules-soon-season.html

[Donegal Hibby]

Will be surprised if anything happens.
Was Juventus not given a 15 point deduction for something similar? Surely Man city won't escape without any sort punishment for this ?

[HFC 0-7]

small points reduction and they will find a big carpet to brush it under.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Everyone knows that the likes of Man City and Chelsea constantly break financial rules. Chelsea spent 313 million in the January transfer window; how the hell can that be done whilst adhering to the rules? No doubt Newcastle will soon be doing the same. Such clubs pay a fortune to accountants and lawyers to keep them out of trouble; it looks like they've been rumbled this time.

[Torto7]

Everyone knows that the likes of Man City and Chelsea constantly break financial rules. Chelsea spent 313 million in the January transfer window; how the hell can that be done whilst adhering to the rules? No doubt Newcastle will soon be doing the same. Such clubs pay a fortune to accountants and lawyers to keep them out of trouble; it looks like they've been rumbled this time.

So do the other clubs. Singling out Chelsea and City is just sour grapes from the others. All clubs cheat I'm afraid. If we ever had a close unfiltered look into clubs medical departments we would see this. :wink:

[SHODAN]

Can't wait to see what doesn't get done about it this time.

[Hibernia&Alba]

So do the other clubs. Singling out Chelsea and City is just sour grapes from the others. All clubs cheat I'm afraid. If we ever had a close unfiltered look into clubs medical departments we would see this. :wink:

The wealthiest clubs are all looking for every advantage, no doubt. There are huge amounts of money sloshing around at the pinnacle of the sport, and that inevitably creates greed and corruption. It's very opaque; what exactly are oil rich states up to when buying football clubs, for example? It all needs a proper investigation.

[cabbageandribs1875]

after watching them yesterday i think they need to break them some more

[Donegal Hibby]

Pep Guardiola had previously said he would quit if city were proven guilty , wonder would he if they are ? Though according to this on skysports it could take a long time yet for this to come to a conclusion yet !
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12804621/explained-what-could-happen-to-man-city-very-very-serious-matter

[Hibs4185]

Everyone knows that the likes of Man City and Chelsea constantly break financial rules. Chelsea spent 313 million in the January transfer window; how the hell can that be done whilst adhering to the rules? No doubt Newcastle will soon be doing the same. Such clubs pay a fortune to accountants and lawyers to keep them out of trouble; it looks like they've been rumbled this time.

I think Newcastle have shown considerable restraint considering the new resources available. Plus they have underspent massively in the seasons prior.

[MWHIBBIES]

I mean, when your owners already kill and oppress people, what's a bit of fraud.

Disgusting club really.

[Since452]

I think Newcastle have shown considerable restraint considering the new resources available. Plus they have underspent massively in the seasons prior.

Im sure Eddie Howe has spent 200 million plus in his short time there. People say what a great job he's doing. No wonder.

[MWHIBBIES]

Pep Guardiola had previously said he would quit if city were proven guilty , wonder would he if they are ? Though according to this on skysports it could take a long time yet for this to come to a conclusion yet !
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12804621/explained-what-could-happen-to-man-city-very-very-serious-matter

Pep knows exactly what's going on. They bought Girona as a present for peps brother basically. Hes not daft.

[The_Exile]

Chelsea spent 313 million in the January transfer window; how the hell can that be done whilst adhering to the rules?

Long contracts reduces the cap spend in any given year. I think the new lad at Chelsea is on an 8 and a half year contract or something stupid like that. Same with any other big signing down there, the contract lengths are being taken to new extremes to exploit what is essentially a quite comical loophole.

[Northernhibee]

It's stripping any enjoyment out of the game. When you get a generational talent like a Messi, Neymar, Mbappe, Haaland etc. becoming available, there are likely only three or four clubs tops who they will end up going to.

It's pleasing to see that at least two of those clubs couldn't buy a Champions League if they tried, but before too long it'll happen.

[Keith_M]

So do the other clubs. Singling out Chelsea and City is just sour grapes from the others. All clubs cheat I'm afraid. If we ever had a close unfiltered look into clubs medical departments we would see this. :wink:


The amount of money now in football has already created an incredibly large disparity between what certain clubs can achieve in their own leagues, and also limits the last eight stages of the Champions League to a monotonously small group of (near) ever presents.

Red Bull Salzburg, for instance, have basically bought the Austrian league title for the last nine seasons (about to be ten). Manchester City, PSG and others are doing the same in their leagues. This is purely down to owners with incredibly deep pockets evading the rules.

Real and Barcelona share the Spanish title between them, despite having combined debts of well over a billion Euros.

I don't know about you, but I'd love to see something done about that.

[Billy Whizz]

Long contracts reduces the cap spend in any given year. I think the new lad at Chelsea is on an 8 and a half year contract or something stupid like that. Same with any other big signing down there, the contract lengths are being taken to new extremes to exploit what is essentially a quite comical loophole.

But if they don’t make champions league next season, revenues will fall, and there will be a fire sale at the end of this season

[Irish_Steve]

I think Newcastle have shown considerable restraint considering the new resources available. Plus they have underspent massively in the seasons prior.

Despite the Magpies dislike of Ashley, he left them in a really good position financially speaking so they can afford to splash out before fair play kicks in

[FilipinoHibs]

Chelsea have spread transfer fees over several years to get round fair play rules.

[wallpaperman]

I’d like to see every last one of them get severely punished, thrown out of European competition for a couple of seasons, that would stop any of this **** going forward.

The English Premier League is just horrible now, can’t stand it and the billions sloshing around it. Yuk.

[Lendo]

If you fancy a laugh go and read the the Follow Follow thread on it. Not a shred of irony or self awareness at their accusations that Man City cheated their way to titles.

[NC1875]

I’d like to see every last one of them get severely punished, thrown out of European competition for a couple of seasons, that would stop any of this **** going forward.

The English Premier League is just horrible now, can’t stand it and the billions sloshing around it. Yuk.

Exactly. The money in that league is ridiculous. People all over Britain striking for a 10% wage rise while English clubs pay donkeys over 100k a week. The sooner the English premier goes tits up the better.

[CropleyWasGod]

Chelsea have spread transfer fees over several years to get round fair play rules.

Most clubs do that. Including us.

[Hibs90]

They are all at it.

City are just being made a scapegoat. United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal. The lot of them. Money and greed has simply taken over the game at that level and with the emergence of Newcastle to come it's only going to get worse.

[HarpOnHibee]

When you look at the sheer amount of money floating around in the EPL and leagues of similar stature, not one single regular player is worth the amount they're being paid. It's beyond ludicrous the amount they're being paid for what it is that they do and has been for quite some time.

[HendoDelivered]

Couldn’t happen to a better club tbh. Hope Chelsea are next! Despise them both.

[MWHIBBIES]

They are all at it.

City are just being made a scapegoat. United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal. The lot of them. Money and greed has simply taken over the game at that level and with the emergence of Newcastle to come it's only going to get worse.

You are mistaken here. Arsenal, Liverpool and United are not cheating like City are. City are literally making up companies to give them money, among other things.

City are no scapegoat. You don't think the league will have looked into other clubs?

[ScottB]

At this point, just let them spend, who cares. Creating rules to try and control how much money billionaires want to throw at clubs seems ultimately futile. City, Chelsea, United, PSG etc etc are all owned by varying degrees of monster spending varying amounts of blood money. Seems almost odd to stress about the exact amounts, like, the idea of ‘oh, your state owned company funnelling state money into your state owned club is slightly too much to be fair, how dare you.’ just seems ridiculous.

Alternatively, they’d have to try and properly regulate the sport with wage / expenditure caps, but it seems there’s little appetite for that. Focusing it around income / loss feels like an attempt to entrench the existing big, rich clubs as the only ones allowed ever more.

[Donegal Hibby]

It should all have been stopped when Chelsea and Man city started to spend crazy money now it's getting more and more out of control . Chelsea spending £600 million in 4 months can't really be explained . City , Chelsea , Newcastle and talk of spurs getting taken over recently as well . I wonder what are the agendas of these people that have taken over some of these clubs as they are hardly supporters of them and what happens when they get bored of there new toys ?

[Ozyhibby]

Seen this movie before. Nothing will happen.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[NAE NOOKIE]

Of course there is the other side of financial fair play.

Basically the theory is that no club can spend more than it earns, which on the face of it means that no club should get into financial trouble. But what does that mean for the actual competitions these clubs play in if that rule was rigidly adhered to?

In what world will Brentford, Brighton or Fulham ever have the same earning power as Man United, Liverpool or Arsenal?

In what world would Mainz, Werder Bremen or Union Berlin ever have the earning power of Bayern Munich or Borrussia Dortmund?

In what world would Mallorca, Celta Vigo or Getafe ever have the earning power of Barcelona, Atletico Madrid or Real Madrid

In what world would Atalanta, Palermo or Udinese ever have the earning power of Inter Milan, AC Milan or Juventus?

In what world would Hibs, Hearts or Aberdeen ever have the earning power of Celtic or Rangers?

The end game of such a system of financial 'fair play' is that the giants with their huge crowds and world wide appeal who can attract the biggest and most lucrative sponsorship deals will remain the giants, with the end of tournament prize money that goes with it, and the ability of smaller clubs to ever challenge them will be forever curtailed. What the hell is 'fair' about that?

If FIFA, UEFA and national associations were serious about 'fair play' there would be a transfer budget cap and wages cap that would enable, if not small clubs, then at least mid ranged clubs to be competitive with the giants. EG if the EPL limited annual transfer budgets to say 70 million and for example the highest earner at any club to £50,000 per week that would enable Wolves, West Ham and Everton to compete with Liverpool, Man United, Man City and Chelsea, not to mention new comers to the ultra rich club Newcastle.

If FIFA, UEFA and CONMEBOL got together to fix a worldwide maximum transfer budget and maximum wage limit there would be massively beneficial knock on effects. Perhaps South American fans would be able to see some of their best players in the flesh playing in their own leagues in their prime and not just at the very start and very arse end of their careers.

It probably wouldn't benefit Hibs very much, but there are a pile of clubs out there just now who could be competitive of the gap between what they can pay and what the giants can pay under FIFA's so called 'financial fair play' rules was closed.

I say it again .... What is 'fair' about a club like Hibs living within its earning capacity being expected to compete with a club like Celtic living withing theirs, with absolutely no chance of Hibs ever being able to close that financial gap if FIFA / UEFA rules as they currently stand are applied?

[Glory Lurker]

Although there is always the consolation that in most cases the guys chucking the cash in are fine, upstanding folk.

[basehibby]

So do the other clubs. Singling out Chelsea and City is just sour grapes from the others. All clubs cheat I'm afraid. If we ever had a close unfiltered look into clubs medical departments we would see this. :wink:

Doesn't mean they should not be punished when caught taking the pish

[SteveHFC]

Was Juventus not given a 15 point deduction for something similar? Surely Man city won't escape without any sort punishment for this ?

Hopefully we see them get expelled to the lowest division possible and trophies taking off them. :greengrin

[cocteautwin]

Does anyone know what financial inputs to a club might be considered as making up excessive payments under the rules?

I’ve always been curious to what extent Hearts might ever fall foul (or not) of FFP rules if they ever existed in Scotland.

I know the amounts Hearts are receiving are peanuts compared to what is happening in England but within the context of Scottish football the injections of cash Hearts are receiving each year are significant and should put them at a significant advantage over all clubs aside from the Old Firm. Hearts straight off injections of cash from Anderson of £4m a year should put them easily in 3rd place every year and winning trophies.

Here’s an interesting fact: If Hearts don’t win the Scottish Cup this season they’ll have spent their way through £50m of external cash injections from Anderson, Fans and Budge by the next time they can win a trophy.

It’s comical how much they are spending and winning nothing.

[Forza Fred]

You are mistaken here. Arsenal, Liverpool and United are not cheating like City are. City are literally making up companies to give them money, among other things.

City are no scapegoat. You don't think the league will have looked into other clubs?

Maybe I’m missing the obvious, but I don’t see how the owners putting money in is not ok?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Maybe I’m missing the obvious, but I don’t see how the owners putting money in is not ok?

They’re creating companies to “sponsor” the club to flout the rules is my understanding


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[HoboHarry]

Does anyone know what financial inputs to a club might be considered as making up excessive payments under the rules?

I’ve always been curious to what extent Hearts might ever fall foul (or not) of FFP rules if they ever existed in Scotland.

I know the amounts Hearts are receiving are peanuts compared to what is happening in England but within the context of Scottish football the injections of cash Hearts are receiving each year are significant and should put them at a significant advantage over all clubs aside from the Old Firm. Hearts straight off injections of cash from Anderson of £4m a year should put them easily in 3rd place every year and winning trophies.

Here’s an interesting fact: If Hearts don’t win the Scottish Cup this season they’ll have spent their way through £50m of external cash injections from Anderson, Fans and Budge by the next time they can win a trophy.

It’s comical how much they are spending and winning nothing.

To be fair, about 20 million of that must have been used up getting Robbie Replays hair cut.

[Forza Fred]

They’re creating companies to “sponsor” the club to flout the rules is my understanding


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I get that, presumably to disguise the money was coming from the owners?

But can’t see the difference between a ‘sponsor’ putting in their cash, or the owners putting in theirs.

At the end of the day the club receives the same amount, irrespective of who pays it?

[MWHIBBIES]

I get that, presumably to disguise the money was coming from the owners?

But can’t see the difference between a ‘sponsor’ putting in their cash, or the owners putting in theirs.

At the end of the day the club receives the same amount, irrespective of who pays it?


Because you cannot just cook the books like that. It's fraud and money laundering. FFP means you can only spend relative to your turnover. They're bypassing that by just flooding in money through day old companies. Owners aren't allowed to just pump in an unlimited amount anymore. They haven't been for years.

[Forza Fred]

Because you cannot just cook the books like that. It's fraud and money laundering. FFP means you can only spend relative to your turnover. They're bypassing that by just flooding in money through day old companies. Owners aren't allowed to just pump in an unlimited amount anymore. They haven't been for years.

If you can only spend to your turnover, how come Ronaldo is getting paid millions tp play in Saudi Arabia?

And what comprises ‘turnover’?

And if I win the Oz lottery on Thursday and gift Hibs 10 million…do they get charged to?

And in Scotland, isn’t it likely that Queens Park’s wage bill exceeds their income?

I get there are ‘rules’.

Just don’t seem clear to me.

[MWHIBBIES]

If you can only spend to your turnover, how come Ronaldo is getting paid millions tp play in Saudi Arabia?

And if I win the Oz lottery on Thursday and gift Hibs 10 million…do they get charged to?


Pretty sure neither of those 2 leagues have those restrictions, so probably not.

[Forza Fred]

Pretty sure neither of those 2 leagues have those restrictions, so probably not.

So the FIFA rule only applies to some leagues and not to others?

[MWHIBBIES]

So the FIFA rule only applies to some leagues and not to others?

This isn't Fifa. This is premier league rules.

[Forza Fred]

This isn't Fifa. This is premier league rules.

Wiki is my friend and it tells me that there is a thing called '"UEFA FFP regulations"

Maybe as you say, the Premier League have different or additional rules.

I'm not arguing for or against..or with you....but what I read of the 'rules' still doesn't make it clear what can and cannot be done.

Where I am we have a 'salary cap' operating, so its not as if I'm not aware of similar things...but they are clearer than what I read.

There was a 'so called expert' just on our news here, and he used terms like 'financial doping', sporting integrity etc......although other than 'a lack of transparency' he never really explained exactly what was the issue.

Be interesting to see if there are any ramifications for Melbourne City who are part of the same group...but as you say if its only a Premier League ruling then they won't be affected.

Not real bothered about the Premier League tbh.

[Alex Trager]

It's stripping any enjoyment out of the game. When you get a generational talent like a Messi, Neymar, Mbappe, Haaland etc. becoming available, there are likely only three or four clubs tops who they will end up going to.

It's pleasing to see that at least two of those clubs couldn't buy a Champions League if they tried, but before too long it'll happen.

I don’t understand this argument.

This talent would typically just go to one of the bigger more established clubs like Real, Barca, Bayern, Man U or Liverpool (less so).

Why do folk hate that there are ‘new’ teams for them to go to?

I understand the ethics behind their cash, I don’t understand why folk are so upset about the classic bigger clubs being challenged by others.

They’ve designed competitions to ensure the money stays with these classic clubs, unless others find a source of income like City have.

See the constant galaticos for example.

[Ozyhibby]

Of course there is the other side of financial fair play.

Basically the theory is that no club can spend more than it earns, which on the face of it means that no club should get into financial trouble. But what does that mean for the actual competitions these clubs play in if that rule was rigidly adhered to?

In what world will Brentford, Brighton or Fulham ever have the same earning power as Man United, Liverpool or Arsenal?

In what world would Mainz, Werder Bremen or Union Berlin ever have the earning power of Bayern Munich or Borrussia Dortmund?

In what world would Mallorca, Celta Vigo or Getafe ever have the earning power of Barcelona, Atletico Madrid or Real Madrid

In what world would Atalanta, Palermo or Udinese ever have the earning power of Inter Milan, AC Milan or Juventus?

In what world would Hibs, Hearts or Aberdeen ever have the earning power of Celtic or Rangers?

The end game of such a system of financial 'fair play' is that the giants with their huge crowds and world wide appeal who can attract the biggest and most lucrative sponsorship deals will remain the giants, with the end of tournament prize money that goes with it, and the ability of smaller clubs to ever challenge them will be forever curtailed. What the hell is 'fair' about that?

If FIFA, UEFA and national associations were serious about 'fair play' there would be a transfer budget cap and wages cap that would enable, if not small clubs, then at least mid ranged clubs to be competitive with the giants. EG if the EPL limited annual transfer budgets to say 70 million and for example the highest earner at any club to £50,000 per week that would enable Wolves, West Ham and Everton to compete with Liverpool, Man United, Man City and Chelsea, not to mention new comers to the ultra rich club Newcastle.

If FIFA, UEFA and CONMEBOL got together to fix a worldwide maximum transfer budget and maximum wage limit there would be massively beneficial knock on effects. Perhaps South American fans would be able to see some of their best players in the flesh playing in their own leagues in their prime and not just at the very start and very arse end of their careers.

It probably wouldn't benefit Hibs very much, but there are a pile of clubs out there just now who could be competitive of the gap between what they can pay and what the giants can pay under FIFA's so called 'financial fair play' rules was closed.

I say it again .... What is 'fair' about a club like Hibs living within its earning capacity being expected to compete with a club like Celtic living withing theirs, with absolutely no chance of Hibs ever being able to close that financial gap if FIFA / UEFA rules as they currently stand are applied?

Then salary cap the league. A system that works well all over the world in other sports and in the MLS.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[hibsbollah]

Of course there is the other side of financial fair play.

Basically the theory is that no club can spend more than it earns, which on the face of it means that no club should get into financial trouble. But what does that mean for the actual competitions these clubs play in if that rule was rigidly adhered to?

In what world will Brentford, Brighton or Fulham ever have the same earning power as Man United, Liverpool or Arsenal?

In what world would Mainz, Werder Bremen or Union Berlin ever have the earning power of Bayern Munich or Borrussia Dortmund?

In what world would Mallorca, Celta Vigo or Getafe ever have the earning power of Barcelona, Atletico Madrid or Real Madrid

In what world would Atalanta, Palermo or Udinese ever have the earning power of Inter Milan, AC Milan or Juventus?

In what world would Hibs, Hearts or Aberdeen ever have the earning power of Celtic or Rangers?

The end game of such a system of financial 'fair play' is that the giants with their huge crowds and world wide appeal who can attract the biggest and most lucrative sponsorship deals will remain the giants, with the end of tournament prize money that goes with it, and the ability of smaller clubs to ever challenge them will be forever curtailed. What the hell is 'fair' about that?

If FIFA, UEFA and national associations were serious about 'fair play' there would be a transfer budget cap and wages cap that would enable, if not small clubs, then at least mid ranged clubs to be competitive with the giants. EG if the EPL limited annual transfer budgets to say 70 million and for example the highest earner at any club to £50,000 per week that would enable Wolves, West Ham and Everton to compete with Liverpool, Man United, Man City and Chelsea, not to mention new comers to the ultra rich club Newcastle.

If FIFA, UEFA and CONMEBOL got together to fix a worldwide maximum transfer budget and maximum wage limit there would be massively beneficial knock on effects. Perhaps South American fans would be able to see some of their best players in the flesh playing in their own leagues in their prime and not just at the very start and very arse end of their careers.

It probably wouldn't benefit Hibs very much, but there are a pile of clubs out there just now who could be competitive of the gap between what they can pay and what the giants can pay under FIFA's so called 'financial fair play' rules was closed.

I say it again .... What is 'fair' about a club like Hibs living within its earning capacity being expected to compete with a club like Celtic living withing theirs, with absolutely no chance of Hibs ever being able to close that financial gap if FIFA / UEFA rules as they currently stand are applied?

If it were all about club size, then Bournemouth wouldn’t be able to outbid AC Milan for wages, as happened this transfer window. The biggest problem isn’t Citeh or PSG, it’s the continuing pulling away of England from the rest of Europe. Giant teams like Benfica and Dortmund with giant supports who used to exist on their own terms are now feeder clubs to the English elite.

[nonshinyfinish]

Does anyone know what financial inputs to a club might be considered as making up excessive payments under the rules?

I’ve always been curious to what extent Hearts might ever fall foul (or not) of FFP rules if they ever existed in Scotland.

I know the amounts Hearts are receiving are peanuts compared to what is happening in England but within the context of Scottish football the injections of cash Hearts are receiving each year are significant and should put them at a significant advantage over all clubs aside from the Old Firm. Hearts straight off injections of cash from Anderson of £4m a year should put them easily in 3rd place every year and winning trophies.

Here’s an interesting fact: If Hearts don’t win the Scottish Cup this season they’ll have spent their way through £50m of external cash injections from Anderson, Fans and Budge by the next time they can win a trophy.

It’s comical how much they are spending and winning nothing.

Owners/boards/related parties are allowed to invest/donate a certain amount (~€30m, I think) over the three-year FFP accounting period, and the amount Anderson donates to Hearts is below that threshold.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I don’t understand this argument.

This talent would typically just go to one of the bigger more established clubs like Real, Barca, Bayern, Man U or Liverpool (less so).

Why do folk hate that there are ‘new’ teams for them to go to?

I understand the ethics behind their cash, I don’t understand why folk are so upset about the classic bigger clubs being challenged by others.

They’ve designed competitions to ensure the money stays with these classic clubs, unless others find a source of income like City have.

See the constant galaticos for example.

Agreed.

[One Day Soon]

Although there is always the consolation that in most cases the guys chucking the cash in are fine, upstanding folk.

Very underrated post.

[LaMotta]

Does anyone know what financial inputs to a club might be considered as making up excessive payments under the rules?

I’ve always been curious to what extent Hearts might ever fall foul (or not) of FFP rules if they ever existed in Scotland.

I know the amounts Hearts are receiving are peanuts compared to what is happening in England but within the context of Scottish football the injections of cash Hearts are receiving each year are significant and should put them at a significant advantage over all clubs aside from the Old Firm. Hearts straight off injections of cash from Anderson of £4m a year should put them easily in 3rd place every year and winning trophies.

Here’s an interesting fact: If Hearts don’t win the Scottish Cup this season they’ll have spent their way through £50m of external cash injections from Anderson, Fans and Budge by the next time they can win a trophy.

It’s comical how much they are spending and winning nothing.

Hmm good points here. Given that they see themselves as such a massive club and also with the Romanov years and big cash injections from benefactors, their trophy haul in the last 50 years has been pathetic.

Out of interest can you explain the £50m figure and how you got to that? Would like to use it in discussions.:greengrin

[where'stheslope]

Hmm good points here. Given that they see themselves as such a massive club and also with the Romanov years and big cash injections from benefactors, their trophy haul in the last 50 years has been pathetic.

Out of interest can you explain the £50m figure and how you got to that? Would like to use it in discussions.:greengrin
No discussion required, just the thought that we all thought when Ron Gordon came a calling, we would be getting bigger players!
All we seem to have got is big TV's?
Loads of money other clubs get is rank rotten, but if it was to come our way, "would or could we say no"????

[LaMotta]

No discussion required, just the thought that we all thought when Ron Gordon came a calling, we would be getting bigger players!
All we seem to have got is big TV's?
Loads of money other clubs get is rank rotten, but if it was to come our way, "would or could we say no"????

Sorry you've totally lost me here....

[MWHIBBIES]

No discussion required, just the thought that we all thought when Ron Gordon came a calling, we would be getting bigger players!
All we seem to have got is big TV's?
Loads of money other clubs get is rank rotten, but if it was to come our way, "would or could we say no"????

To money made from murder and oppression? Yes, I certainly would say no.

[WeeRussell]

Sorry you've totally lost me here....

Can’t be sure but I think, without the benefit of any further required discussion, he’s saying the figure came from a big TV.

[cocteautwin]

Hmm good points here. Given that they see themselves as such a massive club and also with the Romanov years and big cash injections from benefactors, their trophy haul in the last 50 years has been pathetic.

Out of interest can you explain the £50m figure and how you got to that? Would like to use it in discussions.:greengrin

The current spend of donated cash is around £45m:

Foundation = £15m
Anderson = £24m
Anderson via Sponsorship = £3m
Budge = £3m
Total = £45m

By the next time they can win a trophy (assuming they don't win the Scottish Cup this year), you'll need to add £4m (Anderson) + 1m (Foundation), that'll bring the total to £50m spent by the clowns on the Tynecastle Board.

Of course, if they do win the Scottish Cup this year I'll have to stop counting and my Hearts mates can point their finger at me and laugh. Still, it'll be around £45m spent for a trophy - a higher spend per trophy than Vlad spent to win his 2 trophies.

[cocteautwin]

Hmm good points here. Given that they see themselves as such a massive club and also with the Romanov years and big cash injections from benefactors, their trophy haul in the last 50 years has been pathetic.

Out of interest can you explain the £50m figure and how you got to that? Would like to use it in discussions.:greengrin

Indeed, for all the extra cash they've had (£20m Robinson, £70/80m Vlad, £45m current incarnation) their trophy haul is indeed pathetic. It's less than Hibs in my lifetime (Hibs 4-3 Hearts).

[Eyrie]

I see Guardiola is backtracking (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64598036) now.


Guardiola previously said he would leave City if allegations they broke financial rules were proven.
However, he said he had no intention of quitting on Friday, adding: "I am not moving from this seat, I can assure you. I want to stay more than ever."
Mind you, he also said


A two-year ban from European competitions for breaching Uefa's Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations was overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) in 2020.
"The club proved they were completely innocent," said Guardiola.
...when in fact some of the UEFA charges had to be dropped due to being timed out.

[Up-the-slope]

Just wondering about this thread title :confused: - as its currently factually incorrect and potentially libelous. Regardless of views on Man City and their business model, surely innocent until proved guilty :dunno:


Its nothing new for football clubs to be accused of financial impropriety - Including our own. But accusation and guilt are 2 different things.

[MWHIBBIES]

Just wondering about this thread title :confused: - as its currently factually incorrect and potentially libelous. Regardless of views on Man City and their business model, surely innocent until proved guilty :dunno:


Its nothing new for football clubs to be accused of financial impropriety - Including our own. But accusation and guilt are 2 different things.

It's not incorrect . They actually did it. Uefa just couldn't get them previously because the evidence had expired. That isn't the case with the premier league.

[Up-the-slope]

It's not incorrect . They actually did it. Uefa just couldn't get them previously because the evidence had expired. That isn't the case with the premier league.

Actually did what ?(and this thread was started after EPL allegations not UEFA) as you cant be found guilty if evidence not valid for what ever reason

[MWHIBBIES]

Actually did what ?(and this thread was started after EPL allegations not UEFA) as you cant be found guilty if evidence not valid for what ever reason

They broke FFP rules and sponsorship rules.

Getting off because evidence expired isn't the same as being innocent.

Do you genuinely think they are going to sue Hibs.net because someone called them guilty on it?

[wallpaperman]

Just wondering about this thread title :confused: - as its currently factually incorrect and potentially libelous. Regardless of views on Man City and their business model, surely innocent until proved guilty :dunno:


Its nothing new for football clubs to be accused of financial impropriety - Including our own. But accusation and guilt are 2 different things.

Horribly immoral club, they are not the only ones in the EPL, despise the lot of them, ruined football from a competitive point of view.

I’m glad I can remember when some Scottish clubs could go toe to toe with the biggest clubs in Europe.

That being said if they all ****ed off into some super league and withdrew from their domestic leagues I would be happy with that.

[Up-the-slope]

They broke FFP rules and sponsorship rules.

Getting off because evidence expired isn't the same as being innocent.

Do you genuinely think they are going to sue Hibs.net because someone called them guilty on it?

But its still a fact they could not be found guilty. No of course I don't expect them to Sue .Net - but should that mean we should normalise stating opinion as fact :confused: The reason I keep of most social media if how much of this is tolerated

[Up-the-slope]

Horribly immoral club, they are not the only ones in the EPL, despise the lot of them, ruined football from a competitive point of view.

I’m glad I can remember when some Scottish clubs could go toe to toe with the biggest clubs in Europe.

That being said if they all ****ed off into some super league and withdrew from their domestic leagues I would be happy with that.

Its certainly money / greed that has ruined much of football - letting SKY buy Scottish football years ago was when it gained momentum... gave oxygen and cash to the bigotry in the west (I remember Celtic park with c. 12k playing them)... EPL was the result of those south of the border seeing the SKY cash and selling out to that... (and us complaining that the circus had moved on)...

But thats all away from original thread title... apoligies

[wallpaperman]

Its certainly money / greed that has ruined much of football - letting SKY buy Scottish football years ago was when it gained momentum... gave oxygen and cash to the bigotry in the west (I remember Celtic park with c. 12k playing them)... EPL was the result of those south of the border seeing the SKY cash and selling out to that... (and us complaining that the circus had moved on)...

But thats all away from original thread title... apoligies

Yeah remember those days as well, there was a video on Twitter the other day of Rangers v Dundee, think it was maybe 1983, crowd of 8500.

[Hibs90]

You are mistaken here. Arsenal, Liverpool and United are not cheating like City are. City are literally making up companies to give them money, among other things.

City are no scapegoat. You don't think the league will have looked into other clubs?

If you don't think other top teams aren't cooking the books as you put it then you are very mistaken.

[MWHIBBIES]

If you don't think other top teams aren't cooking the books as you put it then you are very mistaken.

You think the premier league are just after city? I assume you'll have loads of proof of other clubs getting illegal sponsorship if you're so certain?

I'm not saying it's not happening, but the only case is against Manchester City.

I'd be pretty confident in saying Arsenal, Liverpool, United and Spurs aren't doing what City are doing.