American owners

[Greenworld]

I feared this would happen , Hibs, Aberdeen , Dundee utd all have 2 things in common American owners and shambolic teams . Hopefully there is someone out there that can buy hibs. ANDY MURRAY you know you want to .

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[007]

I feared this would happen , Hibs, Aberdeen , Dundee utd all have 2 things in common American owners and shambolic teams . Hopefully there is someone out there that can buy hibs. ANDY MURRAY you know you want to .

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And he doesn't need to be that involved. Just let BK and LJ get on with it and stick Jamie in charge of recruitment.

Flippancy aside, I tend to agree. It's not working out on the pitch for those clubs. Not sure about Aberdeen's finances but as we know DUFC's are a mess (unless they've sorted themselves out in the last 12-18 months).
Edit. I see they did manage to reduce the wages to turnover ratio from 132% to 71%.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I feared this would happen , Hibs, Aberdeen , Dundee utd all have 2 things in common American owners and shambolic teams . Hopefully there is someone out there that can buy hibs. ANDY MURRAY you know you want to .

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There is - us. As a collective, we should be striving for a fan ownership model at this stage. It’ll take some amount of fundraising and donations from the likes of Andy as well as convincing those not convinced on fan ownership, but it should definitely be something we aim for.


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[Billy Whizz]

I feared this would happen , Hibs, Aberdeen , Dundee utd all have 2 things in common American owners and shambolic teams . Hopefully there is someone out there that can buy hibs. ANDY MURRAY you know you want to .

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Cormack at Aberdeen was born in the city but left quite young I believe
The thing about all 3 is how frequently they change managers

Also Andy is trying to get one of his players out of Hibs just now

[Scottie]

Serious question when was the last time Andy Murray was through the doors at ER ? :dunno:

[S4uzee]

And he doesn't need to be that involved. Just let BK and LJ get on with it and stick Jamie in charge of recruitment.

I’d let BK do nothing. Quicker he is out the better

[LunasBoots]

Our owners not even around anyway, just been left to Ian and Ben, I see another of comparisons with Dundee if I'm honest and have for a while

[Lago]

Serious question when was the last time Andy Murray was through the doors at ER ? :dunno:
Long time ago and don't think for a minute through Murray boys would put serious money into any football club
As to American owners even down south they are pulling out, Liverpool, Manchester United etc

[Colr]

There is - us. As a collective, we should be striving for a fan ownership model at this stage. It’ll take some amount of fundraising and donations from the likes of Andy as well as convincing those not convinced on fan ownership, but it should definitely be something we aim for.


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Agree with fan ownership.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Agree with fan ownership.

Glad to hear that mate. Reading through the threads where this has been brought up there’s a significant portion of posters (I understand that’s not necessarily indicative of the wider support) who see it as a nice idea but ultimately aren’t 100% sold on it. That’ll be the first challenge if any group does arise to try and take this forward, or of course if HSL becomes the vehicle for fan ownership it’ll take convincing these fans/posters/HSL members to help out financially.


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[cameronw-hfc]

Cormack at Aberdeen was born in the city but left quite young I believe
The thing about all 3 is how frequently they change managers

Also Andy is trying to get one of his players out of Hibs just now


Andy isn't directly Portos agent. He owns an agency firm that represents Porto, but I don't think he's got much to do with actually being his agent.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Long time ago and don't think for a minute through Murray boys would put serious money into any football club
As to American owners even down south they are pulling out, Liverpool, Manchester United etc

They’re also buying in, Chelsea for example


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[lyonhibs]

Andy isn't directly Portos agent. He owns an agency firm that represents Porto, but I don't think he's got much to do with actually being his agent.

Yeah I think father of 4 and still top level tennis player with metal hip Andy Murray probably has enough on his plate without trying to engineer a move for Porteous to Blackburn Rovers or wherever 🤣

[Northernhibee]

They don't get it. I don't think they've gotten it since day one. I don't think they'll ever get it.

Being a Hibs fan isn't about fancy screens or bronze, silver, and gold sections. It's not about having fancier hospitality, or a club that splashes big cash on young players and expects to see a big return. It's about having a team on the pitch that we can believe in and be proud of, irrelevant of all the decorations and extras around the whole match day.

It never has been. It never will be. Every day that they sink their claws into the club further, another little bit of Hibs is chipped away.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

They don't get it. I don't think they've gotten it since day one. I don't think they'll ever get it.

Being a Hibs fan isn't about fancy screens or bronze, silver, and gold sections. It's not about having fancier hospitality, or a club that splashes big cash on young players and expects to see a big return. It's about having a team on the pitch that we can believe in and be proud of, irrelevant of all the decorations and extras around the whole match day.

It never has been. It never will be. Every day that they sink their claws into the club further, another little bit of Hibs is chipped away.

Bronze, silver and gold sections shouldn’t exist in any football stadium full stop. The peoples game? Not anymore


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[CB Hibs 68]

I don’t think Americans have a clue about Football in the UK never mind Scotland.It’s a totally different Sporting culture in the USA when a franchise can move cities and you have a support base instantly ready to welcome you with open hands.Asl long as Ron and son of Ron are around we are royally screwed .How we extract ourself from this mess god knows and it worries me big time

[cabbageandribs1875]

Bronze, silver and gold sections shouldn’t exist in any football stadium full stop. The peoples game? Not anymore


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my pet dislike of what the Godonian man has done at ER :agree:i've probably mentioned that a few times:cb administered not too long after his visit to Tynecastle for a chat with the Budge woman

just an excuse to charge more, no one bothered before

[cameronw-hfc]

Yeah I think father of 4 and still top level tennis player with metal hip Andy Murray probably has enough on his plate without trying to engineer a move for Porteous to Blackburn Rovers or wherever 🤣

Think folk genuinely believe andy is directly his agent, seen a few folk mention it😂

[Gatecrasher]

Mind they thought they were too good for Scotland and wanted to form a European league? :hilarious

[Jones28]

Bronze, silver and gold sections shouldn’t exist in any football stadium full stop. The peoples game? Not anymore


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I do hate that.

[Rumble de Thump]

Aberdeen have got a Scottish owner and Hibs have got a Peruvian owner. There's a weird anti-American sentiment that's crept into Scottish football, which seems to have been instigated and perpetuated by the Scottish football media. It makes even less sense when they're usually talking about people who aren't American.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Aberdeen have got a Scottish owner and Hibs have got a Peruvian owner. There's a weird anti-American sentiment that's crept into Scottish football, which seems to have been instigated and perpetuated by the Scottish football media. It makes even less sense when they're usually talking about people who aren't American.

Scottish institutions should be owned by Scots, Americans don’t understand our football tradition (didn’t RG want to create a Scottish Super League of sorts and stop relegation?). It’s nothing against the people of the USA, I love the country and I’ve lived there for a time, but they don’t get it.


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[CB Hibs 68]

Aberdeen have got a Scottish owner and Hibs have got a Peruvian owner. There's a weird anti-American sentiment that's crept into Scottish football, which seems to have been instigated and perpetuated by the Scottish football media. It makes even less sense when they're usually talking about people who aren't American.

Come on they both have American passports.What they both have in common apart from being USA citizens is that the fans of the teams they own are seriously passed off .Not an anti American sentiment just a simple fact

[Alex Trager]

my pet dislike of what the Godonian man has done at ER :agree:i've probably mentioned that a few times:cb administered not too long after his visit to Tynecastle for a chat with the Budge woman

just an excuse to charge more, no one bothered before

Pretty sure Hearts have done it for years. Could be wrong but also think the OF do it

[Smartie]

I don’t care where our owner is from but he can start running his football club like someone who knows how to run a football club any time he likes.

The gold / silver / bronze stuff isn’t a problem to anyone if the football is good enough. It becomes a big problem when it isn’t.

[IberianHibernian]

They don't get it. I don't think they've gotten it since day one. I don't think they'll ever get it.

Being a Hibs fan isn't about fancy screens or bronze, silver, and gold sections. It's not about having fancier hospitality, or a club that splashes big cash on young players and expects to see a big return. It's about having a team on the pitch that we can believe in and be proud of, irrelevant of all the decorations and extras around the whole match day.

It never has been. It never will be. Every day that they sink their claws into the club further, another little bit of Hibs is chipped away.I agree with everything you say here but thought the same when we got shirt advertising ( 45 ? years ago ) and there will be other examples of profit given priority over other considerations . As for hospitality , it`s not my scene but lots of people seem to like it and not just wealthy business people . We all want a team as you say " we can believe in and be proud of " but is that possible without shirt and other sponsorship , hospitality etc ? If problem is nationality of club owners or at least having owners with some emotional attachment to Hibs , it`s going to be very difficult to find someone who cares about Hibs as much as we the fans do and also has money and expertise to run the club well ( whoever is in charge will always be at the mercy of penalty misses , injuries etc etc regarding onfield problems and of course other problems which affect economy of club and generally ) .

[Northernhibee]

I agree with everything you say here but thought the same when we got shirt advertising ( 45 ? years ago ) and there will be other examples of profit given priority over other considerations . As for hospitality , it`s not my scene but lots of people seem to like it and not just wealthy business people . We all want a team as you say " we can believe in and be proud of " but is that possible without shirt and other sponsorship , hospitality etc ? If problem is nationality of club owners or at least having owners with some emotional attachment to Hibs , it`s going to be very difficult to find someone who cares about Hibs as much as we the fans do and also has money and expertise to run the club well ( whoever is in charge will always be at the mercy of penalty misses , injuries etc etc regarding onfield problems and of course other problems which affect economy of club and generally ) .

We need shirt sponsorship and hospitality, but when from the outside in it feels like it takes priority over the team and we sign utter, utter, dross and play terrible football, a disconnect happens.

I'm struggling to think of when I've felt less connected to the club.

[Lago]

I agree with everything you say here but thought the same when we got shirt advertising ( 45 ? years ago ) and there will be other examples of profit given priority over other considerations . As for hospitality , it`s not my scene but lots of people seem to like it and not just wealthy business people . We all want a team as you say " we can believe in and be proud of " but is that possible without shirt and other sponsorship , hospitality etc ? If problem is nationality of club owners or at least having owners with some emotional attachment to Hibs , it`s going to be very difficult to find someone who cares about Hibs as much as we the fans do and also has money and expertise to run the club well ( whoever is in charge will always be at the mercy of penalty misses , injuries etc etc regarding onfield problems and of course other problems which affect economy of club and generally ) .
I'm afraid the days of Tom Hart are long gone.

[leithsansiro]

And he doesn't need to be that involved. Just let BK and LJ get on with it and stick Jamie in charge of recruitment.

Flippancy aside, I tend to agree. It's not working out on the pitch for those clubs. Not sure about Aberdeen's finances but as we know DUFC's are a mess (unless they've sorted themselves out in the last 12-18 months).
Edit. I see they did manage to reduce the wages to turnover ratio from 132% to 71%.


132% wages:turnover? That's insane! How long did they manage to keep that going for?

[leithsansiro]

I don’t think Americans have a clue about Football in the UK never mind Scotland.It’s a totally different Sporting culture in the USA

I think that the whole American model of top level sports where there isn't relegation is an issue in terms of the cultural expectations. If you finish last, it means you get first pick in college drafts in all of the major sports to keep the playing field level, so to speak. Ron Gordon seems to genuinely not have the fear. Yes, we all know that we're not actually that far away from 4th (technically...) but the mindset surely should be on battoning down the hatches and solidifying. Apparently though, it looks almost as if we're trying to tank the season to get first pick in the drafts in the summer....

[MikeyS]

Andy Murray is a Rangers **** and no amount of showing that pic of him and Gareth Evans will change my mind.

Was happily posing with a Rangers top in his hand at Ibrox on the same day we had a game 45 miles along the road he could've been at if he wanted to support his team.

[007]

132% wages:turnover? That's insane! How long did they manage to keep that going for?

Was 120% then 132% then 71%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63743579

[linlithgowhibbie]

Andy Murray is a Rangers **** and no amount of showing that pic of him and Gareth Evans will change my mind.

Was happily posing with a Rangers top in his hand at Ibrox on the same day we had a game 45 miles along the road he could've been at if he wanted to support his team.

Worst post in a long time IMHO

[Victor]

Andy Murray is a Rangers **** and no amount of showing that pic of him and Gareth Evans will change my mind.

Was happily posing with a Rangers top in his hand at Ibrox on the same day we had a game 45 miles along the road he could've been at if he wanted to support his team.

Think that was more to do with the fact that Castore provide kit to him Rangers, Newcastle and a few others.


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[Viva_Palmeiras]

Agree with fan ownership.


m what would that entail?

fans “ponying up”? We’ve been given a number of opps to support/invest in the clubs yet we may way behind Hearts and near-death experiences aside some elements of the support (quite possibly with good intentions I’m sure) seem to find flaws in the likes of volunteer led HSL and fine reasons not to invest.

So what would be the compelling argument that would make people flip?

Im just wondering if we’ve seen peak in our investment in the club - no matter Kicks for kids, Stones, STs, HSL, Lotto… for some reasons folks are retiscent. - so what makes can ownership different?

[Forza Fred]

Ron has tried to bring fresh ideas to Scottish football and Hibs.

Off the park I think he has been successful….business is his game after all.

But I think even he has to admit that he has screwed up right royally on the football side.

I think the situation is still retrievable, but it may well be that he thinks Scottish fitba is ‘too hard’ and decides to go.

He has the power to sell the club, or even close it down….so I don’t think I’d be going out of my way to piss him off too much.

[Clarence]

And he doesn't need to be that involved. Just let BK and LJ get on with it and stick Jamie in charge of recruitment.

Flippancy aside, I tend to agree. It's not working out on the pitch for those clubs. Not sure about Aberdeen's finances but as we know DUFC's are a mess (unless they've sorted themselves out in the last 12-18 months).
Edit. I see they did manage to reduce the wages to turnover ratio from 132% to 71%.

Never mind Jamie, Duncan would do a better job than the joker we have in charge of recruitment now.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Ron has tried to bring fresh ideas to Scottish football and Hibs.

Off the park I think he has been successful….business is his game after all.

But I think even he has to admit that he has screwed up right royally on the football side.

I think the situation is still retrievable, but it may well be that he thinks Scottish fitba is ‘too hard’ and decides to go.

He has the power to sell the club, or even close it down….so I don’t think I’d be going out of my way to piss him off too much.

Maybe running a football club or being a manager isn't as easy as people on the internet think it is?

The Old Firm make it look easy - I wonder why that is? Maybe having 10x the finances of the competition helps?

No other team in Scotland is ever going to challenge them - what Aberdeen and Dundee Utd did in the 80s was incredible - so teams like Hibs just need to roll with it - what's the expectation? Stay in the top league and win a cup every 20 years or so?

It seems like the internet has made people demand things that are just not going to happen - and what difference is finishing 4th or 8th really going to make?

[OldEast]

Maybe running a football club or being a manager isn't as easy as people on the internet think it is?

The Old Firm make it look easy - I wonder why that is? Maybe having 10x the finances of the competition helps?

No other team in Scotland is ever going to challenge them - what Aberdeen and Dundee Utd did in the 80s was incredible - so teams like Hibs just need to roll with it - what's the expectation? Stay in the top league and win a cup every 20 years or so?

It seems like the internet has made people demand things that are just not going to happen - and what difference is finishing 4th or 8th really going to make?

"It seems like the internet has made people demand things that are just not going to happen - and what difference is finishing 4th or 8th really going to make?"

Really? How's about 4th rather than 8th getting European football and a chance to boost the finances?
Or 4th rather than 8th meaning fans will be optimistic and renew season tickets?

[SickBoy32]

Maybe running a football club or being a manager isn't as easy as people on the internet think it is?

The Old Firm make it look easy - I wonder why that is? Maybe having 10x the finances of the competition helps?

No other team in Scotland is ever going to challenge them - what Aberdeen and Dundee Utd did in the 80s was incredible - so teams like Hibs just need to roll with it - what's the expectation? Stay in the top league and win a cup every 20 years or so?

It seems like the internet has made people demand things that are just not going to happen - and what difference is finishing 4th or 8th really going to make?

A truly bizarre post - maybe take up cricket down in Yorkshire bud

[GreenCastle]

Aberdeen have got a Scottish owner and Hibs have got a Peruvian owner. There's a weird anti-American sentiment that's crept into Scottish football, which seems to have been instigated and perpetuated by the Scottish football media. It makes even less sense when they're usually talking about people who aren't American.

Exactly.

Folk now saying Americans don’t understand football.

Absolute nonsense.

Has anyone seen how the MLS league is thriving and mikes ahead of the Scottish Leagues ?

Scottish football needs all the help it can get - just look at some of the run down stadiums and artificial “pitches”.

The issue at Hibs is the CEO and manager - plus the awful recruitment of manager and players. Until that is changed we will stay a mess.

[Allant1981]

If we were playing well it would not be an issue for anyone(mostly anyone) that we have foreign owners, but as we are garbage on the park just now it's just another thing to batter the club/owners about.

[sambajustice]

Maybe running a football club or being a manager isn't as easy as people on the internet think it is?

The Old Firm make it look easy - I wonder why that is? Maybe having 10x the finances of the competition helps?

No other team in Scotland is ever going to challenge them - what Aberdeen and Dundee Utd did in the 80s was incredible - so teams like Hibs just need to roll with it - what's the expectation? Stay in the top league and win a cup every 20 years or so?

It seems like the internet has made people demand things that are just not going to happen - and what difference is finishing 4th or 8th really going to make?

You're spot on and once you make peace with this, the pumpings off hearts don't really matter because you know they're never going to be able to achieve anything anyway either.

Scottish football is truly rank and will never change.

[Unseen work]

Ron has tried to bring fresh ideas to Scottish football and Hibs.

Off the park I think he has been successful….business is his game after all.

But I think even he has to admit that he has screwed up right royally on the football side.

I think the situation is still retrievable, but it may well be that he thinks Scottish fitba is ‘too hard’ and decides to go.

He has the power to sell the club, or even close it down….so I don’t think I’d be going out of my way to piss him off too much.

This is similar to where I’m at.

The club is (apparently) doing very well off the field with more income etc than before through partners and the commercial side

Getting a DoF in could be a real game changer.

For as bad as it feels right now, a couple of shrewd signings could see us really kick on and get Europe this season

[allyh1bs]

I feared this would happen , Hibs, Aberdeen , Dundee utd all have 2 things in common American owners and shambolic teams . Hopefully there is someone out there that can buy hibs. ANDY MURRAY you know you want to .

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Only thing wrong with this thread is that Ron Gordon is Peruvian, which kind of invalidates the whole discussion. If you think that Peruvian = American, then perhaps you just meant “foreign”.


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[Greenio]

There's some absolute nonsense in this thread.


"It's not about fancy screens and hospitality. It's about a good team on the pitch"

You know how you get a good team on the pitch? Money! You know how you make money? Sell stuff like hospitality packages !

I get folk are annoyed but some folk need to get back in touch with reality

[tonyrougier123]

I do slightly feel as a fan base we need to find a resilience again.and come together to rise above the current predicament and really find the 1875 boys smart and measured approach to getting behind what’s on the field.
Banners,decent songs for the whole fan base,old songs for the older supporters being sung.
A lot to ponder amongst ourselves despite the real obvious issues behind the scenes at the club.

[overdrive]

Only thing wrong with this thread is that Ron Gordon is Peruvian, which kind of invalidates the whole discussion. If you think that Peruvian = American, then perhaps you just meant “foreign”.


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I think he's an American citizen. One of the reports on his background when he bought us said he emigrated to the US when he was 15. Even if he isn't a citizen, he is most definitely culturally American and has lived most his life in the US. Likewise Cormack at Aberdeen.

[Gatecrasher]

There's some absolute nonsense in this thread.


"It's not about fancy screens and hospitality. It's about a good team on the pitch"

You know how you get a good team on the pitch? Money! You know how you make money? Sell stuff like hospitality packages !

I get folk are annoyed but some folk need to get back in touch with reality

Money? Money can help but I bet more money has been wasted on this year's teams than many of the teams in the league have spent. If it were that easy football would be the most predictable and boring sport in the world.

I think a good footballing set up, culture, coaching and management are worth well more than spending hundreds of thousands on a bunch of no hopers like we have the last few transfer windows. You just need to look at teams like Motherwell, St Mirren or Livingston who regularly out perform us.

[ScottB]

As has been said before, rich, successful people can be prone to thinking that they can carry that success into other fields.

Ron is not an idiot and has had a successful business career, he turned up here confident he could translate that success into owning Hibs. He spoke about Scottish football needing shaken up, we didn’t do things right etc etc.

Americans (and those who lived there along time) may be particularly prone to that sort of brash thinking, who knows.

He does seem to have improved the sponsorship / hospitality side of things that had been struggling, so fair play. As you’d expect with his background, really.

I think we can all agree he’s not done a great job on the football side.

The question now is whether he accepts that and changes direction, or doubles down on thinking he’s ‘right’ and it’ll come good.

Only time will tell.

[Greenworld]

Only thing wrong with this thread is that Ron Gordon is Peruvian, which kind of invalidates the whole discussion. If you think that Peruvian = American, then perhaps you just meant “foreign”.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo I meant American he lives works and made his money in America. He has the American ethos to business which can be quite brutal . I'm sure he is also a American citizen [emoji849]

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[Iain G]

No I meant American he lives works and made his money in America. He has the American ethos to business which can be quite brutal . I'm sure he is also a American citizen [emoji849]

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He should change his name to Peru Leith to make a better connection with the fans 😁

[j'adorehibs]

Glad to hear that mate. Reading through the threads where this has been brought up there’s a significant portion of posters (I understand that’s not necessarily indicative of the wider support) who see it as a nice idea but ultimately aren’t 100% sold on it. That’ll be the first challenge if any group does arise to try and take this forward, or of course if HSL becomes the vehicle for fan ownership it’ll take convincing these fans/posters/HSL members to help out financially.


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Who is this group people talk of, it's just talk. HSL never convinced or were trusted by enough people to join up so cant see it being them.

Fan ownership just seems to be talk on a forum.

[Greenio]

Money? Money can help but I bet more money has been wasted on this year's teams than many of the teams in the league have spent. If it were that easy football would be the most predictable and boring sport in the world.

I think a good footballing set up, culture, coaching and management are worth well more than spending hundreds of thousands on a bunch of no hopers like we have the last few transfer windows. You just need to look at teams like Motherwell, St Mirren or Livingston who regularly out perform us.

Money makes the world go round.... football clubs are no different. Get the coin, spend it wisely....that's the secret to success