Time for the board to go

[AugustaHibs]

The bojang situation is the final nail in the coffin.

Being run by a bunch of selfish people who couldn’t give two ****s about any of the values of this club.

Family club my arse.

Time to go.

[Hibees1973]

The bojang situation is the final nail in the coffin.

Being run by a bunch of selfish people who couldn’t give two ****s about any of the values of this club.

Family club my arse.

Time to go.

Time will tell regarding Bojang's allegations.

If any of it is true there will be serious implications for the Gordon's & Kensall.

[SteveHFC]

The bojang situation is the final nail in the coffin.

Being run by a bunch of selfish people who couldn’t give two ****s about any of the values of this club.

Family club my arse.

Time to go.

Agreed.

Get them out.

[Mikey_1875]

Time will tell regarding Bojang's allegations.

If any of it is true there will be serious implications for the Gordon's & Kensall.

I agree, it’s important to wait for the outcome of any investigation into it. If it is true then we have much bigger issues than just being a crap football team though.

[cameronw-hfc]

I've stuck up for them countless times on here, as recently as about 20 minutes before I posted the bojang stuff on the same thread I was defending them. Screw them. Protest it, get then out however we can. I want my club back.

[oneone73]

When you think of our club's origins, this kind of thing makes you want to weep.

[Paloschi]

I've stuck up for them countless times on here, as recently as about 20 minutes before I posted the bojang stuff on the same thread I was defending them. Screw them. Protest it, get then out however we can. I want my club back.

Don’t know if I trust you…

[O'Rourke3]

Time for them to go to bed?

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[Sir David Gray]

I want change within the boardroom anyway, but if any of the allegations from Bojang are even remotely true then there should be protests taking place during each home game until they are removed.

[Jamesie]

We have a post on what at least for me was a hitherto unknown facebook page, purporting to be based on comments from the player, and we have no response from the club (which if well advised will be checking the veracity of the quotes before making any public comment). On that basis, at this point in time I see no basis to conclude that Hibs have done anything wrong here: innocent until proven guilty.

[Glory Lurker]

We have a post on what at least for me was a hitherto unknown facebook page, purporting to be based on comments from the player, and we have no response from the club (which if well advised will be checking the veracity of the quotes before making any public comment). On that basis, at this point in time I see no basis to conclude that Hibs have done anything wrong here: innocent until proven guilty.

Well said.

[SMAXXA]

Calm the F down and let the Bojang allegations play out then folk can debate the consequences. Club being hung drawn and quartered because of an allegation

[bigwheel]

Calm the F down and let the Bojang allegations play out then folk can debate the consequences. Club being hung drawn and quartered because of an allegation

I think some people are so fed up they just assume the worst of the club. Accepting any criticism that is around. Two sides to every story. As you say, let’s understand the full facts . The accommodation (for example ) is clearly nowhere near as bad as suggested.


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[Callum_62]

His flat for one looks absoluteky adequate and oddly enough not remotely like a prison cell

Still, it's January 6th so let's storm the capitol

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[et_hibby]

His flat for one looks absoluteky adequate and oddly enough not remotely like a prison cell

Still, it's January 6th so let's storm the capitol

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[B.H.F.C]

I think some people are so fed up they just assume the worst of the club. Accepting any criticism that is around. Two sides to every story. As you say, let’s understand the full facts . The accommodation (for example ) is clearly nowhere near as bad as suggested.


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I’m critical of the club for a lot, and pretty pissed off with them, at the moment.

But as soon as I read the post I had my doubts about parts of it. It doesn’t mean it’s totally untrue but, also, just because he’s felt ****, it doesn’t necessarily mean we’ve done anything wrong.

He clearly wasn’t living in prison like conditions for starters and, if we’ve done anything wrong in terms of it paying him etc, that’ll be proven in the course of time. Don’t quite get the reaction to what is just an allegation at this point.

[bigwheel]

I’m critical of the club for a lot, and pretty pissed off with them, at the moment.

But as soon as I read the post I had my doubts about parts of it. It doesn’t mean it’s totally untrue but, also, just because he’s felt ****, it doesn’t necessarily mean we’ve done anything wrong.

He clearly wasn’t living in prison like conditions for starters and, if we’ve done anything wrong in terms of it paying him etc, that’ll be proven in the course of time. Don’t quite get the reaction to what is just an allegation at this point.

That’s where I am…In between the lines, I’m guessing early on we realised he was not going to cut it. Likely made it very clear to him. And , ruthless perhaps, haven’t spent any time making him feel welcome.

Not wonderful, but it’s a brutal industry and perhaps he has just felt the impact of arriving at a club that was above his level and has felt ostracised and unsupported as a result.


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[B.H.F.C]

That’s where I am…In between the lines, I’m guessing early on we realised he was not going to cut it. Likely made it very clear to him. And , ruthless perhaps, haven’t spent any time making him feel welcome.

Not wonderful, but it’s a brutal industry and perhaps he has just felt the impact of arriving at a club that was above his level and has felt ostracised and unsupported as a result.


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I can see why he might have been feeling a bit miserable because if I went away, on my own, to stay in a wee village in Gambia for six months I don’t think I’d be very happy either. Especially if the job I went to do probed to be above me.

One thing for sure, we’re going to get a lot of negative attention because of this (even without any allegations been proven).

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

When you think of our club's origins, this kind of thing makes you want to weep.

100%, if there’s a shred of truth to this I’ll not be back until the board are gone. Would turn my stomach.


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[bigwheel]

I can see why he might have been feeling a bit miserable because if I went away, on my own, to stay in a wee village in Gambia for six months I don’t think I’d be very happy either. Especially if the job I went to do probed to be above me.

One thing for sure, we’re going to get a lot of negative attention because of this (even without any allegations been proven).

Sure…I could understand his unhappiness. It’s possibly a pretty sorry story and there may be elements we could have handled much better. a failed loan move abroad, where you get almost no first team action, is not going to be a positive experience.


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[et_hibby]

That’s where I am…In between the lines, I’m guessing early on we realised he was not going to cut it. Likely made it very clear to him. And , ruthless perhaps, haven’t spent any time making him feel welcome.

Not wonderful, but it’s a brutal industry and perhaps he has just felt the impact of arriving at a club that was above his level and has felt ostracised and unsupported as a result.


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[RIP]

Can someone please send me a link to the result of the independent PFA Scotland investigation into these claims?

I'm a long-time activist against racism and discrimination and am keen to get my facts straight before going in all guns blazing!

[FitbaFolkKen]

https://fb.watch/hUsaadS4yD/

Video of the flat.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230107/a50648adafd3bf0255cf7a3aade28fab.png

There was a post earlier on the page saying he wasn’t happy with how it had gone and it wasn’t what he expected but that was all. It’s now gone.


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[SHODAN]

Between this and that non playing staff are being hired on paltry wages, it really feels like we are being run as a corporation and not a football club.

[Frazerbob]

Between this and that non playing staff are being hired on paltry wages, it really feels like we are being run as a corporation and not a football club.

What are the wages for the non playing staff?

[One Day Soon]

Hmm. This one could go either way and I’ll wait for some facts I think. However it does underline the importance of being all over communications and reputation in this digital age. If the club is at fault it deserves a kicking. If it’s not then it needs to be on the front foot confronting all this. And it needs to up its communications game generally.

[LunasBoots]

Time for some answers, time for the people at the club to speak up and tell us what's going on, can't remember Ron being this quiet since being here.

[eastmainsmsh]

can see people not renewing next season shambles

[Paulie Walnuts]

What are the wages for the non playing staff?

They’ve advertise for qualified electricians and I’m sure they were trying to get them for around 30% less than the average electricians wage

[Pretty Boy]

I was reading something about Efe Ambrose at Celtic the other day.

Brendan Rodgers made it clear to him he wasn't in his long term plans and that he wouldn't be playing or even making squads. Efe was still full of praise for Rodgers. He was included in team meetings, trained with the 1st team squad, was allowed to turn down loan moves away until he found a club he liked (Hibs as it goes) etc etc. There was a similar situation at Hibs with the guy Bigirimana we signed from Motherwell. Signed when we had no manager, played 30 minutes then Heckingbottom arrived and didn't fancy him. The player still said he rated PH as the best coach he had.

There's obviously only one side of the story known this far and that's Bojang. However I don't think 'he wasn't very good and unlikely to play' is any excuse if he has felt unwelcome, marginalised or alienated. One of the retorts to criticism of players used most often is that these guys are still human beings. The same goes for Bojang, if he's felt isolated and has been made to move flat against his will then it probably has left him feeling pretty terrible and it doesn't look great from Hibs.

As an aside that flat may not look like a prison cell but it's not great. Looks like the kind of ****hole I stayed in as a student.

[MWHIBBIES]

They’ve advertise for qualified electricians and I’m sure they were trying to get them for around 30% less than the average electricians wage

That job listing was embarrassing. Wasn't just qualified, it was approved which is a level up from being qualified.

I said it at the time and had at least a dozen folk calling me a troll and saying it would be an excellent job for someone just out their time etc, despite me pointing out that wasn't what Hibs were looking for.

[Jones28]

Need to wait and see what- if anything - the club come out with before the rioting starts. It needs to be a full explanation of the facts, and it needs to be a direct response to the allegations rather than woolly nonsense.

There’s a strong chance the player might be at it, but if any of it is true then it’s a really sorry time to be a Hibs fans.

FWIW I do feel sorry for Bojang in a sense that it’s unlucky it didn’t work out and he has had a **** experience with us, but this is the first time I can remember a player ever coming out with these kinds of allegations.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That job listing was embarrassing. Wasn't just qualified, it was approved which is a level up from being qualified.

I said it at the time and had at least a dozen folk calling me a troll and saying it would be an excellent job for someone just out their time etc, despite me pointing out that wasn't what Hibs were looking for.

Didn’t realise that, even worse then.

Although if they managed to fill the post with a candidate who was also approved then I suppose they can point to it being a good decision. No idea if they ever filled it though.

[Unseen work]

I’m struggling with alot of what has been said, mainly because I just don’t/can’t believe we’re being run by crooks.

1. Not paying his wage and strange tax

There’s no way we’re allowing that to happen and I imagine he maybe doesn’t understand the UK tax and how it works, his expected income to what he actually gets is probably different if that is the case. We will have a finance department who irrespective of how poor a player is would not break the law or contract. Could also be stuff to do with internal fines by the club such as turning up late.

2. Living conditions & car

Does he hold a sufficient licence to drive in the UK and if not is that perhaps the reason he was provided with a flat that’s only a 15 minute walk to the training ground? Each player will receive a different salary and different benefits. Bojang will be on a relatively low salary and likely have been treated as a development player, how many other players on his salary etc will get a 2 bed flat paid for? To say it’s a jail cell is ridiculous and to be honest a bit insulting, how many people have had to save up years for a deposit and then pay a mortgage each month to live in a place like that?

His flat was decorated and had sofa’s, beds etc. He could have bought his own stuff if he so desired and you just have to look at youth players digs to see it’s pretty standard, they’re not playing in the premier league for man United in a fully kitted out apartment.

We have give every single player a fully kitted out apartment in the centre of Edinburgh, that would cost a fortune and I imagine are given to those we value slightly higher.

3. Treatment

Johnson shouted at him? As I’m sure he does every player, and I’m sure everyone that has played football at any level has experienced. Obviously there is a line and we don’t know what stage it got to but a manager letting a player know his thoughts and that he won’t be part of his plans isn’t the worst, isn’t the first and won’t be the last. Unfortunately it’s a cut throat business.

4. Forced to terminated loan/give back apartment

It’s an agreement in place in his loan through a break clause, of course he would then have to give back the ‘jail cell’ he’s living in.

Clearly I don’t know all the exact details which I’m sure no one does but I just can’t see it being anywhere near like what he’s said. What I do think is he’s maybe been a bit naive or has been ‘sold the dream’s Told he’s moving to Edinburgh to this fantastic big club where his accommodation will be paid for, in reality maybe not as luxurious as he thought.

The bit about walking to training, that’s as much on the players Imo if he did seek out a lift from them or asked for help. But again I really struggle to believe guys like Gray, McGregor, Stevenson, Newell, Hanlon and Porteous would stand back and let this guy struggle, say what you want about them as players but they’re all good lads.

[MWHIBBIES]

Didn’t realise that, even worse then.

Although if they managed to fill the post with a candidate who was also approved then I suppose they can point to it being a good decision. No idea if they ever filled it though.

I'd be absolutely stunned if they filled it with the qualifications they required. No van on offer,ipaf and pasma required too iirc (lifter and scaffold tickets). It was a joke. It really did not reflect well on the club.

I can't help but think they're doing similar on the playing side and that's why we're getting a poor standard in.

[green day]

I can't help but think they're doing similar on the playing side and that's why we're getting a poor standard in.

We are paying loads of money to some poor players, its nothing to do with the salaries they are being paid.

[Allant1981]

Another poster had mentioned he was getting a lift to East mains before they moved him so he lossibly doesnt drive or have a licence that lets him drive here, so no issue with him being moved closer to the training ground, the flat apart from needing a tv etc is absolutely fine, Jesus when I was his age I was staying in a 1 bed flat a lot smaller than that. And there's not a chance they dropped his wages and started taking more money off him, not having that for a second. Sounds like he is mighty p****d off for getting let go

[HH81]

Another poster had mentioned he was getting a lift to East mains before they moved him so he lossibly doesnt drive or have a licence that lets him drive here, so no issue with him being moved closer to the training ground, the flat apart from needing a tv etc is absolutely fine, Jesus when I was his age I was staying in a 1 bed flat a lot smaller than that. And there's not a chance they dropped his wages and started taking more money off him, not having that for a second. Sounds like he is mighty p****d off for getting let go

Also the fact that sources are saying he was moved due to causing issues (damage) at the place he lived at first, if so a lot of this problem is of his own making.

I'm not defending anyone but he seems to have released a statement and until both sides are heard its all guess work.

[Callum_62]

Also the fact that sources are saying he was moved due to causing issues (damage) at the place he lived at first, if so a lot of this problem is of his own making.

I'm not defending anyone but he seems to have released a statement and until both sides are heard its all guess work.To be fair to Bojang he doenst seem to have officially released anything



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[MWHIBBIES]

We are paying loads of money to some poor players, its nothing to do with the salaries they are being paid.

I don't know that for a fact, though. I see poor wages offered for important roles off the park and **** performances on it.

[Allant1981]

I don't know that for a fact, though. I see poor wages offered for important roles off the park and **** performances on it.

If the wages are that poor then folk won't apply, I'm guessing though as they haven't advertised again for certain roles(like your example) that they hired someone who was happy with the wage

[HH81]

To be fair to Bojang he doenst seem to have officially released anything



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Thought he shared it on his social media so must have had a part in it?

[Bridge hibs]

Another poster had mentioned he was getting a lift to East mains before they moved him so he lossibly doesnt drive or have a licence that lets him drive here, so no issue with him being moved closer to the training ground, the flat apart from needing a tv etc is absolutely fine, Jesus when I was his age I was staying in a 1 bed flat a lot smaller than that. And there's not a chance they dropped his wages and started taking more money off him, not having that for a second. Sounds like he is mighty p****d off for getting let goYep, maybe he should take a wee trip around the city and visit some homes that are riddled with dampness and so cold and rotten inside that even the mice have packed their bags and moved out

Cant wait for hibs angle on this

[RIP]

can see people not renewing next season shambles

Good morning buddy.

Once you've recovered from your late night, fancy explaining why as season ticket holders, people should consider not renewing?

Asking for a friend!

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[MWHIBBIES]

If the wages are that poor then folk won't apply, I'm guessing though as they haven't advertised again for certain roles(like your example) that they hired someone who was happy with the wage

That's not great logic at all mate. There is a Scottish joint industry board minimum rate for electricians and approved electricians. Hibs were well below it. It's not a subjective thing, it was a poor wage for what they wanted.

It's surely not just about filling a position? I think if we offered 500 quid a week at right back we'd still get players wanting it. They'd probably be a poor standard, though. Not all electricians are the same quality. If I needed one to maintain a building that housed 20k people, I'd be paying them well.

[Bridge hibs]

Good morning buddy.

Once you've recovered from your late night, fancy explaining why as season ticket holders, people should consider not renewing?

Asking for a friend!Perhaps the word shambles sums it up. You cant deny the club on the playing/recruitment side has been shambolic. Right at this moment Ive never felt so detached from the club just now and its gonna take a hell of a lot of convincing to get me to part with my hard earned cash next season and there will be many more thinking the same

Blind loyalty may sway me but the way Im feeling just now its gonna have to be some ****ing sway

[jeffers]

Was told his licence doesn’t allow him to drive in the UK and that his original accommodation was in a club flat near the ground. Was then moved to the flat in Ormiston. While some will argue that being nearer to the training ground was beneficial he doesn’t train all day, so was left isolated the rest of the time. Don’t believe Johnson’s treatment of him was great either. They obviously didn’t want him and at best the club haven’t really treated a young man miles away from home particularly well.


I’m sure the club will have their own version of events too however.

[theonlywayisup]

I’m struggling with alot of what has been said, mainly because I just don’t/can’t believe we’re being run by crooks.

1. Not paying his wage and strange tax

There’s no way we’re allowing that to happen and I imagine he maybe doesn’t understand the UK tax and how it works, his expected income to what he actually gets is probably different if that is the case. We will have a finance department who irrespective of how poor a player is would not break the law or contract. Could also be stuff to do with internal fines by the club such as turning up late.

2. Living conditions & car

Does he hold a sufficient licence to drive in the UK and if not is that perhaps the reason he was provided with a flat that’s only a 15 minute walk to the training ground? Each player will receive a different salary and different benefits. Bojang will be on a relatively low salary and likely have been treated as a development player, how many other players on his salary etc will get a 2 bed flat paid for? To say it’s a jail cell is ridiculous and to be honest a bit insulting, how many people have had to save up years for a deposit and then pay a mortgage each month to live in a place like that?

His flat was decorated and had sofa’s, beds etc. He could have bought his own stuff if he so desired and you just have to look at youth players digs to see it’s pretty standard, they’re not playing in the premier league for man United in a fully kitted out apartment.

We have give every single player a fully kitted out apartment in the centre of Edinburgh, that would cost a fortune and I imagine are given to those we value slightly higher.

3. Treatment

Johnson shouted at him? As I’m sure he does every player, and I’m sure everyone that has played football at any level has experienced. Obviously there is a line and we don’t know what stage it got to but a manager letting a player know his thoughts and that he won’t be part of his plans isn’t the worst, isn’t the first and won’t be the last. Unfortunately it’s a cut throat business.

4. Forced to terminated loan/give back apartment

It’s an agreement in place in his loan through a break clause, of course he would then have to give back the ‘jail cell’ he’s living in.

Clearly I don’t know all the exact details which I’m sure no one does but I just can’t see it being anywhere near like what he’s said. What I do think is he’s maybe been a bit naive or has been ‘sold the dream’s Told he’s moving to Edinburgh to this fantastic big club where his accommodation will be paid for, in reality maybe not as luxurious as he thought.

The bit about walking to training, that’s as much on the players Imo if he did seek out a lift from them or asked for help. But again I really struggle to believe guys like Gray, McGregor, Stevenson, Newell, Hanlon and Porteous would stand back and let this guy struggle, say what you want about them as players but they’re all good lads.

Good post!

It's clear to many that we're a shambles at moment. However, some posters can't wait for an opportunity to criticise all that we do.

I'd love the Gordon's to get the hell out of our club, but not believing all that has been written by an unhappy former employee, who clearly wasn't good enough to play for Hibernian FC.

[Baader]

Bit sceptical. We won't be fiddling the tax man. The posts are all down now so something has happened. Bojang calling out his agent as well seems odd.

[Allant1981]

Was told his licence doesn’t allow him to drive in the UK and that his original accommodation was in a club flat near the ground. Was then moved to the flat in Ormiston. While some will argue that being nearer to the training ground was beneficial he doesn’t train all day, so was left isolated the rest of the time. Don’t believe Johnson’s treatment of him was great either. They obviously didn’t want him and at best the club haven’t really treated a young man miles away from home particularly well.


I’m sure the club will have their own version of events too however.

Isolated!! Are there no buses he could get the same as other non driving people? Was that his main gripe, that he wasn't in a nice wee flat in Edinburgh? If the bullying claims are true then hopefully people are dealt with it but the rest just sounds like nonsense and a p****d off player

[Trinity Hibee]

Good riddance. Got paid too much.

[Pretty Boy]

That's not great logic at all mate. There is a Scottish joint industry board minimum rate for electricians and approved electricians. Hibs were well below it. It's not a subjective thing, it was a poor wage for what they wanted.

It's surely not just about filling a position? I think if we offered 500 quid a week at right back we'd still get players wanting it. They'd probably be a poor standard, though. Not all electricians are the same quality. If I needed one to maintain a building that housed 20k people, I'd be paying them well.

There was a job came up at Hibs a while back that I considered applying for. It's probably a grade or 2 above my current position and a different industry but loads of the skills were transferable and I'm at a point where my experience and performance probably means I am ready for a promoted position.

I downloaded the job spec and application pack and was more than a bit surprised to see the offered salary was considerably lower than what I am currently earning in a more junior role. I'll be honest and say I am paid well for the job I do. My employer wants to keep me so he offers a salary, flexibility and a level of autonomy I know I wouldn't get elsewhere. Saying all that though I would still expect a promoted post to match my current salary as a minimum.

Obviously considering all the above I didn't apply. I do know of the person who got the job through my line of work and it's like signing a striker from League One when you needed one with Premiership experience. If they were the best of the people who applied then I'm going to state the calibre of applicant couldn't have been great.

[Alfred E Newman]

Good post!

It's clear to many that we're a shambles at moment. However, some posters can't wait for an opportunity to criticise all that we do.

I'd love the Gordon's to get the hell out of our club, but not believing all that has been written by an unhappy former employee, who clearly wasn't good enough to play for Hibernian FC.

Totally agree.

[Bridge hibs]

Good riddance. Got paid too much.

For those of us not privy to the internal wage structure at hibs, how much was he being paid ?

[Trinity Hibee]

For those of us not privy to the internal wage structure at hibs, how much was he being paid ?

Presuming it was at least £1 it was too much

[Bridge hibs]

Presuming it was at least £1 it was too muchAw so you dont know then, cool stuff

[Trinity Hibee]

Aw so you dont know then, cool stuff

No I don’t know but as I said a waste of money whatever it was

[Forza Fred]

Could be proven to have substance later I guess, but to me classic sour grapes and a mixture of anger and disappointment.

We’ve all met people who got the sack and many claim it wasn’t their fault, the boss hated me from day 1 etc, etc.

It WOULD be hard coming from a different/culture and living alone….I get that….but it’s something that you have to put up with overcome if you want to play in Europe.

[jeffers]

Isolated!! Are there no buses he could get the same as other non driving people? Was that his main gripe, that he wasn't in a nice wee flat in Edinburgh? If the bullying claims are true then hopefully people are dealt with it but the rest just sounds like nonsense and a p****d off player

Guess we’ll have to wait and see what more comes out.

[JimBHibees]

We have a post on what at least for me was a hitherto unknown facebook page, purporting to be based on comments from the player, and we have no response from the club (which if well advised will be checking the veracity of the quotes before making any public comment). On that basis, at this point in time I see no basis to conclude that Hibs have done anything wrong here: innocent until proven guilty.

Absolutely

[Paulie Walnuts]

Good morning buddy.

Once you've recovered from your late night, fancy explaining why as season ticket holders, people should consider not renewing?

Asking for a friend!

Did anyone say anyone should consider not renewing?

Or is this you continuing your bizarre “folk are trying to convince me not to renew my season ticket” patter?

[Unseen work]

Was told his licence doesn’t allow him to drive in the UK and that his original accommodation was in a club flat near the ground. Was then moved to the flat in Ormiston. While some will argue that being nearer to the training ground was beneficial he doesn’t train all day, so was left isolated the rest of the time. Don’t believe Johnson’s treatment of him was great either. They obviously didn’t want him and at best the club haven’t really treated a young man miles away from home particularly well.


I’m sure the club will have their own version of events too however.

I’m sure it’s better from a Hibs point of view having him closer to HTC than the city centre for him to act as a tourist, he’s here to play football at the end of the day.

Isolated is extreme, he’s in training every day and I’m sure the players go out for coffee etc after training and could easily have went into town himself with a taxi or whatever, he’s in Ormiston not Timbuktu

[MWHIBBIES]

There was a job came up at Hibs a while back that I considered applying for. It's probably a grade or 2 above my current position and a different industry but loads of the skills were transferable and I'm at a point where my experience and performance probably means I am ready for a promoted position.

I downloaded the job spec and application pack and was more than a bit surprised to see the offered salary was considerably lower than what I am currently earning in a more junior role. I'll be honest and say I am paid well for the job I do. My employer wants to keep me so he offers a salary, flexibility and a level of autonomy I know I wouldn't get elsewhere. Saying all that though I would still expect a promoted post to match my current salary as a minimum.

Obviously considering all the above I didn't apply. I do know of the person who got the job through my line of work and it's like signing a striker from League One when you needed one with Premiership experience. If they were the best of the people who applied then I'm going to state the calibre of applicant couldn't have been great.

Interesting story. Bit concerning too.

There really is no defence for Hibs here, despite our love for the club, they don't seem a business many quality operators would be jumping for the chance to work for. The club should hold itself to a much higher standard than it has been recently.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m sure it’s better from a Hibs point of view having him closer to HTC than the city centre for him to act as a tourist, he’s here to play football at the end of the day.

Isolated is extreme, he’s in training every day and I’m sure the players go out for coffee etc after training and could easily have went into town himself with a taxi or whatever, he’s in Ormiston not Timbuktu

He's here to do a job. Nothing more. He can act the tourist in his own time if he wants. Hibs have no say in that.

[jeffers]

I’m sure it’s better from a Hibs point of view having him closer to HTC than the city centre for him to act as a tourist, he’s here to play football at the end of the day.

Isolated is extreme, he’s in training every day and I’m sure the players go out for coffee etc after training and could easily have went into town himself with a taxi or whatever, he’s in Ormiston not Timbuktu

He felt isolated. I’ve never been to Ormiston so I can’t comment on whether others would feel that way. How long do players train each day ? How much is a taxi from Ormiston to Edinburgh and back ? Doubt he’d have been on much money at all.

As I’ve said Hibs will have their own take on events. I’m not slaughtering the club over this, but I don’t think we’ve shown much care to a young man miles away from home.

[BSEJVT]

My posting history would show me not to be in favour of Ron Gordon and especially not Lee Johnson, but I would need some convincing that Hibs have treated this boy as badly as is claimed.

Looking objectively at it, I think his financial claims can be dismissed or would need to be viewed in greater context, there is no way Hibs are just arbitrarily deducting monies from him.

I guess I wouldn’t be happy getting moved from Edinburgh to Ormiston either in his circumstances, but what we don’t know is if he was living the life of Reilly and this was Hibs attempt to remove him from temptations.

I would be really disappointed if his fellow players weren’t supportive of him, but could be believe that as there appears are real lack of togetherness / fight in this team.

My dislike of Johnson is well documented and I could easily believe him decrying players openly to others, but that could easily be my perspective skewed by my dislike

[ThisIsTheYear]

This is a lot about nothing. We ain’t going to be fiddling the books with his wages (can only assume he doesn’t understand the tax system), there is nothing wrong with that flat. We have obviously not made him that welcome or been getting a hard time in training due to the fact he ain’t a very good footballer….

[7Hero]

Everything alleged and everyone is losing their *****..Folk giving up season tickets and bemoaning the ruthless owners and mgt :rolleyes:

2 sides to every story, let's wait and see what the facts are first shall we before throwing the book at the club and giving up on them.

[Unseen work]

He felt isolated. I’ve never been to Ormiston so I can’t comment on whether others would feel that way. How long do players train each day ? How much is a taxi from Ormiston to Edinburgh and back ? Doubt he’d have been on much money at all.

As I’ve said Hibs will have their own take on events. I’m not slaughtering the club over this, but I don’t think we’ve shown much care to a young man miles away from home.

I get that he maybe felt isolated, but he’s been put in a place that’s best for his career and to facilitate him getting to training, not his social life.

I imagine if he was put in the city centre he would be moaning about how he was poor it in an apartment that’s a half hour drive away from HTC.

Players tend to be in longer now than previous times and then go out for coffee/lunch etc after

[Forza Fred]

Was told his licence doesn’t allow him to drive in the UK and that his original accommodation was in a club flat near the ground. Was then moved to the flat in Ormiston. While some will argue that being nearer to the training ground was beneficial he doesn’t train all day, so was left isolated the rest of the time. Don’t believe Johnson’s treatment of him was great either. They obviously didn’t want him and at best the club haven’t really treated a young man miles away from home particularly well.


I’m sure the club will have their own version of events too however.

Not aimed at you, but some make out living in Ormiston is akin to living on a desert island!

When I came to Sydney In the 70’s I lived in an outlying suburb 40 odd kilometres or so from the centre of Sydney.

I had a 30 minute bus drive to my work in an adjoining suburb,and a 30 minute journey back.

Buses ran every 30 minutes during the week, and hourly on the weekend.

Yes, like him I guess it was lonely on my own, and while my workmates were fine, they had their own family life to worry about.

I worked out pretty quick what public transport took me into town, and used it….wasn’t great, but was usable.

I can understand his feeling of rejection and disappointment, but don’t get this ‘isolation’ thing.

Lots of people live on their own, and they all can work out how to use public transport.

Methinks the footballer doth protest too much!

[Allant1981]

Not aimed at you, but some make out living in Ormiston is akin to living on a desert island!

When I came to Sydney In the 70’s I lived in an outlying suburb 40 odd kilometres or so from the centre of Sydney.

I had a 30 minute bus drive to my work in an adjoining suburb,and a 30 minute journey back.

Buses ran every 30 minutes during the week, and hourly on the weekend.

Yes, like him I guess it was lonely on my own, and while my workmates were fine, they had their own family life to worry about.

I worked out pretty quick what public transport took me into town, and used it….wasn’t great, but was usable.

I can understand his feeling of rejection and disappointment, but don’t get this ‘isolation’ thing.

Lots of people live on their own, and they all can work out how to use public transport.

Methinks the footballer doth protest too much!

Exactly, all this isolated stuff is nonsense, there is a bus service into Edinburgh everyday, yes he may not be on thousands a week in wages but there's not a chance we are paying him that little he can't get a bus for a few quid. It's just another opportunity for some to have a go at the club because we aren't playing well just now

[Pedantic_Hibee]

He could get one bus, literally on his doorstep that would take him into town in less than an hour.

[Bridge hibs]

He could get one bus, literally on his doorstep that would take him into town in less than an hour.

Or a bike, give me a choice of the stunning East Lothian scenery or Edinburgh city centre then East Lothian wins hands down

[jeffers]

I get that he maybe felt isolated, but he’s been put in a place that’s best for his career and to facilitate him getting to training, not his social life.

I imagine if he was put in the city centre he would be moaning about how he was poor it in an apartment that’s a half hour drive away from HTC.

Players tend to be in longer now than previous times and then go out for coffee/lunch etc after

Possibly but you’d think a happy player would be a better performing player. If he feels he’s stuck in a wee village knowing no one and miles away from any team mates after he finishes training I can understand him being unhappy.

As far as I am aware he was originally in one of the club flats near the stadium, but was moved to the one in Ormiston. Having seen neither I can’t comment on whether that move was an upgrade or a downgrade.

I heard a few weeks ago from a few people that the PFA were involved, so it’s not as if the player is just making claims about his perceived treatment after we cut short his loan.

Like I’ve said there will be two sides to this story, but I don’t think we’ve shown a lot of care towards the laddie. That’s just my take on it.

[Forza Fred]

This is a lot about nothing. We ain’t going to be fiddling the books with his wages (can only assume he doesn’t understand the tax system), there is nothing wrong with that flat. We have obviously not made him that welcome or been getting a hard time in training due to the fact he ain’t a very good footballer….

When he talks about ‘taxes’ he probably just means ‘deductions’. In general.

I don’t know the ins and outs of this story, but it has been mentioned that he was moved to Ormiston for some reason from his original flat.

Could it be that the ‘taxes’ he said were deducted could be for cleaning/repair costs, which he would have known would be coming?

It’s unfortunate a story like this has surfaced…people these days tend to just form their opinion on the headline as opposed to reading the gist of it.

[jeffers]

Not aimed at you, but some make out living in Ormiston is akin to living on a desert island!

When I came to Sydney In the 70’s I lived in an outlying suburb 40 odd kilometres or so from the centre of Sydney.

I had a 30 minute bus drive to my work in an adjoining suburb,and a 30 minute journey back.

Buses ran every 30 minutes during the week, and hourly on the weekend.

Yes, like him I guess it was lonely on my own, and while my workmates were fine, they had their own family life to worry about.

I worked out pretty quick what public transport took me into town, and used it….wasn’t great, but was usable.

I can understand his feeling of rejection and disappointment, but don’t get this ‘isolation’ thing.

Lots of people live on their own, and they all can work out how to use public transport.

Methinks the footballer doth protest too much!

I’m not taking it as a go at me, so no issues at all with your post Fred.

I’m looking at this from the perspective of the player, how he seems to have felt. It’s not about having a big go at the club and the suggestion that I’m doing so ‘cos the team aren’t playing well is utter nonsense.

Everyone is different, some may love the adventure of living by themselves in East Lothian. Maybe this lad struggled with it, struggled being alone then comes into training each day where he feels unwanted by the manager who persuaded him to sign in the first place, realises he has no future at the club. Hardly surprising he’s felt unhappy in those circumstances.

[Unseen work]

Possibly but you’d think a happy player would be a better performing player. If he feels he’s stuck in a wee village knowing no one and miles away from any team mates after he finishes training I can understand him being unhappy.

As far as I am aware he was originally in one of the club flats near the stadium, but was moved to the one in Ormiston. Having seen neither I can’t comment on whether that move was an upgrade or a downgrade.

I heard a few weeks ago from a few people that the PFA were involved, so it’s not as if the player is just making claims about his perceived treatment after we cut short his loan.

Like I’ve said there will be two sides to this story, but I don’t think we’ve shown a lot of care towards the laddie. That’s just my take on it.

Which is fair enough, everyone will have their own take on it.

I just think the club is dammed if the do dammed if they don’t. City centre, Ormiston or wherever else he is their can be a complaint or versions skewed in a certain way to fit a certain agenda.

I don’t know what’s the norm for clubs in these circumstances but I can’t imagine there’s much they can do out with training and games? I’m genuinely unsure what we could do besides asking players to look after him and ask him to do some social stuff when ever they go

[Sir David Gray]

On the subject of low wages being offered, I've seen several examples of vacancies being advertised by the club where the salary on offer was much lower than what I would have expected.

The most recent example was a couple of months ago where we were looking to recruit a Sales Manager for £25,000 p/a. I know almost nothing about recruitment but I'm pretty sure that salary is at least £10,000 p/a less than most managerial positions.

[bigwheel]

On the subject of low wages being offered, I've seen several examples of vacancies being advertised by the club where the salary on offer was much lower than what I would have expected.

The most recent example was a couple of months ago where we were looking to recruit a Sales Manager for £25,000 p/a. I know almost nothing about recruitment but I'm pretty sure that salary is at least £10,000 p/a less than most managerial positions.

It’s a sales role ..will also have a commission scheme which will allow them to earn more if they are successful. Football clubs are not going to be the best players for non playing roles - that’s just the industry ..but these roles can be decent for those who want to earn and be part of the football sector.

[Allant1981]

It’s a sales role ..will also have a commission scheme which will allow them to earn more if they are successful. Football clubs are not going to be the best players for non playing roles - that’s just the industry ..but these roles can be decent for those who want to earn and be part of the football sector.

Yip unless the club is a top English club the wages are never going to be huge, I applied for a job in the summer with the club and you had to state your current salary when applying for that position, I kind of knew they couldn't match my current salary but working for the club was the appeal, but the boss(wife) made it clear I wouldn't be leaving my current job for less money!!

[Pretty Boy]

It’s a sales role ..will also have a commission scheme which will allow them to earn more if they are successful. Football clubs are not going to be the best players for non playing roles - that’s just the industry ..but these roles can be decent for those who want to earn and be part of the football sector.

There's not many decent sales managers going to work for £25K basic even with an uncapped commission structure.

Entry level retail sales you might get someone taking a job for £17-18k because they will see the OTE but at management level you'd be seriously underselling yourself.

[Allant1981]

There's not many decent sales managers going to work for £25K basic even with an uncapped commission structure.

Entry level retail sales you might get someone taking a job for £17-18k because they will see the OTE but at management position you'd be seriously underselling yourself.

Mate of mine is a sales manager and sure he earns approx 40k

[bigwheel]

There's not many decent sales managers going to work for £25K basic even with an uncapped commission structure.

Entry level retail sales you might get someone taking a job for £17-18k because they will see the OTE but at management position you'd be seriously underselling yourself.

Sales titles can be grander than the role. Not looked at the job, but I’m guessing it’s a sales role ..that’s what the focus will be . And yes , agreed , football sector will not be the best paying roles …

[easty]

Was told his licence doesn’t allow him to drive in the UK and that his original accommodation was in a club flat near the ground. Was then moved to the flat in Ormiston. While some will argue that being nearer to the training ground was beneficial he doesn’t train all day, so was left isolated the rest of the time. Don’t believe Johnson’s treatment of him was great either. They obviously didn’t want him and at best the club haven’t really treated a young man miles away from home particularly well.


I’m sure the club will have their own version of events too however.

What’s an example of how Johnson treated him? Bit **** to say the manager wasn’t treating him great unless you know something.

[Heisenberg]

Probably best to wait and see what’s actually happened. Plenty folk saying Bojang wasn’t exactly helping himself with his behaviour.

[Allant1981]

Probably best to wait and see what’s actually happened. Plenty folk saying Bojang wasn’t exactly helping himself with his behaviour.

Easier to have a go at the club though

[SMAXXA]

That's not great logic at all mate. There is a Scottish joint industry board minimum rate for electricians and approved electricians. Hibs were well below it. It's not a subjective thing, it was a poor wage for what they wanted.

It's surely not just about filling a position? I think if we offered 500 quid a week at right back we'd still get players wanting it. They'd probably be a poor standard, though. Not all electricians are the same quality. If I needed one to maintain a building that housed 20k people, I'd be paying them well.

No being funny but for all the things folk are having a go at the club about this is up there with the most laughable, who gives a toss if they don’t want the role don’t apply maybe someone who did want it and were happy with the terms got it, it’s got nothing to do with you or me. Can’t even believe it’s being discussed tbh

[MrRobot]

No being funny but for all the things folk are having a go at the club about this is up there with the most laughable, who gives a toss if they don’t want the role don’t apply maybe someone who did want it and were happy with the terms got it, it’s got nothing to do with you or me. Can’t even believe it’s being discussed tbh

people unhappy with the salary being offered on a job they didn’t want or apply for :confused:

[Not In The Know]

people unhappy with the salary being offered on a job they didn’t want or apply for :confused:


You couldn’t make it up.

One minute folk are moaning about the spend on hospitality and stadium upgrade instead of players and then it’s we aren’t paying sales reps enough. Ffs

[big gogs]

Calm the F down and let the Bojang allegations play out then folk can debate the consequences. Club being hung drawn and quartered because of an allegation
It’s the fans way ,let’s find the facts a.k.a. The truth.how many fans will say ,I didn’t believe it anyway.after condemning the club.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Abraham Lincoln writes a lovely blog about the dangers of believing everything you read on the internet…

[MWHIBBIES]

people unhappy with the salary being offered on a job they didn’t want or apply for :confused:

Yes? I'm not a nurse either, but I'd like them to win big and get what they're worth. Not an unreasonable position really.

PrettyBoy has said he actually was interested in the job but the salary was well less than it should've been.



You couldn’t make it up.

One minute folk are moaning about the spend on hospitality and stadium upgrade instead of players and then it’s we aren’t paying sales reps enough. Ffs

Hibs aren't paying the going rate for the positions and experience they are after. Why does people pointing out that indisputable fact bother you?

[Golden Bear]

Do we have a replacement waiting in the wings?

I think not, so for the sake of Hibernian FC, we as a fan base, should tread very carefully and not poke the bear. Now is certainly not the time.

[Smartie]

Yes? I'm not a nurse either, but I'd like them to win big and get what they're worth. Not an unreasonable position really.

PrettyBoy has said he actually was interested in the job but the salary was well less than it should've been.




Hibs aren't paying the going rate for the positions and experience they are after. Why does people pointing out that indisputable fact bother you?

“The going rate” is something that’s hard to define.

Hibs will probably get away with paying a wee bit less than other companies / institutions because of who they are, although they won’t be able to take the piss.

As long as they’re finding people of sufficient quality to do the jobs required then there is no problem…

… which is exactly the problem. Are we getting people of sufficient quality?


I’ve actually heard quite a lot of grumblings from former employees of Hibs this week from a relative of mine. None of them were about not having been paid enough but there have been a lot of people very unhappy about a lot of things at Hibs in recent years.

There may or may not be merit in Bojangs grumblings but let’s face it - it’s not exactly a surprise to hear stuff like this coming out.

[LaMotta]

Yes? I'm not a nurse either, but I'd like them to win big and get what they're worth. Not an unreasonable position really.

PrettyBoy has said he actually was interested in the job but the salary was well less than it should've been.


Hibs aren't paying the going rate for the positions and experience they are after. Why does people pointing out that indisputable fact bother you?

I'm totally with you on this. Hibs also advertised for a head of comms role at some point last year and for the job described and responsibility involved it looked to be considerably underpaid compared to similar roles in other organisations.

So what people might say? Well it shows that the people at the top are making strange decisions and have poor judgement. No surprise therefore that Hibs have been making poor decisions when appointing managers or recruiting players.

[Not In The Know]

Yes? I'm not a nurse either, but I'd like them to win big and get what they're worth. Not an unreasonable position really.

PrettyBoy has said he actually was interested in the job but the salary was well less than it should've been.




Hibs aren't paying the going rate for the positions and experience they are after. Why does people pointing out that indisputable fact bother you?


I work in an industry where folk get paid less than other comparable positions in other companies, because it’s deemed as more a more desirable place to work.

Not sayin I agree with it.

[green day]

Some jobs in football are poorly paid relative to "real jobs", partly because some people just want to work in pro sport;


I know of someone (a neighbours nephew) who moved to a job with Hibs in the last year or so.

He came from another football club in Scotland.

The Hibs job was not only better paid, but higher profile and has given him opportunities he could never have had at the other club.

Ultimately he wants to work in England, and Hibs are a natural stepping stone.

Obviously I wont say his name, what he does or where he came from, but this is all verbatim from his uncle.

[Sir David Gray]

I'm totally with you on this. Hibs also advertised for a head of comms role at some point last year and for the job described and responsibility involved it looked to be considerably underpaid compared to similar roles in other organisations.

So what people might say? Well it shows that the people at the top are making strange decisions and have poor judgement. No surprise therefore that Hibs have been making poor decisions when appointing managers or recruiting players.

There was also a vacancy last year for an Academy Operations Manager which again had a salary of £25,000 p/a.

My main issue isn't with the fact that no-one's forcing anyone to apply and accept this salary if they think it's too low, it's the fact that I believe that most of the people who will want to apply for a job on that kind of salary are those without the kind of experience required for a managerial role and we're then left with people in senior roles at the club who really aren't qualified to hold such a position.

[jeffers]

I see both sides of it. If the club think they can get staff by paying a lower rate then they are saving money that can be spent elsewhere. The flip side is you end up with inexperienced staff or staff who won’t stay in the position long ‘cos they can earn more somewhere else.

[MWHIBBIES]

I work in an industry where folk get paid less than other comparable positions in other companies, because it’s deemed as more a more desirable place to work.

Not sayin I agree with it.

Is it 30+ percent less?

I can absolutely understand that tbh.

I'm not sure Hibs offer actually carried the kind of benefits to be considered that kind of position, though. Expected to work at both east mains and Easter road with no van being provided for example. So lugging materials, tools and plant around in your own car. That's a pain in the arse.

[LeithMike]

Regardless of the stuff about Bojang (which is very serious and runs totally against the principles of a community club), it’s all happening against a backdrop where we have seen numerous people with loyalty to the club removed from their positions; players’ contracts handed out to existing players without much merit; a contractual mistake over a loan to buy clause; playing a suspended player; failed and failing managerial appointment; exclusion of HSL and supporter representatives; a haphazard recruitment policy and the over-commercialisation of the club. It’s a pretty shocking level of incompetence really.

We don’t really know who is footing the bill for all of this - whether the owner is putting money in or accumulating debt. It’s time for the supporters to get involved and the best forum for that would be through Hibernian Supporters. We would have a very powerful voice if we could act together.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Regardless of the stuff about Bojang (which is very serious and runs totally against the principles of a community club), it’s all happening against a backdrop where we have seen numerous people with loyalty to the club removed from their positions; players’ contracts handed out to existing players without much merit; a contractual mistake over a loan to buy clause; playing a suspended player; failed and failing managerial appointment; exclusion of HSL and supporter representatives; a haphazard recruitment policy and the over-commercialisation of the club. It’s a pretty shocking level of incompetence really.

We don’t really know who is footing the bill for all of this - whether the owner is putting money in or accumulating debt. It’s time for the supporters to get involved and the best forum for that would be through Hibernian Supporters. We would have a very powerful voice if we could act together.


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:agree:

The treatment of folk like Tam McCourt, Sue McLernon, Kenny and Colin Millar etc just leaves you feeling like there’s something in this with Bojang.

We’ve treated employees like **** before under RG, why wouldn’t we now?

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Dream on getting rid of this board 🙄

[Allant1981]

I work in an industry where folk get paid less than other comparable positions in other companies, because it’s deemed as more a more desirable place to work.

Not sayin I agree with it.

Sparkies, plumbers etc at my work earn less than 29k per year(nhs) excluding weekends, on call etc and always manage to recruit decent staff, not always going to get rubbish just because the pay is less than elsewhere

[Waxy]

Some folk would give there leg to be a pro footballer being put up in any kind of accomodation.
Wont moaning about a club just put clubs off signing him in future?

[sadtom]

Luxury! We worked 30hrs a day and lived in’t hole in’t road…

To be fair, if he was eating gravel and living in a shoe box on the motorway. He’d still be getting a fantastic deal relative to his performance at work.

I can only imagine when he Googled Edinburgh when he first considered the move, saw pictures of Holyrood Palace and thought ‘that’ll do for me!’

[thebausburst]

All Everton fan groups have written an open letter calling for the owner/board to go, perhaps it’s time for Hibs fan groups to do the same.

[marinello59]

All Everton fan groups have written an open letter calling for the owner/board to go, perhaps it’s time for Hibs fan groups to do the same.

We used to laugh at the Jambos for sending endless open letters. They will know how the fans are feeling already.

[RIP]

All Everton fan groups have written an open letter calling for the owner/board to go, perhaps it’s time for Hibs fan groups to do the same.

We don't have a supporter's organisation though.

The last few Facebook posts I've seen involving the HSA have celebrated the return of a barman, a soul night and a UB40 tribute band.

Thousands of pointless social media posts and a supporter organisation running a social club.

What will it take to develop a supporters group capable of campaigning for improvements to the running of the football club we supposedly love so much.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Also the fact that sources are saying he was moved due to causing issues (damage) at the place he lived at first, if so a lot of this problem is of his own making.

I'm not defending anyone but he seems to have released a statement and until both sides are heard its all guess work.

Heard two different reasons for him being moved flat, one is that he caused damage and was moved. Other is that he was sharing with another fringe player and kept walking about with his chopper out (even when flatmates partner was visiting) and was moved due to that…


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[Gatecrasher]

I’m struggling with alot of what has been said, mainly because I just don’t/can’t believe we’re being run by crooks.

1. Not paying his wage and strange tax

There’s no way we’re allowing that to happen and I imagine he maybe doesn’t understand the UK tax and how it works, his expected income to what he actually gets is probably different if that is the case. We will have a finance department who irrespective of how poor a player is would not break the law or contract. Could also be stuff to do with internal fines by the club such as turning up late.

2. Living conditions & car

Does he hold a sufficient licence to drive in the UK and if not is that perhaps the reason he was provided with a flat that’s only a 15 minute walk to the training ground? Each player will receive a different salary and different benefits. Bojang will be on a relatively low salary and likely have been treated as a development player, how many other players on his salary etc will get a 2 bed flat paid for? To say it’s a jail cell is ridiculous and to be honest a bit insulting, how many people have had to save up years for a deposit and then pay a mortgage each month to live in a place like that?

His flat was decorated and had sofa’s, beds etc. He could have bought his own stuff if he so desired and you just have to look at youth players digs to see it’s pretty standard, they’re not playing in the premier league for man United in a fully kitted out apartment.

We have give every single player a fully kitted out apartment in the centre of Edinburgh, that would cost a fortune and I imagine are given to those we value slightly higher.

3. Treatment

Johnson shouted at him? As I’m sure he does every player, and I’m sure everyone that has played football at any level has experienced. Obviously there is a line and we don’t know what stage it got to but a manager letting a player know his thoughts and that he won’t be part of his plans isn’t the worst, isn’t the first and won’t be the last. Unfortunately it’s a cut throat business.

4. Forced to terminated loan/give back apartment

It’s an agreement in place in his loan through a break clause, of course he would then have to give back the ‘jail cell’ he’s living in.

Clearly I don’t know all the exact details which I’m sure no one does but I just can’t see it being anywhere near like what he’s said. What I do think is he’s maybe been a bit naive or has been ‘sold the dream’s Told he’s moving to Edinburgh to this fantastic big club where his accommodation will be paid for, in reality maybe not as luxurious as he thought.

The bit about walking to training, that’s as much on the players Imo if he did seek out a lift from them or asked for help. But again I really struggle to believe guys like Gray, McGregor, Stevenson, Newell, Hanlon and Porteous would stand back and let this guy struggle, say what you want about them as players but they’re all good lads.

:agree: I'm all in on the Gordons out train but this isn't the hill to die on.

[Pagan Hibernia]

We don't have a supporter's organisation though.

The last few Facebook posts I've seen involving the HSA have celebrated the return of a barman, a soul night and a UB40 tribute band.

Thousands of pointless social media posts and a supporter organisation running a social club.

No-one even remotely interested or competent to campaign for improvements to the running of the football club we supposedly love so much.

yep, we need to be more organised and militant.

in pre socialmedia 1990 we managed to find that unity, solidified organisation and the belief that we could make a difference. Obviously this is a long way from being the same situation but we need to get real if we’re serious about not accepting mediocrity at best and a shambolic joke of a football club at worst.

[WhileTheChief..]

We don't have a supporter's organisation though.

The last few Facebook posts I've seen involving the HSA have celebrated the return of a barman, a soul night and a UB40 tribute band.

Thousands of pointless social media posts and a supporter organisation running a social club.

No-one even remotely interested or competent to campaign for improvements to the running of the football club we supposedly love so much.

It’s a social club, with members enjoying themselves and sharing stuff on their social media.They’re not an organisation for campaigning for anything.

What have you done? Anything?

[Pretty Boy]

We don't have a supporter's organisation though.

The last few Facebook posts I've seen involving the HSA have celebrated the return of a barman, a soul night and a UB40 tribute band.

Thousands of pointless social media posts and a supporter organisation running a social club.

No-one even remotely interested or competent to campaign for improvements to the running of the football club we supposedly love so much.

Seems like a gap in the market. Given it's something you are clearly passionate about maybe you should take the lead.

You could even check potential members are on the database.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

You could even check potential members are on the database.

🤗

[Baldy Foghorn]

We don't have a supporter's organisation though.

The last few Facebook posts I've seen involving the HSA have celebrated the return of a barman, a soul night and a UB40 tribute band.

Thousands of pointless social media posts and a supporter organisation running a social club.

No-one even remotely interested or competent to campaign for improvements to the running of the football club we supposedly love so much.

Ok I'll bite here.

You seem to have some anger aimed at the HSA, not sure why. There are plenty who are interested and competent at making their feelings known to the Club, but you are assuming no contact has been made?

[Clarence]

Heard two different reasons for him being moved flat, one is that he caused damage and was moved. Other is that he was sharing with another fringe player and kept walking about with his chopper out (even when flatmates partner was visiting) and was moved due to that…


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Maybe he had been learning about Scottish culture through watching Billy Connolly TV shows and he thought it was appropriate. Gie the laddie a break ffs.

[DIXIHIBS]

Ok I'll bite here.

You seem to have some anger aimed at the HSA, not sure why. There are plenty who are interested and competent at making their feelings known to the Club, but you are assuming no contact has been made?

You just beat me to it.

[Jones28]

Maybe he had been learning about Scottish culture through watching Billy Connolly TV shows and he thought it was appropriate. Gie the laddie a break ffs.

Lost in translation maybe?

If ye didny have yer willie, where would ye be?

[Willis1875]

Lost in translation maybe?

If ye didny have yer willie, where would ye be?

You’d be in Ormiston,with nae Tele

[B.H.F.C]

We don't have a supporter's organisation though.

The last few Facebook posts I've seen involving the HSA have celebrated the return of a barman, a soul night and a UB40 tribute band.

Thousands of pointless social media posts and a supporter organisation running a social club.

No-one even remotely interested or competent to campaign for improvements to the running of the football club we supposedly love so much.

Seen you mention this quite a lot.

If you feel so strongly, why not look to set something up?

[RIP]

Ok I'll bite here.

You seem to have some anger aimed at the HSA, not sure why. There are plenty who are interested and competent at making their feelings known to the Club, but you are assuming no contact has been made?

I've no anger at all, just feel that Hibs supporters should have some official representation.

The last Chairman we heard of who was active in this area was Mike Riley? However maybe he was simply more accessible to the press.

Ron and Lee were invited to a Q&A last year so it's not like there's been no communication.

If there are more regular meetings, that would be great news.

As a past and present member of the HSA I'd like to see it taking the lead on representing the whole membership, only a proportion of which use the facilities at Sunnyside.

Is it true that membership numbers of the Hibernian Supporters Association are limited by the capacity of the social club? A club the size of Hibs should have thousands of fans in its supporters organisation instead of running it as a closed shop.

As other posters suggest, I will find out more through my branch rep. I'm happy to volunteer my time to help the club.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I've no anger at all, just feel that Hibs supporters should have some official representation.

The last Chairman we heard of who was active in this area was Mike Riley? However maybe he was simply more accessible to the press.

Ron and Lee were invited to a Q&A last year so it's not like there's been no communication.

If there are more regular meetings, that would be great news.

As a past and present member of the HSA I'd like to see it taking the lead on representing the whole membership, only a proportion of which use the facilities at Sunnyside.

Is it true that membership numbers of the Hibernian Supporters Association are limited by the capacity of the social club? A club the size of Hibs should have thousands of fans in its supporters organisation instead of running it as a closed shop.

As other posters suggest, I will find out more through my branch rep. I'm happy to volunteer my time to help the club.

The Association were heavily involved with Hibs after the Cup win in 2016, promoting the Cup being taken out to members etc. There was a Q&A with manager and CEO in June. There is ongoing dialogue, regarding other events.

I felt your post was misguided saying no-one was competent, which is a slur on the many professionals who are members of the HSA.

The problem is every time the Chairperson put their head above the parapet, you have thousands who will say, who are they, they don't speak for me. That happens all the time

[Billy Whizz]

The Association were heavily involved with Hibs after the Cup win in 2016, promoting the Cup being taken out to members etc. There was a Q&A with manager and CEO in June. There is ongoing dialogue, regarding other events.

I felt your post was misguided saying no-one was competent, which is a slur on the many professionals who are members of the HSA.

The problem is every time the Chairperson put their head above the parapet, you have thousands who will say, who are they, they don't speak for me. That happens all the time
BF, who is the chairperson just now

[Baldy Foghorn]

BF, who is the chairperson just now

Davie Shaw.

[Billy Whizz]

Davie Shaw.

Ta, don’t recognise the name, but probably the face

[WhileTheChief..]

The Association were heavily involved with Hibs after the Cup win in 2016, promoting the Cup being taken out to members etc. There was a Q&A with manager and CEO in June. There is ongoing dialogue, regarding other events.

I felt your post was misguided saying no-one was competent, which is a slur on the many professionals who are members of the HSA.

The problem is every time the Chairperson put their head above the parapet, you have thousands who will say, who are they, they don't speak for me. That happens all the time

Agreed.

They aren't there to speak for anyone else, and the HSA has never been seen as a vehicle to represent the views of Hibs fans any more than this forum has been. Or was it? Not as far as I've ever been aware.

I don't want that to change. HSA is what it is.

It doesn't need to try and morph into some kind of pressure group like the Union Bears or whatever they're called through at Ibrox.

[GreenGray]

All Everton fan groups have written an open letter calling for the owner/board to go, perhaps it’s time for Hibs fan groups to do the same.

I wonder what it would take at Hibs for it to get to this stage?

Obviously things could be worse at the minute but I often feels Hibs fans are quite passive compared to others. There also seems to still be a considerably large number of the fan base who support the Gordon’s etc. Wonder how bad it would have to get for our fans to do something similar.


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[RIP]

Seen you mention this quite a lot.

If you feel so strongly, why not look to set something up?

I've been involved in a number of supporter initiatives at Hibs since 2009.

1. Set up the Singing Section in sections 42-44 in time for the opening of the new East. Signed up a database of fans willing to buy a ST there and signed up 450 names
2. Organised a 'Green Day' with a whole stand full of flags
3. Initiated a fans group known as Hibs12thMan and recruited a steering group
4. Organised flag cabinets under the East with the help of a Hibs friendly Leith-based furniture firm
5. Sent the Board a written proposal for a 'Shadow Board', which when agreed by Rod Petrie, developed into Let's Work Together. LWT's most significant outcome was the 'Hibernian Way' project which under Brian Houston and a former Hibs.Net admin, led directly to the recruitment of LD and a DOF.

The most rewarding aspect of this period of supporter activism wasn't my role, but in meeting and working with a wonderful group of Hibee men and women to bridge the gap between directors and supporters. Previously the gap had grown too large which had led to the Club feeling too 'corporate' and remote from the fans.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel that we have regressed back to those bad old days.

[Allant1981]

I've been involved in a number of supporter initiatives at Hibs since 2009.

1. Set up the Singing Section in sections 42-44 in time for the opening of the new East. Signed up a database of fans willing to buy a ST there and signed up 450 names
2. Organised a 'Green Day' with a whole stand full of flags
3. Initiated a fans group known as Hibs12thMan and recruited a steering group
4. Organised flag cabinets under the East with the help of a Hibs friendly Leith-based furniture firm
5. Sent the Board a written proposal for a 'Shadow Board', which when agreed by Rod Petrie, developed into Let's Work Together. LWT's most significant outcome was the 'Hibernian Way' project which under Brian Houston and a former Hibs.Net admin, led directly to the recruitment of LD and a DOF.

The most rewarding aspect of this period of supporter activism wasn't my role, but in bridging the cap between directors and supporters. Previously the gap had grown too large which had led to the Club feeling too 'corporate' and remote from the fans.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel that we have regressed back to those bad old days.

Aye but apart from all that what have you done😁

[RIP]

Aye but apart from all that what have you done😁

Hee Haw since my cancer diagnosis.

It's thanks to Hibs that I'm still kicking buddy, as I fell ill at Easter Road in 2018 and was rescued by the club doctor. He sent me up to ERI in an ambulance with a recommendation that they give me a scan.

God bless that man. GGTTH. 😁💚

I felt Hibs were going well with LD. Not at all clear where we're heading under the current board.

[Allant1981]

Hee Haw since my cancer diagnosis. It's thanks to Hibs that I'm still kicking buddy, as I fell ill at Easter Road in 2018 and was rescued by the club doctor. He sent me up to ERI in an ambulance with a recommendation that they give me a scan.

God bless that man. GGTTH. 😁💚

What kind of excuse is that!! Health always comes first and hope you are doing ok

[Scotty Leither]

We used to laugh at the Jambos for sending endless open letters. They will know how the fans are feeling already.

The sad thing is I think they look on us with contempt and disdain.

The amount of jokers in club suits smirking and cutting about like peacocks in the hospitality after the games looking they’ve not got a care in the world is uncanny.

Soon though there’ll be more of them in there than fans if the numbers after the last two home games are anything to go by.

The club needs strong, VISIBLE leadership, and it needs it now.