Ron say or go?

[hibsforeurope]

Genuinely interested why people think he should stay?
other than saying no one else is available to buy the club what are the argument for him to stay?

[lyonhibs]

Well the fact that there's no other buyer waiting in the wings is a rather compelling explanation of why he will stay. Whether he should or not is possibly a different matter, but as he's effectively his own boss, it's a moot point

[Iain G]

Say!

[Glory Lurker]

Pointless thread. Nobody has the cash to buy him out and invest further.

[cabbageandribs1875]

what is he to say though


we need to know first :)

[Sir David Gray]

I'd like him to go but sadly he's going nowhere any time soon.

[Pretty Boy]

In an ideal world go and as soon as ****ing possible.

In reality it's stay solely because there is no alternative.

[Jim44]

Pointless thread. Nobody has the cash to buy him out and invest further.

It might be a pointless thread but at least it shows the total lack of confidence there is in our American leader.

[Kano Kirsty]

I’m more worried about why he’s taken out standard securities over all of our assets.

[Nicho87]

What was said about the recruitment change - heard Kevin harper say he’s no longer a scout but was mid sentence?

Have we scrapped current policy of signing anyone under 21 with a decent YouTube montage?

Genuine question.

[Danderhall Hibs]

HSL fell flat on its face a few years ago - that was the chance “we” had to take control.

[snedzuk]

Go - gift the club to someone.

[truehibernian]

Absolutely go - a charlatan and absent owner - the passive nature of the support is worrying. He needs to go asap !

[Glory Lurker]

It might be a pointless thread but at least it shows the total lack of confidence there is in our American leader.

Doesn't achieve us much though, does it? He's not going to gift the club.

I'm with Danderhall. HSL was the opportunity. I hope those that sullied it are proud of themselves. Season ticketsat Tynecastle all round for them.

[McGruber]

The poll on the manager can put pressure on the owner. The poll on the owner is pointless

[Stuart93]

He’s ruined the club.

Doesn’t even feel like hibs at times

[Lago]

Say!
Beat me to it 😂😂

[Baldy Foghorn]

No direction and in free fall. Until we get a buyer, it's more pain

[Iain G]

Beat me to it 😂😂

😉😁

[Waxy]

It has to be a learning curve owning a football club.
I say say.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Doesn't achieve us much though, does it? He's not going to gift the club.

I'm with Danderhall. HSL was the opportunity. I hope those that sullied it are proud of themselves. Season ticketsat Tynecastle all round for them.

everyone that threw base-less lies around about HSL before it even started, helping to ensure it’s failure, needs to be tracked down and chased round Edinburgh with big sticks that have been dipped in dogs**t.

that wouldn’t be a severe enough punishment but it would make me feel better.

[Pretty Boy]

everyone that threw base-less lies around about HSL before it even started, helping to ensure it’s failure, needs to be tracked down and chased round Edinburgh with big sticks that have been dipped in dogs**t.

that wouldn’t be a severe enough punishment but it would make me feel better.

Some of us who called out the lies were met with threats of physical violence from some and minimal sympathy from others.

I hope that those people are happy with our current ownership

[Northernhibee]

He’s ruined the club.

Doesn’t even feel like hibs at times
That second sentence in particular is bang on

[Real Emerald]

The poll on the manager can put pressure on the owner. The poll on the owner is pointless

Whilst you are correct in the manager’s situation I think we the fans should be heaping massive pressure on the owner. It’s his daft experiments and absolutely useless recruitment policy that’s killing our club and needs called out for it.

If his policies aren’t working he needs to admit it and if he isn’t leaving, he needs to bring in proper football people who can oversee the football part of the club.

If he sticks by his pig headed “it was a good window” statements, the club is finished. He must bring in help and change his policies.

[Alfred E Newman]

He’s invested his money in something he hasn’t a clue about.
He may have improved the commercial side of the club but on the footballing side it’s a circus.

[hibsforeurope]

Pointless thread. Nobody has the cash to buy him out and invest further.

Out of interest how much would it take to buy him out?

[CL0762]

I’m more worried about why he’s taken out standard securities over all of our assets.

Those wishing him away need to consider things like this.

He walks away, we are absolutely ****ed.

[Glory Lurker]

Out of interest how much would it take to buy him out?

He'd need to recoup his 3 mill purchase, plus whatever we owe his company now. And that's just so he breaks even. And then we need to build a team.

[flash]

He’s ruined the club.

Doesn’t even feel like hibs at times

We are crap and we can't beat Hertz.

Feels exactly like Hibs to me.

[CropleyWasGod]

I’m more worried about why he’s taken out standard securities over all of our assets.

To secure any loans he has given us.

[CropleyWasGod]

Those wishing him away need to consider things like this.

He walks away, we are absolutely ****ed.

In what way?

[marinello59]

No direction and in free fall. Until we get a buyer, it's more pain

:agree:

[Waxy]

Those wishing him away need to consider things like this.

He walks away, we are absolutely ****ed.

Which is probably why mostly non hibbys wish him away.

[Iain G]

Some of us who called out the lies were met with threats of physical violence from some and minimal sympathy from others.

I hope that those people are happy with our current ownership

Was this all the Ponzi scheme nonsense from Paul Kane and Simon Pia and co?

[Torto7]

Stay. He's invested plenty and been let down for it. I have no problem with Ron at all.

[hibsforeurope]

He'd need to recoup his 3 mill purchase, plus whatever we owe his company now. And that's just so he breaks even. And then we need to build a team.

I think given how things are going he’d bite your hand off to break even, he’s deluded if he thinks he can make a profit out of Scottish football, unless he starts selling off assets.

Transfers have come out of club generated funds, other than initial purchase there’s been no investment from Ron.

[BoomtownHibees]

Stay. He's invested plenty and been let down for it. I have no problem with Ron at all.

Been let down by people he has employed

[hibsforeurope]

Been let down by people he has employed

So basically let himself down.

[WhileTheChief..]

If LJ goes and RG comes out saying, "yup, we got that one badly wrong, sorry about that" I'll continue to support him.

What i won't be able to do is accept is any of his chat about the squad being strong and everything being fine apart from the results. I want to see a bit of humility and hear what he is going to change moving forwards.

I also want him to explain what's going on at the club. What will a DoF do? Is IG still involved? Is he still fully behind BK?

All that stuff. I think we kinda deserve an explanation.

[Ozyhibby]

Stay. Has done very good work on commercial side and has increased playing budget. Football side is terrible just now but it can be turned round quickly with the right appointments and structure. I don’t think everything about current squad is terrible but it’s clear that there is a lot of work to do.


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[Bostonhibby]

He can do as he pleases.

Our best chance of at least having a meaningful shareholding before Farmer sold up was strangled by HSL never getting the support it needed to reach at least that objective. Then the owner effectively killing it by making the acquisition of shares on the same basis as before impossible.

It's Ron's (and Ian's) ball, and they're not kicking it very well.

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[Iain G]

There is a very good idea in there, tap into new markets, which is working well for some other teams in our league, bring in good talent and develop and grow them to do well for us, sell for profit, and repeat.

It's the execution and the balance with investment elsewhere in the squad they haven't got right as yet.

[hibsforeurope]

There is a very good idea in there, tap into new markets, which is working well for some other teams in our league, bring in good talent and develop and grow them to do well for us, sell for profit, and repeat.

It's the execution and the balance with investment elsewhere in the squad they haven't got right as yet.

I’m still not sure any of the ‘good talent’ will be worth anything during the length of their current contracts.
It’s potentially a good model, but the balance and quality of the player is way off.

[Iain G]

I’m still not sure any of the ‘good talent’ will be worth anything during the length of their current contracts.
It’s potentially a good model, but the balance and quality of the player is way off.

It needs refined, maybe less players but more quality?

[hibsforeurope]

It needs refined, maybe less players but more quality?

Definitely more quality. But we need more knowledge of the markets we’re looking in too, there’s no point picking random players and hoping they’ll turn good as they’re from a certain league, country or club.

[Baader]

There is a very good idea in there, tap into new markets, which is working well for some other teams in our league, bring in good talent and develop and grow them to do well for us, sell for profit, and repeat.

It's the execution and the balance with investment elsewhere in the squad they haven't got right as yet.

It could work if you had people at the club who know what they are doing. Proper experienced football people. But not Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell.

[Iain G]

It could work if you had people at the club who know what they are doing. Proper experienced football people. But not Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell.

Sounds like there are changed being made to recruitment? Hopefully learning lessons from first forays into new markets and refining the strategy and get it right. Never always going to get things right the first time.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Bring in the Saudi investors

[hibsforeurope]

Sounds like there are changed being made to recruitment? Hopefully learning lessons from first forays into new markets and refining the strategy and get it right. Never always going to get things right the first time.

Good that Changes are coming but going to be too late for this window, should have been made months ago to give time to get players looked at and in the door.
Without proper recruitment we are amongst the favourites to go down, or at least for a play off.

[Glory Lurker]

Bring in the Saudi investors

Easy tiger!

[Steve20]

The club is an absolute shambles on the pitch under his ownership. He has no idea how to run the football side of a football club.

But unless someone is willing to come in, him leaving isn’t an option unfortunately.

However if you think he has us in a good position, you’re a moron that needs to wake up. He’s done nothing good for us as in a footballing sense and that’s any we follow this club. As a FOOTBALL CLUB.

[jeffers]

Always wondered why someone with zero links to Hibs would want to buy as the best he could ever achieve is the odd cup win, 3rd place and a wee jaunt in Europe. But I still think his intentions are good, but imo there are similarities to the initial years when Budge took over at Hearts - bad appointments and misplaced trust. Our revenues are up, something that was badly neglected in the latter stages of Dempster’s time. We are paying fees for players and wages I’d scarcely have believed if you’d told me a few years ago we’d be paying.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Always wondered why someone with zero links to Hibs would want to buy as the best he could ever achieve is the odd cup win, 3rd place and a wee jaunt in Europe. But I still think his intentions are good, but imo there are similarities to the initial years when Budge took over at Hearts - bad appointments and misplaced trust. Our revenues are up, something that was badly neglected in the latter stages of Dempster’s time. We are paying fees for players and wages I’d scarcely have believed if you’d told me a few years ago we’d be paying.

What sort of wages are you hearing? Not interested in who it’s being paid to.

[Greencore]

What sort of wages are you hearing? Not interested in who it’s being paid to.

Mueller was on 10 k a week.

[jeffers]

What sort of wages are you hearing? Not interested in who it’s being paid to.

Only heard a few but some on £5k pw and they aren’t the highest earners. No idea what McGeady and Marshall are on, but I believe MB is our highest earner

I know folk scoffed about the Mueller wages but I don’t believe the £10k is off the mark.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Only heard a few but some on £5k pw and they aren’t the highest earners. No idea what McGeady and Marshall are on, but I believe MB is our highest earner

I know folk scoffed about the Mueller wages but I don’t believe the £10k is off the mark.

Thanks.

£5k is generally about where I expected our top earner to be although I expected Boyle to have broken that. I didn’t think that would be a more middle of the road wage.

[LeithMike]

Only heard a few but some on £5k pw and they aren’t the highest earners. No idea what McGeady and Marshall are on, but I believe MB is our highest earner

I know folk scoffed about the Mueller wages but I don’t believe the £10k is off the mark.

The question is where is the money coming from? Have our commercial revenues increased that much, has RG put his own money or is this being funded by debt?

Anyone actually know?


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[jeffers]

The question is where is the money coming from? Have our commercial revenues increased that much, has RG put his own money or is this being funded by debt?

Anyone actually know?


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The suggestion is our revenue is up dramatically. I guess the annual accounts will confirm this one way or another. He gets stick but I think Kensell has done a good job in that respect.

[silverhibee]

Say!

Yay

[NAE NOOKIE]

I voted go. But not out of any personal animosity towards him, I just feel now it's got to the stage where it's becoming clear that on the pitch we are going nowhere fast with him as owner. He does seem good at the attracting investment stuff, but it doesn't matter a toss how much money you bring in if you spend it badly.

Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea for him to start a hunt for a new owner willing to take the club off his hands. I don't care what anybody says, this club is an attractive proposition if it's potential is punted as it's biggest asset ... It has most of the infrastructure it needs in place and it has a big latent fanbase who will come out to support it given the right circumstances, that isn't just a theory has been proved within the last 8 years.

I get what folk are saying about HSL and I remain a paying member to this day. But I am not convinced that fan ownership is the way to go for this club, or Hearts for that matter. They have a rich benefactor pumping millions into the club, which is the only reason their books have balanced over the last few seasons and no doubt the Europa league money will help over the next few years, but the day will come eventually where there is no European money and no super rich benefactor, that is inevitable ... what will 8.000 folk be able to do then? I do not believe Scottish clubs, even of the size of Hibs, Hearts or Aberdeen have fanbases big enough to do anything other than maintain a club for the community operating within a punitively managed fiscal framework of absolutely no debt and no lavish spending when you do make some money.

Anyway, that's my tuppence worth ... Just walk away, no I doubt that will help anybody, actively look for an owner who can fulfill the undoubted potential of the club ... absolutely.

[jeffers]

I’ve asked this question before. It could well be my mind is playing tricks on me but I was sure I heard RG say at an AGM that he did receive an offer to buy the club.

[Scotty Leither]

He talks a good game. After being turned down by Dundee United I bet he couldn’t believe his luck when he was tipped off or was made aware that we might be up for grabs.

Big city club, decent support and infrastructure, probably the biggest team in Scotland he could get his mitts on outside the Old Firm.

Delivered on the commercial side and ground revamp, woefully underestimated the competitive nature of the league, burned through managers and compounded it all by putting his laddie in charge of recruitment, an appointment which which has resulted in a procession of untried youngsters & no marks, and driven a wedge between the club and the fans/manager as to precisely who scouts and signs these players.

If he bins another manager then his own credibility is shot IMO, and he’ll need to eat a huge amount of humble pie in admitting he’s got it wrong, AGAIN.

I suspect we’ll wait a while on any contrition though, we’re more likely to hear him and his lackeys ask us for more money first.