Relegation

[truehibernian]

That’s where this side are heading.

Disharmony across the board, passive ‘leaders’ on and off the pitch, no direction, no sense of unity, no desire to really compete, players who have no character or will to win.

That’s where we are heading. Fast.

[Vault Boy]

It’s a real threat and to deny so would be, unfortunately, delusional.

[SHODAN]

Get in a troubleshooter (McInnes?) and avoid relegation this season. Clear out after that.

[GreenCastle]

Next 3 games are massive..

For league survival v Motherwell and Utd.

Cup game v Hearts.

Get a new manager in now and at least give us a chance.

Knowing Hibs they will wait till after these 3 games then change it meaning new manager can’t get the January window.

[Onceinawhile]

Definitely a possibility. We are bottom 6 for sure. Just got to hope Ross county and St johnstone continue to be dog meat.

[Since90+2]

Get in a troubleshooter (McInnes?) and avoid relegation this season. Clear out after that.

It would cost a decent amount of money to sack Johnson and his back room team, then pay compensation for McInnes and his team.

McInnes should have been appointed in the first place. Was the correct manager staring us in the face.

[B.H.F.C]

Anybody that comes on and says it’s not a possibility needs their head tested IMO.

Read loads of comments about us not actually being that bad but we can’t score (how the hell we didn’t score today) and we lose a goal nearly every time a team attacks.

[CMac1988]

Posted elsewhere but we're at the bottom of the form table.

https://thefishy.co.uk/formtable.php?table=10

That's why the manager needs to go. We can't afford to do the usual Hibs thing and 'hope' for things to get better.

If Motherwell beat us it's a stick on and right now I don't think we can beat anyone unless they go a man down.

[sleeping giant]

If we don't sign a couple of first team starters this window , we will be in the mix for sure.

[SiinDubai]

Hate to say it however I think we are in a far worse position than the last time we went down.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Hate to say it however I think we are in a far worse position than the last time we went down.

Nah no chance, we’re ***** but at least our captain isn’t Liam Craig and we don’t have Michael Nelson or Owain Tudor-Jones on the books. If we go down we’ll come straight back up with a decent manager.


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[BoomtownHibees]

Nah no chance, we’re ***** but at least our captain isn’t Liam Craig and we don’t have Michael Nelson or Owain Tudor-Jones on the books. If we go down we’ll come straight back up with a decent manager.


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That’s awrite then

[HibeeSince85]

Get in a troubleshooter (McInnes?) and avoid relegation this season. Clear out after that.

What's Big Sam doing these days?..i wish I was joking.

[Roxyhibee]

Anyone who doesn’t think we are heading for relegation needs to rapidly get their head out their arse. We have a manager who seems to not want to be here anymore, a team full of below average players, no characters, a piss weak captain and ‘club legends’ way past their sell by date hanging around both on and off the park. We are a disaster.

And the reason we should know this.? We have just been spanked by our bang average rivals. They are not like the Hearts teams of the past spending multi millions way out of their budget where we understandably couldn’t compete and had something to rationalise results like todays. We are stale, bottle merchants and toothless. United and County are seeing some hope now.

[Greencore]

We will definitely be in the playoffs.

OUR DEFENCE IS MURDER AND ALL OF SCOTLAND KNOW IT.

[Baader]

Worrying signs and too many parallels to how it's gone before. Usually teams that go down have bloated squads not thin ones. A sign of mismanagement. We certainly have that.

[DaveF]

Having just read his post match comments on the other thread, it's Butcher time all over again.

Either LJ goes or half the squad goes on January. Otherwise we are 100% doomed.

[Rob]

Definitely a possibility. We are bottom 6 for sure. Just got to hope Ross county and St johnstone continue to be dog meat.
St Johnstone are currently above us. For sure we have to hope that Ross County secure bottom spot, then we're battling with a bunch of teams to avoid the play off spot. Given that two of those currently below us are Motherwell and United, then our next two league games are vitally important. Win them both then I think we put enough daylight between us and them to put aside relegation talk, lose them both and we are right in it.

[Glory Lurker]

We are swirling round the plug hole. We have no team spirit, no leadership on or off the park.

It is nothing short of a disgrace that we are having this conversation again.

[Pretty Boy]

We must be close to the worst team in the league in the form table (and given how bad the league is even being bottom 6 is a worry).

Even changing the manager won't make all that much of a difference. We are in big bother and anyone saying otherwise is delusional.

[Sir David Gray]

We must be close to the worst team in the league in the form table (and given how bad the league is even being bottom 6 is a worry).

Even changing the manager won't make all that much of a difference. We are in big bother and anyone saying otherwise is delusional.

We're bottom over the last 11 matches.

P - 11
W - 2
D - 0
L - 9
F - 12
A - 26
PTS - 6

We're bottom by 3 points - the next worst side is Motherwell who we happen to be playing next week and who have only won once at home in the league all season.

Wonder which side they would choose to play next?

[Hibs90]

We're bottom over the last 11 matches.

P - 11
W - 2
D - 0
L - 9
F - 12
A - 26
PTS - 6

We're bottom by 3 points - the next worst side is Motherwell who we happen to be playing next week and who have only won once at home in the league all season.

Wonder which side they would choose to play next?

Your last point is Hibs in a nutshell :greengrin

[Gatecrasher]

We're now so bad we're skipping steps in the hibs cycle. It's normally like,

**** - rebuild - good period - mediocrity - back to ****

We are now

**** - rebuild - mediocrity -****

[Broken Gnome]

There's a chance there are teams worse than us between now and the end of the season, but I'm not sure we are consistently better than anyone else in the league - if that makes sense.

Either way, we are hideously overpriced at 80/1 to go down. That makes us apparently 40 times less likely to be relegated that Dundee United. Given Hibs show very little in the way of winning football games when the merest hint of adversity arises (and I include not being given the gift of a red card in that) then I don't quite see that myself.

[wookie70]

Posted elsewhere but we're at the bottom of the form table.

https://thefishy.co.uk/formtable.php?table=10

That's why the manager needs to go. We can't afford to do the usual Hibs thing and 'hope' for things to get better.

If Motherwell beat us it's a stick on and right now I don't think we can beat anyone unless they go a man down.

Only our home form is stopping us being bottom of all four tables on that page. We have been very lucky that our form has coincided with the teams around us having similar runs and teh team that was miles off, Dundee Utd, going on a decent run but not enough to overtake us. We are the epitome of relegation form in terms of results, confidence, organisation, cheap goals, missing chances etc. If nothing changes in teh next three games we will be in all sorts of bother and not have a window to sort it out.

[green day]

Bizarrely, we were 20/1 Skybet to have a bottom 2 finish a few weeks ago.........and now it's 25/1 !

[mcohibs]

Teams below us will be rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing us. A clueless manager, a squad full of dross, no leadership on or off the park and gross mismanagement at board level coupled with piss poor recruitment. And, as always, we’re soft as ****.

We’re an utter shambles. Anyone not concerned about relegation needs to get their head out of the sand now.

[Sir David Gray]

I don't think we can completely dismiss the idea of relegation.

We are only 4 points above the play off spot, are the worst team in the league over more than half of the season that's been played so far and have 4 fewer points than at the same stage in 13/14 when we were last relegated (and 9 points nearer to the play off spot too with two of the four teams currently below us with a game in hand).

Add in the fact that we seriously struggle to beat teams who don't get a man sent off and it all adds up to a pretty worrying conclusion.

I still think we'll have enough to stay up but we really need a couple of wins in our next two matches. A loss at Fir Park on Sunday will have me seriously concerned.

[Lago]

It's certainly possible, certain similarities to the Butcher season.

[B.H.F.C]

It's certainly possible, certain similarities to the Butcher season.

The one difference for me is that the rot has set in a bit earlier and we have a chance to do something about it.

But in terms of the way we’re playing, the similarities with the squad and now the manager basically saying they’re all pish, it’s not much different.

[JimBHibees]

There's a chance there are teams worse than us between now and the end of the season, but I'm not sure we are consistently better than anyone else in the league - if that makes sense.

Either way, we are hideously overpriced at 80/1 to go down. That makes us apparently 40 times less likely to be relegated that Dundee United. Given Hibs show very little in the way of winning football games when the merest hint of adversity arises (and I include not being given the gift of a red card in that) then I don't quite see that myself.

From the highlights of United recently think they are definitely better than us.

[Lago]

The one difference for me is that the rot has set in a bit earlier and we have a chance to do something about it.

But in terms of the way we’re playing, the similarities with the squad and now the manager basically saying they’re all pish, it’s not much different.
I take your point re earlier start to the rot, let's hope it can be contained.

[heretoday]

I don't think we'll go down. Need some spine in the team.

[hibsforeurope]

The one difference for me is that the rot has set in a bit earlier and we have a chance to do something about it.

But in terms of the way we’re playing, the similarities with the squad and now the manager basically saying they’re all pish, it’s not much different.

The rot set in over 12 months ago and we’ve not managed to fix it yet. Big few weeks ahead.

[Glory Lurker]

I don't think we'll go down. Need some spine in the team.

February 2014 wants its post back :-)

[snedzuk]

St Johnstone are currently above us. For sure we have to hope that Ross County secure bottom spot, then we're battling with a bunch of teams to avoid the play off spot. Given that two of those currently below us are Motherwell and United, then our next two league games are vitally important. Win them both then I think we put enough daylight between us and them to put aside relegation talk, lose them both and we are right in it.

Ross County came away from Pittodrie today with a point. Last time we went there we lost 4-1.

[ekhibee]

What is just as worrying, in the long term, is the loss of fans. More and more people will have seen at least a few really toothless performances from the team they have supported loyally for years, in some cases decades. I've always thought Leann Dempster left Hibs satisfied that her job was done and she was leaving the club in good hands. But it now looks very like the opposite. The club at the moment is a shambles from the top down, and as others have posted already, there is a very real possibility that on current form we will be involved in the playoffs.

[jeffers]

I remember posting ages ago that relegation depended on who we got to replace Johnson. I wasn’t really joking, but get it wrong and it’s a definite possibility.

[Waxy]

Really dont think we are in any way as bad as the Butcher scenario.

[flash]

Ross County came away from Pittodrie today with a point. Last time we went there we lost 4-1.

Is that how it works?

[Leith Green]

There's a chance there are teams worse than us between now and the end of the season, but I'm not sure we are consistently better than anyone else in the league - if that makes sense.

Either way, we are hideously overpriced at 80/1 to go down. That makes us apparently 40 times less likely to be relegated that Dundee United. Given Hibs show very little in the way of winning football games when the merest hint of adversity arises (and I include not being given the gift of a red card in that) then I don't quite see that myself.


Ron Gordon should be lumping on large if he has a knowledge of scottish football. Oh wait a minute 🤔

[Since452]

I don't think we'll go down. It's not even on my radar to be honest. I'm more concerned about being so far behind Hearts quality wise. That gap will get even bigger with them being in Europe again next season in all probability and the millions that come with it. There will soon be a gulf between us if there isn't already.

[Leith Green]

Really dont think we are in any way as bad as the Butcher scenario.


Its like a small ***** competition though , if we are being honest. For the record 2014 was a 2 incher . this season is a 3 inch wonder in its full glory this far , plenty time for a little movement

[madhatter]

We should not be so arrogant to dismiss it. Think that reflects temperament within the club as well - players that are comfortable and not really improving year on year. Players that have come on loan or signed for some money that look like amateurs but don't appear to have the drive to further themselves (even though clear in flashes they have some talent). They are at Hibs so by default are better than other team's players seems to be the attitude. Except when we come against Celtic and Rangers, that seems to be an acceptable loss now. Gulf seems to be the talk. If I was a player and routinely considered gulf against oppositions in the league then I'd probably look to improve so there wasn't a gulf or look to get a transfer. If you don't find a way to improve your footballing career is only going one way anyway.

Thinking we are Hibs and on paper have better players than other teams will only end up one way. I agree with Johnson, the players not having that drive to be the best player on the park for 90mins is becoming factual. Always seem to turn it on when losing and the game is effectively over. I'm sure we had a similar plight while Stubbs was in charge, Lennon was in charge, Jack Ross teams were renowned for 45mins of decent play. This is culture, it is a disease and the source needs to be found eventually if we are to improve as a club.

I used Doig as an example on another thread. He broke through lightweight and got pushed around, next season what happened? He came back looking really lean and muscular, really athletic. What do our other pros do season on season? Says it all that rightly or wrongly Hanlon and Stevenson have a "you know what you get with them" chat attributed to them. What you get is exactly what we got from them 10 years ago. They haven't really improved as players. Not noticeably anyway. They haven't went from standard SPL players to seasoned internationalists.

This "We are Hibs, other teams are worse than us" stuff has to end. We are only as good as we are on the park, and we are rubbish. That goes to the players as well, because you turn up at away grounds and there is only 5k fans doesn't mean "oh, we're a bigger club so this should be relatively easy". You need to work, you need to improve. Paper and stature of the club mean nothing.

We need a siege mentality. We are in a relegation fight until we are in a legitimate fight for 3rd.

[bigwheel]

I’d say we are currently already in a relegation fight…..we can change that but winning some decent points..but currently our trajectory is only one way


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Not sure what I would do, if we ended up relegated again. I stuck with it for the three years last time, but I'm not sure I would re-new for another season or more in the Championship. It's horrible, and I don't know whether I would put myself through it. We were promised a new vision, in order to avoid it happening again. If the club does it allow it to happen again, I can see crowds plummeting.

[The Spaceman]

Really dont think we are in any way as bad as the Butcher scenario.

Where I’m at. We are much of a muchness with most other teams below third - capable of good performances and capable of a shocker. We won’t be going down either way.

[greenlex]

Everyone outside Rangers or Celtic are much of a muchness. I include Hearts in that. We are the firm team for the chop so on that basis we are certainly in a scrap. Having said that a run of wins an you shout up the fable as everyone else beats each other. We don’t seem capable of putting a run of wins together. Next two games are massive.

[Carheenlea]

How many points are we from safety do we think?

[B.H.F.C]

How many points are we from safety do we think?

I’d say about 15 or so.

[Sir David Gray]

How many points are we from safety do we think?


I’d say about 15 or so.

No team has needed more than 37 points to avoid the play off spot since it became a thing in 13/14.

The average number of points required to finish 10th has been just under 36 points so 13 more points should be enough.

Having said that the 19 points that Dundee Utd currently have is the highest total a second bottom team has had after 19 matches since the play offs came in so perhaps a few more points will be required this year.

I certainly think another 15 points should be sufficient.

[Carheenlea]

I’d say about 15 or so.


No team has needed more than 37 points to avoid the play off spot since it became a thing in 13/14.

The average number of points required to finish 10th has been just under 36 points so 13 more points should be enough.

Having said that the 19 points that Dundee Utd currently have is the highest total a second bottom team has had after 19 matches since the play offs came in so perhaps a few more points will be required this year.

I certainly think another 15 points should be sufficient.

Thanks - should be well within our capabilities but form says otherwise.

Going to be a tense few weeks ahead, but hopefully we can push away.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think he does need to go, even though i dont think he should. He's lost the players, and we are in a relegation fight now, irrespective of how many points we are off 3rd place.:rolleyes:

A new man just might get a bit more fight from this lot, and 3 or 4 signings might also help, but LJ is a dead man walking and nobody is taking any notice of what he's saying anymore.

All this depends on the ******** in charge employing the right man, and letting him manage how he wants to manage though.

[B.H.F.C]

Thanks - should be well within our capabilities but form says otherwise.

Going to be a tense few weeks ahead, but hopefully we can push away.

Next two games huge as they’re against the team who are below us. No wins in either and we’re in deep trouble, both played a game less as well.

[loanheadhibby]

Everyone outside Rangers or Celtic are much of a muchness. I include Hearts in that. We are the firm team for the chop so on that basis we are certainly in a scrap. Having said that a run of wins an you shout up the fable as everyone else beats each other. We don’t seem capable of putting a run of wins together. Next two games are massive.

Do you really include Hearts in your much of a muchness remark.
They will finish 15-18 points ahead of us.
Do you realise how bad we are - we have absolutely nothing on the park.

[He's here!]

I don't think we'll go down. It's not even on my radar to be honest. I'm more concerned about being so far behind Hearts quality wise. That gap will get even bigger with them being in Europe again next season in all probability and the millions that come with it. There will soon be a gulf between us if there isn't already.

We're only 4 points above a play-off spot and a resurgent United have a game in hand on us. Relegation is very much on the radar.

[He's here!]

Do you really include Hearts in your much of a muchness remark.
They will finish 15-18 points ahead of us.
Do you realise how bad we are - we have absolutely nothing on the park.

They'll finish more than 20 points ahead of us. They've well and truly righted their ship after a shambolic few years and are stronger than us in all respects.

[Sir David Gray]

They'll finish more than 20 points ahead of us. They've well and truly righted their ship after a shambolic few years and are stronger than us in all respects.

Not sure it will be more than 20 but it will certainly be enough of a gap to be of real concern to everyone at Hibs.

[RIP]

Do you really include Hearts in your much of a muchness remark.
They will finish 15-18 points ahead of us.
Do you realise how bad we are - we have absolutely nothing on the park.

You really must stop posting about Hearts. This season particularly 😄

[WestCoastHibby]

We are swirling round the plug hole. We have no team spirit, no leadership on or off the park.

It is nothing short of a disgrace that we are having this conversation again.

“Again”…….exactly!!

[Stuart93]

You really must stop posting about Hearts. This season particularly 😄

Why? Our direct rivals?

If we obsessed about them as much as they do us we’d actually maybe do a bit better in games against them. Beating us is everything to them and I wish that was the same vice versa.

I’m completely jealous of their fans getting to experience a European group stage adventure whilst we were sat at home licking our lips thinking we’d take advantage of it in the league. That’s turned out well.

[greenlex]

Do you really include Hearts in your much of a muchness remark.
They will finish 15-18 points ahead of us.
Do you realise how bad we are - we have absolutely nothing on the park.
Yes I do. They are currently a whole 8 points ahead and we’re had an abysmal run in the last dozen games or so. They aren’t that much better than the rest. We’re not very good but your absolutely nothing on the park remark is of the mark.

[pacoluna]

According to posters on this..

Lennon was on way to getting us relegated
Hecky was on way to getting us relegated
Ross was on way to getting us relegated
Maloney was on way to getting us relegated

[malagahibby]

Again the massive pressure /spin from the press and media against Hibs.
We are 3 points of 4th place with 18 games to play.
Nine teams are in that mix and of course only one team is singled out .
Need a bit of siege mentality from now on in.
Clarke was their mom on Monday and how the heck does devliin make 4 fouls before he is even spoken to -we need moaners around the ref as standard .
Big window needed with a couple of midfielders who can put the boot in and get in and around opponents to wind them up .

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yes I do. They are currently a whole 8 points ahead and we’re had an abysmal run in the last dozen games or so. They aren’t that much better than the rest. We’re not very good but your absolutely nothing on the park remark is of the mark.

They romped third last year and are now starting to pull away this year despite the fact they had European football to contend with for 3 months.

They’re not in the same bracket as the other 8 sadly imo.

[lyonhibs]

Nah no chance, we’re ***** but at least our captain isn’t Liam Craig and we don’t have Michael Nelson or Owain Tudor-Jones on the books. If we go down we’ll come straight back up with a decent manager.


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Referencing the absence of players now in their 40s as some sort of reason to assuage our fears of a relegation battle in 2023 makes absolutely no sense.

At this moment in time, in this form and with this phalanx of sub par players, relegation is a very real possibility

[WhileTheChief..]

According to posters on this..

Lennon was on way to getting us relegated
Hecky was on way to getting us relegated
Ross was on way to getting us relegated
Maloney was on way to getting us relegated


Nobody has said any of that.

[OldEast]

Nobody has said any of that.

Don't remember relegation talk under Lennon but knowing this place there might have been. As for the other three the possibility of getting dragged into a relegation battle was definitely spoken about.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

According to posters on this..

Lennon was on way to getting us relegated
Hecky was on way to getting us relegated
Ross was on way to getting us relegated
Maloney was on way to getting us relegated


You have forgotten to add that those of us who thought that Butcher couldn't get us into third place were defeatist bedwetters.

[MWHIBBIES]

According to posters on this..

Lennon was on way to getting us relegated
Hecky was on way to getting us relegated
Ross was on way to getting us relegated
Maloney was on way to getting us relegated

Yep. There is major PTSD from a bit of a freak relegation under butcher. I don't think it will happen again.

[MWHIBBIES]

Nobody has said any of that.

Without question, they did at the time. About all 4.

[Basildon Hibs]

It would cost a decent amount of money to sack Johnson and his back room team, then pay compensation for McInnes and his team.

McInnes should have been appointed in the first place. Was the correct manager staring us in the face.

But Ron's a multi millionaire isn't he..?
Mere pennies to him.

😉

[CabbageBoy]

No team has needed more than 37 points to avoid the play off spot since it became a thing in 13/14.

The average number of points required to finish 10th has been just under 36 points so 13 more points should be enough.

Having said that the 19 points that Dundee Utd currently have is the highest total a second bottom team has had after 19 matches since the play offs came in so perhaps a few more points will be required this year.

I certainly think another 15 points should be sufficient.

Given our league record, that means that we need around five more games with players sent off against us.

[neil7908]

You have forgotten to add that those of us who thought that Butcher couldn't get us into third place were defeatist bedwetters.

Hahaha yeah this.

[neil7908]

Yep. There is major PTSD from a bit of a freak relegation under butcher. I don't think it will happen again.

I agree I don't think it will happen again but we are bottom of the form table. And I didn't think it would happen under Butcher either...

We definitely can't dismiss the idea.

[cabbageandribs1875]

well i am super-confident we will win a play-off game v any championship side



this time :greengrin

[eastmainsmsh]

The lack of scoring and losing goals is concerning and a good january window but will Lee be here

[loanheadhibby]

Yes I do. They are currently a whole 8 points ahead and we’re had an abysmal run in the last dozen games or so. They aren’t that much better than the rest. We’re not very good but your absolutely nothing on the park remark is of the mark.

Do you actually watch any of the games?

[Bobby's Cinema]

Our away form is awful, It's quite possible we lose on Sunday and go into what becomes a very big game v Dundee Utd.
If our home form turns too and we lost the next 2 going into the derby it could get really ugly.

Although it's happening a bit earlier, there are definite parallel's with what's going on right now and what happened when we went down.

It's alright saying a few results and we'll be fine, but you actually have to go out and get them. It's not clear where they are coming from.
We've conceded the most goals of anyone in the league and out top scorer on 5 goals is out for the season. Alarm bells must be ringing :rolleyes:

[MWHIBBIES]

Our away form is awful, It's quite possible we lose on Sunday and go into what becomes a very big game v Dundee Utd.
If our home form turns too and we lost the next 2 going into the derby it could get really ugly.

Although it's happening a bit earlier, there are definite parallel's with what's going on right now and what happened when we went down.

It's alright saying a few results and we'll be fine, but you actually have to go out and get them. It's not clear where they are coming from.
We've conceded the most goals of anyone in the league and out top scorer on 5 goals is out for the season. Alarm bells must be ringing :rolleyes:

We did just batter Livi 4-0. We can get results. Yes, we're on a brutal run, but lets not pretend we never look like winning.

[The Modfather]

We did just batter Livi 4-0. We can get results. Yes, we're on a brutal run, but lets not pretend we never look like winning.

How many games we play against 10 men could be the deciding factor in staying clear of a relegation battle or not.

[JammyDoidger]

Least we might win a few games, shocking state of affairs.

[greenlex]

Do you actually watch any of the games?
Of course not.

[WhileTheChief..]

Without question, they did at the time. About all 4.

Maybe one or 2 posts, but to suggest that "Hibs net" was talking about relegation under Ross or Lennon is laughable.

Neither of them are remotely similar to Maloney or LJ - they're proper football mangaers.

[Bobby's Cinema]

We did just batter Livi 4-0. We can get results. Yes, we're on a brutal run, but lets not pretend we never look like winning.
9 defeats in 11. 3 defeats in 4 since the break, conceding 11 goals along the way. I thought we looked like winning at Pittodrie but we went down 4-1.

The manager openly says he wants 10 out so he can get 1 of first team quality in. A couple more defeats, a recurring Nisbet injury, It wouldn't take much at all from here for us to be right in the play-off mix. Something needs to change very quickly. Nothing to do with PTSD, just watching the evidence infront of me.

[Trinity Hibee]

I do worry what will happen is nisbet gets injured now. We’d be ruined

[B.H.F.C]

How many games we play against 10 men could be the deciding factor in staying clear of a relegation battle or not.

You’ll probably get a bit of stick for this post but it’s a completely valid point IMO. I think it’s 2 wins in 14, where the opposition have kept 11 on the pitch.

[jeffers]

You’ll probably get a bit of stick for this post but it’s a completely valid point IMO. I think it’s 2 wins in 14, where the opposition have kept 11 on the pitch.

He shouldn’t get the slightest bit of stick for his post. It’s a fact. People can talk all they want about our play resulting in the opposition getting players sent off (though at least a few of them were questionable). Yes we deserve credit for taking advantage of the situations but our win % against 11 men is pathetic.

[Sir David Gray]

You’ll probably get a bit of stick for this post but it’s a completely valid point IMO. I think it’s 2 wins in 14, where the opposition have kept 11 on the pitch.

:agree:

League games v 11 men;

P - 14
W - 2
D - 1
L - 11
F - 12
A - 30
PTS - 7

[Trinity Hibee]

:agree:

League games v 11 men;

P - 14
W - 2
D - 1
L - 11
F - 12
A - 30
PTS - 7

Jesus. Horrible stats

[Paulie Walnuts]

How many games we play against 10 men could be the deciding factor in staying clear of a relegation battle or not.

Absolutely.

People made out like it was a load of nonsense earlier in the season but it’s absolutely undeniable.

4 or 5 more red cards against us whilst not being behind should see us safe. If we don’t get them we’ll struggle.

[ekhibee]

Absolutely.

People made out like it was a load of nonsense earlier in the season but it’s absolutely undeniable.

4 or 5 more red cards against us whilst not being behind should see us safe. If we don’t get them we’ll struggle.

You are very probably right, but that's a really horrendous enditement on this team. Scary stuff.

[RIP]

Why? Our direct rivals?

If we obsessed about them as much as they do us we’d actually maybe do a bit better in games against them. Beating us is everything to them and I wish that was the same vice versa.

I’m completely jealous of their fans getting to experience a European group stage adventure whilst we were sat at home licking our lips thinking we’d take advantage of it in the league. That’s turned out well.

I was actually talking to 'LoanheadHibby' but my observation could equally apply to your posting history. Along with one or two other regular posters who've never found it necessary to complement any aspect of the club but keep reminding us how wonderful Hearts are.

I used to think that's what Jambokickback was for. Maybe I'm too old school. 😅

[He's here!]

Letter from multiple Everton fans' groups to their owner:

https://www.nsnow.co.uk/alltogethernow/

Worth pulling together something similar to send to Ron?

[Bridge hibs]

Letter from multiple Everton fans' groups to their owner:

https://www.nsnow.co.uk/alltogethernow/

Worth pulling together something similar to send to Ron?Go on then, let us know how it goes

[Hibee Daft]

Absolutely.

People made out like it was a load of nonsense earlier in the season but it’s absolutely undeniable.

4 or 5 more red cards against us whilst not being behind should see us safe. If we don’t get them we’ll struggle.

Boyle getting snapped in the Aberdeen game couldve been the start of his injury trouble. If there was no bad tackle and red card he might still be playing.

Loads of red carda just means our players are getting bad tackles which also causes injuries. Its not an advantage in the long run.