St Johnstone ticket arrangements v the hun

[weecounty hibby]

No idea how to post a link but St Johnstone have released a statement regarding the arrangements for their up game at home v the hun. Only the main stand for home fans and £30 per ticket. Most replies to their statement are pretty negative from their fans. Can't say I blame them

[Glory Lurker]

Scottish Cup game so they get half the cash. Makes perfect sense in the football world we live in.

[wallpaperman]

Can’t blame the club at all. The stands would otherwise be empty.

As we have pretty much all agreed, we are all fighting for the scraps and 3rd place is now the prize.

Might as well take as much cash off the OF firms as possible, different story if you could sell the tickets to your own fans.

Sorry, just the reality of the game up here.

[Billy Whizz]

No idea how to post a link but St Johnstone have released a statement regarding the arrangements for their up game at home v the hun. Only the main stand for home fans and £30 per ticket. Most replies to their statement are pretty negative from their fans. Can't say I blame them

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/scottish-cup-update-rangers-game

[Billy Whizz]

Can’t blame the club at all. The stands would otherwise be empty.

As we have pretty much all agreed, we are all fighting for the scraps and 3rd place is now the prize.

Might as well take as much cash off the OF firms as possible, different story if you could sell the tickets to your own fans.

Sorry, just the reality of the game up here.

Should we give Hearts half of the West for the Cup game, and I’m not having a pop at you?

[Broken Gnome]

Should we give Hearts half of the West for the Cup game, and I’m not having a pop at you?

There's a fine line/grey area out there, filling the void between acceptable common sense and embarrassment.

I'm not sure of the rules, but Hibs giving anyone more than 4,000 away tickets probably falls well into the latter category for Rangers/Celtic, and definitely does for Hearts.

[SHODAN]

If Hibs gave more of the stadium than we do now to the OF I wouldn't attend.

[Sir David Gray]

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/scottish-cup-update-rangers-game

I feel really sorry for any St Johnstone fan reading that.

No danger I would be happy with that if it was Hibs.

[Glory Lurker]

I can fully understand why hard cores Saintees will be upset about this, but it's a clash between fan idealism and commercial reality.

That doesn't make it alright. Not a bit. But that's what it is.

[Billy Whizz]

There's a fine line/grey area out there, filling the void between acceptable common sense and embarrassment.

I'm not sure of the rules, but Hibs giving anyone more than 4,000 away tickets probably falls well into the latter category for Rangers/Celtic, and definitely does for Hearts.

I think the rules are around min 20% of allocation for an away team in the Cup
St Johnstone must have taken the view that Rangers will sell the 3 other stands which will be around 7000 fans

[Glory Lurker]

If Hibs gave more of the stadium than we do now to the OF I wouldn't attend.

We won't. Our situation is incomparable to StJ's. They can't fill two stands on a good day. That's not their fault and I have full sympathy with StJ fans. The problem is the buses that leave Perth for Ibrox and parkhead, plus the setee-cheeks.

[wallpaperman]

Should we give Hearts half of the West for the Cup game, and I’m not having a pop at you?

Of course not, we won’t have swathes of unsold seats, it will either sell out of be close to it.

In a scenario where our stadium was far bigger than required for our own fans, then I would give the opposition more tickets.

[Carheenlea]

They could ask the tens of thousands of St Johnstone “fans” who rock up at Hampden for finals to maybe attend the odd few games more at McDairmid before just giving up the ghost completely.

[Broken Gnome]

I think the rules are around min 20% of allocation for an away team in the Cup
St Johnstone must have taken the view that Rangers will sell the 3 other stands which will be around 7000 fans

Ah I didn't mean ACTUAL rules, more the rules on what is and isn't to be tolerated by Hibs fans.

[Since452]

They could ask the tens of thousands of St Johnstone “fans” who rock up at Hampden for finals to maybe attend the odd few games more at McDairmid before just giving up the ghost completely.

Been a long time since St Johnstone fans attended a final at Hampden. Not sure they ever have.

[Sir David Gray]

I think the rules are around min 20% of allocation for an away team in the Cup
St Johnstone must have taken the view that Rangers will sell the 3 other stands which will be around 7000 fans

Yes the rules state away teams must be given an allocation of at least 20% of the home stadium for Scottish Cup ties. For St Johnstone that would be around 2,000 tickets (or one of the stands behind the goal).

They're essentially giving Rangers around 70% of their stadium which is a really sad indictment on the position they find themselves but they just don't have the fans to fill the stadium themselves.

It would be like us giving 14,000 tickets to an away team for a match at Easter Road.

[Pretty Boy]

What did they have at Celtic Park when they won the Scottish Cup against Dundee Utd? 12K? 15K?

Where are all those fans for this game or any other game at which they barely scrape 1500 home fans? I know some will travel from abroad, some will have taken family etc etc but there will be a sizable number who are choosing not to go every week.

I'm all for having a pop at Rangers and Celtic but if a teams own fans won't turn out to support them then what are they supposed to do? I'd gladly cut the allocation of Rangers and Celtic at ER if I had any faith the additional 8-10K Hibs fans who want tickets for cup finals would fill the seats.

Those 2 are both cause and symptom of a lot of the problems in Scottish football but fans of and those running the other clubs need to take a bit responsiblity as well. We let them call the shots and those who don't turn up to support their team make it easy for a club like St Johnstone to make this kind of decision.

[Sir David Gray]

Scottish Cup game so they get half the cash. Makes perfect sense in the football world we live in.

It makes less sense than it would for a league game where they would actually retain full gate receipts. For this game they need to give half of the gate money to Rangers.

[.Sean.]

Not caring what anyone says, that’s beyond embarrassing. Is there another country in the world where certain ‘competing’ teams are so reliant on big away followings just so they can go about their business? Surely any sane St Johnstone supporter is fuming at this

[Billy Whizz]

It makes less sense than it would for a league game where they would actually retain full gate receipts. For this game they need to give half of the gate money to Rangers.

It’s not quite as straight forward as that, but I get your point

33.3 Except when a Match is played on a Neutral Ground, the monies received from all admission charges to a Match in any Round other than the Preliminary Round(s) (if applicable), Round One, Round Two, Round Three, the Semi-Final Matches and the Final Match, shall be divided as follows:
33.3.1 a levy of 5% of the monies received from all admission charges to the Match shall be paid to the Scottish FA within three days of the date on which the Match is played;
33.3.2 the Home Club shall be entitled to make a deduction of 20% from the gross receipts;
33.3.3 when, after payment of the levy and of the deduction foresaid, half of the remainder of the receipts exceeds the guarantee, the said remainder of the receipts shall be divided, equally, between the two competing Clubs;
33.3.4 when, after payment of the levy and of the deduction foresaid, half of the said remainder of the receipts does not exceed the guarantee, the Away Club shall only receive the guarantee

[Sir David Gray]

Not caring what anyone says, that’s beyond embarrassing. Is there another country in the world where certain ‘competing’ teams are so reliant on big away followings just so they can go about their business? Surely any sane St Johnstone supporter is fuming at this

I can't imagine there's too many top flight clubs from other countries who give 70% of their home stadium's capacity over to their opponents.

[Glory Lurker]

It makes less sense than it would for a league game where they would actually retain full gate receipts. For this game they need to give half of the gate money to Rangers.

If they only gave to the zombies one stand it would be even worse for them.

I'm not saying it's cool. It isn't.

[HH81]

Don't they give Hibs 2.5 stands anyway so not much more than normal?

[davhibby]

Scottish Cup game so they get half the cash. Makes perfect sense in the football world we live in.

That surely makes the opposite point that you think it does. If St J got to fleece 3 stands of rangers fans £30 a ticket and kept all the money themselves it would possibly make a bit of sense.

By the looks of the response to what they’ve done they’ll be lucky if there’s more than a few hundred of their own fans at the game which they now have no chance of winning and they have to give the huns half of the money from the tickets.

[Pretty Boy]

That surely makes the opposite point that you think it does. If St J got to fleece 3 stands of rangers fans £30 a ticket and kept all the money themselves it would possibly make a bit of sense.

By the looks of the response to what they’ve done they’ll be lucky if there’s more than a few hundred of their own fans at the game which they now have no chance of winning and they have to give the huns half of the money from the tickets.

From a business point of view St Johnstone will be thinking that half of 9500 people at £30 a pop is more money than half of 5000 people at £30 a pop with 2 stands sitting half empty.

I don't like it but if their own fans won't turn up then keeping an additional £70K of the opposition's fans money makes business sense. In the most simplistic terms that's a player on £1300 a week for a season they otherwise couldn't afford.

[IberianHibernian]

I can't imagine there's too many top flight clubs from other countries who give 70% of their home stadium's capacity over to their opponents.Can`t be many teams in say top 10 or 12 European leagues from towns as small as Perth . Considering proximity to Dundee , Fife and Edinburgh ( there seem to be quite a few Hibs fans from there ) as well as usual Old Firm support , St Johnstone crowds are actually quite impressive though they seem to be a bit smaller than a few years ago .

[ben johnson]

They could ask the tens of thousands of St Johnstone “fans” who rock up at Hampden for finals to maybe attend the odd few games more at McDairmid before just giving up the ghost completely.

My wife’s cousins are all from Pitlochry area and one is a home and away Saints fan. His brother lives in Edinburgh and is a Celtic fan
The Edinburgh brother decided he would travel up to Pitlochry and go on his brothers bus to the final at Parkhead A large number of his ex school mates were also on the bus
His brother refused him a seat telling him he did not deserve to be on the bus
and to make his own way to the game.

[Hibernia&Alba]

From a financial perspective, I don't blame them. Yes, it will be like a home game for Rangers, but it's an opportunity for St J to make some big money on the day. It's a dilemma for them, but the seats would otherwise be empty.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Been a long time since St Johnstone fans attended a final at Hampden. Not sure they ever have.

Has it?

[He's here!]

That surely makes the opposite point that you think it does. If St J got to fleece 3 stands of rangers fans £30 a ticket and kept all the money themselves it would possibly make a bit of sense.

By the looks of the response to what they’ve done they’ll be lucky if there’s more than a few hundred of their own fans at the game which they now have no chance of winning and they have to give the huns half of the money from the tickets.

A big Rangers support doesn't mean Saints have no chance of winning. We took nearly 40k to the 2004 League Cup final and still lost to Livi, who had about 6k there. On the flip side we only took about 6k to the semi-final v the huns that season and beat them. The atmosphere was arguably better when we were down to just the diehards.

I don't really see the big deal here. Pretty sure Saints have done this before, while Livi regularly open up bigger areas for away fans than home fans.

How many Hibs fans were actually in the ground v Celtic the other night? Significantly less than the official attendance - and there were probably less than 2k still there for the final 20 minutes or so. When we're not playing well enough to pull the fans in I wouldn't be averse to giving another stand to Celtic or Rangers in order to make more cash.

[Eyrie]

The problem here isn't St Johnstone giving Sevco most of the tickets, the problem is that there are too many football fans in the Perth area who want to follow an Ugly Sister or English football rather than their local team.

There will be some of the former who have a long standing family allegiance to Celtc or Sevco but most are simply glory hunters more interested in their Sky subscription than supporting a football team.