Confirmed, Porteous won't sign new contract.

[Smartie]

It is. We're going backwards. The squad gets worse with every window.

This group of players are average at best.

As for Porteous, he's got potential but he's not kicked on this season. In fact, he's been poor this season.

When you consider that within the past 2 years we've had a squad - imperfect as it was - good enough to finish 3rd, and you consider how poor much of the football we've played over the past 12 months has been, it's hard to make any sort of an argument that we aren't in freefall, whether it's over half a dozen games or a year and a bit.

[Since452]

It's not in free fall!

I don't think the club as a whole are in freefall. Far from it. Off the park we appear to be doing very well. The team are struggling badly at the moment though. There was the issue earlier in the season that we weren't scoring enough goals for all the chances we created. We were seeing games over the line though and there were a lot of positive aspects of our play. The problem now is teams know how to play against us as and we just don't look like scoring. We also look soft as **** mentality wise. Hopefully Nisbet and McGeady help a little bit but we really need to pull a rabbit out the hat in January. I worry about these winter games where a serious bit of fight is needed to win on crappy pitches in horrible weather.

Concerning how we can go from the level we played utterly rag dolling Aberdeen to the dross against Ross County. Alarming difference.

[GreenPJ]

Fish would only be a short term replacement till his loan is up. Building a team around loanees will never get us any long term success.

He would at least get us to the summer where there would be more options or who is to say he himself would not become available.

[Ozyhibby]

Reading this thread it appears that Porto is both rubbish and should have been given a 5 year contract.[emoji106]


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[basehibby]

No hibs fan who plays for hibs would not sign a contract to get their boyhood heros cash. Even Jason Cummings (jambo) signed a new contract to get us cash. On the condition if an English club came in for a certain amount we wouldn't stand in his way. Boys a snake. Let him rott.

Erm what about Deeks?!?

I was fuming when he went to Celtic for nowt - turns out Hibs were offering him peanuts at the time and he would have been foolish not to move when he did. Don't know what's the score with Porto but it's a professional game and he has to look after his own interests. I think perhaps the reason for the delay with his decision is that it was far from an easy one to make as a Hibs fan.

If it turns out he's going to one of the gruesome twosome then a deal must be concluded in Jan - no ifs or buts. Ideally that will be the case anyway as he'll be unsettled and may lack commitment.

[I'm Spartacus]

Reading this thread it appears that Porto is both rubbish and should have been given a 5 year contract.[emoji106]


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He's *****, given him a 5 year deal and sell him in January"

The question is, should we plan better and be prepared to sell the window before the Bosman window? (which was only 4 months ago).

[WhileTheChief..]

It’s just more bad news to add to our really crap season.

Wish this season was over with already. If we can avoid the bottom 2 I’ll be relieved.

Hopefully a new manager and players in the summer. Again.

[Dr What If?]

January will be interesting, clubs will know we are willing to sell now and that they won't need to break the bank. Question is, how many clubs want him? If there is a queue of EPL/Championship clubs then the return might still be decent, or it could be OF on a Bosman. History shows that when the OF pick up Scottish bargains they tend not to get a lot of game time.
FWIW I think he is one of the best footballing CBs Scotland have but seems to lack the maturity for such an important role.....Hibs need to take some responsibility in how we have coached/developed him but in the right environment he will be worth multiple times the £1m Millwall were reportedly willing to part with.

[Rumble de Thump]

I'd prefer us to agree a sell on percentage rather than worry too much about getting a fee. If we can get both in January that would be decent.

[Alfred E Newman]

He would at least get us to the summer where there would be more options or who is to say he himself would not become available.

Or he would be replaced by another loan player.
The problem is that we would only be able to sign him on a permanent deal if he wasn't rated good enough by his parent club. If he did shine between now and the end of the season he would probably be recalled or loaned out to a bigger club than us and then we are back to square one.
It's a vicious circle.

[Keepthefaith]

I'd prefer us to agree a sell on percentage rather than worry too much about getting a fee. If we can get both in January that would be decent.

I agree, reckon he'll push on down south and might, just might develop into the 10 million pound player I think he has the potential to be!

[JimBHibees]

Reading this thread it appears that Porto is both rubbish and should have been given a 5 year contract.[emoji106]


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Indeed

[theonlywayisup]

I'd prefer us to agree a sell on percentage rather than worry too much about getting a fee. If we can get both in January that would be decent.

Why would any club agree to a sell-on percentage when they can get him for nothing in the summer?

[Rumble de Thump]

Why would any club agree to a sell-on percentage when they can get him for nothing in the summer?

So they can get him in January. I think Celtic fans said something similar about John McGinn.

[Smartie]

Why would any club agree to a sell-on percentage when they can get him for nothing in the summer?

Because they might be in a dire situation themselves, needing a centre half urgently in order to help stop them dropping into a division Porto would be less likely to move to in the summer?

[blackpoolhibs]

Why would any club agree to a sell-on percentage when they can get him for nothing in the summer?
:agree: And my take is Ryan knows where he's going, it's just when not if.

I cant see him agreeing to any clause if it's going to do him out of a fair bit of money, i think he will just see out his contract if the deal is not right for him.

[Rumble de Thump]

:agree: And my take is Ryan knows where he's going, it's just when not if.

I cant see him agreeing to any clause if it's going to do him out of a fair bit of money, i think he will just see out his contract if the deal is not right for him.

The clause woould be between the two clubs.

[blackpoolhibs]

The clause woould be between the two clubs.
Not if he doesnt sign one.

[Rumble de Thump]

Not if he doesnt sign one.

Sign one of what?

[Bostonhibby]

Sign one of what?A contract that contains the clause in question?

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[Spudster]

Why would any club agree to a sell-on percentage when they can get him for nothing in the summer?

Get him in January for free/small fee with a sell on Vs wait till the summer for free

[Rumble de Thump]

A contract that contains the clause in question?

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Unless he's planning to buy himself he wouldn't be involved in that.

[Bostonhibby]

Unless he's planning to buy himself he wouldn't be involved in that.A secondary contract or clause (conditional on Ryan signing for his new club) would only come into play if he signed the primary or main contract?

If the main contract contained a clause that cost him money or reduced the value of the contract to him his agent wouldn't be a very good agent if he let him sign it.

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[Iain G]

A secondary contract or clause (conditional on Ryan signing for his new club) would only come into play if he signed the primary or main contract?

If the main contract contained a clause that cost him money or reduced the value of the contract to him his agent wouldn't be a very good agent if he let him sign it.

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It would be a clause in a deal between Hibs and the buying club, a small fee and a sell on clause perhaps. It would be nothing to do with whatever contract Ryan signs with them.

[Bostonhibby]

It would be a clause in a deal between Hibs and the buying club, a small fee and a sell on clause perhaps. It would be nothing to do with whatever contract Ryan signs with them.[emoji106] I struggle with the idea that if Ryan agrees to join another club for the best deal he can get them to agree to they would then want to sign a separate deal to give Hibs something extra at any stage, if they don't have to.

I can see that Hibs have some leverage until his contract actually expires but again, if Ryan doesn't sign the primary deal with a new club before his Hibs contract expires a clause or any side arrangement isnt possible.

I think I agreed Blackpoolhibs point, still do.

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[blackpoolhibs]

[emoji106] I struggle with the idea that if Ryan agrees to join another club for the best deal he can get them to agree to they would then want to sign a separate deal to give Hibs something extra at any stage, if they don't have to.

I can see that Hibs have some leverage until his contract actually expires but again, if Ryan doesn't sign the primary deal with a new club before his Hibs contract expires a clause or any side arrangement isnt possible.

I think I agreed Blackpoolhibs point, still do.

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Exactly.:agree:

[theonlywayisup]

:agree: And my take is Ryan knows where he's going, it's just when not if.

I cant see him agreeing to any clause if it's going to do him out of a fair bit of money, i think he will just see out his contract if the deal is not right for him.

That's my thoughts as well.

[Iain G]

I hope he goes to Porto, just for the amusement 🤣

[Rumble de Thump]

[emoji106] I struggle with the idea that if Ryan agrees to join another club for the best deal he can get them to agree to they would then want to sign a separate deal to give Hibs something extra at any stage, if they don't have to.

I can see that Hibs have some leverage until his contract actually expires but again, if Ryan doesn't sign the primary deal with a new club before his Hibs contract expires a clause or any side arrangement isnt possible.

I think I agreed Blackpoolhibs point, still do.

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It's very common. If a club is happy to wait until the summer to be able to play him then they won't need to offer Hibs anything. If they would prefer to be able to play him in the second half of this season they will have to offer Hibs something. I'm not sure what the convoluted chat about various deals is all about. It's really straightforward.

[Bostonhibby]

It's very common. If a club is happy to wait until the summer to be able to play him then they won't need to offer Hibs anything. If they would prefer to be able to play him in the second half of this season they will have to offer Hibs something. I'm not sure what the convoluted chat about various deals is all about. It's really straightforward.Recognised where Hibs could get some leverage but none of it will arise if Ryan doesn't first sign a contract, which I think was the point?

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[CL0762]

If a club wants Ryan in January. They can negotiate with Hibs & Hibs can request a percentage sell on as part of that negotiation.

If a club wants to wait until the summer, the club have no negotiating to do.

It’s absolutely nothing to do directly with Porteous.

[blackpoolhibs]

If a club wants Ryan in January. They can negotiate with Hibs & Hibs can request a percentage sell on as part of that negotiation.

If a club wants to wait until the summer, the club have no negotiating to do.

It’s absolutely nothing to do directly with Porteous.

Of course it does, Porteous does not have to sign any contract in January, especially if that deal could be worth much more to him in the summer without any clauses.

[Rumble de Thump]

Of course it does, Porteous does not have to sign any contract in January, especially if that deal could be worth much more to him in the summer without any clauses.

If a club doesn't have to spend a single penny to sign him it's not going to impact how much money they offer Ryan. If he wants to start earning more money sooner rather than later a January move may well be in his best interest.

[blackpoolhibs]

If a club doesn't have to spend a single penny to sign him it's not going to impact how much money they offer Ryan. If he wants to start earning more money sooner rather than later a January move may well be in his best interest.
I give up.

[where'stheslope]

Feel that Lee Johnstone's comment about Porto should have been on more money already, could work against us getting anything extra in transfer money!
He may feel any extra money should be going his way, to make up for loss of earnings????

[Hibbyradge]

If a club doesn't have to spend a single penny to sign him it's not going to impact how much money they offer Ryan. If he wants to start earning more money sooner rather than later a January move may well be in his best interest.

He'll get a much bigger signing on fee if the new club don't have to part with anything to get him. His agent will make sure of that.

[Hibbyradge]

Feel that Lee Johnstone's comment about Porto should have been on more money already, could work against us getting anything extra in transfer money!
He may feel any extra money should be going his way, to make up for loss of earnings????

That crossed my mind too, especially if LJ has been trying to get RP on side by saying that to him over the last few weeks.

[Tambo]

Tam reckons we could get 500k for him but also that we must stick with him if he decides to sign a pre contract for nothing.