Kyle Mcclelland

[Torto7062]

Right maybe I've missed something but why is this lad now involved more

[Allant1981]

Right maybe I've missed something but why is this lad now involved more

He is out on loan

[Sir David Gray]

Right maybe I've missed something but why is this lad now involved more

Plays for Cove Rangers.

[Torto7062]

Plays for Cove Rangers.

I'd recall him

[Onceinawhile]

I'd recall him

Can't recall him when we're not in a transfer window.

For me, didn't see anything today that suggests the defence is the problem.

[Hibeesforever]

He is a quality operator, get him in...Porteous replacement!

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Him and Tait looked the business in pre season. Baffles me both went out on loan

[Smartie]

Him and Tait looked the business in pre season. Baffles me both went out on loan

McLelland absolutely did not look the business against Falkirk.

Getting first team football on loan is exactly where he should be. He'd shown enough flashes of quality over the summer games to suggest that he may have a future with us but he wasn't ready to be relied upon every week in the Premier League.

[Sir David Gray]

Him and Tait looked the business in pre season. Baffles me both went out on loan

McClelland looked miles away from being ready for first team football in the Falkirk game.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

McLelland absolutely did not look the business against Falkirk.

Getting first team football on loan is exactly where he should be. He'd shown enough flashes of quality over the summer games to suggest that he may have a future with us but he wasn't ready to be relied upon every week in the Premier League.

Did anyone get pass marks against Falkirk?

You're probably right, a loan will do him good I just don't think he was that far away from being an understudy this season

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

McClelland looked miles away from being ready for first team football in the Falkirk game.

Kenneh looked miles off it at the start of the campaign but has settled in well. That Falkirk game isn't the only game he played

[matty_f]

Him and Tait looked the business in pre season. Baffles me both went out on loan

Did Tait not only play 45 minutes against Norwich? Did he get more game time than that?

[Smartie]

Did anyone get pass marks against Falkirk?

You're probably right, a loan will do him good I just don't think he was that far away from being an understudy this season

Can't really remember many of the specifics of that particular horror show, I've blocked it out my mind. :greengrin

But I do remember thinking that Mclelland had been given a chasing by Falkirk players who were simply hairy arsed senior footballers.

He did show flashes of quality in some of the other games but will be benefitting greatly imo from the regular football rather than fleeting glimpses here and there with us (and presumably howls of derisions and abuse when he inevitably made rookie mistakes).

We've also already got Fish, Bushiri and McGregor as potential understudy centre halves.



Controversial opinion actually - the defence looked much more comfortable today back to a 4. One lapse did for us. The problems were elsewhere.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Did Tait not only play 45 minutes against Norwich? Did he get more game time than that?

Thought I'd seen more of him than that? However long he played he looked good on and off the ball and. Got stuck in and drove forward. Something we've missed. Only basing it on what I've saw, not meaning to take thread off track

[Sir David Gray]

Kenneh looked miles off it at the start of the campaign but has settled in well. That Falkirk game isn't the only game he played

It's not although I'm struggling to think of any other appearances he's made for us where I thought he was ready to play for our first team.

In any case he's currently injured and hasn't played for Cove Rangers in over a month.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Can't really remember many of the specifics of that particular horror show, I've blocked it out my mind. :greengrin

But I do remember thinking that Mclelland had been given a chasing by Falkirk players who were simply hairy arsed senior footballers.

He did show flashes of quality in some of the other games but will be benefitting greatly imo from the regular football rather than fleeting glimpses here and there with us (and presumably howls of derisions and abuse when he inevitably made rookie mistakes).

We've also already got Fish, Bushiri and McGregor as potential understudy centre halves.



Controversial opinion actually - the defence looked much more comfortable today back to a 4. One lapse did for us. The problems were elsewhere.

That whole campaign needs forgotten to be fair

Good point, back 4 is our best defensive set up. Would probably bring rocky in alongside Porto - but will leave thr han-lawn debate for another day :-)

[Sir David Gray]

Thought I'd seen more of him than that? However long he played he looked good on and off the ball and. Got stuck in and drove forward. Something we've missed. Only basing it on what I've saw, not meaning to take thread off track

Before going on loan he played;

90 mins v Burton
45 mins v Clyde
45 mins v Falkirk
17 mins v Bonnyrigg Rose
45 mins v Norwich
9 mins v Livingston

[Allant1981]

Kenneh looked miles off it at the start of the campaign but has settled in well. That Falkirk game isn't the only game he played

Kenneh has had about 3 or 4 good games, he is not as good as some make out on here, there is a reason he is continually subbed off or doesn't start

[bigwheel]

Kenneh looked miles off it at the start of the campaign but has settled in well. That Falkirk game isn't the only game he played

I think Kenneh remains way off it . Was stinking again yesterday . If I’m honest , don’t think he is good enough . JDH is much better imho

[Brightside]

Kenneh has had about 3 or 4 good games, he is not as good as some make out on here, there is a reason he is continually subbed off or doesn't start

He’s subbed off when we go behind. Nothing wrong with the majority of his performances. Some people just don’t like DMs.

[Allant1981]

He’s subbed off when we go behind. Nothing wrong with the majority of his performances. Some people just don’t like DMs.

You clearly have your opinion on him, as you stated he is the best signing we have made this summer, I have mine and I don't think he is very good, as I've stated previously he may well come good but he isn't what we need right now

[Pretty Boy]

With all due to respect to the OP who I'm sure posted this in good faith we really are at the desperation stage now.

For weeks it was get Melkerson in the team, this week it was Tavares and it seems McKirdy is now the saviour after a few flashes in his time on the park yesterday. We had a team sheet tombola of alternative teams feauturing those guys and others who have shown absolutely nothing thus far to suggest they are the solution nor would have performed any better than the collection of mediocrity we did start with yesterday. Now it's bring back our 6th choice CB and a midfielder who wasn't even considered worth paying for a hotel room for when we went away for pre season.

What a mess.

[bigwheel]

He’s subbed off when we go behind. Nothing wrong with the majority of his performances. Some people just don’t like DMs.

It’s not about his role, it’s about his performance levels…He was poor again yesterday

[Northernhibee]

With all due to respect to the OP who I'm sure posted this in good faith we really are at the desperation stage now.

For weeks it was get Melkerson in the team, this week it was Tavares and it seems McKirdy is now the saviour after a few flashes in his time on the park yesterday. We had a team sheet tombola of alternative teams feauturing those guys and others who have shown absolutely nothing thus far to suggest they are the solution nor would have performed any better than the collection of mediocrity we did start with yesterday. Now it's bring back our 6th choice CB and a midfielder who wasn't even considered worth paying for a hotel room for when we went away for pre season.

What a mess.

Even if you want to believe the manager has a final say, if he’s given an option of someone who got three games for San Marino, someone from the Luxembourg sixth division, and a youngster who looks great on a spreadsheet but couldn’t get a game in non league football then that’s not the manager getting a fair crack at the whip.

A manager isn’t going to come out and say “I really didn’t fancy any of these players and the person in charge of recruitment is an idiot”, especially when it’s a relative of the owner.

[Juice-Terry]

It’s not about his role, it’s about his performance levels…He was poor again yesterday
Correct. One decent game in five (at best).

[blackpoolhibs]

From my limited view of McCleland, he might get a game for our developement squad, but he's nowhere near good enough to replace any of our defenders now.

[MrRobot]

Do the development team players get the same 3 game timeframe before they are written off and people want them binned?

[Smartie]

Kenneh is at least at the level he needs to be at - fit, physically ready, a bit rough round the edges but needing games and experience to improve. If he was either the only one or one of a couple who fitted that description then that would be fine.

He's miles ahead of other development punts.

And a DM is always someone who will be useful in some situations and needing sacrificed in others.

[1875Sean]

Had his injuries but hasn’t he struggled to get into the cove side?

[offshorehibby]

Had his injuries but hasn’t he struggled to get into the cove side?

I'm sure he's still injured, back using the Hibs physio

[Sir David Gray]

Had his injuries but hasn’t he struggled to get into the cove side?

He's been injured for over a month and is receiving treatment and rehabilitation at East Mains.

[WeeRussell]

Delferriere is the one that surprises me most. Albeit it was only very little I see of him, thought he looked pretty useful.

[matty_f]

Even if you want to believe the manager has a final say, if he’s given an option of someone who got three games for San Marino, someone from the Luxembourg sixth division, and a youngster who looks great on a spreadsheet but couldn’t get a game in non league football then that’s not the manager getting a fair crack at the whip.

A manager isn’t going to come out and say “I really didn’t fancy any of these players and the person in charge of recruitment is an idiot”, especially when it’s a relative of the owner.

No, but he can say "I don't think any of those put forward are at our level" give his reasons and ask for better options, like an adult.

[matty_f]

With all due to respect to the OP who I'm sure posted this in good faith we really are at the desperation stage now.

For weeks it was get Melkerson in the team, this week it was Tavares and it seems McKirdy is now the saviour after a few flashes in his time on the park yesterday. We had a team sheet tombola of alternative teams feauturing those guys and others who have shown absolutely nothing thus far to suggest they are the solution nor would have performed any better than the collection of mediocrity we did start with yesterday. Now it's bring back our 6th choice CB and a midfielder who wasn't even considered worth paying for a hotel room for when we went away for pre season.

What a mess.

McClelland was signed specifically for the development squad, he was never intended for the first team this season.

[The Wireless]

Kenneh has had about 3 or 4 good games, he is not as good as some make out on here, there is a reason he is continually subbed off or doesn't start

Totally Agree. For the role he plays he is simply bang average.

[Smartie]

Delferriere is the one that surprises me most. Albeit it was only very little I see of him, thought he looked pretty useful.

Yep.

In one of the positions we've struggled in most in recent seasons, and subsequently this one.

[Scotty Leither]

No, but he can say "I don't think any of those put forward are at our level" give his reasons and ask for better options, like an adult.

Which is why we need clarity as to exactly what the recruitment model is at Easter Road.

If it’s along the lines of “there’ll be players sourced for you, you’ve got the pick the best one out three or four”, then that’s not the manager having this mystical “final say” on targets, that’s him having the final say on whatever obscure no-mark that appear to be pitching up at the club on the say-so of the recruitment team.

If he’s taken the job on that basis, or the job’s not panning out on how it’s been sold to him in the brochure, and there’s disagreement therein, then we’re deeper in the **** than we already appear to be.

[matty_f]

Which is why we need clarity as to exactly what the recruitment model is at Easter Road.

If it’s along the lines of “there’ll be players sourced for you, you’ve got the pick the best one out three or four”, then that’s not the manager having this mystical “final say” on targets, that’s him having the final say on whatever obscure no-mark that appear to be pitching up at the club on the say-so of the recruitment team.

If he’s taken the job on that basis, or the job’s not panning out on how it’s been sold to him in the brochure, and there’s disagreement therein, then we’re deeper in the **** than we already appear to be.

These situations, as far as I can see, only exist in scenarios imagined by folk on here.

[Iain G]

Which is why we need clarity as to exactly what the recruitment model is at Easter Road.

If it’s along the lines of “there’ll be players sourced for you, you’ve got the pick the best one out three or four”, then that’s not the manager having this mystical “final say” on targets, that’s him having the final say on whatever obscure no-mark that appear to be pitching up at the club on the say-so of the recruitment team.

If he’s taken the job on that basis, or the job’s not panning out on how it’s been sold to him in the brochure, and there’s disagreement therein, then we’re deeper in the **** than we already appear to be.

Is it Linda Lusardi? 🤣

[Brooster]

I've said it before, I can't figure out why Tait isn't in or around our first team. I seen lots of him in July and August and I reckon he's better than what we have at the moment. He has technique and grit.

[Scotty Leither]

These situations, as far as I can see, only exist in scenarios imagined by folk on here.

See the Meuller deal as a reference point, Matty.

[bigwheel]

See the Meuller deal as a reference point, Matty.

Jack Ross approved the Mueller transfer. Had a number of conversations with him before he signed

[matty_f]

See the Meuller deal as a reference point, Matty.

Mueller that was brought to the table by Ian Gordon and pursued heavily by Jack Ross? That doesn’t shout out “here’s a list of three names and you have to take one of them” to me.

[marinello59]

Mueller that was brought to the table by Ian Gordon and pursued heavily by Jack Ross? That doesn’t shout out “here’s a list of three names and you have to take one of them” to me.

In what way did Jack Ross pursue him heavily?
I heard Ron Gordon waxing lyrical about Mueller before his arrival and was left in no doubt that he was a Gordon project.

[bigwheel]

In what way did Jack Ross pursue him heavily?
I heard Ron Gordon waxing lyrical about Mueller before his arrival and was left in no doubt that he was a Gordon project.

Hours of one to one conversations with him before he agreed to sign

[marinello59]

Hours of one to one conversations with him before he agreed to sign

Scouted and identified and brought to the club by young Gordon: where’s the pursuit from the manager? Of course the manager would speak to him before signing, I’ll need to take your word on that lasting hours though.

[bigwheel]

Scouted and identified and brought to the club by young Gordon: where’s the pursuit from the manager? Of course the manager would speak to him before signing, I’ll need to take your word on that lasting hours though.

Well I’m unlikely to have just made up the length of chats ..Ross shared that himself . Got to know him - and also influenced him to sign . Gordon Identified him initially , so what ? What’s wrong with that ? Ross, and others, thought it was a real coup at the time , persuading him to come to Hibs. It didn’t work out - it happens .

[Sioux]

I've said it before, I can't figure out why Tait isn't in or around our first team. I seen lots of him in July and August and I reckon he's better than what we have at the moment. He has technique and grit.

Those games were 'bounce games'.

If the manager and coaching staff think he's not good enough, and they see him on a regular basis, is it really possible that they see something that fans think they see? And lets not go down the route that he can't be judged because he's not played an SPFL first team game. There's a reason for that.

[matty_f]

In what way did Jack Ross pursue him heavily?
I heard Ron Gordon waxing lyrical about Mueller before his arrival and was left in no doubt that he was a Gordon project.

Bigwheel’s answer sums up what i was going to say. Ross was very excited to get the deal done and thought we were getting a real coup.

[Callum_62]

Him and Tait looked the business in pre season. Baffles me both went out on loanHow are him and Tait doing this year?

It looks like Tait was a sub for arbroath against cove on the weekend - has he been injured?

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[Unseen work]

I was really impressed by him in pre season.

Thought he actually done ok against Falkirk despite it being his man that scored. A lot went wrong in that game, but I wouldn’t put it on him making his debut for us and first game at this level.

Games like that you need the experienced players to help which they never, Lewis at left back probably had his worst game in years and the midfield were non existent.

I have high hopes for him, friend of mine compared him to Ben White style wise in pre season and I get where he’s coming from. Probably good enough on the ball to play right of a back three or even right back too.

Hopefully he gets injury free soon and kicks on with cove

[Brooster]

Those games were 'bounce games'.

If the manager and coaching staff think he's not good enough, and they see him on a regular basis, is it really possible that they see something that fans think they see? And lets not go down the route that he can't be judged because he's not played an SPFL first team game. There's a reason for that.

They weren't all bounce games and yes it's my opinion which goes for nothing at the end of the day but I stand by it. In my opinion he should be in the first team squad. Every game that goes by makes me wonder a little bit more about the coaching staff's ability to pick the right team, formation and tactics.