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King conrad
12-11-2022, 04:30 PM
A big amount of money has been spent on this hoping for the next messi.

Hauge
Melkersen
Tait
Mckay
Delferierre
Bradley
Reuben Mcallister
Tom Carter
Kanayo Megwa
Emmanuel Johnson
Kyle Mcclelland
Balde

12 players!! Some costing money not to mention all the wages.

We could have spent some of that on wages for good football players for the first team. I'm not against our youth teams obviously but that is a joke, Very few if any of them will make it.
We need to stop this nonsense and concentrate on the first team, even players like Tavares and Henderson are unproven at first team level.
This is Hibernian not some lower league team to experiment with.

Ronniekirk
12-11-2022, 05:30 PM
Is the B team actually playing any games recently Clearly the under 19 s have and sometimes I have seen development team mentioned
But I had assumed players like Jair ,Botang and even recently Yohan to name a few would be getting regular game time in a B Team to try and develop them and players coming back from injury could be included along with any under 29 player. Who was maybe knocking on the door of first team
Hsve I got this wrong

King conrad
12-11-2022, 07:05 PM
Is the B team actually playing any games recently Clearly the under 19 s have and sometimes I have seen development team mentioned
But I had assumed players like Jair ,Botang and even recently Yohan to name a few would be getting regular game time in a B Team to try and develop them and players coming back from injury could be included along with any under 29 player. Who was maybe knocking on the door of first team
Hsve I got this wrong

B team/development squad is one team with people referring to them as either.
The u19s is pretty much the same squad aswell as they are the one's playing in European games.
Basically we have far too many players and not enough starting positions to accommodate them all.

Pretty Boy
12-11-2022, 07:07 PM
A development team isn't new and it isn't radical.

It's an expensive rebranding and a place to stick the players we sign who are too ***** for the 1st team.

matty_f
12-11-2022, 07:07 PM
A big amount of money has been spent on this hoping for the next messi.

Hauge
Melkersen
Tait
Mckay
Delferierre
Bradley
Reuben Mcallister
Tom Carter
Kanayo Megwa
Emmanuel Johnson
Kyle Mcclelland
Balde

12 players!! Some costing money not to mention all the wages.

We could have spent some of that on wages for good football players for the first team. I'm not against our youth teams obviously but that is a joke, Very few if any of them will make it.
We need to stop this nonsense and concentrate on the first team, even players like Tavares and Henderson are unproven at first team level.
This is Hibernian not some lower league team to experiment with.
Melkersen wasn't signed for the development squad.

King conrad
12-11-2022, 08:40 PM
A development team isn't new and it isn't radical.

It's an expensive rebranding and a place to stick the players we sign who are too ***** for the 1st team.

Correct.

King conrad
12-11-2022, 08:45 PM
Melkersen wasn't signed for the development squad.

You're right but it's still another player we have signed for the future in the hope he develops.
I like Melkersen but he is one of very few who has a chance of making it at Hibs.

IberianHibernian
12-11-2022, 08:54 PM
A big amount of money has been spent on this hoping for the next messi.

Hauge
Melkersen
Tait
Mckay
Delferierre
Bradley
Reuben Mcallister
Tom Carter
Kanayo Megwa
Emmanuel Johnson
Kyle Mcclelland
Balde

12 players!! Some costing money not to mention all the wages.

We could have spent some of that on wages for good football players for the first team. I'm not against our youth teams obviously but that is a joke, Very few if any of them will make it.
We need to stop this nonsense and concentrate on the first team, even players like Tavares and Henderson are unproven at first team level.
This is Hibernian not some lower league team to experiment with.Apart from Melkersen who is in our first team and McAllister who despite being only 16 is playing in our under 18 team , are the rest not all on loan while still training with our first team squad ? This time a year ago , Henderson was playing for Celtic in the Europa League , since then he`s played a lot of matches for us . Have we not always had lots of players in a reserve / youth team who haven`t made an impact in the first team ?

PaulSmith
12-11-2022, 09:25 PM
Bin this nonsense of a B team squad ASAP, it’s a total pipe dream and a drain of resource (£) on what is really important.

If players at 16-19 aren’t good enough for the first team then it’s highly probable they’ll never been good enough. The first person that mentions Jamie Vardy is getting blocked.

Hearts today put Bobby McLuckie (16) and Finlay Pollock on their bench. We treat our players of comparable ability with the carrot of playing for our B team. It drains youthful enthusiasm and they miss their chance as they hit 19 and haven’t played or been around the first team squad.

Honestly I hate the way that some aspects of our club are run.

IberianHibernian
12-11-2022, 09:38 PM
Bin this nonsense of a B team squad ASAP, it’s a total pipe dream and a drain of resource (£) on what is really important.

If players at 16-19 aren’t good enough for the first team then it’s highly probable they’ll never been good enough. The first person that mentions Jamie Vardy is getting blocked.

Hearts today put Bobby McLuckie (16) and Finlay Pollock on their bench. We treat our players of comparable ability with the carrot of playing for our B team. It drains youthful enthusiasm and they miss their chance as they hit 19 and haven’t played or been around the first team squad.

Honestly I hate the way that some aspects of our club are run.I thought our youth team were in Portugal playing 6 45- minute matches against top international opponents this weekend . Much better than sitting on the bench anyway . How much are we spending on devt team anyway ?

SMAXXA
12-11-2022, 09:43 PM
Got to laugh at all the hysterical comments on how much a waste of money it is when no one knows how much it costs and how it is funded. Typical nonsense you see all the time when hibs aren’t getting results absolutely everything else at the club gets criticised and is a waste and needs done with.

How about we let these players continue to develop and see where they are in a year or 2.

PaulSmith
12-11-2022, 09:45 PM
Got to laugh at all the hysterical comments on how much a waste of money it is when no one knows how much it costs and how it is funded. Typical nonsense you see all the time when hibs aren’t getting results absolutely everything else at the club gets criticised and is a waste and needs done with.

How about we let these players continue to develop and see where they are in a year or 2.


How do you think it’s funded?

For someone involved in football do you think that there are players aged between 16 and 22 who just need a wee bit of exposure to glorified friendlies or do you think that at 17/18 you’d instinctively know that they are a player?

brog
13-11-2022, 09:46 AM
How do you think it’s funded?

For someone involved in football do you think that there are players aged between 16 and 22 who just need a wee bit of exposure to glorified friendlies or do you think that at 17/18 you’d instinctively know that they are a player?

I'm really not sure of your point here. Are our 17/18 year olds not doing well in Europe?

PaulSmith
13-11-2022, 09:53 AM
I'm really not sure of your point here. Are our 17/18 year olds not doing well in Europe?

Specifically talking about B/Dev squad and it’s perceived benefits.

The point being is that by 19 if a player hasn’t been given 10-15 games in the first team (as a sub or a starter) then they disappear down the leagues and never to be seen again.

The likes of Aiken, Laidlaw, McIntyre and O’Connor can’t stand still over the next 2-3 years and play B team friendlies. They need exposed to the first team now or we miss any opportunity.

Hearts and other clubs in Scotland have no fear at all about putting in young players into the first team.

brog
13-11-2022, 12:00 PM
Specifically talking about B/Dev squad and it’s perceived benefits.

The point being is that by 19 if a player hasn’t been given 10-15 games in the first team (as a sub or a starter) then they disappear down the leagues and never to be seen again.

The likes of Aiken, Laidlaw, McIntyre and O’Connor can’t stand still over the next 2-3 years and play B team friendlies. They need exposed to the first team now or we miss any opportunity.

Hearts and other clubs in Scotland have no fear at all about putting in young players into the first team.


We had 5 players in our starting team yesterday who made their debuts for Hibs at 19 or younger. I suspect our record for giving young players an opportunity will stand comparison with most other top flight teams.

The Modfather
13-11-2022, 12:12 PM
We had 5 players in our starting team yesterday who made their debuts for Hibs at 19 or younger. I suspect our record for giving young players an opportunity will stand comparison with most other top flight teams.

I can’t find the article I’ve linked to before. However there was detailed analysis done about how many players were given a debut and minutes played of those players from 2009 - 2019. In those 10 years we were well behind Rangers, Celtc, Hearts, Aberdeen & Dundee Utd. In terms of debuts given, but much further behind in minutes played for those players.

I’m not sure all that much will have changed since 2019, maybe it has. It doesn’t feel that way though.

B.H.F.C
13-11-2022, 12:22 PM
I can’t find the article I’ve linked to before. However there was detailed analysis done about how many players were given a debut and minutes played of those players from 2009 - 2019. In those 10 years we were well behind Rangers, Celtc, Hearts, Aberdeen & Dundee Utd. In terms of debuts given, but much further behind in minutes played for those players.

I’m not sure all that much will have changed since 2019, maybe it has. It doesn’t feel that way though.

At the moment I don’t really see a pathway in to the first team.

I’m sure someone like Jacob Blaney could fulfil the role we’ve brought Fish in to do. Murray Johnson could fulfil the role Schofield has been brought in for.

Admittedly I’ve not seen a great deal of the younger players but what I have seen they’ve looked capable but we’ll always favour going and getting a young loan option from down south who block the pathway through for our own without making any impact themselves.

PaulSmith
13-11-2022, 01:44 PM
We had 5 players in our starting team yesterday who made their debuts for Hibs at 19 or younger. I suspect our record for giving young players an opportunity will stand comparison with most other top flight teams.

I assume you are counting Hanlon and Stevenson in that number who both made their debuts about 15 years ago. Porteous made his 4/5 year ago and Campbell has racked up over 100 appearances since his debut 3 years ago.

So whilst the stat is accurate the point that we’ve stalled progressing young players into first team and yet other clubs are quite willing to put 16, 17 and 18 year olds a chance.

HibeeHibernia
13-11-2022, 01:54 PM
Bin this nonsense of a B team squad ASAP, it’s a total pipe dream and a drain of resource (£) on what is really important.

If players at 16-19 aren’t good enough for the first team then it’s highly probable they’ll never been good enough. The first person that mentions Jamie Vardy is getting blocked.

Hearts today put Bobby McLuckie (16) and Finlay Pollock on their bench. We treat our players of comparable ability with the carrot of playing for our B team. It drains youthful enthusiasm and they miss their chance as they hit 19 and haven’t played or been around the first team squad.

Honestly I hate the way that some aspects of our club are run.

When was the last 16 year old that was first team ready for us mate? Looking at the young team the other week there none of them are physically ready yet and they are in the 19s i think this b team is a good approach to bridge gap like as look at the amount of "Potential" we've forced through only for them to be told they're not good enough and sold on within a few years. :flag:

brog
13-11-2022, 02:44 PM
When was the last 16 year old that was first team ready for us mate? Looking at the young team the other week there none of them are physically ready yet and they are in the 19s i think this b team is a good approach to bridge gap like as look at the amount of "Potential" we've forced through only for them to be told they're not good enough and sold on within a few years. :flag:

How many 16 year olds are playing in the SPFL? I remember the superstar Harry Cochrane, he did well!!

HibeeHibernia
13-11-2022, 03:03 PM
How many 16 year olds are playing in the SPFL? I remember the superstar Harry Cochrane, he did well!!

aye he is probably the last like haha 16 year olds breaking through into the first team and doing well are freaks of nature like wayne rooney etc that never happens on a regular occurrence

The Modfather
13-11-2022, 03:03 PM
How many 16 year olds are playing in the SPFL? I remember the superstar Harry Cochrane, he did well!!

They aren’t all 16. A good chunk of them are 18. I’ve no idea who is most likely to make the step up from the U19s, but would we have been worse off having them on the bench instead of McGregor, or signing the likes of Bojang, Fish & Schofield? Etc.

I’m sure they could have padded out our squad/bench and got game time when possible and sensible. As well as still playing in the U19s and in Europe.

brog
13-11-2022, 03:54 PM
They aren’t all 16. A good chunk of them are 18. I’ve no idea who is most likely to make the step up from the U19s, but would we have been worse off having them on the bench instead of McGregor, or signing the likes of Bojang, Fish & Schofield? Etc.

I’m sure they could have padded out our squad/bench and got game time when possible and sensible. As well as still playing in the U19s and in Europe.

I agree your general point. I only mentioned 16 year olds because the OP asked when we last played a 16 year old.

1620
13-11-2022, 04:07 PM
I wrote about this on another thread shortly after the Ross County defeat.
When the club started recruiting these 19/20 year olds the club said it was going down this route in order to form a B team because the step up from the under 19s to first team was too big a step and that games for the B team would be arranged against English similar aged teams in order to allow their development. This seemed a sensible route for the club to take but I am not aware of a Hibs B team playing anyone this season!
Instead we have a load of these youngsters getting minutes off the subs bench in the first team and most of them are nowhere near ready for the first team. In retrospect it looks as if the investment in the B team recruits would have been much better used to recruit 3/4 ready made first team players which the majority of the fans were crying out for.

Brooster
13-11-2022, 04:22 PM
I would suggest that McCulloch and Blaney are certainly physical and aggressive enough to play in our first team, especially when you consider some of the lightweight, workshy imposters that are playing for us at the moment.

offshorehibby
13-11-2022, 05:59 PM
Aiken has made our bench the last couple of home games

number9dream
14-11-2022, 08:27 AM
The B team thing appears to have been completely forgotten about. There hasn’t been a match all season, has there? A few first team / fringe players were involved in a reserve league game against Dundee Utd in early September and since then it’s been the young lads exclusively in development league and cup games… Is it because there’s no time in a busy schedule or we can’t find any B team opportunities or just too many injuries in first team squad?

Billy Whizz
14-11-2022, 09:21 AM
The B team thing appears to have been completely forgotten about. There hasn’t been a match all season, has there? A few first team / fringe players were involved in a reserve league game against Dundee Utd in early September and since then it’s been the young lads exclusively in development league and cup games… Is it because there’s no time in a busy schedule or we can’t find any B team opportunities or just too many injuries in first team squad?

Some of the B Team/Development team play in the Reserve League/Reserve Cup. Not enough games in my opinion for the ones not out on loan. Think they have 3 games between now and the end of the year
Where do the guys like the McIntyres, Laidlaw, O’Conner and Aitken etc, get any game time

number9dream
14-11-2022, 09:39 AM
Some of the B Team/Development team play in the Reserve League/Reserve Cup. Not enough games in my opinion for the ones not out on loan. Think they have 3 games between now and the end of the year
Where do the guys like the McIntyres, Laidlaw, O’Conner and Aitken etc, get any game time

Cheers BW… It’s not exactly bridging the gap between youth football and the first team is it? I thought the idea was to arrange regular B games with English U23 sides etc to help young ‘uns progression and get guys like Tavares and others up to speed.

hibsforeurope
14-11-2022, 09:58 AM
I don't get why we needed to bring is so many players for the development team, we already had the scottish u18 champions at the club and they have developed into on of the top 24 teams in Europe at u-19 level.

surely this is the development team and any future start will come from this. From what i've seen very few of the signings are better than what was already here.

In theory its a good idea to develop players for the 1st team but this spend (potentially significant investment) should have been used to sort out the 1st team in the short term initially. once the 1st team are in a better position then add younger players to supplement.

Ronniekirk
14-11-2022, 11:04 AM
Cheers BW… It’s not exactly bridging the gap between youth football and the first team is it? I thought the idea was to arrange regular B games with English U23 sides etc to help young ‘uns progression and get guys like Tavares and others up to speed.

You are correct that’s what we were told when B Team was first explained
Players like Jair and Botang as just two examples were supposed to get game time to develop and hopefully then be better equipped to move into first team Promosing youngsters could also do that as well
But there have hardly been any games so Jair mainly sits on the bench

Billy Whizz
14-11-2022, 11:07 AM
Cheers BW… It’s not exactly bridging the gap between youth football and the first team is it? I thought the idea was to arrange regular B games with English U23 sides etc to help young ‘uns progression and get guys like Tavares and others up to speed.

Think the games v Brentford and Huddersfield fell through
We should have put a team in the Lowland League, all these lads would have competitive football every week

brog
14-11-2022, 11:51 AM
On a brighter note it seems our young lads did us proud again in The Algarve Cup. Unfortunately it seems we had the tougher group and started off with really difficult games against Benfica and Porto which we lost 2 0 and 1 0. I know we drew our 3rd game 0 0 and won our 4th game but I don't know the score. That took us into play offs against the also rans from the other group and I believe we won both of those. I don't know the opposition but I know Liverpool lost 2 games so they may have been one. Any more definitive info would be appreciated.

JimBHibees
14-11-2022, 11:52 AM
On a brighter note it seems our young lads did us proud again in The Algarve Cup. Unfortunately it seems we had the tougher group and started off with really difficult games against Benfica and Porto which we lost 2 0 and 1 0. I know we drew our 3rd game 0 0 and won our 4th game but I don't know the score. That took us into play offs against the also rans from the other group and I believe we won both of those. I don't know the opposition but I know Liverpool lost 2 games so they may have been one. Any more definitive info would be appreciated.

What age group was that tournament?

Bayern Bru
14-11-2022, 12:06 PM
What age group was that tournament?

Under-19, same as the UEFA Youth League.

Oscar T Grouch
14-11-2022, 01:22 PM
On a brighter note it seems our young lads did us proud again in The Algarve Cup. Unfortunately it seems we had the tougher group and started off with really difficult games against Benfica and Porto which we lost 2 0 and 1 0. I know we drew our 3rd game 0 0 and won our 4th game but I don't know the score. That took us into play offs against the also rans from the other group and I believe we won both of those. I don't know the opposition but I know Liverpool lost 2 games so they may have been one. Any more definitive info would be appreciated.

There is a facebook page for this tourny but it seems to have been last updated on Saturday.

https://www.facebook.com/AlgarveCup/photos

I have limited access due to not having Facebook but I cannot see any results beyond Saturday's games :confused:

Bobo
14-11-2022, 01:23 PM
On a brighter note it seems our young lads did us proud again in The Algarve Cup. Unfortunately it seems we had the tougher group and started off with really difficult games against Benfica and Porto which we lost 2 0 and 1 0. I know we drew our 3rd game 0 0 and won our 4th game but I don't know the score. That took us into play offs against the also rans from the other group and I believe we won both of those. I don't know the opposition but I know Liverpool lost 2 games so they may have been one. Any more definitive info would be appreciated.

Report on the official site now 👍🏻

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/algarve-cup-round-up

Brooster
14-11-2022, 02:03 PM
Report on the official site now 👍🏻

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/algarve-cup-round-up

Thanks Bobo. Laidlaw sticking out again by all accounts. This lad must surely be close to getting first team action, seen him about 10 times this season and he's been great most times. He hangs left and is much better than Tavares, Bojang and Youhan in my opinion. A few others must also be close to first team call ups soon.

Since452
14-11-2022, 02:31 PM
How do we know it's a drain on recourses? Surely we'll only know in a few years when the players make it into the first team or not? I thought the whole point of it was to develop talented young players into first team ready players we otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford?

Pretty Boy
14-11-2022, 02:41 PM
Are most of the players who might have been considered development signings not out on loan anyway?

I'm thinking guys like McClelland, Hauge, Tait, Delferriere, Johnson and Balde. Sure there are 1 or 2 others as well.

Most of the others seem to be guys who are otherwise playing for the 18s regularly.

matty_f
14-11-2022, 03:02 PM
Are most of the players who might have been considered development signings not out on loan anyway?

I'm thinking guys like McClelland, Hauge, Tait, Delferriere, Johnson and Balde. Sure there are 1 or 2 others as well.

Most of the others seem to be guys who are otherwise playing for the 18s regularly.

Yeah, i think folk are all over the place with this, we’ve reached out about getting Steve Kean on longbangers at some point to give a good explanation of the set up.

My understanding is that the club openly stated that they felt we had good youngsters coming through, but there was a gap in first team ready players ready to make the step up from under 18 at the club already.

The development team was set up to bridge that gap and to attract talent that wasn’t first team ready but had the potential to be better than players we can afford to bring in when they are at first team level.

Neither Tavares or Bojang where in that pool of players initially, to address Ronnie Kirk’s point. Like Melkersen, they were signed as first team players.

If a player is ready at 18, there’s no expectation that they will go via the development team before they reach the first team. Nobody’s route to the first team is being blocked unnecessarily, if players are considered physically, technically, and mentally ready for first team football, then they'll bypass the development squad and go straight to the first team, or will do a mix of both.

I think we need to give it longer than the 4 months or so it's had in its current set up before tearing the whole thing up and starting again. That doesn't feel like an unreasonable ask given the nature of the set up.

Brooster
14-11-2022, 03:47 PM
The Development games I've seen have been a right old mix. On 2 occasions the 19s have played en bloc to prepare for Euro ties, I've also seen first team fringe players such as Miller, Tavares and Bojang. I've seen first team players returning from injury, Hanlon and Stevenson and I've seen players who are out on loan Brydon, Delfierre etc. It's a right old mix.

Bridge hibs
14-11-2022, 03:52 PM
The Development games I've seen have been a right old mix. On 2 occasions the 19s have played en bloc to prepare for Euro ties, I've also seen first team fringe players such as Miller, Tavares and Bojang. I've seen first team players returning from injury, Hanlon and Stevenson and I've seen players who are out on loan Brydon, Delfierre etc. It's a right old mix.Are there any centre halfs who look ready or not too far away from first team or first team bench Brooster ?

Brooster
14-11-2022, 04:13 PM
Are there any centre halfs who look ready or not too far away from first team or first team bench Brooster ?

Last year's stand out centre half was Mackenzie Weir but he packed in to go to university. Jacob Blaney can play as a right sided centre half or at right back, I think he's ready. Kenayo Megwa has been playing centre half for the 19s, he's a great prospect too. Owen Hastie has also been playing centre half, another great laddie but I think he has 2 seasons left at 18s. McLelland and Brydon are out on loan, they are both natural centre halves. Brydon still plays in the Development team despite being on loan, I think he looks the better of the 2.

Bridge hibs
14-11-2022, 04:22 PM
Last year's stand out centre half was Mackenzie Weir but he packed in to go to university. Jacob Blaney can play as a right sided centre half or at right back, I think he's ready. Kenayo Megwa has been playing centre half for the 19s, he's a great prospect too. Owen Hastie has also been playing centre half, another great laddie but I think he has 2 seasons left at 18s. McLelland and Brydon are out on loan, they are both natural centre halves. Brydon still plays in the Development team despite being on loan, I think he looks the better of the 2.Good stuff, well explained, thanks Brooster 👍

McD
14-11-2022, 04:32 PM
Last year's stand out centre half was Mackenzie Weir but he packed in to go to university. Jacob Blaney can play as a right sided centre half or at right back, I think he's ready. Kenayo Megwa has been playing centre half for the 19s, he's a great prospect too. Owen Hastie has also been playing centre half, another great laddie but I think he has 2 seasons left at 18s. McLelland and Brydon are out on loan, they are both natural centre halves. Brydon still plays in the Development team despite being on loan, I think he looks the better of the 2.


seen Megwa playing for the u19s in the last 2 European matches at ER, he looks an outstanding talent (at that level), both times he’s looked composed, in control, doesn’t overcommit, knows when to get tight and when to drop off. I get that it’s only at that level, but I reckon he could be a real gem.

Billy Whizz
14-11-2022, 04:46 PM
Yeah, i think folk are all over the place with this, we’ve reached out about getting Steve Kean on longbangers at some point to give a good explanation of the set up.

My understanding is that the club openly stated that they felt we had good youngsters coming through, but there was a gap in first team ready players ready to make the step up from under 18 at the club already.

The development team was set up to bridge that gap and to attract talent that wasn’t first team ready but had the potential to be better than players we can afford to bring in when they are at first team level.

Neither Tavares or Bojang where in that pool of players initially, to address Ronnie Kirk’s point. Like Melkersen, they were signed as first team players.

If a player is ready at 18, there’s no expectation that they will go via the development team before they reach the first team. Nobody’s route to the first team is being blocked unnecessarily, if players are considered physically, technically, and mentally ready for first team football, then they'll bypass the development squad and go straight to the first team, or will do a mix of both.

I think we need to give it longer than the 4 months or so it's had in its current set up before tearing the whole thing up and starting again. That doesn't feel like an unreasonable ask given the nature of the set up.

Matty, the problem is last years under 18, league winning team, this seasons Under 18’s, aren’t getting enough football this season
These should have been the priority for Hibs. If they hadn’t got a run in Europe, their minutes would be well down. Only Johnson has spent any time on loan

They should have put these lads in the Lowland League when they had a chance to be part of it. I’m struggling to understand the strategy

Jack Brydon as an example, who at 18 is an excellent prospect is at FC Edinburgh. Oscar McIntyre,a few months older than Brydon, but also 18, great prospect too, plays for our Under 19’s

brog
14-11-2022, 04:59 PM
Report on the official site now 👍🏻

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/algarve-cup-round-up

Thanks!! As I thought we had the tougher group as Benfica and Porto ended up in the final. I suspect we would have made last 4 if drawn in other group. Well done boys!

Ronniekirk
14-11-2022, 05:32 PM
Yeah, i think folk are all over the place with this, we’ve reached out about getting Steve Kean on longbangers at some point to give a good explanation of the set up.

My understanding is that the club openly stated that they felt we had good youngsters coming through, but there was a gap in first team ready players ready to make the step up from under 18 at the club already.

The development team was set up to bridge that gap and to attract talent that wasn’t first team ready but had the potential to be better than players we can afford to bring in when they are at first team level.

Neither Tavares or Bojang where in that pool of players initially, to address Ronnie Kirk’s point. Like Melkersen, they were signed as first team players.

If a player is ready at 18, there’s no expectation that they will go via the development team before they reach the first team. Nobody’s route to the first team is being blocked unnecessarily, if players are considered physically, technically, and mentally ready for first team football, then they'll bypass the development squad and go straight to the first team, or will do a mix of both.

I think we need to give it longer than the 4 months or so it's had in its current set up before tearing the whole thing up and starting again. That doesn't feel like an unreasonable ask given the nature of the set up.

You know more than me Matty but L J ssid from the outset Not to expect too much from Jair and that he was a longer term prospect hence length of contract I assume With Steve Kean initially talking a lot about the B Tesm and thanking Ron for backing this financially maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick
But Jair hasn’t had much game time and thsts what I thought the Bteam was designed to do ,give players like him regular game time
Apologies if I am misleading people or muddying the waters
But it would be great if Steve Kean could come on longbanger s to give an update and educate fans like me

matty_f
14-11-2022, 05:52 PM
You know more than me Matty but L J ssid from the outset Not to expect too much from Jair and that he was a longer term prospect hence length of contract I assume With Steve Kean initially talking a lot about the B Tesm and thanking Ron for backing this financially maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick
But Jair hasn’t had much game time and thsts what I thought the Bteam was designed to do ,give players like him regular game time
Apologies if I am misleading people or muddying the waters
But it would be great if Steve Kean could come on longbanger s to give an update and educate fans like me
No apologies required, I think we could all do with an update as I'm sure folk will be able to pick holes in my understanding if it as well mate. :aok:

Donegal Hibby
14-11-2022, 07:08 PM
Wonder did the lad that joined up with us play and make any sort of impact ?

PaulSmith
14-11-2022, 07:40 PM
Wonder did the lad that joined up with us play and make any sort of impact ?

Magennis?

Donegal Hibby
14-11-2022, 07:47 PM
Magennis?
Fidel Barajas

PaulSmith
14-11-2022, 07:57 PM
Fidel Barajas

Thanks for clarifying.

cameronw-hfc
16-11-2022, 10:32 PM
Mistake from Blaney cost the young scots a goal, but he's a kid and needs to make them in order to improve. Nothing Murray could have done with the finish.