Var

[H18 SFR]

I think I’ve come to the conclusion today that VAR is reducing my enjoyment enough that I might stop going as much.

[Keith_M]

It's bloody awful.

Nearly five minutes wait for a decision but they still get it wrong.

[Carheenlea]

Killing the game in Scotland. Only Scottish referees can get more decisions wrong with TV help than they did before.

Turned our game into a total farce.

[A Hi-Bee]

I think I’ve come to the conclusion today that VAR is reducing my enjoyment enough that I might stop going as much.

Already made up my mind I will not be back, the season ticket they can keep, will not get another one.

[Rick Rude]

I've yet to see a positive of it. Constant long stoppages only for them to still come up with the wrong decision so what's the point?

[H18 SFR]

Already made up my mind I will not be back, the season ticket they can keep, will not get another one.

Clubs need to know this is impacting fans so much they don’t want to renew. I think I feel the same.

[Callum_62]

Thankfully we are now getting the big calls right

The below surely needs explained as it looks like the lines are overlapping
I thought the same with Jairs offside too against St Johnstone

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[st3vie]

I think I’ve come to the conclusion today that VAR is reducing my enjoyment enough that I might stop going as much.

Cheated today it was as simple as that, you cant check that and then still give a penalty.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Between Var & Scottish refs I’m seriously close to chucking it as well.

This current Hibs team doesn’t help matters.

[Alfred E Newman]

I think I’ve come to the conclusion today that VAR is reducing my enjoyment enough that I might stop going as much.

I can see me restricting my spectating to my local non league team in the future. Even if VAR does eventually make the correct call after 3 or 4 mins of scrutiny it is killing the game as an enjoyable experience.

[gaz1875]

Killing the game in Scotland. Only Scottish referees can get more decisions wrong with TV help than they did before.

Turned our game into a total farce.


Quite incredible how they can **** up slow motion replays like they are. They are either totally inept or corrupt.

[basehibby]

Quite incredible how they can **** up slow motion replays like they are. They are either totally inept or corrupt.

This :top marks

Two weeks - three quite astonishingly bad decisions made with the "help" of VAR. And that's only our games!

[allmodcons]

I think I’ve come to the conclusion today that VAR is reducing my enjoyment enough that I might stop going as much.

I said after the shambles at Aberdeen that I wouldn't be back and stick by that statement.

VAR is ruining the game I love.

[MelbourneHibees]

It gets the majority of calls correct. That makes the game fairer.

[Northernhibee]

It gets the majority of calls correct. That makes the game fairer.
Surely you’re trolling here???

[A Hi-Bee]

It gets the majority of calls correct. That makes the game fairer.

Wit a blind man could get most of the calls right, var has screwed with Hibs even more than the bent refs have managed over the years. Would you be saying that things will even themselves out over a season, the games bust.

[allmodcons]

It gets the majority of calls correct. That makes the game fairer.

I'd rather have real time decisions wrong than these cocks presiding over replays and still ****ing up.

[Victor]

Thankfully we are now getting the big calls right

The below surely needs explained as it looks like the lines are overlapping
I thought the same with Jairs offside too against St Johnstone

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What I don’t get is that the still does not show where the ball is being passed from. There should be allowance made for equipment lag, there is no way that a decision this close should go against the attacker. I also don’t get why the linesman put his flag up, considering that earlier in the game Douglas Ross kept his flag down when the Kilmarnock forward was glaringly offside, which is in keeping with how it works in England and elsewhere. There is no way that the other linesman could have believed that Melkersen was definitely offside. I am pretty sure he shouldn’t be putting his flag up on a suspicion.


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[Baader]

The accepted movement at speed between frames (VAR is 50 fps) is too big to be making calls like this. It isn't accurate enough. Lines need to be much thicker to account for the margin of error. When they start having to scrutinise them it's just wrong.

[HibeeHibernia]

I think I’ve come to the conclusion today that VAR is reducing my enjoyment enough that I might stop going as much.

the worst thing to happen to football mate

[I'm_cabbaged]

I missed the goal; what happened?

[eastterrace]

Between Var & Scottish refs I’m seriously close to chucking it as well.

This current Hibs team doesn’t help matters.
I’m in that frame of mind as well. If it keeps on going how it’s started then I won’t be going back as it’s really boiling my piss.

[percy veer]

It's the stupid pens that are killing the game for me too many games now decided by a debatable pen

[Stevie Reid]

Been dead against it from day one, and it’s actually been even worse than I thought it would be up here.

Goals like ours being disallowed today is so anti-football, it’s unreal.

[gbhibby]

Thankfully we are now getting the big calls right

The below surely needs explained as it looks like the lines are overlapping
I thought the same with Jairs offside too against St Johnstone

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This is why the offside law needs changed. The whole of the players body should be in front of the last defender drawing the lines to favour the attacking team not a huge change to make,the current offside law is ruining the game.

[gbhibby]

The accepted movement at speed between frames (VAR is 50 fps) is too big to be making calls like this. It isn't accurate enough. Lines need to be much thicker to account for the margin of error. When they start having to scrutinise them it's just wrong.
Var should be the same frame rate as the camera.

[wookie70]

The accepted movement at speed between frames (VAR is 50 fps) is too big to be making calls like this. It isn't accurate enough. Lines need to be much thicker to account for the margin of error. When they start having to scrutinise them it's just wrong.

If it is 50 fps, then a player running at 30kph,(top speed for top players is around 36kph) assuming the defender is not moving, would cover over 6 inches. That also assumes you can actually pick the right frame the ball is actually passed as the offside rule is exactly the point contact was made with the ball by the passing player. If the system is built using the tolerance in the attacking player's favour and choosing a frame where the ball has definitely been contacted by the passing player then all I want is a Yes/No. If anyone wants to check further it should be a mathematical formula that is shown with the tolerance built in. If any of that takes longer than a minute the decision on the field should stand or the attacker should always be given the benefit. One or the other. No lines that just confuse the issue as they look demonstrative rather than being the actual position. All that should be flashed up on a screen at the ground or an announcer keeping fans involved. Other decisions are harder but offside should be very easy

I'll be at Murrayfield tomorrow and no doubt there be be Rugbys version on VAR on show. It will be used to get cheats off teh pitch and to double check on teh refs decisions. The crowd will be able to watch too and make our minds up. It is sometimes a bit slow but the fans are still engaged as they can see what is happening. VAR as it is in Scotland will cost fan engagement and is very typically low rent and cheap.

[Callum_62]

Hmmm

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1591410180860030978?t=5RciyxdcCyEhzplnNyOikw&s=19

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https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1591501258573111296?t=Wr1stI81FV53Q4trcS7QcQ&s=19

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[wookie70]

Hmmm

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1591410180860030978?t=5RciyxdcCyEhzplnNyOikw&s=19

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https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1591501258573111296?t=Wr1stI81FV53Q4trcS7QcQ&s=19

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I watched that St Mirren one live and said I thought it was a pen at the time. I think it was more obvious that the one given against us today.

[SeanWilson]

I’m sure this has been done to death but it works at the rugby. Everyone’s micd up, everyone is aware of what they’re discussing and no one can ever complain about the final decision (which more often than not happens quicker than var). It’s not that difficult.

[LewysGot2]

It gets the majority of calls correct. That makes the game fairer.

If you're actually in Melbourne that might explain your comment. If you've been to a single game since its introduction then I'm lost. It's draining any spontaneity and joy from the game. And changing how it is being played and officiated...to the detriment of the product.

Matches shouldn't last over 100 minutes as a matter of course. Clubs like Aberdeen and Kilmarnock have been poor at communicating what is happening also - leaving fans lost and frustrated. They also don't have the screens we've already become accustomed to sharing visual information.

Pound shop Premiership.

Don't get me started on the head knock simulation carrying on that the rules have encouraged cheating teams to use that spoil the product, too...

[Santa Cruz]

I missed the goal; what happened?

highlights on sport scene just now, bbc scotland channel

[Donegal Hibby]

Hmmm

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1591410180860030978?t=5RciyxdcCyEhzplnNyOikw&s=19

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https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1591501258573111296?t=Wr1stI81FV53Q4trcS7QcQ&s=19

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VAR head quarters based in Glasgow aren't they
https://images.app.goo.gl/QACAjcPYTJJw63E49

[greenlex]

We are all pissed off with VAR and stating the bleeding obvious about time taken etc. The fact is if every one of those decisions had been in our favour we wouldn’t be anywhere near as pissed off . Particularly the time factor.

[Hibee Mac]

We are all pissed off with VAR and stating the bleeding obvious about time taken etc. The fact is if every one of those decisions had been in our favour we wouldn’t be anywhere near as pissed off . Particularly the time factor.Disagree, it's nothing to do with whether it's working in our favour or not. I've been saying the same things about var for long before it ever came to Scotland.

People are rightly pointing out that it's permanently changing the way the game is played and the fan experience in a negative way, no matter what way the decisions go.

[greenlex]

Disagree, it's nothing to do with whether it's working in our favour or not. I've been saying the same things about var for long before it ever came to Scotland.

People are rightly pointing out that it's permanently changing the way the game is played and the fan experience in a negative way, no matter what way the decisions go.
So you think there would be the same amount of dismay on here at VAR had they called in our favour? I think you’re kidding yourself on.

[HibeeHibernian4]

I think I’ve come to the conclusion today that VAR is reducing my enjoyment enough that I might stop going as much.

Welcome aboard.

[Callum_62]

Just watched sportscene there

The County pen
Killie pen
The Tynecastle drama

All have massively wrong calls in them

The cochrane tackle that var checked is borderline red - throw in hearts [emoji23]

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[Still Smiling]

Welcome aboard.

I’ve been getting more and more disillusioned with games. Players diving and collapsing all over the field, faking head injuries (Ross County game). Dreadful refereeing decisions at D Utd away, unbelievable VAR decisions eg Aberdeen penalty away. Inconsistent refereeing in general. I’ve been a season ticket holder for decades but seriously fed up with all the above and poor performances. There I feel better for that!

[Callum_62]

I’ve been getting more and more disillusioned with games. Players diving and collapsing all over the field, faking head injuries (Ross County game). Dreadful refereeing decisions at D Utd away, unbelievable VAR decisions eg Aberdeen penalty away. Inconsistent refereeing in general. I’ve been a season ticket holder for decades but seriously fed up with all the above and poor performances. There I feel better for that!I agree with alot it that

We seem to be trying our hardest to make our game as unwatchable as possible

I've mentioned it a few times recently but atleast England are addressing some of the physical contact issues

We on the other hand give fouls for the slightest touch

We are zooming in and watching 20 replays to identify any contact to justify a foul

Its making what was already a largely frustrating watch worse

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[Glory Lurker]

I said to my pals today that I reckon I've got a season left in me thanks to VAR. That's only because I try to be optimistic, and at this point can't imagine not renewing next summer only because of VAR. That's the optimism again though - I can't accept just now that it will continue to be as bad as it is. That's going to be misplaced, isn't it?

[Trinity Hibee]

https://twitter.com/zeshankenzo/status/1591501258573111296?s=46&t=itHx8aodiXbEdp43uamtOw

Here is another ludicrous decision by VAR

[Carheenlea]

https://twitter.com/zeshankenzo/status/1591501258573111296?s=46&t=itHx8aodiXbEdp43uamtOw

Here is another ludicrous decision by VAR

Struggling to see what’s going on there :dunno:

[Callum_62]

How many minutes they wasted looking at this

...... Throw in Hearts

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https://twitter.com/DaveBlackLFC/status/1591514581176049665?t=80-4o3cY79xPr4_acg1D7g&s=19

There's another decision at tynie that's literally unbelievable

Livi goalie absolutely smashes Cammy Devlin - clear pen

Ignored

Killie pen yesterday and Ross. County oen yesterday absolute jokes and yet we have a clear as day foul ignored

Its a total lottery

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[blackpoolhibs]

Hmmm

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1591410180860030978?t=5RciyxdcCyEhzplnNyOikw&s=19

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I think the St Mirren one shows without doubt, that Scottish football is corrupt to the core.

[flash]

I have been going for 40 odd years and seen some absolutely dire Hibs teams in my time.
That wouldn't stop me renewing my season ticket but VAR might if it keeps going like this.
It's like a joy vacuum with everything scrutinised to a ridiculous degree which would be understandable if that led to 100% accuracy in decisions.
Instead we get referees on the park just not making any big decisions and leaving it to the VAR guy who is often a rookie ref with no top division experience.
Then to top it off the ref on the park just blindly agrees with whatever the VAR boy comes up with regardless of whether he is right.
As for offsides we have been shafted twice already with decisions made by millimetres when clearly the system isn't precise enough to make calls that tight.
It needs binned in my opinion as it causes far more grief than it saves.

[PaulSmith]

I have been going for 40 odd years and seen some absolutely dire Hibs teams in my time.
That wouldn't stop me renewing my season ticket but VAR might if it keeps going like this.
It's like a joy vacuum with everything scrutinised to a ridiculous degree which would be understandable if that led to 100% accuracy in decisions.
Instead we get referees on the park just not making any big decisions and leaving it to the VAR guy who is often a rookie ref with no top division experience.
Then to top it off the ref on the park just blindly agrees with whatever the VAR boy comes up with regardless of whether he is right.
As for offsides we have been shafted twice already with decisions made by millimetres when clearly the system isn't precise enough to make calls that tight.
It needs binned in my opinion as it causes far more grief than it saves.

This is exactly where I am and we aren’t in a minority as there are fans of every club across the country who feel the same. The SPFL, the clubs, must seek an immediate meeting with the Head of Refereeing at the SFA to sort this mess out otherwise it’s going to have a serious financial and reputational impact to the game.

[degenerated]

I have been going for 40 odd years and seen some absolutely dire Hibs teams in my time.
That wouldn't stop me renewing my season ticket but VAR might if it keeps going like this.
It's like a joy vacuum with everything scrutinised to a ridiculous degree which would be understandable if that led to 100% accuracy in decisions.
Instead we get referees on the park just not making any big decisions and leaving it to the VAR guy who is often a rookie ref with no top division experience.
Then to top it off the ref on the park just blindly agrees with whatever the VAR boy comes up with regardless of whether he is right.
As for offsides we have been shafted twice already with decisions made by millimetres when clearly the system isn't precise enough to make calls that tight.
It needs binned in my opinion as it causes far more grief than it saves.Having referees that were in any way competent would be a good start. If the ones that we see in SPFL are the cream of the crop it beggars belief as to how bad the rest of them must be.

[DaveF]

This is exactly where I am and we aren’t in a minority as there are fans of every club across the country who feel the same. The SPFL, the clubs, must seek an immediate meeting with the Head of Refereeing at the SFA to sort this mess out otherwise it’s going to have a serious financial and reputational impact to the game.

I hope something is done as I agree 100% with the last few comments. It's killing the game and the decision making is ludicrous. Get rid.

[DaveF]

https://twitter.com/zeshankenzo/status/1591501258573111296?s=46&t=itHx8aodiXbEdp43uamtOw

Here is another ludicrous decision by VAR

Lol, that is ridiculous to give a penalty for that. Get VAR binned right now. What the hell are the referees thinking in giving that?

[PaulSmith]

There’s a cartel in refereeing that centres around Lanarkshire and Glasgow.

Looking at the names of the current crop of refs that are either doing games in person or in the VAR room there is not ONE from eastern central Scotland.

That doesn’t indicate bias in terms of decisions on the park but it does mean that officials are promoted, and retained, not based on ability but by their postcode.

Why, because the people promoting them are linked to their own regional associations.

[allyh1bs]

Killing the game in Scotland. Only Scottish referees can get more decisions wrong with TV help than they did before.

Turned our game into a total farce.

Sums it up for me. Should have been an opportunity to improve things. Taken with the time wasting, play acting and plastic pitches, the game here is becoming unwatchable. I’ve been going for 58 years and I never envisaged feeling this way.


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[paddy1875]

Why wasn’t the referee sent to the screen yesterday for the penalty call? Just stopped play then awarded the penalty going by the highlights?


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[greenlex]

Why wasn’t the referee sent to the screen yesterday for the penalty call? Just stopped play then awarded the penalty going by the highlights?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think it’s because it’s a factual thing like offside. He gave the foul and var confirmed it was inside the box therefore a penalty. They don’t ask them to view offsides.
However I think I’m right in saying that had he given the penalty in the first place VAR could have looked at the foul itself ti see if it was a penalty if not but as he didn’t VAR doesnt get involved whether it’s a foul or not only where it took place. Maybe someone who actually knows might clarify.

[green day]

I think it’s because it’s a factual thing like offside. He gave the foul and var confirmed it was inside the box therefore a penalty. They don’t ask them to view offsides.
However I think I’m right in saying that had he given the penalty in the first place VAR could have looked at the foul itself ti see if it was a penalty if not but as he didn’t VAR doesnt get involved whether it’s a foul or not only where it took place. Maybe someone who actually knows might clarify.

This is the right explanation.

[Keith_M]

We are all pissed off with VAR and stating the bleeding obvious about time taken etc. The fact is if every one of those decisions had been in our favour we wouldn’t be anywhere near as pissed off . Particularly the time factor.


Spoke to a Killie fan about this in the way home yesterday and he says he finds the whole thing a farce as well and would prefer it to get dumped.

That's even with having benefited from it twice yesterday... he said he was totally bemused at the penalty decision, as was everybody around him.

[Callum_62]

This is the right explanation.Is it? I don't think pens are factual

If var thinks its clearly not a foul they can tell him to have another look

Which is what they should have done yesterday.... And not a 1 second zoomed in clip to see if there's a brush of contact but a 10 second clip in normal speed showing the action in context

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[B.H.F.C]

Pen was soft but it was ridiculous from Cabraja to try and make a challenge in that position.

I bloody hate VAR though. The length of time they take to make decisions is brutal.

[paddy1875]

I think it’s because it’s a factual thing like offside. He gave the foul and var confirmed it was inside the box therefore a penalty. They don’t ask them to view offsides.
However I think I’m right in saying that had he given the penalty in the first place VAR could have looked at the foul itself ti see if it was a penalty if not but as he didn’t VAR doesnt get involved whether it’s a foul or not only where it took place. Maybe someone who actually knows might clarify.

I don’t realise the referee actually blew for a foul at the time. The tv showed it as the lineman flagging for a corner. Surely he was better placed. Then after a var review it would’ve surely pulled the referee in for a wee look.

Personally I don’t care how long it takes them to review these calls at all. The problem is it’s actually getting more decisions incorrect then correct.

Iv said this previously but the way it going right now is only fuelling the fire of bias against the two teams playing in green and white in Scotland


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[JohnM1875]

I was all for it being introduced up here, but I actually despise it now. Not because a few decisions have gone against us, Melks was offside yesterday and I think it's a pen and daft challenge from Cabraja.

The first few weeks of it has been farcical up here. I'm not a huge Postecoglou fan, think he's a bit of a helmet, but he's spot on about VAR. It's not new, been up and running world wide for years now and it's nothing short of embarrassing the mess we're making of it.

[green day]

Is it? I don't think pens are factual

If var thinks its clearly not a foul they can tell him to have another look

Which is what they should have done yesterday.... And not a 1 second zoomed in clip to see if there's a brush of contact but a 10 second clip in normal speed showing the action in context

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The ref (or linesman, doesnt matter) gave a free kick.

As it was so close to the pen box, VAR looked at it. It was inside the box, not outside - thats the factual bit.

[Carheenlea]

I was all for it being introduced up here, but I actually despise it now. Not because a few decisions have gone against us, Melks was offside yesterday and I think it's a pen and daft challenge from Cabraja.

The first few weeks of it has been farcical up here. I'm not a huge Postecoglou fan, think he's a bit of a helmet, but he's spot on about VAR. It's not new, been up and running world wide for years now and it's nothing short of embarrassing the mess we're making of it.

It would be interesting to see how many like yourself who were keen advocates of VAR have nowchanged their view? Still reading a few who still believe it will be for the better of the game, but those voices appear to be coming more isolated.

I wasn’t for it from the start and my view has become cemented even further after what we have experienced to date. I didn’t think it could even be this bad.

[eastterrace]

It would be interesting to see how many like yourself who were keen advocates of VAR have nowchanged their view? Still reading a few who still believe it will be for the better of the game, but those voices appear to be coming more isolated.

I wasn’t for it from the start and my view has become cemented even further after what we have experienced to date. I didn’t think it could even be this bad.
Yeh I thought VAR would have been a lot better than what it is. I was wanting it in but now I’ve changed my mind it’s destroying the game I was brought up on. Also the spontaneity of celebrating a goal has gone for good and the time it takes to make a decision. If it doesn’t improve then I won’t be going back next season ( hibs being crap doesn’t help either).

[gbhibby]

VAR could work bur there has to be changes to some rules offside being one. Watching
Hibs playing against European teams in the 60s and 70s we used to moan on how easily the European players went down at the slightest touch. This is now the norm in our game nowadays, and to be frank it is ruining the game. There are too many fouls given when the player as soon as he feels contact they go down. We will benefit from some VAR decisions, some will go against us. This was the same before VAR. Other sports have refs mic'd up Rugby, American football(most football matches would have to kick off after 9.00pm due to the bad language picked up by the ref mic). There should be trial games where refs are mic'd up and we can hear the exchanges between refs and the VAR refs, we have the technology to do this now.

[Callum_62]

Explain this one

https://twitter.com/HMFC_1874_/status/1591528844280070146?t=vEfa8c1Qw3BI1d-646zWNQ&s=19

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[Carheenlea]

It’s putting referees under even more scrutiny than before.

It’s a sport who’s rules and how you interpret them as largely subjective. There’s now a zero tolerance of “wrong decisions” and intense examination of tight calls.

The long game may be that people will be discouraged from taking up refereeing, or at least at senior level. Why put yourself in such an environment? I certainly wouldn’t.

[brog]

Many of the comments on here about wrong decisions have nothing to do with VAR. Many of the original decisions were wrong to start with. Similarly the ludicrous penalty awarded against us at Pittodrie wasn't wholly down to VAR, it was down to the incorrect interpretation of the incident by the officials. However in that same game, VAR correctly awarded us a goal which had been incorrectly ruled out.
What VAR is doing is identifying to a wider audience just how shockingly incompetent (at best) our officials are.

[chrisski33]

Cant believe theres so much fuss over it. Its been used elsewhere effectively evem the egg chasers(rugby) use it without a fuss

[bigwheel]

Cant believe theres so much fuss over it. Its been used elsewhere effectively evem the egg chasers(rugby) use it without a fuss

Do you think it’s being used well in scottish football so far ?

[chrisski33]

No whch shocks ne as im sure theres experts out there who have experience who could have been employed to make sure it was.

[hibbydad]

Do you think it’s being used well in scottish football so far ?
Definitely not it is ruining the game for spectators

[JGS56]

Cant believe theres so much fuss over it. Its been used elsewhere effectively evem the egg chasers(rugby) use it without a fuss

In rugby the fans can see what the referee is looking at, and can hear his conversation with the TMO (Television Match Official) about a decision.

[McGruber]

Many of the comments on here about wrong decisions have nothing to do with VAR. Many of the original decisions were wrong to start with. Similarly the ludicrous penalty awarded against us at Pittodrie wasn't wholly down to VAR, it was down to the incorrect interpretation of the incident by the officials. However in that same game, VAR correctly awarded us a goal which had been incorrectly ruled out.
What VAR is doing is identifying to a wider audience just how shockingly incompetent (at best) our officials are.

You are right in it showing the poor officiating but the penalty at Aberdeen was down to VAR. Ref gave a goal kick. VAR changed it to a penalty.

As said many times it's more than decisions, it's the delays and the interruptions. It ruins the spectacle. There were shouts of 'just give the f*****g thing' at Pittodrie as we waited 5 mins twiddling thumbs.

The trade off isn't worth it to get some decsisions correct, especially waiting 5 mins for the decison still to be wrong like the killie and Aberdeen penalties.

Offsides by leg hairs can do one aswell

[wookie70]

Another few decisions at the Rugby today. Knew what was happening with the big screen and almost after first viewing knew what way it was going to go. Ref made the decision expected and no real issues in the time it took as they were big moments in the game and the crowd could deliberate with the officials.

[bigwheel]

No whch shocks ne as im sure theres experts out there who have experience who could have been employed to make sure it was.

Ah. Ok. Understand. That’s a good point - the SFA feel like a real “not invented here” bunch

[bigwheel]

Definitely not it is ruining the game for spectators

Agree. Was really Frustrating yesterday with no communication on a number of VAR reviews

[HendoDelivered]

Don’t see it lasting up here.

[B.H.F.C]

You are right in it showing the poor officiating but the penalty at Aberdeen was down to VAR. Ref gave a goal kick. VAR changed it to a penalty.

As said many times it's more than decisions, it's the delays and the interruptions. It ruins the spectacle. There were shouts of 'just give the f*****g thing' at Pittodrie as we waited 5 mins twiddling thumbs.

The trade off isn't worth it to get some decsisions correct, especially waiting 5 mins for the decison still to be wrong like the killie and Aberdeen penalties.

Offsides by leg hairs can do one aswell

The one against us up at Pittodrie the ref was going to give a penalty at the time. He didn’t because the linesman flagged for offside so we had the free kick. Once VAR had confirmed it wasn’t offside he was asked to look at the monitor and decided to give the penalty. Thinking it was a penalty in the first instance was bad enough. Getting to look at it and still giving a penalty was beyond belief. The officials are terrible.

[brog]

The one against us up at Pittodrie the ref was going to give a penalty at the time. He didn’t because the linesman flagged for offside so we had the free kick. Once VAR had confirmed it wasn’t offside he was asked to look at the monitor and decided to give the penalty. Thinking it was a penalty in the first instance was bad enough. Getting to look at it and still giving a penalty was beyond belief. The officials are terrible.

A perfect summary. VAR didn't give the penalty. The incompetent officials in the studio did that and it was confirmed by the clown on the park. If they had just stopped the replay they would have seen Duk in mid air long before any contact.

[Sir David Gray]

Don’t see it lasting up here.

I do, there's no going back now. It's here to stay.

[Criswell]

I'd like to see the whole VAR experiment abandoned ASAP. It is proving far more controversial than what we had to put up with before. It is the antithesis of what is was supposed to prevent.

[Carheenlea]

I do, there's no going back now. It's here to stay.


I'd like to see the whole VAR experiment abandoned ASAP. It is proving far more controversial than what we had to put up with before. It is the antithesis of what is was supposed to prevent.

Can see this project being abandoned by New Year, or before the next Old Firm game whenever that is. Must be real concerns ahead of that fixture of what the potential fall out could be if decisions like we’ve seen to date continue into that match.

Take some time out, address the issues that have blighted it such as far too narrow margins for offsides, overly penal penalty awards etc. Scale it back to be used as an aid for referees rather than the domineering presence it has over games and let officials make more natural decisions as they see it in real time, like the spectators in the ground.

Start afresh with it next season.

[McGruber]

The one against us up at Pittodrie the ref was going to give a penalty at the time. He didn’t because the linesman flagged for offside so we had the free kick. Once VAR had confirmed it wasn’t offside he was asked to look at the monitor and decided to give the penalty. Thinking it was a penalty in the first instance was bad enough. Getting to look at it and still giving a penalty was beyond belief. The officials are terrible.

Not that it particularly matters but that's not the impression I got. Looked a clear dive and ref looked liked he was on his way to book Duk for diving. If he saw a penalty initially to change it for the flag there wouldn't have been the ridiculous 5 min stoppage. Duk was standing about during that time expecting to be booked. Penalty took everyone by surprise, even his. He knew he bought one.

[McGruber]

A perfect summary. VAR didn't give the penalty. The incompetent officials in the studio did that and it was confirmed by the clown on the park. If they had just stopped the replay they would have seen Duk in mid air long before any contact.

The incompetent officials in the studio are VAR. That's the problem.

It needs binned, it has been awful.

[GreenCastle]

Can see this project being abandoned by New Year, or before the next Old Firm game whenever that is. Must be real concerns ahead of that fixture of what the potential fall out could be if decisions like we’ve seen to date continue into that match.

Take some time out, address the issues that have blighted it such as far too narrow margins for offsides, overly penal penalty awards etc. Scale it back to be used as an aid for referees rather than the domineering presence it has over games and let officials make more natural decisions as they see it in real time, like the spectators in the ground.

Start afresh with it next season.

I’m hoping it’s here for the old firm - they make an absolute mess of it and it causes even more uproar and controversy.

Watched some of the rugby league the other day and it’s amazing how simple they made it with the checking of decisions / clear communication by refs and replays.

Football couldn’t make it any more worse if they tried.

[ekhibee]

For me it looks like the only way VAR is going to really work in Scotland is if they have totally neutral people on VAR, not the same incompetent referees that currently officiate at games. Maybe have it done by referees outside Scotland, I don't know. That won't happen though, at least not for years to come. They took longer than everybody else to launch it up here, it'll take another few years before we see any significant progression. Just my opinion like.

[H18 SFR]

Just heard the SFA chief exec on the radio saying they made a presentation to club owners and CEO’s yesterday proving that VAR has been a success and is working as planned.

[HoboHarry]

Just heard the SFA chief exec on the radio saying they made a presentation to club owners and CEO’s yesterday proving that VAR has been a success and is working as planned.
Yes and he has more s***e in him than a Christmas goose.

[Eyrie]

Just heard the SFA chief exec on the radio saying they made a presentation to club owners and CEO’s yesterday proving that VAR has been a success and is working as planned.

Only if VAR was planned to avoid referees making decisions and then delay the game for several minutes whilst lines are doodled on a screen to work out if a forward remembered to trim his nasal hair.

[Donegal Hibby]

Don't think it's benefited Hibs to much and find to many flaws with it ,sounds like he's trying to convince himself it's good though
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/scottish-premiership-benefits-from-var-with-8-increase-in-correct-decisions-as-sfa-claims-it-has-worked-3937548

[Itsnoteasy]

Messi penalty has to be one of a line of atrocious var decisions.

[HoboHarry]

Messi penalty has to be one of a line of atrocious var decisions.

Laughable wasn't it? Said it many times now but I just don't understand how they manage to see things that just aren't there. I also don't understand why referees don't stand their ground and tell VAR no, at least on occasion.

[CentreLine]

Messi penalty has to be one of a line of atrocious var decisions.

I was raging at this decision but on about the 10th time of watching it looks like the keeper makes a deliberate movement to push his thumb in to Messi’s face/eye. Clear and obvious error? Probably not but if that’s what VAR and the referee see then they have a decision to make.

[Donegal Hibby]

I was raging at this decision but on about the 10th time of watching it looks like the keeper makes a deliberate movement to push his thumb in to Messi’s face/eye. Clear and obvious error? Probably not but if that’s what VAR and the referee see then they have a decision to make.
Very soft penalty but the fact that the keeper came for the ball and got nothing on it but made contact with the player even though there might not have been to much contact in it ,left a decision to be made , definitely a error of judgement by the keeper though.

[JimBHibees]

Very soft penalty but the fact that the keeper came for the ball and got nothing on it but made contact with the player even though there might not have been to much contact in it ,left a decision to be made , definitely a error of judgement by the keeper though.

He did get the ball didnt he?

[Donegal Hibby]

He did get the ball didnt he?
I honestly thought he missed it though I only seen it 3 times. If he has got the ball it's a worse decision than I thought but if he hasn't I do think it's a soft penalty but I can see why it might be given.

[Eyrie]

Laughable wasn't it? Said it many times now but I just don't understand how they manage to see things that just aren't there. I also don't understand why referees don't stand their ground and tell VAR no, at least on occasion.

The referee is under pressure immediately because there is a presumption that VAR has identified something.

Too often what VAR has found/invented after five minutes of slow motion replays from half a dozen different angles is no more the correct decision than that given at the time so I'd back any referee who did stand their ground, even if the decision was against us.

[Feed McGraw]

The referee is under pressure immediately because there is a presumption that VAR has identified something.

Too often what VAR has found/invented after five minutes of slow motion replays from half a dozen different angles is no more the correct decision than that given at the time so I'd back any referee who did stand their ground, even if the decision was against us. Well said, pretty much sums it up for me.

[theonlywayisup]

The concept of VAR is good. The application of it is wrong.

I'd like there to be clearer and stricter applied rules. In recent examples, I'd:

For the Messi penalty example, where there is contact (so a foul) but there's no chance of a goal scoring opportunity (he had headed wide before the contact was made), I'd give an indirect freekick inside the box.
Same for these ridiculous ones where a player has touched the ball in the box, but no immediate goal-scoring opportunity was denied. For example, the one when the guy was on the deck and the ball brushed his hand. Same for crosses into the box that are obstructed by someones hand which is behind their back. Different if someone is actually trying to block the cross, but not for the unintentional.
Offsides need a thicker line and the key part of the body being your chest. It's impossible to state exactly when the ball was kicked and align that with the movement of an attacker and a defender, so let's build in a buffer.
Ditto for whether the ball was out of play, as in the case of last night.

[Since452]

They should have used VAR during the England v Wales game when the ball clearly bounced off an England player and instead of a goal kick to Wales they awarded a corner to England. Imagine that resulted in a goal? Luckily it didn't but at 0-0 it would have been a game changing moment.

[GreenGray]

Just heard the SFA chief exec on the radio saying they made a presentation to club owners and CEO’s yesterday proving that VAR has been a success and is working as planned.

This is worrying, VAR is now reffing the games In Scotland not the refs, they don’t make decisions any more because they know they have VAR.


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[HoboHarry]

This is worrying, VAR is now reffing the games In Scotland not the refs, they don’t make decisions any more because they know they have VAR.


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In the last two years in England I know of only one occasion when the referee stuck to guns after going to the screen. Seems clear to me that that's not a review process, that's the referees flat out being over-ruled.

[Lago]

Var is rubbish, taking the spontaneity and joy out of the game.

[Eyrie]

They should have used VAR during the England v Wales game when the ball clearly bounced off an England player and instead of a goal kick to Wales they awarded a corner to England. Imagine that resulted in a goal? Luckily it didn't but at 0-0 it would have been a game changing moment.

VAR sticks its arrogant nose in too often as it is without quibbling over corners and throw ins.

[ancient hibee]

VAR. Ludicrous decision made to use it in some cup games. You surely can't have a competition as important as the Scottish Cup with games played under different playing conditions.

[Trinity Hibee]

VAR. Ludicrous decision made to use it in some cup games. You surely can't have a competition as important as the Scottish Cup with games played under different playing conditions.

Whilst I do agree it should be the same in all games, is it not beneficial that in a semi/final decisions are correct? Can see the argument for both

[ancient hibee]

Whilst I do agree it should be the same in all games, is it not beneficial that in a semi/final decisions are correct? Can see the argument for both

No problem with semi and final games but I think it’s wrong to have different playing conditions for teams in the same round.

[where'stheslope]

Does VAR get switched off when the game goes to penalties?
The 2 games that I've seen penalties, the keeper has been well off the line to save them.
I know they stopped booking the keepers for encroaching at penalties, but from what I've seen it should be brought back!!!

[worcesterhibby]

the whole basis of VAR is flawed. Sport is a way for humans to challenge each other, to live out a physical battle. It should be a reflection of life..you do your best, you try hard you take defeat on the chin and you enjoy celebrating vistory. Sometimes life isn't fair..sometimes things go against you. Trying to scientifically scrutanise every decision is nonsense...is misses the whole point of sport. Particularly a spectator sport like football..it should be about spontanious acts of skill and endevour on the field and sponatious acts of joy and anguish on the terraces. VAR takes this all away, tries to sanatise sport.

I hate it...watching VAR in the SPFL has actually made me not bother coming up to watch games since it started, I hate it and it just frustrates me, so why should I spend £400 plus travelling up for the weekend to watch a game that seems to be designed to remove the joy.

I support Hibs and I love the club, so I came up to watch the Hanlon Stevenson foundation match...no VAR thank god. I can handle Hibs being crap..I can't handle VAR. Another lost supporter in the ground. Very sad.

[H18 SFR]

VAR is still very much in my thoughts. It’s going to be enough to stop me renewing my ST unless they get a proper grip on implementing it here.

[CentreLine]

VAR is still very much in my thoughts. It’s going to be enough to stop me renewing my ST unless they get a proper grip on implementing it here.

Sadly, whenever obscene amounts of money became involved in football, the stakes became too high for mere mortals to referee. It’s here to stay.
One day it will be an AI referee and actually that might balance it all back up. After all, it might be difficult to justify uploading bias in to an AI robot

[nonshinyfinish]

One day it will be an AI referee and actually that might balance it all back up. After all, it might be difficult to justify uploading bias in to an AI robot

Serious response to a (presumably) light-hearted comment: bias in AI is common because bias usually exists in the human data/decisions they are trained on. What could possibly go wrong…

[SickBoy32]

the whole basis of VAR is flawed. Sport is a way for humans to challenge each other, to live out a physical battle. It should be a reflection of life..you do your best, you try hard you take defeat on the chin and you enjoy celebrating vistory. Sometimes life isn't fair..sometimes things go against you. Trying to scientifically scrutanise every decision is nonsense...is misses the whole point of sport. Particularly a spectator sport like football..it should be about spontanious acts of skill and endevour on the field and sponatious acts of joy and anguish on the terraces. VAR takes this all away, tries to sanatise sport.

I hate it...watching VAR in the SPFL has actually made me not bother coming up to watch games since it started, I hate it and it just frustrates me, so why should I spend £400 plus travelling up for the weekend to watch a game that seems to be designed to remove the joy.

I support Hibs and I love the club, so I came up to watch the Hanlon Stevenson foundation match...no VAR thank god. I can handle Hibs being crap..I can't handle VAR. Another lost supporter in the ground. Very sad.

Great post mate.

Personally I'm not quite at the stage of stopping attending due to VAR, but if the first few weeks are anything to go by, it may prevent me renewing my ST tbh.

Went to a junior game the other weekend and thought it was a breath of fresh air to just watch a game flow naturally, no nonsense pens given etc.

Fans (football tourists mainly - not proper fans IMO) chanting for VAR to be used at one of the World Cup games kind of shows it up for what it is, a total nonsense that this new breed of spectator are getting right behind sadly.

[s.a.m]

the whole basis of VAR is flawed. Sport is a way for humans to challenge each other, to live out a physical battle. It should be a reflection of life..you do your best, you try hard you take defeat on the chin and you enjoy celebrating vistory. Sometimes life isn't fair..sometimes things go against you. Trying to scientifically scrutanise every decision is nonsense...is misses the whole point of sport. Particularly a spectator sport like football..it should be about spontanious acts of skill and endevour on the field and sponatious acts of joy and anguish on the terraces. VAR takes this all away, tries to sanatise sport.

I hate it...watching VAR in the SPFL has actually made me not bother coming up to watch games since it started, I hate it and it just frustrates me, so why should I spend £400 plus travelling up for the weekend to watch a game that seems to be designed to remove the joy.

I support Hibs and I love the club, so I came up to watch the Hanlon Stevenson foundation match...no VAR thank god. I can handle Hibs being crap..I can't handle VAR. Another lost supporter in the ground. Very sad.

That's pretty much how I feel about it. It won't stop me watching, but it's definitely spoiled it for me.