That's Enough Now

[One Day Soon]

Johnson clearly doesn't now how to get the best out of the squad he's got (TBF that best isn't going to be particularly good anyway). He promised us a high tempo and high press game and he's completely failed to deliver it. His losing run is awful.

Ron Gordon's team in charge of the club do not know how to manage and lead a Scottish premiership football club and absolutely are not safe to leave in charge of recruitment.

Today we struggled against a side that was equal bottom of the league at the start. That's how bad we are.

Johnson needs to go and Gordon needs to be held to account for his failing stewardship.

['mon the beers]

The new manager will still have to play the likes of Hanlon, Stevenson, Campbell….you could list so many here. The squad is lacking in quality and without Boyle there is a complete lack of pace in the side.

LJ is just going to be the latest manager thrown under the bus by those upstairs at ER and the lack of leaders on the park.

[One Day Soon]

The new manager will still have to play the likes of Hanlon, Stevenson, Campbell….you could list so many here. The squad is lacking in quality and without Boyle there is a complete lack of pace in the side.

LJ is just going to be the latest manager thrown under the bus by those upstairs at ER and the lack of leaders on the park.


He's culpable too. He says he has final say on signings so either that's true and his judgement is awful or its not true in which case he's talking pish. Either way with a squad that size there is no justification for losing the number of games he has and for his team on the park looking so shapeless, aimless and gutless.

I don't absolve those above him either, they too have many questions to answer about their priorities, their fitness for purpose as club custodians and their true intentions for the club.

Bottom line, he's either not good enough as a manager or he's being undermined by those above him. Either way he is complicit if he's just keeping his head down.

['mon the beers]

He's culpable too. He says he has final say on signings so either that's true and his judgement is awful or its not true in which case he's talking pish. Either way with a squad that size there is no justification for losing the number of games he has and for his team on the park looking so shapeless, aimless and gutless.

I don't absolve those above him either, they too have many questions to answer about their priorities, their fitness for purpose as club custodians and their true intentions for the club.

Bottom line, he's either not good enough as a manager or he's being undermined by those above him. Either way he is complicit if he's just keeping his head down.

I am in no way defending Johnson’s record, it just feels like we have been here before all too recently!

[One Day Soon]

I am in no way defending Johnson’s record, it just feels like we have been here before all too recently!

You're right, it's ****ing Groundhibs Day.

[Steve20]

No point changing manager. While this clown Ron Gordon is running our club, the product on the pitch will be awful.

Commercial partnership announced on Monday no doubt.

[Scotty Leither]

He's culpable too. He says he has final say on signings so either that's true and his judgement is awful or its not true in which case he's talking pish. Either way with a squad that size there is no justification for losing the number of games he has and for his team on the park looking so shapeless, aimless and gutless.

I don't absolve those above him either, they too have many questions to answer about their priorities, their fitness for purpose as club custodians and their true intentions for the club.

Bottom line, he's either not good enough as a manager or he's being undermined by those above him. Either way he is complicit if he's just keeping his head down.

I agree with your sentiments, but if he actively and overtly slags the club in public then he’d be in breach of contract.

There was plenty endeavour in that second half, albeit with a whiff of desperation, much of it down to the total lack of quality in ANYONE in a Hibs strip.

If he is sacked, Gordon has big questions to answer, and so does his son who gets the freest of free rides at Easter Road.

Get him to **** out the road of recruitment, bring in a Director of Football that has a mutual respect and understanding with the manager and give them free rein with signings within the budget.

Stop over complicating something that’s not really that hard, and no more “projects” that have got fancy show reels and not much else.

[Steve Austin]

You're right, it's ****ing Groundhibs Day.


Think Lee is fast becoming our Daniel Stendel!!!.
rember he promised Gegenpress !! To hearts and fast football!!
I want to see him succeed,but has he understood Scottish football and what it takes player wise in this league?
This is mirroring what has happened at his previous clubs see Bristol and Sunderland?
worrying times …:confused:

[Since452]

Until we stop having the likes of Hanlon starting games we'll never progress. Serial loser. Doesn't matter who the manager is.

[Tully]

I'm afraid our team is full of bottlers,soon as we went 1 down we were beat,what did we do to get back into the game lump big punts up the park,mostly the same players who got the last 2 manager's sacked,we have no charactet or fight just a team who don't roll up there sleeves in the face of adversity,players need to have pride and commitment to the cause,we have none,hibs fans are and have been taking for mugs for years we need to stand up and let this faceless owner know how we feel and get this ceo his son and the rest of the hanger ons out of our club and appoint a proper director of football as we are a rudderless club heading towards the championship

[NC1875]

Until we stop having the likes of Hanlon starting games we'll never progress. Serial loser. Doesn't matter who the manager is.

Couldn’t agree more and been saying it for years. Serial loser who’s played his part in every capitulation in the last 15 years yet people are telling us how good he’s is. Mental!

Massive part of the problem. Not just footballing ability but mentally as well. Soft as

[heretoday]

Until we stop having the likes of Hanlon starting games we'll never progress. Serial loser. Doesn't matter who the manager is.

We're too sentimental at Easter Road.

[Donegal Hibby]

Is this the same serial loser that has a Scottish cup winners medal?

[truehibernian]

Is this the same serial loser that has a Scottish cup winners medal?

Paul and Lewis are club legends, that’s never ever in doubt. What is, is their ability at this level now.

We’re an elite football club, not a charity or pension top up - football has no place for sentiment, it’s unforgiving.

They’ll be back at some point in their coaching careers, but they’ve both had their time.

[Donegal Hibby]

Paul and Lewis are club legends, that’s never ever in doubt. What is, is their ability at this level now.

We’re an elite football club, not a charity or pension top up - football has no place for sentiment, it’s unforgiving.

They’ll be back at some point in their coaching careers, but they’ve both had their time.
Paul Hanlon 32 just , players go on a lot longer than that and to call him a serial loser is the most ridiculous statement ever!

[NC1875]

Paul Hanlon 32 just , players go on a lot longer than that and to call him a serial loser is the most ridiculous statement ever!

We’ve been massive underachievers during Paul Hanlons whole career, he’s played a part in that. Not good enough and shouldn’t be here for sentimental reasons.

He’s not the only one though and that’s the problem. Far too many below average players

[Newhaven]

Is this the same serial loser that has a Scottish cup winners medal?

The last time Lewis and Hanlon contributed anything to the team was in 2016. That’s 6 years of mediocre and weak performances. You happy with that attitude at the club?

[Newhaven]

We're too sentimental at Easter Road.

100%. Paul and Lewis should have been laid out to pasture many years ago.

[7Hero]

Until we stop having the likes of Hanlon starting games we'll never progress. Serial loser. Doesn't matter who the manager is.

FFS he played in the cup winning team, 500+ appearances, cares a lot about the club its not his fault he has to play ..

Hardly a loser. He may be past his best but its the clubs fault him and lewis are still required to play, the recruitment has been awful .. They should be smoking pipes in the dugout with their slippers on ready to be called on like the loyal hibs men they are if they are needed.

[Newhaven]

Paul and Lewis are club legends, that’s never ever in doubt. What is, is their ability at this level now.

We’re an elite football club, not a charity or pension top up - football has no place for sentiment, it’s unforgiving.

They’ll be back at some point in their coaching careers, but they’ve both had their time.

Both should be moved off the wage bill ASAP. Both are contributing zip to hibs currently.

[hibeerealist]

Both should be moved off the wage bill ASAP. Both are contributing zip to hibs currently.

Yes Lewis is in the twilight of his playing career, however, he regularly contributes FAR more than the superstar known as Newell who is a complete imposter.

[Donegal Hibby]

The last time Lewis and Hanlon contributed anything to the team was in 2016. That’s 6 years of mediocre and weak performances. You happy with that attitude at the club?
Both have contributed a lot since then . Lewis was fairly good today , guy never lets you down . Hanlon's 32 , Lewis is 34 and a good two good experienced players who I'm sure help the younger players.scott arfields 34 , ronaldos 37 and theres more than that saying they need to be put out to pasture is nonsense what's worse calling them serial losers.hibs fans regularly give out about players not showing loyalty I see that works the other way as well

[NAE NOOKIE]

This thread is already descending into discussions about individual players. The problem is much more serious than that, this is clearly a club that's lost it's way and forgotten what it's main aim is, which is to win football matches in the here and now, not in a year, not in 3 years, but now and our recruitment has to start reflecting that.

The signing of young untested kids has to stop now and a concerted effort made to identify and sign a bit of 'proven' quality, because if the folk running the club can't see how much we badly need a change of approach they never will .... we have a WC break which is followed by four fixtures, three of which are the toughest fixtures we face every season, with the punchline being a Livingston team having their best season in years as the game where we would hope to gain a victory.

Where we get that quality from and how we can afford it given the amount of money we have spaffed on mediocrity is the test Ron Gordon now faces and if he doesn't have the answers and damned quick then his long lasting honeymoon period is well and truly finished. So far he has deflected the flak by sacking managers and talking up the commercial success side of things.

After today the honeymoon period is well and truly over and sacking the manager or announcing another commercial deal isn't going cut it, he is about to be given a real wake up call as to the downside of buying a football club, lose the next 4 which seems almost inevitable at this point and it will be fiery torches and pitchforks agogo.

When RG bought this club one of the first things I posted was that I hope he is prepared to accept the fact that if it fails the buck will eventually stop with him ... That time has arrived and if he hasn't got the ability to see past his ego and bin the folk he has appointed who are driving us into the ground with a view to a change of direction then heaven help him ..... because the fans wont.

[wookie70]

FFS he played in the cup winning team, 500+ appearances, cares a lot about the club its not his fault he has to play ..

Hardly a loser. He may be past his best but its the clubs fault him and lewis are still required to play, the recruitment has been awful .. They should be smoking pipes in the dugout with their slippers on ready to be called on like the loyal hibs men they are if they are needed.

That is where I am at. They are still probably the best in their position at the club. That says much about our recruitment and Lewis could easily argue he should be playing in midfield each week never mind left sided defence. That says much about his desire and professionalism but we should really have found a replacement and he should be used as cover. The problem is that when we at long last find a replacement like Doig we sell them before they are at the level Lewis is. Hanlon played fine again today as he does most weeks. There aren't too many left sided players at Centre Half in the SPL I would take in front of him.

Like many have said our big problems lie in the midfield. They lack character and desire and rarely look like scoring goals. Our passing is abysmal and our crossing not much better. If McGeady, Magennis, Boyle and Nisbet were fit this would be a completely different team. Even just Boyle being out makes a difference.

[Heisenberg]

Open season on Paul Hanlon as usual but god forbid you call out Ryan Porteous for playing *****.

[marinello59]

This thread is already descending into discussions about individual players. The problem is much more serious than that, this is clearly a club that's lost it's way and forgotten what it's main aim is, which is to win football matches in the here and now, not in a year, not in 3 years, but now and our recruitment has to start reflecting that.

The signing of young untested kids has to stop now and a concerted effort made to identify and sign a bit of 'proven' quality, because if the folk running the club can't see how much we badly need a change of approach they never will .... we have a WC break which is followed by four fixtures, three of which are the toughest fixtures we face every season, with the punchline being a Livingston team having their best season in years as the game where we would hope to gain a victory.

Where we get that quality from and how we can afford it given the amount of money we have spaffed on mediocrity is the test Ron Gordon now faces and if he doesn't have the answers and damned quick then his long lasting honeymoon period is well and truly finished. So far he has deflected the flak by sacking managers and talking up the commercial success side of things.

After today the honeymoon period is well and truly over and sacking the manager or announcing another commercial deal isn't going cut it, he is about to be given a real wake up call as to the downside of buying a football club, lose the next 4 which seems almost inevitable at this point and it will be fiery torches and pitchforks agogo.

When RG bought this club one of the first things I posted was that I hope he is prepared to accept the fact that if it fails the buck will eventually stop with him ... That time has arrived and if he hasn't got the ability to see past his ego and bin the folk he has appointed who are driving us into the ground with a view to a change of direction then heaven help him ..... because the fans wont.

:top marks

[truehibernian]

Open season on Paul Hanlon as usual but god forbid you call out Ryan Porteous for playing *****.

Both aren’t good enough - strikers must rub their hands knowing that’s who they’re up against. One with no pace, one who goes walk about and awol. Strikers dream.

[paddy1875]

The man is a balloon

So is our owner


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[Baader]

This thread is already descending into discussions about individual players. The problem is much more serious than that, this is clearly a club that's lost it's way and forgotten what it's main aim is, which is to win football matches in the here and now, not in a year, not in 3 years, but now and our recruitment has to start reflecting that.

The signing of young untested kids has to stop now and a concerted effort made to identify and sign a bit of 'proven' quality, because if the folk running the club can't see how much we badly need a change of approach they never will .... we have a WC break which is followed by four fixtures, three of which are the toughest fixtures we face every season, with the punchline being a Livingston team having their best season in years as the game where we would hope to gain a victory.

Where we get that quality from and how we can afford it given the amount of money we have spaffed on mediocrity is the test Ron Gordon now faces and if he doesn't have the answers and damned quick then his long lasting honeymoon period is well and truly finished. So far he has deflected the flak by sacking managers and talking up the commercial success side of things.

After today the honeymoon period is well and truly over and sacking the manager or announcing another commercial deal isn't going cut it, he is about to be given a real wake up call as to the downside of buying a football club, lose the next 4 which seems almost inevitable at this point and it will be fiery torches and pitchforks agogo.

When RG bought this club one of the first things I posted was that I hope he is prepared to accept the fact that if it fails the buck will eventually stop with him ... That time has arrived and if he hasn't got the ability to see past his ego and bin the folk he has appointed who are driving us into the ground with a view to a change of direction then heaven help him ..... because the fans wont.

Brilliant post. The direction this club is headed under the ownership of Ron Gordon set alarm bells ringing for me a while ago. Can't continue like this.

[Since452]

Is this the same serial loser that has a Scottish cup winners medal?

How many losers medals? He can't live off one day in May 2016 forever. We dropped out best defender today. Mad decision.

[Heisenberg]

How many losers medals? He can't live off one day in May 2016 forever. We dropped out best defender today. Mad decision.

Agree. Porteous should’ve been benched.

[Donegal Hibby]

How many losers medals? He can't live off one day in May 2016 forever.
I don't know and i couldn't care less , what's the most important thing is Paul Hanlon Scottish cup winner and Lewis Stevenson league cup and Scottish cup winner . Why wouldn't he ? Pauls a Hibs fan and like all Hibs fans we will live off that day forever .Stevenson and Hanlon aren't serial losers but Hibs winners:not worth

[He's here!]

This thread is already descending into discussions about individual players. The problem is much more serious than that, this is clearly a club that's lost it's way and forgotten what it's main aim is, which is to win football matches in the here and now, not in a year, not in 3 years, but now and our recruitment has to start reflecting that.

The signing of young untested kids has to stop now and a concerted effort made to identify and sign a bit of 'proven' quality, because if the folk running the club can't see how much we badly need a change of approach they never will .... we have a WC break which is followed by four fixtures, three of which are the toughest fixtures we face every season, with the punchline being a Livingston team having their best season in years as the game where we would hope to gain a victory.

Where we get that quality from and how we can afford it given the amount of money we have spaffed on mediocrity is the test Ron Gordon now faces and if he doesn't have the answers and damned quick then his long lasting honeymoon period is well and truly finished. So far he has deflected the flak by sacking managers and talking up the commercial success side of things.

After today the honeymoon period is well and truly over and sacking the manager or announcing another commercial deal isn't going cut it, he is about to be given a real wake up call as to the downside of buying a football club, lose the next 4 which seems almost inevitable at this point and it will be fiery torches and pitchforks agogo.

When RG bought this club one of the first things I posted was that I hope he is prepared to accept the fact that if it fails the buck will eventually stop with him ... That time has arrived and if he hasn't got the ability to see past his ego and bin the folk he has appointed who are driving us into the ground with a view to a change of direction then heaven help him ..... because the fans wont.

It won't be fiery pitchforks etc tho will it? Fans will simply stop showing up and wait until here's some sign of hope again somewhere down the line. We're a pretty passive fan base by and large. Sounding off in the pub or on message boards is about as far as any anger goes. Rotten fruit pelted at the players/dugout/directors box or a march on East Mains where fans shout abuse at the players and coaches would be demonstrating real anger. Not sure anyone really cares that much because when all's said and done it's only football.

[Smartie]

I’m seeing criticism for Stevenson, Hanlon and Porteous here - is that really merited today?

Stevenson - a left back, put in a good shift in midfield before fading a bit, 4 days after playing a big chunk of the game at WB at 34. Really part of the problem? He’s a very useful squad player and a great character to have around.

Hanlon - what exactly did he do wrong today? We were never really struggling defensively at any point and the goal we lost was from a brain fart / referee debacle from another player.

Porteous - some daft diving and noising folk up, he starts to act the dafty when we’re toiling. But was he REALLY that much of the problem today?

The midfield was way more culpable, the forwards, the way we attack and the dearth of good players we have who can play there.

[LewysGot2]

Paul and Lewis are club legends, that’s never ever in doubt. What is, is their ability at this level now.

We’re an elite football club, not a charity or pension top up - football has no place for sentiment, it’s unforgiving.

They’ll be back at some point in their coaching careers, but they’ve both had their time.

Lewis was my MotM today.

[Frogga]

I’m seeing criticism for Stevenson, Hanlon and Porteous here - is that really merited today?

Stevenson - a left back, put in a good shift in midfield before fading a bit, 4 days after playing a big chunk of the game at WB at 34. Really part of the problem? He’s a very useful squad player and a great character to have around.

Hanlon - what exactly did he do wrong today? We were never really struggling defensively at any point and the goal we lost was from a brain fart / referee debacle from another player.

Porteous - some daft diving and noising folk up, he starts to act the dafty when we’re toiling. But was he REALLY that much of the problem today?

The midfield was way more culpable, the forwards, the way we attack and the dearth of good players we have who can play there.

Yeah why are people picking out Lewis and Paul here... the guys have given their careers to Hibs and out of the 20+ players at our club are nowhere near the worst! Give them a break!

[B.H.F.C]

Yeah why are people picking out Lewis and Paul here... the guys have given their careers to Hibs and out of the 20+ players at our club are nowhere near the worst! Give them a break!

I don’t have a problem with Lewis, I have a problem with us playing Lewis in the middle of the park despite us signing about a hundred players. If anything sums up out recruitment, it’s that.

[B.H.F.C]

Lewis was my MotM today.

That tells its own story (which isn’t Lewis’s fault).

[LunasBoots]

Yeah why are people picking out Lewis and Paul here... the guys have given their careers to Hibs and out of the 20+ players at our club are nowhere near the worst! Give them a break!

We've signed players for those positions and we are still stuck with the old players who are at the end of there careers....kind of tells a story

[Is It On....]

FFS he played in the cup winning team, 500+ appearances, cares a lot about the club its not his fault he has to play ..

Hardly a loser. He may be past his best but its the clubs fault him and lewis are still required to play, the recruitment has been awful .. They should be smoking pipes in the dugout with their slippers on ready to be called on like the loyal hibs men they are if they are needed.

Hardly a loser indeed. Sloppy as the defence can be, our problems are much further forward. We are too slow in the build up and literally have no threat when Boyle isn't playing. I could have written that 12 months ago and yet, after signing 20 players over the last 2 windows, it's as true now as it was when Jack Ross exited the club. We had one shot on target today; this simply isn't good enough and our strategy seems to be pinned on a return to fitness of Magennis and Nisbet.

[familyman]

He's culpable too. He says he has final say on signings so either that's true and his judgement is awful or its not true in which case he's talking pish. Either way with a squad that size there is no justification for losing the number of games he has and for his team on the park looking so shapeless, aimless and gutless.

I don't absolve those above him either, they too have many questions to answer about their priorities, their fitness for purpose as club custodians and their true intentions for the club.

Bottom line, he's either not good enough as a manager or he's being undermined by those above him. Either way he is complicit if he's just keeping his head down.

times up!

[7Hero]

Paul and Lewis should be smoking cigars in their slippers warming the bench for the next generation. Instead they are being asked to play as the current crop of players are incompetent through the failure of our terrible recruitment.

500+ games for hibs both of them, the people who slag them off for helping the club don't have a clue, not their fault they get picked every week, its guys like them we need more of. Proper Hibs men..

[NAE NOOKIE]

It won't be fiery pitchforks etc tho will it? Fans will simply stop showing up and wait until here's some sign of hope again somewhere down the line. We're a pretty passive fan base by and large. Sounding off in the pub or on message boards is about as far as any anger goes. Rotten fruit pelted at the players/dugout/directors box or a march on East Mains where fans shout abuse at the players and coaches would be demonstrating real anger. Not sure anyone really cares that much because when all's said and done it's only football.

Aye? Well obviously you weren't around when Fenlon was nearing the end, plenty of folk demonstrating outside the stadium after his team lost to Hearts in the league cup and what about the 2000 folk who turned up for the Petrie out demo after relegation? Deh kid yersel that the fans of this club can't turn up to show their ire when the mood takes them.

I don't want that though, I want Ron Gordon to admit where the problems lie and address them accordingly.

[ManchesterGreen]

Is this the same serial loser that has a Scottish cup winners medal?


Winning one final does not excuse the fact he’s been part of the culture of failure that is at the club. A loser like no other.

[HibeeHibernia]

Paul and Lewis should be smoking cigars in their slippers warming the bench for the next generation. Instead they are being asked to play as the current crop of players are incompetent through the failure of our terrible recruitment.

500+ games for hibs both of them, the people who slag them off for helping the club don't have a clue, not their fault they get picked every week, its guys like them we need more of. Proper Hibs men..

if they can no longer cut it they shouldn't be at the club and that is no fault of their own it is however the fault of the board for giving these guys who are clearly past it 2 and 3 year deals. I think it would be fair to say we have needed a clear out for a good 4 years anyway but it hasn't happened. These guys have been great servants to our club but unfortunately it is time for them to move on but sadly that won't happen anytime soon because of the length of contracts they are on it really is a shambles at the holy ground at the moment like.

[Heedersnvolleys]

It’s not their fault we signed 11 players in the summer and they are still the best in their positions. That is horrendous recruitment. After 11 signings that team should unrecognisable from the team a few seasons ago. Some of them are baffling.

[MWHIBBIES]

Winning one final does not excuse the fact he’s been part of the culture of failure that is at the club. A loser like no other.

Could apply this to Pat Stanton.

[paddy1875]

Could apply this to Pat Stanton.

On paper yes


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[HibeeHibernia]

Could apply this to Pat Stanton.

how can they class guys like hanlon and stevenson serial losers when they have won cups? craig levein is my idea of a serial loser like.

[Donegal Hibby]

Winning one final does not excuse the fact he’s been part of the culture of failure that is at the club. A loser like no other.
There seems to be a few on here that's got a right spite in for both Hanlon and Stevenson , two players that have been nothing but loyal to Hibs and always give 100% to the club ,fined it quite pathetic how people have turned on them maybe they shouldn't be starting as many games but both have plenty to offer this football club yet imo. Calling them out as losers is awful both have contributed greatly and still are . I said weeks ago Porteous should have been dropped as I thought he was playing badly and got told " you can't drop our best player" between that and not signing a contract with his boyhood team and him still playing badly , no one's calling him a serial loser ? Some on here just have to have scapegoat wither it's Doidge , Hanlon , Stevenson, Merkelson , Youan even Bushiri was getting it for a while . Very very sad state of affairs when our own fans turn on two Hibs legends

[bigwheel]

There seems to be a few on here that's got a right spite in for both Hanlon and Stevenson , two players that have been nothing but loyal to Hibs and always give 100% to the club ,fined it quite pathetic how people have turned on them maybe they shouldn't be starting as many games but both have plenty to offer this football club yet imo. Calling them out as losers is awful both have contributed greatly and still are . I said weeks ago Porteous should have been dropped as I thought he was playing badly and got told " you can't drop our best player" between that and not signing a contract with his boyhood team and him still playing badly , no one's calling him a serial loser ? Some on here just have to have scapegoat wither it's Doidge , Hanlon , Stevenson, Merkelson , Youan even Bushiri was getting it for a while . Very very sad state of affairs when our own fans turn on two Hibs legends

Agree with this…can’t imagine any decent Hibs fan writing that post which you quoted ….


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[loanheadhibby]

Is this the same serial loser that has a Scottish cup winners medal?

Come on that's a cheap shot.
He has been a part of numerous low points in the last few years.
It's so sad that these two great servants are still playing.
As a previous poster stated we are far too sentimental at ER and a lot of fans would be happy if LS and PH were still at Easter Road for years to come.

[loanheadhibby]

how can they class guys like hanlon and stevenson serial losers when they have won cups? craig levein is my idea of a serial loser like.

Craig Levein like or not was a quality player and won quite a few caps for Scotland.
He would have won more but for injury.
I'm no fan of Levein but he was in a different class to LS and PH as a footballer.

[matty_f]

It’s not their fault we signed 11 players in the summer and they are still the best in their positions. That is horrendous recruitment. After 11 signings that team should unrecognisable from the team a few seasons ago. Some of them are baffling.

Stevenson doesn't start if we don't have the injuries we have just now. Not even close.

[HibeeHibernia]

Craig Levein like or not was a quality player and won quite a few caps for Scotland.
He would have won more but for injury.
I'm no fan of Levein but he was in a different class to LS and PH as a footballer.

it is hard to compare players from the past to the present as the game has changed so much but the point still stands these two guys who have given most of their lives to our football club are sitting with winners medals, you cannot be a serial loser if you are sitting with winners medals. :flag:

[HibeeHibernia]

Stevenson doesn't start if we don't have the injuries we have just now. Not even close.

he was one of our better players today aswell god knows why he is getting so much stick matty its mental like

[B.H.F.C]

Stevenson doesn't start if we don't have the injuries we have just now. Not even close.

I’d disagree with that. He always finds a way back in to the team like when he randomly started at Parkhead. Then came on ahead of Cabraja during the week.

He’s not really significantly worse than anyone missing. Injuries are just part and parcel of football. Our midfield is crap when we have injuries and crap when we don’t. The reason he’s starting is lack of quality.

[bigwheel]

Come on that's a cheap shot.
He has been a part of numerous low points in the last few years.
It's so sad that these two great servants are still playing.
As a previous poster stated we are far too sentimental at ER and a lot of fans would be happy if LS and PH were still at Easter Road for years to come.

It’s not sad in the slightest. They are both more than good enough to play in the top league for us. Stevenson won’t expect to play every week. He was in midfield for most of the game and was still probably our best player today. Hanlon would get a game for most teams in our league still.


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[Saint Hibee]

How has this descended into a thread slagging two of our most successful players, one of whom (Lewis) is literally the most successful Hibs player of all time?

I’m certainly not saying they’re beyond criticism, but they’re certainly not the root of our current problems.

[HibeeHibernia]

It’s not sad in the slightest. They are both more than good enough to play in the top league for us. Stevenson won’t expect to play every week. He was in midfield for most of the game and was still probably our best player today. Hanlon would get a game for most teams in our league still.


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the fact that stevenson who is in the last years of his career is willing to sit on our bench without complaint and still come on and perform and give everything for the cause should be commended, these guys will not be truly appreciated by the fans until they are finished, club legends the pair of them. :flag:

[Forza Fred]

This thread is already descending into discussions about individual players. The problem is much more serious than that, this is clearly a club that's lost it's way and forgotten what it's main aim is, which is to win football matches in the here and now, not in a year, not in 3 years, but now and our recruitment has to start reflecting that.

The signing of young untested kids has to stop now and a concerted effort made to identify and sign a bit of 'proven' quality, because if the folk running the club can't see how much we badly need a change of approach they never will .... we have a WC break which is followed by four fixtures, three of which are the toughest fixtures we face every season, with the punchline being a Livingston team having their best season in years as the game where we would hope to gain a victory.

Where we get that quality from and how we can afford it given the amount of money we have spaffed on mediocrity is the test Ron Gordon now faces and if he doesn't have the answers and damned quick then his long lasting honeymoon period is well and truly finished. So far he has deflected the flak by sacking managers and talking up the commercial success side of things.

After today the honeymoon period is well and truly over and sacking the manager or announcing another commercial deal isn't going cut it, he is about to be given a real wake up call as to the downside of buying a football club, lose the next 4 which seems almost inevitable at this point and it will be fiery torches and pitchforks agogo.

When RG bought this club one of the first things I posted was that I hope he is prepared to accept the fact that if it fails the buck will eventually stop with him ... That time has arrived and if he hasn't got the ability to see past his ego and bin the folk he has appointed who are driving us into the ground with a view to a change of direction then heaven help him ..... because the fans wont.
:top marks
I have no problem with Ron’s business plan of buying hopefuls and developing them so they later can be sold for profit….BUT that should be a complementary process without in any way affecting the first team squad.

Not worried about what occurs in 3 years time down the track…….well I am, but more worried about the NOW!

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

It’s not sad in the slightest. They are both more than good enough to play in the top league for us. Stevenson won’t expect to play every week. He was in midfield for most of the game and was still probably our best player today. Hanlon would get a game for most teams in our league still.


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I think it's more to do with having to still rely on a guy who made his Hibs debut 17 years ago. It's a sad indictment of how poor our signings have been that Stevenson was probably our best player today, especially given we signed 14 players in the summer. Even having a 37 year old Darren McGregor on the bench the last few games.

We only had 8 subs on the bench today, McGregor would have been the 9th had he not been away with the u19s in Portugal.

[Newhaven]

the fact that stevenson who is in the last years of his career is willing to sit on our bench without complaint and still come on and perform and give everything for the cause should be commended, these guys will not be truly appreciated by the fans until they are finished, club legends the pair of them. :flag:

Not for me. Great servants without doubt but we’re far to generous giving both any type of new contract.

I’m led to believe a couple of ex spl managers were delighted to see eithers name on the team sheet. That comment alone speaks volumes.

[HibeeHibernia]

Not for me. Great servants without doubt but we’re far to generous giving both any type of new contract.

I’m led to believe a couple of ex spl managers were delighted to see eithers name on the team sheet. That comment alone speaks volumes.

I don't believe they should have been given extended contracts either but to say they aren't club legends is mental imo mate. :flag:

[Donegal Hibby]

Come on that's a cheap shot.
He has been a part of numerous low points in the last few years.
It's so sad that these two great servants are still playing.
As a previous poster stated we are far too sentimental at ER and a lot of fans would be happy if LS and PH were still at Easter Road for years to come.
It wasn't meant as a cheap shot and I don't know how you think it was either. Hanlon was called a serial loser which means he consistently loses , not true so it's wrong though you say he's part of numerous low points ? This is true but he's also been part of numerous highs and kills the " serial loser statement again. If we hadn't had injuries I don't think Stevenson plays though for me he was one of our better players and he's still a handy player to have around . Hanlon didn't gave away the penalty and done nothing wrong in game so why both are getting called out is one big mystery. We will probably never see Hibs having players again playing over 400 or 500 games again and showing such commitment and loyalty to Hibernian football club with both having 5 winners medals between them and Lewis the only Hibs player to have won both cups.I agree with you that they are two great servants and imo still have much to offer yet . What is sad is Hibs fans having cheap shots at two Hibs legends.

[ThisIsTheYear]

Is this the same serial loser that has a Scottish cup winners medal?

These boys are club legends -,couldn’t possibly get rid

[Shrekko]

Paul Hanlon 32 just , players go on a lot longer than that and to call him a serial loser is the most ridiculous statement ever!

Imagine if people started referring to members of Turnbulls Tornadoes as ‘serial losers’ because they only ever managed 1 League Cup win during Eddie Turnbull’s full reign.

Hanlon has been involved in many great moments at Hibs - more than most.

[JohnM1875]

Imagine if people started referring to members of Turnbulls Tornadoes as ‘serial losers’ because they only ever managed 1 League Cup win during Eddie Turnbull’s full reign.

Hanlon has been involved in many great moments at Hibs - more than most.

Not sure how that means he should be starting for us now though?

[Shrekko]

Not sure how that means he should be starting for us now though?

I never said it did - did I?

Totally separate argument. Just think it’s dire seeing fans demean their own player like that - one who’s done well for the club.

[JohnM1875]

I never said it did - did I?

Totally separate argument. Just think it’s dire seeing fans demean their own player like that - one who’s done well for the club.

Don't disagree with that, I hate seeing it from the stands as well, folk aiming what seems at times really personal abuse at a player who's clearly giving their best for the club.

Really do think we need to be aiming for better next season, can't see it happening in January.

[Donegal Hibby]

Serial losers? Nah
https://images.app.goo.gl/VHLSEffKRbVQSRy49

[JohnM1875]

Serial losers? Nah
https://images.app.goo.gl/VHLSEffKRbVQSRy49

Phenomenal picture that! It was also six years ago and two out of the three started today.

[Donegal Hibby]

Phenomenal picture that! It was also six years ago and two out of the three started today.
Legends everyone of them mate :gwa:

[JohnM1875]

Legends everyone of them mate :gwa:

Aw absolutely! And I genuinely love every single one of them, especially Lewie, but they shouldn't be starting for us in 2022 going into 2023.

[Donegal Hibby]

Aw absolutely! And I genuinely love every single one of them, especially Lewie, but they shouldn't be starting for us in 2022 going into 2023.
Didn't actually think any of the two were bad today and would even go as far as to say Lewis was one of our better players though I do see were your coming from on this too . Suppose injuries had a saying on it a bit with 7 I think out .Hanlon's been the least of our worries in defence as well imo, Porteous has been imo playing badly for weeks and has costs us goals , I feel his contract situation is effecting him and the sooner it's sorted out one way or the other the better it will be for us in the long run

[JohnM1875]

Didn't actually think any of the two were bad today and would even go as far as to say Lewis was one of our better players though I do see were your coming from on this too . Suppose injuries had a saying on it a bit with 7 I think out .Hanlon's been the least of our worries in defence as well imo, Porteous has been imo playing badly for weeks and has costs us goals , I feel his contract situation is effecting him and the sooner it's sorted out one way or the other the better it will be for us in the long run

Again I totally agree, don't think either were bad today at all and I don't think either are bad players! Hanlon is only 32. I'm just in a wee huff after the past few games mate.

[bigwheel]

Not for me. Great servants without doubt but we’re far to generous giving both any type of new contract.

I’m led to believe a couple of ex spl managers were delighted to see eithers name on the team sheet. That comment alone speaks volumes.

Aye. Maybe it’s why they are “ex” managers…


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[MWHIBBIES]

Not for me. Great servants without doubt but we’re far to generous giving both any type of new contract.

I’m led to believe a couple of ex spl managers were delighted to see eithers name on the team sheet. That comment alone speaks volumes.

Stop calling them servants. If Lewis Stevenson isn't a Hibernian legend, no one is.

Yes, that piece of utter pish you've just posted speaks volumes indeed.

[greenpaper55]

These boys are club legends -,couldn’t possibly get rid
The “legend” never got near the winger who crossed for the second last Tuesday, never tried to get close then stuck out a leg in a forlorn hope of stopping the cross-goal.This has been going on for years now and is beyond a joke !

[He's here!]

The fact they've spent their whole careers at Hibs tends to count against Paul and Lewis when folk are looking for scapegoats, in the sense that they're seen as 'not good enough' to have got a move anywhere else. The truth is they're every bit as good as the majority of home-grown Scottish Premiership players and the fact a very long list of managers have seen fit to select them continuously is testament to that. Lewis in particular is a much underrated player IMO.

Neither, however, come across as strong leaders and it's when the team is struggling that I feel they sometimes lack the extra something their experience should give them to help dig us out of a hole.

[sean]

[QUOTE=He's here!;7161189]The fact they've spent their whole careers at Hibs tends to count against Paul and Lewis when folk are looking for scapegoats, in the sense that they're seen as 'not good enough' to have got a move anywhere else. The truth is they're every bit as good as the majority of home-grown Scottish Premiership players and the fact a very long list of managers have seen fit to select them continuously is testament to that. Lewis in particular is a much underrated player IMO.

100% agree with that first bit. Secondly I bet these boys lead by example every day in training and with the way they conduct themselves around the club. From the games I have been to this season it’s not been Paul or lewy who have played poorly.

Neither, however, come across as strong leaders and it's when the team is struggling that I feel they sometimes lack the extra something their experience should give them to help dig

[Hibernia&Alba]

This thread is already descending into discussions about individual players. The problem is much more serious than that, this is clearly a club that's lost it's way and forgotten what it's main aim is, which is to win football matches in the here and now, not in a year, not in 3 years, but now and our recruitment has to start reflecting that.

The signing of young untested kids has to stop now and a concerted effort made to identify and sign a bit of 'proven' quality, because if the folk running the club can't see how much we badly need a change of approach they never will .... we have a WC break which is followed by four fixtures, three of which are the toughest fixtures we face every season, with the punchline being a Livingston team having their best season in years as the game where we would hope to gain a victory.

Where we get that quality from and how we can afford it given the amount of money we have spaffed on mediocrity is the test Ron Gordon now faces and if he doesn't have the answers and damned quick then his long lasting honeymoon period is well and truly finished. So far he has deflected the flak by sacking managers and talking up the commercial success side of things.

After today the honeymoon period is well and truly over and sacking the manager or announcing another commercial deal isn't going cut it, he is about to be given a real wake up call as to the downside of buying a football club, lose the next 4 which seems almost inevitable at this point and it will be fiery torches and pitchforks agogo.

When RG bought this club one of the first things I posted was that I hope he is prepared to accept the fact that if it fails the buck will eventually stop with him ... That time has arrived and if he hasn't got the ability to see past his ego and bin the folk he has appointed who are driving us into the ground with a view to a change of direction then heaven help him ..... because the fans wont.

Good post, NN. It's tough times, and the owner should be using the World Cup break to have a serious think. RG needs to step up to the plate now and take responsibility. We are back to the mess we were in when Maloney was sacked just a few months ago, which is unacceptable. The club can't expect the fans to continue tolerating quick cycles of failure and sackings, in the hope the next guy can fix it.

[ManchesterGreen]

The fact they've spent their whole careers at Hibs tends to count against Paul and Lewis when folk are looking for scapegoats, in the sense that they're seen as 'not good enough' to have got a move anywhere else. The truth is they're every bit as good as the majority of home-grown Scottish Premiership players and the fact a very long list of managers have seen fit to select them continuously is testament to that. Lewis in particular is a much underrated player IMO.

Neither, however, come across as strong leaders and it's when the team is struggling that I feel they sometimes lack the extra something their experience should give them to help dig us out of a hole.

Im sorry but if they were good enough then they would’ve gotten a move to a bigger and better club. Good players do not stick around at clubs like Hibs for over 10 years. The old firm haven’t even seen either of them as a threat and they’ve not even looked to sign them.

The majority of these managers have been garbage and every manager who’s ever selected these two with the exception of Tony Mowbray has never been appointed by a better club.

[MWHIBBIES]

Im sorry but if they were good enough then they would’ve gotten a move to a bigger and better club. Good players do not stick around at clubs like Hibs for over 10 years. The old firm haven’t even seen either of them as a threat and they’ve not even looked to sign them.

The majority of these managers have been garbage and every manager who’s ever selected these two with the exception of Tony Mowbray has never been appointed by a better club.
Neil Lennon, Paul Heckingbottom, Lee Johnson and Jack Ross have all managed bigger clubs than Hibs.

If you think the level is only rubbish or good enough to move up, you're wrong. Both have been very good players for Hibs for years.

[Smartie]

Neil Lennon, Paul Heckingbottom, Lee Johnson and Jack Ross have all managed bigger clubs than Hibs.

If you think the level is only rubbish or good enough to move up, you're wrong. Both have been very good players for Hibs for years.

Agreed.

Just look at the trouble we're having "recruiting" players who make anything like the same contribution as those two.

They are where they are on merit and always have been.

[ManchesterGreen]

Neil Lennon, Paul Heckingbottom, Lee Johnson and Jack Ross have all managed bigger clubs than Hibs.

If you think the level is only rubbish or good enough to move up, you're wrong. Both have been very good players for Hibs for years.

I’m not talking about when they managed other clubs , I’m talking about when they were at Hibs. Anything else is irrelevant. The names you mentioned all managed bigger clubs before Hibs. They were sacked by Hibs as I stated.

If you think they’ve been good players then you’re clearly part of the problem here. Not consistently good by any stretch of the imagination. Most of the time they’ve been average but I will say the Stevenson is a far better player than Hanlon

[Donegal Hibby]

Im sorry but if they were good enough then they would’ve gotten a move to a bigger and better club. Good players do not stick around at clubs like Hibs for over 10 years. The old firm haven’t even seen either of them as a threat and they’ve not even looked to sign them.

The majority of these managers have been garbage and every manager who’s ever selected these two with the exception of Tony Mowbray has never been appointed by a better club.
Good players don't stick around at clubs like Hibs for 10 years you say ?
Gordan Smith
Arthur Duncan
Pat Stanton
Willie Ormond
Eddie Turnbull

[ManchesterGreen]

Good players don't stick around at clubs like Hibs for 10 years you say ?
Gordan Smith
Arthur Duncan
Pat Stanton
Willie Ormond
Eddie Turnbull


Im talking about this century mate.

[Donegal Hibby]

Im talking about this century mate.
I'm talking about our clubs history mate and the fact that good players have in the past have spent over 10 years at our football club like Paul and Lewis . Though you have stated that if they have spent 10 years at Hibs they aren't good enough.

[Trinity Hibee]

Good players don't stick around at clubs like Hibs for 10 years you say ?
Gordan Smith
Arthur Duncan
Pat Stanton
Willie Ormond
Eddie Turnbull

Quite clearly football has changed in the last 20-30 years. Bringing up players from 70 years ago doesn’t really prove your point.

[ManchesterGreen]

I'm talking about our clubs history mate and the fact that good players have in the past have spent over 10 years at our football club like Paul and Lewis . Though you have stated that if they have spent 10 years at Hibs they aren't good enough.

Im talking about modern day football and as I said football this century. Should’ve made that clear from the get go I guess.

[Donegal Hibby]

Quite clearly football has changed in the last 20-30 years. Bringing up players from 70 years ago doesn’t really prove your point.
The time scale isnt the issue here and it proves my point absolutely as other poster has implied that players who spent 10 years at Hibs aren't good enough cause no else wants them .

[wookie70]

Im talking about modern day football and as I said football this century. Should’ve made that clear from the get go I guess. And in modern day football we have signed 10s of centre halves and left sided defensive players and Paul and Lewis have seen them all off as they are better than those that have came in. Lewis is arguably the best left back, left wing back. Left midfielder and holding midfielder at the club

[the_ginger_hibee]

They've both spent more years in the championship than trophies won. They will be remembered as important Hibs players for their 2 out of 7 successful final appearances & longevity, but those things don't have any say on their suitability for the team in 2022/23.

They are not good enough for us if we have any aspirations of being successful. Lots of examples in recent weeks/months. Not the only ones, sure. But factors in our awful run.

I hope, if LJ goes, they don't get the opportunity to see off another sacked manager. Accept completely they themselves aren't to blame, recruitment and our need for sentimentality is, but as some have said, it says it all that these 2 are still first 11 players.

[Donegal Hibby]

Im talking about modern day football and as I said football this century. Should’ve made that clear from the get go I guess.
You have also been talking that if a player spends 10 years at our club they aren't good enough which I think I've proved is a incorrect statement on your behalf and I think you probably realise this as your trying to blank out our past history to suit yourself too.

[sean]

They've both spent more years in the championship than trophies won. They will be remembered as important Hibs players for their 2 out of 7 successful final appearances & longevity, but those things don't have any say on their suitability for the team in 2022/23.

They are not good enough for us if we have any aspirations of being successful. Lots of examples in recent weeks/months. Not the only ones, sure. But factors in our awful run.

I hope, if LJ goes, they don't get the opportunity to see off another sacked manager. Accept completely they themselves aren't to blame, recruitment and our need for sentimentality is, but as some have said, it says it all that these 2 are still first 11 players.

I don’t see where Paul and lewy have been the major issues?

Major issues surely have been:

1. Formation change
2. Forwards who can’t score
3. Nothing in the middle of park
4. Porto poor run of form

[Tambo]

Hanlon was fine yesterday and it's clear that the issue at the back is someone else who I my opinion is hampering the team.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m not talking about when they managed other clubs , I’m talking about when they were at Hibs. Anything else is irrelevant. The names you mentioned all managed bigger clubs before Hibs. They were sacked by Hibs as I stated.

If you think they’ve been good players then you’re clearly part of the problem here. Not consistently good by any stretch of the imagination. Most of the time they’ve been average but I will say the Stevenson is a far better player than Hanlon

Lennon and hecky both went on to manage bigger clubs. Hecky is right now.

Hanlon and Stevenson were consistently good players for years. From 2014 until 2019 both were very good.

[SickBoy32]

Until we stop having the likes of Hanlon starting games we'll never progress. Serial loser. Doesn't matter who the manager is.

****ing dreadful comment that, in no way culpable for where the club lies

RG, BK, IG and their host of ***** players and ***** exec decisions have led us here

[Newhaven]

Stop calling them servants. If Lewis Stevenson isn't a Hibernian legend, no one is.

Yes, that piece of utter pish you've just posted speaks volumes indeed.

Call them whatever mate. Fact is legend, great servant, etc. both offer nothing new to the table. Expect a dejected Paul to be wheeled out saying the team must do better :rolleyes:

Utter pish is a team that’s playing far below the sum of their parts and fans paying top dollar for it. Does speak volumes doesnt it..

[MWHIBBIES]

Call them whatever mate. Fact is legend, great servant, etc. both offer nothing new to the table. Expect a dejected Paul to be wheeled out saying the team must do better :rolleyes:

Utter pish is a team that’s playing far below the sum of their parts and fans paying top dollar for it. Does speak volumes doesnt it..

Nothing new, no. They certainly are very able backups.

Utter pish is what you're posting about Lewis and Paul.

[loanheadhibby]

And in modern day football we have signed 10s of centre halves and left sided defensive players and Paul and Lewis have seen them all off as they are better than those that have came in. Lewis is arguably the best left back, left wing back. Left midfielder and holding midfielder at the club

Lewis is rightly seen as a Hibernian great, but what an indictment on our recruitment team. We’ve signed so many players over the last 5 years and yet Lewis is still the best we have.

God bless him but Deary me.

[loanheadhibby]

****ing dreadful comment that, in no way culpable for where the club lies

RG, BK, IG and their host of ***** players and ***** exec decisions have led us here

I said to a mate last night, whatever anyone thinks of Lewis & Paul, they play every time they are asked, they are available almost constantly. When you compare that to some of the other charlatans that have been in our club recently.

Boyle away yesterday to Doha for some training. Will be interested to see if he’s fit enough to play in World Cup.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Lewis is rightly seen as a Hibernian great, but what an indictment on our recruitment team. We’ve signed so many players over the last 5 years and yet Lewis is still the best we have.

God bless him but Deary me.

That unfortunately is my take on it as well. Lewis himself is the first to admit that he is not God's gift to the beautiful game, or even the art of wingback play. It is an indictment of the recruitment staff at of the club that in over a decade he has not had a serious challenger to his place in the team ... hard to believe when you look at what a difference it made to us when we had David Murphy at LWB or Steven Whittaker at RWB

Now we have the frankly unbelievable sight of the same Lewis Stevenson nailing down a spot in midfield in a game we simply had to win and worse than that by all accounts being the most effective player in it yesterday. A situation like that should have alarm bells ringing like a bloody international home security trade fair all over Easter Road and yet this is where we are now at .... what the hell does it say about JDH or Euan Henderson when a guy who hasn't played regularly in midfield for about 14 years still gets the nod in front of them?

None of this is a pop at Lewis, in fact it's a testament to the 100% effort and commitment he has given to the team for every second he has spent on the park for this club, the guy absolutely deserves to be called a legend.

[JohnM1875]

That unfortunately is my take on it as well. Lewis himself is the first to admit that he is not God's gift to the beautiful game, or even the art of wingback play. It is an indictment of the recruitment staff at of the club that in over a decade he has not had a serious challenger to his place in the team ... hard to believe when you look at what a difference it made to us when we had David Murphy at LWB or Steven Whittaker at RWB

Now we have the frankly unbelievable sight of the same Lewis Stevenson nailing down a spot in midfield in a game we simply had to win and worse than that by all accounts being the most effective player in it yesterday. A situation like that should have alarm bells ringing like a bloody international home security trade fair all over Easter Road and yet this is where we are now at .... what the hell does it say about JDH or Euan Henderson when a guy who hasn't played regularly in midfield for about 14 years still gets the nod in front of them?

None of this is a pop at Lewis, in fact it's a testament to the 100% effort and commitment he has given to the team for every second he has spent on the park for this club, the guy absolutely deserves to be called a legend.

Lewie wasn't playing central mid yesterday, he was part of the back three.

I think his ability is so underappreciated as well

[Billy Whizz]

Lewie wasn't playing central mid yesterday, he was part of the back three.

I think his ability is so underappreciated as well

Lee started on the left of the midfield, then moved to left back when Čabraja was taken off

[JohnM1875]

Lee started on the left of the midfield, then moved to left back when Čabraja was taken off

I wasn't there and was watching on TV so I'm sure you're right, that would mean the team lined up 442 then?

[Billy Whizz]

I wasn't there and was watching on TV so I'm sure you're right, that would mean the team lined up 442 then?

Sorry meant Lewis
Lewis on left, Kenneh and Newell, and Campbell on the right, completely played out of position

[JohnM1875]

Sorry meant Lewis
Lewis on left, Kenneh and Newell, and Campbell on the right, completely played out of position

Knew exactly who you meant Billy, all good.

If that's the case then the line up was even more bizarre than I initially thought it was, thought it was 352 with Lewie LCB.

[ManchesterGreen]

Lennon and hecky both went on to manage bigger clubs. Hecky is right now.

Hanlon and Stevenson were consistently good players for years. From 2014 until 2019 both were very good.

Yeh they did but both after they left Hibs. Neither of them were poached by other clubs.

Yeh 2014 to 2019. We’re not talking about that time. We need them to be good now. Cannot simply keep picking players because they played well in the past.

[bigwheel]

Yeh they did but both after they left Hibs. Neither of them were poached by other clubs.

Yeh 2014 to 2019. We’re not talking about that time. We need them to be good now. Cannot simply keep picking players because they played well in the past.

This Hanlon and Stevenson attack which you and a few others seem to be on this weekend is a really strange agenda. They were nowhere near our worst performers yesterday. Stevenson, even out of position, was one of our best. They are equally nowhere near where our real issues stem from. What has made this the topic of your posts? Just following a common trope on here? Or another reason ?


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[One Day Soon]

This attacking of Stevenson in particular is as daft as it is malign. Any time he's come on he has a done a job and most teams would be delighted to have him as a back up. Anyone calling players like him and Hanlon losers are either ignorant or classless.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yeh they did but both after they left Hibs. Neither of them were poached by other clubs.

Yeh 2014 to 2019. We’re not talking about that time. We need them to be good now. Cannot simply keep picking players because they played well in the past.

Whom else do we pick?

[BoomtownHibees]

I wasn't there and was watching on TV so I'm sure you're right, that would mean the team lined up 442 then?

Was a 451 with Stevenson in the middle of the park.

Hibs tweeted “We've started the game in a fluid 4-5-1 formation, with Melkersen and Campbell wide and Stevenson in midfield”

[JohnM1875]

Was a 451 with Stevenson in the middle of the park.

Hibs tweeted “We've started the game in a fluid 4-5-1 formation, with Melkersen and Campbell wide and Stevenson in midfield”

Crazy, didn’t think it looked that that at all watching on Hibs TV and they even put it up as a 352 with Lewie LCB

[LaMotta]

Winning one final does not excuse the fact he’s been part of the culture of failure that is at the club. A loser like no other.

You really don't understand much about Hibs history if you think Hanlon is a "loser like no other". Some absolutely brutal posts on this thread, topped by the one above.

[mcohibs]

Nearly had to pull over the car listening to our manager’s post match interview on the way back from Rugby Park yesterday. Honestly staggering. Few snippets…

‘I think we did enough to win the game.’
‘We put everything on the line.’
‘Supporters booed the result, not the performance.’
‘We peppered the goal in the second half.’ (one shot on target Lee)

If he actually believes that then that really is quite frightening. The players need a rocket up the arse but if that’s the level of delusion he’s coming out with in interviews I dread to think what’s being said (or not said) in the dressing room.

Everything is just recycled emotionless pish. ‘We need a result next week’, ‘We’ve got to turn things around’ blah blah. Show a bit of passion, frustration, anger even at how our results are going. Tell the supporters it’s not good enough and how we’re going to turn it around. Say it how it is that we’ve passed up a great opportunity to be clear in third going into this break.

[WestCoastHibby]

Nearly had to pull over the car listening to our manager’s post match interview on the way back from Rugby Park yesterday. Honestly staggering. Few snippets…

‘I think we did enough to win the game.’
‘We put everything on the line.’
‘Supporters booed the result, not the performance.’
‘We peppered the goal in the second half.’ (one shot on target Lee)

If he actually believes that then that really is quite frightening. The players need a rocket up the arse but if that’s the level of delusion he’s coming out with in interviews I dread to think what’s being said (or not said) in the dressing room.

Everything is just recycled emotionless pish. ‘We need a result next week’, ‘We’ve got to turn things around’ blah blah. Show a bit of passion, frustration, anger even at how our results are going. Tell the supporters it’s not good enough and how we’re going to turn it around. Say it how it is that we’ve passed up a great opportunity to be clear in third going into this break.

Spot on squire. Talk is cheap and at the moment we are bargain basement out of date five for a pound guff

[greenpaper55]

This attacking of Stevenson in particular is as daft as it is malign. Any time he's come on he has a done a job and most teams would be delighted to have him as a back up. Anyone calling players like him and Hanlon losers are either ignorant or classless.
Aye but has he done a good job ? Hanlon and Stevenson have been at ER forever and even in their prime not one other team ever came in to buy them they were so good ! Mediocre at the best for me , have a look at the goals we lost last Tuesday and see who is culpable if you can stand it ?

[bigwheel]

Aye but has he done a good job ? Hanlon and Stevenson have been at ER forever and even in their prime not one other team ever came in to buy them they were so good ! Mediocre at the best for me , have a look at the goals we lost last Tuesday and see who is culpable if you can stand it ?

If you’re going to slate players , why don’t you check the true history . Both players have had opportunities to move on ..to decent clubs . Do you know Rangers were interested in Stevenson when we were both in the championship ? Motherwell wanted to sign him too . Do you know Hanlon could have moved to Aberdeen if he chose too . Players are now having their loyalty to Hibs thrown at them as a reason they are not good …remarkable view of history and a great example of the negative posts you get on this site.

[madabouthibs]

Paul and Lewis are club legends, that’s never ever in doubt. What is, is their ability at this level now.

We’re an elite football club, not a charity or pension top up - football has no place for sentiment, it’s unforgiving.

They’ll be back at some point in their coaching careers, but they’ve both had their time.
Serial loser aye? Both Hanlon and Stevenson were part of the 3rd best defence in the league last season. Our problem is a lack of goals, and pussies like Newell and Henderson in midfield.

[Newhaven]

Nothing new, no. They certainly are very able backups.

Utter pish is what you're posting about Lewis and Paul.

Utter pish, as you elegantly put it, sums up there contribution recently. Never mind though they played well 6 years ago

[ManchesterGreen]

Whom else do we pick?

That is the job of the recruiting side of the club who for the last good while have been terrible at their jobs.

[ManchesterGreen]

Serial loser aye? Both Hanlon and Stevenson were part of the 3rd best defence in the league last season. Our problem is a lack of goals, and pussies like Newell and Henderson in midfield.

In all fairness, what do you win for having the third best defence over the course of a season?

[tamig]

Utter pish, as you elegantly put it, sums up there contribution recently. Never mind though they played well 6 years ago

Your contribution to this thread is an embarrassment. Martin Boyle has been here since 2016. Is he getting tarred with your same brush? The pattern seems to be anybody associated with multiple failures since 2016 is pish. In your book.

[Brightside]

Utter pish, as you elegantly put it, sums up there contribution recently. Never mind though they played well 6 years ago

What a load of nonsense. This forum has gone down hill very quickly.

[Alfred E Newman]

That unfortunately is my take on it as well. Lewis himself is the first to admit that he is not God's gift to the beautiful game, or even the art of wingback play. It is an indictment of the recruitment staff at of the club that in over a decade he has not had a serious challenger to his place in the team ... hard to believe when you look at what a difference it made to us when we had David Murphy at LWB or Steven Whittaker at RWB

Now we have the frankly unbelievable sight of the same Lewis Stevenson nailing down a spot in midfield in a game we simply had to win and worse than that by all accounts being the most effective player in it yesterday. A situation like that should have alarm bells ringing like a bloody international home security trade fair all over Easter Road and yet this is where we are now at .... what the hell does it say about JDH or Euan Henderson when a guy who hasn't played regularly in midfield for about 14 years still gets the nod in front of them?

None of this is a pop at Lewis, in fact it's a testament to the 100% effort and commitment he has given to the team for every second he has spent on the park for this club, the guy absolutely deserves to be called a legend.
Well said.

[Donegal Hibby]

Utter pish, as you elegantly put it, sums up there contribution recently. Never mind though they played well 6 years ago
That was Lewis Stevenson first start for us in four games and he had a good game as he normally does and he always gives 100% every time he pulls on the green shirt as does Hanlon and he wasn't bad or done anything wrong either so it's utter nonsense your spouting.Cant believe what's happening on this thread ,it's like something you'd get on sick back with a few poster's slagging of two loyal and commited Hibs players for what reason is totally beyond me!

[Tambo]

You can't be a Hibs supporter if you turn your back on the team.

A no doubt overreaction from me after the County game where I said I wouldn't spend another penny this season.

Holidays just been approved for January so just booked 4 nights and will be up for the Dundee United game.

No I don't want a medal or a blue peter badge 😁