Ron Gordon

[chookyembra]

Thought I'd resurrect this thread on our esteemed owner. He's gone a bit quiet of late.

Are there still some Hibees out there backing our owner to get a successful team on the park. Must be a few less now since the last note was posted on this thread.

His latest managerial appointment is now on a run of 8 losses in 10. His previous appointment proved as clueless as the current one.

Where do we go from here. I don't think we have anywhere enough organisation, fight and determination in the squad that Ron's son has recruited, to get a win at Tiny on Monday and win in the Scottish Cup game in January.

I've seen enough from Ron, his son and Kensall to know that we need to get rid of them all. I understand this is easier said than done but Ron should not be given the chance to sack another manager and appoint another stooge who will be under the thumb of his son when it comes to recruiting players.

We will stumble to the end of the season losing a lot more than we win. Hopefully not to end up in the bottom 2.

It's only going to get better when these guys are gone.

100% this

[Heisenberg]

Is he a sommelier? RG has been ruthless with two managers. Is he so blindly loyal to his son that he is willing to blow his investment and relationship with the fans?


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No, I don’t think he is. Plenty rumours recently that Ian has been removed from his recruitment role.

[CL0762]

Is he a sommelier? RG has been ruthless with two managers. Is he so blindly loyal to his son that he is willing to blow his investment and relationship with the fans?


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It certainly seems that way given his stoic defence publicly of his son several times to the fans faces and the media.

He’s a ****ing shyster who is somehow absolutely deluded to think he’ll make a profit from selling us.

He’s going to run us into the ****ing ground and walk away without a second thought.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is he a sommelier? RG has been ruthless with two managers. Is he so blindly loyal to his son that he is willing to blow his investment and relationship with the fans?


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He worked in the wine industry before inexplicably being parachuted into being head of recruitment at Hibs.

[Hibs4185]

It certainly seems that way given his stoic defence publicly of his son several times to the fans faces and the media.

He’s a ****ing shyster who is somehow absolutely deluded to think he’ll make a profit from selling us.

He’s going to run us into the ****ing ground and walk away without a second thought.

Shyster? I don’t think anyone could justify this label.

As to his intentions regarding selling us for a profit? God know his intention, hence why HSL should take donations so if ever the need arrived, it would be in a position to act.

His actions so far have only benefited the club.

He can improve on the football side and sounds like his is


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[CL0762]

Shyster? I don’t think anyone could justify this label.

As to his intentions regarding selling us for a profit? God know his intention, hence why HSL should take donations so if ever the need arrived, it would be in a position to act.

His actions so far have only benefited the club.

He can improve on the football side and sounds like his is


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He done a podcast with Graham Spiers where he outlined his intention to sell us for a profit.

What part of his actions have benefitted the club?

He didn’t back the manager who led us to 3rd place for the first time in 15 years, sacked him a week before a cup final.

Replaced him with a rookie & gave him 18 year olds and sacked him 4 months later.

Replaced an experienced DoF with his son who spends his days sitting watching wyscout picking out players he likes.

Let go hard working people who love the club because he wanted to ‘professionalise’ the club.

Aw but at least we’ve got big screens and cracking hospitality options.

[IberianHibernian]

Thought I'd resurrect this thread on our esteemed owner. He's gone a bit quiet of late.

Are there still some Hibees out there backing our owner to get a successful team on the park. Must be a few less now since the last note was posted on this thread.

His latest managerial appointment is now on a run of 8 losses in 10. His previous appointment proved as clueless as the current one.

Where do we go from here. I don't think we have anywhere enough organisation, fight and determination in the squad that Ron's son has recruited, to get a win at Tiny on Monday and win in the Scottish Cup game in January.

I've seen enough from Ron, his son and Kensall to know that we need to get rid of them all. I understand this is easier said than done but Ron should not be given the chance to sack another manager and appoint another stooge who will be under the thumb of his son when it comes to recruiting players.

We will stumble to the end of the season losing a lot more than we win. Hopefully not to end up in the bottom 2.

It's only going to get better when these guys are gone.You seem to be basing your judgment on future of club on 2 results in next month , the 2 Derbies . Hopefully we`ll get positive results in both matches and the other matches we play in January and beyond but if we don`t , I`ll be pointing the finger more at the players ( if they underperform ) and manager first . Forming a team that is competitive ( 3rd to 5th in our league plus regular cup semis and finals for example ) for more than 2 or 3 years seems to be very difficult for all non OF teams including Hearts despite their massive income from donor and fans donations . We`ve had a few owners in our history and probably been relegated with most of them , hopefully Ron will not be another .

[Forza Fred]

Some pretty obvious infiltrators on this thread.

[mcfly]

Clubs an utter shambles on the pitch.

Recruitment a joke. Still 7 or 8
Of jack Ross signings get a game.

slowly losing interest in hibs and the team is just soft and easily bullied.

Hanlon and cadden. Seriously need dropped.

Awful stuff - just no fight at all

[WhileTheChief..]

Absolutely ruining this club, pure and simple - taking everyone for a ride, knows nothing about football, hires idiots, gets rid of good people, hides until he has to make an appearance- usually when it’s adverse circumstances 👍 even then, he rolls out the same old cliched nonsense !

Can’t stand him 👍

:top marksWe are truly and utterly screwed until RG decides to sell up and move on.

Even then, the worry is who he sells to. There's nothing positive about OUR club at all just now.

Feel the same as you, can't stand any of the people running our club. Completely out of their depth with zero understanding of Hibs or Scottish Football.

Yet he's got the cheek to come in and tell everyone else in the game where they're all going wrong!!

[big gogs]

No, I don’t think he is. Plenty rumours recently that Ian has been removed from his recruitment role.
Could it be Ron has discovered,how much of his millions ,his son has wasted,then told baby Gordon that’s enough.Ron Gordon will have to finance spending on buying out contracts ,agreeing to new ones,then making sure ,Ian is know where near Easter road,at the club handover,sir Tom farmer told him ,it was going to cost a few bob.a few bob might be a wee bit light.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm going to buck the trend here and say i want him to succeed like everyone else does, but for that to happen we need a complete change of strategy by him.

He obviously needs to get someone in at recruitment to spot good talented players who we can afford, players much much better than the stocking fillers his team have wasted hundreds of thousands on previously.

I've said it before, big Ron is not daft, and a succesfull 1st team will raise the profile, raise the crowds and raise the value of the club.

I'm still living in hope he see's this and eats a little humble pie, he's not daft, and if he does not want to lose a lot of money then he has to do so, because off the park he's doing well, but that wont last long if we carry on watching this sheite.

[ScottB]

Ultimately, it’s not at all uncommon for rich, successful folk to let that go to their head and assume that they can take their success in whatever field they made their cash in and apply it to anything else that catches their fancy.

Add to that a bit of ‘coming to our little back water league to shake things up’ attitude and that about covers Ron.

How he deals with the resultant failure is now key. Does he accept that just maybe he doesn’t know much about football or how to run the sporting side of the business, eat some humble pie and get in some people who do, or does he double down, insist that he’s right and push on. He’s definitely not daft, and he seems to have shaken up the commercial side of the club quite well, but it’s how he handles the shot to his ego that he’s got something wrong that will define the club’s future.

[Greenio]

Ultimately, it’s not at all uncommon for rich, successful folk to let that go to their head and assume that they can take their success in whatever field they made their cash in and apply it to anything else that catches their fancy.

Add to that a bit of ‘coming to our little back water league to shake things up’ attitude and that about covers Ron.

How he deals with the resultant failure is now key. Does he accept that just maybe he doesn’t know much about football or how to run the sporting side of the business, eat some humble pie and get in some people who do, or does he double down, insist that he’s right and push on. He’s definitely not daft, and he seems to have shaken up the commercial side of the club quite well, but it’s how he handles the shot to his ego that he’s got something wrong that will define the club’s future.

Where do you get the 'backwater club' claim from?

Not once got that attitude from him

[McD]

Thought I'd resurrect this thread on our esteemed owner. He's gone a bit quiet of late.

Are there still some Hibees out there backing our owner to get a successful team on the park. Must be a few less now since the last note was posted on this thread.

His latest managerial appointment is now on a run of 8 losses in 10. His previous appointment proved as clueless as the current one.

Where do we go from here. I don't think we have anywhere enough organisation, fight and determination in the squad that Ron's son has recruited, to get a win at Tiny on Monday and win in the Scottish Cup game in January.

I've seen enough from Ron, his son and Kensall to know that we need to get rid of them all. I understand this is easier said than done but Ron should not be given the chance to sack another manager and appoint another stooge who will be under the thumb of his son when it comes to recruiting players.

We will stumble to the end of the season losing a lot more than we win. Hopefully not to end up in the bottom 2.

It's only going to get better when these guys are gone.


how do you suggest the owner of the club be prevented from making such a change?

[blackpoolhibs]

Ultimately, it’s not at all uncommon for rich, successful folk to let that go to their head and assume that they can take their success in whatever field they made their cash in and apply it to anything else that catches their fancy.

Add to that a bit of ‘coming to our little back water league to shake things up’ attitude and that about covers Ron.

How he deals with the resultant failure is now key. Does he accept that just maybe he doesn’t know much about football or how to run the sporting side of the business, eat some humble pie and get in some people who do, or does he double down, insist that he’s right and push on. He’s definitely not daft, and he seems to have shaken up the commercial side of the club quite well, but it’s how he handles the shot to his ego that he’s got something wrong that will define the club’s future.
:agree:

[NAE NOOKIE]

Ultimately, it’s not at all uncommon for rich, successful folk to let that go to their head and assume that they can take their success in whatever field they made their cash in and apply it to anything else that catches their fancy.

Add to that a bit of ‘coming to our little back water league to shake things up’ attitude and that about covers Ron.

How he deals with the resultant failure is now key. Does he accept that just maybe he doesn’t know much about football or how to run the sporting side of the business, eat some humble pie and get in some people who do, or does he double down, insist that he’s right and push on. He’s definitely not daft, and he seems to have shaken up the commercial side of the club quite well, but it’s how he handles the shot to his ego that he’s got something wrong that will define the club’s future.

With every passing month it's becoming clear that Ron Gordon is very good at the off field stuff, even the much mocked big screens arrived just in time for the introduction of VAR and most people seem impressed with the new hospitality offerings.

Where it's all falling apart is on the field, his appointments have failed miserably to improve us, be that his managers, his son or Ben Kensell .... As for Kensell, after working at Arsenal his next gig was Norwich, exactly what dent did he make there that made him ideal for Hibs? In fact there does seem to be some correlation in that they were another team who failed because they didn't recruit well enough to be competitive in the league they were in.

After last night the current manager can't be absolved of blame for what's happening on the pitch. But that aside there's clearly a theme developing and it gets harder and harder to avoid the feeling that no manager is going to be able to make a silk purse out of this sows ear .... how many failed managers will it take before Ron Gordon faces up to the fact that our recruitment policy simply isn't working.

[ScottB]

Where do you get the 'backwater club' claim from?

Not once got that attitude from him

Not the club specifically, but my impression from the way he talked about Scottish football, it’s commercial and marketing state, suggested he didn’t think a lot of it.

He’s not necessarily wrong in that mind, but it further adds to my view that he thought he’d turn up with all his experience, knowledge etc and very quickly be shaking things up and showing everyone else how it was done.

[bingo70]

I'm going to buck the trend here and say i want him to succeed like everyone else does, but for that to happen we need a complete change of strategy by him.

He obviously needs to get someone in at recruitment to spot good talented players who we can afford, players much much better than the stocking fillers his team have wasted hundreds of thousands on previously.

I've said it before, big Ron is not daft, and a succesfull 1st team will raise the profile, raise the crowds and raise the value of the club.

I'm still living in hope he see's this and eats a little humble pie, he's not daft, and if he does not want to lose a lot of money then he has to do so, because off the park he's doing well, but that wont last long if we carry on watching this sheite.

I agree, I’ve no bitterness towards RG at all.

Things aren’t working on the park just now, that’s a given. He’s looked at what we’ve been like in recent years and thought if we keep doing the same thing we might get the odd good year but that will be followed by more pish years so he’s tried to find a different way of doing things. It’s not working just now and it appears he’s given his son too much responsibility but if you believe the ITK posters, they’re saying he’s already acted upon that and IG is no longer involved in that aspect.

Things aren’t going great just now but since he took over he’s had covid to deal with, we’ve finished 3rd, had European football and we’re currently a mid table side who are just pretty average on the pitch. In short, we’re doing the same as what happened before he took over so he’s not ruining this club like some are suggesting, he’s just not got us kicking on as we had hoped we would.

I like the fact he’s getting more out the club commercially and I like the fact we’re trying different ways to be successful. It’s not working just now but if he’s learning like I suspect he will be then I think things will come good under him.

[blackpoolhibs]

I agree, I’ve no bitterness towards RG at all.

Things aren’t working on the park just now, that’s a given. He’s looked at what we’ve been like in recent years and thought if we keep doing the same thing we might get the odd good year but that will be followed by more pish years so he’s tried to find a different way of doing things. It’s not working just now and it appears he’s given his son too much responsibility but if you believe the ITK posters, they’re saying he’s already acted upon that and IG is no longer involved in that aspect.

Things aren’t going great just now but since he took over he’s had covid to deal with, we’ve finished 3rd, had European football and we’re currently a mid table side who are just pretty average on the pitch. In short, we’re doing the same as what happened before he took over so he’s not ruining this club like some are suggesting, he’s just not got us kicking on as we had hoped we would.

I like the fact he’s getting more out the club commercially and I like the fact we’re trying different ways to be successful. It’s not working just now but if he’s learning like I suspect he will be then I think things will come good under him.


I think that is our only hope now. :worried:

[mcfly]

A lot being directed at Ron Gordon - what about the chief exec Ben Kensell.?? He has been anonymous for weeks.

9 defeats in last 11 is not good enough

2 derbies coming up will define the season. Lose the cup tie and Easter road will be empty.

You never hear from Kensell when we are doing badly. He is as just as much to blame for this shambles on the pitch.

Recruitment has been a disgrace. The same players that got the prev 2 managers the sack still get a game??

Got a great bunch of u18 players but none even get a chance.

Another lost season for hibs. V poor

[Gatecrasher]

I don't think the guy has a clue to be honest, you can make all the commercial gains you want but it means nothing if you get the football part of the club correct and everyting he has done in that part of the club has been a disaster. It would make an immediate improvement to the club if he and his chronies just left, that alone would at least make people exited again.

If Hearts get an early lead against us on the 2nd it could easily be a hammering, this squad has zero fight, passion or any attributes you need to get a win at Tynecastle.

[IberianHibernian]

I agree, I’ve no bitterness towards RG at all.

Things aren’t working on the park just now, that’s a given. He’s looked at what we’ve been like in recent years and thought if we keep doing the same thing we might get the odd good year but that will be followed by more pish years so he’s tried to find a different way of doing things. It’s not working just now and it appears he’s given his son too much responsibility but if you believe the ITK posters, they’re saying he’s already acted upon that and IG is no longer involved in that aspect.

Things aren’t going great just now but since he took over he’s had covid to deal with, we’ve finished 3rd, had European football and we’re currently a mid table side who are just pretty average on the pitch. In short, we’re doing the same as what happened before he took over so he’s not ruining this club like some are suggesting, he’s just not got us kicking on as we had hoped we would.

I like the fact he’s getting more out the club commercially and I like the fact we’re trying different ways to be successful. It’s not working just now but if he’s learning like I suspect he will be then I think things will come good under him.Excellent post . Noone`s happy with the team now , results or entertainment , and with present squad and manager it`s hard to see much changing soon . But even if we make a couple of decent signings in January and don`t have terrible luck with injuries which ruined last season , the best we could hope for would be 3rd with no guarantee of repeating next season and / or making some sort of impact in Europe . Simple fact is , with current crowds , TV deals etc we can`t sign players that are good enough to really make a big difference which is why we could finish anywhere from 3rd to 12th . Signing more promising young players like Melkersen might lead to better future for club provided we also invest in coaching and develop players properly - what happened to devt team matches v English and other foreign clubs ?

[matty_f]

I agree, I’ve no bitterness towards RG at all.

Things aren’t working on the park just now, that’s a given. He’s looked at what we’ve been like in recent years and thought if we keep doing the same thing we might get the odd good year but that will be followed by more pish years so he’s tried to find a different way of doing things. It’s not working just now and it appears he’s given his son too much responsibility but if you believe the ITK posters, they’re saying he’s already acted upon that and IG is no longer involved in that aspect.

Things aren’t going great just now but since he took over he’s had covid to deal with, we’ve finished 3rd, had European football and we’re currently a mid table side who are just pretty average on the pitch. In short, we’re doing the same as what happened before he took over so he’s not ruining this club like some are suggesting, he’s just not got us kicking on as we had hoped we would.

I like the fact he’s getting more out the club commercially and I like the fact we’re trying different ways to be successful. It’s not working just now but if he’s learning like I suspect he will be then I think things will come good under him.

Spot on.

I think there's sound logic in what he's trying to do. The execution of the strategy has been woeful though, but even then we're only really at the early stages of it because of the impact of covid.

I get the argument that Pretty Boy made either in this thread or another, about there being no way you can base you're strategy around unearthing gems breaking through, and I don't think the club are actually looking to have a team of talented youngsters. They know the importance of experience and you only have to look at McGeady, Marshall, Boyle signed this summer to demonstrate that.

If we revert back to what we've always done and do what everyone else is doing, we're going to limit what we can achieve.

The model to grow revenue, commercially, through player trading and most key in the plan - the biggest goal for the club - through on field success and consistent European participation is one way to break that ceiling.

We're not the only club with those aims, it's a competitive environment and do we have to be outstanding in what we do. At the moment that very key component is what's missing. We need better performance from the recruiters, the coaches... everyone with a direct impact on the first team results has to deliver more than they're delivering now and if they aren't able to, then they need to be moved on, and quickly.

I think the immediacy of the situation we're in makes it very easy to say that everything's broken, that everyone's clueless and that the strategy is wrong but having delivered on strategy and change projects before, I know that it's not always a smooth ride from A to B, even with great people working with you.

[hibsbollah]

I agree, I’ve no bitterness towards RG at all.

Things aren’t working on the park just now, that’s a given. He’s looked at what we’ve been like in recent years and thought if we keep doing the same thing we might get the odd good year but that will be followed by more pish years so he’s tried to find a different way of doing things. It’s not working just now and it appears he’s given his son too much responsibility but if you believe the ITK posters, they’re saying he’s already acted upon that and IG is no longer involved in that aspect.

Things aren’t going great just now but since he took over he’s had covid to deal with, we’ve finished 3rd, had European football and we’re currently a mid table side who are just pretty average on the pitch. In short, we’re doing the same as what happened before he took over so he’s not ruining this club like some are suggesting, he’s just not got us kicking on as we had hoped we would.

I like the fact he’s getting more out the club commercially and I like the fact we’re trying different ways to be successful. It’s not working just now but if he’s learning like I suspect he will be then I think things will come good under him.

Fair and balanced post.

[Hibiza]

Who is Ron Gordon ?

[Hibiza]

Spot on.

I think there's sound logic in what he's trying to do. The execution of the strategy has been woeful though, but even then we're only really at the early stages of it because of the impact of covid.

I get the argument that Pretty Boy made either in this thread or another, about there being no way you can base you're strategy around unearthing gems breaking through, and I don't think the club are actually looking to have a team of talented youngsters. They know the importance of experience and you only have to look at McGeady, Marshall, Boyle signed this summer to demonstrate that.

If we revert back to what we've always done and do what everyone else is doing, we're going to limit what we can achieve.

The model to grow revenue, commercially, through player trading and most key in the plan - the biggest goal for the club - through on field success and consistent European participation is one way to break that ceiling.

We're not the only club with those aims, it's a competitive environment and do we have to be outstanding in what we do. At the moment that very key component is what's missing. We need better performance from the recruiters, the coaches... everyone with a direct impact on the first team results has to deliver more than they're delivering now and if they aren't able to, then they need to be moved on, and quickly.

I think the immediacy of the situation we're in makes it very easy to say that everything's broken, that everyone's clueless and that the strategy is wrong but having delivered on strategy and change projects before, I know that it's not always a smooth ride from A to B, even with great people working with you.

C'mon Matty - truth of the Xmas pudding is in the eating.

[leith lynx]

Spot on.

I think there's sound logic in what he's trying to do. The execution of the strategy has been woeful though, but even then we're only really at the early stages of it because of the impact of covid.

I get the argument that Pretty Boy made either in this thread or another, about there being no way you can base you're strategy around unearthing gems breaking through, and I don't think the club are actually looking to have a team of talented youngsters. They know the importance of experience and you only have to look at McGeady, Marshall, Boyle signed this summer to demonstrate that.

If we revert back to what we've always done and do what everyone else is doing, we're going to limit what we can achieve.

The model to grow revenue, commercially, through player trading and most key in the plan - the biggest goal for the club - through on field success and consistent European participation is one way to break that ceiling.

We're not the only club with those aims, it's a competitive environment and do we have to be outstanding in what we do. At the moment that very key component is what's missing. We need better performance from the recruiters, the coaches... everyone with a direct impact on the first team results has to deliver more than they're delivering now and if they aren't able to, then they need to be moved on, and quickly.

I think the immediacy of the situation we're in makes it very easy to say that everything's broken, that everyone's clueless and that the strategy is wrong but having delivered on strategy and change projects before, I know that it's not always a smooth ride from A to B, even with great people working with you.
That's a very good summation Matty.

[Bostonhibby]

I agree, I’ve no bitterness towards RG at all.

Things aren’t working on the park just now, that’s a given. He’s looked at what we’ve been like in recent years and thought if we keep doing the same thing we might get the odd good year but that will be followed by more pish years so he’s tried to find a different way of doing things. It’s not working just now and it appears he’s given his son too much responsibility but if you believe the ITK posters, they’re saying he’s already acted upon that and IG is no longer involved in that aspect.

Things aren’t going great just now but since he took over he’s had covid to deal with, we’ve finished 3rd, had European football and we’re currently a mid table side who are just pretty average on the pitch. In short, we’re doing the same as what happened before he took over so he’s not ruining this club like some are suggesting, he’s just not got us kicking on as we had hoped we would.

I like the fact he’s getting more out the club commercially and I like the fact we’re trying different ways to be successful. It’s not working just now but if he’s learning like I suspect he will be then I think things will come good under him.

A lot of sense here Bingo, taking the passion for our club and what it means to all of us out of it the current custodian could probably be even more commercially successful if the first team football part of the club continues to slide the wrong way and just looks for a bigger £ return from the asset than hes put in, it's what opportunists do, we've seen it before.

I don't think that's what he is but I think he's in the area of having to show true business acumen by bolstering the team that direct the club on the football side that is the Scottish game, and can then sensibly analyse and see if the dream to develop and sell on players for whatever benefit is actually feasible given the pressure to achieve the former.

I struggle with Ben in this respect but if his brief was to push on and improve the commercial side he is doing it.

Shorter term that might be fine but the long term football development side ain't working, we need ourseemingly relatively successful youth players to be coming through and getting a chance instead of players coming in ahead of them and simply blocking their opportunities to succeed or fail before they in turn get loaned out or moved on.

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[Ozyhibby]

I think RG will be a success at Hibs. Commercially he appears to be doing a great job at bringing in the dollars and that’s the most important thing in football. The size of the playing budget is the biggest determination of success. He is increasing that massively.
The football side is poor just now but that can be fixed by appointing the right people. Right now he needs to be asking his CEO some very hard questions.


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[Greencore]

I think RG will be a success at Hibs. Commercially he appears to be doing a great job at bringing in the dollars and that’s the most important thing in football. The size of the playing budget is the biggest determination of success. He is increasing that massively.
The football side is poor just now but that can be fixed by appointing the right people. Right now he needs to be asking his CEO some very hard questions.


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And his son.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think RG will be a success at Hibs. Commercially he appears to be doing a great job at bringing in the dollars and that’s the most important thing in football. The size of the playing budget is the biggest determination of success. He is increasing that massively.
The football side is poor just now but that can be fixed by appointing the right people. Right now he needs to be asking his CEO some very hard questions.


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Ron has shown absolutely zero ability to appoint the right people, despite having a bigger budget to do so. I think he'll continue to fail as he is clueless. He had a brilliant CEO who knew the game here. She'll be above us soon too.

[GreenCastle]

Ron has shown absolutely zero ability to appoint the right people, despite having a bigger budget to do so. I think he'll continue to fail as he is clueless. He had a brilliant CEO who knew the game here. She'll be above us soon too.

LD left as she wanted to be closer to family etc.

The main appoints that have struggled are linked to recruitment - the sponsorship and other parts of the club such as hospitality are thriving so not all bad hiring.

[SunshineOn1875]

It’s a shame people didn’t have this energy when Tom Farmer and the Tash were running the club into the ground with humiliation after humiliation in cup finals/Europe, managers like Fenton, calderwood and butcher and loan deals/free transfers and everything done on the cheap rather than investing the money we needed.

Ron Gordon has owned Hibs for less than 5 years and invested more money on players than I’ve ever seen before under the previous regime. If he can bridge the gap with a DOF and have his son deal with finance/commercial side of things then we could be a huge success, have heard a DOF Is due soon so we might not be a million miles away,

Under the previous regime we were never a top 4 side and very rarely did we finish above hearts, (cue someone calling me a Jambo or what not for pointing out the obvious which in reality is a hard pill to swallow) The reality is that nobody will spend more money as an owner than Gordon has currently, fan ownership is a hilarious thought when we struggle to get 17,000 through the gate every week and can’t fill our allocation at Hampden. We’d cease to exist under fan ownership within 5 years and certainly wouldn’t be investing as heavy for transfer movement. Unless we have some sort of huge benefactor which we clearly don’t.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s a shame people didn’t have this energy when Tom Farmer and the Tash were running the club into the ground with humiliation after humiliation in cup finals/Europe, managers like Fenton, calderwood and butcher and loan deals/free transfers and everything done on the cheap rather than investing the money we needed.

Ron Gordon has owned Hibs for less than 5 years and invested more money on players than I’ve ever seen before under the previous regime. If he can bridge the gap with a DOF and have his son deal with finance/commercial side of things then we could be a huge success, have heard a DOF Is due soon so we might not be a million miles away,

Under the previous regime we were never a top 4 side and very rarely did we finish above hearts, (cue someone calling me a Jambo or what not for pointing out the obvious which in reality is a hard pill to swallow) The reality is that nobody will spend more money as an owner than Gordon has currently, fan ownership is a hilarious thought when we struggle to get 17,000 through the gate every week and can’t fill our allocation at Hampden. We’d cease to exist under fan ownership within 5 years and certainly wouldn’t be investing as heavy for transfer movement. Unless we have some sort of huge benefactor which we clearly don’t.

Lets preface this by saying Tom Farmer inherited Hibs in an absolute mess. Financial shambles, stadium a dump, no training ground. He won a trophy within months. He then modernized the club, 4 new stands, training ground, another cup. Absolutely brutal years from 2007 to 2013, but when he appointed Leanne, we were really on the up, won the Scottish and lets be honest, he left us in such a better position than he inherited us.

Ron Gordon probably wont achieve or do anything like Farmer did for us. Farmer never run Hibs into the ground, never even close, thats a laughable thing to say.

[marinello59]

It’s a shame people didn’t have this energy when Tom Farmer and the Tash were running the club into the ground with humiliation after humiliation in cup finals/Europe, managers like Fenton, calderwood and butcher and loan deals/free transfers and everything done on the cheap rather than investing the money we needed.

Ron Gordon has owned Hibs for less than 5 years and invested more money on players than I’ve ever seen before under the previous regime. If he can bridge the gap with a DOF and have his son deal with finance/commercial side of things then we could be a huge success, have heard a DOF Is due soon so we might not be a million miles away,

Under the previous regime we were never a top 4 side and very rarely did we finish above hearts, (cue someone calling me a Jambo or what not for pointing out the obvious which in reality is a hard pill to swallow) The reality is that nobody will spend more money as an owner than Gordon has currently, fan ownership is a hilarious thought when we struggle to get 17,000 through the gate every week and can’t fill our allocation at Hampden. We’d cease to exist under fan ownership within 5 years and certainly wouldn’t be investing as heavy for transfer movement. Unless we have some sort of huge benefactor which we clearly don’t.

You didn’t see the constant Petrie out stuff then? The vitriol directed towards him was off the scale sometimes .

Ron Gordon has taken us backwards. . He’s actually getting quite an easy ride so far.

[SunshineOn1875]

Lets preface this by saying Tom Farmer inherited Hibs in an absolute mess. Financial shambles, stadium a dump, no training ground. He won a trophy within months. He then modernized the club, 4 new stands, training ground, another cup. Absolutely brutal years from 2007 to 2013, but when he appointed Leanne, we were really on the up, won the Scottish and lets be honest, he left us in such a better position than he inherited us.

Ron Gordon probably wont achieve or do anything like Farmer did for us. Farmer never run Hibs into the ground, never even close, thats a laughable thing to say.


Let’s be honest I hope he doesn’t “achieve” the 2 relegations, countless cup final misery’s including games against a Livingston side who went bust a few years later, defeat of our biggest rivals in the biggest derby game we’ve ever seen including watching them in Europe every other year and them beating us 2-3 times a season, selling some of the greatest talents the club has ever produced, countless humpings in Europe, a truly horrendous period between 2007-2015 where money for players was extremely limited including loan after loan and free transfers and let’s not even mention the managers brought in to “help”, people saying we are going backwards as a club but funnily enough didn’t say this when he first bought the club and helped us finish 3rd for the first time in 13 years.

[green day]

He had a brilliant CEO who knew the game here. She'll be above us soon too.

Jesus Christ..........

[SunshineOn1875]

Let’s not mention 2 trophies won since 1991, a capital club in one of the best city’s in the world, we don’t have the right to be demanding to finish 3rd/4th every year as it was never a target under the last regime so why should it change now? We aren’t going backwards as a club, 1 Scottish cup in 114 years doesn’t turn us into top 3 challengers automatically. Hope this helps, it took us 3 years to get out of the championship under the almighty Leanne Dempster everyone chirps on about haha.

We finished 4th under Lennon in our first season back, the club backed the spineless players instead of him and we were right back to where we belong as a club.

People seem to forget that we as a club have underachieved for 30 years and it clearly isn’t Ron Gordon’s fault.

Employing people such as Lewis Stevenson and Paul Hanlon, Chris Cadden is exactly what holds us back, but it’s fine 2 of them won a trophy in 2016 so they should be rewarded with more game time even though they are completely finished. Turn it in

[marinello59]

Let’s be honest I hope he doesn’t “achieve” the 2 relegations, countless cup final misery’s including games against a Livingston side who went bust a few years later, defeat of our biggest rivals in the biggest derby game we’ve ever seen including watching them in Europe every other year and them beating us 2-3 times a season, selling some of the greatest talents the club has ever produced, countless humpings in Europe, a truly horrendous period between 2007-2015 where money for players was extremely limited including loan after loan and free transfers and let’s not even mention the managers brought in to “help”, people saying we are going backwards as a club but funnily enough didn’t say this when he first bought the club and helped us finish 3rd for the first time in 13 years.

I’m not the only one who has expressed doubts since the start of Ron Gordon’s tenure. He has a way to go yet before I am convinced he is going to take us to where I would like us to be.

[SunshineOn1875]

I’m not the only one who has expressed doubts since the start of Ron Gordon’s tenure. He has a way to go yet before I am convinced he is going to take us to where I would like us to be.



He’s been here for 3 years, we achieved bottom 6 finish after bottom 6 finish under the last regime, what part of you seems to think we deserve to be a top 6 club? We haven’t been for a long time.

[marinello59]

what part of you seems to think we deserve to be a top 6 club?

The optimistic Hibs supporting part of me. I really have no control over it. :greengrin

[SunshineOn1875]

The optimistic Hibs supporting part of me. I really have no control over it. :greengrin


Haha fair play. I think a DOF will be a huge step if he wants us to be successful, which I have heard is coming soon but have no idea if this is the case or not as can’t be sure with the rumours etc that fly around.

[Sir David Gray]

He’s been here for 3 years, we achieved bottom 6 finish after bottom 6 finish under the last regime, what part of you seems to think we deserve to be a top 6 club? We haven’t been for a long time.

We had finished in the top six in the two seasons leading up to Ron Gordon's takeover of the club.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Let’s be honest I hope he doesn’t “achieve” the 2 relegations, countless cup final misery’s including games against a Livingston side who went bust a few years later, defeat of our biggest rivals in the biggest derby game we’ve ever seen including watching them in Europe every other year and them beating us 2-3 times a season, selling some of the greatest talents the club has ever produced, countless humpings in Europe, a truly horrendous period between 2007-2015 where money for players was extremely limited including loan after loan and free transfers and let’s not even mention the managers brought in to “help”, people saying we are going backwards as a club but funnily enough didn’t say this when he first bought the club and helped us finish 3rd for the first time in 13 years.

so losing cup finals was Tom Farmer’s fault, but getting to cup finals (and winning 3 of them) wasn’t down to him? Getting humped in Europe was his fault but getting to Europe wasn’t down to him? How does that work? And Scottish teams get humped every year in Europe by the way. Just look at this season’s shambles.

there were some stagnant times under the Farmer/Petrie regime but there were also some good times. And a brand new stadium. And fantastic training facilities. He (along with HoH) saved the club in its darkest hour ffs. He more than earned our respect. Ron Gordon has yet to do that.

[neil7908]

He’s been here for 3 years, we achieved bottom 6 finish after bottom 6 finish under the last regime, what part of you seems to think we deserve to be a top 6 club? We haven’t been for a long time.

We deserve nothing - you need to earn success in football. But given the difference in budget we have year in year out versus the likes of Livi and Ross County, I don't think it's too much to ask for us to consistently finish ahead of them.

[May21/05/216]

Agree

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[WestStandMoaner]

Let’s not mention 2 trophies won since 1991, a capital club in one of the best city’s in the world, we don’t have the right to be demanding to finish 3rd/4th every year as it was never a target under the last regime so why should it change now? We aren’t going backwards as a club, 1 Scottish cup in 114 years doesn’t turn us into top 3 challengers automatically. Hope this helps, it took us 3 years to get out of the championship under the almighty Leanne Dempster everyone chirps on about haha.

We finished 4th under Lennon in our first season back, the club backed the spineless players instead of him and we were right back to where we belong as a club.

People seem to forget that we as a club have underachieved for 30 years and it clearly isn’t Ron Gordon’s fault.

Employing people such as Lewis Stevenson and Paul Hanlon, Chris Cadden is exactly what holds us back, but it’s fine 2 of them won a trophy in 2016 so they should be rewarded with more game time even though they are completely finished. Turn it in

Not sure why you think not having Hanlon or Stevenson at the club would sort all our problems out. These two guys have given 100% to our club over the years. Granted they are in their twilight years but if it was up to me I would keep them around the club in some capacity for years to come. Pony up Gordon has got rid of too many loyal hibbys from the club and when you do that you loose your connect with the fans.
Gordon is not here for the love of the club he is here to make a profit on his investment. Hence why the commercial side is so important to him and personally I have no problem with that as long as on the park we are moving forward which we are clearly not. What gets to me is guys like you protecting him when he has only been here 5 minutes but you think slagging of two players that have given their all for hibs is ok. Get a grip and focus on the real issues, bad recruitment and owners who are clearly out of their depth as far as the football department is concerned .
It’s certainly not the fault of Hanlon or Stevenson

[Forza Fred]

I think Ron Gordon’s intentions are honourable, and I think he is smart enough to figure out our performance has not met expectations, and needs to be corrected.

I’d be surprised if he doesn’t come out in the next few weeks and outline how he’s learned lessons.

I wouldn’t be surprised though, if there is a management restructure before the end of the season either.

[Bridge hibs]

Not sure why you think not having Hanlon or Stevenson at the club would sort all our problems out. These two guys have given 100% to our club over the years. Granted they are in their twilight years but if it was up to me I would keep them around the club in some capacity for years to come. Pony up Gordon has got rid of too many loyal hibbys from the club and when you do that you loose your connect with the fans.
Gordon is not here for the love of the club he is here to make a profit on his investment. Hence why the commercial side is so important to him and personally I have no problem with that as long as on the park we are moving forward which we are clearly not. What gets to me is guys like you protecting him when he has only been here 5 minutes but you think slagging of two players that have given their all for hibs is ok. Get a grip and focus on the real issues, bad recruitment and owners who are clearly out of their depth as far as the football department is concerned .
It’s certainly not the fault of Hanlon or StevensonRon ‘pony up’ Gordon took over hibs in 2019 so hardly 5 minutes but correct, he and his team have been here long enough to realise their signing policy has been an utter ****ing shambles in the main. Lets see if they have learned anything with the January window about to open, although traditionally its a short and difficult window

I agree that its not fair to pin the blame solely on Hanlon and Stevenson but in the main moving forward they are part of the problem and not the solution. Good loyal servants to the club but I think they have run their race and if we have to improve as a team then we need better

Cabraja was the automatic replacement for Doig/Stevenson but after a good start he has dropped out, Im not sure why but Im sure Johnson would be best placed to answer that. Hanlon, Ive always been a fan but the past few times Ive seen him he has looked a shadow of the player he used to be, poor distribution, poor reading of the game and has looked quite leggy

I agree for experience alone it would be good to have these guys around the club to support the youngsters coming through, thats probably my sentimental head though but to be honest if those two were told they were no longer required at the club then so be it, we need to move on and we cant do that on sentiment

[Bostonhibby]

Lets preface this by saying Tom Farmer inherited Hibs in an absolute mess. Financial shambles, stadium a dump, no training ground. He won a trophy within months. He then modernized the club, 4 new stands, training ground, another cup. Absolutely brutal years from 2007 to 2013, but when he appointed Leanne, we were really on the up, won the Scottish and lets be honest, he left us in such a better position than he inherited us.

Ron Gordon probably wont achieve or do anything like Farmer did for us. Farmer never run Hibs into the ground, never even close, thats a laughable thing to say.[emoji106]

And it's also almost as if we never won cups during Farmer's ownership. The last Edinburgh team to win both the league cup and the Scottish cup.

The other things you correctly highlight are things our Edinburgh rivals have yet to achieve, or in the case of our wholly owned and paid for training asset, ever likely to achieve.

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[JimBHibees]

I'm going to buck the trend here and say i want him to succeed like everyone else does, but for that to happen we need a complete change of strategy by him.

He obviously needs to get someone in at recruitment to spot good talented players who we can afford, players much much better than the stocking fillers his team have wasted hundreds of thousands on previously.

I've said it before, big Ron is not daft, and a succesfull 1st team will raise the profile, raise the crowds and raise the value of the club.

I'm still living in hope he see's this and eats a little humble pie, he's not daft, and if he does not want to lose a lot of money then he has to do so, because off the park he's doing well, but that wont last long if we carry on watching this sheite.

Completely agree definitely want him to succeed however there are obvious areas we need to do better in and as a football club the most important ones.

[Brightside]

Not sure why you think not having Hanlon or Stevenson at the club would sort all our problems out. These two guys have given 100% to our club over the years. Granted they are in their twilight years but if it was up to me I would keep them around the club in some capacity for years to come. Pony up Gordon has got rid of too many loyal hibbys from the club and when you do that you loose your connect with the fans.
Gordon is not here for the love of the club he is here to make a profit on his investment. Hence why the commercial side is so important to him and personally I have no problem with that as long as on the park we are moving forward which we are clearly not. What gets to me is guys like you protecting him when he has only been here 5 minutes but you think slagging of two players that have given their all for hibs is ok. Get a grip and focus on the real issues, bad recruitment and owners who are clearly out of their depth as far as the football department is concerned .
It’s certainly not the fault of Hanlon or Stevenson

And Josh Campbell will be the only Hibs guy left soon enough. A team full of travelling salesmen. The remainder of the squad have no emotional connection to our club. That’s my biggest worry moving forward. RG has done great work with the revenue but he maybe needs to start giving us an identity again.

[JimBHibees]

I agree, I’ve no bitterness towards RG at all.

Things aren’t working on the park just now, that’s a given. He’s looked at what we’ve been like in recent years and thought if we keep doing the same thing we might get the odd good year but that will be followed by more pish years so he’s tried to find a different way of doing things. It’s not working just now and it appears he’s given his son too much responsibility but if you believe the ITK posters, they’re saying he’s already acted upon that and IG is no longer involved in that aspect.

Things aren’t going great just now but since he took over he’s had covid to deal with, we’ve finished 3rd, had European football and we’re currently a mid table side who are just pretty average on the pitch. In short, we’re doing the same as what happened before he took over so he’s not ruining this club like some are suggesting, he’s just not got us kicking on as we had hoped we would.

I like the fact he’s getting more out the club commercially and I like the fact we’re trying different ways to be successful. It’s not working just now but if he’s learning like I suspect he will be then I think things will come good under him.

Good post and an important bit of context re covid and trying a different approach. There appear to be some positives however definitely has to improve on the footballing side.

[green day]

I know that "off field" is important........but I don't buy a season ticket to look at a balance sheet.

Hibs are a football club, and if the first team is boring or failing then most of us don't give a monkeys about the other stuff.

[MWHIBBIES]

Let’s be honest I hope he doesn’t “achieve” the 2 relegations, countless cup final misery’s including games against a Livingston side who went bust a few years later, defeat of our biggest rivals in the biggest derby game we’ve ever seen including watching them in Europe every other year and them beating us 2-3 times a season, selling some of the greatest talents the club has ever produced, countless humpings in Europe, a truly horrendous period between 2007-2015 where money for players was extremely limited including loan after loan and free transfers and let’s not even mention the managers brought in to “help”, people saying we are going backwards as a club but funnily enough didn’t say this when he first bought the club and helped us finish 3rd for the first time in 13 years.

He's doing an excellent job so far. Well on course to achieve many of those things.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lets preface this by saying Tom Farmer inherited Hibs in an absolute mess. Financial shambles, stadium a dump, no training ground. He won a trophy within months. He then modernized the club, 4 new stands, training ground, another cup. Absolutely brutal years from 2007 to 2013, but when he appointed Leanne, we were really on the up, won the Scottish and lets be honest, he left us in such a better position than he inherited us.

Ron Gordon probably wont achieve or do anything like Farmer did for us. Farmer never run Hibs into the ground, never even close, thats a laughable thing to say.

:agree:

3 cups, Franck Sauzee, Russel Latapy, Tony Mowbray, golden generation, Boozy, Murphy, John McGinn, guys like Hanlon and Stevenson who are now some of our players with most appearances in history, a whole new stadium, a training centre, players sold for record transfer fees, record season ticket sales etc.

If we achieve half that under Ron Gordon he’ll have done well.

[Northernhibee]

It’s not his managerial appointments that are the problem.
Bang on. Maloney may have been, but the problems run way deeper.

[Forza Fred]

I think Ron Gordon’s intentions are honourable, and I think he is smart enough to figure out our performance has not met expectations, and needs to be corrected.

I’d be surprised if he doesn’t come out in the next few weeks and outline how he’s learned lessons.

I wouldn’t be surprised though, if there is a management restructure before the end of the season either.

[Ozyhibby]

Bang on. Maloney may have been, but the problems run way deeper.

I don’t think the problems are that deep. We have appointed crap managers and or recruitment has been poor.
They should be easily fixed if the will is there.
It will be a lot easier to fix that than persuading Petrie that Hibs was a business that could grow commercially instead of a business where the books just balanced every year.
I think over time the higher wage spending at Hibs with RG will bring more rewards.


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[MWHIBBIES]

I don’t think the problems are that deep. We have appointed crap managers and or recruitment has been poor.
They should be easily fixed if the will is there.
It will be a lot easier to fix that than persuading Petrie that Hibs was a business that could grow commercially instead of a business where the books just balanced every year.
I think over time the higher wage spending at Hibs with RG will bring more rewards.


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The most important and most difficult thing should be easily fixed. Stop it man. He's shown absolutely no ability to fix the problems on the pitch. None whatever. It will probably be far more difficult to fix because he's actually never done it before, whereas increasing revenues will be fairly basic to him.

If Ron Gordon wins 3 trophies in charge of Hibs, like farmer did, I'll **** in my hands and clap.

[matty_f]

The most important and most difficult thing should be easily fixed. Stop it man. He's shown absolutely no ability to fix the problems on the pitch. None whatever. It will probably be far more difficult to fix because he's actually never done it before, whereas increasing revenues will be fairly basic to him.

If Ron Gordon wins 3 trophies in charge of Hibs, like farmer did, I'll **** in my hands and clap.

He doesn't need to know how, he just needs to employ people that do.

He's had a few unsuccessful transfer windows now to show exactly where the failure point is.

[CapitalGreen]

The most important and most difficult thing should be easily fixed. Stop it man. He's shown absolutely no ability to fix the problems on the pitch. None whatever. It will probably be far more difficult to fix because he's actually never done it before, whereas increasing revenues will be fairly basic to him.

If Ron Gordon wins 3 trophies in charge of Hibs, like farmer did, I'll **** in my hands and clap.

Might have been a lot closer to this if your man Jack Ross hadn’t blown it at Hampden on numerous occasions against inferior opposition.

[Eyrie]

And Josh Campbell will be the only Hibs guy left soon enough. A team full of travelling salesmen. The remainder of the squad have no emotional connection to our club. That’s my biggest worry moving forward. RG has done great work with the revenue but he maybe needs to start giving us an identity again.

I'm more interested in having a squad of good players performing on the pitch than a squad of Hibs fans, or at least with a few Hibs fans, which struggles.

How many of the first team squad at Liverpool or Man City grew up idolising that club?

[Brightside]

I'm more interested in having a squad of good players performing on the pitch than a squad of Hibs fans, or at least with a few Hibs fans, which struggles.

How many of the first team squad at Liverpool or Man City grew up idolising that club?

That’s a different level though. At our bang average level effort will get you much further than skill. We don’t have much of either.

[MWHIBBIES]

He doesn't need to know how, he just needs to employ people that do.

He's had a few unsuccessful transfer windows now to show exactly where the failure point is.

Yes, I agree. He's shown absolutely no ability to do that, either. He inherited Dempster and Mathie, he now has Kensell and his son. He's got no idea what hes doing IMO.


Might have been a lot closer to this if your man Jack Ross hadn’t blown it at Hampden on numerous occasions against inferior opposition.

Certainly. Jack Ross isn't ''my man''. Right now, I'd take 3rd place and losing at Hampden, wouldn't you?

[blackpoolhibs]

Might have been a lot closer to this if your man Jack Ross hadn’t blown it at Hampden on numerous occasions against inferior opposition.

I'd bite your hand off for those days again.

[Greenworld]

Interesting bit of info last night that if Hibs loose to hearts then LJ is gone , hibs already have replacement lined up this is from a conversation with BK our elusive ceo and another hibs man I watch on with interest .

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[Hibiza]

He doesn't need to know ho tvw, he just needs to employ people that do.

He's had a few unsuccessful transfer windows now to show exactly where the failure point is.

He's not thou .

[H18 SFR]

Interesting bit of info last night that if Hibs loose to hearts then LJ is gone , hibs already have replacement lined up this is from a conversation with BK our elusive ceo and another hibs man I watch on with interest .

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I had heard the players knew Livi was a must win for all involved. Interestingly, not hearing the same as you though re tomorrow.

[Bridge hibs]

Interesting bit of info last night that if Hibs loose to hearts then LJ is gone , hibs already have replacement lined up this is from a conversation with BK our elusive ceo and another hibs man I watch on with interest .

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using TapatalkSteve Kean until the end of the season

So the transfer window will have just opened, if perchance we beat hearts then Johnson stays on to sign some players and then if we lose the next game or two then he gets emptied and then Kean inherits Johnsons new signings

Or the board have identified signings and Kean has been involved

Or the above is just complete bollox and Johnson is going nowhere, and neither is Kean

[davhibby]

Ron has shown absolutely zero ability to appoint the right people, despite having a bigger budget to do so. I think he'll continue to fail as he is clueless. He had a brilliant CEO who knew the game here. She'll be above us soon too.

I’d have a look at how LD is actually doing in her current role before spouting that again. She done a great job at Hibs but had already stayed for too long before she did go. Just because Ron hasn’t picked a replacement that’s worked out doesn’t change that.

Ron’s heart is clearly in the right place but he really needs someone in to run the football side properly before he’s unable to win people like yourself over.

[Steven79]

Interesting bit of info last night that if Hibs loose to hearts then LJ is gone , hibs already have replacement lined up this is from a conversation with BK our elusive ceo and another hibs man I watch on with interest .

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using TapatalkWouldn't surprise me as stuff came out about Ross and Maloney before they were emptied.

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[LeithMike]

He doesn't need to know how, he just needs to employ people that do.

He's had a few unsuccessful transfer windows now to show exactly where the failure point is.

I think that’s it exactly. It needs a bit of humility and admission that this is not like anything he’s done.

The appointment of both Maloney and LJ smacked of enabling him/others being able to run the club with a coach. I’m not fussed about a director of football but would want to see a very strong manager if LJ goes - one that RG says here’s your budget and allows him to get on with it. I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea but someone like McInnes would surely get everything in order across the football club.

We’d also know if he took the job that RG was giving him control.


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[SHODAN]

Ahead of Monday this is Gordon's derby record so far:

Played: 8
Won: 1 (12.5%)
Drawn: 2 (25%)
Lost: 5 (62.5%)

Scored: 7
Conceded: 12

[Ozyhibby]

I think that’s it exactly. It needs a bit of humility and admission that this is not like anything he’s done.

The appointment of both Maloney and LJ smacked of enabling him/others being able to run the club with a coach. I’m not fussed about a director of football but would want to see a very strong manager if LJ goes - one that RG says here’s your budget and allows him to get on with it. I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea but someone like McInnes would surely get everything in order across the football club.

We’d also know if he took the job that RG was giving him control.


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I would take McInnes in a heartbeat.


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[Shrekko]

I would take McInnes in a heartbeat.


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I firmly believe that the Hibs board stayed clear of him when he was freely available after Jack Ross left because they knew many fans wouldn’t have been happy.

An absolutely obvious choice but he’d no doubt have been labelled Ross Mark 2 etc. before he even got started.

[H18 SFR]

I would take McInnes in a heartbeat.


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McInnes has previously turned down Rangers, Sunderland and Ipswich. He’s not accepting any offer from Hibs to come and work for us thankfully.

[H18 SFR]

I firmly believe that the Hibs board stayed clear of him when he was freely available after Jack Ross left because they knew many fans wouldn’t have been happy.

An absolutely obvious choice but he’d no doubt have been labelled Ross Mark 2 etc. before he even got started.

I’ve probably just made that very point in the post above in fairness to you.

[MWHIBBIES]

McInnes has previously turned down Rangers, Sunderland and Ipswich. He’s not accepting any offer from Hibs to come and work for us thankfully.

Eh, you know he's at Kilmarnock right? He'd walk here to join us.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I would take McInnes in a heartbeat.


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We had “steady as she goes” with Jack Ross. I’d e surprised if the majority were accepting of “Del” - Dons fans will tell you how it is… I don’t think he’s the fit for Hibs but then again - who i

i do think as a support we need to stop whatever it is that’s blocking us - some appear to be wilfully obtuse around backing the club financially squabbling about a fighting fund, share, whatever. We have sufficient vehicles to invest in the club - ones which do not attract VAT are where the smart money is. Invest in that or don’t, but if you don’t STFU whinging about those that do and those volunteers helping administer it - put up or shut up.

Peace out. Happy NY when it comes :)

[Shrekko]

I’ve probably just made that very point in the post above in fairness to you.

Yip😁

Hibs fans are unhappy when we try to make creative appointments because they rarely work, and also unhappy with anyone deemed ‘pragmatic’ regardless of results (because obviously we’ve been like peak Brazil most of our history… apparently).

A very difficult job appointing a Hibs manager ….

[Billy Whizz]

I firmly believe that the Hibs board stayed clear of him when he was freely available after Jack Ross left because they knew many fans wouldn’t have been happy.

An absolutely obvious choice but he’d no doubt have been labelled Ross Mark 2 etc. before he even got started.

There’s not a hope in hell that McInnes would touch Hibs under Ron’s ownership
Derek is a control freak and wants to be in charge of everything. He’s already fallen out with one absent owner at Aberdeen, and what a state they are in now!

When he joined Killie, apart from bringing in his own backroom staff, which is pretty normal, the then DOF James Fowler was removed too, and he brought in his own man in the summer

He’s always said the most important relationship at a club is the Manager/Chairman one

[Bridge hibs]

McInnes has previously turned down Rangers, Sunderland and Ipswich. He’s not accepting any offer from Hibs to come and work for us thankfully.You mean the same Mcinnes that is managing Kilmarnock 😀

[Waxy]

No treating our managers very well are we?
Why not get behind him and try and sort out all the other problems instead.

[Bostonhibby]

Steve Kean until the end of the season

So the transfer window will have just opened, if perchance we beat hearts then Johnson stays on to sign some players and then if we lose the next game or two then he gets emptied and then Kean inherits Johnsons new signings

Or the board have identified signings and Kean has been involved

Or the above is just complete bollox and Johnson is going nowhere, and neither is KeanHope you're right on the bollox bit but who knows?

If right, it's just indiscreet and a bit unprofessional if any member of our board is freely talking this way.

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[Stuart93]

No treating our managers very well are we?
Why not get behind him and try and sort out all the other problems instead.

Cause he’s one of them.

He should be getting a lot more out of the squad we have

[Stuart93]

Eh, you know he's at Kilmarnock right? He'd walk here to join us.

And failing at that.

[Bridge hibs]

Hope you're right on the bollox bit but who knows?

If right, it's just indiscreet and a bit unprofessional if any member of our board is freely talking this way.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkI would be very surprised if the hibs chiefs were away interviewing another Manager when Johnson is still at the helm, moreso if he has been given the ultimatum of win v hearts or yer teas oot. If he wins then they facetime the new Manager in waiting to tell him to hold off for a bit until we lose another game

Why wait on a coin toss, if they are gonna boot him nae point in waiting on a will he wont he

Complete made up bollocks in my opinion

[Billy Whizz]

I would be very surprised if the hibs chiefs were away interviewing another Manager when Johnson is still at the helm, moreso if he has been given the ultimatum of win v hearts or yer teas oot. If he wins then they facetime the new Manager in waiting to tell him to hold off for a bit until we lose another game

Why wait on a coin toss, if they are gonna boot him nae point in waiting on a will he wont he

Complete made up bollocks in my opinion
It wasn’t the last time when Kensell was giving out hints to a load of Hibs fans

[Iain G]

McInnes you say? (yawn) Why that's an amazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

[easty]

And failing at that.

Is he failing at Killie? They’re 9th. I’d say they’re doing as well as could be expected.

[Bridge hibs]

It wasn’t the last time when Kensell was giving out hints to a load of Hibs fansDo you believe it ? Where is the logic in giving him the derby, what if he wins it, what next, given the next game then the next then the next ?

If there is no trust there then why are they waiting on the derby before making a decision. The transfer window will be open and this window of all will be a very important one as far as many thousands of hibs fans are concerned. The recruitment thus far has been shambolic and Gordon et al will be aware of that, if they dont trust Johnson now then they never will

Some game of Russian roulette they are playing here

[Iain G]

Do you believe it ? Where is the logic in giving him the derby, what if he wins it, what next, given the next game then the next then the next ?

If there is no trust there then why are they waiting on the derby before making a decision. The transfer window will be open and this window of all will be a very important one as far as many thousands of hibs fans are concerned. The recruitment thus far has been shambolic and Gordon et al will be aware of that, if they dont trust Johnson now then they never will

Some game of Russian roulette they are playing here

Or it's all made up bull****? There is no sense in punting our manager every 6 months.

[Billy Whizz]

Do you believe it ? Where is the logic in giving him the derby, what if he wins it, what next, given the next game then the next then the next ?

If there is no trust there then why are they waiting on the derby before making a decision. The transfer window will be open and this window of all will be a very important one as far as many thousands of hibs fans are concerned. The recruitment thus far has been shambolic and Gordon et al will be aware of that, if they dont trust Johnson now then they never will

Some game of Russian roulette they are playing here

I was only replying to your post. Maloney was given 3 games to turn it round, and didn’t
I get your concern though, to be honest I think we all are?

[easty]

I would be very surprised if the hibs chiefs were away interviewing another Manager when Johnson is still at the helm, moreso if he has been given the ultimatum of win v hearts or yer teas oot. If he wins then they facetime the new Manager in waiting to tell him to hold off for a bit until we lose another game

Why wait on a coin toss, if they are gonna boot him nae point in waiting on a will he wont he

Complete made up bollocks in my opinion

I dunno if I’d be surprised that Kensell would be speaking freely about things he shouldn’t he, I’d be disappointed though.

The rest of what you say makes sense to me though, if they’re already speaking to other managers, then just make the decision to sack Johnson now, cos if you’re already lining up a replacement then it’s a “when”, not an “if”.

[loanheadhibby]

Do you believe it ? Where is the logic in giving him the derby, what if he wins it, what next, given the next game then the next then the next ?

If there is no trust there then why are they waiting on the derby before making a decision. The transfer window will be open and this window of all will be a very important one as far as many thousands of hibs fans are concerned. The recruitment thus far has been shambolic and Gordon et al will be aware of that, if they dont trust Johnson now then they never will

Some game of Russian roulette they are playing here

Was this not the rumours before the semi final? Maloney was a goner if he didn’t win? 2 days later he was out the door.

I can foresee the same for LJ. Hopefully he gets results in next 2 derbies.

[B.H.F.C]

I dunno if I’d be surprised that Kensell would be speaking freely about things he shouldn’t he, I’d be disappointed though.

The rest of what you say makes sense to me though, if they’re already speaking to other managers, then just make the decision to sack Johnson now, cos if you’re already lining up a replacement then it’s a “when”, not an “if”.

I might be totally making this up (I don’t think I am). But was there not similar chat ahead of the double header with Hearts in April, Kensell speaking about what defeat(s) would do for Maloney. Maybe at a sponsors event or something.

[Bridge hibs]

I was only replying to your post. Maloney was given 3 games to turn it round, and didn’t
I get your concern though, to be honest I think we all are?I know you were mate, I was just wondering if you believed it

Nothing surprises me with hibs nowadays to be honest and also to the OP, you heard what you did and posted in good faith but Im struggling to see any logic in it

[Baldy Foghorn]

If we sack another manager after 6 Months, then who would really want to work for us. The problem is much higher then LJ

[Bridge hibs]

Was this not the rumours before the semi final? Maloney was a goner if he didn’t win? 2 days later he was out the door.

I can foresee the same for LJ. Hopefully he gets results in next 2 derbies.Not sure mate but if thats the approach the hibs board or for that matter Kensell are taking then its a pretty ****ty and underhand way of dealing with things. If we on here know about it then I would bet a wage that Johnson will know about it

[Smartie]

If (lots of ifs here) we lose to Hearts, we punt Johnson, it's been as per our CEO gobbing off to folk then I honestly don't know where to start being pissed off about it all.

Maybe best wait until any of it actually happens then.

[Waxy]

Cause he’s one of them.

He should be getting a lot more out of the squad we have

Assuming the players are being treated like adults it’s the players that are at fault we aren’t doing better.
After all this we are still in the middle of the prem where we probably should be.

[bingo70]

If we sack another manager after 6 Months, then who would really want to work for us. The problem is much higher then LJ

Unemployed managers will always back themselves to turn round an underperforming club, why wouldn’t they? If they fail, they’ll just say it’s because of the owners.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Unemployed managers will always back themselves to turn round an underperforming club, why wouldn’t they? If they fail, they’ll just say it’s because of the owners.

They are usually unemployed for a reason though, it wouldn't be the creme de la creme we were operating with

[B.H.F.C]

If we sack another manager after 6 Months, then who would really want to work for us. The problem is much higher then LJ

I do agree there are problems above the manager. But if you’ve lost 8 out of 10 and you have a derby coming up, there aren’t many managers who would survive a defeat in that at any club.

We have big problems but LJ is contributing to them at the moment.

[Unseen work]

Hopefully the talk of it all depending on the hearts game is not true and we’ve not been speaking to anyone else.

We’re just about to go into a window where for the first time in a year the manager has has time to assess the squad and figure out what he wants and need, and who is not good enough.

Changing now only starts all the problems again.

If it was mcinnes or Martindale they would at least know what our squad is like and who is not good enough and what’s needed. But I can’t imagine either of them liking the current set up, sacking managers every 6 months or going behind the managers back to speak with potential new ones.

If it’s anyone you’d imagine they’re out of a job at the moment.

I really hope LJ isn’t sacked, but the board have made a rod for their own back sacking Ross and Maloney after their results.

2 wins in 10 is something I’d expect fans to at least match.

[loanheadhibby]

Not sure mate but if thats the approach the hibs board or for that matter Kensell are taking then its a pretty ****ty and underhand way of dealing with things. If we on here know about it then I would bet a wage that Johnson will know about it

It seems to be the way in football tho. Does seem pretty underhanded. I suspect Johnson will know deep inside that he has to get some form of results in next 2 derbies. I’d imagine at least a draw tomorrow and win in cup tie.

If he lost both, he’s a goner for sure. His record to date is very concerning.

To be fair, it’s a big ask against the ****bos given their budget compared to ours.

[Baldy Foghorn]

FWIW I think LJ will be given the next window, to swap, let go and barter for other player's coming in. Huge rebuild job on his hands now

[loanheadhibby]

I do agree there are problems above the manager. But if you’ve lost 8 out of 10 and you have a derby coming up, there aren’t many managers who would survive a defeat in that at any club.

We have big problems but LJ is contributing to them at the moment.

Ultimately the manager carries the cab regardless of what else is wrong with club. Ron not going to sack his son or himself.

Hopefully Lee can do the business on Monday.

[hibsbollah]

If (lots of ifs here) we lose to Hearts, we punt Johnson, it's been as per our CEO gobbing off to folk then I honestly don't know where to start being pissed off about it all.

Maybe best wait until any of it actually happens then.

:agree:

I wonder what’s going to happen on here when McKirdy and Youan ram late winners in the postage stamp, give it a good old GIRUY to 3/4s of the ground and 2023 continues in the same vein.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Ultimately the manager carries the cab regardless of what else is wrong with club. Ron not going to sack his son or himself.

Hopefully Lee can do the business on Monday.

Fingers crossed we can beat that shower

[Hibees1973]

If we sack another manager after 6 Months, then who would really want to work for us. The problem is much higher then LJ

Agreed.

Surely if Ron is contemplating sacking another manager he must have a notion that there is something wrong with the structure at Hibs.

If Johnson is sacked Ron should apologise for this ego trip he is on, put the club up for sale and immediately remove his son and Kensall. Ron has spouted before that he has turned down offers to buy Hibs.

Put David Gray in charge until the end of the season. Hopefully we will plod on until May and keep above the bottom 2.

By then the Yank, sommelier and spiv will be gone and we can have a fresh start.

[Dmas]

FWIW I think LJ will be given the next window, to swap, let go and barter for other player's coming in. Huge rebuild job on his hands now

I think so too and it’s probably right he gets the chance, my faith is waining but as has been stated in other posts a lot of these players have got 2 managers the sack someone is going to need to be given the time and opportunity to get them out the road, it would help if it looked as if there was some sort of plan to the players that are coming in it’s so scatter gun looking it’s hard to tell if even LJ has an idea of how it’s going to come together to form a team it’s just a big bunch of football players rather than a functioning squad

[Unseen work]

Not blaming Steve Kean in the slightest btw as from what I’ve seen and heard he’s doing a brilliant job.

But when we appointed him I’m sure some Blackburn fans said to watch him as all of a sudden managers relationships with the boards wouldn’t be good and tensions would rise?

Has anyone heard anything about Kean or what he’s like around the club? As from the face of it he looks like a good person to have but was just wondering if the Blackburn fans opinions were accurate or not

[Hibees1973]

:agree:

I wonder what’s going to happen on here when McKirdy and Youan ram late winners in the postage stamp, give it a good old GIRUY to 3/4s of the ground and 2023 continues in the same vein.

Have you started drinking a bit too early.

[B.H.F.C]

Agreed.

Surely if Ron is contemplating sacking another manager he must have a notion that there is something wrong with the structure at Hibs.

If Johnson is sacked Ron should apologise for this ego trip he is on, put the club up for sale and immediately remove his son and Kensall. Ron has spouted before that he has turned down offers to buy Hibs.

Put David Gray in charge until the end of the season. Hopefully we will plod on until May and keep above the bottom 2.

By then the Yank, sommelier and spiv will be gone and we can have a fresh start.

Someone lined up to buy us is there?

[bingo70]

They are usually unemployed for a reason though, it wouldn't be the creme de la creme we were operating with

I think that’s just the market we operate in.

Who was the last manager we appointed that was already in a managers job? Butcher probably?

[Bridge hibs]

Agreed.

Surely if Ron is contemplating sacking another manager he must have a notion that there is something wrong with the structure at Hibs.

If Johnson is sacked Ron should apologise for this ego trip he is on, put the club up for sale and immediately remove his son and Kensall. Ron has spouted before that he has turned down offers to buy Hibs.

Put David Gray in charge until the end of the season. Hopefully we will plod on until May and keep above the bottom 2.

By then the Yank, sommelier and spiv will be gone and we can have a fresh start.When did Ron get an offer from someone to buy hibs ?

[Baldy Foghorn]

I think that’s just the market we operate in.

Who was the last manager we appointed that was already in a managers job? Butcher probably?

Was going to say fair point, until you mentioned Pat

[Hibees1973]

When did Ron get an offer from someone to buy hibs ?

It was on one of his rambling, waffling interviews. Someone with more technical knowledge on downloads than me will be able to dig it up.

It was around a year ago he mentioned it.

[bingo70]

Was going to say fair point, until you mentioned Pat

Apologies, hopefully not ruined your year.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Apologies, hopefully not ruined your year.

I'm just hoping we can start the new year with a win and then continue with some winnable January games. Something I like about LJ, just hope we can start winning.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm just hoping we can start the new year with a win and then continue with some winnable January games. Something I like about LJ, just hope we can start winning.

Ron Gordon ain’t going anywhere anytime soon.

We need to hope that rumours of him facing up to some of his errors are true and change is indeed coming (or already underway) behind the scenes.

Above all, we need to hope we beat these ***** on Monday. I wouldn’t say I’m confident of it happening but, despite all our problems, it’s not impossible for us to climb the table as we’re not alone in having problems and/or lack of quality.

[Unseen work]

Ron Gordon ain’t going anywhere anytime soon.

We need to hope that rumours of him facing up to some of his errors are true and change is indeed coming (or already underway) behind the scenes.

Above all, we need to hope we beat these ***** on Monday. I wouldn’t say I’m confident of it happening but, despite all our problems, it’s not impossible for us to climb the table as we’re not alone in having problems and/or lack of quality.

I half thought if Alan Nixon’s tweet about a story about Hibs tomorrow would be DOF due to the rumours as opposed to any players coming or going.

[H18 SFR]

Ron Gordon ain’t going anywhere anytime soon.

We need to hope that rumours of him facing up to some of his errors are true and change is indeed coming (or already underway) behind the scenes.

Above all, we need to hope we beat these ***** on Monday. I wouldn’t say I’m confident of it happening but, despite all our problems, it’s not impossible for us to climb the table as we’re not alone in having problems and/or lack of quality.

Does facing up to his errors mean going back to Jack Ross to get him back? He is certainly on the record in terms of sharing how highly he thinks of him.

[B.H.F.C]

Does facing up to his errors mean going back to Jack Ross to get him back? He is certainly on the record in terms of sharing how highly he thinks of him.

Depends if you see him getting rid of Jack Ross as an error I suppose. It won’t happen regardless.

[CL0762]

Not blaming Steve Kean in the slightest btw as from what I’ve seen and heard he’s doing a brilliant job.

But when we appointed him I’m sure some Blackburn fans said to watch him as all of a sudden managers relationships with the boards wouldn’t be good and tensions would rise?

Has anyone heard anything about Kean or what he’s like around the club? As from the face of it he looks like a good person to have but was just wondering if the Blackburn fans opinions were accurate or not

Done a podcast with Josh O’Connor & Ethan Laidlaw a few weeks ago, the young players absolutely love him.

How that translates to board relationships etc I’m not sure but he certainly is a favourite amongst the u18s/dev team.

[CabbageMatt]

I think the biggest piece here is, as long as it’s being run as a business first, the football will suffer.


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[JimBHibees]

I think the biggest piece here is, as long as it’s being run as a business first, the football will suffer.


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All about getting the balance of the two.

[Jones28]

I half thought if Alan Nixon’s tweet about a story about Hibs tomorrow would be DOF due to the rumours as opposed to any players coming or going.

Alan Nixon knows **** all, his main focus is making sure Hibs lose out on players to Aberdeen, mainly by including us both in any story about any player coming to Scotland.

[Heisenberg]

I’m looking forward to his next round of media appearances this week to tell us everything will be alright despite sacking another manager and that Ian and Ben are still doing a fantastic job.

[truehibernian]

I’m looking forward to his next round of media appearances this week to tell us everything will be alright despite sacking another manager and that Ian and Ben are still doing a fantastic job.

He’ll hide behind commercialism - don’t expect him to front up to the mess he’s created 😂 he’s a disaster and unless fans revolt we are stuck with the loser.

Ron Gordon is EXACTLY the reason we are where we are.

[allezsauzee]

I’m looking forward to his next round of media appearances this week to tell us everything will be alright despite sacking another manager and that Ian and Ben are still doing a fantastic job.

i don't think Kensell is the problem here. It's Ian Gordon. The recruitment is an absolute shambles and I'm pretty sure Ben would gladly be shot of him.

[SHODAN]

Get out of my club, Gordon.

[CL0762]

I’m looking forward to his next round of media appearances this week to tell us everything will be alright despite sacking another manager and that Ian and Ben are still doing a fantastic job.

He won’t front up this time, there’s real anger developing towards him.

[Gatecrasher]

Get out of my club, Gordon.

:agree: he's made a complete arse of it

[Big_Franck]

i don't think Kensell is the problem here. It's Ian Gordon. The recruitment is an absolute shambles and I'm pretty sure Ben would gladly be shot of him.

Agreed. But Ron won't be having it, Ian works really hard and apparently that makes him the perfect man to lead player recruitment at a club our size.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Get out of our club.

[LunasBoots]

Get out of my club, Gordon.

While he's making profits on everything else around the club let's be honest he's not going anywhere.

[Baader]

Fix it or go

[CB Hibs 68]

Ron,Son of Ron and BK should get on their ponies and bugger off.Sadly don’t think that will happen anytime soon so Christ knows what is going to happen over the next few weeks. Whatever unfolds will be reactive and not strategic and regardless of what happens we better all accept we are way more likely to slip down the league rather than climb the table.Sad times.

[Glory Lurker]

Fix it or go

But there is no go. Nobody with the cash to take us forward exists.

He needs to realise he's bought a company in a business he doesnae have a clue about and bring folk in who do to run it for him.

We're in debt to the boy and if we don't start turning the ship I really worry where we are going to end up.

[dp00]

We should have seen the writing on the wall when long serving members of staff kept leaving one after another

The issue is we are stuck with him


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