Climate change and the impending apocalypse

[Moulin Yarns]

So have the other nations though and when you look at the graph it our outsourcing doesn't match our deindustrialisation. We do outsource but we actually actually manufacture 2% of the world's goods whilst being 0.85% of the world's population

The biggest jump has been in the last 18 years when our deindustrialisation has been flat,it was already gone to the service sector post millennium. By far the biggest factor is the switching from coal being our biggest source of power to renewables. Hopefully there is jobs created in the area of the pit that is closing

I wonder about your sources sometime.

https://www.safeguardglobal.com/resources/top-10-manufacturing-countries-in-the-world/

[Stairway 2 7]

I wonder about your sources sometime.

https://www.safeguardglobal.com/resources/top-10-manufacturing-countries-in-the-world/

Do you aye, class that you spent your time looking. There is probably different lists but Make Analysts has us dropping from 8th in the world to 12 and around 2% of global manufacturing goods, which they blame on brexit. Regardless if it's 2% like they say or dropped lowe it'll definitely be above 0.85% of our world population.
https://manufacturingdigital.com/articles/why-has-the-uk-dropped-out-the-top-10-manufacturing-nations

"Part of the UK's drop from the top ten is down to positive manufacturing growth in other countries.

China, the US, Japan and Germany continue to dominate, accounting for 55% of world manufacturing output while the UK accounts only for 2%.
Manufacturers in these four nations are ramping up investment in industrial robots, AI, automation and electric vehicles, with strong governmental support and investment"



Al the above just accounts for goods UK is now the world's 4th largest exporter due to our service industry being massive. There is Co2 linked to the service sector, from the use through tourism, banking and technical services which all use power. Whilst brexit is affecting goods badly the service sector is flying and as a service nation that's what probably is keeping us in growth

https://www.cityam.com/services-trade-sees-uk-become-worlds-fourth-largest-exporter/

Services trade sees UK become world’s fourth largest exporter

Miles Celic, CEO of TheCityUK, said the news was “very encouraging”, adding: “The UK’s strong export performance has been supercharged by services generally and the financial and related professional services industry in particular.

“Britain is the largest net exporter of financial services in the world, and the second largest exporter of financial services overall, behind only the US.

“The industry is an enormous national advantage for the UK and one that generates jobs and drives growth across the country.”

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[Ozyhibby]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZSyH-EWEAER6lo?format=jpg&name=medium

Labour have given them the nod with the carbon capture nonsense.


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[AgentDaleCooper]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8yyle2eq2o

UN says global efforts are 'wildly off track'. yikes.

[cabbageandribs1875]

not sure if the floods in Valencia are attributable to climate change but this was the aftermath in one part this morning



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[Sylar]

not sure if the floods in Valencia are attributable to climate change but this was the aftermath in one part this morning



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They received 343mm of rainfall in 4 hours. That's absolutely not 'normal' and most likely attributable.

Quite staggering footage and data!

[Moulin Yarns]

They received 343mm of rainfall in 4 hours. That's absolutely not 'normal' and most likely attributable.

Quite staggering footage and data!

I've got friends in andalusia, I'm waiting to hear from them.

[Sylar]

I've got friends in andalusia, I'm waiting to hear from them.

Hope they're OK, MY.

Our infrastructure and systems just aren't set up to deal with these events. Especially in places where aridity is a far more challenging issue than excess!

[cabbageandribs1875]

Death Toll reaches 158 :( awful

Taiwan getting battered by a super-typhoon with winds of 200mph

[Moulin Yarns]

Hope they're OK, MY.

Our infrastructure and systems just aren't set up to deal with these events. Especially in places where aridity is a far more challenging issue than excess!

They are fine, quite a bit further south of valencia. Apparently roasting sunshine.

[DaveF]

The videos from Spain are absolutely mind boggling. The devastation is off the scale.

[Corstorphine Hibby]

There was a devastating flood in Valencia 1957. That was before climate change though. Not sure what the scientists attributed that flood to?

[lapsedhibee]

There was a devastating flood in Valencia 1957. That was before climate change though. Not sure what the scientists attributed that flood to?

Also a big one even further back, in Noah's time. I don't think The Scientists are claiming that floods never happened before, rather that they are becoming more frequent.

[Stairway 2 7]

There was a devastating flood in Valencia 1957. That was before climate change though. Not sure what the scientists attributed that flood to?

People that highlight every flood now and say it's because climate change are silly. People that don't look at the higher frequency of major floods and attribute it that or the phenomenal growth in world and sea temperatures to climate change are sillier

[Corstorphine Hibby]

Also a big one even further back, in Noah's time. I don't think The Scientists are claiming that floods never happened before, rather that they are becoming more frequent.

Yeah, that's why you and I probably disagree. The planet is (according to experts) 4 billion plus years old. Accurate weather records are, roughly, 150 years old. Feel free to provide the evidence that floods are becoming more frequent from Noah's time until now.

[The Tubs]

Yeah, that's why you and I probably disagree. The planet is (according to experts) 4 billion plus years old. Accurate weather records are, roughly, 150 years old. Feel free to provide the evidence that floods are becoming more frequent from Noah's time until now.

We are in a short-term, in relation to Earth's lifetime, trend.

[The Tubs]

It was interesting to hear about some of the ideas that were talked about in Baku regarding how to fund poor countries paying for the damage we've inflicted on them. Many of the ideas were obviously about taxing the superwealthy.

We've always had the oil companies trying to obscure the evidence but now we've got another level of **** trying to feed us s***. It'll be interesting/sad to see what happens to NOAA under Trump.

[Stairway 2 7]

Yeah, that's why you and I probably disagree. The planet is (according to experts) 4 billion plus years old. Accurate weather records are, roughly, 150 years old. Feel free to provide the evidence that floods are becoming more frequent from Noah's time until now.

There's records that go back much longer but the use other factors like geology to back up scientific findings. I wouldn't ask for someone on here or any form of social media to give you the information. I'd go to scientist that have studied it for decades, 99% will agree and back it up with data that the world has seen an unprecedented heating. This heating brings higher rainfall, therfore more floods. I'd say the evidence is so clear that only people who havent tried to look at a range of scientific sources wouldn't believe in man made climate change.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Yeah, that's why you and I probably disagree. The planet is (according to experts) 4 billion plus years old. Accurate weather records are, roughly, 150 years old. Feel free to provide the evidence that floods are becoming more frequent from Noah's time until now.

what Stairway says is absolutely correct. If you don't believe geologists, meteorologists and 99% of the scientific consensus, you could also ask Exxon Mobile and Shell, who conducted extensive research in the 70s into the consequences of burning fossils fuels, and upon creating a projection that CO2 levels would be at catastrophic levels by 2060, embarked on a massive dis-information campaign, downplaying their own findings.

surely, in such circumstances, the burden of proof is on the person saying that climate change doesn't exist.

[Paul1642]

It was interesting to hear about some of the ideas that were talked about in Baku regarding how to fund poor countries paying for the damage we've inflicted on them. Many of the ideas were obviously about taxing the superwealthy.

We've always had the oil companies trying to obscure the evidence but now we've got another level of **** trying to feed us s***. It'll be interesting/sad to see what happens to NOAA under Trump.

The thing that was bothering me about COP 29 is that India seemed to be the spokespcountry for the ‘poorer nations’. 5th largest economy in the world and rising and 3rd largest polluter.

[RyeSloan]

The thing that was bothering me about COP 29 is that India seemed to be the spokespcountry for the ‘poorer nations’. 5th largest economy in the world and rising and 3rd largest polluter.

All handily helped along with huge volumes of cheap Russian oil as well!

Canny geo political operators the current Indian establishment.

[Sylar]

Yeah, that's why you and I probably disagree. The planet is (according to experts) 4 billion plus years old. Accurate weather records are, roughly, 150 years old. Feel free to provide the evidence that floods are becoming more frequent from Noah's time until now.

I'm on my phone so can't do the copy/paste of relevant papers and links, but look up the scientific discipline of palaeolimnology. Search for articles that use sediment deposition, isotopic proxies to measure changing flood frequencies.

This isn't new science - it's well established, with many examples of historical flood analyses!

[Bristolhibby]

Yeah, that's why you and I probably disagree. The planet is (according to experts) 4 billion plus years old. Accurate weather records are, roughly, 150 years old. Feel free to provide the evidence that floods are becoming more frequent from Noah's time until now.

Well we have had a few ice ages thrown in there too so not much flood data there. Plenty of evidence of glacial erosion. Oh and the fact that the ice and permafrost is the lowest levels in human history.

J

[Just Alf]

Well we have had a few ice ages thrown in there too so not much flood data there. Plenty of evidence of glacial erosion. Oh and the fact that the ice and permafrost is the lowest levels in human history.

JYou did geography back in the day!

And Listened :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/bumblebees-increase-by-more-than-100x-in-remarkable-scotland-rewilding-project-from-35-bees-to-over-4000/


This might not mean much to most people but it's the kind of thing I was trying to get more of when I was working in Perth and Kinross

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/bumblebees-increase-by-more-than-100x-in-remarkable-scotland-rewilding-project-from-35-bees-to-over-4000/


This might not mean much to most people but it's the kind of thing I was trying to get more of when I was working in Perth and Kinross

That's class, some result they got

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yd18q248jo

Some good news.


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[Moulin Yarns]

I've just gone ahead with solar panels and battery storage. Expect to have them fitted in February or March.

[Callum_62]

I've just gone ahead with solar panels and battery storage. Expect to have them fitted in February or March.We've had ours for a few years

We have a really cheap overnight tariff so in winter use that time to fill up the battery from the grid

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[Hibrandenburg]

I've just gone ahead with solar panels and battery storage. Expect to have them fitted in February or March.

Did it a while back. Enough sunshine today to charge my storage up to 67%, that's easily a day's electricity for me in January and most days in the summer I'm getting paid for producing it. Best thing I've done in the last few years.

[Ozyhibby]

I've just gone ahead with solar panels and battery storage. Expect to have them fitted in February or March.

Will be interested to see how that goes. Thinking of doing the same. Have a west/east facing roof so not sure if suitable. Which company are you using?


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[Jones28]

I've just gone ahead with solar panels and battery storage. Expect to have them fitted in February or March.

Good decision, what sort of system have you gone for?

I've got something similar, the installers made a few different cock ups which they did resolve to an extent but the overall system doesn't work to full capacity. They messed up with the inverter, so one of the strings wasn't giving enough voltage to let the inverter know it was there.

They gave us another inverter FOC to resolve it but it has capped the performance at 3.5kw despite having 4.9kw of panels.

It's something I want to resolve in the near future as we are missing out on production and money.

[Moulin Yarns]

Will be interested to see how that goes. Thinking of doing the same. Have a west/east facing roof so not sure if suitable. Which company are you using?


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My roof is the same, getting 19 panels, 7 on west side and 12 on east.

Local company, R. W. Bell green energy.

[Moulin Yarns]

Good decision, what sort of system have you gone for?

I've got something similar, the installers made a few different cock ups which they did resolve to an extent but the overall system doesn't work to full capacity. They messed up with the inverter, so one of the strings wasn't giving enough voltage to let the inverter know it was there.

They gave us another inverter FOC to resolve it but it has capped the performance at 3.5kw despite having 4.9kw of panels.

It's something I want to resolve in the near future as we are missing out on production and money.

19 panels and Tesla storage battery.

More details

8.36kw panels

7kw inverter

13.5kwh Tesla battery

[Jones28]

19 panels and Tesla storage battery.

More details

8.36kw panels

7kw inverter

13.5kwh Tesla battery

Fantastic stuff.

[Moulin Yarns]

Fantastic stuff.

I hope so, the projection is payback in less than 10 years ( at today's prices for electricity) and generating more than we use for about 4 months in summer. Can't wait!

[Jones28]

I hope so, the projection is payback in less than 10 years ( at today's prices for electricity) and generating more than we use for about 4 months in summer. Can't wait!

Just for info we’re on one of Bulbs electricity tariffs which is designed for solar panel users.

They have peak generation periods so you get paid a premium for selling back to the grid at peak times (4-7pm) and cheaper import rates overnight so you can force-charge the batteries overnight when it’s cheaper, especially good in the winter when generation is way down in the day.

[Moulin Yarns]

Just for info we’re on one of Bulbs electricity tariffs which is designed for solar panel users.

They have peak generation periods so you get paid a premium for selling back to the grid at peak times (4-7pm) and cheaper import rates overnight so you can force-charge the batteries overnight when it’s cheaper, especially good in the winter when generation is way down in the day.

I saw that was something to do, I think the Tesla app will be able to run that automatically. Guess I'll find out.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2025/01/19/byd-tesla-biggest-ev-manufacturer/

BYD now biggest electric car company and China will be more than 50% electric car sales next year.
They are very cheap and good quality to be fair.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2025/01/19/byd-tesla-biggest-ev-manufacturer/

BYD now biggest electric car company and China will be more than 50% electric car sales next year.
They are very cheap and good quality to be fair.


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Can understand Musk wanting tariffs. Will be tremendous if the world goes electric vehicle, will take many many decades to filter through but it's good to kick on

[Ozyhibby]

Can understand Musk wanting tariffs. Will be tremendous if the world goes electric vehicle, will take many many decades to filter through but it's good to kick on

Aren’t Tesla built in China?


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[Stairway 2 7]

Aren’t Tesla built in China?


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Just searched, yeah many, there may be trouble ahead. TBF I thought it would be the first year before the egotistic came to blows

[Jones28]

BP announce they are dropping climate friendliness and going all out on fossil fuels. Super.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/mar/07/london-air-pollution-down-since-ulez-expansion-study

Well done London. Edinburgh should look to expand the LEZ.[emoji106]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/mar/09/postcode-electricity-pricing-ed-miliband-zonal-pricing-energy?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=bsky_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Bluesky#Echobox=1741574341

This probably won’t happen because it benefits Scotland but it really should. We have been giving the go ahead for windmills all these years while England refused. We should be benefitting.


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/households-near-pylons-to-get-hundreds-off-energy-bills-under-planning-overhaul

Alright if you live near pylons?







https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyd49dxyxxo


Because the rest of us will pay for it!!!!

[Ozyhibby]

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[Ozyhibby]

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[Smartie]

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That’s outstanding.

Good that there’s still progress being made in some corners of the globe whilst others seem hell bent on sticking us all in reverse.

[Jones28]

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Amazing stuff. I drive past the battery site near Lesmahagow regularly and it's going to be some site when up and running.

It's progress.

[greenlex]

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I reckon the Perth area in Oz could produce enough for the whole world. It’s nearly always sunny and very windy.

[Hibs4185]

I’m sure the batteries in Oz are supplied and installed by Tesla?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/apr/24/ed-miliband-energy-pricing-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-latest-live-uk-politics-news?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=bluesky&CMP=bsky_gu

They weren’t worried about the postcode lottery when it came to putting windmills up. If Labour don’t go through with zonal pricing it will be a kick in the teeth once again for Scots.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Ed appears not to understand what it means?


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[Brummie_Hibs]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/22/uk-scientists-outdoor-geoengineering-experiments

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[Moulin Yarns]

https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/53c703a0-2346-013c-f63a-0acc26574db2/6457f9c1-7b29-4c43-8567-a14835187a73

Another great chat with the CEO of Octopus energy