Boyle

[Diclonius]

Any news on the injury?

[hibee_girl]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/lee-johnson-praises-hibs-potential-as-manager-provides-injury-update-on-martin-boyle-after-win-over-st-mirren-3898515

Johnson saying it’s not his knee

[Spike Mandela]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/lee-johnson-praises-hibs-potential-as-manager-provides-injury-update-on-martin-boyle-after-win-over-st-mirren-3898515

Johnson saying it’s not his knee

Sounds a bit worried though.:rolleyes:

[DaveF]

Really hope this is just a knock he can.shake off rather than anything which could hamper us or his world cup.

[BlackSheep]

There used to be a day that my main concern for Boyle getting injured was for hibs… but I think we have a good range of replacements to step in now.

Right now I hope he isn’t long term injured cos he missed the Copa America with his first knee injury, it would be a great shame for him to miss the World Cup through injury as well.

Fingers crossed for the lad.

[Johnny_Leith]

It was typically inept refereeing that led to Boyles injury.

Waiting to blow the whistle after foul comitted within close proximity to other players caused players to jump in and Boyle takes a sore one, what was the thinking there? There was no advantage to be had, just blow the whistle.

Hope Martin is fine for our games and of course his World Cup.

[ehf]

It was typically inept refereeing that led to Boyles injury.

Waiting to blow the whistle after foul comitted within close proximity to other players caused players to jump in and Boyle takes a sore one, what was the thinking there? There was no advantage to be had, just blow the whistle.

Hope Martin is fine for our games and of course his World Cup.

Yup, thought that at the time (although Martin initially seemed OK). Sheer incompetence, which could deprive him of what should be the pinnacle of his career.

[Johnny_Leith]

Yup, thought that at the time (although Martin initially seemed OK). Sheer incompetence, which could deprive him of what should be the pinnacle of his career.

Yup, same thing happened way back with Kevin Thomson and his first cruciate injury (vs Partick at ER I think). Ref takes his time to blow the whistle with no advantage to be had, players dive in and Thomson is out for a year. They don't understand the game and never learn.

LJ spoke the other day about integrating retiring pros into reffing which I think is a great idea. I know Sean Murdoch, our former GK, is making his way up the footballing pyramid refereeing and is getting good reviews.

[H18 SFR]

Yup, same thing happened way back with Kevin Thomson and his first cruciate injury (vs Partick at ER I think). Ref takes his time to blow the whistle with no advantage to be had, players dive in and Thomson is out for a year. They don't understand the game and never learn.

LJ spoke the other day about integrating retiring pros into reffing which I think is a great idea. I know Sean Murdoch, our former GK, is making his way up the footballing pyramid refereeing and is getting good reviews.

Yesterdays referee played with Queens Park, Partick and St Mirren. Not convinced being former player adds much to the skill set based on him.

[Johnny_Leith]

Yesterdays referee played with Queens Park, Partick and St Mirren. Not convinced being former player adds much to the skill set based on him.

Ah I didn't realise that. Is it common practice for a referee to officiate a game that includes a former club, or are we just short of refs up here?

[Hibernian Verse]

Ah I didn't realise that. Is it common practice for a referee to officiate a game that includes a former club, or are we just short of refs up here?

Down south the referees tell the FA who they support. Not up here though, and we know why.

[easty]

Down south the referees tell the FA who they support. Not up here though, and we know why.

It’d be pointless to ask. They’d just lie.

[ACLeith]

Down south the referees tell the FA who they support. Not up here though, and we know why.

And last time I looked the place of birth of every grade 1 referee was stated as "Scotland". I suppose saves the embarrassment of seeing "Govan" against so many of them.

[007]

It’d be pointless to ask. They’d just lie.

Lots of St Mirren, Partick, Motherwell and Kilmarnock supporters in the refereeing fraternity. 🤔

[Forza Fred]

There used to be a day that my main concern for Boyle getting injured was for hibs… but I think we have a good range of replacements to step in now.

Right now I hope he isn’t long term injured cos he missed the Copa America with his first knee injury, it would be a great shame for him to miss the World Cup through injury as well.

Fingers crossed for the lad.

Australia didn’t actually go to the Copa America.

They did accept an invite to go but later had to pull out as rearranged fixture dates meant it would clash with World Cup qualifying dates in the Asian confederation.

Fingers and toes crossed though that he’s fit for the World Cup.

[JimBHibees]

Yesterdays referee played with Queens Park, Partick and St Mirren. Not convinced being former player adds much to the skill set based on him.

Don Robertson?

[JimBHibees]

It was typically inept refereeing that led to Boyles injury.

Waiting to blow the whistle after foul comitted within close proximity to other players caused players to jump in and Boyle takes a sore one, what was the thinking there? There was no advantage to be had, just blow the whistle.

Hope Martin is fine for our games and of course his World Cup.

Agree with that definitely should have blew imo think it was similar with the sore one Hanlon took looked this there was a previous foul he ignored. Thought he let a lot go on Saturday and also gave them so many soft fouls in the second half so they could launch into the box.

[number9dream]

Don Robertson?

As a kid. Never played pro football.

[JimBHibees]

As a kid. Never played pro football.

Ok thought the post up the thread seemed to be saying he was an ex pro.

[BlackSheep]

Update on Boyle… he trained today so hopefully that means it wasn’t serious and he came off as a precaution at the weekend.

[Mcbizz1998]

Update on Boyle… he trained today so hopefully that means it wasn’t serious and he came off as a precaution at the weekend.

Great news!

[flash]

Update on Boyle… he trained today so hopefully that means it wasn’t serious and he came off as a precaution at the weekend.

Presumably just a contact injury then.

[Bostonhibby]

Don Robertson?Apparently he was brilliant at subbuteo.

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[One Day Soon]

Lots of St Mirren, Partick, Motherwell and Kilmarnock supporters in the refereeing fraternity. 🤔

'West of Scotland FC' surely?

[Gmack7]

Update on Boyle… he trained today so hopefully that means it wasn’t serious and he came off as a precaution at the weekend.

Great news for us as he's a vital part of our side also looking forward to watching him at the WC

[California-Hibs]

Update on Boyle… he trained today so hopefully that means it wasn’t serious and he came off as a precaution at the weekend.

Amazing news!!

[JimBHibees]

Update on Boyle… he trained today so hopefully that means it wasn’t serious and he came off as a precaution at the weekend.

Fantastic news

[A Hi-Bee]

That is good news and the only possible reason for this Hibs supporter to watch that world cup in the middle of nowhere.

[BlackSheep]

That is good news and the only possible reason for this Hibs supporter to watch that world cup in the middle of nowhere.

I get the sentiment but I’m sure there’s a few hibees from warmer climates that may be lucky enough to have a team in the competition! 😂

[kevles67]

Delighted he trained today, Aberdeen game is massive

[A Hi-Bee]

I get the sentiment but I’m sure there’s a few hibees from warmer climates that may be lucky enough to have a team in the competition! 😂

Aye, lucky dingo's that they is, good luck to Martin, he deserves to play at the highest level possible.
I just hope he also sends McLeish a postcard.

[Forza Fred]

I get the sentiment but I’m sure there’s a few hibees from warmer climates that may be lucky enough to have a team in the competition! 😂

Yep, you can be a Hibs supporter and not necessarily reside in Scotland.

Fairly large following down here are desperate to see Martin in the World Cup Finals, but if he doesn’t make it, pretty sure they’ll still be watching the Socceroos 3 games

[blackpoolhibs]

I get the sentiment but I’m sure there’s a few hibees from warmer climates that may be lucky enough to have a team in the competition! 😂

I have 31. :greengrin

[Hibby70]

I get the sentiment but I’m sure there’s a few hibees from warmer climates that may be lucky enough to have a team in the competition! 😂

I'm pretty sure we all have Iranian relatives anyway.

[Forza Fred]

I have 31. :greengrin


:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[Col2]

Have we seen any official confirmation Boyle injury is not as bad given it’s now Tuesday?

[MWHIBBIES]

Have we seen any official confirmation Boyle injury is not as bad given it’s now Tuesday?

No. But I think we'd know if it was serious. He's fine.

[PHeffernan]

Have we seen any official confirmation Boyle injury is not as bad given it’s now Tuesday?

I've been looking but nothing from Hibs and nothing in the media.
Patrick McPartland will get the scoop or Hibs will tell us on Thursday in the pre match presser.

[flash]

https://twitter.com/ScotsmanSport/status/1587492392805990407?t=_mwqxji2a5ajtbxO23e_cQ&s=19

Guess he didn't train yesterday after all.

[PaulSmith]

https://twitter.com/ScotsmanSport/status/1587492392805990407?t=_mwqxji2a5ajtbxO23e_cQ&s=19

Guess he didn't train yesterday after all.

That doesn’t sound good at all.

[JimBHibees]

https://twitter.com/ScotsmanSport/status/1587492392805990407?t=_mwqxji2a5ajtbxO23e_cQ&s=19

Guess he didn't train yesterday after all.

Bit of a shocker if someone has made that up.

[JimBHibees]

I have 31. :greengrin

:not worth

[Col2]

Not good. If it is a “nick to the meniscus” then he could be out for at least 6 weeks if he has to go for op. Turnaround can be quicker if it’s just a little tidy up but if it’s a tear it could be longer.

Terrible news for him if it’s that. Fingers crossed it’s not. Selfishly for us he would miss 3 games before World Cup break but might be back by the time we return to league business.

Again all speculation. Scan will confirm.

I assume the “he was training today” was complete bollocks then.

[Billy Whizz]

Not good. If it is a “nick to the meniscus” then he could be out for at least 6 weeks if he has to go for op. Turnaround can be quicker if it’s just a little tidy up but if it’s a tear it could be longer.

Terrible news for him if it’s that. Fingers crossed it’s not. Selfishly for us he would miss 3 games before World Cup break but might be back by the time we return to league business.

Again all speculation. Scan will confirm.

I assume the “he was training today” was complete bollocks then.
Do we know if it’s the same knee he’s had surgery on before

[JohnM1875]

Absolute sickener for Boyle if he has to miss the World Cup. Really hope he makes it, totally deserved after the last few seasons performances.

If he doesn’t make it then the ref from Saturday should feel awful, his fault the foul on Boyle was made, should have blown for a Hibs free kick in the earlier incident. Dick.

[BlackSheep]

https://twitter.com/ScotsmanSport/status/1587492392805990407?t=_mwqxji2a5ajtbxO23e_cQ&s=19

Guess he didn't train yesterday after all.

He did indeed, a tear in the meniscus doesn’t stop you from training, but an op is needed so it doesn’t get worse. At best it’s keyhole and takes a month to recover… if it’s a proper tear and not ‘a nick’ as described then a bigger op to repair it can mean he is out 2-3 months.

[BlackSheep]

Bit of a shocker if someone has made that up.

Straight from the mouth of a hibs player.

[blackpoolhibs]

Straight from the mouth of a hibs player.

Aye but i have been told he's fine on here?:wink:

[BlackSheep]

Not good. If it is a “nick to the meniscus” then he could be out for at least 6 weeks if he has to go for op. Turnaround can be quicker if it’s just a little tidy up but if it’s a tear it could be longer.

Terrible news for him if it’s that. Fingers crossed it’s not. Selfishly for us he would miss 3 games before World Cup break but might be back by the time we return to league business.

Again all speculation. Scan will confirm.

I assume the “he was training today” was complete bollocks then.

A nick would be the lesser of the possible injuries… a tear would be the worst case scenario.

Players have played with torn meniscus before, it can be painful buts it’s not like tearing or straining a ligament. Meniscus is cartilage, pain injections can be used to manage this type of injury, but there is a risk of furthering the extent of the injury.

[BlackSheep]

Aye but i have been told he's fine on here?:wink:

I’m meaning the news he had trained was straight from the mouth of a player.

Those that may doubt the legitimacy of that information can speculate all they want. Boyle training on Monday to see the extent of the pain he was suffering was inevitable, while we all hoped the news he trained was a sign of no injury it seems that’s not the case this time.

[blackpoolhibs]

I’m meaning the news he had trained was straight from the mouth of a player.

I know, just playing. The manager did say he had banged his leg above the shin, and was hoping it was just an impact injury, fingers crossed he's right. :worried::pray:

[flash]

I’m meaning the news he had trained was straight from the mouth of a player.

He trained on Monday then had his scan Tuesday morning?

[BlackSheep]

He trained on Monday then had his scan Tuesday morning?

Did I mention the level or duration of him training? No.

I asked my mate for any news on Boyle and his reply was simply that he trained.

I take that at face value… my mate doesn’t go into much detail on team matters cos he knows I’m on here all the time. 😂

[flash]

Did I mention the level or duration of him training? No.

I asked my mate for any news on Boyle and his reply was simply that he trained.

I take that at face value… my mate doesn’t go into much detail on team matters cos he knows I’m on here all the time. 😂

Sorry wasn't having a pop just amazed that he was doing anything at all.

[BlackSheep]

Sorry wasn't having a pop just amazed that he was doing anything at all.
No worries…. Hard not be in the defensive on here sometimes!

The meniscus isn’t a huge injury… as I said before players can play on with small injuries like this. A twisted knee is worse.

I tore my ACL and continued being active, albeit uncomfortably, for a couple months before I got a scan… there’s definitely a spectrum of pain for these things.

[ancient hibee]

Absolute sickener for Boyle if he has to miss the World Cup. Really hope he makes it, totally deserved after the last few seasons performances.

If he doesn’t make it then the ref from Saturday should feel awful, his fault the foul on Boyle was made, should have blown for a Hibs free kick in the earlier incident. Dick.

According to the press it was a collision with Kenneh that caused the injury.

[Iain G]

According to the press it was a collision with Kenneh that caused the injury.

Oh my god! They blamed Kenneh! You b@*****s!

[Eyrie]

Oh my god! They blamed Kenneh! You b@*****s!

:not worth

[Hibbyradge]

Oh my god! They blamed Kenneh! You b@*****s!

:tee hee:

[basehibby]

Everything crossed for Boyle that he makes the WC. He can take as many games off as he needs to for me - just heal and heal good and let us see you at that WC Boyler!

[Stevie Reid]

Is this further info since yesterday?

https://www.newschainonline.com/sport/mens-sport/football/hibernians-martin-boyle-seeing-specialist-over-leg-injury-ahead-of-world-cup-301868

Was published less than an hour ago. Don’t know how reputable this site is.

[DIXIHIBS]

Is this further info since yesterday?

https://www.newschainonline.com/sport/mens-sport/football/hibernians-martin-boyle-seeing-specialist-over-leg-injury-ahead-of-world-cup-301868

Was published less than an hour ago. Don’t know how reputable this site is.

Pretty much exactly what has just been reported on STV news. Still waiting results but fairly hopeful.

[Donegal Hibby]

Story on Boyle
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/martin-boyle-rated-50-50-for-world-cup-as-hibs-and-australia-sweat-over-injury-prognosis-3903161

[Forza Fred]

Oh my god! They blamed Kenneh! You b@*****s!

Nobody’s ‘blaming’ anybody.

It was Lee Johnstone who said the contact was with Kenneh.

[jacomo]

Nobody’s ‘blaming’ anybody.

It was Lee Johnstone who said the contact was with Kenneh.


I love a good whoosh.

[Sir David Gray]

Nobody’s ‘blaming’ anybody.

It was Lee Johnstone who said the contact was with Kenneh.

:tee hee:

[Iain G]

I love a good whoosh.

🤷🤷🤷😁

[Big_Franck]

Nobody’s ‘blaming’ anybody.

It was Lee Johnstone who said the contact was with Kenneh.

It was a South Park reference 😁

[Bristolhibby]

Another farce having the World Cup slap bang in the middle of the season. Players have it hanging over them like an albatross.

At least in the summer there’s an actual break between leagues finishing and WC starting. Also, there’s a good chunk of teams that are out of the running for anything come April / May time. Can hardly blame the players then switching to WC.

Here they are straight from League, to a WC, then straight back to league business. Madness.

Plus no beer garden drinking watching the games.

Grrrrr.

J

[Diclonius]

Oh my god! They blamed Kenneh! You b@*****s!

That'll be post of the year, everyone go home.

[Broken Gnome]

He's fine to be picked for the World Cup apparently, playing through pain at the very worst.

[B.H.F.C]

He's fine to be picked for the World Cup apparently, playing through pain at the very worst.

That’s good for him.

Concern, selfishly, would be that he goes away and plays through it, comes back and needs it sorted and ends up missing a period of time for us. There’s no way anyone is going to deprive him of the opportunity to play at a World Cup though.

[Forza Fred]

It was a South Park reference 😁

Too Auld to watch cartoon shows😉

[Forza Fred]

That’s good for him.

Concern, selfishly, would be that he goes away and plays through it, comes back and needs it sorted and ends up missing a period of time for us. There’s no way anyone is going to deprive him of the opportunity to play at a World Cup though.

Yep great news.

He’s obviously going to have to have a bit of a rest before resuming, so not expecting to see him in a Hibs strip until he comes back with the World Cup😂

[Hibbyradge]

He's fine to be picked for the World Cup apparently, playing through pain at the very worst.

He won't be playing if he's injured, whether he can cope with the pain or not. Hibs, and I assume, the insurance companies, won't allow it.

He may have been picked but he can easily be replaced before the WC starts.

[MWHIBBIES]

He won't be playing if he's injured, whether he can cope with the pain or not. Hibs, and I assume, the insurance companies, won't allow it.

He may have been picked but he can easily be replaced before the WC starts.

Players play through injury for years with injections and rest.

[Billy Whizz]

Players play through injury for years with injections and rest.

And then using walking sticks in their 40’s

[Hibbyradge]

Players play through injury for years with injections and rest.

They do, but that depends on the type of injury. They usually do it for their clubs who pay them, but if Boyle is too injured to play for Hibs, he won't play for Australia.

[Since452]

With all due respect to Australia, i'm not really interested in them. When is he available to play for us?

[G15 Hibs]

With all due respect to Australia, i'm not really interested in them. When is he available to play for us?

I normally have this attitude when Hibs players go on international duty, and I'm sure I will have again with Martin Boyle and other games he'll play for Australia in the future. But given everything he's given to Hibs, on and off the pitch, and the fact that he seems to be a really sound guy, on this occasion I'd be sick for him on a personal basis if he missed the chance to play at a World Cup.

[BlackSheep]

The scale in which a nick to the meniscus is measured before it becomes what is considered a debilitating injury is what’s needing answered right now. I think folk are reading ‘he can play on with injections’ and thinking about these exaggerated scenarios that could leave him with a lifetime of problems post football…

In reality as long as said ‘nick’ is not in a place that causes direct pain due to catching on other ligaments, muscles or bone internally then Boyle can and I am sure will play, probably not for us until after the World Cup as a precaution, but defo for Oz.

Pain management is a big part of being a professional athlete… we are not talking about performance enhancing drugs or numbing the pain to allow Boyle to play, the effect of this kind of injury is more often seen post match… like us old farts going for a long walk and feeling it the next day!! 😂

[BlackSheep]

And as if my timing was bang on, I’ve just been sent this…

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martin-boyles-world-cup-dream-28397240?fbclid=IwAR0q7ut2Yqd2DJQogK24knzu_4Ycq2gf 1U7CDsKh1omUYb2b9cmI2XQBqnQ

[Hibbyradge]

And as if my timing was bang on, I’ve just been sent this…

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martin-boyles-world-cup-dream-28397240?fbclid=IwAR0q7ut2Yqd2DJQogK24knzu_4Ycq2gf 1U7CDsKh1omUYb2b9cmI2XQBqnQ

Excellent.

Thanks for that.

What do you think he'll have to "play through the pain barrier" means? Injections?

Will it affect his performance?

[KeithTheHibby]

Another farce having the World Cup slap bang in the middle of the season. Players have it hanging over them like an albatross.

At least in the summer there’s an actual break between leagues finishing and WC starting. Also, there’s a good chunk of teams that are out of the running for anything come April / May time. Can hardly blame the players then switching to WC.

Here they are straight from League, to a WC, then straight back to league business. Madness.

Plus no beer garden drinking watching the games.

Grrrrr.

J

Agreed. It was a total nonsense to hold it in Qatar never mind in the middle of a season.
We are beginning to see the harsh reality of the situation now.
An incredible amount of games being crammed in before it starts. Was hearing on the radio this morning that the CL group games normally run into December yet here we are, done and dusted start of November.

[Hibees1973]

I normally have this attitude when Hibs players go on international duty, and I'm sure I will have again with Martin Boyle and other games he'll play for Australia in the future. But given everything he's given to Hibs, on and off the pitch, and the fact that he seems to be a really sound guy, on this occasion I'd be sick for him on a personal basis if he missed the chance to play at a World Cup.

Obviously we are not privy to exactly what is going on. I guess if Boyle doesn't appear at any point tomorrow night it will have become a bit clearer.

I agree with the previous poster. I don't really care about Australia. We pay his wages.

On what has been reported so far I don't expect Boyle to play tomorrow night or Tuesday against Ross County.

I would be seriously cheesed off if Boyle does go to the World Cup carrying an injury, plays, and comes back even worse. This has happened plenty of times before with players on International duty.

Must look at the long term view with injuries and the most important thing for us is after the World Cup Boyle is fully fit and helps us to achieve a top 4 place and Europe.

[ancient hibee]

Agreed. It was a total nonsense to hold it in Qatar never mind in the middle of a season.
We are beginning to see the harsh reality of the situation now.
An incredible amount of games being crammed in before it starts. Was hearing on the radio this morning that the CL group games normally run into December yet here we are, done and dusted start of November.

It's the large brown envelope world cup.

[Col2]

Do we think we will play him before the World Cup? I know this should not be a question (if he is fit he is fit) but I wonder if we will use him sparingly over next 3 games. World Cup is huge for him.

[Hibbyradge]

Do we think we will play him before the World Cup? I know this should not be a question (if he is fit he is fit) but I wonder if we will use him sparingly over next 3 games. World Cup is huge for him.

Our next 3 games are huge for us.

If he's fit, and committed, he should play. If he's injured or LJ thinks he's saving himself for the WC, he should be dropped.

He doesn't get favours.

[CapitalGreen]

Obviously we are not privy to exactly what is going on. I guess if Boyle doesn't appear at any point tomorrow night it will have become a bit clearer.

I agree with the previous poster. I don't really care about Australia. We pay his wages.

On what has been reported so far I don't expect Boyle to play tomorrow night or Tuesday against Ross County.

I would be seriously cheesed off if Boyle does go to the World Cup carrying an injury, plays, and comes back even worse. This has happened plenty of times before with players on International duty.

Must look at the long term view with injuries and the most important thing for us is after the World Cup Boyle is fully fit and helps us to achieve a top 4 place and Europe.

We’ll get about $250,000 for Boyle going to the World Cup, more if Australia progress from their group.

[GreenPJ]

Do we think we will play him before the World Cup? I know this should not be a question (if he is fit he is fit) but I wonder if we will use him sparingly over next 3 games. World Cup is huge for him.

No don't expect him to play

[Iain G]

That'll be post of the year, everyone go home.

🙏🤣😁

[Blaster]

Do we think we will play him before the World Cup? I know this should not be a question (if he is fit he is fit) but I wonder if we will use him sparingly over next 3 games. World Cup is huge for him.

I’d have him on the bench Friday, start against Ross County and unsure about the dodgy Killie pitch

[Hibernian Verse]

Obviously we are not privy to exactly what is going on. I guess if Boyle doesn't appear at any point tomorrow night it will have become a bit clearer.

I agree with the previous poster. I don't really care about Australia. We pay his wages.

On what has been reported so far I don't expect Boyle to play tomorrow night or Tuesday against Ross County.

I would be seriously cheesed off if Boyle does go to the World Cup carrying an injury, plays, and comes back even worse. This has happened plenty of times before with players on International duty.

Must look at the long term view with injuries and the most important thing for us is after the World Cup Boyle is fully fit and helps us to achieve a top 4 place and Europe.

Off topic but did you end up going to the game on Saturday? Or did you stay away because Henderson was playing?

[basehibby]

I’d have him on the bench Friday, start against Ross County and unsure about the dodgy Killie pitch

That the specialist thinks it's not TOO serious does not mean Martin won't need a rest to allow healing. Therefore I doubt very much we'll see Boyle take part in Fridays match.

[Springbank]

There's something in this situation about Good Faith too I reckon (though I imagine not all will agree)

Hibs and the Boyle family have got an absolutely tremendous relationship

Martin's come back to ER and helped us already with some big moments (last minute v Hearts, most obviously)

Now, he's 2 weeks away from the kind of experience that all of us could only dream of

Imagine lining up in the opening game of your World Cup, in the tunnel, alongside Mbappe, with the eyes of the world on the game.

Personally, I would find it hard to come to terms if I was to miss that

So, it may be controversial, but I would be of the view that we give Martin Boyle the rest of November off, don't risk injury

In return, he can provide us with a bucketload of goals and assists in the remaining derbies this season as a thank you.

DEAL

[Blaster]

That the specialist thinks it's not TOO serious does not mean Martin won't need a rest to allow healing. Therefore I doubt very much we'll see Boyle take part in Fridays match.

I agree, my reply was on the basis that he was allowed to play

[MWHIBBIES]

And then using walking sticks in their 40’s

Yes, I agree it's ridiculous but it's not my choice. It's Martin's.

[BlackSheep]

Excellent.

Thanks for that.

What do you think he'll have to "play through the pain barrier" means? Injections?

Will it affect his performance?

Managed properly it may be more of a case of pain killers to aid his recovery after the matches.... but this in turn can mask how bad the injury can be, a lot of the diagnosis is in how his knee recovers after exertion. He may or may not use a form of anaesthetic painkiller before matches if he feels like he is sore while playing... they will make that decision during training and warmups.

Like i have stated before meniscus is an impact cartilage which cushions his knee joint when twisting and running, a little nick in it should affect him very much.

[DIXIHIBS]

There's something in this situation about Good Faith too I reckon (though I imagine not all will agree)

Hibs and the Boyle family have got an absolutely tremendous relationship

Martin's come back to ER and helped us already with some big moments (last minute v Hearts, most obviously)

Now, he's 2 weeks away from the kind of experience that all of us could only dream of

Imagine lining up in the opening game of your World Cup, in the tunnel, alongside Mbappe, with the eyes of the world on the game.

Personally, I would find it hard to come to terms if I was to miss that

So, it may be controversial, but I would be of the view that we give Martin Boyle the rest of November off, don't risk injury

In return, he can provide us with a bucketload of goals and assists in the remaining derbies this season as a thank you.

DEAL

Agree with this. Its probably his only chance to play at a world cup. For the sake of a couple of games, let him sit them out and help his recovery. We all want the best for hibs but martin has been great for hibs so why not help the guy out. If he wants to play the next few games fine but give him the choice.

[BlackSheep]

Yes, I agree it's ridiculous but it's not my choice. It's Martin's.

This kind of injury is certainly not one that could result in walking aids at 40.

A bit of a stiff knee as an old man yes, sore when its cold in his later years indeed, but nothing more than what most of us will end up with anyway.

Today's news just confirms that its not more than a scare.

[MWHIBBIES]

Agree with this. Its probably his only chance to play at a world cup. For the sake of a couple of games, let him sit them out and help his recovery. We all want the best for hibs but martin has been great for hibs so why not help the guy out. If he wants to play the next few games fine but give him the choice.

We helped him out, letting him go in the middle of the season for a tax free pay day. We then further helped him out by bringing him back when it went tits up. We brought him in from the bench at Dundee. Hibs have done a lot for Martin, an awful lot. If we want him to play and he's fit, he should be playing.

[shetlandhibee]

This kind of injury is certainly not one that could result in walking aids at 40.

A bit of a stiff knee as an old man yes, sore when its cold in his later years indeed, but nothing more than what most of us will end up with anyway.

Today's news just confirms that its not more than a scare. agree with this my son had this injury in july 2/3 weeks rest he was(Is)brand new :agree:

[G15 Hibs]

We helped him out, letting him go in the middle of the season for a tax free pay day. We then further helped him out by bringing him back when it went tits up. We brought him in from the bench at Dundee. Hibs have done a lot for Martin, an awful lot. If we want him to play and he's fit, he should be playing.

He's a person, not a commodity or a drone. You'd have to be pretty cold-hearted to potentially deny a guy who seems to be a decent sort and who's worked hard to get where he is, a chance to go to the World Cup. If that means inconveniencing Hibs for a couple of games then this time I'm ok with it. Its nice to be human.

[MWHIBBIES]

He's a person, not a commodity or a drone. You'd have to be pretty cold-hearted to potentially deny a guy who seems to be a decent sort and who's worked hard to get where he is, a chance to go to the World Cup. If that means inconveniencing Hibs for a couple of games then this time I'm ok with it. Its nice to be human.

We're not risking anything, he wont play if hes not fit. If he is, he should play. We're not sitting out a fit player so he maybe possibly doesn't get injured. Its no different from any other injury.

[Hibbyradge]

He's a person, not a commodity or a drone. You'd have to be pretty cold-hearted to potentially deny a guy who seems to be a decent sort and who's worked hard to get where he is, a chance to go to the World Cup. If that means inconveniencing Hibs for a couple of games then this time I'm ok with it. Its nice to be human.

What if Scotland had qualified? Would you want Hibs to allow Porto to miss games too?

[WeeRussell]

He's a person, not a commodity or a drone. You'd have to be pretty cold-hearted to potentially deny a guy who seems to be a decent sort and who's worked hard to get where he is, a chance to go to the World Cup. If that means inconveniencing Hibs for a couple of games then this time I'm ok with it. Its nice to be human.

How many clubs do you think are making squad selections based on players who might be featuring at the World Cup in a few weeks?

If he’s carrying a knock and it’s in everyone’s interest for him to be rested tomorrow, fair enough. But no danger is he being wrapped up in cotton wool for Australia, on the off chance he might get an injury before the World Cup.

[WeAreHibs]

There's something in this situation about Good Faith too I reckon (though I imagine not all will agree)

Hibs and the Boyle family have got an absolutely tremendous relationship

Martin's come back to ER and helped us already with some big moments (last minute v Hearts, most obviously)

Now, he's 2 weeks away from the kind of experience that all of us could only dream of

Imagine lining up in the opening game of your World Cup, in the tunnel, alongside Mbappe, with the eyes of the world on the game.

Personally, I would find it hard to come to terms if I was to miss that

So, it may be controversial, but I would be of the view that we give Martin Boyle the rest of November off, don't risk injury

In return, he can provide us with a bucketload of goals and assists in the remaining derbies this season as a thank you.

DEAL

Deal!!

[G15 Hibs]

How many clubs do you think are making squad selections based on players who might be featuring at the World Cup in a few weeks?

If he’s carrying a knock and it’s in everyone’s interest for him to be rested tomorrow, fair enough. But no danger is he being wrapped up in cotton wool for Australia, on the off chance he might get an injury before the World Cup.

Well, I wouldn't imagine this conversation would be taking place at all if he hadn't picked up a knock. But he did, and it is.

[WeeRussell]

Well, I wouldn't imagine this conversation would be taking place at all if he hadn't picked up a knock. But he did, and it is.

Well pointed out. He did pick one up.

The question is if he’s still carrying it tomorrow to the extent that it prevents him from playing for Hibs.

[Hibbyradge]

The idea that Hibs should field a weakened team, and risk losing league points and potentially a European qualification place, because a player might get hurt before the world cup is ridiculous.

It would be a daft enough suggestion if Scotland had qualified and it was a Scottish internationalist, but it's Australia, FFS.

If Boyle is fit, he plays

[A Hi-Bee]

Good luck to Martin, Hibs are not about to do anything that is not in both their interests, ffs I remember a real brave player called Alan McGraw, when he came hobbling back onto the pitch at tiny, semi final v Dundee, he managed to score the winner in the dying mins of the game.
Feed McGraw was the call, unfortunately he was one who ended up almost crippled hobbling around on sticks. It was a different game then but the players best interests should come first every time.

:flag::flag::flag:

[WeeRussell]

The idea that Hibs should field a weakened team, and risk losing league points and potentially a European qualification place, because a player might get hurt before the world cup is ridiculous.

It would be a daft enough suggestion if Scotland had qualified and it was a Scottish internationalist, but it's Australia, FFS.

If Boyle is fit, he plays

Nutshell

[scoopyboy]

I think Lee Johnson and Martin Boyle need to sit down and have a conversation about it now the situation has become clearer.

If he was to miss the World Cup it would devastate him and his contribution to us for a while might be affected.

If he plays and isn't up for it then I don't see the point.

My gut feeling is he won't play for Hibs until after the World Cup.

[ancient hibee]

Good luck to Martin, Hibs are not about to do anything that is not in both their interests, ffs I remember a real brave player called Alan McGraw, when he came hobbling back onto the pitch at tiny, semi final v Dundee, he managed to score the winner in the dying mins of the game.
Feed McGraw was the call, unfortunately he was one who ended up almost crippled hobbling around on sticks. It was a different game then but the players best interests should come first every time.

:flag::flag::flag:

Yes. I remember he smashed his leg again in scoring when he collided with the post. As you say he ended up badly crippled . Sticks needed for many years.

[B.H.F.C]

I think Lee Johnson and Martin Boyle need to sit down and have a conversation about it now the situation has become clearer.

If he was to miss the World Cup it would devastate him and his contribution to us for a while might be affected.

If he plays and isn't up for it then I don't see the point.

My gut feeling is he won't play for Hibs until after the World Cup.

I agree, don’t think we’ll see him in the next three games. Although it’s three games it’s only a week that he’ll miss and I think it’ll be easy enough to say that his knee is still settling or whatever.

I don’t think Boyle would intentionally go out and give anything less than he normally does but playing in the World Cup will be the biggest thing he does in his career and something a very small number of football players ever get to do. There is no way it’s not going to be on his mind, even sub consciously and especially after what happened at the weekend.

[Donegal Hibby]

I agree, don’t think we’ll see him in the next three games. Although it’s three games it’s only a week that he’ll miss and I think it’ll be easy enough to say that his knee is still settling or whatever.

I don’t think Boyle would intentionally go out and give anything less than he normally does but playing in the World Cup will be the biggest thing he does in his career and something a very small number of football players ever get to do. There is no way it’s not going to be on his mind, even sub consciously and especially after what happened at the weekend.
Boyles 50/50 chance of making it for Aberdeen game Lee Johnson has stated

[Hibees1973]

Off topic but did you end up going to the game on Saturday? Or did you stay away because Henderson was playing?

I went. Apologies, just me having a strop pre-match when I noticed Henderson was in the team after the last few performances he had.

Must say we were not bad on Saturday. Thought Henderson was poor yet again. My mate had to scrape me off the floor after he scored.

[Forza Fred]

Most modern, understanding employers cut their employees a bit of slack when unusual circumstances arise.

I think Hibs will be understanding and nurse him along prior to the World Cup, assuming he is selected that is.


Inevitable we will get ‘hard liners’, but overplaying him prior to the World Cup and ensuring he misses it, would to me suggest we would have one pretty pissed off player who probably wouldn’t be very happy, to say the least.


Personally, I’m not sure he will be selected in the squad when it is announced on Tuesday.

Arnie is on record as saying that those selected need to be at the top of their game and fitter than they have ever been.

He will know the risks of taking a not fully fit player at the expense of a fit one….and as much as I desperately want to see Martin play at the World Cup…..no player is irreplaceable.

A fit Martin Boyle would definitely be in the squad, but there are a couple of other players in the right wing position that the media has been calling for inclusion in the squad, and if he doesn’t include one of them and Martin limps off in the first game against France, then Arnie will get crucified.


Let’s see if he’s in the 26 named on Tuesday, before we get too excited.

[flash]

Most modern, understanding employers cut their employees a bit of slack when unusual circumstances arise.

I think Hibs will be understanding and nurse him along prior to the World Cup, assuming he is selected that is.


Inevitable we will get ‘hard liners’, but overplaying him prior to the World Cup and ensuring he misses it, would to me suggest we would have one pretty pissed off player who probably wouldn’t be very happy, to say the least.


Personally, I’m not sure he will be selected in the squad when it is announced on Tuesday.

Arnie is on record as saying that those selected need to be at the top of their game and fitter than they have ever been.

He will know the risks of taking a not fully fit player at the expense of a fit one….and as much as I desperately want to see Martin play at the World Cup…..no player is irreplaceable.

A fit Martin Boyle would definitely be in the squad, but there are a couple of other players in the right wing position that the media has been calling for inclusion in the squad, and if he doesn’t include one of them and Martin limps off in the first game against France, then Arnie will get crucified.


Let’s see if he’s in the 26 named on Tuesday, before we get too excited.
You clearly know better than me but, regardless of that, there's no danger he will miss out. He starts in every game of any importance for Australia.

[Forza Fred]

You clearly know better than me but, regardless of that, there's no danger he will miss out. He starts in every game of any importance for Australia.

He does when he’s fit.

I’m not sure what Arnie will do if there are serious concerns about his fitness.

We’ll find out at 4pm Sydney time on Tuesday.

[Billy Whizz]

He does when he’s fit.

I’m not sure what Arnie will do if there are serious concerns about his fitness.

We’ll find out at 4pm Sydney time on Tuesday.

I’m only caring if he’s in the team, when it gets announced around 6.30pm or so tonight

[Mick O'Rourke]

Good luck to Martin, Hibs are not about to do anything that is not in both their interests, ffs I remember a real brave player called Alan McGraw, when he came hobbling back onto the pitch at tiny, semi final v Dundee, he managed to score the winner in the dying mins of the game.
Feed McGraw was the call, unfortunately he was one who ended up almost crippled hobbling around on sticks. It was a different game then but the players best interests should come first every time.

:flag::flag::flag:

Yes he was in the dressing room getting his knee pumped with cortisone jabs.
A common occurance back then. Jimmy O' has had knee operations over the years.
As would have many players from that era.
The damage to the brain from heading a ball for years has been highlighted and rightly so.

The use (or misuse) of painkilling injections back when McGraw was playing was ,looking back, a disgrace.
It was rife in sport
This from article in 2007

Allan McGraw, one of the great legends of Scottish football, had 25 injections in his knees in one season alone in the 1960s.
It never occurred to him at the time why his club took him to a different doctor in Glasgow for each one but now that he walks with a stick it is obvious.
No doctor would have permitted one man to have so many cortisone jabs.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/to-inject-or-not-to-inject-that-is-the-question-for-gerrard-and-mcclaren-401483.html

[A Hi-Bee]

Yes he was in the dressing room getting his knee pumped with cortisone jabs.
A common occurance back then. Jimmy O' has had knee operations over the years.
As would have many players from that era.
The damage to the brain from heading a ball for years has been highlighted and rightly so.

The use (or misuse) of painkilling injections back when McGraw was playing was ,looking back, a disgrace.
It was rife in sport
This from article in 2007

Allan McGraw, one of the great legends of Scottish football, had 25 injections in his knees in one season alone in the 1960s.
It never occurred to him at the time why his club took him to a different doctor in Glasgow for each one but now that he walks with a stick it is obvious.
No doctor would have permitted one man to have so many cortisone jabs.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/to-inject-or-not-to-inject-that-is-the-question-for-gerrard-and-mcclaren-401483.html




Mick, would I be right in remembering that Hibs at the time had one of the top consultant surgeons in Scotland on the board as well, Sir someone or other may have been John Bruce, old brain cells no warmed up yet.

[Hibbyradge]

Most modern, understanding employers cut their employees a bit of slack when unusual circumstances arise.

I think Hibs will be understanding and nurse him along prior to the World Cup, assuming he is selected that is.


Inevitable we will get ‘hard liners’, but overplaying him prior to the World Cup and ensuring he misses it, would to me suggest we would have one pretty pissed off player who probably wouldn’t be very happy, to say the least.


Personally, I’m not sure he will be selected in the squad when it is announced on Tuesday.

Arnie is on record as saying that those selected need to be at the top of their game and fitter than they have ever been.

He will know the risks of taking a not fully fit player at the expense of a fit one….and as much as I desperately want to see Martin play at the World Cup…..no player is irreplaceable.

A fit Martin Boyle would definitely be in the squad, but there are a couple of other players in the right wing position that the media has been calling for inclusion in the squad, and if he doesn’t include one of them and Martin limps off in the first game against France, then Arnie will get crucified.


Let’s see if he’s in the 26 named on Tuesday, before we get too excited.

I'm not saying Hibs shouldn't help Martin when it's possible to do so, but not at the expense of Hibs.

Once we're 2 or 3 up in a game, he can be rested, but if the game is tight, there's no chance we should weaken our team so he can be protected.

If we rested him for the WC, and we dropped points, the calls for Johnson's head would be loud and furious. It would be madness.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Mick, would I be right in remembering that Hibs at the time had one of the top consultant surgeons in Scotland on the board as well, Sir someone or other may have been John Bruce, old brain cells no warmed up yet.

Yes it was Sir John Bruce,Surgeon.
I forgot his name in a previous thread !
He was involved with Hibs for many years.
And of course ,as you say, a director.

Puzzles me though.
I would not like to think he was administering cortisone to players at half time in games.
Possibly there would be a GP/ doctor on hand at games.
Would only doctors do this back then ?

Some chat on him in this thread remembering the legendary Tam McNiven.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?356973-Tam-Mcniven-R-I-P/page2

[Sioux]

I'm not saying Hibs shouldn't help Martin when it's possible to do so, but not at the expense of Hibs.

Once we're 2 or 3 up in a game, he can be rested, but if the game is tight, there's no chance we should weaken our team so he can be protected.

If we rested him for the WC, and we dropped points, the calls for Johnson's head would be loud and furious. It would be madness.

I doubt it is a question of being 'rested'. If he's not 100% he shouldn't play tonight.

[tamig]

He does when he’s fit.

I’m not sure what Arnie will do if there are serious concerns about his fitness.

We’ll find out at 4pm Sydney time on Tuesday.

Are there really serious concerns about his fitness though? It seems like he is 50/50 for tonight. He is on the mend. The only serious concerns about his fitness would be if he is involved in any of the remaining games and picks up another knock.

[Hibbyradge]

I doubt it is a question of being 'rested'. If he's not 100% he shouldn't play tonight.

Yes, I agree.

That's not what Forza was talking about though. I was replying to his point.

[greenginger]

Yes it was Sir John Bruce,Surgeon.
I forgot his name in a previous thread !
He was involved with Hibs for many years.
And of course ,as you say, a director.

Puzzles me though.
I would not like to think he was administering cortisone to players at half time in games.
Possibly there would be a GP/ doctor on hand at games.
Would only doctors do this back then ?

Some chat on him in this thread remembering the legendary Tam McNiven.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?356973-Tam-Mcniven-R-I-P/page2


Sir John Bruce was also the Queen’s gynaecologist in Scotland :agree:

Jimmy Ledingham was the club doctor in the 70’s and 80’s. A great sports medicine advocate. Did a lot of work with Scottish Athletics at Meadowbank and the pro sprinter George McNeill used to do training in his garage.

He was my GP too .

[Mick O'Rourke]

Sir John Bruce was also the Queen’s gynaecologist in Scotland :agree:

Jimmy Ledingham was the club doctor in the 70’s and 80’s. A great sports medicine advocate. Did a lot of work with Scottish Athletics at Meadowbank and the pro sprinter George McNeill used to do training in his garage.

He was my GP too .

Great info there GG

"Curator of the Royal Phannie" added to his knighthood title,then !?

I do remember George at Hibs .Fastest man in the world
Barred from Olympic selection,cos he had raced for money. Changed days eh !?
Although i irc Bobby Prentice of Hearts beat him in the annual New Year Powderhall sprint one time !!

We know all about the Famous Five
Who would be the Fastest Five?
McNeill, Boyle, Sproule ,Duncan ....who else ?:hmmm:

[greenginger]

Great info there GG

"Curator of the Royal Phannie" added to his knighthood title,then !?

I do remember George at Hibs .Fastest man in the world
Barred from Olympic selection,cos he had raced for money. Changed days eh !?
Although i irc Bobby Prentice of Hearts beat him in the annual New Year Powderhall sprint one time !!



We know all about the Famous Five
Who would be the Fastest Five?
McNeill, Boyle, Sproule ,Duncan .who else ?

The Powderhall Sprint was handicapped.

The Jambo handicappers probably gave Prentice 50 yards start :greengrin.

[Ringothedog]

Sir John Bruce was also the Queen’s gynaecologist in Scotland :agree:

Jimmy Ledingham was the club doctor in the 70’s and 80’s. A great sports medicine advocate. Did a lot of work with Scottish Athletics at Meadowbank and the pro sprinter George McNeill used to do training in his garage.

He was my GP too .

He was my GP as well and delivered me when I was born in Magdalene Place

[silverhibee]

I’m only caring if he’s in the team, when it gets announced around 6.30pm or so tonight

Someone must know if he travelled up yesterday or this morning, I doubt a long bus journey would be any good for him if he is not going to make the squad tonight,

[leith lynx]

Great info there GG

"Curator of the Royal Phannie" added to his knighthood title,then !?

I do remember George at Hibs .Fastest man in the world
Barred from Olympic selection,cos he had raced for money. Changed days eh !?
Although i irc Bobby Prentice of Hearts beat him in the annual New Year Powderhall sprint one time !!

We know all about the Famous Five
Who would be the Fastest Five?
McNeill, Boyle, Sproule ,Duncan ....who else ?:hmmm:
Alan O'Brien? (unfortunately not a good player!) Didier Agathe?

[Mick O'Rourke]

He was my GP as well and delivered me when I was born in Magdalene Place

Just shows us how a simple thread about a player can generate such information and recall
Great connection there for you and gg .

However, it was Dr Liam Henderson who delivered twins for Hibernian at Hampden ,May 2016

New tv show .....Call (Liam) the Midwife !!

Doctor, i am in trouble :greengrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03DKl3lOY4k

[Mick O'Rourke]

Alan O'Brien? (unfortunately not a good player!) Didier Agathe?


Both could shift right enough.
Pity Agathe didnt stay a bit longer !

[scoopyboy]

I doubt it is a question of being 'rested'. If he's not 100% he shouldn't play tonight.

I don't think he will play tonight, there's no way he's 100% fit and Aberdeen players wouldn't think twice about thumping him.

[JimBHibees]

I don't think he will play tonight, there's no way he's 100% fit and Aberdeen players wouldn't think twice about thumping him.

Tend to agree

[Since452]

Actually thought we were better after Boyle went off last week. That's not a criticism of him at all but it was almost as if everyone else pulled their socks up.

[Col2]

I don't think he will play tonight, there's no way he's 100% fit and Aberdeen players wouldn't think twice about thumping him.

That’s what I am thinking. I could see him involved in midweek even on the bench but also rested given plastic pitch a week on Saturday.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

That’s what I am thinking. I could see him involved in midweek even on the bench but also rested given plastic pitch a week on Saturday.

Luke Shanley said on Sky Sports News he was in Manchester seeing a specialist about an hour ago. Don't think we will be seeing him, in a Hibs top at least, for a while.

[Bristolhibby]

We're not risking anything, he wont play if hes not fit. If he is, he should play. We're not sitting out a fit player so he maybe possibly doesn't get injured. Its no different from any other injury.

Also, he might actually need a couple of weeks off for him to be right as rain.

We don’t know. He might break his leg at the WC, he might come through unscathed and blow up his ACL vs Celtic.

Personally he’s earned a shot at the WC. Still annoyed that he isn’t playing for Scotland mind.

J

[1875Sean]

LJ said he might have one game before the World Cup so a few weeks out, hopefully back for Xmas eve or the Celtic game

[Hibbyradge]

LJ said he might have one game before the World Cup so a few weeks out, hopefully back for Xmas eve or the Celtic game

He's 50/50 for Tuesday, but definitely won't play at Killie because of the pitch.

[Forza Fred]

Hibs have received notification that he will be named in the WC squad to be named at 4pm Sydney time today.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think we can safely say that he's certainly not fine now he's missed the last game, and he wont play for us in the next 2.

[JimBHibees]

I think we can safely say that he's certainly not fine now he's missed the last game, and he wont play for us in the next 2.

LJ was suggesting his visit to specialist went as well as could be expected and that he would be assessed by Aussie medical team. Personally think it is touch and go for world cup.

[blackpoolhibs]

LJ was suggesting his visit to specialist went as well as could be expected and that he would be assessed by Aussie medical team. Personally think it is touch and go for world cup.

I'm obviously hopeing he is fine, but like you i'm concerned about him for the world cup and beyond. :worried:

[Unseen work]

I think Hibs are just being really good by him, I think he’s fit and could play the next couple of games and behind however given he had a slight knock/twist Hibs are allowing him time off so he makes the World Cup.

People will have differing views as we pay his wages etc but I agree with them, this is a once in a lifetime oppertunity for Boyle and something he wouldn’t have thought was possible.

If the World Cup was as normal in the summer I think he’d play, but given one small injury for a couple of weeks can make you miss it I think no one is taking any chances

[Hibernian Verse]

I think Hibs are just being really good by him, I think he’s fit and could play the next couple of games and behind however given he had a slight knock/twist Hibs are allowing him time off so he makes the World Cup.

People will have differing views as we pay his wages etc but I agree with them, this is a once in a lifetime oppertunity for Boyle and something he wouldn’t have thought was possible.

If the World Cup was as normal in the summer I think he’d play, but given one small injury for a couple of weeks can make you miss it I think no one is taking any chances

Personally can't wait to see him playing at the World Cup and we should have enough to beat RC & Killie anyway.

[Unseen work]

Personally can't wait to see him playing at the World Cup and we should have enough to beat RC & Killie anyway.

Agreed, and if we don’t it’s a good signal from Johnson to the board we need a bit more in the final third 😅