Rocky

[Cookiehibs]

I know after I send this post there may be many people who disagree however, I had to get this out my system.

I have referenced this before on one of my past posts and I feel Rocky is a major issue for a couple of reasons.

First of all I would like to highlight that my comments on Rocky’s ability and performances were shot down which I can accept as everyone is free to their own opinions. I will admit that since then he has had better games.

1. This point is more aimed at the management team bringing Rocky back into a settled back line. Speaking from experience having played in a back line at a decent level, when you introduce a player into a settled back line you are always prone to things going wrong. However, the return of Rocky could be due to reasons unforeseen that I am not aware of.

2. I really feel that he has an awkwardness within his play which may make his fellow team mates a little nervous. I have seen him numerous times attempt to challenge for high balls, completely miss timing his jumps which seem to be a regular occurrence, losing his footing and looking quite nervous in general.

This isn’t a personal dig at Rocky as I will support all players putting on that jersey but the club will always come first and it’s just a feeling I have that I had to get out there.

[Since452]

He was my MOTM yesterday. For me he's been a major positive so far this season.

[007]

I know after I send this post there may be many people who disagree however, I had to get this out my system.

I have referenced this before on one of my past posts and I feel Rocky is a major issue for a couple of reasons.

First of all I would like to highlight that my comments on Rocky’s ability and performances were shot down which I can accept as everyone is free to their own opinions. I will admit that since then he has had better games.

1. This point is more aimed at the management team bringing Rocky back into a settled back line. Speaking from experience having played in a back line at a decent level, when you introduce a player into a settled back line you are always prone to things going wrong. However, the return of Rocky could be due to reasons unforeseen that I am not aware of.

2. I really feel that he has an awkwardness within his play which may make his fellow team mates a little nervous. I have seen him numerous times attempt to challenge for high balls, completely miss timing his jumps which seem to be a regular occurrence, losing his footing and looking quite nervous in general.

This isn’t a personal dig at Rocky as I will support all players putting on that jersey but the club will always come first and it’s just a feeling I have that I had to get out there.

Rocky wasn't at fault for either of the St Johnstone goals though, both times it was Porteous's man that scored so what's your explanation for that, in the context of Rocky being brought in?

[IberianHibernian]

He was signed by Norwich then by us last winter and picked for Belgium Under 21 because people rated him highly . Whatever the circumstances behind his return to us in summer , I think most Hibs fans will now be glad he`s back with us and I`d be very surprised if other clubs aren`t watching him . As for changing team to let him back . how long will Hanlon and / or Porto be playng for us ? Surely we need more than 3 good central defenders anyway . I like the way he turns defence into attack quickly - maybe not got good enough players around him to get full benefit of that .

[supermcginn]

I know after I send this post there may be many people who disagree however, I had to get this out my system.

I have referenced this before on one of my past posts and I feel Rocky is a major issue for a couple of reasons.

First of all I would like to highlight that my comments on Rocky’s ability and performances were shot down which I can accept as everyone is free to their own opinions. I will admit that since then he has had better games.

1. This point is more aimed at the management team bringing Rocky back into a settled back line. Speaking from experience having played in a back line at a decent level, when you introduce a player into a settled back line you are always prone to things going wrong. However, the return of Rocky could be due to reasons unforeseen that I am not aware of.

2. I really feel that he has an awkwardness within his play which may make his fellow team mates a little nervous. I have seen him numerous times attempt to challenge for high balls, completely miss timing his jumps which seem to be a regular occurrence, losing his footing and looking quite nervous in general.

This isn’t a personal dig at Rocky as I will support all players putting on that jersey but the club will always come first and it’s just a feeling I have that I had to get out there.
I've never read so much drivel in my life. He's an excellent player with plenty to learn and plenty scope for progression.

[Cookiehibs]

Rocky wasn't at fault for either of the St Johnstone goals though, both times it was Porteous's man that scored so what's your explanation for that, in the context of Rocky being brought in?

I totally agree that Porteous was at fault however, that wasn’t my point. It was more of a generalisation of Rocky’s play. I also agree that Porteous hasn’t been anywhere near his best self but to highlight my point again, do players like Porteous and Hanlon have to adapt their game and end up making errors themselves due to the worry of what Rocky might do or not do?

[WeeRussell]

We shipped 6 goals the weekend before. Rocky came in and played fine yesterday, as he has done in his other games this season.

Can’t see why he would be the thing someone needed to get off their chest after last night.

[Unseen work]

Thought he was really good yesterday.

Defended really well and limited their strikers to very little chances.

He may look awkward at times but I couldn’t criticise his play yesterday on the ball, there was one pass in particular that was fantastic - a massive diagonal pin point pass to Hanlon of all people.

I think his pace, strength and overall power are very good attributes at this level.

I’d hate to see the stick he got if he made the two mistakes Porteous made for the goals.

[Hibbyradge]

This isn’t a personal dig at Rocky

Given that you've named him in the thread title and your post is exclusively about him, I don't know how it could be more personal!

[007]

I totally agree that Porteous was at fault however, that wasn’t my point. It was more of a generalisation of Rocky’s play. I also agree that Porteous hasn’t been anywhere near his best self but to highlight my point again, do players like Porteous and Hanlon have to adapt their game and end up making errors themselves due to the worry of what Rocky might do or not do?
But you said:
"This point is more aimed at the management team bringing Rocky back into a settled back line. Speaking from experience having played in a back line at a decent level, when you introduce a player into a settled back line you are always prone to things going wrong."

Which is why I wanted to know why you thought Rocky being brought in resulted in things going wrong.

[Unseen work]

I totally agree that Porteous was at fault however, that wasn’t my point. It was more of a generalisation of Rocky’s play. I also agree that Porteous hasn’t been anywhere near his best self but to highlight my point again, do players like Porteous and Hanlon have to adapt their game and end up making errors themselves due to the worry of what Rocky might do or not do?

No, they make errors because of their own play and nothing to do with Rocky.

Porteous lost two headers to guys that are about 5 foot 7.

[Lago]

Had a great game yesterday.

[HFC93]

I thought he played well last night and has generally been decent this season.

[Cookiehibs]

🤣 I see everyone disagree’s then. Which is totally fine. Just how I feel and my own opinion. Hopefully my feelings will change soon

[hibsbollah]

Our most consistently good defender this season when available.
Excellent performance yesterday.
This thread is up there with the most nonsensical of all time.

[Callum_62]

Whoever mistakenly signed him should get a promotion [emoji106]

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[B.H.F.C]

Didn’t do anything wrong but we shouldn’t be changing shape to accommodate him.

We had a settled back four doing well, no idea why Johnson had felt the need to muck about with it the last couple of weeks.

[B.H.F.C]

Our most consistently good defender this season when available.
Excellent performance yesterday.
This thread is up there with the most nonsensical of all time.

I think we’re less settled with him playing.

Individually he’s been all right but I think we’re a poorer team with him in it.

[zitelli62]

Having played as a striker come winger at quite a high level I would hate to play against rocky as you know you would get one chance and if you didn't take it he would stroll through the game great player in the middle of a back thre keep him in a back three he will be a major asset to us.

[NAE NOOKIE]

It seems a strange one to start a negative thread about the guy who was probably our man of the match yesterday and a player who has shown the most improvement of any of our new signings, yes I know he had a loan spell here, but he is in effect still a new player.

I agree he isn't the best at getting off the ground, but I have noticed that his jumping has improved to the extent that he is contesting everything and at least making life difficult for his opponent, as he did on Friday night. His covering play is getting better as well, there was a tremendous moment when he raced across to dig Hanlon out of a hole as he was getting burned by a St Johnstone player out wide, chuck in that he is every bit as composed on the ball as Hanlon or Porteous, who the odd brain fart aside don't give it away that often, and I for one have absolutely no problem seeing the guy's name on the team sheet.

[Since452]

He's a young lad who's playing exceptionally well this season. Strange thread.

[Bostonhibby]

Guy's the least of our worries, has improved as he has gone on and I'm happy to have him in the team now.

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[theonlywayisup]

I know after I send this post there may be many people who disagree however, I had to get this out my system.

I have referenced this before on one of my past posts and I feel Rocky is a major issue for a couple of reasons.

First of all I would like to highlight that my comments on Rocky’s ability and performances were shot down which I can accept as everyone is free to their own opinions. I will admit that since then he has had better games.

1. This point is more aimed at the management team bringing Rocky back into a settled back line. Speaking from experience having played in a back line at a decent level, when you introduce a player into a settled back line you are always prone to things going wrong. However, the return of Rocky could be due to reasons unforeseen that I am not aware of.

2. I really feel that he has an awkwardness within his play which may make his fellow team mates a little nervous. I have seen him numerous times attempt to challenge for high balls, completely miss timing his jumps which seem to be a regular occurrence, losing his footing and looking quite nervous in general.

This isn’t a personal dig at Rocky as I will support all players putting on that jersey but the club will always come first and it’s just a feeling I have that I had to get out there.

Apologies Cookiehibs, but this is a bonkers thread. Considering all our problems that we have at the moment, Rocky is the least of our problems. Yes, he's raw and has made mistakes in the past, but it's time to move on. Rocky, a "major issue" - don't agree with that at all.

[Hiber-nation]

Played well although his heading of the ball isn't great and I'm not sure his team mates know what he's going to do next at times. But was still the pick of the back line on Friday.

[wookie70]

MOTM on Friday and has came on leaps and bounds. A proper physical centre half who now looks decent on the ball too. He was brought in because LJ wanted to play 3 at the back. It worked very well until the sending off and LJ bizarrely wanting to play Play Porteous at Right back when he could have went back to teh back 4 we normally have. Porteous still massively at fault for teh goals though but Magennis was the big issue on Friday.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

He's a young lad who's playing exceptionally well this season. Strange thread.

Yup. It’s almost as if… the internet is a strange place.

[Eyrie]

🤣 I see everyone disagree’s then. Which is totally fine. Just how I feel and my own opinion. Hopefully my feelings will change soon

Forget about last season and just judge him on how he is playing this year.

[BILLYHIBS]

Rocky did ok on Friday

One slip second half but he got away with it

Stood beside him post match and the guy is a man mountain and should be more of a physical presence on the park

Can only get better with expected improvement

Rocky is the least of our worries at the moment

Was my MOM

[Brightside]

I think a back 3 is ideal for him.

[Brightside]

Our most consistently good defender this season when available.
Excellent performance yesterday.
This thread is up there with the most nonsensical of all time.

I wouldn’t go that far. But he’s been fine this season.

[WeeRussell]

Weekend summary:

If Boyle has a poor game it’s the fault of our other forward players.

If Rocky has a good game, it’s his fault our other defenders play poorly.

[The Captain....]

I , like others, thought Rocky was one of our better performers on Friday.

Fair point by OP about changing a settled back 4, I'm guessing that was because the manager wanted Magennis in midfield instead of Kenneh so more protection possibly at set peices with Rocky there in a 3.

Overall after a few shaky games last season in a poor team I think Rocky has been in decent form. There are a good half dozen others I'd be calling out before him tbh.

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[JohnM1875]

Given that you've named him in the thread title and your post is exclusively about him, I don't know how it could be more personal!

Pretty much what I thought.

Was a guy a few along from me that was screaming at Rocky the whole game as well. Anytime Rocky went down when fouled the guy was screaming at him 'get up you!!' genuinely bizarre.

[BILLYHIBS]

I , like others, thought Rocky was one of our better performers on Friday.

Fair point by OP about changing a settled back 4, I'm guessing that was because the manager wanted Magennis in midfield instead of Kenneh so more protection possibly at set peices with Rocky there in a 3.

Overall after a few shaky games last season in a poor team I think Rocky has been in decent form. There are a good half dozen others I'd be calling out before him tbh.

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Cadden Magennis Boyle Porteous Youan and Newell spring to mind without really thinking about it and a few others

Rocky was fine

[Northernhibee]

Being honest, I think Rocky has been our best CB this season when he's appeared. Assertive, much better in the air, no nonsense centre back. Strong and quick.

Seeing a completely different player this season. Was raging when we signed him, got egg on my face now.

[MWHIBBIES]

Cadden Magennis Boyle Porteous Youan and Newell spring to mind without really thinking about it and a few others

Rocky was fine

Newell was good on Friday. Probably our best player. Rocky was good too.

Cabraja certainly one who wasn't. Crossing was embarrassing.

[silverhibee]

I know after I send this post there may be many people who disagree however, I had to get this out my system.

I have referenced this before on one of my past posts and I feel Rocky is a major issue for a couple of reasons.

First of all I would like to highlight that my comments on Rocky’s ability and performances were shot down which I can accept as everyone is free to their own opinions. I will admit that since then he has had better games.

1. This point is more aimed at the management team bringing Rocky back into a settled back line. Speaking from experience having played in a back line at a decent level, when you introduce a player into a settled back line you are always prone to things going wrong. However, the return of Rocky could be due to reasons unforeseen that I am not aware of.

2. I really feel that he has an awkwardness within his play which may make his fellow team mates a little nervous. I have seen him numerous times attempt to challenge for high balls, completely miss timing his jumps which seem to be a regular occurrence, losing his footing and looking quite nervous in general.

This isn’t a personal dig at Rocky as I will support all players putting on that jersey but the club will always come first and it’s just a feeling I have that I had to get out there.

What a load of nonsense from someone who says played at a good level of football, was it Rockys fault that Hanlon was kicking the ball out the park in the 1st half or Ryan being at fault for both goals, maybe the manager thinks Rocky should have a place in defence and others might worry about losing there place as it might be clear that the manager rates Rocky and you maybe don’t have a clue. :aok:

[Irish_Steve]

36 posts in 6 years - I'll keep my thoughts to myself on that one as I got in trouble before for that lol

[BILLYHIBS]

Newell was good on Friday. Probably our best player. Rocky was good too.

Cabraja certainly one who wasn't. Crossing was embarrassing.

Thought his hair looked good

Ran about a lot but was off it ineffectual no end product

Do you actually watch the game ?

[MWHIBBIES]

Thought his hair looked good

Ran about a lot but was off it ineffectual no end product

Do you actually watch the game ?

:faf: Awful awful take. Jesus christ.

Guy was clearly good, pretty obvious by the fact there isn't the usual horrible abuse when he is anything other than good.

No end product and its me who doesn't watch the ****ing game? What are your thoughts on his 2 brilliant passes, one taking 2 guys out the game to get Cabraja in behind and he blootered it into the east. Then another for Boyle who plays it back for Youan who puts it straight at the keeper.

You're way off on this one. Our best midfielder and probably best player.

[BILLYHIBS]

:faf: Awful awful take. Jesus christ.

Guy was clearly good, pretty obvious by the fact there isn't the usual horrible abuse when he is anything other than good.

No end product and its me who doesn't watch the ****ing game? What are your thoughts on his 2 brilliant passes, one taking 2 guys out the game to get Cabraja in behind and he blootered it into the east. Then another for Boyle who plays it back for Youan who puts it straight at the keeper.

You're way off on this one. Our best midfielder and probably best player.
WTF ?

Are we that bad that we are now reduced to claiming an assist for an assist that ended up being the square root of nothing ? :greengrin

Joe Newell stats

Touches 69
Pass accuracy 84% 43 from 51
Crosses 1 that did not find a man
Long balls 8 3 found a man
Shots on target 0
Shots off target 0
Shots blocked 2
Tackles won 2 from 6
Headers won 1
Fouls committed 2
Was fouled 0
Possession given away 17

The worst part is possession given away a cardinal sin in my eyes for a professional footballer

[JimBHibees]

WTF ?

Are we that bad that we are now reduced to claiming an assist for an assist that ended up being the square root of nothing ? :greengrin

Joe Newell stats

Touches 69
Pass accuracy 84% 43 from 51
Crosses 1 that did not find a man
Long balls 8 3 found a man
Shots on target 0
Shots off target 0
Shots blocked 2
Tackles won 2 from 6
Headers won 1
Fouls committed 2
Was fouled 0
Possession given away 17

The worst part is possession given away a cardinal sin in my eyes for a professional footballer

Yep struggle a bit with Joe flatters a lot without really much end product. Falls out of games also imo. His shooting is like he has slippers on.

[MWHIBBIES]

WTF ?

Are we that bad that we are now reduced to claiming an assist for an assist that ended up being the square root of nothing ? :greengrin

Joe Newell stats

Touches 69
Pass accuracy 84% 43 from 51
Crosses 1 that did not find a man
Long balls 8 3 found a man
Shots on target 0
Shots off target 0
Shots blocked 2
Tackles won 2 from 6
Headers won 1
Fouls committed 2
Was fouled 0
Possession given away 17

The worst part is possession given away a cardinal sin in my eyes for a professional footballer

He made 2 brilliant passes that should've lead to goals, so no end product is a lie. Thats not his fault others ****ed it up. Another good performance from Joe, especially for the first 70. Least of our worries.

Possession given away is a really dumb stat. Considering only 8 of them were passes, its likely the rest were clearances which really are not a good way to judge a player.

[BILLYHIBS]

He made 2 brilliant passes that should've lead to goals, so no end product is a lie. Thats not his fault others ****ed it up. Another good performance from Joe, especially for the first 70. Least of our worries.

Possession given away is a really dumb stat. Considering only 8 of them were passes, its likely the rest were clearances which really are not a good way to judge a player.

Just puling your leg son but thought he was average at best tbh

Cannot fault his effort runs around a lot giving possession away and drifting out of games

Struggling to remember any end product from Joe goal or assist in recent games

There was a goal at Tannadice in the dark distant past IIRC :greengrin

Yes the phases of play you highlight were good but needs to do that more often week in week out

Edit

He had 1 clearance

[MWHIBBIES]

Just puling your leg son but thought he was average at best tbh

Cannot fault his effort runs around a lot giving possession away and drifting out of games

Struggling to remember any end product from Joe goal or assist in recent games

There was a goal at Tannadice in the dark distant past IIRC :greengrin

Yes the phases of play you highlight were good but needs to do that more often week in week out

3 goals already this season. 1 assist which should've been much more. Set up many good chances.


He has been doing it week in week out. Arguably our best player this season. Certainly one of our most consistent.

[BILLYHIBS]

3 goals already this season. 1 assist which should've been much more. Set up many good chances.


He has been doing it week in week out. Arguably our best player this season. Certainly one of our most consistent.

If your happy that our main man in midfield and best player gave the ball away to the opposition 17 times on Friday night and was bossed by the likes of Hallberg McGowan Wright Murphy and Wotherspoon carry on clapping

Newell has scored 3 goals this season one against Killie and two against Bonnyrigg Rose

Needs to do better and HIBS need better

[NAE NOOKIE]

Just puling your leg son but thought he was average at best tbh

Cannot fault his effort runs around a lot giving possession away and drifting out of games

Struggling to remember any end product from Joe goal or assist in recent games

There was a goal at Tannadice in the dark distant past IIRC :greengrin

Yes the phases of play you highlight were good but needs to do that more often week in week out

Correct me if I'm wrong but did he not score the winner against Kilmarnock? ... actually don't bother, he did.

As others have said Newell played two brilliant passes on Friday that should have resulted in better than what we got from them, but more than that on more than one occasion his quick feet kept possession at times where we looked like losing the ball high up the park, one of them right in front of me where he did brilliantly to beat his opponent to the ball and keep things moving.

One of the stats quoted by another poster was that he had zero fouls on him, from what I saw that was because rather than go down he stayed on his feet and found a pass. And as for him only committing 2 fouls seemingly being a cause for criticism. if there's one thing he isn't usually shy about its putting in a tackle and committing a foul.

Nobody is pretending the guy is Maradona, yes he does have the odd game where he doesn't make a lot happen and he can't shoot to save his life ... but he's still a more than decent midfield player and in my opinion is a long way from being part of the problem when it comes to our inability to win more games than we do.

[WeeRussell]

If your happy that our main man in midfield and best player gave the ball away to the opposition 17 times on Friday night and was bossed by the likes of Hallberg McGowan Wright Murphy and Wotherspoon carry on clapping

Newell has scored 3 goals this season one against Killie and two against Bonnyrigg Rose

Needs to do better and HIBS need better

I’m been far from a huge Newell fan but I thought he had a decent game on Friday, particularly in the first half.

[BILLYHIBS]

Correct me if I'm wrong but did he not score the winner against Kilmarnock? ... actually don't bother, he did.

As others have said Newell played two brilliant passes on Friday that should have resulted in better than what we got from them, but more than that on more than one occasion his quick feet kept possession at times where we looked like losing the ball high up the park, one of them right in front of me where he did brilliantly to beat his opponent to the ball and keep things moving.

One of the stats quoted by another poster was that he had zero fouls on him, from what I saw that was because rather than go down he stayed on his feet and found a pass. And as for him only committing 2 fouls seemingly being a cause for criticism. if there's one thing he isn't usually shy about its putting in a tackle and committing a foul.

Nobody is pretending the guy is Maradona, yes he does have the odd game where he doesn't make a lot happen and he can't shoot to save his life ... but he's still a more than decent midfield player and in my opinion is a long way from being part of the problem when it comes to our inability to win more games than we do.

See my post #46

I was the poster that said he had zero fouls on him

Yes he is not Maradona but by the same token he is not as brilliant as the OP thinks he is

3 goals and one assist since season start is not great

[MWHIBBIES]

If your happy that our main man in midfield and best player gave the ball away to the opposition 17 times on Friday night and was bossed by the likes of Hallberg McGowan Wright Murphy and Wotherspoon carry on clapping

Newell has scored 3 goals this season one against Killie and two against Bonnyrigg Rose

Needs to do better and HIBS need better

He was not bossed. Stop lying. Bossed so hard we were dominating them for 70 minutes aye. 2.5x more completed passes first half for example. They couldn't get near us.

You can keep blurting out daft statements like Hibs need better, but 16 players in the squad need replacing before him I'd say.

[MWHIBBIES]

See my post #46

I was the poster that said he had zero fouls on him

Yes he is not Maradona but by the same token he is not as brilliant as the OP thinks he is

3 goals and one assist since season start is not great

Oh ffs, 3 goals for a central midfielder is not great :faf:

The guy will never win with some on here. Clear agenda showed by things like the comment about his hair. You don't like the guy, admit it.

[BILLYHIBS]

Oh ffs, 3 goals for a central midfielder is not great :faf:

The guy will never win with some on here. Clear agenda showed by things like the comment about his hair. You don't like the guy, admit it.

I like Joe Newell just needs to do it more often and more consistently

I will be honest and would have to say he had the worst debut I have ever seen from a Hibs player in 60 years of following Hibs when Hecky played him as a winger at Stirling Albion

When he is on it he is on it but not often enough

[MWHIBBIES]

I like Joe Newell just needs to do it more often and more consistently

I will be honest and would have to say he had the worst debut I have ever seen from a Hibs player in 60 years of following Hibs when Hecky played him as a winger at Stirling Albion

When he is on it he is on it but not often enough

Yes, he was absolutely dreadful that day. Pathetic it still gets mentioned, though.

Joe has been consistently good this season. You're just reusing boring cliches from the past as you've made your mind up about him.

[BILLYHIBS]

He was not bossed. Stop lying. Bossed so hard we were dominating them for 70 minutes aye. 2.5x more completed passes first half for example. They couldn't get near us.

You can keep blurting out daft statements like Hibs need better, but 16 players in the squad need replacing before him I'd say.
I don’t lie

Lies damned lies and statistics

I will give you he was not our worst player on Friday a fair few behind him

[MWHIBBIES]

I don’t lie

Lies damned lies and statistics

I will give you he was not our worst player on Friday a fair few behind him

You said he was bossed by Hallberg, Murphy and Wotherspoon :faf: I mean, what is that if not a lie. Its frightening how wrong it is.

You know the ''lies, damned lies, and statistics'' phrase is about using stats to support rubbish arguments? Which is exactly what you have done with your possession lost stat.

[Hibbyradge]

Being honest, I think Rocky has been our best CB this season when he's appeared. Assertive, much better in the air, no nonsense centre back. Strong and quick.

Seeing a completely different player this season. Was raging when we signed him, got egg on my face now.

I've liked him since he came here so I've got smug on my face now! :wink:

[BILLYHIBS]

You said he was bossed by Hallberg, Murphy and Wotherspoon :faf: I mean, what is that if not a lie. Its frightening how wrong it is.

You know the ''lies, damned lies, and statistics'' phrase is about using stats to support rubbish arguments? Which is exactly what you have done with your possession lost stat.
The only stat that matters is Hibernian 1 v 2 St Johnstone

I like Newell but not when he is surrendering possession

[MWHIBBIES]

The only stat that matters is Hibernian 1 v 2 St Johnstone

I like Newell but not when he is surrendering possession

That is quite clearly not the only thing that matters when judging how Joe Newell has played this season, which has been consistently well.

[BILLYHIBS]

That is quite clearly not the only thing that matters when judging how Joe Newell has played this season, which has been consistently well.
Yawn !

Going round in circles here

3 goals and 1 assist all season is not great

I have already said he was not the worst on Friday

Rocky was MOM

[MWHIBBIES]

Yawn !

Going round in circles here

3 goals and 1 assist all season is not great

I have already said he was not the worst on Friday

Rocky was MOM

''all season''? Mate, its October.

Callum McGregor 1 goal 0 assists
Reo Hatate 2 goals 2 assists

Probably the best 2 centre mids in the league.

We're not going round in circles. Sorry Billy, but you're making an utter fool of yourself.

[ekhibee]

That is quite clearly not the only thing that matters when judging how Joe Newell has played this season, which has been consistently well.

Even though the thread isn't about Newell I agree with this, I thought he was stinking last season but now it's like a different player, he's really been putting a shift in the more games he plays and as you say 2 really good passes today that should've led to goals. Not as good in the 2nd half but still by far one of our better players today. I thought Bushiri had an excellent game today as well, for me he looks pretty solid now, a good no nonsense defender, I like him and IMO should be 1 of the 1st names on the team sheet at the moment.

[SHODAN]

That's twice in five minutes I've clicked on an unrelated Hibs thread and the discussion is about Joe ****in' Newell.

Take your obsession somewhere else, this is just boring.

[BILLYHIBS]

''all season''? Mate, its October.

Callum McGregor 1 goal 0 assists
Reo Hatate 2 goals 2 assists

Probably the best 2 centre mids in the league.

We're not going round in circles. Sorry Billy, but you're making an utter fool of yourself.

Sorry but 3 goals ( 1 in the Premiership) and 1 assist in 12 games from one of our supposedly more creative players probably tells you all you need to know about our season to date

[cameronw-hfc]

Sorry but 3 goals ( 1 in the Premiership) and 1 assist in 12 games from one of our supposedly more creative players probably tells you all you need to know about our season to date

Nobody that thinks Newell is a good player has ever said he's a creative player. That's a myth made up by people who are desperate to have a go at him. 4 direct goal involvements in 12 games for a CM is good going in any league. If a striker scored 5 in 10 you'd say that's a decent record. A goal involvement every few games is pretty decent for a midfielder, even if you try convince yourself it isn't

[BILLYHIBS]

Nobody that thinks Newell is a good player has ever said he's a creative player. That's a myth made up by people who are desperate to have a go at him. 4 direct goal involvements in 12 games for a CM is good going in any league. If a striker scored 5 in 10 you'd say that's a decent record. A goal involvement every few games is pretty decent for a midfielder, even if you try convince yourself it isn't

Good point

OK let us take away the Bonnyrigg game as they were supposedly inferior opposition makes it 2:11 goal involvements

Still pretty good for a CM I hear you say but I see him more as driving into the opposition box midfielder which he tries to do at every opportunity ever since LJ arrived trying to get on the end of something or make something happen

Yes he had some good build up play on Friday but I am more concerned by the 17 times he gave the ball to the opposition and his disappearance after Magennis was dismissed

I repeat I am not a Joe Newell hater when he is good he is very good I just thought he was off it on Friday that is all

[B.H.F.C]

Nobody that thinks Newell is a good player has ever said he's a creative player. That's a myth made up by people who are desperate to have a go at him. 4 direct goal involvements in 12 games for a CM is good going in any league. If a striker scored 5 in 10 you'd say that's a decent record. A goal involvement every few games is pretty decent for a midfielder, even if you try convince yourself it isn't

It would be decent but he has one goal and zero assists in his twelve league games.

Averaging one direct goal involvement in every three games would be good. One in every twelve, less so.

[ManchesterGreen]

He made 2 brilliant passes that should've lead to goals, so no end product is a lie. Thats not his fault others ****ed it up. Another good performance from Joe, especially for the first 70. Least of our worries.

Possession given away is a really dumb stat. Considering only 8 of them were passes, its likely the rest were clearances which really are not a good way to judge a player.

It’s only an end product if the ball finishes up in the back of the net.

[loanheadhibby]

Thought his hair looked good

Ran about a lot but was off it ineffectual no end product

Do you actually watch the game ?

Wow some back up 're Newell.
You do realise however that he has been brilliant this season.
Imagine if we had him and Doidge before his injury in the same team.

[MWHIBBIES]

Wow some back up 're Newell.
You do realise however that he has been brilliant this season.
Imagine if we had him and Doidge before his injury in the same team.

Finally coming around to Joes brilliance?

Can I ask, why you do hate Christian Doidge so much? Its strange. A good player for Hibs who got a bad injury. Hes moved on now. Why are you still going on about him?

[BILLYHIBS]

Wow some back up 're Newell.
You do realise however that he has been brilliant this season.
Imagine if we had him and Doidge before his injury in the same team.

No I didn’t realise he had been brilliant this season ....better yes

Not sure if a fit Doidgerinho would fit into LJ’s masterplan of how he wants us to play ?

I take it you are not being serious

[theonlywayisup]

I know after I send this post there may be many people who disagree however, I had to get this out my system.

I have referenced this before on one of my past posts and I feel Rocky is a major issue for a couple of reasons.

First of all I would like to highlight that my comments on Rocky’s ability and performances were shot down which I can accept as everyone is free to their own opinions. I will admit that since then he has had better games.

1. This point is more aimed at the management team bringing Rocky back into a settled back line. Speaking from experience having played in a back line at a decent level, when you introduce a player into a settled back line you are always prone to things going wrong. However, the return of Rocky could be due to reasons unforeseen that I am not aware of.

2. I really feel that he has an awkwardness within his play which may make his fellow team mates a little nervous. I have seen him numerous times attempt to challenge for high balls, completely miss timing his jumps which seem to be a regular occurrence, losing his footing and looking quite nervous in general.

This isn’t a personal dig at Rocky as I will support all players putting on that jersey but the club will always come first and it’s just a feeling I have that I had to get out there.

Penny for your thoughts Cookiehibs!

Another excellent display by Rocky!

[Jones28]

Is that 2 games since injury, 2 MOTM performances?

[HH81]

Looked a bad injury at the end. Hopefully not too serious.

[SickBoy32]

A disaster of a centre half

Has he ever been part of a clean sheet ?

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Him and Porteous are bomb scares TBH

[hibee_girl]

Looked a bad injury at the end. Hopefully not too serious.

Looked a really bad one. Heard a few guys after the game saying he’d broken his leg but obviously just rumours at the minute.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Him thinking he's Messi has caused us the 3rd and himself an injury. What was he doing?

[neil7908]

Rocky has his moments but been one of the few bright spots this season. Hope its not as bad as it looked.

[Callum_62]

A disaster of a centre half

Has he ever been part of a clean sheet ?Hi troll [emoji106]

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[Nutmegged]

Rocky has his moments but been one of the few bright spots this season. Hope its not as bad as it looked.

Anyone thinking he's a bright spot just highlights how rotten we are, he's absolutely hopeless.

[hibsbollah]

Rocky has his moments but been one of the few bright spots this season. Hope its not as bad as it looked.

It looked pretty bad. A massive blow, i think he’s underrated and will have a big career.

Porteous needs to be told he’s going nowhere till the summer.

[yerauldda]

Miles better than Porteous. Still a bit of developing to do.

[SHODAN]

Rocky should be captain. And manager. And owner tbh. Despite everything, love the guy.

[Smartie]

Him thinking he's Messi has caused us the 3rd and himself an injury. What was he doing?

Trying to keep possession under intense pressure with the hope he could get the ball to someone else and getting us going in the right direction in pursuit of a goal that got us back into the game?

He had no support. Not saying he absolutely took the right option but he was short of options and in trouble.

Rocky's not perfect but he'd make for a decent stop gap centre half until we can get better.

IMO we need at least 3 new centre halves before we take Rocky's injury into consideration.

What an absolute state to be in.

[B.H.F.C]

Looked a really bad one. Heard a few guys after the game saying he’d broken his leg but obviously just rumours at the minute.

It looked bad. Totally unnecessary as well, he was trying to do Devlin after dancing about on the ball and ended up hurting himself.

Hope he’s OK but I think he’s terrible. Don’t see anything in all the positive chat about him at all. Best I can say about him is that he tries and clearly cares.

[1875Sean]

Miles better than Porteous. Still a bit of developing to do.

Troll

['mon the beers]

Him thinking he's Messi has caused us the 3rd and himself an injury. What was he doing?

Nothing to do with Cabraja’s inability to cross the ball?

[the_ginger_hibee]

Trying to keep possession under intense pressure with the hope he could get the ball to someone else and getting us going in the right direction in pursuit of a goal that got us back into the game?

He had no support. Not saying he absolutely took the right option but he was short of options and in trouble.

Rocky's not perfect but he'd make for a decent stop gap centre half until we can get better.

IMO we need at least 3 new centre halves before we take Rocky's injury into consideration.

What an absolute state to be in.

Great and the end result of that was what?

He made a great run early in the 2nd half and from that point on gambled way too much with the ball as a Defender. Got away with it a few times until the injury. Decision making and selfish thinking big time. Punt it out, switch it, whatever, don't dance on the ball and end up in the situation he did. Avoidable.

[HH81]

Looked a really bad one. Heard a few guys after the game saying he’d broken his leg but obviously just rumours at the minute.

Tv showed his leg was in an odd position in the tackle. Wouldn't be suprised if was long term.

[skyehibee]

I like him and he’s been better than some this season however it sums us up that he is one of the better performers as realistically he should be a backup for someone better, not starting every week. Recruitment for the past 3 to 5 years to blame for that.

[Cookiehibs]

Penny for your thoughts Cookiehibs!

Another excellent display by Rocky!

Delusional in my opinion

[the_ginger_hibee]

Nothing to do with Cabraja’s inability to cross the ball?

I dunno, depends how far back you go in play. I just seen a Hearts player run through a big gap Rocky should have been while he was injured.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Stuart Lovell thought it might be an ACL injury on Hibs TV 🙄

[Iain G]

Stuart Lovell thought it might be an ACL injury on Hibs TV 🙄

LJ did say he was on oxygen in the physio room and hoping it wasn't a leg break, didn't sound good though

[Smartie]

Stuart Lovell thought it might be an ACL injury on Hibs TV 🙄

It looked like a badly twisted knee with a lot of weight on it and that's what it looked like to me tbh.

[CMac1988]

I like him and he’s been better than some this season however it sums us up that he is one of the better performers as realistically he should be a backup for someone better, not starting every week. Recruitment for the past 3 to 5 years to blame for that.

I like Rocky too but you're right. What's worse is you can say that about most of the sqaud. Outside Boyle, McGeady, Nisbet and Porteous (when he's playing well) the rest of the team would struggle to get in that Hearts side. The squad is pish. One good striker, an unbalanced midfield and a defence that ship goals at an alarming rate, mostly from waltzing passed Cadden as everyone wacthes on.

[yerauldda]

Troll

Just because someone says something you don’t like doesn’t make them a troll.

[SickBoy32]

Miles better than Porteous. Still a bit of developing to do.

😂

[B.H.F.C]

I cannae believe anyone seriously thinks he’s been our best player this season?

Our defence is shambolic and the only period of time it wasn’t shambolic was when he wasn’t playing.

[PaulSmith]

We coped very well without Rocky for a few months at the start of the season, comes back and we concede 2/3 goals per game.

I care about Hibs, I wish no harm to Rocky but if he’s out then so be it.

[Big_Franck]

Absolutely. One mistake today, other than that was in the mix for MOM

Agreed. I was walking down the stairs and missed the last goal, but Rocky was very good until injury time. Between Rocky and McGeady for the best Hibs player today for me.

[Iain G]

We coped very well without Rocky for a few months at the start of the season, comes back and we concede 2/3 goals per game.

I care about Hibs, I wish no harm to Rocky but if he’s out then so be it.

Backtracking much? 🙄

[Exuberance1875]

Unbelievable shame that he’s injured. Great talent and only getting better.

[B.H.F.C]

We coped very well without Rocky for a few months at the start of the season, comes back and we concede 2/3 goals per game.

I care about Hibs, I wish no harm to Rocky but if he’s out then so be it.

FWIW I know what you meant. Didn’t see anything in your post wishing injury on him. But from a football perspective we won’t miss him IMO.

[BILLYHIBS]

Man of the match for me today

Hope he is ok

[superfurryhibby]

FWIW I know what you meant. Didn’t see anything in your post wishing injury on him. But from a football perspective we won’t miss him IMO.

We will and you can GTF with that crap as well.

[B.H.F.C]

We will and you can GTF with that crap as well.

What crap is that?

Did we miss him last time he was out?

[SickBoy32]

FWIW I know what you meant. Didn’t see anything in your post wishing injury on him. But from a football perspective we won’t miss him IMO.

Aye I agree too, as unpopular as it seems

Hanlon the better centre half, hands down

[j'adorehibs]

What crap is that?

Did we miss him last time he was out?

if he is out and porto moves on whats your centre half selection to be ?

[BlackSheep]

Ambulance waiting after the game for Rocky, not sure the news will be good.

[1875Sean]

Just because someone says something you don’t like doesn’t make them a troll.

Porto hasn’t had the best of seasons but to say Rocky is miles better is just ridiculous, he has had a massive improvement from last season but the last 4-5 games he’s been very shaky

[LewysGot2]

if he is out and porto moves on whats your centre half selection to be ?

Something being discussed on another thread.

We could be in big bother.

[B.H.F.C]

if he is out and porto moves on whats your centre half selection to be ?

I wouldn’t have Rocky playing in the first place. Porto won’t move on unless we have a replacement. Whoever that is it will be them and Hanlon. I don’t think Hanlon is good but our only reasonable spell defensively was him and Porto starting.

[Crammond Hibee]

I like Rocky too but you're right. What's worse is you can say that about most of the sqaud. Outside Boyle, McGeady, Nisbet and Porteous (when he's playing well) the rest of the team would struggle to get in that Hearts side. The squad is pish. One good striker, an unbalanced midfield and a defence that ship goals at an alarming rate, mostly from waltzing passed Cadden as everyone wacthes on.

I don’t agree
Hearts were poor today

They are not a good side but are best of the rest and we can’t win because
poor in the final third

[Mikey_1875]

Wish him all the best but there is definitely a debate to be had on his overall effectiveness in the team. Certainly needs a more experienced head to be playing alongside him rather than our main defender. Probably not the time though as I don’t think we will be seeing him for a while.

[Smartie]

Porto and Hanlon have made for the most efficient central defensive partnership. They looked good earlier in the season then looked good when we played Killie before the WC. Not sure they've been paired since then.

Rocky has played well individually but I'm not convinced he plays in any pairing as good as the other two make. Hanlon has looked all over the shop next to Rocky at times (when we had Porto in midfield and suspended) and Porto / Rocky has never looked right either.

Our problems in this position have the potential to sink us over the next 18 months.

[hibsbollah]

I wouldn’t have Rocky playing in the first place. Porto won’t move on unless we have a replacement. Whoever that is it will be them and Hanlon. I don’t think Hanlon is good but our only reasonable spell defensively was him and Porto starting.

He’s our best defender this season.

Honestly don’t know what games you’ve been watching.

[Hibby-G]

A disaster of a centre half

Has he ever been part of a clean sheet ?

Joking me right? One of the few bright sparks in that side. Constantly gives it his all and no where near as bad a footballer as some make out. Sure he gives us a few shaky moments, but more often than not he’ll work his way out of them.

[easty]

He’s our best defender this season.

Honestly don’t know what games you’ve been watching.

He has his moments, but he’s been the best we’ve got. Miles better than Porto

[B.H.F.C]

He’s our best defender this season.

Honestly don’t know what games you’ve been watching.

Have we been better with or without him defensively?

[superfurryhibby]

He’s our best defender this season.

Honestly don’t know what games you’ve been watching.

He has been. One of the few bright sparks in another mediocre season.

[loanheadhibby]

Sadly he’s terrible. An absolute bomb scare. The gulf between him and Rowles/Sibbick is absolutely massive.

[Pete]

Sadly he’s terrible. An absolute bomb scare. The gulf between him and Rowles/Sibbick is absolutely massive.

Couldn't disagree more

[wookie70]

From the pain on his face I can't see Rocky being back this season. He has been good this year but he could have avoided that injury by just playing a simple inside ball. Hope it is just a sore one and not serious but I'd bet that is him out for months.

[Willis1875]

We have conceded 2+ goals in every game bar one since the return from the World Cup.Serious questions need to be asked of the whole defensive setup including the Goalkeeper

[Willis1875]

From the pain on his face I can't see Rocky being back this season. He has been good this year but he could have avoided that injury by just playing a simple inside ball. Hope it is just a sore one and not serious but I'd bet that is him out for months.

He goes down in agony almost every week and somehow springs back to life after a minute or two

[Allant1981]

Some utter bellends on this site these days, time to stay off the site for a while now

[gaz1875]

Porto hasn’t had the best of seasons but to say Rocky is miles better is just ridiculous, he has had a massive improvement from last season but the last 4-5 games he’s been very shaky

He might be shaky but he doesn't costs us as many goals as Porteous does.

[B.H.F.C]

Sadly he’s terrible. An absolute bomb scare. The gulf between him and Rowles/Sibbick is absolutely massive.

This isn’t aimed just at Rocky, but the desire that lot show to defend, in these games, in comparison to us is the biggest difference between the two teams. We must have had at least a dozen shots blocked today. The first goal typifies it, they get a body in the way of the loose ball if it’s at the other end. Then to top it off, they have a centre half prepared to sprint 80 yards to score, when they’re down to 10 men and the game is in the 95th minute or something. We just don’t have that will to win.

[CMac1988]

I don’t agree
Hearts were poor today

They are not a good side but are best of the rest and we can’t win because
poor in the final third

We can't win cause we're weaker than them in almost every position. It's all good saying we can't score but we can't defend for **** either. Tell me who in our sqaud gets in their team? Most of their bench would start in ours at the moment. I'd love for us to be poor and get a clean sheet whilst scoring 3...

[gaz1875]

He goes down in agony almost every week and somehow springs back to life after a minute or two


Hopefully he's fine. but I hope you will apologies if not for suggesting he was feigning injury, because he looked like he was in a lot of pain.

[hibee_girl]

It doesn't sound great - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/rocky-bushiri-injury-fear-for-hibs-after-defender-is-stretchered-off-during-cup-derby-defeat-by-hearts-3996596

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

We can't win cause we're weaker than them in almost every position. It's all good saying we can't score but we can't defend for **** either. Tell me who in our sqaud gets in their team? Most of their bench would start in ours at the moment. I'd love for us to be poor and get a clean sheet whilst scoring 3...

Marshall > Clarke
Smith > Cadden
Porteous > Rowles
Sibbick = Rocky
Cochrane = Cabraja
Snodgrass > Campbell
Devlin > Jeggo (so far)
McKay > Youan
Ginelly > McGeady (on todays showing at the very least)
Nisbet = Shankland

They’re just a better team, all over the park


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[madhatter]

Could well be his ACL. Looked really nasty, his right leg got caught underneath him. Needs an experienced no nonsense CB to learn from.

[Percy Vere]

Rocky has been a much improved player.
Plays with his heart on his sleeve and far more secure than when he arrived.
With Porto going we have to hope this isn’t a long term injury as he is important for us right now. I enjoyed his play today but thought Youan was mom (what would he be like if he could improve his final ball and finishing)!)

[whiskyhibby]

Some utter bellends on this site these days, time to stay off the site for a while now


You’re absolutely right, so many posters on here showing their glee at Hibs getting beat, ones that you never hear from normally when Hibs are winning………. I’m pretty sure many of them are :kbacker:

[Cat Stanton]

A disaster of a centre half

Has he ever been part of a clean sheet ?

On a truly miserable day, I thought he was excellent. You should breathe and think before posting.

[Alfred E Newman]

Hanlon & Stevenson next week ? Sort of sums it up really.

[ekhibee]

Have we been better with or without him defensively?

Hanlon has been poor for quite a few games now and definitely needed dropped, Porteous was poor today and that was nothing to do with Rocky. You obviously don't like him, I do, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[whiskyhibby]

Yep thought Rocky had an excellent game today, took the piss out of the Hearts forwards on a number of occasions

[Jones28]

Sadly he’s terrible. An absolute bomb scare. The gulf between him and Rowles/Sibbick is absolutely massive.

You are just a ****ing wind up merchant aren’t you?

Come on, just admit this and be done with it then **** off forever please?

Seriously. Imagine comparing our best player this season so far with they *****.

[JimBHibees]

Rocky has his moments but been one of the few bright spots this season. Hope its not as bad as it looked.

Thought he was very good today

[B.H.F.C]

Hanlon has been poor for quite a few games now and definitely needed dropped, Porteous was poor today and that was nothing to do with Rocky. You obviously don't like him, I do, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I thought they were all poor defensively in truth. We had very little to defend but didn’t defend when we had to.

[loanheadhibby]

Couldn't disagree more

I am only basing it on what my eyes show me. He’s not good enough for us.

[hibsbollah]

Yep thought Rocky had an excellent game today, took the piss out of the Hearts forwards on a number of occasions

He dominated Shankland all game. So ****ing weird that if you just watched the goals you’d think otherwise.

[loanheadhibby]

You are just a ****ing wind up merchant aren’t you?

Come on, just admit this and be done with it then **** off forever please?

Seriously. Imagine comparing our best player this season so far with they *****.

Mate, he’s played in 2 games against hearts and conceded 6 goals. Get your head out the sand.

Nisbet was our best player today followed by Youhan.

Porto gave away the 1st goal with his stupid barge. Rocky is not the answer.

If Hanlon had been in a defence that conceded they goals today, he’d be getting slaughtered.

Wake up and smell the coffee

[scoopyboy]

I am only basing it on what my eyes show me. He’s not good enough for us.

Do you like anybody?

Don't recall ever seeing anything positive about Hibs or a player.

[loanheadhibby]

He dominated Shankland all game. So ****ing weird that if you just watched the goals you’d think otherwise.

He never dominated anyone. They scored 3!

[HH81]

Mate, he’s played in 2 games against hearts and conceded 6 goals. Get your head out the sand.

Nisbet was our best player today followed by Youhan.

Porto gave away the 1st goal with his stupid barge. Rocky is not the answer.

If Hanlon had been in a defence that conceded they goals today, he’d be getting slaughtered.

Wake up and smell the coffee

Nisbet hardly kicked the ball and was awful. He has played in 2 games v them now and was awful in both.

[Jones28]

Mate, he’s played in 2 games against hearts and conceded 6 goals. Get your head out the sand.

Nisbet was our best player today followed by Youhan.

Porto gave away the 1st goal with his stupid barge. Rocky is not the answer.

If Hanlon had been in a defence that conceded they goals today, he’d be getting slaughtered.

Wake up and smell the coffee

Nisbet our best player 😂😂😂 he was playing through an injury imo, and he competed but he was miles off his best and well off being our best player. Kudos to him for doing it.

Which goal was Rocky at fault for then?

[gegs70]

To be honest we are weak in a lot of positions we really lack a lot in this squad. I just don't know where our transfer budget has gone. I doubt we would have bought Rocky bar making a mistake mismanaging game time(mismanagement seems to be hibs thing at the moment) otherwise we would not have had him?

[Pretty Boy]

I really don't care about his ability as a player or not right now.

The injury looked a bad one, his leg just sort of buckled and my initial reaction was 'broken leg'.

I wish the big man well.

[B.H.F.C]

Nisbet our best player 😂😂😂 he was playing through an injury imo, and he competed but he was miles off his best and well off being our best player. Kudos to him for doing it.

Which goal was Rocky at fault for then?

Totally ineffective at the second. Standing miles off the Hearts player who laid it off to Shankland totally unchallenged.

This isn’t just aimed at Rocky but it’s all these small details that we just don’t do well enough, collectively, defensively. Doesn’t make it difficult for the boy laying it off and doesn’t get out to block the shot either. You compare it to the other end of the park and the number of shots we had blocked must have been in double figures. We don’t have the hunger to defend that they do in these games. It’s why we’re continually shipping two or three goals a game.

[silverhibee]

Mate, he’s played in 2 games against hearts and conceded 6 goals. Get your head out the sand.

Nisbet was our best player today followed by Youhan.

Porto gave away the 1st goal with his stupid barge. Rocky is not the answer.

If Hanlon had been in a defence that conceded they goals today, he’d be getting slaughtered.

Wake up and smell the coffee

Nisbet and Youhan were our best players today, no f***ing way, McGeady and Rocky were our best players today, you just like cause a drama.

[gegs70]

I really don't care about his ability as a player or not right now.

The injury looked a bad one, his leg just sort of buckled and my initial reaction was 'broken leg'.

I wish the big man well.

Yep didn't look good could be out for a bit? Any updates?

[staunchhibby]

Thought Nisbet was poor today.Youhan played well along with McGeady.

[JimBHibees]

Do you like anybody?

Don't recall ever seeing anything positive about Hibs or a player.

The boy is clearly a yam

[Mrimbetween]

Nisbet and Youhan were our best players today, no f***ing way, McGeady and Rocky were our best players today, you just like cause a drama.


Sadly for me Nisbet done very little today

[beensaidbefore]

Mate, he’s played in 2 games against hearts and conceded 6 goals. Get your head out the sand.

Nisbet was our best player today followed by Youhan.

Porto gave away the 1st goal with his stupid barge. Rocky is not the answer.

If Hanlon had been in a defence that conceded they goals today, he’d be getting slaughtered.

Wake up and smell the coffee

What game were you watching?

[CMac1988]

Marshall > Clarke
Smith > Cadden
Porteous > Rowles
Sibbick = Rocky
Cochrane = Cabraja
Snodgrass > Campbell
Devlin > Jeggo (so far)
McKay > Youan
Ginelly > McGeady (on todays showing at the very least)
Nisbet = Shankland

They’re just a better team, all over the park


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My take

Marshall = Clarke (Don't think it matters much but sure they'd be happier with Clarke. Marshall rarely makes a save I wouldn't expect most keeper in the league to make. Hard to fault him but part of the sqaud that shipped 6 goals over the last two games against them)
Smith > Cadden (Cadden is one of the worst fullbacks in league defensively, stick him on the wing or drop him... Who for? Who knows but he's our biggest weakness right now)
Porteous > Rowles (Overall Porteous has been poor this season but the quality is there. Rowles was better today)
Sibbick > Rocky (Rocky has more scope to be better but Sibbick strolled it today and is part of a better defence that Rocky)
Cochrane > Cabraja (I like Cabraja but he has more poor games than good. Had a tough year so not going to judge him too harshly)
Snodgrass > Campbell (Campbell works hard but is chasing shadows at times. Snodgrass is capable of controlling a midfield without too much effort these days... more fool us I suppose as he didnt have to do much today)
Devlin > Jeggo (So far. As it stands form today then yes. Noticenable we were better with Jeggo on the park though. Was alwasys going to be him to get subbed given his yellow but without the card I'd have taken of Stevenson)
McKay > Youan (McKay is in and out of that team at times depedning on what's needed. Contributes more than Youan)
McGeady > Ginelly (Ginelly took his goal well but McGeady is the better player. Perhaps it's closer with McGeady's age and again current contributions. Depsite that over time they'll get more out of Ginelly than we'll get out of McGeady)
Nisbet = Shankland (Pretty much).

Can't quite compare the benches directly but Alan Forest rarely starts but has done more for Hearts than Tavares, Henderson and McKirdy combined ahve for Hibs. Atkinson, Humphreys and Kingsley again are decent players. The only other decent player we have on the bench is Hanlon and he's had a poor season so far.

[loanheadhibby]

The boy is clearly a yam

Hi Jim B. Flattered mate.

[loanheadhibby]

What game were you watching?

Sadly a game we got rinsed off our local rivals again. How about you?

[loanheadhibby]

Sadly for me Nisbet done very little today

I honestly thought he did well. He was against 3 giants. Got in front of them. Brought others in to the game. He led the line well. Was obviously carrying an injury.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

My take

Marshall = Clarke (Don't think it matters much but sure they'd be happier with Clarke. Marshall rarely makes a save I wouldn't expect most keeper in the league to make. Hard to fault him but part of the sqaud that shipped 6 goals over the last two games against them)
Smith > Cadden (Cadden is one of the worst fullbacks in league defensively, stick him on the wing or drop him... Who for? Who knows but he's our biggest weakness right now)
Porteous > Rowles (Overall Porteous has been poor this season but the quality is there. Rowles was better today)
Sibbick > Rocky (Rocky has more scope to be better but Sibbick strolled it today and is part of a better defence that Rocky)
Cochrane > Cabraja (I like Cabraja but he has more poor games than good. Had a tough year so not going to judge him too harshly)
Snodgrass > Campbell (Campbell works hard but is chasing shadows at times. Snodgrass is capable of controlling a midfield without too much effort these days... more fool us I suppose as he didnt have to do much today)
Devlin > Jeggo (So far. As it stands form today then yes. Noticenable we were better with Jeggo on the park though. Was alwasys going to be him to get subbed given his yellow but without the card I'd have taken of Stevenson)
McKay > Youan (McKay is in and out of that team at times depedning on what's needed. Contributes more than Youan)
McGeady > Ginelly (Ginelly took his goal well but McGeady is the better player. Perhaps it's closer with McGeady's age and again current contributions. Depsite that over time they'll get more out of Ginelly than we'll get out of McGeady)
Nisbet = Shankland (Pretty much).

Can't quite compare the benches directly but Alan Forest rarely starts but has done more for Hearts than Tavares, Henderson and McKirdy combined ahve for Hibs. Atkinson, Humphreys and Kingsley again are decent players. The only other decent player we have on the bench is Hanlon and he's had a poor season so far.

Tbh can’t argue with any of that, Geads is clearly a better player than Ginnelly but didn’t do it today


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[beensaidbefore]

Sadly a game we got rinsed off our local rivals again. How about you?

Have a day off mate. Its getting boring

[loanheadhibby]

This isn’t aimed just at Rocky, but the desire that lot show to defend, in these games, in comparison to us is the biggest difference between the two teams. We must have had at least a dozen shots blocked today. The first goal typifies it, they get a body in the way of the loose ball if it’s at the other end. Then to top it off, they have a centre half prepared to sprint 80 yards to score, when they’re down to 10 men and the game is in the 95th minute or something. We just don’t have that will to win.

Completely agree mate but why can’t anyone else see it? They defended like lions. It was don’t concede at all costs. We can’t defend to save our lives.

Kingsley from their bench is better than Rocky. The 3 they started are better than Rocky. That’s the standards we need to reach.

[Jones28]

Totally ineffective at the second. Standing miles off the Hearts player who laid it off to Shankland totally unchallenged.

This isn’t just aimed at Rocky but it’s all these small details that we just don’t do well enough, collectively, defensively. Doesn’t make it difficult for the boy laying it off and doesn’t get out to block the shot either. You compare it to the other end of the park and the number of shots we had blocked must have been in double figures. We don’t have the hunger to defend that they do in these games. It’s why we’re continually shipping two or three goals a game.

You need to re watch the highlights, I just did and you’ve got it totally wrong re Bushiri.

[loanheadhibby]

Have a day off mate. Its getting boring

So you’re quite happy with the last 2 games against Hearts?

[gegs70]

My take

Marshall = Clarke (Don't think it matters much but sure they'd be happier with Clarke. Marshall rarely makes a save I wouldn't expect most keeper in the league to make. Hard to fault him but part of the sqaud that shipped 6 goals over the last two games against them)
Smith > Cadden (Cadden is one of the worst fullbacks in league defensively, stick him on the wing or drop him... Who for? Who knows but he's our biggest weakness right now)
Porteous > Rowles (Overall Porteous has been poor this season but the quality is there. Rowles was better today)
Sibbick > Rocky (Rocky has more scope to be better but Sibbick strolled it today and is part of a better defence that Rocky)
Cochrane > Cabraja (I like Cabraja but he has more poor games than good. Had a tough year so not going to judge him too harshly)
Snodgrass > Campbell (Campbell works hard but is chasing shadows at times. Snodgrass is capable of controlling a midfield without too much effort these days... more fool us I suppose as he didnt have to do much today)
Devlin > Jeggo (So far. As it stands form today then yes. Noticenable we were better with Jeggo on the park though. Was alwasys going to be him to get subbed given his yellow but without the card I'd have taken of Stevenson)
McKay > Youan (McKay is in and out of that team at times depedning on what's needed. Contributes more than Youan)
McGeady > Ginelly (Ginelly took his goal well but McGeady is the better player. Perhaps it's closer with McGeady's age and again current contributions. Depsite that over time they'll get more out of Ginelly than we'll get out of McGeady)
Nisbet = Shankland (Pretty much).

Can't quite compare the benches directly but Alan Forest rarely starts but has done more for Hearts than Tavares, Henderson and McKirdy combined ahve for Hibs. Atkinson, Humphreys and Kingsley again are decent players. The only other decent player we have on the bench is Hanlon and he's had a poor season so far.

Youan is a weird one doesn't seem to be in the right place and comes back but doesn't mark a player. Nisbet did well but was well marked and we didn't seem to get the right ball in the box consistently? No real attacking midfielders, Campbell perhaps has improved but to be isn't quite good enough yet. Stevenson ain't great if an attacking role and still can't cross a ball. Plenty of bluster final third was poor and too many errors are the back.

[hibsbollah]

So you’re quite happy with the last 2 games against Hearts?

You are the worst poster on here. A complete wind up merchant but you dont even get pass marks for being amusing. The mods should have ousted you ages ago.

[McD]

So you’re quite happy with the last 2 games against Hearts?


yeah that’s what he said

seems like you are though, you’re practically salivating to have a pop

[Northernhibee]

His attitude is outstanding. To come back from last season with the absolutely shambolic way the club announced him and to be one of our best players this season takes massive balls and we’ll miss him from the squad.

[hibsbollah]

What game were you watching?

The same game as us. HIS team won though.

[beensaidbefore]

So you’re quite happy with the last 2 games against Hearts?

Not at all. But Nisbet was never our best player today. Bushiri was solid and tried to play football and was one of our best players. You're constant negativity seems to cloud your judgment

[bigwheel]

Not at all. But Nisbet was never our best player today. Bushiri was solid and tried to play football and was one of our best players. You're constant negativity seems to cloud your judgment

Nisbet was good today. Movement , hold up
And link play all largely very strong …good in the air too ..happy with his level of performance

[loanheadhibby]

You are the worst poster on here. A complete wind up merchant but you dont even get pass marks for being amusing. The mods should have ousted you ages ago.

How on earth am I a wind up merchant?

Do you even go to the games? Did you see that capitulation today? Are you telling me that you’re happy with that today?

[loanheadhibby]

Not at all. But Nisbet was never our best player today. Bushiri was solid and tried to play football and was one of our best players. You're constant negativity seems to cloud your judgment

Bushiri was not solid today. How can he be solid when he played in a team that lost 3 goals (granted he was injured at 3rd).

The 3 ****bos defenders were solid. None of our defence was solid.

[B.H.F.C]

You need to re watch the highlights, I just did and you’ve got it totally wrong re Bushiri.

What bit is wrong in relation to the second goal. He neither got close to the boy Shankland played the one two with nor got close to Shankland to block the shot. Just really didn’t do very much at all, not that he was alone.

[The Spaceman]

Thought he was immense today, which is a bizzare comment for a CB when we lost 3-0. Really hope he’s not picked up a bad injury - he’s been one of the very few bright spots for us this season.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Sadly for me Nisbet done very little today

No service....

[Jones28]

What bit is wrong in relation to the second goal. He neither got close to the boy Shankland played the one two with nor got close to Shankland to block the shot. Just really didn’t do very much at all, not that he was alone.

He’s in position after making a clearance, the fact he doesn’t block the shot is more down to the fact Shankland got through 2 players before he hit it.

Blaming Rocky is just desperate.

[B.H.F.C]

He’s in position after making a clearance, the fact he doesn’t block the shot is more down to the fact Shankland got through 2 players before he hit it.

Blaming Rocky is just desperate.

He put no pressure on the player laying the ball back to Shankland. Then no pressure on Shankland when he went to shoot. Just basically did nothing in that particular instance. Cadden’s contribution was equally pish.

I’m not desperately trying to prove anything, I think the goals against column speaks for itself. It’s not really just a Rocky thing, it’s is collectively. Look at Cabraja attempting to block the first goal. It’s all thes little basic things that we just do not do as a team.

[loanheadhibby]

He’s in position after making a clearance, the fact he doesn’t block the shot is more down to the fact Shankland got through 2 players before he hit it.

Blaming Rocky is just desperate.

It was a sorry goal to lose. Amateurish stuff. None of the defenders covered themselves in glory. Cadden was poor at goal and so was Rocky from his initial clearing header and then subsequently failing to close Shankland quick enough.

Anyway, I hope Rocky is on the mend soon. Fingers crossed not as serious as has been suggested.

[DJ HIBBY]

Don’t think necessarily he is a bad player individually, just think with his technique and the way he plays he makes those around him very nervous. Watching him I always think there is a mistake in him and I think his defensive partners are the same. We looked relatively solid until he came into the team.

[gegs70]

I just can't decide if our midfield was better would our defence be so bad? Also Nisbet worked hard but service was poor, he made that lung busting run to helpthe defence.... We really do lack quality. If when we lose Nisbet and Porto we need to replace these guys.

[LeithMike]

I didn’t rate Rocky initially. Thought he was clumsy and rash. I think he’s improving every week. Powerful and quick. I think he’s our one player who will go on to play at a higher level. Makes sense that we signed him by mistake.


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[WeeRussell]

Looked like he was a league above everyone else on the pitch today. First time I recall him putting close to a foot wrong was doing a bit much and getting trapped, leading to his injury.

Man of the match and continues to be one of our best players every week. Which makes sense given the amount of internet experts that had it in for him early doors.

[basehibby]

Rocky's been one of our best players this season and barely put a foot wrong today prior to getting injured - hope the big fella's OK

[Frogga]

Today was my first time in a while at ER and I was really impressed with Rocky. He looked so confident and self-assured and the best player on the pitch for me. A million miles from the player at the start of the season.

[21sMay]

Don’t think necessarily he is a bad player individually, just think with his technique and the way he plays he makes those around him very nervous. Watching him I always think there is a mistake in him and I think his defensive partners are the same. We looked relatively solid until he came into the team.

This is spot on . Guys a player but he definitely makes others around him nervous with the way he goes about his buisness

[LaMotta]

I didn’t rate Rocky initially. Thought he was clumsy and rash. I think he’s improving every week. Powerful and quick. I think he’s our one player who will go on to play at a higher level. Makes sense that we signed him by mistake.


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Looked like he was a league above everyone else on the pitch today. First time I recall him putting close to a foot wrong was doing a bit much and getting trapped, leading to his injury.

Man of the match and continues to be one of our best players every week. Which makes sense given the amount of internet experts that had it in for him early doors.


Rocky's been one of our best players this season and barely put a foot wrong today prior to getting injured - hope the big fella's OK

:agree::agree::agree:

Think he's got what it takes to go to a higher level - his power and pace over yards is frightening.

The injury today is a massive blow for us - assuming Porto goes then all we have are a half fit, ageing Hanlon and a largely untested (and it seems untrusted) Fish. Things just keep getting worse somehow.:rolleyes:

[LaMotta]

Don’t think necessarily he is a bad player individually, just think with his technique and the way he plays he makes those around him very nervous. Watching him I always think there is a mistake in him and I think his defensive partners are the same. We looked relatively solid until he came into the team.


This is spot on . Guys a player but he definitely makes others around him nervous with the way he goes about his buisness

Yet I bet you cant name any howlers from him that have led to goals this season?

Which we cant say for Porto or Hanlon.

[Glory Lurker]

If he's crocked then then Porto's price has just gone right up. I'd rather lose Ryan for nothing in the summer than be without him and Rocky for the rest of the season.

[21sMay]

Yet I bet you cant name any howlers from him that have led to goals this season?

Which we cant say for Porto or Hanlon.

I wasn't meaning he had any howlers mate , just the way he plays at times can have players and fans taking a deep breath. He definitely has improved and looks like a fine center half

[LaMotta]

I wasn't meaning he had any howlers mate , just the way he plays at times can have players and fans taking a deep breath. He definitely has improved and looks like a fine center half

I get what you guys mean in that it seems like there might be a mistake in him, but I suppose what I'm saying is that actually he hasn't really made many (if any) bad mistakes. So we should probably trust him a bit more!

[cameronw-hfc]

Downright disgusting thread just been sent to me from Kickback. Majority of them saying it's karma/wishing him serious injury. Seen a few Hibs fans comments on twitter saying him being out is a positive as well, some disgusting comments tonight. Truly pathetic people.


https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/199198-rocky/#comments

Thread in question. Honestly disgraceful stuff from they mutants.

[21sMay]

I get what you guys mean in that it seems like there might be a mistake in him, but I suppose what I'm saying is that actually he hasn't really made many (if any) bad mistakes. So we should probably trust him a bit more!

Yep and I feel the trust growing with every game he plays now . His pace and power really pull us out of difficult situations . His effort and commitment really can't be questioned either

[21sMay]

Downright disgusting thread just been sent to me from Kickback. Majority of them saying it's karma/wishing him serious injury. Seen a few Hibs fans comments on twitter saying him being out is a positive as well, some disgusting comments tonight. Truly pathetic people.

Had it sent also . Horrible bunch of human beings

[DIXIHIBS]

How on earth am I a wind up merchant?

Do you even go to the games? Did you see that capitulation today? Are you telling me that you’re happy with that today?

Capitulation....seriously. Yes we got beat...again but 2nd half we pushed all the way without the rewards but capitulation...no chance. I hate getting beat of that mob but no one can say hibs didnt try today.

[WeeRussell]

Downright disgusting thread just been sent to me from Kickback. Majority of them saying it's karma/wishing him serious injury. Seen a few Hibs fans comments on twitter saying him being out is a positive as well, some disgusting comments tonight. Truly pathetic people.


https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/199198-rocky/#comments

Thread in question. Honestly disgraceful stuff from they mutants.

Quite indicative of the type of hearts fans that generally populate that forum. There are one or two saying the right thing with over 90% piling in with the karma **** etc. Basically the exact opposite to the Gordon thread on here… remember how up in arms they were on any comments about him?

Hearts fans think the place is full of ******s too. It’s easy to see why.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Downright disgusting thread just been sent to me from Kickback. Majority of them saying it's karma/wishing him serious injury. Seen a few Hibs fans comments on twitter saying him being out is a positive as well, some disgusting comments tonight. Truly pathetic people.


https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/199198-rocky/#comments

Thread in question. Honestly disgraceful stuff from they mutants.

They’ve form for this pish, hang Neil Lennon, Tony Mowbrays wife etc they’re complete gimps, they’re like a bunch of sweaty basement dwelling virgins trying to be as edgy as possible for absolutely no ****in reason. They won ffs, imagine the state of that place if they lose


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[McGruber]

Downright disgusting thread just been sent to me from Kickback. Majority of them saying it's karma/wishing him serious injury. Seen a few Hibs fans comments on twitter saying him being out is a positive as well, some disgusting comments tonight. Truly pathetic people.


https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/199198-rocky/#comments

Thread in question. Honestly disgraceful stuff from they mutants.

Disgusting but that is what they are all about.

What grates is all the karma bull**** when Shankland does catch him on the top of the foot studs up. You can see Rockys leg recoil in the replay from the impact, thats a sore one. Can also see it in the still pic from behind the goal facing Shankland.

Would need to see it again but looked to me Devlin jumped over the ball into Rocky in the challenge. Rocky went in hard to try rescue his own mess but he's played the ball halfway up the park so no question it's a good tackle.
Haven't seen it back but wonder if it has been missed Devlin jumped into him in trying to protect himself from getting clattered.

In the Gordon thread here there's about 2 comments in bad taste - they label us a disgrace for it inspite of the glee from them at Boyle's injury. Then on the Rocky thread there's vast majority giving it the Karama **** and hoping it's serious and only a few calling out the bad taste. In amongst it all a few saying the likes, 'lets not stoop to their level' - unreal.

Hope Rocky has a speedy recovery from what will no doubt be a serious injury

[loanheadhibby]

Capitulation....seriously. Yes we got beat...again but 2nd half we pushed all the way without the rewards but capitulation...no chance. I hate getting beat of that mob but no one can say hibs didnt try today.

Wow, that’s some take after a 3 goal drubbing mate. We certainly played well but at the end of the day, we lost heavily against our bitter rivals.

If you can’t see the final score as capitulation, same as last derby, then your head is in the sand. You might be happy with our performance and not overly concerned about the final score line but for me, that’s a hammering.

[DJ HIBBY]

Yet I bet you cant name any howlers from him that have led to goals this season?

Which we cant say for Porto or Hanlon.

Know what you are saying but the common denominator between our defence being fairly solid and now shipping goals left right and centre is Rocky coming into the team. I did say individually he has been good but as a defensive unit we have regressed since he was put in the team. That all said wish him well on his recovery from injury

[Heisenberg]

Know what you are saying but the common denominator between our defence being fairly solid and now shipping goals left right and centre is Rocky coming into the team. I did say individually he has been good but as a defensive unit we have regressed since he was put in the team. That all said wish him well on his recovery from injury

I agree with this unfortunately. It’s just not worked for whatever reason. If Porteous goes we are going to be left with Fish and Hanlon which will be even worse. Going to need signings in quickly to deal with it.

[McGruber]

I agree with this unfortunately. It’s just not worked for whatever reason. If Porteous goes we are going to be left with Fish and Hanlon which will be even worse. Going to need signings in quickly to deal with it.

They won't let Porteous go with Rocky out for the season, not without replacements in first...... surely

[Callum_62]

Wow, that’s some take after a 3 goal drubbing mate. We certainly played well but at the end of the day, we lost heavily against our bitter rivals.

If you can’t see the final score as capitulation, same as last derby, then your head is in the sand. You might be happy with our performance and not overly concerned about the final score line but for me, that’s a hammering.Im not sure you know what capitulation means

Lack of quality in key moments is what done us yesterday, not effort of 'resistance'

noun

noun:*capitulation;*plural noun:*capitulations

the action of*ceasing*to resist an*opponent*or demand.



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[Allant1981]

Im not sure you know what capitulation means

Lack of quality in key moments is what done us yesterday, not effort of 'resistance'

noun

noun:*capitulation;*plural noun:*capitulations

the action of*ceasing*to resist an*opponent*or demand.



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[LaMotta]

Know what you are saying but the common denominator between our defence being fairly solid and now shipping goals left right and centre is Rocky coming into the team. I did say individually he has been good but as a defensive unit we have regressed since he was put in the team. That all said wish him well on his recovery from injury

Dont think thats actually true though. We shipped 6 goals at Celtic park without Rocky. He came in the week after that.

Our form then only started to dip after Boyle got injured which has far more to do with our poor results I would say. Our defense was already brutal without Rocky.

[Greenbeard]

Wow, that’s some take after a 3 goal drubbing mate. We certainly played well but at the end of the day, we lost heavily against our bitter rivals.

If you can’t see the final score as capitulation, same as last derby, then your head is in the sand. You might be happy with our performance and not overly concerned about the final score line but for me, that’s a hammering.
Can only laugh quietly at folk who use bigger words than their IQ and embarrass themselves. You need to buy a dictionary.

[Greenbeard]

Any news on the injury?

[hibsbollah]

We tend to get quite lucky with the severity of injuries so i'll guess its just a mild one.

[superfurryhibby]

Dont think thats actually true though. We shipped 6 goals at Celtic park without Rocky. He came in the week after that.

Our form then only started to dip after Boyle got injured which has far more to do with our poor results I would say. Our defense was already brutal without Rocky.

Exactly that.

Hibs had already lost to St Mirren, Kilmarnock and Dundee Utd before being pumped by Celtic in a match where Bushiri came on as a substitute. The loss of Boyle has been a much larger part of our continuing inconsistent-poor form. Someone who can be arsed can probably compare points won-lost etc, if they care enough. However, I think it's a bit simplistic to attribute our poor form to Rocky's return to the side.
If we were being harsh, Porto has been much more of a consistent liability defensively than the Rocky fellae.

Hopefully the news on Rocky isn't as bad as we fear. He's been one of our most consistent performers since he came back into the team. I love his attitude and commitment.

[LaMotta]

Exactly that.

Hibs had already lost to St Mirren, Kilmarnock and Dundee Utd before being pumped by Celtic in a match where Bushiri came on as a substitute. The loss of Boyle has been a much larger part of our continuing inconsistent-poor form. Someone who can be arsed can probably compare points won-lost etc, if they care enough. However, I think it's a bit simplistic to attribute our poor form to Rocky's return to the side.
If we were being harsh, Porto has been much more of a consistent liability defensively than the Rocky fellae.

Hopefully the news on Rocky isn't as bad as we fear. He's been one of our most consistent performers since he came back into the team. I love his attitude and commitment.

:agree: agree totally with all this.

[DIXIHIBS]

Wow, that’s some take after a 3 goal drubbing mate. We certainly played well but at the end of the day, we lost heavily against our bitter rivals.

If you can’t see the final score as capitulation, same as last derby, then your head is in the sand. You might be happy with our performance and not overly concerned about the final score line but for me, that’s a hammering.

So you say we played well AND we capitulated? At no point did i say i was happy with the scoreline. I thought the way played didnt reflect the scoreline. Think we should just leave it there.

[hibsbollah]

Anyone seen Jacob Blaney? Can he step up from the development team? Who’s the other CB? McIntyre and Meghan are full backs aren’t they?

[Hibbyradge]

We tend to get quite lucky with the severity of injuries so i'll guess its just a mild one.

Probably just a bad cold.

[hibsbollah]

Probably just a bad cold.

:agree: there’s a lot of it about at the moment.

[B.H.F.C]

Dont think thats actually true though. We shipped 6 goals at Celtic park without Rocky. He came in the week after that.

Our form then only started to dip after Boyle got injured which has far more to do with our poor results I would say. Our defense was already brutal without Rocky.

Rocky came on at half time at Parkhead, shipped three in both halves.

That game was the turning point. Johnson decided to change a defence that had been performing well (bringing Stevenson in who cost us a goal within 5 minutes). The then proceeded to slaughter the players and, IMO, we’ve never recovered from that day.

[hibsbollah]

Rocky came on at half time at Parkhead, shipped three in both halves.

That game was the turning point. Johnson decided to change a defence that had been performing well (bringing Stevenson in who cost us a goal within 5 minutes). The then proceeded to slaughter the players and, IMO, we’ve never recovered from that day.

That’s the point I think, Rocky only started the following week. I’m not sure an inability to stop the best attack in Scotland on rampant form when already 3-0 down at halftime is a strong argument for pinning blame on the boy.

[B.H.F.C]

That’s the point I think, Rocky only started the following week. I’m not sure an inability to stop the best attack in Scotland on rampant form when already 3-0 down at halftime is a strong argument for pinning blame on the boy.

Neither do I and I haven’t. But I think the subsequent regression in the defence with him at the heart of it says something. It’s absolutely not all down to him but I just don’t see the positivity about his performances that others do. He’s been spoken about as being our best player this season (I know it’s a pretty low bar) but we’re utterly shambolic in that area of the park. I think his attitude is spot on and his pace and strength gets him out of trouble at times (which isn’t a bad thing) but I don’t think he’s a good centre half and I don’t think he has a positive influence on that part of the team.

[hibsbollah]

Neither do I and I haven’t. But I think the subsequent regression in the defence with him at the heart of it says something. It’s absolutely not all down to him but I just don’t see the positivity about his performances that others do. He’s been spoken about as being our best player this season (I know it’s a pretty low bar) but we’re utterly shambolic in that area of the park. I think his attitude is spot on and his pace and strength gets him out of trouble at times (which isn’t a bad thing) but I don’t think he’s a good centre half and I don’t think he has a positive influence on that part of the team.

Yeah that’s your view. I don’t think it’s fair (defending is a team game, a leaky defence can still have a top performer at its heart, plenty of other examples of this, particularly when your cb partner is on maverick form, you have weak full backs and the manager has given up on finding a shielding midfielder in front of you) but we’ve been over that before. I’d build a defence around him.

[I'm Spartacus]

We tend to get quite lucky with the severity of injuries so i'll guess its just a mild one.

Quote of the morning so far in work

"Given how quickly Rocky recovered from having his leg cut off by Shankland, you can guarantee he's our running a marathon this morning"

[LaMotta]

Neither do I and I haven’t. But I think the subsequent regression in the defence with him at the heart of it says something. It’s absolutely not all down to him but I just don’t see the positivity about his performances that others do. He’s been spoken about as being our best player this season (I know it’s a pretty low bar) but we’re utterly shambolic in that area of the park. I think his attitude is spot on and his pace and strength gets him out of trouble at times (which isn’t a bad thing) but I don’t think he’s a good centre half and I don’t think he has a positive influence on that part of the team.

You could be right but one thing worth considering is that although we had 4 clean sheets before Rocky came back in, 3 of those 4 clean sheets came against 10 men. Shocking defending at Livvy and St mirren also saw us lose both games.

So i think its hard to say definitively that the defence has got much worse collectively since he came back in.

I suppose with him being out now we may get more of an indication either way.

[hibsbollah]

Quote of the morning so far in work

"Given how quickly Rocky recovered from having his leg cut off by Shankland, you can guarantee he's our running a marathon this morning"

Im fortunate in that im working from home this morning and this afternoon the only people in the office dont follow football.
Just put something unpleasant in their tea.

[hibsbollah]

Anyone seen Jacob Blaney? Can he step up from the development team? Who’s the other CB? McIntyre and Meghan are full backs aren’t they?

Anyone?

[B.H.F.C]

You could be right but one thing worth considering is that although we had 4 clean sheets before Rocky came back in, 3 of those 4 clean sheets came against 10 men. Shocking defending at Livvy and St mirren also saw us lose both games.

So i think its hard to say definitively that the defence has got much worse collectively since he came back in.

I suppose with him being out now we may get more of an indication either way.

Depends who you end up playing I suppose. For me, Porteous and Hanlon is the better partnership (I appreciate none of them have been good this season but I think that partnership gives us a better opportunity).

But if we have to bring Fish in, for example, I don’t think that’s going to be an improvement on Rocky.

I do think Rocky has some good attributes and can probably be coached, I just don’t see as much in his performances this season as others.

[EdinMike]

Suspected broken leg according to The Scotsman…

“ the injury news was not particularly good either. Bushiri has a suspected broken leg following a late challenge on Cammy Devlin..”

[nonshinyfinish]

Suspected broken leg according to The Scotsman…

“ the injury news was not particularly good either. Bushiri has a suspected broken leg following a late challenge on Cammy Devlin..”

Is this new info or just them rephrasing LJ saying he hoped it wasn't a break?

[McD]

Anyone?


Megwa has played CB in the matches I’ve seen, might be a bit small for playing there in the first team at the moment

[McGruber]

Watched the incident back - god knows what he is doing with the dribbling but he's eventually injured when he goes in to play the ball and Devlin jumps over the ball into the man and lands on his leg with his leg is under him. If Devlin went for the ball the injury doesn't happen but he goes to jump into Rocky and he comes away with a bad injury. Absolutely no doubt Devlin has no intention of causing injury, I'm not insinuating that just trying to make it awkward/protect the ball - doesn't help the big man though.

[Carheenlea]

Suspected broken leg according to The Scotsman…

“ the injury news was not particularly good either. Bushiri has a suspected broken leg following a late challenge on Cammy Devlin..”

You’d have to imagine if it was a broken leg they’d know by now. (Unless he’s getting treated through the NHS and is still lying on a trolly waiting to be seen)

[hibsbollah]

Watched the incident back - god knows what he is doing with the dribbling but he's eventually injured when he goes in to play the ball and Devlin jumps over the ball into the man and lands on his leg with his leg is under him. If Devlin went for the ball the injury doesn't happen but he goes to jump into Rocky and he comes away with a bad injury. Absolutely no doubt Devlin has no intention of causing injury, I'm not insinuating that just trying to make it awkward/protect the ball - doesn't help the big man though.

I think you need to look at the scenario, 2 nil down with the opposition down to 10 men in the cup with loads of injury time just announced...He's playing high risk stuff because thats what the situation calls for. He was absolutely class all game at stepping out of defence with the ball Efe-style, his distribution was pretty good as well so all in all trying to beat his man was a risk that we had to take.

[Unseen work]

Gutted for him if true and he’s out for a while.

Thought he’s been really good and out best defender all season, thought he was brilliant yesterday too.

Will be a big miss

[overdrive]

Megwa has played CB in the matches I’ve seen, might be a bit small for playing there in the first team at the moment

He looks tiny to be playing centre back. I don’t fancy introducing him to the first team (in terms of actually getting regular minutes) out of his natural position. Totally unfair on the guy.

[overdrive]

Gutted for Rocky if it is a leg break. He’s looking really good on the ball now as well.

If Porteous is sold, we need two centre backs in this week.

No doubt whatever time period Hibs state for Rocky being out, we’ll need to double.

[loanheadhibby]

So you say we played well AND we capitulated? At no point did i say i was happy with the scoreline. I thought the way played didnt reflect the scoreline. Think we should just leave it there.

You do realise you can do both and in the same game? We can play well and then fold like a pack of cards.

When it went 2 0, I thought our reaction could have been better. It was only once Shankland was red carded we started to press them again. If we got a goal back after 75 mins, it was all to play for.

Understandably, heads went down after 2nd goal. However there was plenty time left.

[WeeRussell]

Disgusting but that is what they are all about.

What grates is all the karma bull**** when Shankland does catch him on the top of the foot studs up. You can see Rockys leg recoil in the replay from the impact, thats a sore one. Can also see it in the still pic from behind the goal facing Shankland.

Would need to see it again but looked to me Devlin jumped over the ball into Rocky in the challenge. Rocky went in hard to try rescue his own mess but he's played the ball halfway up the park so no question it's a good tackle.
Haven't seen it back but wonder if it has been missed Devlin jumped into him in trying to protect himself from getting clattered.

In the Gordon thread here there's about 2 comments in bad taste - they label us a disgrace for it inspite of the glee from them at Boyle's injury. Then on the Rocky thread there's vast majority giving it the Karama **** and hoping it's serious and only a few calling out the bad taste. In amongst it all a few saying the likes, 'lets not stoop to their level' - unreal.

Hope Rocky has a speedy recovery from what will no doubt be a serious injury

Yep, still to see the incidents played back from Sunday too.

Two things that stand out from that telling thread on their forum: their justification for hoping Rocky has a long-term injury because he apparently tried to nail poor innocent “wee cammy” who spends his career being a dirty, niggly, snivelling wee ****. And this insistence that we, and all our players, are irrelevant to them - given all they ever seem to talk or care about is us!

“Irrelevant” appears to just be one of their wee soundbites like “pleasing”… maybe they don’t actually know what it means.

[Hibby70]

Has there been any confirmation of his injury?

[Logie]

Has there been any confirmation of his injury?

Delayed 24 hours I believe. He’s probably still waiting in a hall way in A&E!

[I'm Spartacus]

Still no word? Someone must have some info, I'm guessing it's not as bad as we feared.

[MelbourneHibees]

Yeah. Keeping quiet for me would suggest we want to lull sheep into a false sense of security.

[Hibbyradge]

Yeah. Keeping quiet for me would suggest we want to lull sheep into a false sense of security.

I doubt anyone in the footballing world will be expecting to see Rocky in a Hibs shirt for a good while.

[hibsbollah]

Yeah. Keeping quiet for me would suggest we want to lull sheep into a false sense of security.

Always a good tactic :agree:

[wookie70]

I doubt anyone in the footballing world will be expecting to see Rocky in a Hibs shirt for a good while. He was holding his knee so I am suspecting ACL. I'd be surprised if he is back this season going by where the injury is and the pain and distress he was showing. Given our wee knocks usually end up out for months Rocky will be well beyond that. Such a shame given the huge progress we have seen in his performance this season. Hope he comes back stronger like Nisbet did.

[Jones28]

I don't think we'll see him again until next season. Minimum.

[St Pauli Hibee]

Scotsman reporting its looking more likely that he has broken his leg, if so that is his season over

[Real Emerald]

Still no word? Someone must have some info, I'm guessing it's not as bad as we feared.

It’s a real shame for him and Hibs.

At least we’ll not be able to sell him this window.

[Jones28]

Rocky has won the second highest number of challenges in the league this season.

https://twitter.com/football_scot/status/1634162460134449154?s=46&t=LWpyA25jn7_ojIH7KWfnGg

[Donegal Hibby]

Rocky has won the second highest number of challenges in the league this season.

https://twitter.com/football_scot/status/1634162460134449154?s=46&t=LWpyA25jn7_ojIH7KWfnGg

Seen this yesterday about Bushiri getting a international call up , apologies if already posted .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-defender-rocky-bushiri-makes-national-team-decision-following-belgium-under-21-caps-4056976