Forget it and go again

[MWHIBBIES]

A real stinker today, but let's be honest,Celtic can beat anyone, including Rangers like that.

Learn from it and move on. Big match on Friday. Big crowd and performance required.

[S4uzee]

A real stinker today, but let's be honest,Celtic can beat anyone, including Rangers like that.

Learn from it and move on. Big match on Friday. Big crowd and performance required.

Suppose it makes it alright that Celtic can do that to anyone eh. We don’t tend to lose heavily like that. Shambolic

[MWHIBBIES]

Suppose it makes it alright that Celtic can do that to anyone eh. We don’t tend to lose heavily like that. Shambolic

Not at all. A dreadful day and result. Do we get up and stick together or do we just meltdown and sack another manager?

[Unseen work]

Was going to start a threat saying the same.

Poor performance, some really poor individual performances and some shocking defending.

Learn from it and get ready for Friday.

Celtic are a very good team and can do that against most teams in the league, not a case of over analysing everything and starting again.

Also Kenneh needs to work on his composure and ability when under pressure. 3 air swipes in the second half.

[JohnM1875]

A real stinker today, but let's be honest,Celtic can beat anyone, including Rangers like that.

Learn from it and move on. Big match on Friday. Big crowd and performance required.

Actually agree.

Before I would have been absolutely fizzing by that result today. I'm still pissed off and expected a bit more, but I'm already looking forward to the game on Friday.

[Brightside]

A real stinker today, but let's be honest,Celtic can beat anyone, including Rangers like that.

Learn from it and move on. Big match on Friday. Big crowd and performance required.

I wont blame the players for that today. LJ has to understand how much better Celtic are and learn to setup us up to be hard to beat. That was amateur stuff.

[judas]

A real stinker today, but let's be honest,Celtic can beat anyone, including Rangers like that.

Learn from it and move on. Big match on Friday. Big crowd and performance required.

I’m not interested in this game.

It’s not an even contest any more than Rangers v Liverpool, or Celtic vs Real Madrid. No idea why anyone would get bent out of shape about these fixtures.

Personally, I would set up with an anti entertainment strategy and incentivise the players to keep the score down.

Anything else us ideological driven drivel, guaranteed to fail almost every time.

[Pretty Boy]

A post mortem of that is for the the players and manager. For me it's done. Fans of every other side, including Rangers already, will have a day like that against Celtic this season.

It won't define the next 7 days, never mind the season. Pints and a big game on Friday that we really should be winning. Can't wait.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

They have literally just lost to St Mirren, and needed a goal 5 mins into injury time to beat St Johnstone, but a 6-1 hounding is almost a good result in some people's eyes 🤣🤣

[Glory Lurker]

Everybody else will get a total doing through there. It's almost a non fixture now unfortunately. It's what we do in the others that will be important and we're doing no bad there.

All eyes on Friday. I'm much more thinking about that than what's just happened. Hoping for not only a win but a swashbuckling performance against St J - it's been long enough!!

GGTTH.

[He's here!]

Was going to start a threat saying the same.

Poor performance, some really poor individual performances and some shocking defending.

Learn from it and get ready for Friday.

Celtic are a very good team and can do that against most teams in the league, not a case of over analysing everything and starting again.

Also Kenneh needs to work on his composure and ability when under pressure. 3 air swipes in the second half.


There's really nothing to learn. On their day Celtic are simply on a different planet ability-wise to Hibs and the rest of the also-rans, but everyone knows that already.

[Alfred E Newman]

I’m not interested in this game.

It’s not an even contest any more than Rangers v Liverpool, or Celtic vs Real Madrid. No idea why anyone would get bent out of shape about these fixtures.

Personally, I would set up with an anti entertainment strategy and incentivise the players to keep the score down.

Anything else us ideological driven drivel, guaranteed to fail almost every time.

I don’t think the loyal travelling support would share your sentiment after stumping up 30 odd quid to watch that.

[Allant1981]

There's really nothing to learn. On their day Celtic are simply on a different planet ability-wise to Hibs and the rest of the also-rans, but everyone knows that already.

Of course there is something to learn,the marking/defending was terrible

[Unseen work]

There's really nothing to learn. On their day Celtic are simply on a different planet ability-wise to Hibs and the rest of the also-rans, but everyone knows that already.

Whilst I agree some of our defending and play to lose goals was very poor

[Arch Stanton]

I wont blame the players for that today. LJ has to understand how much better Celtic are and learn to setup us up to be hard to beat. That was amateur stuff.

"setup us up to be hard to beat." is same as setting us up never to win Vs OF.

Not for me.

[The Harp Awakes]

They have literally just lost to St Mirren, and needed a goal 5 mins into injury time to beat St Johnstone, but a 6-1 hounding is almost a good result in some people's eyes ����

You are quite right mate. Acceptance of smashings like today is not acceptable.

It's only one game but lets not gloss over it, that was embarrassing.

[cad]

Jeez that was a hard watch.

[ManchesterGreen]

Not at all. A dreadful day and result. Do we get up and stick together or do we just meltdown and sack another manager?

Sackimg the manager isn’t the answer but questions need to be asked of the defending wouldn’t you agree ?

[He's here!]

Of course there is something to learn,the marking/defending was terrible

Or are the players just not good enough to learn to mark/defend better against far better players? We get ripped apart pretty regularly at Celtic Park and I'd be surprised if we've won more than 5 games there in the last 50 years.

[He's here!]

They have literally just lost to St Mirren, and needed a goal 5 mins into injury time to beat St Johnstone, but a 6-1 hounding is almost a good result in some people's eyes 🤣🤣

They won't always hit top gear but they're streets ahead of the rest of us. They cuffed Rangers 4-0, Killie 5-0 and, of course, United 9-0. Plenty more sides will take a pasting from Celtic this season. That's just the depressing reality.

[GreenGray]

No doubt some people will lose their heads like the reactionary fans they are.

Judge us after next Friday, crucial we bounce back after two losses


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[judas]

Or are the players just not good enough to learn to mark/defend better against far better players? We get ripped apart pretty regularly at Celtic Park and I'd be surprised if we've won more than 5 games there in the last 50 years.

You’ve answered your own, presumably rhetorical, question.

We literally aren’t good enough to beat Celtic on a remotely consistent basis. The gulf is enormous and driven by vastly different resource levels.

I don’t know why people grapple with this point.

[Allant1981]

Or are the players just not good enough to learn to mark/defend better against far better players? We get ripped apart pretty regularly at Celtic Park and I'd be surprised if we've won more than 5 games there in the last 50 years.

If they can't learn from that then they have issues, they will watch the movement from the celtic players and see where they went wrong so that it hopefully doesn't happen again, there will be loads to learn from that

[BS44]

They have literally just lost to St Mirren, and needed a goal 5 mins into injury time to beat St Johnstone, but a 6-1 hounding is almost a good result in some people's eyes 🤣🤣

What do you propose except panic?

[Hibees1973]

Cannot just say, forget it, we move on.

There was no semblance of an organised line up today to get a result through there. Did Johnson analyse previous games Celtic had, for example St Mirren, St Johnstone & Motherwell and learn anything from them. Obviously not.

From that line up it appears his tactic was just to have a go and go toe to toe with Celtic. To play two wide players, a central striker and only one sitting midfield player shows complete incompetence. To put Kenneh, a naive, inexperienced, raw teenager with around a dozen 1st team games as the only holding midfield player was like putting a lamb to the slaughter. Kenneh won't have learned anything from today. It's likely to have knocked out the little confidence he had.

If this is going to be Johnson's approach when we go through to Glasgow we ain't going to win anything with him at the helm. Particularly with the dross that he has got to select with.

[Since452]

Result has barely even registered. Bigger game coming on Friday night.

[CallumLaidlaw]

A real stinker today, but let's be honest,Celtic can beat anyone, including Rangers like that.

Learn from it and move on. Big match on Friday. Big crowd and performance required.

100% agree. We’ll be judged on the next 4 games, not today.


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[A Hi-Bee]

I’m not interested in this game.

It’s not an even contest any more than Rangers v Liverpool, or Celtic vs Real Madrid. No idea why anyone would get bent out of shape about these fixtures.

Personally, I would set up with an anti entertainment strategy and incentivise the players to keep the score down.

Anything else us ideological driven drivel, guaranteed to fail almost every time.

Is that no what LeVain tried to do a few times, ffs I wid rather get humped by 5 or 6 goals that sit watching anti-football with my eyes bleeding, no thanks. I do expect a bit more fight and the result is poor.

[judas]

I don’t think the loyal travelling support would share your sentiment after stumping up 30 odd quid to watch that.

That’s their choice.

I am assuming they are aware of the chances of success based on simple statistical evidence and that they can see the enormous disparity in club resource and budgets?!

[NAE NOOKIE]

A real stinker today, but let's be honest,Celtic can beat anyone, including Rangers like that.

Learn from it and move on. Big match on Friday. Big crowd and performance required.

Absolutely this :aok:

You can learn even from disasters like this and that's what we need to do. It's not a case of ripping everything up and starting again, it's a case of using it as a motivation to get better, win our next game, and resolve never to let it happen again. Yes this is about tactics and individual performances, but more than that it's about character ..... Friday will tell us exactly what this team and manager are made of.

Fans can put even results like this behind them, so long as they aren't followed up with a similar poor display in the following game. If I recall correctly we beat Hearts at Easter Road a week after a 7 goal pasting at Ibrox a few decades ago .... like I said ... character.

[MWHIBBIES]

Sackimg the manager isn’t the answer but questions need to be asked of the defending wouldn’t you agree ?

Yes, that is why I said we must learn from it.

[judas]

Is that no what LeVain tried to do a few times, ffs I wid rather get humped by 5 or 6 goals that sit watching anti-football with my eyes bleeding, no thanks. I do expect a bit more fight and the result is poor.

Fair enough, then you won’t be too bothered about regular massive losses to the OF.

[ManchesterGreen]

Yes, that is why I said we must learn from it.


Yeah yeah but how long have we been and how long are we going to keep churning out this line ? We’ve been bleating this for years now.

[He's here!]

If they can't learn from that then they have issues, they will watch the movement from the celtic players and see where they went wrong so that it hopefully doesn't happen again, there will be loads to learn from that

They can watch and see where they went wrong but are they good enough footballers to prevent it happening again? Maybe one or two of the younger players will but overall it's unlikely IMHO. That's essentially why they're playing for Hibs (and the same applies to all top flight clubs outwith the top two)

Today was first v third. On paper (in a competitive league) this would be seen as a potentially close game. The fact is, however, that as the third-placed team we have lost to the bottom team in the league (albeit a little unluckily) and been thrashed by the top team in the space of five days. It just underlines how little third place in this two-team league actually means.

[neil7908]

A real stinker today, but let's be honest,Celtic can beat anyone, including Rangers like that.

Learn from it and move on. Big match on Friday. Big crowd and performance required.

Agreed. As others have said though the manager must learn. If we go to Ibrox in a couple of months and set up the same way I'll be raging.

[A Hi-Bee]

Fair enough, then you won’t be too bothered about regular massive losses to the OF.

As I said before it is not the first time I have seen my team lose 6 or more goals in the weedge, pretty sure it will not be the last (at least I hope I is still around) bothered is certainly the wrong word to use. It pisses me off big time, but its no the end of the world and a lot more things going on in the world than my team getting humped.

[Since452]

Hibs playing in Glasgow feels like an international break. Feels like a waste of a weekend. Fair play to those that travelled through but it its not for me.

[Donegal Hibby]

Not at all. A dreadful day and result. Do we get up and stick together or do we just meltdown and sack another manager?
It is a dreadful day no doubt about it but let's Stick together and back the team and the manager It's what proper Hibs fans would do.

PERSEVERE. :flag:

[A Hi-Bee]

They can watch and see where they went wrong but are they good enough footballers to prevent it happening again? Maybe one or two of the younger players will but overall it's unlikely IMHO. That's essentially why they're playing for Hibs (and the same applies to all top flight clubs outwith the top two)

Today was first v third. On paper (in a competitive league) this would be seen as a potentially close game. The fact is, however, that as the third-placed team we have lost to the bottom team in the league (albeit a little unluckily) and been thrashed by the top team in the space of five days. It just underlines how little third place in this two-team league actually means.


I bring you once more from the bbc website even they can see the huge disparity which will only grow ever more wider-

FT: Celtic 6-1 Hibernian

After Rangers and Hearts were thumped again in midweek, while Celtic slumped to another home Champions League defeat, it was being suggested by some that the financial gap was too great for Scottish clubs to compete with the best in Europe.
Celtic returned to domestic action to thump third-top Hibs 6-1 to emphasise a similar gap exists between Scotland's top two and the rest of the Premiership.


All we can do is fight a bit more perhaps be a bit smarter at times, the financial gulf always means the game is never played on a level playing field. That is Scottish football.

[H18 SFR]

Not read the actual OP but I agree with the thread title - bin it, win the back to back games at Easter Road to make it 18/24 points.

The ppg over the period of 8 games will still be outstanding.

[EastCalderHibby]

You are quite right mate. Acceptance of smashings like today is not acceptable.

It's only one game but lets not gloss over it, that was embarrassing.

CELTIC ARE only as good as you let them be . if you stand 10 yards away from them then its to easy to play through you , yes they have better players than everyone else but its 11 v 11 go at them dont give them all the time they need to make a pass .st mirren being the answer

[Steve20]

Can we stop with this ‘it’s Celtic. They’ll do it to anyone’ stuff. It’s not an excuse for such a pathetic performance.

And even if you’re willing to accept losing to them, we should be winning at St Mirren and Dundee Utd. We lost them too. So where do they points come back from?

This club needs the loser mentality stamped out it, otherwise we will continue with season after season of mediocrity at best.

[MWHIBBIES]

Can we stop with this ‘it’s Celtic. They’ll do it to anyone’ stuff. It’s not an excuse for such a pathetic performance.

And even if you’re willing to accept losing to them, we should be winning at St Mirren and Dundee Utd. We lost them too. So where do they points come back from?

This club needs the loser mentality stamped out it, otherwise we will continue with season after season of mediocrity at best.

You're right mate, posts on this forum will determine our season...

[MWHIBBIES]

Yeah yeah but how long have we been and how long are we going to keep churning out this line ? We’ve been bleating this for years now.

Probably forever. You never stop learning in life.

[Dashing Bob S]

Yes indeed. Have written off feasibly competing in Glasgow this season, the financial disparities are too much now. All we can enjoy is the same gloating when the OF are rendered similar target practice by European clubs.

I feel much more upset when we lost at Tannadice.

[Alfred E Newman]

That’s their choice.

I am assuming they are aware of the chances of success based on simple statistical evidence and that they can see the enormous disparity in club resource and budgets?!

I am sure they do but I’m sure they don’t expect to see their side capitulate like today.
Of course by your argument we should have no problem turning over St Johnstone on Friday.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hibs playing in Glasgow feels like an international break. Feels like a waste of a weekend. Fair play to those that travelled through but it its not for me.

It a good day out with your pals for a bevvy, but the result is rarely enjoyable.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Thankfully a lot of the opinions on this thread don't echo those of LJ, who will be judging players on this result and won't fall into the 'this game doesn't matter' camp. Which is relieving to hear.

A 2/3-0 defeat with some flashes of a performance. Maybe we could do that. A hammering with mistakes throughout is very different.

[ManchesterGreen]

Probably forever. You never stop learning in life.

That certainly doesn’t seem to be the case with a few members of this Hibs team.

[blackpoolhibs]

Over the course of the best part of 50 odd years watching hibs, i have learnt that you cant go to celtic park with a team as open as that was during the first half and expect to win.

I have also learnt over the same period, Hibs will struggle against them trying to match them in style and formation.

Hopefully our manager will learn this a bit quicker than the 50 odd years i've been watching it.

Dont know how better we did in the 2nd half although seeing the score, not much.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Over the course of the best part of 50 odd years watching hibs, i have learnt that you cant go to celtic park with a team as open as that was during the first half and expect to win.

I have also learnt over the same period, Hibs will struggle against them trying to match them in style and formation.

Hopefully our manager will learn this a bit quicker than the 50 odd years i've been watching it.

Dont know how better we did in the 2nd half although seeing the score, not much.

It's either brave or stupid to adopt that approach against a much better team. Man United did the same thing at Man City a couple of weeks ago and also conceded six.

[Steven1985]

A real stinker today, but let's be honest,Celtic can beat anyone, including Rangers like that.

Learn from it and move on. Big match on Friday. Big crowd and performance required.

Jolly well said Sir

[OstKurve Hibs]

I’m not interested in this game.

It’s not an even contest any more than Rangers v Liverpool, or Celtic vs Real Madrid. No idea why anyone would get bent out of shape about these fixtures.

Personally, I would set up with an anti entertainment strategy and incentivise the players to keep the score down.

Anything else us ideological driven drivel, guaranteed to fail almost every time.

What you say makes sense, said to my nephew on the way out, we hardly every beat celtic, but I reckon we still prob take more points of them with draws than anyone outside of rangers who will beat them here and there.
I know draws arent great or much to shout about but anything you can get of either of those two is a bonus.
99/100 money wins.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Tough watch Today, got carved open far too often, with them having the freedom to have a field day with us. Needed to be better and stronger, poor day from many

[Liam978]

Tough watch Today, got carved open far too often, with them having the freedom to have a field day with us. Needed to be better and stronger, poor day from many

Spot on Stevie boy, too much hillarity over Scottish teams results in europe meant it was an accident waiting to happen. Especially when you take into consideration our record of conceding 5 or 6 against them more than any other team. Even the Tornadoes in a few occasions, really hard to take.

[Carheenlea]

There’s a strong chance that Celtic will take 10 off someone some time soon.

While it’s not in our nature or the will of the fans to go through there and do what others will do and basically shut up shop and hope for a counter attack or two, it might have to be the way to go.

Doesn’t feel like that long ago we were going through to Glasgow and coming home disappointed if we didn’t win. All a bit depressing really.

[Jim44]

They have literally just lost to St Mirren, and needed a goal 5 mins into injury time to beat St Johnstone, but a 6-1 hounding is almost a good result in some people's eyes 🤣🤣

It’s not almost a good result. It was a poor result but academic because most teams will lose to Celtic. Do St Mirren and St Johnstone results against a poor Celtic performance make them good teams ……. nah. We’ll bounce back.

[He's here!]

Thankfully a lot of the opinions on this thread don't echo those of LJ, who will be judging players on this result and won't fall into the 'this game doesn't matter' camp. Which is relieving to hear.

A 2/3-0 defeat with some flashes of a performance. Maybe we could do that. A hammering with mistakes throughout is very different.

He's implied he knows some of the players simply aren't good enough in his post-match comments.

[gbhibby]

Not good enough. Shouldn't be having results like that total embarrassment. It's only Celtic, don't want excuses about the difference in budgets etc. Rangers went there and shipped 4 goals, we all know how Celtic play so suitable game plan was required.

[Frazerbob]

Not good enough. Shouldn't be having results like that total embarrassment. It's only Celtic, don't want excuses about the difference in budgets etc. Rangers went there and shipped 4 goals, we all know how Celtic play so suitable game plan was required.

It's not an excuse, it's a reason. Our results recently against them have been pretty decent....4 draws and 3 one goal defeats I'm sure I read. In that time, I'm going to guess most other clubs took a doing at their hands. Today was our turn. We've also suffered similar results at various points over the 40 odd years I've been supporting the club. Water off a duck's back for me these days. Friday is a FAR bigger game.

[McGruber]

"setup us up to be hard to beat." is same as setting us up never to win Vs OF.

Not for me.

No it's not. That's a very simplistic view. There's many ways to skin a cat. I applaud Johnson's bravery in having a go like that and going toe to toe but that's a very difficult assignment at Parkhead at the best of times and even then everyone needs to be on their 'A' game. There were too many yesterday that had shockers and it was a recipe for disaster.
I would change the title of the thread to learn from it and move on.
Until we are more of a finished article, until we are better at playing our own game and going at them becomes more of a viable option you have to go and make it difficult for them. You go and make it tight, be compact and with the pace in our team play on the counter attack. It's not playing to get beat, you just have a game plan. Even if it is to stifle the game for 70 mins then change shape and put on a striker and go at them for the last 20 mins - open up in the last quarter and go for it. Not quite rope a dope stuff, just have a strategy to win the game.

Was naive from Johnson yesterday. He's already forgiven, hope he learns. It's equally niave to think you can only win the game of football with all out attack

How many times have we seen teams come to Easter Road and sit in, we struggle to break them down and we are suckered late on.

Move on to Friday

[Sir David Gray]

It's not an excuse, it's a reason. Our results recently against them have been pretty decent....4 draws and 3 one goal defeats I'm sure I read. In that time, I'm going to guess most other clubs took a doing at their hands. Today was our turn. We've also suffered similar results at various points over the 40 odd years I've been supporting the club. Water off a duck's back for me these days. Friday is a FAR bigger game.

Prior to yesterday our last 7 results v Celtic were;

4 draws, one single goal defeat and two two goal defeats.

So 4 draws and 3 defeats with a goal difference of minus 4.

In comparison the rest of the league's record over that time is;

Aberdeen - 1 draw and 6 defeats with a goal difference of minus 7.
Dundee Utd - 3 draws and 4 defeats with a goal difference of minus 16.
Hearts - 1 win, 1 draw and 5 defeats with a goal difference of minus 7.
Kilmarnock - 1 draw and 6 defeats with a goal difference of minus 17.
Livingston - 1 win, 3 draws and 3 defeats with a goal difference of minus 8.
Motherwell - 7 defeats with a goal difference of minus 18.
Rangers - 3 wins, 1 draw and 3 defeats with a goal difference of minus 3.
Ross County - 1 win and 6 defeats with a goal difference of minus 14.
St Johnstone - 7 defeats with a goal difference of minus 18.
St Mirren - 2 wins, 1 draw and 4 defeats with a goal difference of minus 10.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

We won't be the last team to get a sore one from Celtc this season. Not unexpected that after a few ropey results, there would be a side who took a hiding.

[Just_Jimmy]

Rather we throw a performance and result like that against Celtic than anyone else.

We won't achieve or fail at our targets this season in games against Celtic.

I think LJ got it wrong but I also kind of understand, it's a free hit and if they have an off day and we turn up there's a chance we could catch them. I don't think it's likely but we could have gone 4,5,1 and lost 2-0 with no shots on goal...that's ***** too.

There's no real answer, the gap is huge and competition in Scotland on that scale is bust.

Beat the other teams and anything against those 2 away is simply a bonus.

Had that been at ER, then it's a different conversation.

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[B.H.F.C]

Never expected us to win yesterday but never expected that.

Big reality check for us.

Thought a lot of the old failings reappeared. I’ll be amazed if Magennis isn’t back in the team now.

[B.H.F.C]

Rather we throw a performance and result like that against Celtic than anyone else.

We won't achieve or fail at our targets this season in games against Celtic.

I think LJ got it wrong but I also kind of understand, it's a free hit and if they have an off day and we turn up there's a chance we could catch them. I don't think it's likely but we could have gone 4,5,1 and lost 2-0 with no shots on goal...that's ***** too.

There's no real answer, the gap is huge and competition in Scotland on that scale is bust.

Beat the other teams and anything against those 2 away is simply a bonus.

Had that been at ER, then it's a different conversation.

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Never understand all this ‘free hit’ chat or excusing it because it’s Celtic.

It’s a reflection of where we are as a team. We gifted Celtic that yesterday and let them wander around and do and they pleased for much of the game.

Whenever we have a good team we’ll go and compete with them as a minimum. Lennon’s team that got a record points total or Ross’s team that finished third in recent times showed that. The current team showed that we are a fair way from being a good side, despite some promising signs.

[Hermit Crab]

How many points have we picked up against 11 men this season?

[Sir David Gray]

How many points have we picked up against 11 men this season?

4 from 6 games.

[Hermit Crab]

4 from 6 games.


Horrendous stat. Our season so far has painted a false impression as we have been playing against 10 men or less for 5 of those games and picked up 13 points in those games v 10 men or less. We toil to play against 11 men.

Against 11 men a draw against Hearts and a win away to RC who are basically the worst team in the league isn't good enough.

[Hermit Crab]

We won't be the last team to get a sore one from Celtc this season. Not unexpected that after a few ropey results, there would be a side who took a hiding.



But we barely even competed with them. Stood off them and allowed them to do what they wanted. The players either shat it or they didn't do what the manager asked them to do.

The one time in the game we kept it simple we actually put a few passes together and nicked a goal, only to immediately concede less than a minute later.

[hibsbollah]

But we barely even competed with them. Stood off them and allowed them to do what they wanted. The players either shat it or they didn't do what the manager asked them to do.

The one time in the game we kept it simple we actually put a few passes together and nicked a goal, only to immediately concede less than a minute later.

You think we lost because we didn’t ‘keep it simple’? That’s a bizarre take. We lost because their players are bought on a budget 10x ours.

[MWHIBBIES]

Horrendous stat. Our season so far has painted a false impression as we have been playing against 10 men or less for 5 of those games and picked up 13 points in those games v 10 men or less. We toil to play against 11 men.

Against 11 men a draw against Hearts and a win away to RC who are basically the worst team in the league isn't good enough.

Weird so many teams are just choosing to start with 10 men against us. It's obviously nothing to do with our good play forcing them into mistakes.

It's just a lie that we struggle against 11 men. We were the better side Vs Kilmarnock, Motherwell and Aberdeen before red cards. We also played well against United and Ross county.

Welcome back btw, missed you when we were winning every week. Good holiday?

[Just_Jimmy]

Never understand all this ‘free hit’ chat or excusing it because it’s Celtic.

It’s a reflection of where we are as a team. We gifted Celtic that yesterday and let them wander around and do and they pleased for much of the game.

Whenever we have a good team we’ll go and compete with them as a minimum. Lennon’s team that got a record points total or Ross’s team that finished third in recent times showed that. The current team showed that we are a fair way from being a good side, despite some promising signs.I'm not excusing it, I'm saying its better than against our actual competition over the full season.

Even with those teams how often did we win at Parkhead?

"Where we are as team" is 3rd with decent results against the teams around us.

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[Hermit Crab]

You think we lost because we didn’t ‘keep it simple’? That’s a bizarre take. We lost because their players are bought on a budget 10x ours.


They just lost to St Mirren who's budget is much less than ours. Needed a last minute winner vs St Johnstone. The fact that wasn't Celtics strongest team is worrying.

[Hermit Crab]

Weird so many teams are just choosing to start with 10 men against us. It's obviously nothing to do with our good play forcing them into mistakes.

It's just a lie that we struggle against 11 men. We were the better side Vs Kilmarnock, Motherwell and Aberdeen before red cards. We also played well against United and Ross county.

Welcome back btw, missed you when we were winning every week. Good holiday?


4 points in 6 games v 11 men says its not.

Not one of those games we were winning before he reds. We were 0-1 down to Aberdeen at the time as well.

[HH81]

They just lost to St Mirren who's budget is much less than ours. Needed a last minute winner vs St Johnstone. The fact that wasn't Celtics strongest team is worrying.

Anyone can be good on the day. Facts are were ahead of both them teams this season.

[MWHIBBIES]

4 points in 6 games v 11 men says its not.

Not one of those games we were winning before he reds. We were 0-1 down to Aberdeen at the time as well.

We certainly were not struggling in any of them. 2 of the red cards were for denying clear goal scoring opportunities. That's excellent play by Hibs to force those mistakes.

Where did you go, somewhere hot?

[Hermit Crab]

Anyone can be good on the day. Facts are were ahead of both them teams this season.


We lost to St Mirren in one of the worst performances of the season bar yesterday. They also have a game in hand on us. We could also be 4th today by 5pm if Hearts win at Aberdeen.

[Frazerbob]

Horrendous stat. Our season so far has painted a false impression as we have been playing against 10 men or less for 5 of those games and picked up 13 points in those games v 10 men or less. We toil to play against 11 men.

Against 11 men a draw against Hearts and a win away to RC who are basically the worst team in the league isn't good enough.

Eh you do know we didn’t play against 10 men for 90 minutes don’t you? Players get sent off for a reason.

[Hermit Crab]

We certainly were not struggling in any of them. 2 of the red cards were for denying clear goal scoring opportunities. That's excellent play by Hibs to force those mistakes.

Where did you go, somewhere hot?


The PM board.

Until we start winning against 11 men I'll continue to take the opinion that we toil 11v11

[MWHIBBIES]

The PM board.

Until we start winning against 11 men I'll continue to take the opinion that we toil 11v11

Ah right so the refs should stop sending off opposition players because you want to see us winning 11v11. Genius.

Again, why aren't you considering why these guys were sent off. The game does not start 10v11. This is an utterly ridiculous argument. Hibs deserved to win all those matches.

[Hiber-nation]

We lost to St Mirren in one of the worst performances of the season bar yesterday. They also have a game in hand on us. We could also be 4th today by 5pm if Hearts win at Aberdeen.

4th eh? So way above where you and plenty others would have predicted at this stage.

[hibsbollah]

They just lost to St Mirren who's budget is much less than ours. Needed a last minute winner vs St Johnstone. The fact that wasn't Celtics strongest team is worrying.

A) They lost the ONE game against St Mirren. That doesn’t represent a pattern of St Mirren knowing how to beat them. B) A late goal is worth the same as a 1st minute goal. C) Celtic rotate, that’s what they do. Their subs are still much better pedigree players than our first choice.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm not excusing it, I'm saying its better than against our actual competition over the full season.

Even with those teams how often did we win at Parkhead?

"Where we are as team" is 3rd with decent results against the teams around us.

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Not very often. But the performances were never like yesterday.

Under Ross we drew three times against Celtic the season we finished third. Under Lennon we drew a couple and beat them.

Yesterday we didn’t compete, right from the start.

See a lot spoken about budgets and think it’s a convenient excuse. We had a goalie dropping one in, a left back not bothering to mark and a midfielder scared of the ball yesterday. Thought it was really poor and a big reality check. I thought we were better than that.

[Donegal Hibby]

Why is it when we have a bad result some have to drag up every past bad result up too ? Yesterday was a extremely bad day we all know it but time to move on .Friday can't come soon enough now . Expecting a big reaction from the team. As to arguement about we struggle playing against 11 men I think it's a load of nonsense .more than coped against hearts and Ross county .As to other games were teams have had men sent off surely we aren't going to blame Hibs for this now too ?

[h1bs4life]

Never understand all this ‘free hit’ chat or excusing it because it’s Celtic.

It’s a reflection of where we are as a team. We gifted Celtic that yesterday and let them wander around and do and they pleased for much of the game.

Whenever we have a good team we’ll go and compete with them as a minimum. Lennon’s team that got a record points total or Ross’s team that finished third in recent times showed that. The current team showed that we are a fair way from being a good side, despite some promising signs.

Don’t agree with free hit statement either .Yesterday was an embarrassment.
Johnson is the one who has to learn from it like he does with the importance of the League Cup.
He is the man who picks the players and sets the formation / tactics.
I like Johnson and think he will do well but if he was play to them again or even the Huns away and set up the same way alarm bells would ring for me.

[MWHIBBIES]

A) They lost the ONE game against St Mirren. That doesn’t represent a pattern of St Mirren knowing how to beat them. B) A late goal is worth the same as a 1st minute goal. C) Celtic rotate, that’s what they do. Their subs are still much better pedigree players than our first choice.

Na, Stephen Robinson getting his first ever league win against old firm in over 20 tries does represent a pattern.

Late goals are lucky. Not a product of good fitness, determination and perseverance.

Hibs should be easily beating Celtic if they make 1 or 2 changes. Their subs being quality like forest, mooy etc has no bearing. Sub = crap player.

[Northernhibee]

Na, Stephen Robinson getting his first ever league win against old firm in over 20 tries does represent a pattern.

Late goals are lucky. Not a product of good fitness, determination and perseverance.

Hibs should be easily beating Celtic if they make 1 or 2 changes. Their subs being quality like forest, mooy etc has no bearing. Sub = crap player.
Late goals are not lucky, late goals are the same as early goals, goals just before half time, goals twenty seconds in or goals in the ninety second minute.

It shows a mindset to keep composure under pressure if anything.

[green day]

The PM board.

Until we start winning against 11 men I'll continue to take the opinion that we toil 11v11

Aye, and you got the same short shrift there too.

You must be listening to that drivel spouting daftie Leanne Crichton who keeps saying Hibs only win v 10 men.

In the same way as attacking teams get more pens, attacking teams get more opponents booked and sent off.

Frankly, if you couldn't see that we were the better team 11 v 11 against Aberdeen (even though they scored a freak goal)for example, then you are at it.

[MWHIBBIES]

Late goals are not lucky, late goals are the same as early goals, goals just before half time, goals twenty seconds in or goals in the ninety second minute.

It shows a mindset to keep composure under pressure if anything.

I agree totally.

[blackpoolhibs]

You think we lost because we didn’t ‘keep it simple’? That’s a bizarre take. We lost because their players are bought on a budget 10x ours.

I dont agree, yes in all honesty we probably would have still lost yesterday, but it was the manner of the loss and the way we set the team up that contributed to the loss, more than the budget in my opinion.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We certainly were not struggling in any of them. 2 of the red cards were for denying clear goal scoring opportunities. That's excellent play by Hibs to force those mistakes.

Where did you go, somewhere hot?

We weren’t able to take the lead in them though.

Whilst we weren’t necessarily under the kosh, we’ve really struggled to get ourselves ahead against 11 men this season, so yes, we were struggling, I’m not sure that’s really even debatable unless your argument is that we’re not aiming to win these games.

We’ve managed to get ahead once in 11 games against 11 men from what I can see. That’s not a great stat at all considering this amount of red cards going for us is unlikely to continue at this rate.

[MWHIBBIES]

We weren’t able to take the lead in them though.

Whilst we weren’t necessarily under the kosh, we’ve really struggled to get ourselves ahead against 11 men this season, so yes, we were struggling, I’m not sure that’s really even debatable. It’s happened once in 11 games from what I can see. That’s not a great stat at all.

Dude, 2 of the red cards were our players being hauled down when 1v1 with the goalkeeper. What else can we actually do?

We were absolutely not struggling against Kilmarnock. And we were playing Aberdeen off the park, they were so lucky to be 1-0 up.

Hibs good play got those players sent off. Thats what is not debatable.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Dude, 2 of the red cards were our players being hauled down when 1v1 with the goalkeeper. What else can we actually do?

We were absolutely not struggling against Kilmarnock. And we were playing Aberdeen off the park, they were so lucky to be 1-0 up.

Hibs good play got those players sent off. Thats what is not debatable.

I’m not saying we can do anymore in those individual moments. But we could be doing alot more throughout the rest of these games to create more.

We’re 11 games in and have taken the lead against 11 men once. Two fouls isn’t enough to write that off as something Hibs can’t improve on. We’re not doing great against 11 men. That needs to improve unless we’re going to continue getting players sent off against us at a similar frequency to what we are now. That’s unlikely though, so we’re going to need to get better at getting somewhere against 11 men.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m not saying we can do anymore in those individual moments. But we could be doing alot more throughout the rest of these games to create more.

We’re 11 games in and have taken the lead against 11 men once. Two fouls isn’t enough to write that off as something Hibs can’t improve on. We’re not doing great against 11 men. That needs to improve unless we’re going to continue getting players sent off against us at a similar frequency to what we are now. That’s unlikely though, so we’re going to need to get better at getting somewhere against 11 men.

Do only goals count as doing well against 11 men? What about forcing them into red card fouls 11v11?

Red cards before 75ish minutes are more important than goals.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Do only goals count as doing well against 11 men? What about forcing them into red card fouls 11v11?

Red cards before 75ish minutes are more important than goals.

Hang on, red cards for your opponents are more important than goals for the vast majority of a game? :faf:

This isn’t worth continuing this discussion.

Goals win games. The team with the most players on the pitch at the end of the game doesn’t get extra points.

[SaulGoodman]

Horrendous stat. Our season so far has painted a false impression as we have been playing against 10 men or less for 5 of those games and picked up 13 points in those games v 10 men or less. We toil to play against 11 men.

Against 11 men a draw against Hearts and a win away to RC who are basically the worst team in the league isn't good enough.

Shut up man

[Trinity Hibee]

Do only goals count as doing well against 11 men? What about forcing them into red card fouls 11v11?

Red cards before 75ish minutes are more important than goals.

Football is becoming dangerously over analysed. Some of these crazy ‘stats’ now like carry distance, counter press etc. are starting to make folk forget the fact that at the end of the day only one stat matters and that is the score line.

Wish Hibs would stop posting some of the stats they do as we are starting to sound like Ian Cathro and how we all laughed at him!

[SHODAN]

Johnson tried to attack from the off at Parkhead and got punished. He'll learn from it.

Both of this week's results were hard to take but I'm not overly concerned. Friday is the big one.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hang on, red cards for your opponents are more important than goals for the vast majority of a game? :faf:

This isn’t worth continuing this discussion.

Goals win games. The team with the most players on the pitch at the end of the game doesn’t get extra points.

Yes. Thats pretty obviously isn't it?

After about 75 minutes it becomes better to bring down and opponent rather than let them score. Otherwise, its better to lose a goal. Winning with 10 men is far rarer than winning from a goal down. Its not even close.

[MWHIBBIES]

Football is becoming dangerously over analysed. Some of these crazy ‘stats’ now like carry distance, counter press etc. are starting to make folk forget the fact that at the end of the day only one stat matters and that is the score line.

Wish Hibs would stop posting some of the stats they do as we are starting to sound like Ian Cathro and how we all laughed at him!

Really not how it works, though. The scoreline matters obviously, but how the scoreline is consistently achieved is what matters over a season.

Anyone can win a one off game. The team who create more chances over 38 games score more goals. The teams who give less chances away over 38 games concede less goals.

Football is being played at a higher level than ever because we've moved passed yer da patter like ''only 1 stat matters''.

Quality teams look at these stats and sign players and win matches based on them. It is vital.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yes. Thats pretty obviously isn't it?

After about 75 minutes it becomes better to bring down and opponent rather than let them score. Otherwise, its better to lose a goal. Winning with 10 men is far rarer than winning from a goal down. Its not even close.

Absolute nonsense.

Red cards are not more important as goals pre 75 minutes as you suggested. Although I’d enjoy sitting near you at ER to see your exuberance when our opponents get a red card in 1-75 mins to be fair.

Safe to say everyone on here has been watching football all wrong if they’ve not been praying for red cards over goals for the vast majority of what they’ve been watching.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Football is becoming dangerously over analysed. Some of these crazy ‘stats’ now like carry distance, counter press etc. are starting to make folk forget the fact that at the end of the day only one stat matters and that is the score line.

Wish Hibs would stop posting some of the stats they do as we are starting to sound like Ian Cathro and how we all laughed at him!

Thing is, the idea that red cards for your opponents are better than scoring goals up to 75 minutes won’t stand up to statistical analysis. Mainly due to the fact it’s goals that win games rather than red cards.

There’s a reason teams don’t spend the first 75 mins of a game focusing on trying to get opponents sent off more than they focus on scoring goals.

[Trinity Hibee]

Really not how it works, though. The scoreline matters obviously, but how the scoreline is consistently achieved is what matters over a season.

Anyone can win a one off game. The team who create more chances over 38 games score more goals. The teams who give less chances away over 38 games concede less goals.

Football is being played at a higher level than ever because we've moved passed yer da patter like ''only 1 stat matters''.

Quality teams look at these stats and sign players and win matches based on them. It is vital.

😂😂 ok then. You really need to work out how to have a proper discussion with people without chucking insults about. Doesn’t do your argument any favours.

[MWHIBBIES]

Absolute nonsense.

Red cards are not more important as goals pre 75 minutes as you suggested. Although I’d enjoy sitting near you at ER to see your exuberance when our opponents get a red card in 1-75 mins to be fair.

Safe to say everyone on here has been watching football all wrong if they’ve not been praying for red cards for the vast majority of what they’ve been watching.

Its not nonsense. Actually think about it, stop just arguing blindly, because you're totally wrong. How often do sides playing with 10 men for say, 60 minutes, win a game? Its much rarer than coming back from a goal down which happens hundreds of times every weekend.

[Heisenberg]

Can’t believe there are Hibs fans actually having a moan about us “only winning against ten men”. It’s a completely ridiculous argument peddled by bitter jambos and the like. One of the red cards against us was probably soft, the rest fully deserved and brought about by good play on our part.

[brianmc]

Johnson tried to attack from the off at Parkhead and got punished. He'll learn from it.

Both of this week's results were hard to take but I'm not overly concerned. Friday is the big one.

I (almost) agree.

He picked a team and formation to attack Celtc from the off.
Unfortunately the players completely shat their pants and failed miserably to follow instructions and implement the game plan they'd been drilled on all week.

I'm sure he has learned from it though - not that his approach was wrong, but more that players he thought he could depend on can't be trusted in the bigger games.

[MWHIBBIES]

Thing is, the idea that red cards for your opponents are better than scoring goals up to 75 minutes won’t stand up to statistical analysis. Mainly due to the fact it’s goals that win games rather than red cards.

There’s a reason teams don’t spend the first 75 mins of a game focusing on trying to get opponents sent off more than they focus on scoring goals.

Yes, there is a reason, because you cannot set up a team to get an opponent sent off. It relies totally of them breaking the rules.

Trust me, it does stand up to analysis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/dy2rtg/is_it_better_to_give_up_a_goal_or_get_a_red_card/

I was wrong about the 75th, there is actually more to it, at least in this study, but yes, especially at 0-0, it is preferable to give up a goal than a man early doors.

[MWHIBBIES]

😂😂 ok then. You really need to work out how to have a proper discussion with people without chucking insults about. Doesn’t do your argument any favours.

Sorry, you're right. Was no need for insult. It was meant more that is really is a very out-dated look at football to say only 1 statistic matters when about 500 go into consistently achieving positive score-lines.

[hibsbollah]

Can’t believe there are Hibs fans actually having a moan about us “only winning against ten men”. It’s a completely ridiculous argument peddled by bitter jambos and the like. One of the red cards against us was probably soft, the rest fully deserved and brought about by good play on our part.

Winning against ten men isn’t much better than losing against 11 men or something. I’m sure you get the same points for it, nearly. Plus late goals dont really count.

[loanheadhibby]

Dude, 2 of the red cards were our players being hauled down when 1v1 with the goalkeeper. What else can we actually do?

We were absolutely not struggling against Kilmarnock. And we were playing Aberdeen off the park, they were so lucky to be 1-0 up.

Hibs good play got those players sent off. Thats what is not debatable.
You have a point but it wasn't good play that got Scales sent off.
We were on top v Aberdeen without creating too much although should have had a penalty.
You're kidding yourself in saying we were playing them off the park.
You do tend to kid yourself most weeks to be fair.

[MWHIBBIES]

You have a point but it wasn't good play that got Scales sent off.
We were on top v Aberdeen without creating too much although should have had a penalty.
You're kidding yourself in saying we were playing them off the park.
You do tend to kid yourself most weeks to be fair.



Hibs vs Aberdeen first half
57/43 Possession
11/2 shots
3/1 shots on target
6/2 corners
0/2 goalkeepers saves
7/10 in fouls
1/4 yellow cards
190/140 passes
49/35 attacks
25/7 dangerous attacks


Hibs absolutely dominated the first half. Look a bit silly now don't you. Really wasn't any need for the personal jibe either.

[B.H.F.C]

Results went pretty well for us elsewhere. To get out of this weekend still in third is pretty decent.

We need to get back to winning ways on Friday, it’s really important IMO. Not been a good week after a bit of positivity had started to build up.

[loanheadhibby]

Hibs vs Aberdeen first half
57/43 Possession
11/2 shots
3/1 shots on target
6/2 corners
0/2 goalkeepers saves
7/10 in fouls
1/4 yellow cards
190/140 passes
49/35 attacks
25/7 dangerous attacks


Hibs absolutely dominated the first half. Look a bit silly now don't you. Really wasn't any need for the personal jibe either.

Statistics etc. you can make them look anyway you want.

1st half against the Dons we did well. I don’t think we dominated them. 2nd half we dominated them. 1st half was fairly even but we were better side.

I can only recollect their keeper having one save from distance. Red card definitely helped us tho.

[LaMotta]

Results went pretty well for us elsewhere. To get out of this weekend still in third is pretty decent.

We need to get back to winning ways on Friday, it’s really important IMO. Not been a good week after a bit of positivity had started to build up.

:agree: Friday is unbelievably important psychologically for what then follows. Lose and its 3 losses in a row and feels like verging on mini crisis territory ( bit dramatic maybe I know), heaping lots of pressure on the next game v St Mirren. Win and we can point to 5 wins in 7 games and go in to the St Mirren game with confidence again, looking to strengthen our hold on 3rd place.

Whether we like or not, the only way the we can put to bed the chat about "only being able to beat 10 men", is if we start regularly picking up wins against 11 men.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yes, there is a reason, because you cannot set up a team to get an opponent sent off. It relies totally of them breaking the rules.

Trust me, it does stand up to analysis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/dy2rtg/is_it_better_to_give_up_a_goal_or_get_a_red_card/

I was wrong about the 75th, there is actually more to it, at least in this study, but yes, especially at 0-0, it is preferable to give up a goal than a man early doors.

You said the first 75 mins. Now it’s changed to early doors.

As I said, pointless debating it with you when you’re making up nonsense and then posting ‘evidence’ to disprove your own point.

[MWHIBBIES]

You said the first 75 mins. Now it’s changed to early doors.

As I said, pointless debating it with you when you’re making up nonsense and then posting ‘evidence’ to disprove your own point.

Yes, I said I made a mistake saying 75 minutes. The evidence didn't disprove my point, it clearly shows the benefits of red cards Vs goals.

You are right about one thing, debating with you is pointless. Just dismiss others as talking nonsense, even when they provide evidence and you provide absolutely zero yourself.

Strange how you haven't at any point actually tried to back up what you're saying, just made daft jokes about me celebrating red cards. Almost as if you're talking ***** and you know it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yes, I said I made a mistake saying 75 minutes. The evidence didn't disprove my point, it clearly shows the benefits of red cards Vs goals.

You are right about one thing, debating with you is pointless. Just dismiss others as talking nonsense, even when they provide evidence and you provide absolutely zero yourself.

Strange how you haven't at any point actually tried to back up what you're saying, just made daft jokes about me celebrating red cards. Almost as if you're talking ***** and you know it.

You’ve already said you’ve made a mistake and posted evidence showing what you’ve said is wildly incorrect yet you’re still talking about your evidence as if it backs up your point claiming it stands up to analysis whilst posting evidence showing it doesn’t. I can only hope you were thinking I wasn’t going to open the link.

I don’t need to post evidence or back it up. Yours literally covers it for me and shows i’m not talking ****. You’ve done that job for me. Your evidence tell us red cards aren’t more important for 75 mins which is exactly what I called you out on.

Keep digging though.

[JimBHibees]

Can’t believe there are Hibs fans actually having a moan about us “only winning against ten men”. It’s a completely ridiculous argument peddled by bitter jambos and the like. One of the red cards against us was probably soft, the rest fully deserved and brought about by good play on our part.

Yep peddled by people desperate for us to get no credit.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Can’t believe there are Hibs fans actually having a moan about us “only winning against ten men”. It’s a completely ridiculous argument peddled by bitter jambos and the like. One of the red cards against us was probably soft, the rest fully deserved and brought about by good play on our part.

No, people are discussing us not winning often enough against 11.

Those two things are massively different. Everyone is quite happy with us winning against 10 men. People have concerns though about our ability to win against 11 which the statistics back up seeing as we’ve only managed 1 win in 6 games against 11 men, especially when 2 of the red cards we’ve had against us potentially wouldn’t be given going forward with the introduction of VAR.

[CapitalGreen]

Yes, there is a reason, because you cannot set up a team to get an opponent sent off. It relies totally of them breaking the rules.

Trust me, it does stand up to analysis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/dy2rtg/is_it_better_to_give_up_a_goal_or_get_a_red_card/

I was wrong about the 75th, there is actually more to it, at least in this study, but yes, especially at 0-0, it is preferable to give up a goal than a man early doors.

That’s really interesting, thanks for sharing 👍

[MWHIBBIES]

You’ve already said you’ve made a mistake and posted evidence showing what you’ve said is wildly incorrect yet you’re still talking about your evidence as if it backs up your point claiming it stands up to analysis whilst posting evidence showing it doesn’t. I can only hope you were thinking I wasn’t going to open the link.

I don’t need to post evidence or back it up. Yours literally covers it for me and shows i’m not talking ****. You’ve done that job for me. Your evidence tell us red cards aren’t more important for 75 mins which is exactly what I called you out on.

Keep digging though.


Ah right, so it's now just that one part you were arguing about, not the actual principal. You should've made that clear instead of making daft jokes about me celebrating red cards, or saying things like goals win games or why don't teams set up to get opponents sent off. Would've been much easier had you just make it clear that it was only that one thing you disagreed with.

I think the 75 minutes thing was in my head because of another piece I'd read which came to that conclusion but as I'm unable to find it, we'll never know.

The thing I did post proves the idea pretty clearly, though, I'm sure you'll agree. There is quite a long period of games where it is better for the opposition to get a man sent off than it is for you to score. Not that that's what you were debating at all of course.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ah right, so it's now just that one part you were arguing about, not the actual principal. You should've made that clear instead of making daft jokes about me celebrating red cards, or saying things like goals win games or why don't teams set up to get opponents sent off. Would've been much easier had you just make it clear that it was only that one thing you disagreed with.

I think the 75 minutes thing was in my head because of another piece I'd read which came to that conclusion but as I'm unable to find it, we'll never know.

The thing I did post proves the idea pretty clearly, though, I'm sure you'll agree. There is quite a long period of games where it is better for the opposition to get a man sent off than it is for you to score. Not that that's what you were debating at all of course.

I referenced the time you’d suggested either by quoting it specifically (75 mins) or referring to the vast majority of the game (which 75 mins would be) in every one of my posts on the topic since you mentioned it. I really don’t think I could have been any clearer about it but incredibly it appears that you need it to be.

It’s ok to just accept you’ve made an absolute arse of it instead of digging and digging.

[MWHIBBIES]

I referenced the time you’d suggested either by quoting it specifically (75 mins) or referring to the vast majority of the game (which 75 mins would be) in every one of my posts on the topic since you mentioned it. I really don’t think I could have been any clearer about it but incredibly it appears that you need it to be.

It’s ok to just accept you’ve made an absolute arse of it btw.

It's okay to accept you've had to default onto the thing I admitted already to getting wrong and try to cover up all the other utter pish you posted.

[MWHIBBIES]

That’s really interesting, thanks for sharing 👍

No problem.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's okay to accept you've had to default onto the thing I admitted already to getting wrong and try to cover up all the other utter pish you posted.

The pish that your very evidence backs up as being correct. Brilliant.

Also, I ‘defaulted’ onto it whilst you were still claiming it to be the case. So no, not something you’d “already admitted’ to getting wrong, rather something you were still claiming to be correct.

Keep. On. Digging.

[MWHIBBIES]

The pish that your very evidence backs up as being correct.

Keep. On. Digging.

It doesn't, though. Yes, it's not as late into the match as I'd thought, but clearly shows that it better to lose a goal than to lose a man, on average. That was the point I was originally trying to make.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It doesn't, though. Yes, it's not as late into the match as I'd thought, but clearly shows that it better to lose a goal than to lose a man, on average. That was the point I was originally trying to make.

The point you originally made was miles from being correct. The fact it would be correct if you completely changed the numbers you used in your point doesn’t make it correct. You’ve doubled down on it by suggesting someone who told you it was incorrect is talking pish and still claiming you were right whilst posting evidence which shows that you weren’t and the person calling you out on it was infact correct.

You can’t just start breaking your point into parts, pretending the bits that were nowhere near being correct no longer matter and then telling us all you were correct no matter how much you try.

I’d be as well saying we haven’t won a game this season and when it’s rightly pointed out to me that we have I’ll just say “aye but I’m still correct, my numbers were just wildly off” whilst telling the person who pointed it out to me that they were in fact talking pish.

You’d make a cracking Tory MP/PM, I’ll give you that.

It’s ok to be wrong, I know it’s your first time, but nobody will think any less of you for it.

[Kato]

Horrendous stat. Our season so far has painted a false impression as we have been playing against 10 men or less for 5 of those games and picked up 13 points in those games v 10 men or less. We toil to play against 11 men.

Against 11 men a draw against Hearts and a win away to RC who are basically the worst team in the league isn't good enough.I take it you aren't on board with the medium to long term plan thing then.

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[MWHIBBIES]

The point you originally made was miles from being correct. The fact it would be correct if you completely changed the numbers you used in your point doesn’t make it correct. You’ve doubled down on it by suggesting someone who told you it was incorrect is talking pish and still claiming you were right whilst posting evidence which shows that you weren’t and the person calling you out on it was infact correct.

You can’t just start breaking your point into parts, pretending the bits that were nowhere near being correct no longer matter and then telling us all you were correct no matter how much you try.

I’d be as well saying we haven’t won a game this season and when it’s rightly pointed out to me that we have I’ll just say “aye but I’m still correct, my numbers were just wildly off” whilst telling the person who pointed it out to me that they were in fact talking pish.

You’d make a cracking Tory MP/PM, I’ll give you that.

It’s ok to be wrong, I know it’s your first time, but nobody will think any less of you for it.

I'm really not sure what is going on here now. You are absolutely desperate for me to admit I was wrong about it being 75 minutes. I've already done that mate. I've already admitted that. It right there, in black and white. I misremembered the post I'd read.

The principal is what I was actually trying to discuss. The point I was trying to make is that the red cards in our recent matches benefitted us more than scoring would have. A great bit of Hibs play leading to an early opposition red card like Vs Kilmarnock is more beneficial to us than Boyle actually scoring there.

I really have no personal issue with you so I won't stoop to your level and make the admins lifes more difficult by returning the petty personal insults. Goodnight 😘

[Frazerbob]

It’s not that long ago we were bemoaning the number of penalties Hearts where being awarded. It was almost a weekly event.
I’ll gladly accept any red cards, be it from our good play or from poor play from our opponents. If it helps us get to were we want to be and buy the new management team some breathing space to gel the team and get the injured players back then it’s all good. What is it they say about rather be lucky than good?
Win on Friday and all stress puppies will calm down again….until our next defeat.

[Heisenberg]

No, people are discussing us not winning often enough against 11.

Those two things are massively different. Everyone is quite happy with us winning against 10 men. People have concerns though about our ability to win against 11 which the statistics back up seeing as we’ve only managed 1 win in 6 games against 11 men, especially when 2 of the red cards we’ve had against us potentially wouldn’t be given going forward with the introduction of VAR.

Hermit Crab literally posted our season so far has “given a false impression”. That sounds like someone not prepared to accept that we have actually done well in the games we have forced the opponents into red cards and gone onto win.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hermit Crab literally posted our season so far has “given a false impression”. That sounds like someone not prepared to accept that we have actually done well in the games we have forced the opponents into red cards and gone onto win.

I don’t think that’s an unfair point from HC. We’re highly unlikely to continue getting nearly a red card every second game against us (especially once VAR comes in seeing as two of the ones we’ve had would probably have been wiped out) and our ability to beat 11 men hasn’t been great this season, so I think there’s some merit in what he/she says. Once the red cards dry up, our current form against 11 men would see us really slip down the table. Hence why we need to improve it.

I highly doubt HC is unhappy that we’ve beat 10 men when facing them but I suppose HC is the only one who can confirm that. I don’t see why pointing out that we’ve been poor this season against 11 men is any worse than pointing out a team has been poor away from home or a team has been poor after playing in Europe etc.

[hibsbollah]

I don’t think that’s an unfair point from HC. We’re highly unlikely to continue getting nearly a red card every second game against us (especially once VAR comes in seeing as two of the ones we’ve had would probably have been wiped out) and our ability to beat 11 men hasn’t been great this season, so I think there’s some merit in what he/she says. Once the red cards dry up, our current form against 11 men would see us really slip down the table. Hence why we need to improve it.

I highly doubt HC is unhappy that we’ve beat 10 men when facing them but I suppose HC is the only one who can confirm that. I don’t see why pointing out that we’ve been poor this season against 11 men is any worse than pointing out a team has been poor away from home or a team has been poor after playing in Europe etc.

If you're honest, you'd concede that HC is only posting on here regularly when Hibs are at a low ebb. Its not a criticism, its just the kind of poster he is. What his motivation is only he will know, you're right about that, but it casts a lot of shade on his opinions.

The fact that we are 'highly unlikely' to get a red card as regularly going forward ignores the main point, which is that its being used to deliberately not give credit for good performances, like at Aberdeen when we were the better side and our good play resulted in them making key mistakes and then psychologically unravelling. The Sheep started the season battering teams and our performance was criminally underestimated IMO, and not only on soccerscene.

And broadly speaking, so so many more positives than negatives from LJs start so far this season.

[green day]

If you're honest, you'd concede that HC is only posting on here regularly when Hibs are at a low ebb. Its not a criticism, its just the kind of poster he is. What his motivation is only he will know, you're right about that, but it casts a lot of shade on his opinions.

The fact that we are 'highly unlikely' to get a red card as regularly going forward ignores the main point, which is that its being used to deliberately not give credit for good performances, like at Aberdeen when we were the better side and our good play resulted in them making key mistakes and then psychologically unravelling. The Sheep started the season battering teams and our performance was criminally underestimated IMO, and not only on soccerscene.

And broadly speaking, so so many more positives than negatives from LJs start so far this season.

Agreed.

I would also add that if its reasonable to suggest that one or two of the reds may not have happened via VAR, we also cant ignore decisions that didnt go our way - e.g. just this week the non goal and push on Campbell v Arabs for a pen.

I have mentioned it before, but the fact remains that defensive anti football teams wont get as many opposition reds as us - it doesnt happen by accident, despite what idiots like Leanne Crichton will try and tell people on the radio.

[Colr]

A real stinker today, but let's be honest,Celtic can beat anyone, including Rangers like that.

Learn from it and move on. Big match on Friday. Big crowd and performance required.

Agree. A howler and it showed the gulf between the teams. Our approach invited the result but there are lessons to be learned that, if learned, will make us stronger.

[blackpoolhibs]

Agree. A howler and it showed the gulf between the teams. Our approach invited the result but there are lessons to be learned that, if learned, will make us stronger.

It seems like we say that every season, we always seem to have to learn something or other,yet rarely do.

[Mcbizz1998]

This Friday is a huge game, win that and we stay 3rd with a winnable home game to follow. Lose and it’s going to get messy on here.

Big crowd, under the lights, I expect a win.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This Friday is a huge game, win that and we stay 3rd with a winnable home game to follow. Lose and it’s going to get messy on here.

Big crowd, under the lights, I expect a win.

We’ve got a huge 4 games coming up considering who Hearts have.

We could be out of sight of them if results go our way. 3 wins and 1 defeat (preferably not to Aberdeen but that’s where you’d presume it’ll come from) would be really good. Any more would be excellent.

Any less than 6 would be really poor imo.

[B.H.F.C]

We’ve got a huge 4 games coming up considering who Hearts have.

We could be out of sight of them if results go our way. 3 wins and 1 defeat (preferably not to Aberdeen but that’s where you’d presume it’ll come from) would be really good. Any more would be excellent.

Any less than 6 would be really poor imo.

15 points to play for between now and the break.

We need to be looking for 9/9 from the 3 home games (St Johnstone, St Mirren and Ross County).

Aberdeen and Kilmarnock away will be tougher but they’re winnable games.

I don’t really care how we play over the next few weeks, we just have to take the chance to build a decent lead up in third place.

[Sir David Gray]

15 points to play for between now and the break.

We need to be looking for 9/9 from the 3 home games (St Johnstone, St Mirren and Ross County).

Aberdeen and Kilmarnock away will be tougher but they’re winnable games.

I don’t really care how we play over the next few weeks, we just have to take the chance to build a decent lead up in third place.

We should be aiming for at least 10 points from those 5 games.

Our 3 home games should be wins but our record at Pittodrie is dreadful so I wouldn't be surprised if we lost that one. Rugby Park won't be easy either but I'd like to think we could get at least a point there.

[Steven1985]

It seems like we say that every season, we always seem to have to learn something or other,yet rarely do. I'm sorry but I can't agree. I'm sure we learn lots of things every season. We just don't have the money to do anything about it. Look at Rangers and Celtic in the Champions League......Guffaw.