Tavares Racially Abused

[hibsforeurope]

I sit further away from the Rantic fans than the current board do and can clearly hear the bigotry spouted. They don't want to hear when it comes to sectarianism.

We as a club should be championing the cause of anti bigotry by slashing the tickets sold to both clubs if it continues. If other clubs see us taking a stand then hopefully more will follow.

Over to you Hibs.

To be fair this isn't just Hibs' issue to call out every week there is an example of it from one set of away fans. The whole of Scottish football needs to step up.

Hibs just have a couple of opportunities to call it out when playing them over the next couple of weeks.

[ronaldo7]

To be fair this isn't just Hibs' issue to call out every week there is an example of it from one set of away fans. The whole of Scottish football needs to step up.

Hibs just have a couple of opportunities to call it out when playing them over the next couple of weeks.

I agree, but next to Rantic, Hibs, Aberdeen and hearts are the next biggest clubs. We should be at the forefront of the fight and not sweeping it under the carpet every time it occurs at our home.

[Sir David Gray]

Hibs can deal with it directly by cutting allocations continuously until it is addressed.

Don't bother telling me it will hurt us financially either, as the club has just told everyone they have a zero tolerance approach to this type of behaviour in ER.

Zero tolerance should mean zero tolerance, not a level of tolerance based upon it's financial effects on our balance sheet.

:agree: Well said.

[silverhibee]

We're not keeping our house in order though, we're continually allowing certain racists and bigots entry to it - without so much as a word or action to prevent it happening again either.

Time for Hibs to deal with it, and in doing so make it a talking point nationwide.

No point us continually hiding behind the lame excuse that it's a job for somebody else.

Spot on sir.

[hibsforeurope]

I agree, but next to Rantic, Hibs, Aberdeen and hearts are the next biggest clubs. We should be at the forefront of the fight and not sweeping it under the carpet every time it occurs at our home.

Absolutely we need to push it. but unfortunately, as mentioned previously, it seems to come down to money and not being prepared to lose ticket sales from certain teams.

The authorities are not interested in tackling the issue, if it's highlighted by an empty stand or reduced allocation that is what should happen.

We could raise it at a press conference or such but i wouldn't be convinced the press would print the story.

[WhileTheChief..]

When you say you are an 'anti racist', how does this manifest itself and what difference does it make to your behaviour? Genuine question out of interest.


So was it really a genuine question?

Surprised you didn't even acknowledge my response.

[Donegal Hibby]

Absolutely we need to push it. but unfortunately, as mentioned previously, it seems to come down to money and not being prepared to lose ticket sales from certain teams.

The authorities are not interested in tackling the issue, if it's highlighted by an empty stand or reduced allocation that is what should happen.

We could raise it at a press conference or such but i wouldn't be convinced the press would print the story.
For someone who doesn't attend as many games as a lot of you I fully support the banning of fans singing sectarian songs if you are sick of it though we will have to live with the consequences of this . Like if you ban 4000 fans who pay 30 quid into Easter road thats £120,000 .Working out at £480,000 not including what we make off them on the catering . Probably looking at £500,000 a year that hearts and Aberdeen will be gaining on us . Though maybe losing out on potential signing targets that we are competing Aberdeen and hearts for and fallen further behind them budget wise is a price the fans that go regularly are willing pay in order to not hear there filth . Not trying to get anyone's back up just feel there's a flip side to banning them and a £500,000 is rather big one imo

[ronaldo7]

For someone who doesn't attend as many games as a lot of you I fully support the banning of fans singing sectarian songs if you are sick of it though we will have to live with the consequences of this . Like if you ban 4000 fans who pay 30 quid into Easter road thats £120,000 .Working out at £480,000 not including what we make off them on the catering . Probably looking at £500,000 a year that hearts and Aberdeen will be gaining on us . Though maybe losing out on potential signing targets that we are competing Aberdeen and hearts for and fallen further behind them budget wise is a price the fans that go regularly are willing pay in order to not hear there filth . Not trying to get anyone's back up just feel there's a flip side to banning them and a £500,000 is rather big one imo

I can remember the currants sort of getting their act together when the list of banned songs were released. The Billy boys went into hibernation for a couple of years. It's reared its head again after they died, and thought everyone was against them after they walked away.

Maybe when they see their ticket allocation reducing they'd come into the 21st century and stop singing their bile.

[JimBHibees]

I can remember the currants sort of getting their act together when the list of banned songs were released. The Billy boys went into hibernation for a couple of years. It's reared its head again after they died, and thought everyone was against them after they walked away.

Maybe when they see their ticket allocation reducing they'd come into the 21st century and stop singing their bile.

The only time they took notice was when UEFA started hammering them during Murrays time

[Chorley Hibee]

For someone who doesn't attend as many games as a lot of you I fully support the banning of fans singing sectarian songs if you are sick of it though we will have to live with the consequences of this . Like if you ban 4000 fans who pay 30 quid into Easter road thats £120,000 .Working out at £480,000 not including what we make off them on the catering . Probably looking at £500,000 a year that hearts and Aberdeen will be gaining on us . Though maybe losing out on potential signing targets that we are competing Aberdeen and hearts for and fallen further behind them budget wise is a price the fans that go regularly are willing pay in order to not hear there filth . Not trying to get anyone's back up just feel there's a flip side to banning them and a £500,000 is rather big one imo

Then the club, and any supporters who agree with the argument you outline above, are giving tacit approval to racism, bigotry and sectarianism.

That's the long and the short of it.

If you have a zero tolerance approach to it, which I believe you should, then money doesn't play a part in that.

If money does influence your thinking, then you're not really as interested in dealing with the problem as you claim to be.

Hibs, and Scottish football, fall into the later category at present.

[Ringothedog]

It’s quite simple, we half their allocation but double the price of a ticket to £70, they carry on we cut their allocation and increase the price. They will soon get the message. I know we have to increase prices in our FF stand but that would be no issue as any Hibs fan with any sense would not pay those prices. Can we do that , I don’t know but worth trying if we can

[Donegal Hibby]

Then the club, and any supporters who agree with the argument you outline above, are giving tacit approval to racism, bigotry and sectarianism.

That's the long and the short of it.

If you have a zero tolerance approach to it, which I believe you should, then money doesn't play a part in that.

If money does influence your thinking, then you're not really as interested in dealing with the problem as you claim to be.

Hibs, and Scottish football, fall into the later category at present.
Firstly CH I'm totally against Racism , bigotry and sectarianism and yes it would without doubt be the right course of action to take but ask yourself this question ,whos it going to hurt more the Huns or Celtic fans who save money by not been able to go ? Or the football club that lose half a million a year for taking the moral high ground? and fall further behind our rivels (hearts and Aberdeen ) budget wise who wouldn't do it anyway imo .Also do you think it would change them ? I don't , it's brainwashed into them as kids sadly . You mentioned having a zero tolerance approach to it which is great and I agree but your wrong money does play a part in it as it does with everything in life.We are a football club but we are also a business that's trying to make money and trying to maximize profits ( the way of the world Sadly) and any business that would turn down a annual £500,000 a year wouldn't be a very smart one while it's competitors gain it ! Totally agree with you about the principle of this and applaud your views on this matter though I am looking at another angle on it from a financial side for HIBERNIAN Football Club

[Sir David Gray]

Firstly CH I'm totally against Racism , bigotry and sectarianism and yes it would without doubt be the right course of action to take but ask yourself this question ,whos it going to hurt more the Huns or Celtic fans who save money by not been able to go ? Or the football club that lose half a million a year for taking the moral high ground? and fall further behind our rivels (hearts and Aberdeen ) budget wise who wouldn't do it anyway imo .Also do you think it would change them ? I don't , it's brainwashed into them as kids sadly . You mentioned having a zero tolerance approach to it which is great and I agree but your wrong money does play a part in it as it does with everything in life.We are a football club but we are also a business that's trying to make money and trying to maximize profits ( the way of the world Sadly) and any business that would turn down a annual £500,000 a year wouldn't be a very smart one while it's competitors gain it ! Totally agree with you about the principle of this and applaud your views on this matter though I am looking at another angle on it from a financial side for HIBERNIAN Football Club

I understand the point you're making and suspect that this is Hibs' actual position but the club has come out and said they have a "zero-tolerance position on all kinds of racist and discriminatory abuse".

Zero-tolerance means exactly that, it doesn't mean you get to pick and choose the situations you can apply it to depending on how you can benefit financially.

[Chorley Hibee]

Firstly CH I'm totally against Racism , bigotry and sectarianism and yes it would without doubt be the right course of action to take but ask yourself this question ,whos it going to hurt more the Huns or Celtic fans who save money by not been able to go ? Or the football club that lose half a million a year for taking the moral high ground? and fall further behind our rivels (hearts and Aberdeen ) budget wise who wouldn't do it anyway imo .Also do you think it would change them ? I don't , it's brainwashed into them as kids sadly . You mentioned having a zero tolerance approach to it which is great and I agree but your wrong money does play a part in it as it does with everything in life.We are a football club but we are also a business that's trying to make money and trying to maximize profits ( the way of the world Sadly) and any business that would turn down a annual £500,000 a year wouldn't be a very smart one while it's competitors gain it ! Totally agree with you about the principle of this and applaud your views on this matter though I am looking at another angle on it from a financial side for HIBERNIAN Football Club

Forgive me, I didn't mean to insinuate you weren't against racism, sectarianism etc, I was just using the hypothetical argument you presented.

You can't have a zero tolerance policy based upon financial worth, because it then shows that we have anything but a zero tolerance approach.

The club is now in danger of presenting itself as giving tacit acceptance of racism, bigotry and sectarianism if the price is right, unless we take action now.

We MUST follow up on this supposed zero tolerance approach, because there is no middle ground to be had on this matter.

You're either in favour of it, or against it.

[Donegal Hibby]

I understand the point you're making and suspect that this is Hibs' actual position but the club has come out and said they have a "zero-tolerance position on all kinds of racist and discriminatory abuse".

Zero-tolerance means exactly that, it doesn't mean you get to pick and choose the situations you can apply it to depending on how you can benefit financially.
I always want to see Hibs prosper and felt even though it's totally the right thing to do it was hurting Hibs far more than the other lot . When you put it that the club have came out and said they have a " zero tolerance position on all kinds of racist and discriminatory abuse then the next time it happens I feel the club have to act on it now ! I agree that you can't make a statement like that and change it when it suits you financially but that's exactly what's going to happen imo

[Chorley Hibee]

I always want to see Hibs prosper and felt even though it's totally the right thing to do it was hurting Hibs far more than the other lot . When you put it that the club have came out and said they have a " zero tolerance position on all kinds of racist and discriminatory abuse then the next time it happens I feel the club have to act on it now ! I agree that you can't make a statement like that and change it when it suits you financially but that's exactly what's going to happen imo

I agree with your final line, I too don't expect the club to deal with it - as they're cowards, as is the rest of Scottish football.

[Sir David Gray]

I always want to see Hibs prosper and felt even though it's totally the right thing to do it was hurting Hibs far more than the other lot . When you put it that the club have came out and said they have a " zero tolerance position on all kinds of racist and discriminatory abuse then the next time it happens I feel the club have to act on it now ! I agree that you can't make a statement like that and change it when it suits you financially but that's exactly what's going to happen imo

We're agreed on that, which is why Hibs (and every other club in Scotland) does not have, and never has had, "a zero-tolerance position on all kinds of racist and discriminatory abuse".

The blue and green pound (or whatever nonsense it's called these days) takes precedence over any kind of moral high ground.

[Donegal Hibby]

Forgive me, I didn't mean to insinuate you weren't against racism, sectarianism etc, I was just using the hypothetical argument you presented.

You can't have a zero tolerance policy based upon financial worth, because it then shows that we have anything but a zero tolerance approach.

The club is now in danger of presenting itself as an advocate of racism, bigotry and sectarianism if the price is right.

We MUST follow up on this supposed zero tolerance approach, because there is no middle ground to be had on this matter.

You're either in favour of it, or against it.
No apologies needed CH , I was just worried I might be picked up wrong on the matter as I was worried what impact financially it would have on our club even though I totally agree with you , I actually hadn't picked up on the zero tolerance statement from the club and feel they will have to act when the filthy singing starts next time at ER though I don't think they will mate purely because of the financial gain which would be a awful decision after a statement like that and show people at our club having double standards

[Frazerbob]

It’s worth noting that Hearts and Aberdeen give the Old Firm significantly less tickets than we do, probably around half. So any shortfall in turnover would be from unsold home tickets in the South Stand. Say we cut their allocation by 1500, that’s £45k per game, £37k after VAT. We’d also save on less stewards & police and hopefully sell more to home fans. So in reality, if we finish top 6, you’re talking maybe £120k shortfall. That’s one gash player’s salary.

[hibsforeurope]

St mirren have cut the rangers n Celtic’s allocations by half this season. Crowds are much the same as last season and They have seen results significantly improve too.

[CL0762]

It’s worth noting that Hearts and Aberdeen give the Old Firm significantly less tickets than we do, probably around half. So any shortfall in turnover would be from unsold home tickets in the South Stand. Say we cut their allocation by 1500, that’s £45k per game, £37k after VAT. We’d also save on less stewards & police and hopefully sell more to home fans. So in reality, if we finish top 6, you’re talking maybe £120k shortfall. That’s one gash player’s salary.

That would be well and good if it was like the last 6 months of the first season back in the league under Lennon and we were selling out the other 3 stands. At present we’re a mile away from doing that other than a derby and even right now, I’d be sceptical of that.

[I'm Spartacus]

This thread. One Star. Would not read again.

[RIP]

Aren't there enough other threads about the OF and Sectarianism? Why take two pages on this topic?
It's not what the thread is about.

[Chorley Hibee]

Aren't there enough other threads about the OF and Sectarianism? Why take two pages on this topic?
It's not what the thread is about.

It is part of the same problem, and Hibs themselves have said, and I quote:

"Hibernian FC has a zero-tolerance position on all kinds of racist and discriminatory abuse"

It's now up to the club to prove that is indeed the case, or whether that's only true when the financial impact it has on the club is limited.

[WeeRussell]

This thread. One Star. Would not read again.

I’m glad you took time to let us all know.

[OldEast]

I’m glad you took time to let us all know.

😂😂😂 people moan about the negativity but you have to laugh at the moaners.

[Jones28]

I see Marvin Bartley and tam Cowan having a bit of a spat over it after Cowan called him out for getting wrong on OTB.

[bingo70]

I see Marvin Bartley and tam Cowan having a bit of a spat over it after Cowan called him out for getting wrong on OTB.

It’s a shame as I always quite liked Tam Cowan but the way he has treated Bartley over this is absolutely shocking and really quite bizarre.

Will undoubtedly bring an end to Cowans time on the radio.

[overdrive]

It’s a shame as I always quite liked Tam Cowan but the way he has treated Bartley over this is absolutely shocking and really quite bizarre.

Will undoubtedly bring an end to Cowans time on the radio.

Just read that. There seems to be a bit of history between Cowan and Bartley/Eilidh Barbour

[Jones28]

It’s a shame as I always quite liked Tam Cowan but the way he has treated Bartley over this is absolutely shocking and really quite bizarre.

Will undoubtedly bring an end to Cowans time on the radio.

I did as well but his desperation to be right will, as you say, get him punted.

Rightly so as well.