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dastardly8
11-10-2022, 08:48 PM
Euan Anderson should never ref a game again , perfectly good goal chalked off and many other dubious decisions

SHODAN
11-10-2022, 08:51 PM
The smirking Jambo linesman who never gave Griffiths' wonder goal still wins it for me.

HoboHarry
11-10-2022, 08:52 PM
Always makes me laugh when English referees get criticized, we can only wish for refs of that ability. Our standard has been crap for years and still nothing will change.

Carheenlea
11-10-2022, 08:58 PM
It’s like he was refereeing a sport he had never seen before. Just having a go.

A Hi-Bee
11-10-2022, 09:07 PM
Just ****in sick of inept or bent ref's, incompetent dont happen that often, it has to be more than just that.

HH81
11-10-2022, 09:07 PM
He can be added to a list with Beaton and Walsh.

dmc1875
11-10-2022, 09:08 PM
Might be the worst performance I’ve seen since Alan Freeland v Falkirk about 15 years ago

Trinity Hibee
11-10-2022, 09:09 PM
Might be the worst performance I’ve seen since Alan Freeland v Falkirk about 15 years ago

Freeland still the worst. The fact it still mentioned shows that

dmc1875
11-10-2022, 09:10 PM
Freeland still the worst. The fact it still mentioned shows that

I did say since, not that it was worse! That will always be the worst I think

delbert
11-10-2022, 09:13 PM
Euan Anderson should never ref a game again , perfectly good goal chalked off and many other dubious decisions

No referees officiating this season in the Premier League other than from Glasgow, Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire Associations, not even hiding it now, surprised the clubs in the East of Scotland from Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh haven’t kicked up hell about this but nothing being said

weecounty hibby
11-10-2022, 09:14 PM
Doesn't get much worse than that tonight. Really poor. Not completely to blame for us losing but certainly didn't help

Mikey_1875
11-10-2022, 09:14 PM
A coward. Makes you wonder what the point is.

A Hi-Bee
11-10-2022, 09:15 PM
No referees officiating this season in the Premier League other than from Glasgow, Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire Associations, not even hiding it now, surprised the clubs in the East of Scotland from Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh haven’t kicked up hell about this but nothing being said

So nothing much has changed over the years.

Just_Jimmy
11-10-2022, 09:18 PM
Mike mccurry boxing day 2002 v the artist formally known as the hun.

No one else comes close.

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bingo70
11-10-2022, 09:23 PM
I had to watch the Dundee Utd stream and unbelievably, their commentators were complaining about the ref too.

The decision not to book Porteous for his only foul of the game ‘summed up his performance’ apparently.

Those ***** annoyed me more than the ref.

Carheenlea
11-10-2022, 09:27 PM
How costly could that turn out to be?

While we would likely have still been disappointed to not add any further goals, that point that has been denied to us could be the difference between qualifying for Europe or not, or given how tight things might be between a group of clubs could even be the difference between top 6/bottom 6.

A shameful night for Scottish refereeing.

Northernhibee
11-10-2022, 09:30 PM
Let United away with everything. Ball can't have been in play for more than a third of that second half.

Honestly have more fun watching the ladies team and junior football these days. It's the same every time, timewasting, bizarre decisions and the feeling of being cheated.

Chorley Hibee
11-10-2022, 09:31 PM
Freeland still the worst. The fact it still mentioned shows that

The most corrupt/deranged refereeing performance I've ever seen in the flesh.

That decision tonight, for the Hibs goal, is one of the worst decisions I've seen.

weecounty hibby
11-10-2022, 09:31 PM
I had to watch the Dundee Utd stream and unbelievably, their commentators were complaining about the ref too.

The decision not to book Porteous for his only foul of the game ‘summed up his performance’ apparently.

Those ***** annoyed me more than the ref.

Yeah, actually up till that point I thought they weren't too bad. It was a push in the back when going for a header approx 40 yards from goal but they wanted him booked. Shows how far the witch hunt has gone and how easy folk are led

Northernhibee
11-10-2022, 10:12 PM
The sheer amount of timewasting allowed was beyond belief.

Dundee United could have finished the game with nine men, we could have had at least one penalty and about ten to fifteen minutes more actual time with the ball in play to achieve something.

Johnny_Leith
11-10-2022, 10:17 PM
LJ saying lino ruled it out for a push. Complete joke, never a push by youann. Their players didn't even claim.

Edwards should have been sent for elbowing porteous too.

Boyle89
11-10-2022, 10:36 PM
LJ saying lino ruled it out for a push. Complete joke, never a push by youann. Their players didn't even claim.

Edwards should have been sent for elbowing porteous too.

The fact nobody near the action claimed for either a push or high feet should've been enough for the officials. Only 2 untied players looked to appeal and it seemed like they were just hoping for an offside call. Both calls you would hope would be cleared up by VAR and by god do we need it soon.

Real Emerald
11-10-2022, 11:21 PM
The players work all week on tactics and breaking down defences, score a perfectly good goal and some part time wanna be probably weegie or Jambi decides nah I’m not having that. It’s a very hard job don’t get me wrong but that is cheating, added to the elbow on Porteous, they’re at it.

Real Emerald
11-10-2022, 11:28 PM
The players work all week on tactics and breaking down defences, score a perfectly good goal and some part time wanna be probably weegie or Jambi decides nah I’m not having that. It’s a very hard job don’t get me wrong but that is cheating, added to the elbow on Porteous, they’re at it.

matty_f
11-10-2022, 11:45 PM
Dreadful decision to disallow the goal. Total guesswork to find an infringement, and you have to feel for big Kuka for having a perfectly legitimate goal taken away from him.

BILLYHIBS
12-10-2022, 05:35 AM
R H Davidson ( Airdrie)

JimBHibees
12-10-2022, 06:15 AM
Anderson was also the ref that allowed Morton to waste loads of time in the league cup. Another with an issue with us imo. How there was only 4 mins extra is incredible also. Horrific officiating for the goal.

DaveF
12-10-2022, 06:18 AM
IMO, Anderson has had it in for us since he was slated for giving us a penalty when Boyle took a dive away at Livi (Jack Ross last game)

Alfred E Newman
12-10-2022, 06:25 AM
We didn't lose the game because of the referee. No matter how poor he was we still created enough chances to win comfortably.

MWHIBBIES
12-10-2022, 06:36 AM
We didn't lose the game because of the referee. No matter how poor he was we still created enough chances to win comfortably.

We did, though. We scored a perfectly good goal and it wasn't given. That makes it 1-1. How do we lose 1-0 if it's 1-1? It's literally text book referee lost us the match.

Paulie Walnuts
12-10-2022, 06:38 AM
Never seen the game but that goal is a shocker. It’s miles onside.

bigwheel
12-10-2022, 06:48 AM
Never seen the game but that goal is a shocker. It’s miles onside.

It wasn’t chalked off for an offside decision. Was chalked off for a soft push by Youan in the build up

Heedersnvolleys
12-10-2022, 06:51 AM
LJ saying lino ruled it out for a push. Complete joke, never a push by youann. Their players didn't even claim.

Edwards should have been sent for elbowing porteous too.

This is the problem not the solution. Decisions need to be given without the need for players claiming. Another is decisions need to be given without players having to fall over every time as well.

BG23
12-10-2022, 08:00 AM
IMO, Anderson has had it in for us since he was slated for giving us a penalty when Boyle took a dive away at Livi (Jack Ross last game)

Sorry but that is incorrect. The referee that night was Don Robertson and we had 2 players sent off. Mcginn and Hanlon

Agree though Anderson is totally incompetent.

DaveF
12-10-2022, 08:11 AM
Sorry but that is incorrect. The referee that night was Don Robertson and we had 2 players sent off. Mcginn and Hanlon

Agree though Anderson is totally incompetent.

👍 Had it my head it was Anderson for some reason. A night to forget for many reasons 😄

GreenNWhiteArmy
12-10-2022, 08:32 AM
Refs are untouchable. They need a mic shoved in their face to explain their actions in the same way players and managers get

Yes we created more than enough chances but a goal, a red card and possibly a penalty are all match defining decisions that went against us. Really frustrating as we've been on such a great run

Bushwoof
12-10-2022, 09:54 AM
To be fair, he was rotten for both teams. Utd had some decent penalty shouts too, and Porto could easily have been booked for that incident.
The disallowed goal probably trumps all that though. All in all a terrible performance from the ref, but we still passed up 2 glorious chances to score as well as a raft of other opportunities.

gbhibby
12-10-2022, 12:14 PM
R H Davidson ( Airdrie)
Beat me to it.

NAE NOOKIE
12-10-2022, 12:32 PM
No referees officiating this season in the Premier League other than from Glasgow, Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire Associations, not even hiding it now, surprised the clubs in the East of Scotland from Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh haven’t kicked up hell about this but nothing being said

To be fair the guy was refereeing two east coast teams, so it's unlikely he had a dug in the fight.

But your point is well made and you are far from the first person to bring this up over the years. For decades refs in our leagues have been massively over represented from one geographical area and the time is long past for clubs to start calling this into question ... exactly why is it that the east of Scotland is and has been so massively under represented? There is barely a village or town on this side of the country that doesn't have a team playing in some sort of league from amateur to semi professional, the game at every level is just as popular as it is in the west of Scotland ... why is it then that so few refs come through from the east?

What should be the big concern is why the SFA and the league ( as it is now the SPFL ) have seemingly never moved to address this issue, or in fact themselves raised any concerns over it. It seems to me that there is something akin to a closed shop situation here and it's time the SFA moved to end it, in fact long past time. Perhaps it wouldn't be an issue if all the refs coming out of the west were performing brilliantly, but the absolute fact is they aren't and haven't been for years, how can that situation improve when it is clearly so difficult for refs from the side of the country that contains three of our 4 biggest cities, not to mention the vast majority of our professional clubs, to get a foot in the door?

It's high time the clubs made an issue of this for no other reason than surely you will improve the standard of refereeing if the pathway into the league is level for candidates from the whole of Scotland, rather than the situation we have now where what can at best be described as a 'clique' is in operation.

Criswell
12-10-2022, 09:31 PM
RE disallowed goal. Totally insane decision. Almost sinister.

ian cruise
12-10-2022, 09:38 PM
Obviously felt he couldn't give a red card as our opposition have had men sent off too many times already this season. That card was staying in his pocket regardless of what Utd players did.

JimBHibees
13-10-2022, 05:53 AM
RE disallowed goal. Totally insane decision. Almost sinister.

No need for the almost :greengrin

BG23
13-10-2022, 07:30 AM
👍 Had it my head it was Anderson for some reason. A night to forget for many reasons 😄

Agree. Between our hopeless forwards and hopeless referee we were never going to win that game.

WeeRussell
13-10-2022, 05:59 PM
What is the red card incident a couple of people mentioned? Can’t remember it or missed it… Tony Watt must have been on thin ice with his antics when booked already but I don’t suppose it’s that? Edwards on Porteous when booked?

loanheadhibby
13-10-2022, 06:10 PM
RE disallowed goal. Totally insane decision. Almost sinister.

Has LJ said anymore about the ruled out goal? Has he had an explanation from ref’s boss?

JimBHibees
13-10-2022, 06:15 PM
Agree. Between our hopeless forwards and hopeless referee we were never going to win that game.

We don't have hopeless forwards

brog
13-10-2022, 06:16 PM
I read on some Hibs forum that the game was restarted after the disallowed goal with an indirect free kick. If so, that means it was disallowed for offside. It didnt show it on tv, can anyone confirm?

JimBHibees
13-10-2022, 06:16 PM
What is the red card incident a couple of people mentioned? Can’t remember it or missed it… Tony Watt must have been on thin ice with his antics when booked already but I don’t suppose it’s that? Edwards on Porteous when booked?

Edwards elbow on Porto off the ball

PaulSmith
13-10-2022, 07:08 PM
I read on some Hibs forum that the game was restarted after the disallowed goal with an indirect free kick. If so, that means it was disallowed for offside. It didnt show it on tv, can anyone confirm?

Definitely not an indirect free kick. The free kick was given for the alleged push by Youan before his attempt at goal, the decision was communicated to the ref by the lino across at the Dundee Utd stand. Even though the ref was watching that himself and the Lino was 90 yards from the incident.

I’m sure a stronger ref would’ve told the assistant to shut up as it’s not credible to get involved in that.

Also certain that we’d have had a penalty with VAR for the push on Josh Campbell, following up a saved shot in first half and I’d like to see the one on Henderson as well just as he was about to shoot.

BoomtownHibees
13-10-2022, 08:01 PM
Definitely not an indirect free kick. The free kick was given for the alleged push by Youan before his attempt at goal, the decision was communicated to the ref by the lino across at the Dundee Utd stand. Even though the ref was watching that himself and the Lino was 90 yards from the incident.

I’m sure a stronger ref would’ve told the assistant to shut up as it’s not credible to get involved in that.

Also certain that we’d have had a penalty with VAR for the push on Josh Campbell, following up a saved shot in first half and I’d like to see the one on Henderson as well just as he was about to shoot.

The referee signalled for an indirect free kick, putting his arm in the air, hence why I think they have made up the decision

PaulSmith
13-10-2022, 08:07 PM
The referee signalled for an indirect free kick, putting his arm in the air, hence why I think they have made up the decision

He didn’t though, I watched him carefully at the time when the free kick was being taken.

BoomtownHibees
13-10-2022, 08:18 PM
He didn’t though, I watched him carefully at the time when the free kick was being taken.

I’m sure his arm went up when the foul was given as my mate thought it was for offside and I thought it was for high feet. Seems none of us got it right

brog
13-10-2022, 08:50 PM
Definitely not an indirect free kick. The free kick was given for the alleged push by Youan before his attempt at goal, the decision was communicated to the ref by the lino across at the Dundee Utd stand. Even though the ref was watching that himself and the Lino was 90 yards from the incident.

I’m sure a stronger ref would’ve told the assistant to shut up as it’s not credible to get involved in that.

Also certain that we’d have had a penalty with VAR for the push on Josh Campbell, following up a saved shot in first half and I’d like to see the one on Henderson as well just as he was about to shoot.

Thanks for this Paul. I'm not completely convinced though. At no time did the lino raise his flag. You would have thought he would have done that to attract the ref's attention. FWIW I got the impression it was the ref who initiated the conversation with the lino. It was almost as if the ref suspected, but wasn't sure, that an offence had occurred and almost coerced the lino into agreeing. I was a ref a long time ago and I was always a keen observer of body language. Neither the player beside Youan or any other DU player appealed for a foul. I find it hard to believe that a player who was fouled in the immediate lead up to a goal, would not appeal for the free ,kick. A ludicrous decision and a ludicrous process that we can't get clarity.
PS, I think Josh C had strayed offside by time Mikey shot so don't think VAR would have helped us there though there was no doubting the DU player's intent.

WeeRussell
13-10-2022, 08:54 PM
Edwards elbow on Porto off the ball

Cheers Jim

weecounty hibby
13-10-2022, 08:57 PM
If you watch it again from the lower pitch side camera the ref actually goes to put his whistle to his mouth and turns to run back to centre circle. He then looks to linesman who I do t think makes any signal, he then decides to disallow the goal. There was plenty time for him to blow between the supposed push and Myk putting the ball in the net. He didn't do so. It's as dodgy as ****

PaulSmith
13-10-2022, 09:00 PM
Thanks for this Paul. I'm not completely convinced though. At no time did the lino raise his flag. You would have thought he would have done that to attract the ref's attention. FWIW I got the impression it was the ref who initiated the conversation with the lino. It was almost as if the ref suspected, but wasn't sure, that an offence had occurred and almost coerced the lino into agreeing. I was a ref a long time ago and I was always a keen observer of body language. Neither the player beside Youan or any other DU player appealed for a foul. I find it hard to believe that a player who was fouled in the immediate lead up to a goal, would not appeal for the free ,kick. A ludicrous decision and a ludicrous process that we can't get clarity.
PS, I think Josh C had strayed offside by time Mikey shot so don't think VAR would have helped us there though there was no doubting the DU player's intent.

Modern times.. comms equipment rather than a flag!

As Josh hadn’t committed an offside offence then a pen would still be given, wouldn’t be a red card though. Bizarre as it sounds.

brog
13-10-2022, 09:33 PM
Modern times.. comms equipment rather than a flag!

As Josh hadn’t committed an offside offence then a pen would still be given, wouldn’t be a red card though. Bizarre as it sounds.

I agree they were talking to each other by comms but I think intuitively a lino would have raised his flag first. I agree with Wee County above that ref initiated it and that there's something at least untoward there.

JimBHibees
14-10-2022, 06:17 AM
I agree they were talking to each other by comms but I think intuitively a lino would have raised his flag first. I agree with Wee County above that ref initiated it and that there's something at least untoward there.

Don't think he would raise his flag if the discussion was do you think that was a foul? Hibs have scored so definitely was :greengrin

brog
14-10-2022, 12:56 PM
Don't think he would raise his flag if the discussion was do you think that was a foul? Hibs have scored so definitely was :greengrin

I think you're spot on!