SWNT vs Ireland

[hibby rae]

Results kind of going our way so far.

Wales winning 1 nil and the other is a draw at half time

[SteveHFC]

Wales now 1 1

[hibby rae]

Wales now 1 1

Well if it could stay as that, with them winning via penalties, then that would be ideal

[Glory Lurker]

What is the maths we need

[The dalmeny]

Well if it could stay as that, with them winning via penalties, then that would be ideal

Forgot it was play to a finish

[hibby rae]

What is the maths we need

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63186523

"Scotland need one of Wales or Portugal to win - but not win too well as both could pass the Scots in the rankings depending on results. If Portugal win by more goals than Scotland, they overtake them.

If Scotland win on penalties and Wales win in normal time, they will overtake Scotland. Scotland cannot pass Switzerland if they win on penalties and would need to win by 13 goals to pass Iceland if they win on penalties."

[Glory Lurker]

Thanks!

[cabbageandribs1875]

13 mins Penalty Scotland, saved easily...

[hibby rae]

If they meant that at the throw in, that's ballsy as ****

[cabbageandribs1875]

FT

Portugal 4 Iceland 1 AET
Switzerland 2 Wales 1 winner scored on 120+1, bummer for the welsh though tbf possession was 72%/28% & 19/4 on shots


lets hope that penalty miss doesn't cost Scotland


we need to score three now to avoid the intercontinental play-off ? that ain't happening

[Glory Lurker]

That'll be that, then

[hibby rae]

Very poor tonight. Didn't turn up at all. Chucked it.

[Glory Lurker]

Pro IRA chants in the Irish dressing room after the game. I hope they get emptied out first round with a huge goals against to nil.

[Billy Whizz]

Pro IRA chants in the Irish dressing room after the game. I hope they get emptied out first round with a huge goals against to nil.

Should be emptied out of the tournament, what example is this setting
Absolutely disgraceful

[Broken Gnome]

Pro IRA chants in the Irish dressing room after the game. I hope they get emptied out first round with a huge goals against to nil.

About as brain-dead as you can get - your big day of celebration, ruined by singing it, filming it and someone actually making it public.

[cabbageandribs1875]

boot them out

[He's here!]

Pro IRA chants in the Irish dressing room after the game. I hope they get emptied out first round with a huge goals against to nil.

Republic of Ireland women: FAI and manager Pauw apologise for players' IRA chant after play-off win - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63227404)

FAI have apologised but it seems extraordinary to me that this would be something the Irish women's squad would even consider chanting. Surely this is unusual?

[Antifa Hibs]

How dare they.

All we did was take over their country, erase their culture, language and identify, murder and displace millions and still own a part of their country today. And they repay us by singing a song. Shocking.

This is the problem with the internet. People who know nothing get outraged at everything.

Rebel songs and the IRA aren't exactly controversial in Ireland (well except from the loyalists in North). But let's not allow history to get in the way of some faux outrage on the internet about a subject most Britons know absolutely nothing about.

The only crime commited is out of all the rebel songs they have choose pretty much the worst of them all to sing.

FAI should tell any Briton offended by Irish people celebrating Irish history in a private closed off dressing room to **** off and everyone else can stop being offended at nothing and carry on with your lives.

[green day]

Republic of Ireland women: FAI and manager Pauw apologise for players' IRA chant after play-off win - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63227404)

FAI have apologised but it seems extraordinary to me that this would be something the Irish women's squad would even consider chanting. Surely this is unusual?

Their apology is a load of ***** as well - lots of "sorry if you were offended" type of stuff from the manager and also one of the players -

"We'd like to apologise for that for anyone that was offended," added O'Gorman.


Her team-mate Chloe Mustaki added that the players were "extremely sorry for the hurt it's caused".


"A lapse in judgement in the moment. We're extremely sorry and hopefully we can move past it," added Mustaki

A lapse of judgement my arse.

[Irish_Steve]

How dare they.

All we did was take over their country, erase their culture, language and identify, murder and displace millions and still own a part of their country today. And they repay us by singing a song. Shocking.

This is the problem with the internet. People who know nothing get outraged at everything.

Rebel songs and the IRA aren't exactly controversial in Ireland (well except from the loyalists in North). But let's not allow history to get in the way of some faux outrage on the internet about a subject most Britons know absolutely nothing about.

The only crime commited is out of all the rebel songs they have choose pretty much the worst of them all to sing.

FAI should tell any Briton offended by Irish people celebrating Irish history in a private closed off dressing room to **** off and everyone else can stop being offended at nothing and carry on with your lives.


Let's face it, a lot of Irish people know hee-haw about the subject either.

[He's here!]

How dare they.

All we did was take over their country, erase their culture, language and identify, murder and displace millions and still own a part of their country today. And they repay us by singing a song. Shocking.

This is the problem with the internet. People who know nothing get outraged at everything.

Rebel songs and the IRA aren't exactly controversial in Ireland (well except from the loyalists in North). But let's not allow history to get in the way of some faux outrage on the internet about a subject most Britons know absolutely nothing about.

The only crime commited is out of all the rebel songs they have choose pretty much the worst of them all to sing.

FAI should tell any Briton offended by Irish people celebrating Irish history in a private closed off dressing room to **** off and everyone else can stop being offended at nothing and carry on with your lives.

Judging by the tone of your post do you actually mean the best of them all? :wink:

[JeMeSouviens]

Republic of Ireland women: FAI and manager Pauw apologise for players' IRA chant after play-off win - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63227404)

FAI have apologised but it seems extraordinary to me that this would be something the Irish women's squad would even consider chanting. Surely this is unusual?

Context is that they're singing along to "Celtic Symphony" by the Wolfe Tones, which is actually about our beloved Weegie chums, the lesser greens*, but works "ooh ah up the 'ra" into the chorus by having it as "graffiti on the wall, for the Celts". :rolleyes: Presumably someone in the RoI womens' team is a Celtc fan.

More context is that a big chunk of Ireland is quite happy to sing along to rebel songs when they've had enough guinness. It doesn't usually mean they supported the provos.


* possibly even commissioned by Celtc? Istr it having to do with their centenary.

[Antifa Hibs]

Context is that they're singing along to "Celtic Symphony" by the Wolfe Tones, which is actually about our beloved Weegie chums, the lesser greens*, but works "ooh ah up the 'ra" into the chorus by having it as "graffiti on the wall, for the Celts". :rolleyes: Presumably someone in the RoI womens' team is a Celtc fan.

More context is that a big chunk of Ireland is quite happy to sing along to rebel songs when they've had enough guinness. It doesn't usually mean they supported the provos.


* possibly even commissioned by Celtc? Istr it having to do with their centenary.

Ssshhhh we don't do context anymore. This is the age of sensationalism and click-bait. And sky sports and talk sport have tweeted they're outraged so that's all there is to it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

force them to replay last nights game as a punishment

















:whistle:

[Glory Lurker]

How dare they.

All we did was take over their country, erase their culture, language and identify, murder and displace millions and still own a part of their country today. And they repay us by singing a song. Shocking.

This is the problem with the internet. People who know nothing get outraged at everything.

Rebel songs and the IRA aren't exactly controversial in Ireland (well except from the loyalists in North). But let's not allow history to get in the way of some faux outrage on the internet about a subject most Britons know absolutely nothing about.

The only crime commited is out of all the rebel songs they have choose pretty much the worst of them all to sing.

FAI should tell any Briton offended by Irish people celebrating Irish history in a private closed off dressing room to **** off and everyone else can stop being offended at nothing and carry on with your lives.

Nothing faux here, chief. And thanks for the condescension.

[Mcbizz1998]

Republic of Ireland women: FAI and manager Pauw apologise for players' IRA chant after play-off win - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63227404)

FAI have apologised but it seems extraordinary to me that this would be something the Irish women's squad would even consider chanting. Surely this is unusual?

That is truly bizarre behaviour. Of all the things to come into your head after winning a game of football.

[Mcbizz1998]

How dare they.

All we did was take over their country, erase their culture, language and identify, murder and displace millions and still own a part of their country today. And they repay us by singing a song. Shocking.

This is the problem with the internet. People who know nothing get outraged at everything.

Rebel songs and the IRA aren't exactly controversial in Ireland (well except from the loyalists in North). But let's not allow history to get in the way of some faux outrage on the internet about a subject most Britons know absolutely nothing about.

The only crime commited is out of all the rebel songs they have choose pretty much the worst of them all to sing.

FAI should tell any Briton offended by Irish people celebrating Irish history in a private closed off dressing room to **** off and everyone else can stop being offended at nothing and carry on with your lives.

Antifa Hibs…. says it all really [emoji23]

[hibby rae]

Antifa Hibs…. says it all really [emoji23]

Whilst I disagree with some of their post on this occasion, Antifa just means anti-fascist. Which is a quite reasonable position.

[Irish_Steve]

I’m defending neither as I think they are both wrong, read that but again but what’s the difference between what Kyle Lafferty said and what these girls sung

Both pretty odious in my eyes but Lafferty will be rightfully punished, why shouldn’t the Irish Women’s Team be punished too.

I know both are regulated by different associations

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

[QUOTE=cabbageandribs1875;7126959]force them to replay last nights game as a punishment

















:whistle:[/QUOTE

The punishment would be for signing songs that have absolutely nothing to do with football. That might set a handy precident for the SPL.

[The Harp Awakes]

How dare they.

All we did was take over their country, erase their culture, language and identify, murder and displace millions and still own a part of their country today. And they repay us by singing a song. Shocking.

This is the problem with the internet. People who know nothing get outraged at everything.

Rebel songs and the IRA aren't exactly controversial in Ireland (well except from the loyalists in North). But let's not allow history to get in the way of some faux outrage on the internet about a subject most Britons know absolutely nothing about.

The only crime commited is out of all the rebel songs they have choose pretty much the worst of them all to sing.

FAI should tell any Briton offended by Irish people celebrating Irish history in a private closed off dressing room to **** off and everyone else can stop being offended at nothing and carry on with your lives.

Correct and meanwhile the British atrocities in Ireland over hundreds of years continually get swept under the carpet as if they never happened.

Not a great choice of song for sure, but many folk in Ireland commonly refer to the Union Flag as the butchers apron, so a bit of context needs to be applied.

[marinello59]

This seems like a big fuss about nothing. . They can sing what they want in the dressing room as far as I’m concerned.

[Pagan Hibernia]

How dare they.

All we did was take over their country, erase their culture, language and identify, murder and displace millions and still own a part of their country today. And they repay us by singing a song. Shocking.

This is the problem with the internet. People who know nothing get outraged at everything.

Rebel songs and the IRA aren't exactly controversial in Ireland (well except from the loyalists in North). But let's not allow history to get in the way of some faux outrage on the internet about a subject most Britons know absolutely nothing about.

The only crime commited is out of all the rebel songs they have choose pretty much the worst of them all to sing.

FAI should tell any Briton offended by Irish people celebrating Irish history in a private closed off dressing room to **** off and everyone else can stop being offended at nothing and carry on with your lives.

loyalists were not the only people in Ireland to be disgusted by the likes of Enniskillen… Kingsmills… Darkly… Bloody Friday… Warrington… The shankill bombing etc.

And they murdered many Irish catholics too. I doubt the grieving families of those people celebrate the IRA as part of Irish history.

to point that out is not to sweep British atrocities under the carpet.

anyway, as someone else here pointed out, a lot of people will just sing along to these crap songs almost as a reflex action, without being RA supporters

[Mcbizz1998]

Whilst I disagree with some of their post on this occasion, Antifa just means anti-fascist. Which is a quite reasonable position.

I know what it means, thanks though.

I also know exactly who they are and how they act. Unsurprising someone with that username doesn’t mind songs supporting terrorists.

[hibby rae]

I know what it means, thanks though.

I also know exactly who they are and how they act. Unsurprising someone with that username doesn’t mind songs supporting terrorists.

Sounds like you've bought the hype from Fox and their UK brethren if you think being that way is akin to being a terrorist.

[The Harp Awakes]

I know what it means, thanks though.

I also know exactly who they are and how they act. Unsurprising someone with that username doesn’t mind songs supporting terrorists.

The well used phrase 'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter' is never far off the mark.

From a personal point of view, the atrocities committed by paramilitaries on both sides in Northern Ireland/England during the troubles were despicable. Just as dispicable though was the part played by the British state and army during the troubles who assisted loyalist terrorists.

That era should not be confused by the fight undertaken by the Irish rebels in 1916 which led to the setting up of the Irish state in the 1920s. They fought against British tyranny and 16 of their leaders were executed by the British State. Edinburgh's own James Connolly was one of them, dragged from his hospital bed and tied to a chair before being shot multiple times by a British army firing squad at Kilmainan Gaol.

Irish history is complicated. Things are not black and white. Many people over the world find GSTQ offensive because of the British Empire and their acts over centuries.

And by the way, as a proud Scot, I was desperately wanting the Scots' girls to win naturally.

[Pagan Hibernia]

The well used phrase 'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter' is never far off the mark.

From a personal point of view, the atrocities committed by paramilitaries on both sides in Northern Ireland/England during the troubles were despicable. Just as dispicable though was the part played by the British state and army during the troubles who assisted loyalist terrorists.

That era should not be confused by the fight undertaken by the Irish rebels in 1916 which led to the setting up of the Irish state in the 1920s. They fought against British tyranny and 16 of their leaders were executed by the British State. Edinburgh's own James Connolly was one of them, dragged from his hospital bed and tied to a chair before being shot multiple times by a British army firing squad at Kilmainan Gaol.

Irish history is complicated. Things are not black and white. Many people over the world find GSTQ offensive because of the British Empire and their acts over centuries.

:agree:

[Mcbizz1998]

Sounds like you've bought the hype from Fox and their UK brethren if you think being that way is akin to being a terrorist.


I never said akin to a terrorist but just google them mate. Burning down police stations, smashing up the Democratic HQ with knives and batons, burning down private businesses in Portland, the list goes on.

I don’t need to watch Fox News to know these people are not simply “anti-fascist” - they are frequently violent and use intimidation tactics against anyone they deem to be “fascist”, which in their book seems to be anyone who doesn’t align with their frequently extreme left agenda. So don’t tell me that they are ok because their name sounds reasonable.

The National Socialist German Workers party should be a lesson in how a name doesn’t necessarily reflect what a group stands for.

[Mcbizz1998]

The well used phrase 'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter' is never far off the mark.

From a personal point of view, the atrocities committed by paramilitaries on both sides in Northern Ireland/England during the troubles were despicable. Just as dispicable though was the part played by the British state and army during the troubles who assisted loyalist terrorists.

That era should not be confused by the fight undertaken by the Irish rebels in 1916 which led to the setting up of the Irish state in the 1920s. They fought against British tyranny and 16 of their leaders were executed by the British State. Edinburgh's own James Connolly was one of them, dragged from his hospital bed and tied to a chair before being shot multiple times by a British army firing squad at Kilmainan Gaol.

Irish history is complicated. Things are not black and white. Many people over the world find GSTQ offensive because of the British Empire and their acts over centuries.

And by the way, as a proud Scot, I was desperately wanting the Scots' girls to win naturally.

I agree with all of that, mate.

But let’s not pretend it’s acceptable to sing about the IRA after winning a football match.

[The Harp Awakes]

I agree with all of that, mate.

But let’s not pretend it’s acceptable to sing about the IRA after winning a football match.

I agree with you mate. It was an inappropriate song the Irish girls sang for sure.

The confusion though is that the 16 members of the IRA who were executed in 1916 are celebrated in Ireland as effectively being the founders of the Irish Republic.

For many Irish people there's a difference between the rebels of the early and late 20th centuries.

[Mcbizz1998]

I agree with you mate. It was an inappropriate song the Irish girls sang for sure.

The confusion though is that the 16 members of the IRA who were executed in 1916 are celebrated in Ireland as effectively being the founders of the Irish Republic.

For many Irish people there's a difference between the rebels of the early and late 20th centuries.

An important distinction and a good point well made [emoji106] I tend to get too hung up on the more recent incarnation but you are right, it’s broader than that.

[Antifa Hibs]

I never said akin to a terrorist but just google them mate. Burning down police stations, smashing up the Democratic HQ with knives and batons, burning down private businesses in Portland, the list goes on.

I don’t need to watch Fox News to know these people are not simply “anti-fascist” - they are frequently violent and use intimidation tactics against anyone they deem to be “fascist”, which in their book seems to be anyone who doesn’t align with their frequently extreme left agenda. So don’t tell me that they are ok because their name sounds reasonable.

The National Socialist German Workers party should be a lesson in how a name doesn’t necessarily reflect what a group stands for.

Stop following Piers Morgan, Donald Trumps son and Jeremy Clarkson on twitter.



I agree with all of that, mate.

But let’s not pretend it’s acceptable to sing about the IRA after winning a football match.

Is the Braveheart remix they play at Hampden acceptable? Whats that got to do with football? What if the Italians sang Bella Ciao, should we be outraged at that too? What is some Spanish sang No Pasaran, should they be forced to say sorry aswell. In 50 years time if Ukrainians sing a song about liberating their country from Putin is that also disgraceful? Or is it only the Irish who can't sing about their history, fight, struggles and freedom because some from the colonial empire might find it sad.

If it was Celtic womens team I 100% agree, it would be a WTF moment. But still astounded how British people feel outraged about Irish people singing a song about Ireland - especially after what the Brits put their country through. Crazy.

Anyway enough for me cos we'll go round and round in circles. See you all in 4 weeks for the 15th edition of "Poppy Gate" - "James McLean", "Celtic fans" ARRRRGGGHHHH

[cameronw-hfc]

Doesn't bother me that they sang it, after the years of oppression, they've every right to still feel a little unfairly treated over the years and kinda makes sense they still identify with rebel songs etc.

What's more astounding was the mental comment from the Sky Sports presenter to the Irish lass along the lines of "do you think more education on your history is required?". From an Englishman to an Irish woman. Listened back a few times and honestly couldn't believe he asked that.

[Mcbizz1998]

Stop following Piers Morgan, Donald Trumps son and Jeremy Clarkson on twitter.




Is the Braveheart remix they play at Hampden acceptable? Whats that got to do with football? What if the Italians sang Bella Ciao, should we be outraged at that too? What is some Spanish sang No Pasaran, should they be forced to say sorry aswell. In 50 years time if Ukrainians sing a song about liberating their country from Putin is that also disgraceful? Or is it only the Irish who can't sing about their history, fight, struggles and freedom because some from the colonial empire might find it sad.

If it was Celtic womens team I 100% agree, it would be a WTF moment. But still astounded how British people feel outraged about Irish people singing a song about Ireland - especially after what the Brits put their country through. Crazy.

Anyway enough for me cos we'll go round and round in circles. See you all in 4 weeks for the 15th edition of "Poppy Gate" - "James McLean", "Celtic fans" ARRRRGGGHHHH

I don’t have Twitter, I’m a grown man. Anyway, you failed to address any of the points so yes - let’s leave it at that.

[He's here!]

Stop following Piers Morgan, Donald Trumps son and Jeremy Clarkson on twitter.




Is the Braveheart remix they play at Hampden acceptable? Whats that got to do with football? What if the Italians sang Bella Ciao, should we be outraged at that too? What is some Spanish sang No Pasaran, should they be forced to say sorry aswell. In 50 years time if Ukrainians sing a song about liberating their country from Putin is that also disgraceful? Or is it only the Irish who can't sing about their history, fight, struggles and freedom because some from the colonial empire might find it sad.

If it was Celtic womens team I 100% agree, it would be a WTF moment. But still astounded how British people feel outraged about Irish people singing a song about Ireland - especially after what the Brits put their country through. Crazy.

Anyway enough for me cos we'll go round and round in circles. See you all in 4 weeks for the 15th edition of "Poppy Gate" - "James McLean", "Celtic fans" ARRRRGGGHHHH

Problem with your argument is that (as far as I'm aware) players from those 'what if' nations DON'T sing such songs after winning football matches so the Irish aren't being singled out here.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Stop following Piers Morgan, Donald Trumps son and Jeremy Clarkson on twitter.




Is the Braveheart remix they play at Hampden acceptable? Whats that got to do with football? What if the Italians sang Bella Ciao, should we be outraged at that too? What is some Spanish sang No Pasaran, should they be forced to say sorry aswell. In 50 years time if Ukrainians sing a song about liberating their country from Putin is that also disgraceful? Or is it only the Irish who can't sing about their history, fight, struggles and freedom because some from the colonial empire might find it sad.

If it was Celtic womens team I 100% agree, it would be a WTF moment. But still astounded how British people feel outraged about Irish people singing a song about Ireland - especially after what the Brits put their country through. Crazy.

Anyway enough for me cos we'll go round and round in circles. See you all in 4 weeks for the 15th edition of "Poppy Gate" - "James McLean", "Celtic fans" ARRRRGGGHHHH

maybe if they hadn’t sullied the very noble cause of Irish freedom and unity with the blood of so many innocents, and had limited their targets to the forces of oppression then they might have more in common with the genuine anti fascists of Spain and the like.

the Irish war of Independence against imperialism is not the same as The Troubles, which was a filthy conflict from which no side emerged as heroes.

[Irish_Steve]

maybe if they hadn’t sullied the very noble cause of Irish freedom and unity with the blood of so many innocents, and had limited their targets to the forces of oppression then they might have more in common with the genuine anti fascists of Spain and the like.

the Irish war of Independence against imperialism is not the same as The Troubles, which was a filthy conflict from which no side emerged as heroes.

The IRA of the war of independence and the IRA of the Troubles are too different beasts though. In fact, the original IRA were often laughed about in Ireland with the locals saying IRA stood for I Ran Away

I think most people now associate the phrase “ Up the Ra” with the Providinal IRA, an organisation that took part in that awful conflict from which no side emerged as heroes

[Billy Whizz]

UEFA have opened an investigation into this now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63242412

[Brightside]

Great to get some focus on the womens game.

[BSEJVT]

Singing that was a complete own goal and sadly has taken a bit away from their achievement in qualifying.

Sadder for me I think is the need for some posters to continuously trawl up the misdeeds of the past in reference to our Irish Heritage, it has long passed its usefulness and smacks more of personal/political agendas.

If I wanted to engage in that type of discussion I would use a more appropriate forum. I am frankly sick fed up hearing about it and the fact that the same few posters will beat their drum whenever there is an opportunity to do so.

Those of us who want to know, know where we came from and many have no great feeling on the topic either way as it is bears no relevance as to why we are Hibs supporters.

For me personally, it is about family and where they grew up and our family's history of supporting Hibs.

I am proud of the things Hibs do to help and support the community but have often thought that harking back to past days harms us more than it helps us. Our story should be about how we overcame all the obstacles placed in front of us to take our place in society, not constantly wallowing back in those desperate times.

i.e. proving that anything is possible, not that you should be downtrodden forever because of the past.

Similarly, those of us who are so-minded are well able to research our histories and to find out and deal with some of the atrocities perpetuated supposedly in our name by the governments and ruling classes of the past, not just in Ireland but around the world, but it is just that, the past.

Whilst history informs us of the past, we have more than enough troubles to deal with at present and sad and personal as some people's histories are, many of us don't need to be constantly reminded of them as we all have our own different crosses to bear.

We would be far better employed holding the ****wits of today to account and actually trying to effect change than this constant woe is me for the past and trying to refight yesterday's battles.

Frankly, until we move on Scotland & Ireland will be mired in the issues of the past and there are very few completely clean hands in that particular pie.

[Since90+2]

Singing that was a complete own goal and sadly has taken a bit away from their achievement in qualifying.

Sadder for me I think is the need for some posters to continuously trawl up the misdeeds of the past in reference to our Irish Heritage, it has long passed its usefulness and smacks more of personal/political agendas.

If I wanted to engage in that type of discussion I would use a more appropriate forum. I am frankly sick fed up hearing about it and the fact that the same few posters will beat their drum whenever there is an opportunity to do so.

Those of us who want to know, know where we came from and many have no great feeling on the topic either way as it is bears no relevance as to why we are Hibs supporters.

For me personally, it is about family and where they grew up and our family's history of supporting Hibs.

I am proud of the things Hibs do to help and support the community but have often thought that harking back to past days harms us more than it helps us. Our story should be about how we overcame all the obstacles placed in front of us to take our place in society, not constantly wallowing back in those desperate times.

i.e. proving that anything is possible, not that you should be downtrodden forever because of the past.

Similarly, those of us who are so-minded are well able to research our histories and to find out and deal with some of the atrocities perpetuated supposedly in our name by the governments and ruling classes of the past, not just in Ireland but around the world, but it is just that, the past.

Whilst history informs us of the past, we have more than enough troubles to deal with at present and sad and personal as some people's histories are, many of us don't need to be constantly reminded of them as we all have our own different crosses to bear.

We would be far better employed holding the ****wits of today to account and actually trying to effect change than this constant woe is me for the past and trying to refight yesterday's battles.

Frankly, until we move on Scotland & Ireland will be mired in the issues of the past and there are very few completely clean hands in that particular pie.

Great post.

[McIntosh]

How dare they.

All we did was take over their country, erase their culture, language and identify, murder and displace millions and still own a part of their country today. And they repay us by singing a song. Shocking.

This is the problem with the internet. People who know nothing get outraged at everything.

Rebel songs and the IRA aren't exactly controversial in Ireland (well except from the loyalists in North). But let's not allow history to get in the way of some faux outrage on the internet about a subject most Britons know absolutely nothing about.

The only crime commited is out of all the rebel songs they have choose pretty much the worst of them all to sing.

FAI should tell any Briton offended by Irish people celebrating Irish history in a private closed off dressing room to **** off and everyone else can stop being offended at nothing and carry on with your lives.

Next to Easter Road is a cemetery, in it lies a young man who was buried in his Hibs top, his mother specifically wished this. He came from a working-class community in north Edinburgh. After the de-industrialization of the 1980s, the only job he could get was in the army, not an uncommon job prospect at that time. He was killed by the IRA, a bunch of sub-human monsters whom I will always hate and despise, even though I was brought up to forgive.

Out of respect to his family, I will not name him but there will be many here who knew him at Ainslie Park and will be familiar with this type of tragedy. As for these footballers, all they have exposed is that never far away is the bile. I don't know what sanction they will face, if any, but shameful it is, there is no place for it, there never really was.

[CropleyWasGod]

I hope the team are on royalties. They might raise enough to pay any fine.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/national/uk-today/23047955.itunes-charts-uk-pro-ira-song-celtic-symphony-climbs-chart-irish-womens-team-backlash/