Ian Gordon

[bingo70]

The guy got absolute dogs abuse after a slow start so it’s only fair to praise him for the recent upturn in our form.

IMO we’ve put together a pretty decent squad for this season. LJ, Ian/Ron Gordon and the recruitment team deserve some credit for that IMO.

Long may it continue.

[H18 SFR]

Totally agree.

[Since452]

Yup. If he can take the flack then he deserves credit when it's going well.

[Donegal Hibby]

The guy got absolute dogs abuse after a slow start so it’s only fair to praise him for the recent upturn in our form.

IMO we’ve put together a pretty decent squad for this season. LJ, Ian/Ron Gordon and the recruitment team deserve some credit for that IMO.

Long may it continue.
Here , here . They deserve a bit of praise for a change . Good post :top marks

[Unseen work]

The squad is very very strong on paper.

4 wins in a row, 3rd in the league and still some very important players to come back.

It emphasises the strength when you see the different squads we could put out;

………………………..Marshall…………

Cadden……..Porteous……Hanlon….Cabraja…..

…………………Kenneh…….Newell……

Boyle………………..Campbell……….Youan……

………………………Kukharevych……

Team 2;

………………………..Schofield………

Miller…………Rocky………..Fish…….Stevenson…..

…………………Magennis……JDH….

McKirdy………..Henderson…….McGeady…..

………………………….Nisbet……

That’s not including

Dabrowski
McGregor
Mitchell
Tavares
Bojang
Melkersen

He deserves huge credit, that second team would be capable of winning a fair amount of games. Squad is a bit bloated and I could see us moving a couple on in January but for the turnaround we’ve had in the summer we’re in a good place.

Gordon also deserves credit for any part he played in getting Johnson.

[Heisenberg]

The guy got absolute dogs abuse after a slow start so it’s only fair to praise him for the recent upturn in our form.

IMO we’ve put together a pretty decent squad for this season. LJ, Ian/Ron Gordon and the recruitment team deserve some credit for that IMO.

Long may it continue.

Can’t argue with that. Looking like we’ve signed a few good players.

[A Hi-Bee]

Aye but,but but, what do they know about soccer, good on em, well done to all involved.
GGTTH

:aok:

[The Harp Awakes]

Boyle and Marshall have been outstanding signings to be fair.

[Golden Bear]

All very encouraging - both on and off the park. That's the way I see it but you'll never satisfy everyone.

[bingo70]

Boyle and Marshall have been outstanding signings to be fair.

I think Kenneh and Cabreja have been excellent too.

The big man up front looks a good find too.

[The Modfather]

The guy got absolute dogs abuse after a slow start so it’s only fair to praise him for the recent upturn in our form.

IMO we’ve put together a pretty decent squad for this season. LJ, Ian/Ron Gordon and the recruitment team deserve some credit for that IMO.

Long may it continue.

Think a good bit of the criticism is/was merited, but by the same token we look to be on an upward trajectory and closer to building decent foundations than needing major surgery each window. Credit where it’s due, it can quickly unravel, but we look to be in a much better place all round than It seemed 3 or 4 months ago.

Having a function midfield and one that is now chipping in with goals is a big part of the upturn, IMO, so Johnson deserves a lot of credit too.

[brog]

The guy got absolute dogs abuse after a slow start so it’s only fair to praise him for the recent upturn in our form.

IMO we’ve put together a pretty decent squad for this season. LJ, Ian/Ron Gordon and the recruitment team deserve some credit for that IMO.

Long may it continue.

Couldn't agree more. The breadth of our recruitment has been staggering. We've got promising young English players, experienced internationals and players from Croatia, Ukraine, France etc etc underpinned with a defence containing 4 Scotland internationalists.
We're short on cover at CB but otherwise we have strength in depth all over the park. Long may it continue.

[The Harp Awakes]

I think Kenneh and Cabreja have been excellent too.

The big man up front looks a good find too.

Agreed. Thought the big fella had an excellent 2nd half today.

[gbhibby]

The squad is very very strong on paper.

4 wins in a row, 3rd in the league and still some very important players to come back.

It emphasises the strength when you see the different squads we could put out;

………………………..Marshall…………

Cadden……..Porteous……Hanlon….Cabraja…..

…………………Kenneh…….Newell……

Boyle………………..Campbell……….Youan……

………………………Kukharevych……

Team 2;

………………………..Schofield………

Miller…………Rocky………..Fish…….Stevenson…..

…………………Magennis……JDH….

McKirdy………..Henderson…….McGeady…..

………………………….Nisbet……

That’s not including

Dabrowski
McGregor
Mitchell
Tavares
Bojang
Melkersen

He deserves huge credit, that second team would be capable of winning a fair amount of games. Squad is a bit bloated and I could see us moving a couple on in January but for the turnaround we’ve had in the summer we’re in a good place.

Gordon also deserves credit for any part he played in getting Johnson.
If we add the players out on loan we have 3 teams we could put on the park.

[SteveHFC]

The squad is very very strong on paper.

4 wins in a row, 3rd in the league and still some very important players to come back.

It emphasises the strength when you see the different squads we could put out;

………………………..Marshall…………

Cadden……..Porteous……Hanlon….Cabraja…..

…………………Kenneh…….Newell……

Boyle………………..Campbell……….Youan……

………………………Kukharevych……

Team 2;

………………………..Schofield………

Miller…………Rocky………..Fish…….Stevenson…..

…………………Magennis……JDH….

McKirdy………..Henderson…….McGeady…..

………………………….Nisbet……

That’s not including

Dabrowski
McGregor
Mitchell
Tavares
Bojang
Melkersen

He deserves huge credit, that second team would be capable of winning a fair amount of games. Squad is a bit bloated and I could see us moving a couple on in January but for the turnaround we’ve had in the summer we’re in a good place.

Gordon also deserves credit for any part he played in getting Johnson.

Wouldn't be surprised if Melkersen goes on loan.

[Lago]

The guy got absolute dogs abuse after a slow start so it’s only fair to praise him for the recent upturn in our form.

IMO we’ve put together a pretty decent squad for this season. LJ, Ian/Ron Gordon and the recruitment team deserve some credit for that IMO.

Long may it continue.
Spot on well said 👍

[Greencore]

We have been crying out for an experianxed goalie for years. Well done

[Crab apple]

The guy got absolute dogs abuse after a slow start so it’s only fair to praise him for the recent upturn in our form.

IMO we’ve put together a pretty decent squad for this season. LJ, Ian/Ron Gordon and the recruitment team deserve some credit for that IMO.

Long may it continue.

Well said. He was sitting just along from us in the upper west in amongst the press pack.

[MWHIBBIES]

We have been crying out for an experianxed goalie for years. Well done

1 year. Marciano was excellent for Hibs. Marshall has been excellent so far too.

[Spike Mandela]

9 league games in and other than Boyle none of our strikers have scored. Would like to see on of the new guys go on a goal scoring spree.

[Since452]

I defended Macey when he was here a fair bit. I didn't think he was a bad keeper at all but Marshall is just a different level. Brings a calmness to the whole defence. The difference a good keeper makes is massive. He's our Craig Gordon.

[Since90+2]

Let's see where we are at the end of the season, otherwise it will be a constant back and forth. Judge him on our position come the end of May.

[bingo70]

Let's see where we are at the end of the season, otherwise it will be a constant back and forth. Judge him on our position come the end of May.

I agree with that. He wasn’t afforded that luxury after a few bad results though so it’s only fair to balance it out with some praise after a few good results.

[Pretty Boy]

He's just an administrator, doesn't have anything to do with actually identifying the players:devil::wink:

Seriously sqaud looks better than I thought it would. There's a couple of duds in there who I don't expect to be around for long but far more who are making a positive contribution or who will get their chance in time.

[Since90+2]

I agree with that. He wasn’t afforded that luxury after a few bad results though so it’s only fair to balance it out with some praise after a few good results.

Agree with that.

He's not the manager though so fluctuations in form are more a discussion point for the manager than IG.

[Torto7]

He's just an administrator, doesn't have anything to do with actually identifying the players:devil::wink:

Seriously sqaud looks better than I thought it would. There's a couple of duds in there who I don't expect to be around for long but far more who are making a positive contribution or who will get their chance in time.

:agree: He's has no say whatsoever in scouting. He's merely gaining experience in the department and rubber stamps our moves within the budget set. One day he might be running the club. Learning it inside out is a good thing. Some of the comments on here over the window were verging on the crazy side.

[Partyraiser]

1 year. Marciano was excellent for Hibs. Marshall has been excellent so far too.

Marshall is a class above Marciano

[bigwheel]

Marshall is a class above Marciano

Better with ball at his feet - not seen much difference in between the sticks. Imagine Marshall is a more important character in the dressing room

[MWHIBBIES]

Marshall is a class above Marciano

Possibly yes, but we were not crying out to replace rocky for the 5 years he was here. A very good keeper.

[Jones28]

Yup. If he can take the flack then he deserves credit when it's going well.

Exactly this, and there will be some conspicuous absences from this thread, you can absolutely guarantee it.

[ronaldo7]

Boyle and Marshall have been outstanding signings to be fair.

I wondered why we went out and signed another goalie, but fair play, Marsh has been outstanding, and settled the whole defence

[Greencore]

I defended Macey when he was here a fair bit. I didn't think he was a bad keeper at all but Marshall is just a different level. Brings a calmness to the whole defence. The difference a good keeper makes is massive. He's our Craig Gordon.

He was a bad keeper. He wouldn't have went on to sign for Luton or whoever.

[Since452]

We've come a long way since folk were saying we should sign Omeonga and the big huddy up front from Livingston. Glad the recruitment team don't listen to fans.

[Since452]

Marshall is a class above Marciano

Yup. Could never see Marshall being dropped.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yup. Could never see Marshall being dropped.

I mean, Rocky was wrongly dropped for Maxwell, who was pretty hopeless here. Bogdan played instead of him when he was injured, then got injured himself.


He was a bad keeper. He wouldn't have went on to sign for Luton or whoever.

Luton are 9th in the championship, really not a bad move.

[CapitalGreen]

I mean, Rocky was wrongly dropped for Maxwell, who was pretty hopeless here. Bogdan played instead of him when he was injured, then got injured himself.



Luton are 9th in the championship, really not a bad move.

Matt Macey isn’t even 2nd choice at Luton, he’s not been included in the match day squad for the previous 4 games.

[stoneyburn hibs]

We've come a long way since folk were saying we should sign Omeonga and the big huddy up front from Livingston. Glad the recruitment team don't listen to fans.

What folk ?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Matt Macey isn’t even 2nd choice at Luton, he’s not been included in the match day squad for the previous 4 games.

Macey is a poor keeper and it was a position we desperately needed to improve. You just had to look at Hearts to see how much a good keeper matters.

Marshall is a massive upgrade.

[WhileTheChief..]

We've come a long way since folk were saying we should sign Omeonga and the big huddy up front from Livingston. Glad the recruitment team don't listen to fans.

Give it a rest eh.

[MWHIBBIES]

Matt Macey isn’t even 2nd choice at Luton, he’s not been included in the match day squad for the previous 4 games.

Tbf, that still doesn't sound like a bad move. 3rd choice goalie is my dream job personally. Paid silly wages to just train? Ideal.

[Bridge hibs]

Give it a rest eh.

He’s not wrong though

[RIP]

We've come a long way since folk were saying we should sign Omeonga and the big huddy up front from Livingston. Glad the recruitment team don't listen to fans.

Omeonga and Nouble are effective at this level. Wouldn’t have been bad signings, especially with the amount of crosses we get into the box. However Campbell Newell Kenneh and Maginnis are probably superior players to Omeonga

[neil7908]

I agree with that. He wasn’t afforded that luxury after a few bad results though so it’s only fair to balance it out with some praise after a few good results.

Agree as well. I still think the recruitment should have a bit of a question mark. We have signed an awful lot of players (as the manager himself has noted) and I still worry about our strikers as other than Boyle, they are struggling for goals a bit.

But Kenneh definitely looks a player and Marshall has been great. Big Ukrainian lad was decent as well.

[superfurryhibby]

Time will tell as to the long term strategy and the effectiveness of signing so many young players. Thus far we haven’t seen too much by way of return from them with Mykola and Kennah being the obvious stand outs However, we have a big list of guys on loan or yet to contribute with any significance ( like Jair, Melkersen, Bojang, Miller, Tait, McKay, Delferriere, McClelland)

First team has improved a lot. We have a manager who knows what he’s doing, with the signings of Boyle, Cabaraja, Marshall and the return of Hanlon, as well as the reemergence of Campbell and Newell being big factors in our changed fortunes. Huge credit to Porto their too. He’s had his challenges, but is looking like he’s becoming the player we all know he can be.

I think it’s fair to say that the early season form fuelled a lot of discontent, and rightly so. Since then the first team have come on by a huge amount.

The Gordon’s have our financial performance advancing well, the team is strating to look pretty formidable., they deserve credit for what they’re doing this season. Rome wasn’t built in a day, but they’re due acknowledgement for our progress on and off the field.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Are we still pretending we’ve recruited well?

This squad is miles off a challenger for Europe.

[B.H.F.C]

Marshall and Boyle have been the only two above average signings.

Cabraja has been decent. The big Ukrainian has shown some promise.

Most of them have made very little impact.

[lucky]

Are we still pretending we’ve recruited well?

This squad is miles off a challenger for Europe.

Give it a rest. Tonight it was the players performance and the formation the manager choose. The money spent and the players in the squad are more than good enough to win at home against most teams in the league.

[Tyler Durden]

Are we still pretending we’ve recruited well?

This squad is miles off a challenger for Europe.

No it’s not. We’ll go into the break in 4th or 5th place which will be well in contention

[Chorley Hibee]

Marshall and Boyle have been the only two above average signings.

Cabraja has been decent. The big Ukrainian has shown some promise.

Most of them have made very little impact.

That's the truth, but even Boyle's contribution of late has been poor.

The rest are, once again, differing levels of the usual drivel that rock up at ER.

[WhileTheChief..]

Marshall and Boyle have been the only two above average signings.

Cabraja has been decent. The big Ukrainian has shown some promise.

Most of them have made very little impact.

Agree with this.

It’s not that we’ve signed crap players, we’ve just replaced average with average.

There’s not one signing since Ross left that we can honestly
say has made an impact on the squad.

Marshall at a push, but I never felt that area was a major concern.

Looking forward to Nisbet coming back but I don’t expect anything to change in January.

LJ and RG probably still think we’ve got a strong squad!!

[Unseen work]

Wondered how long it would take for Ian Gordon’s name to appear at the top of the forum 🤣🤣

[Paulie Walnuts]

Give it a rest. Tonight it was the players performance and the formation the manager choose. The money spent and the players in the squad are more than good enough to win at home against most teams in the league.

And what was it the last two games? What was it against St Mirren? What was it against Livingston? Falkirk? Morton? Even hearts at home who haven’t been great but we weren’t any better than.

Our recruitment was quite rightly questioned in the summer. We had a wee run and people were desperate to make out like our recruitment was outstanding when it was clear to see it wasnt.

If the teams below us pick up points at the rate they have been so far this season we’d be bottom six if we’d all played the same amount of games. Our recruitment has been poor and our start to this season has been average - poor.

[Nicho87]

Best by a team including

Hallberg
Wright
Spoony

How depressing

[Paulie Walnuts]

Best by a team including

Hallberg
Wright
Spoony

How depressing

Throw in Stevie May and Andy Considine and it’s really pretty brutal.

[Chorley Hibee]

Wondered how long it would take for Ian Gordon’s name to appear at the top of the forum 🤣🤣

A quarter of the way through the season and I've watched us lose to Falkirk, draw with Morton, lose to Livingston, lose to St Mirren, lose to Dundee Utd, lose to St Johnstone, concede six to Celtic and struggle to score week after week.

I'm surprised his name, and the others responsible, ever left the top of the forum.

On the park, we're no further forward.

[coldingham hibs]

A quarter of the way through the season and I've watched us lose to Falkirk, draw with Morton, lose to Livingston, lose to St Mirren, lose to Dundee Utd, lose to St Johnstone, concede six to Celtic and struggle to score week after week.

I'm surprised his name, and the others responsible, ever left the top of the forum.

On the park, we're no further forward.

This is on the money, very poor so far especially when you take into account the games we won or drew when the opposition went to 10 or 9 men. Fair enough it was a reversal of that tonight but it’s not impressive stats by any stretch of the imagination.

[Unseen work]

And what was it the last two games? What was it against St Mirren? What was it against Livingston? Falkirk? Morton? Even hearts at home who haven’t been great but we weren’t any better than.

Our recruitment was quite rightly questioned in the summer. We had a wee run and people were desperate to make out like our recruitment was outstanding when it was clear to see it wasnt.

If the teams below us pick up points at the rate they have been so far this season we’d be bottom six if we’d all played the same amount of games. Our recruitment has been poor and our start to this season has been average - poor.

Hearts, Livi, St Mirren, and Aberdeen will all need to win there games in hands to go above us. Say they all win their games in hands then we’ll be 7th and 5 points off 3rd.

None of those team have proven this season they’re certainties to win any games.

You’re quick to point out our defeats but going by the league St Mirren are one of the stronger teams? Irrelevant of who would normally be considered strong

We always get folk quick to dish out the stick but don’t mention the positive like beating Aberdeen 3-1 in a convincing win and going by the league our main competitor. We beat Motherwell when they were on a good run, again forgotten about.

We’re not brilliant by any stretch, but it drives me mental when folk look too much into things and like everything is doom and gloom.

Tonight was ruined by a stupid red card by Magennis and the team reacted poor and Porteous defended the two goals shockingly. I don’t think there’s too much more to it, if Magennis stays on the park we win the game.

[Unseen work]

A quarter of the way through the season and I've watched us lose to Falkirk, draw with Morton, lose to Livingston, lose to St Mirren, lose to Dundee Utd, lose to St Johnstone, concede six to Celtic and struggle to score week after week.

I'm surprised his name, and the others responsible, ever left the top of the forum.

On the park, we're no further forward.

You’ve also seen us beat Clyde 5-0, beat Aberdeen 3-1, best Motherwell 1-0c , beat Killie 1-0, beat Ross county 2-0, beat st Johnstone 1-0 and draw with rangers and hearts.

We were absolutely awful last season, we’ve improved this season in a short space of time.

A poor result, a sending off etc doesn’t change that for me.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hearts, Livi, St Mirren, and Aberdeen will all need to win there games in hands to go above us. Say they all win their games in hands then we’ll be 7th and 5 points off 3rd.

None of those team have proven this season they’re certainties to win any games.

You’re quick to point out our defeats but going by the league St Mirren are one of the stronger teams? Irrelevant of who would normally be considered strong

We always get folk quick to dish out the stick but don’t mention the positive like beating Aberdeen 3-1 in a convincing win and going by the league our main competitor. We beat Motherwell when they were on a good run, again forgotten about.

We’re not brilliant by any stretch, but it drives me mental when folk look too much into things and like everything is doom and gloom.

Tonight was ruined by a stupid red card by Magennis and the team reacted poor and Porteous defended the two goals shockingly. I don’t think there’s too much more to it, if Magennis stays on the park we win the game.

No they don’t. They’ve all got 2 games in hand and none of them need to win more than 1 of those games to go above us. They’re all picking up PPG that would suggest they’ve got a good chance of picking up the points required to do that.

We lost the game. You can make all the excuses you like. That performance was garbage and the reaction to the red was terrible. The team deserve criticism.

[Unseen work]

No they don’t. They’ve all got 2 games in hand and none of them need to win more than 1 of those games to go above us. They’re all picking up PPG that would suggest they’ve got a good chance of picking up the points required to do that.

We lost the game. You can make all the excuses you like. That performance was garbage and the reaction to the red was terrible. The team deserve criticism.

I meant win a game each, which they’ve all shown is not a certainty. They’ve certainly got a good chance but I would bet after we’re all on the same games played there’s not much in it.

It’s not about making excuses, but some of the posts on here as a whole after a defeat at mental imo.

[Leith Green]

Are we still pretending we’ve recruited well?

This squad is miles off a challenger for Europe.


Dont know how highly you are rating the other contenders , but there isnt really
much to shout about at any of the other non old firm clubs . We werent great today , but could easily have been 2 or 3 up before the red card. Couple of good players still to come back from injury, macgennis still to get up to full pelt. A couple of good signings away from having a really good team 4 or 5 needing emptied , but i think we are on the right road

[Northernhibee]

We've signed an absolute barrowload of players and still don't have a squad with any real depth.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Dont know how highly you are rating the other contenders , but there isnt really
much to shout about at any of the other non old firm clubs . We werent great today , but could easily have been 2 or 3 up before the red card. Couple of good players still to come back from injury, macgennis still to get up to full pelt. A couple of good signings away from having a really good team 4 or 5 needing emptied , but i think we are on the right road

I can’t say I’m all that interested in the other teams if I’m honest. I thought hearts and Aberdeen would be better than they have been but regardless, it doesn’t excuse where we are. I’d also be surprised if Hearts don’t pick up a bit once they’re not having to contend with Europe and Aberdeen are a point off us with two games in hand.

I personally think we’re a bang average side and our recruitment in the summer when you sit and look at the players in has been pretty poor, again.

[Iain G]

No they don’t. They’ve all got 2 games in hand and none of them need to win more than 1 of those games to go above us. They’re all picking up PPG that would suggest they’ve got a good chance of picking up the points required to do that.

We lost the game. You can make all the excuses you like. That performance was garbage and the reaction to the red was terrible. The team deserve criticism.

Looks like you are back to wetting the bed again!!

It's just football, will soon be back winning some, losing some etc etc

[Paulie Walnuts]

Looks like you are back to wetting the bed again!!

It's just football, will soon be back winning some, losing some etc etc

Looks like you’re back to avoiding giving your opinion and having a go at other posters again!!

[TheCabbage]

I can’t say I’m all that interested in the other teams if I’m honest. I thought hearts and Aberdeen would be better than they have been but regardless, it doesn’t excuse where we are. I’d also be surprised if Hearts don’t pick up a bit once they’re not having to contend with Europe and Aberdeen are a point off us with two games in hand.

I personally think we’re a bang average side and our recruitment in the summer when you sit and look at the players in has been pretty poor, again.

Just look at the bench we have and I worry where the spark is coming from as I don’t see it from anyone

[Lee]

Wondered how long it would take for Ian Gordon’s name to appear at the top of the forum 🤣🤣

Tonight was depressing but surely to God we don't need this keek again! (Not your post btw, I agree with ya lol)

Johnson got it wrong tactically (which is on the manager) and - let's be honest - there should have been enough quality out there to get the job done (Boyle, Porto and Magenis could have done better for varying reasons, for example).

We underperformed. We have 5 or so games before the break to get that right....and that's what's key just now, not Ian Gordon!

[Iain G]

Looks like you’re back to avoiding giving your opinion and having a go at other posters again!!

Well you deserve it!

We have a decent squad that will be further developed in the next windows, that has been the strategy since LJ joined and has been clear as day. It's not perfect but we have improved on last year but it's a learning curve for manager and players.

Just chill a bit and enjoy the ride.

[Chorley Hibee]

You’ve also seen us beat Clyde 5-0, beat Aberdeen 3-1, best Motherwell 1-0c , beat Killie 1-0, beat Ross county 2-0, beat st Johnstone 1-0 and draw with rangers and hearts.

We were absolutely awful last season, we’ve improved this season in a short space of time.

A poor result, a sending off etc doesn’t change that for me.

So mediocre at very best then, way below where I expect this club to be, particularly given the outlay we have compared to the dross who repeatedly turn us over.

[Leith Green]

I can’t say I’m all that interested in the other teams if I’m honest. I thought hearts and Aberdeen would be better than they have been but regardless, it doesn’t excuse where we are. I’d also be surprised if Hearts don’t pick up a bit once they’re not having to contend with Europe and Aberdeen are a point off us with two games in hand.

I personally think we’re a bang average side and our recruitment in the summer when you sit and look at the players in has been pretty poor, again.



Well surely you need to compare us to these other teams if you think we are well off competing for 3rd or 4th place. We aren't bang average compared to the other 9 teams out with the old firm. We are better than most of these sides , struggling to convert a lot of chances. I agree that some of our recruitment has been crap , some have been good .. we need to be competing for top 4 , which we are. 4 or 5 needing moved on for sure , couple of strong signings and we will be looking good imo

[Alfred E Newman]

Looks like you are back to wetting the bed again!!

It's just football, will soon be back winning some, losing some etc etc

That’s great and something to look forward too.

[Mikey_1875]

Had nothing to do with our result tonight imo. That squad was more than capable of beating St Johnstone.

[Iain G]

Had nothing to do with our result tonight imo. That squad was more than capable of beating St Johnstone.

Of course it has nothing to do with tonight! It was Magennis and a stupid red card! Am sure he was a Mathie signing as well 🤣

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well surely you need to compare us to these other teams if you think we are well off competing for 3rd or 4th place. We aren't bang average compared to the other 9 teams out with the old firm. We are better than most of these sides , struggling to convert a lot of chances. I agree that some of our recruitment has been crap , some have been good .. we need to be competing for top 4 , which we are. 4 or 5 needing moved on for sure , couple of strong signings and we will be looking good imo

I don’t think we’re better than most of the other 9 at all.

I think we’re really about middle of the pack. Converting chances is part of football and good teams do that. You’re not a good team if you can’t convert your chances.

[Leith Green]

I don’t think we’re better than most of the other 9 at all.

I think we’re really about middle of the pack. Converting chances is part of football and good teams do that. You’re not a good team if you can’t convert your chances.

St mirren away and celtic last week are the only games i can think of where we were a lot worse than the opposition.. You are massively being overly critical in your comparisons with the opposition. There are improvements needed, and not good enough in doing certain aspects of the game , but we are nowhere near as bad as you are suggesting..

We arent great , lots of room for improvement, and some of the basics we need to improve on .. But there isnt any club outside the old firm that much better.

[PaulSmith]

Well you deserve it!

We have a decent squad that will be further developed in the next windows, that has been the strategy since LJ joined and has been clear as day. It's not perfect but we have improved on last year but it's a learning curve for manager and players.

Just chill a bit and enjoy the ride.

We’ve improved since last year, debatable. If we have it’s cause LJ has got players playing in favoured positions and the style is better than Ross or Maloney.

We’ve signed 18 odd players and only 2 outfield players started this evening. That’s a concern for me.

[matty_f]

Wondered how long it would take for Ian Gordon’s name to appear at the top of the forum 🤣🤣

Laughable eh?

[HFC93]

Pleased to see this thread make a comeback.

[Scotty Leither]

Pleased to see this thread make a comeback.

What current Hibs player gets you off your seat, Martin Boyle excepted?

[Jones28]

A quarter of the way through the season and I've watched us lose to Falkirk, draw with Morton, lose to Livingston, lose to St Mirren, lose to Dundee Utd, lose to St Johnstone, concede six to Celtic and struggle to score week after week.

I'm surprised his name, and the others responsible, ever left the top of the forum.

On the park, we're no further forward.

We really are. Come on. Just look at the numbers for god sake.

[Jones28]

What current Hibs player gets you off your seat, Martin Boyle excepted?

He deserves no less stick than anyone else, equally culpable. It’s a team
game.

[Cammy]

Are we still pretending we’ve recruited well?

This squad is miles off a challenger for Europe.

What a bore you are. Any negative result and you jump on it, but go on a winning run and don’t hear from you.

[Cammy]

I can’t say I’m all that interested in the other teams if I’m honest. I thought hearts and Aberdeen would be better than they have been but regardless, it doesn’t excuse where we are. I’d also be surprised if Hearts don’t pick up a bit once they’re not having to contend with Europe and Aberdeen are a point off us with two games in hand.

I personally think we’re a bang average side and our recruitment in the summer when you sit and look at the players in has been pretty poor, again.

Hearts are absolutely dire, the fact you can’t see that says more about you and your understanding of football.

[Scotty Leither]

He deserves no less stick than anyone else, equally culpable. It’s a team
game.

Correct, Boyle’s been 50/50 since coming back but there’s an element of him having to carry the team on his back.

Let me refine the question: Which one of the new signings has made an immediate impact, and might well be sold on for a profit in the future?

[Cammy]

Had nothing to do with our result tonight imo. That squad was more than capable of beating St Johnstone.

:agree:

[Chorley Hibee]

We really are. Come on. Just look at the numbers for god sake.

What numbers?

We've lost as many games as we've won, and failed to negotiate a LC group with Falkirk, Morton, Bonnyrigg and Clyde FFS.

I don't see any significant difference from what I was watching last season.

Not surprised though, considering we failed (once again) to address the problems staring us in the face on the park.

Instead we have been treated to a plethora of dross that would probably fill two teams.

[keep the faith]

Are we still pretending we’ve recruited well?

This squad is miles off a challenger for Europe.

Yawn. We have not recruited completely well, but we are trying something different. Some will prove to be good signings, some will quickly leave I reckon (jair, bojang etc), pre Johnson players might also go (JDH). Jury is still out on others (Youan, mckirdy, rocky) We will be left with the good new signings (Cabraja,No 99, Keneh,Marshall) improved players already here (newell,porto,cadden,campbell) a couple of talisman (Boyle, Nisbet) and we will add again in January. There will be bumps along the way.

A build like this takes patience and support. Not your strong point.

[Jones28]

Correct, Boyle’s been 50/50 since coming back but there’s an element of him having to carry the team on his back.

Let me refine the question: Which one of the new signings has made an immediate impact, and might well be sold on for a profit in the future?

Can I answer at the end of the season?

Players will have peaks and troughs, Youan had a great start and faded, Myko has promise but only got his first goal tonight, Kenneh has looked like any 19 year old promising holding midfielder would - sloppy at times and extremely comfortable for long periods. Mckirdy is the only one for me who’s been truly disappointing. Big fee, big fan fare, more bookings and ***** hair cuts than meaningful contributions on the pitch.

Tavares, Bojang and Miller haven’t really had a kick at the ball.

[Jones28]

What numbers?

We've lost as many games as we've won, and failed to negotiate a LC group with Falkirk, Morton, Bonnyrigg and Clyde FFS.

I don't see any significant difference from what I was watching last season.

Not surprised though, considering we failed (once again) to address the problems staring us in the face on the park.

Instead we have been treated to a plethora of dross that would probably fill two teams.

The stats in game, they might seem meaningless now but they do matter when assessing how much we’ve improved since last season.

[Since452]

Had nothing to do with our result tonight imo. That squad was more than capable of beating St Johnstone.

Was capable of beating Dundee United too. 6 points we really should have had. We're at the start of this journey under LJ so I'm not going to do my ringer but missed chances are really hurting us. St Johnstone shouldn't have been anywhere near a point never mind three.

[Cammy]

What numbers?

We've lost as many games as we've won, and failed to negotiate a LC group with Falkirk, Morton, Bonnyrigg and Clyde FFS.

I don't see any significant difference from what I was watching last season.

Not surprised though, considering we failed (once again) to address the problems staring us in the face on the park.

Instead we have been treated to a plethora of dross that would probably fill two teams.

Do you not see us playing a more attacking set up? Other than a couple of disappointing wingers (which I hope will come good eventually) I think we have recruited well and are playing on the front foot. We are far more attractive to watch than last season.

[Scotty Leither]

Can I answer at the end of the season?

Players will have peaks and troughs, Youan had a great start and faded, Myko has promise but only got his first goal tonight, Kenneh has looked like any 19 year old promising holding midfielder would - sloppy at times and extremely comfortable for long periods. Mckirdy is the only one for me who’s been truly disappointing. Big fee, big fan fare, more bookings and ***** hair cuts than meaningful contributions on the pitch.

Tavares, Bojang and Miller haven’t really had a kick at the ball.

That’s my whole point though, we need better than a “promising” 19 year old doing a man’s job in a pivotal position, but that seems to be the model the club is pursuing, whether we as fans like it or not.

Football is an unforgiving game especially at a club like Hibs that come under a lot of scrutiny. Kenneh was so far out his depth at Parkhead it was embarrassing, and we need better, but I doubt we’ll get it.

Anyhoo I’m just off to my bed. Pissed off 😡 with tonight.

[Chorley Hibee]

Do you not see us playing a more attacking set up? Other than a couple of disappointing wingers (which I hope will come good eventually) I think we have recruited well and are playing on the front foot. We are far more attractive to watch than last season.

I don't think we create half as many chances as some make out we do, and our play remains pretty predictable and pedestrian most of the time.

Do I think we're slightly better than last season?

Yes, but that's a pretty low bar to be honest. It's still miles short of where I think we should be.

[Cammy]

I don't think we create half as many chances as some make out we do, and our play remains pretty predictable and pedestrian most of the time.

Do I think we're slightly better than last season?

Yes, but that's a pretty low bar to be honest. It's still miles short of where I think we should be.

I honestly think we have opened out a lot, maybe too much at times, such as the Celtic game, but I certainly see us moving in the right direction and hope it comes together with the right balance. We are still a work in progress but my kids have loved every home game this season, it’s been entertaining. Unfortunately we couldn’t be there tonight but we were the better team until the red card.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hearts are absolutely dire, the fact you can’t see that says more about you and your understanding of football.

And yet they’re 3 points behind us with two games in hand having had to contend with Europe and we couldn’t beat them at home.

Likewise people were claiming Goodwin is on a shoogly peg yet they’re a point behind us with 2 games in hand. What does that say about us?

If these sides are absolutely dire then I’m not sure we can claim to be any better


Still though, you’ve clearly got an elite understanding of football.

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think we create half as many chances as some make out we do, and our play remains pretty predictable and pedestrian most of the time.

Do I think we're slightly better than last season?

Yes, but that's a pretty low bar to be honest. It's still miles short of where I think we should be.

There have been a few games where there has been a lot of chances but, most of the time, I’d say there’s been a lot of efforts on goal as opposed to clear cut chances.

We still lack a bit guile in midfield. There was a chance in the second half last night where Campbell should have slipped Boyle in. Pass was played behind him, chance gone.

We’ve signed a shed load of players who, currently, are looking like a waste of money as they’re contributing nothing.

[Willis1875]

I don't think we create half as many chances as some make out we do, and our play remains pretty predictable and pedestrian most of the time.

Do I think we're slightly better than last season?

Yes, but that's a pretty low bar to be honest. It's still miles short of where I think we should be.

Kind of where I am,I feel like I know exactly how we are going to play in terms of our passages of play and build up every week

[Paulie Walnuts]

Cabraja
Miller
McGeady
Marshall
Jair
Kenneh
Boyle
Bushiri
McKirdy
Youan
Schofield
Fish
Myko
Bojang
Melkersen
Mitchell
Bushiri
Clarke
Henderson
Jasper


That’s 20 players signed since the January window when our new recruitment team got their first taste of a transfer window and that’s not including guys like Hauge, Delferriere etc.

Out of those 20 there’s only been two unarguable successes imo and those are Boyle and Marshall, two guys that near enough everyone on here could have identified and knew they’d be good signings.

I’d say Cabraja, Kenneh, Myko and possibly Bushiri are in the decent enough signing category but after that, the other 14 have offered nowhere near enough, whether that be through injury or ability and I’d say there’s 7 of them (Miller, Jair, McKirdy, Bojang, Melkersen, Jasper, Henderson) who don’t look good enough to varying degrees. Fish and Schofield look like nothing more than emergency back up which is fair enough.

That’s absolutely crap.

[Northernhibee]

Cabraja
Miller
McGeady
Marshall
Jair
Kenneh
Boyle
Bushiri
McKirdy
Youan
Schofield
Fish
Myko
Bojang
Melkersen
Mitchell
Bushiri
Clarke
Henderson
Jasper


That’s 20 players signed since the January window when our new recruitment team got their first taste of a transfer window and that’s not including guys like Hauge, Delferriere etc.

Out of those 20 there’s only been two unarguable successes imo and those are Boyle and Marshall, two guys that near enough everyone on here could have identified and knew they’d be good signings.

I’d say Cabraja, Kenneh, Myko and possibly Bushiri are in the decent enough signing category but after that, the other 14 have offered nowhere near enough, whether that be through injury or ability and I’d say there’s 7 of them (Miller, Jair, McKirdy, Bojang, Melkersen, Jasper, Henderson) who don’t look good enough to varying degrees. Fish and Schofield look like nothing more than emergency back up which is fair enough.

That’s absolutely crap.

Marshall and Boyle don’t exactly require expert knowledge to identify that they’re good signings either.

The rest is quite frankly an example of what happens when you trust a spreadsheet of stats too much and not enough instinct or knowing what’s required in this league. Youan has pace but doesn’t score much. Bojang has pace and probably runs a big distance but he simply can’t get the fundamentals of kicking a ball right. Melkersen is completely lost on the pitch. Tavares has technical skill but produces nothing. McKirdy, not a clue why he’s here. Henderson is too slow and too lightweight.

Cabraja, Kenneh, Myko, and Bushiri are decent. I don’t know what to make of Miller and he’s been injured a lot.

I don’t know how we can sign so many players and yet still have so little depth.

Add the whole playing an ineligible player in the league cup fiasco and it’s a bit of a hot mess.

I like the manager and think we’ve got a good one which is decent though. Just seems that there’s an awful lot that’s below standard elsewhere.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I like the manager and think we’ve got a good one which is decent though. Just seems that there’s an awful lot that’s below standard elsewhere.

I don’t mind LJ and at this point in time I think he’s the least of our worries.

I said it before though, he’s the face of this team, he’s the man in charge so he has to take the blame if things don’t go well. When you see that list of players though and the fact it’s the same recruitment team that will be doing the signing in January, he’s up against it.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I don't think we create half as many chances as some make out we do, and our play remains pretty predictable and pedestrian most of the time.

Do I think we're slightly better than last season?

Yes, but that's a pretty low bar to be honest. It's still miles short of where I think we should be.
Come on, we had their keeper at full stretch twice in the first 5 minutes last night. Must have had about 6 or 7 decent attempts in the first 15-20mins. For me what I saw alot was when the ball was played in behind, our first touch alot of the time was back towards our own goal, rather than going with the momentum of the pass towards goal. We also seemed to turn down the opportunity to slip the obvious pass in behind particularly first half.

We are much more creative and better to watch, but we need to start looking like we want to be clinical.

[Northernhibee]

I’d just put it on the PM board but I remember suggesting Nicky Clark as a decent option for us when we were getting to the end of the window as although not exciting, he knows the league and has scored goals in it. Wouldn’t stick out on a spreadsheet of stats but wouldn’t be on big money and would offer a different option. We signed McKirdy and guess which one has scored more goals.

Clark knew what he could get away with in terms of a little nudge on his defender and what the ref would allow. We need not necessarily him but just a wily two or three players with the streetsmarts and knowledge of the league as we’re very naive.

[tamig]

Do you not see us playing a more attacking set up? Other than a couple of disappointing wingers (which I hope will come good eventually) I think we have recruited well and are playing on the front foot. We are far more attractive to watch than last season.

Anybody who can’t see the difference in the way we are playing currently compared to last season must have painted on eyes. Its night and day. The moaners on here are looking at things purely from a results only perspective. The quality of football is much more entertaining. The final ball choice is often wrong but that will improve.

[B.H.F.C]

Anybody who can’t see the difference in the way we are playing currently compared to last season must have painted on eyes. Its night and day. The moaners on here are looking at things purely from a results only perspective. The quality of football is much more entertaining. The final ball choice is often wrong but that will improve.

The assumption seems to be that the final bit will improve. With the same players, I’m not so sure it will. If anything, I think it’s been going the other way in recent weeks.

[tamig]

The assumption seems to be that the final bit will improve. With the same players, I’m not so sure it will. If anything, I think it’s been going the other way in recent weeks.

There were a couple of times last night - off the top of my head - where the final option choice was questionable and a different option could have had a better outcome. Campbell should have slid Boyle in and Boyle cutting it back for Youan when he could have shot himself. I’d hope the players would learn from that. Time will tell.

[Lago]

So we're back to this stuff from the usual sources, I really can't be bothered with it.

[B.H.F.C]

So we're back to this stuff from the usual sources, I really can't be bothered with it.

Is there not an argument that it’s the usual stuff because it’s a reoccurring theme? 16 signings (or whatever it was) with only a handful actually contributing is hardly a ringing enforcement of our recruitment strategy.

[hibee316]

Ah look, the exact same posters not debating, but frothing at the mouth about how Hibs are not as good as they want them to be.

Get over it, enjoy your weekend. Life is too short to be that miserable.

And most of all, none of us have any control over the football on the park, so do your mental health some good and take a step back

[Iain G]

Ah look, the exact same posters not debating, but frothing at the mouth about how Hibs are not as good as they want them to be.

Get over it, enjoy your weekend. Life is too short to be that miserable.

And most of all, none of us have any control over the football on the park, so do your mental health some good and take a step back

It's nice to not have to keep an eye on the football today! I like this Friday football thing as the Hibs related stress is out the way and can enjoy my Saturday 🤣😁

[Alfred E Newman]

So we're back to this stuff from the usual sources, I really can't be bothered with it.

No wonder it keeps getting raised on here.
Its a long time since I felt as depressed after a game as I did last night and seeing McKirdy and Tavares being brought on as our last throw of the dice only deepened the gloom.

[keep the faith]

Ah look, the exact same posters not debating, but frothing at the mouth about how Hibs are not as good as they want them to be.

Get over it, enjoy your weekend. Life is too short to be that miserable.

And most of all, none of us have any control over the football on the park, so do your mental health some good and take a step back

You speak for most of us! 👍

[blackpoolhibs]

Come on, we had their keeper at full stretch twice in the first 5 minutes last night. Must have had about 6 or 7 decent attempts in the first 15-20mins. For me what I saw alot was when the ball was played in behind, our first touch alot of the time was back towards our own goal, rather than going with the momentum of the pass towards goal. We also seemed to turn down the opportunity to slip the obvious pass in behind particularly first half.

We are much more creative and better to watch, but we need to start looking like we want to be clinical.

FFS one was straight at him, the other my granny could have reached it, very comfortable save, if Marshall had let it in we'd be going mental.

[overdrive]

It isn’t surprising when people look to Ian Gordon when things aren’t going well when most of the players recruited aren’t up to scratch and the guy in charge of recruitment… sorry administratively leading the recruitment team has no background in football and is there because of nepotism.

[HoboHarry]

Hearts recruiting is evidently s***e. Probably Ian Gordon's fault anaw.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So we're back to this stuff from the usual sources, I really can't be bothered with it.

Don’t come on the forum then if you can’t be bothered with it, it’s quite a simple solution.

Or alternatively, give your own opinion as to why people are wrong. Tell us who out of the 20 we’ve signed have been good signings rather than greeting about the fact you’ve read something you didn’t like reading.

[Hibees1973]

No wonder it keeps getting raised on here.
Its a long time since I felt as depressed after a game as I did last night and seeing McKirdy and Tavares being brought on as our last throw of the dice only deepened the gloom.

Agreed.

Must qualify last night in that St Johnstone did not look like scoring until Magennis was stupid.

The sight of McKirdy, just fresh on being rag dolled/muscled off the ball on the wing was depressing. I've mentioned it loads of time before that I do credit the board for spending money. However, to sign the likes of McKirdy, Jair, Henderson, Youan and numerous others is disgraceful and all adds up to a massive wage bill.

There are loads of players recently who have had the privilege in pulling on a Hibs jersey. This should have been earned through having displayed proven ability at the required level or shown the necessary fight and desire to play for Hibs. Sadly, the current guys in charge at Hibs are willing to take aimless punts on players who do not have the pedigree or ability to play for Hibs and this is why we have such huge squad of poor players. When these fringe players come on they have shown to be no where near enough. Some are miles off what we need.

Again, credit for signing Boyle and Marshall. But we knew what we were getting with experienced players such as these.

Wish we had signed 2 or 3 proven players, similar to Boyle and Marshall, instead of the 8 or 9 aimless punts. Know some posters will say these are development players. Well, we must have some coaches to improve the likes of McKirdy and Jair and turn them into regular first team starters.

Expect the vast majority of them will be shipped on in due course but this will have cost Hibs a fair amount of money and time wasted in us trying to progress.

[keep the faith]

Don’t come on the forum then if you can’t be bothered with it, it’s quite a simple solution.

Or alternatively, give your own opinion as to why people are wrong. Tell us who out of the 20 we’ve signed have been good signings rather than greeting about the fact you’ve read something you didn’t like reading.

People want to come on this forum and see a spread of views. Not your post bombing, making the same points whenever things don't go well.
Its like a kid not getting its own way.

[HoboHarry]

People want to come on this forum and see a spread of views. Not your post bombing, making the same points whenever things don't go well.
Its like a kid not getting its own way.
:agree:

[Donegal Hibby]

Hearts recruiting is evidently s***e. Probably Ian Gordon's fault anaw.
Heard a rumour it's his fault to for recruiting the last two Tory leaders as well :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

People want to come on this forum and see a spread of views. Not your post bombing, making the same points whenever things don't go well.
Its like a kid not getting its own way.

No, they don’t, hence why you get the same folk greeting about negativity etc every time we get beat. There’s a group of folk who want to come on the forum and read the exact same view as their own. They then have a melt down and greet about ***** the forum is when that’s not how it pans out for them.

And the same points get made when we don’t do well because the same issues continuously stare us in the face, one of them being our recruitment.

[Fergus52]

No they don’t. They’ve all got 2 games in hand and none of them need to win more than 1 of those games to go above us. They’re all picking up PPG that would suggest they’ve got a good chance of picking up the points required to do that.

We lost the game. You can make all the excuses you like. That performance was garbage and the reaction to the red was terrible. The team deserve criticism.

Criticise the team all you like, the capitulation after the red last night was embarrassing and key players and the manager should have dealt with it far better.

By saying the squad is miles off challenging for Europe though your either at it or clueless. Your bringing up PPG and games in hand, when our PPG so far still has us in 5th, which gets Europe, and those games in hand the teams around us have are either against the old firm or eachother, so they can't all pick up 3 points.

We also have by far and away the third best xG difference win the league, our forwards have been poor in front of goal so this by no means guarantees us points but just a slight improvement in composure and chance creation and we'll get a lot more wins.

Are you honestly looking at the performances and results of Aberdeen Motherwell hearts St mirren and thinking that we're not even going to be challenging them in the top 6 this year? That's mental tbh. All of them are capable of decent performances one week before being rubbish the next, much like us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Criticise the team all you like, the capitulation after the red last night was embarrassing and key players and the manager should have dealt with it far better.

By saying the squad is miles off challenging for Europe though your either at it or clueless. Your bringing up PPG and games in hand, when our PPG so far still has us in 5th, which gets Europe, and those games in hand the teams around us have are either against the old firm or eachother, so they can't all pick up 3 points.

We also have by far and away the third best xG difference win the league, our forwards have been poor in front of goal so this by no means guarantees us points but just a slight improvement in composure and chance creation and we'll get a lot more wins.

Are you honestly looking at the performances and results of Aberdeen Motherwell hearts St mirren and thinking that we're not even going to be challenging them in the top 6 this year? That's mental tbh. All of them are capable of decent performances one week before being rubbish the next, much like us.

5th isn’t guaranteed Europe although I was really talking about the third spot (admittedly that wasn’t clear). That’s the only European spot that really matters in the grand scheme of things with what’s on offer.

When I posted that though, our PPG had us 7th. It’s now 6th but with ties still ongoing.

I’m looking at Aberdeen as being a better side than us, yes. I’m looking at Hearts being in touch with us still despite having played Europe and thinking they have a good chance of finishing above us, yes, the bookies have them as favourites to do that.

You could have argued last season that nobody other than Hearts were potentially that much better than us. We were still never going to challenge for europe though and I think this season has very much the same feel to it in that regard.

[keep the faith]

No, they don’t, hence why you get the same folk greeting about negativity etc every time we get beat. There’s a group of folk who want to come on the forum and read the exact same view as their own. They then have a melt down and greet about ***** the forum is when that’s not how it pans out for them.

And the same points get made when we don’t do well because the same issues continuously stare us in the face, one of them being our recruitment.

😴

[HoboHarry]

😴
Oh come now, some of us need to read the same message for the 45806718375714787510057870515705919751th time before we get it.......

[Fergus52]

5th isn’t guaranteed Europe although I was really talking about the third spot (admittedly that wasn’t clear). That’s the only European spot that really matters in the grand scheme of things with what’s on offer.

When I posted that though, our PPG had us 7th. It’s now 6th but with ties still ongoing.

I’m looking at Aberdeen as being a better side than us, yes. I’m looking at Hearts being in touch with us still despite having played Europe and thinking they have a good chance of finishing above us, yes, the bookies have them as favourites to do that.

You could have argued last season that nobody other than Hearts were potentially that much better than us. We were still never going to challenge for europe though and I think this season has very much the same feel to it in that regard.

What are you basing that on?

Going on results we've had very similar fortunes so far, they've dropped points to teams near the bottom as well and lost 4-0 to Dundee Utd which is much worse than any result we've had in the league.

On the eye test from what I've seen in highlights they're capable of playing some nice stuff, but really struggle to break down defensive teams away from home, again much like us.

On the stats side we've got a higher xG difference than them, even after the Celtic hammering, but in Miovski they appear to have a better natural goalscorer than anything we have up top, which probably cancels that out a bit.

Overall I don't think there's anything really between us and them, whichever of us comes ahead of the other in the league will probably come down to who can improve the most in January and keep their key players fit.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What are you basing that on?

Going on results we've had very similar fortunes so far, they've dropped points to teams near the bottom as well and lost 4-0 to Dundee Utd which is much worse than any result we've had in the league.

On the eye test from what I've seen in highlights they're capable of playing some nice stuff, but really struggle to break down defensive teams away from home, again much like us.

On the stats side we've got a higher xG difference than them, even after the Celtic hammering, but in Miovski they appear to have a better natural goalscorer than anything we have up top, which probably cancels that out a bit.

Overall I don't think there's anything really between us and them, whichever of us comes ahead of the other in the league will probably come down to who can improve the most in January and keep their key players fit.

They’re ahead of us in the league having played less games. Their goal difference is 8 goals better than ours. They’ve scored way more goals than us. They strolled through their league cup group (possibly winning every game?) whilst we got knocked out and they’ve got themselves through to the semi final.

If the shoe was on the other foot there’s not a chance we’d be sitting here saying there’s nothing between us.

[Fergus52]

They’re ahead of us in the league having played less games. Their goal difference is 8 goals better than ours. They’ve scored way more goals than us. They strolled through their league cup group (possibly winning every game?) whilst we got knocked out and they’ve got themselves through to the semi final.

If the shoe was on the other foot there’s not a chance we’d be sitting here saying there’s nothing between us.

2 points ahead, and their game in hand is against Rangers. At this stage in the season that's nothing, especially when the teams will likely have to play each other another 3 times, and that we looked the better side last time even before the red.

41% of their league goals this season have came against 10 men. Killie game aside, they struggle to break down defensive low block teams when playing against 11. Their away performances have been particularly poor as well with them having the worst expected goals against when playing away from home in the league - they concede a lot more high quality chances than we do overall as well.

My Aberdeen supporting mate thinks there's nothing between them, us, hearts and Motherwell and that third will be a bit of a dog fight this year between who can be the least *****. Although this was talking to him on Thursday, he might have changed his mind a bit after the results this weekend tbf :greengrin

[Hibs4185]

The Ian Gordon chat is brutal and it’s amazing how it gets dragged up after defeat.

Romanov was a crook and he put his son in charge at hearts foe for knows what reason.

Ron Gordon has made his Millions legally and proved himself to be astute in business. He hasn’t appointed his son for no reason. He has proved he isn’t the sentimental type when needed.

They’ve bet on a few players which is a common investment strategy. If 1 in 10 make make it, we will make cash. I think this is the strategy they have employed.

It’s embarrassing, jumping on the Ian Gordon bandwagon. RG has earned enough credit in the bank as far as I am concerned.

All the haters, should put down their keyboards and go and try to be as successful as RG and IG.

[CB Hibs 68]

They’re ahead of us in the league having played less games. Their goal difference is 8 goals better than ours. They’ve scored way more goals than us. They strolled through their league cup group (possibly winning every game?) whilst we got knocked out and they’ve got themselves through to the semi final.

If the shoe was on the other foot there’s not a chance we’d be sitting here saying there’s nothing between us.
Yes there is.What you say is true but you conveniently miss out the fact that when we played Aberdeen we won convincingly.

[Lago]

:top marks
The Ian Gordon chat is brutal and it’s amazing how it gets dragged up after defeat.

Romanov was a crook and he put his son in charge at hearts foe for knows what reason.

Ron Gordon has made his Millions legally and proved himself to be astute in business. He hasn’t appointed his son for no reason. He has proved he isn’t the sentimental type when needed.

They’ve bet on a few players which is a common investment strategy. If 1 in 10 make make it, we will make cash. I think this is the strategy they have employed.

It’s embarrassing, jumping on the Ian Gordon bandwagon. RG has earned enough credit in the bank as far as I am concerned.

All the haters, should put down their keyboards and go and try to be as successful as RG and IG.

[007]

No, they don’t, hence why you get the same folk greeting about negativity etc every time we get beat. There’s a group of folk who want to come on the forum and read the exact same view as their own. They then have a melt down and greet about ***** the forum is when that’s not how it pans out for them.

And the same points get made when we don’t do well because the same issues continuously stare us in the face, one of them being our recruitment.

It is fine to criticise the team/LJ when we are poor and lose. Last night was a bad one to lose so criticism is warranted. There are a few posters who go way over the top though and you are the most prominent of those so sometimes people point that out (maybe not using the exact phrase OTT).

Who is greeting about negativity? I haven't seen anyone go into meltdown about it or what I would describe as greeting. If anything, based on the volume of your posts, you are the one that goes into meltdown and greets about a loss and/or the recruitment. Then when someone thinks you've gone OTT, it's you that then has a meltdown and greets because the forum isn't panning out the way you want because someone has criticised your post.

Where has anyone said they want to read the exact same view as their own? You won't be able to find an example because you've made that up.

[MWHIBBIES]

Aberdeen had some good wins but easily the worst side at Easter road this season. Absolutely dreadful.

[007]

Aberdeen had some good wins but easily the worst side at Easter road this season. Absolutely dreadful.

They have had some good wins however to caveat some of their results in a similar way to some of ours, their 5-0 v Livi was after Livi got a man sent off (which was a scandalous decision, total cheating by Aberdeen. Goodwin's obviously okay with it when it's his player) at 0-0 and they scored from the resultant penalty.

https://youtu.be/clwHI6VGMZY?t=32

4-1 v St Mirren, another red card and penalty, in the 22nd minute at 0-0. No doubt about the decision that time, definite 2nd yellow and pen.

4-1 v Killie, another cheated for penalty, this time at 1-0.

https://youtu.be/3oq3SJDrZVE?t=60

You're right, they were poor at ER, they got 1-0 up but did next to nothing after that, even for the following 40 minutes when they still had 11 on the pitch. We were much better than them.

No doubt someone will come along and use their Livi and St Mirren matches to criticise us for not scoring more against 10 men.

[monarch]

Considering our wastefulness in front of goal would it be worth considering a return for Mark McNulty. ? He’s back in Edinburgh and looking for a club.

[WhileTheChief..]

The Ian Gordon chat is brutal and it’s amazing how it gets dragged up after defeat.

Romanov was a crook and he put his son in charge at hearts foe for knows what reason.

Ron Gordon has made his Millions legally and proved himself to be astute in business. He hasn’t appointed his son for no reason. He has proved he isn’t the sentimental type when needed.

They’ve bet on a few players which is a common investment strategy. If 1 in 10 make make it, we will make cash. I think this is the strategy they have employed.

It’s embarrassing, jumping on the Ian Gordon bandwagon. RG has earned enough credit in the bank as far as I am concerned.

All the haters, should put down their keyboards and go and try to be as successful as RG and IG.

Not a chance in Hell that RG or LJ would be happy with only 1 in 10 of our signings making it. That’s a woeful return and an expensive waste of cash.

If we’re researching players properly then most of them should at least be as good, if not better, than those they are replacing, otherwise what’s the point?

Every single manager we’ve had has trotted out the line about only signing players that will improve us, not just to add numbers.

How many of our signings in the past 18 months are better than what we had under Ross?

[Hibbyradge]

FFS one was straight at him, the other my granny could have reached it, very comfortable save, if Marshall had let it in we'd be going mental.

How old's your granny, brother? :wink:

[HoboHarry]

How old's your granny, brother? :wink:

Not to mention handicap :greengrin

[Bridge hibs]

Considering our wastefulness in front of goal would it be worth considering a return for Mark McNulty. ? He’s back in Edinburgh and looking for a club.What would be the point in that, it would take weeks to get him match fit and we would have Nisbet back so would be a total waste of a wage. We would also be adding to our all ready bloated forward line, plus the fact he is an average player at best. Will end up at FC Edinburgh or Bonnyrigg Rose, Livvy might let him train with them

[Since452]

Considering our wastefulness in front of goal would it be worth considering a return for Mark McNulty. ? He’s back in Edinburgh and looking for a club.

A striker who doesn't score very often is the last signing we need to make.