Pilot Match For Safe Standing & Singing Section In FFL This Wed

[Chuck Rhoades]

I’ve been told (not directly involved) that Hibs and Block Seven have been working together on the implementation of safe standing. They are using this Wednesday’s UEFA Youth League match vs. Molde as a bit of a trial. It won’t have the rail seating, but presumably to see how other bits work such as acoustics, logistics, security and so forth before making a decision.

I believe Hibs will start promoting the pilot shortly too. I had a quick look at e-ticketing site and not bad sales so far for a youth match and before it’s been advertised.

If it’s your thing, why not grab a fiver ticket and join in?

https://i.ibb.co/qgHd7H5/7-E90294-D-A2-F8-4826-BB4-C-37098-D00843-C.jpg (https://ibb.co/5jQ6GQF)

[Pagan Hibernia]

Sounds great!

[Mick O'Rourke]

Sounds great!




Rebirth of "The Cave!"

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[Hermit Crab]

Can't make Wednesday but count me in for the future!!

[Jack]

I'll not be involved but it's good news.

[Pretty Boy]

Good to see something proactive happening on this. It's been spoken about for years so glad to see the club and fans coming together to try it out.

Hopefully it's a success and solutions can be found for all with an interest in such a move going forward.

[GreenCastle]

Good news and even a full block of fans will make a decent bit of noise.

The last time against Inverness in cup when the group filled up an area in FF lower it was definitely a success and helped us 2nd half.

See 5 mins onwards in this video - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lMMGHWmI3pA

[CallumLaidlaw]

Worth bumping this. That’s the club now advertising the singing section. Hopefully we can take a good crowd to this. I’m looking forward to a wee under the lights game.


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[Billy Whizz]

Worth bumping this. That’s the club now advertising the singing section. Hopefully we can take a good crowd to this. I’m looking forward to a wee under the lights game.


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Do they play the Champions League music

[Glory Lurker]

Keep it to songs about Hibs and it might be good

[ClermistonGreen]

Worth bumping this. That’s the club now advertising the singing section. Hopefully we can take a good crowd to this. I’m looking forward to a wee under the lights game.


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Are their no toilet facilities bud ?
:flag: :greengrin

[Hillsidehibby]

Rebirth of the Cave

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Glad someone else called it The Cave. Cowshead? Nah!

[Green Reaper]

Keep it to songs about Hibs and it might be good

That’s a good point and something the club could maybe say they will take in to their evaluation of this pilot.

[Feed McGraw]

Glad someone else called it The Cave. Cowshead? Nah! Always "The Cave", maybe called the Cowshed by some after the seats went in but really was always " The Cave ".

[DaveF]

Always "The Cave", maybe called the Cowshed by some after the seats went in but really was always " The Cave ".

Suppose it depends on your age as when I started going it was benched and always known as the cowshed. Happy memories of trying to squeeze through the bars from the terracing to shed in order to get so e cover from the rain.

[Ringothedog]

Always "The Cave", maybe called the Cowshed by some after the seats went in but really was always " The Cave ".

Was it not called “the cave” by us but “cowshed” by away fans?

[bod]

I’m no an away fan & it was always the cowshed to me .
Can’t mind it without the benches though

[Mick O'Rourke]

The Cave
Years later,a retired cop who lived near me was talking about his time working at Gayfield Sq
He referred to it as The Cave ! He did a few shifts at ER.
Madness and mayhem at some games,he recalled.
Back mid/late 60s,the cops, unlike now, were not shy in charging in to terracing to eject/arrest fans.
Sometimes just for waving a flag.
One time a cop tried to take a tricolour from me in the Cave.
I hit him with the broom handle the flag was attached to.(then i did a Johnny Cash, and missed out the next home game!)
Those in the thick of battles back then that i knew,and there was many,called it The Cave.

Those that used the derogatory term "cowshed"? Well,good for them !:greengrin

There was a chant,i recall,that included the word Cave.
Hope there was not one that used the word cowshed!

Maybe it was just the bams:greengrin that called it The Cave

[DIXIHIBS]

I’m no an away fan & it was always the cowshed to me .
Can’t mind it without the benches though

Always the cowshed for me. Never even heard of it being called the cave until i read it a while back on hibs.net. I remember it well without the benches...scary but exciting place for a young hibee!!

[surreyhibbie]

Always the cowshed for me. Never even heard of it being called the cave until i read it a while back on hibs.net. I remember it well without the benches...scary but exciting place for a young hibee!!

Exact opposite to me, always the Cave and never heard it call the cowshed... weird.

But yes, thats where all the "excitement" was :-) and a scary place for me as a youngster...

[Hibbyradge]

Exact opposite to me, always the Cave and never heard it call the cowshed... weird.



Same here.

[Captain Emerald]

Always the cowshed for me. Never even heard of it being called the cave until i read it a while back on hibs.net. I remember it well without the benches...scary but exciting place for a young hibee!!

Exactly the same for me. My first game in the Cowshed provided more firsts... My first evening game, first game without parental accompaniment, first European game. Hibernian 5 Naples/Napoli 0.

[Mick O'Rourke]

There is no doubt some fans referred to The Cave as the cow shed
Why ,defeats me. "Cowshed"suggests it was a tip !
Well the whole ground back then was a tip.
As many grounds were.Greedy owners !
For the hardcore behind the goals though,it was The Cave.
cowshedders can argue the toss,if they want:greengrin

I think the jambos had an area called "the shed"
Celtic it was The Jungle (no! not Clerry!)
Old rAngers called their asylum.... The Cave !

[Mick O'Rourke]

Exactly the same for me. My first game in the Cowshed provided more firsts... My first evening game, first game without parental accompaniment, first European game. Hibernian 5 Naples/Napoli 0.


I was coming up for 16 yrs of age.
I was working "back shift" in a newspaper office,but my boss let me go early.
Good Hibs man!
I got in,pie and bovril at kiosk,walking down the gangway,main terracing and Bobby Duncan scored.
Pie and bovril went flying ! My work clothes (a suit) got soaked in Bovril.
I gave the Cave a miss then, and stayed around the 18 yard box,iirc.
As Frankie Valli famously sang....
"Oh! What a night!,late November,back in '67 :greengrin



Anyway I hope the pilot/trial works well and the Hibernian Choir can call the lower FF ...home at last !

[OldEast]

Exactly the same for me. My first game in the Cowshed provided more firsts... My first evening game, first game without parental accompaniment, first European game. Hibernian 5 Naples/Napoli 0.

Your experience is very similar to mine. As laddies we used to lean against the wall down by the halfway line in the East terracing. The Napoli game was the first time we plucked up the courage to to into what was definitely called (for us and everyone we knew) "the cowshed"

[Dashing Bob S]

I was coming up for 16 yrs of age.
I was working "back shift" in a newspaper office,but my boss let me go early.
Good Hibs man!
I got in,pie and bovril at kiosk,walking down the gangway,main terracing and Bobby Duncan scored.
Pie and bovril went flying ! My work clothes (a suit) got soaked in Bovril.
I gave the Cave a miss then, and stayed around the 18 yard box,iirc.
As Frankie Valli famously sang....
"Oh! What a night!,late November,back in '67 :greengrin



Anyway I hope the pilot/trial works well and the Hibernian Choir can call the lower FF ...home at last !

Was a bit too young to recall the glory days of the Cave and we were never allowed to go in as five year olds, having to stand in the usually wet terracing, and look in. It would be excellent if that end in the FF lower was resurrected for todays more vocal fans. It would increase the atmosphere ten fold in the stadium and also keep the more exuberant factions away from the more mature stager like myself, who now just wants to watch the games in relative peace.

[DIXIHIBS]

Safe to say fans called it either cowshed/cave lol. Probably came down to where you were from and who your mates were etc. I went to school in leith and everyone called it the cowshed. Maybe if you are from other parts of town it was the cave. Either way it was the place to be late 60s early 70s.

[Feed McGraw]

Safe to say fans called it either cowshed/cave lol. Probably came down to where you were from and who your mates were etc. I went to school in leith and everyone called it the cowshed. Maybe if you are from other parts of town it was the cave. Either way it was the place to be late 60s early 70s. I think you might be on to something with who your mates were etc but I went to a Catholic secondary way across town from where I lived ( The Inch) and there were guys at that school from all parts of town including Leith who all called it The Cave. There were obviously groups who did call it the Cowshed but I don't remember meeting any at the time.

[DIXIHIBS]

I think you might be on to something with who your mates were etc but I went to a Catholic secondary way across town from where I lived ( The Inch) and there were guys at that school from all parts of town including Leith who all called it The Cave. There were obviously groups who did call it the Cowshed but I don't remember meeting any at the time.

What year was it seated?

[Feed McGraw]

What year was it seated? I think it was 1972. There was huge aggro in a match v the old Rangers with folk on the pitch and I think that was the last straw and it was closed, then seated or benched if you like 😄.

[basehibby]

Great idea and glad the board are giving it fair consideration. Much as I liked the LD era I was bemused by the intransigence of the board back then to the no brainer idea of putting the singing section behind the goals in the FF. It will really rev up ye atmosphere in a part of the ground that really needs it. Bring it on!

[Mick O'Rourke]

I think it was 1972. There was huge aggro in a match v the old Rangers with folk on the pitch and I think that was the last straw and it was closed, then seated or benched if you like ��.


September 27th 1972 v Sporting Lisbon was the last match played prior to The Cave having benches installed.

But that hun game ,as you say,sealed the fate of the old Cave.
The Cavemen* fought the maurading hun invaders at that game .!!
Cops batting,too.
The battles continued outside the stadium .
I dont recall a game (at ER) in my youth that had that much violence.
I slightly recall bottle and brick fights all along Albert Street into and up the Walk.
Pockets of the hun,some who maybe lost their way in the mayhem going on, got battered.
This was very little pavement dancing that night. Straight in.
Frightening for folk caught up in it.

For the rest of that decade, a visit to Ibrox was at your peril.
Scottish Cup Final v the hun 1979 and the replays saw mass battles,too.



* For thoser that prefer cowshed,substitute Cavemen for Milkmaids !:greengrin

[DIXIHIBS]

September 27th 1972 v Sporting Lisbon was the last match to be played before The Cave had benches installed.

But that hun game ,as you say,sealed the fate of the old Cave.
The Cave-ites fought the maurading hun invaders at that game .!!
Cops batting,too.
The battles continued outside the stadium .
I dont recall a game (at ER) in my youth that had that much violence.
I slightly recall bottle and brick fights all along Albert Street into the Walk.
Pockets of the hun who maybe lost their way got battered.
This was little pavement dancing that night.
Frightening for folk caught up in it

For the rest of that decade, a visit to Ibrox was at your peril.
Scottish Cup Final v the hun 1979 and the replays saw mass battles,too.

First game in 79 was the worst ive seen. We actually skelped the huns outside hampden that day. Very different story at the replays unfortunately. Not many buses made it home in one piece. Following year had the old firm riot and authorities...rightly... changed everything.

[Mick O'Rourke]

First game in 79 was the worst ive seen. We actually skelped the huns outside hampden that day. Very different story at the replays unfortunately. Not many buses made it home in one piece. Following year had the old firm riot and authorities...rightly... changed everything.
Like yourself i was at the 79 final.
Prospecthill Road,where many Hibs buses were,was chaos and mayhem.
One story i got,was a hun got kidnapped onto a bus and was held captive for a bit before getting chucked off.
He must have been terrified.
Mathers Bar at the West End ran a bus and some of the toughest guys i ever met were on it.
Once again,hun got a doing attempting attack on Mather's bus.
The second replay they took pure liberties with the much,by then,smaller Hibs crowd.
That 2nd replay was a Monday night.
I had been at Wembley on the Saturday.
Went in Centre Stand at Hampden.
We saw the hun hordes going into Celtic end near the end of the game .

As you say, following year was Hampden riot (200 plus arrested)and resulted in the ban on alcohol.
The Criminal Justice (Scotland )Act 1980?
England and Wales would follow suit a few years later.

The bevvying that went on in grounds then was unreal.
You could often get through turnstiles with as much as you could carry !
Now and again cops would confiscate booze at particular games.

Like the seating in grounds,it took major ...and tragic events to change laws.

[Hibbyradge]

Like yourself i was at the 79 final.
Prospecthill Road,where many Hibs buses were,was chaos and mayhem.
One story i got,was a hun got kidnapped onto a bus and was held captive for a bit before getting chucked off.
He must have been terrified.
Mathers Bar at the West End ran a bus and some of the toughest guys i ever met were on it.
Once again,hun got a doing attempting attack on Mather's bus.
The second replay they took pure liberties ,with the much by then ,smaller Hibs crowd
That 2nd replay was a Monday night.
I had been at Wembley on the Saturday.
Went in Centre Stand at Hampden.
We saw the hun hordes going into Celtic end near the end of the game .

As you say, following year was Hampden riot (200 plus arrested)and resulted in the ban on alcohol.
The Criminal Justice (Scotland )Act 1980?
England and Wales would follow suit a few years later.

The bevvying that went on in grounds then was unreal.
You could often get through turnstiles with as much as you could carry !
Now and again cops would confiscate booze at particular games.

Like the seating in grounds,it took major ...and tragic events to change laws.

I could have written every word of that!

I was at all 3 final games, Wembley and the Sporting Lisbon game you mentioned earlier.

Our bus, Hawkhill, got its windows tanned in too, iirc.

[Mick O'Rourke]

I could have written every word of that!

I was at all 3 final games, Wembley and the Sporting Lisbon game you mentioned earlier.

Our bus, Hawkhill, got its windows tanned in too, iirc.


That is what i love since i joined the forum.
I recall events i thought i had forgot !! ....And go off topic!:greengrin


Coachbuilders got plenty work back then.
I think by the 2nd replay some bus companies refused hires.
Insurance costs,plus previous losses with coaches being off the road for repairs.

Although some coaches looked in better nick after they got tanned !
No mention names !

[gbhibby]

Like yourself i was at the 79 final.
Prospecthill Road,where many Hibs buses were,was chaos and mayhem.
One story i got,was a hun got kidnapped onto a bus and was held captive for a bit before getting chucked off.
He must have been terrified.
Mathers Bar at the West End ran a bus and some of the toughest guys i ever met were on it.
Once again,hun got a doing attempting attack on Mather's bus.
The second replay they took pure liberties with the much,by then,smaller Hibs crowd.
That 2nd replay was a Monday night.
I had been at Wembley on the Saturday.
Went in Centre Stand at Hampden.
We saw the hun hordes going into Celtic end near the end of the game .

As you say, following year was Hampden riot (200 plus arrested)and resulted in the ban on alcohol.
The Criminal Justice (Scotland )Act 1980?
England and Wales would follow suit a few years later.

The bevvying that went on in grounds then was unreal.
You could often get through turnstiles with as much as you could carry !
Now and again cops would confiscate booze at particular games.

Like the seating in grounds,it took major ...and tragic events to change laws.
Was on the Fitbaw special for the first game got to the game 15 mins into the 2nd half. Our train was held up due to the 1st special train being damaged and there was lots of fighting on that train as there was Rangers fans on the train as well. Guys on our train because we were delayed started smashing the train up. We pulled into a station and police got on the train.
2nd Game bus got a window smashed loads of fights outside
The old firm fans thought they could take over the Cave but our guys were having none of it.
Remember it being called both the Cave and Cowshed,Jambos would call it the cowshed most of my Hibs supporting mates called it the Cave.

[offshorehibby]

Like yourself i was at the 79 final.
Prospecthill Road,where many Hibs buses were,was chaos and mayhem.
One story i got,was a hun got kidnapped onto a bus and was held captive for a bit before getting chucked off.
He must have been terrified.
Mathers Bar at the West End ran a bus and some of the toughest guys i ever met were on it.
Once again,hun got a doing attempting attack on Mather's bus.
The second replay they took pure liberties with the much,by then,smaller Hibs crowd.
That 2nd replay was a Monday night.
I had been at Wembley on the Saturday.
Went in Centre Stand at Hampden.
We saw the hun hordes going into Celtic end near the end of the game .



We had 3 buses at each game 79, came back with less and less and less windows each time. First game certainly opened my eyes as a young 17 year old.

Folklaw had it was the Doucot bus or possibly the Gunner that borrowed the hun and brought back to Edinburgh, emptying him at the Maybury.

[IberianHibernian]

Pity safe standing talk seems to have been hijacked .
Had never heard " Cowshed " used till I read it here about 5 years ago . Always " The Cave " and I remember the press publishing photos of " The Cave" when it was closed ( Derby where we wore all green shirts early in 72 / 73 - maybe after major trouble at Dyrbrough Cup semi v Rangers a few weeks before , suppose that is game referred to by some ) . Rest of ground must have been packed that day as Derbies then attracted over 30 000 and without Cave end must have been busy though I was there and don`t remember it being packed . Cowshed was Tynecastle and maybe Dens . Shed at Chelsea .

[gbhibby]

Safe standing seems to work at Parkhead so let's see what happens.Would prefer the singing section in the lower tier of the FF stand.

[Keith_M]

Just out of curiosity...


Does this mean the club are planning to move the Family Section to another part of the stadium?

I've read discussions about that on here, but nothing official, so just wondered if the club had said anything about it as part of this discussion.




p.s. Apologies for hijacking the 'All Our Yesterdays' chat' :wink:

[Onceinawhile]

Just out of curiosity...


Does this mean the club are planning to move the Family Section to another part of the stadium?

I've read discussions about that on here, but nothing official, so just wondered if the club had said anything about it as part of this discussion.




p.s. Apologies for hijacking the 'All Our Yesterdays' chat' :wink:

Will presumably depend on how Wednesday goes.

Wouldn't be surprised if it's moved elsewhere at some point.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Just out of curiosity...


Does this mean the club are planning to move the Family Section to another part of the stadium?

I've read discussions about that on here, but nothing official, so just wondered if the club had said anything about it as part of this discussion.




p.s. Apologies for hijacking the 'All Our Yesterdays' chat' :wink:

Well if a ball is rolling on this,we might here more soon.

If pilot is a success,whatever that would be,possibly the club could offer ST holders in FFL/Family Section any available seats in
the stadium .
Adults with kids might not want to remain in lower part if singing section moves there.
Their children might want to stay in FF though !!
If i was in lower with kids,i would not be unhappy if asked to move "upstairs"for this.
I think the upper FF would really benefit too.
In fact,i think if this takes off ,the whole FF will sell on most match days. STs and walk ups.

Lets bring back "all our yesterdays" to The Albion Road End :greengrin


I accept many fans have been in lower for years and dont want to move.
But the old grandads in there,who remember The Cave, must agree it is the best area for the choir.

[Dmas]

I think it would be great having the safe standing in FF lower, I have opinions on the way the Block 7 seem to be going and I would worry about creating our own version of the green brigade in the respect but it would be great to get in there and stand again.

Was the family section in the main stand back in cow shed days I can’t remember?

[leith lynx]

Just out of curiosity...


Does this mean the club are planning to move the Family Section to another part of the stadium?

I've read discussions about that on here, but nothing official, so just wondered if the club had said anything about it as part of this discussion.




p.s. Apologies for hijacking the 'All Our Yesterdays' chat' :wink:

I asked Ron Gordon directly pre- season regarding safe standing/singing section in the FF lower, he said he was seriously looking into this as a way of improving the atmosphere at ER and looking at a few pilot games this season with a view to bringing in to operation for the start of next season if all went well. It's a shame we were pumped out of the league Cup so early as I think we would have seen a trial at a first team game, maybe if we get a home Scottish Cup tie this could happen? Anyway Ron has been true to his word, up to the fans now to demonstrate this can work.

[gbhibby]

Well if a ball is rolling on this,we might here more soon.

If pilot is a success,whatever that would be,possibly the club could offer ST holders in FFL/Family Section any available seats in
the stadium .
Adults with kids might not want to remain in lower part if singing section moves there.
Their children might want to stay in FF though !!
If i was in lower with kids,i would not be unhappy if asked to move "upstairs"for this.
I think the upper FF would really benefit too.
In fact,i think if this takes off ,the whole FF will sell on most match days. STs and walk ups.

Lets bring back "all our yesterdays" to The Albion Road End :greengrin


I accept many fans have been in lower for years and dont want to move.
But the old grandads in there,who remember The Cave, must agree it is the best area for the choir.
The executive seats area in the upper FF could be the family area,they never look full at the best of times.

[basehibby]

The executive seats area in the upper FF could be the family area,they never look full at the best of times.
Great idea - any whinging at being moved would be assuaged by the thought of a nice comfy leather bound seat Shirley!

[gbhibby]

Great idea - any whinging at being moved would be assuaged by the thought of a nice comfy leather bound seat Shirley!
Oh no not the comfy chair ( Monty Python sketch).
As Ron and Ben have said it's all about improving the fan experience.
Could create a family lounge in Famous Five upper as well.

[Bridge hibs]

Great idea - any whinging at being moved would be assuaged by the thought of a nice comfy leather bound seat Shirley!Think there has been a reasonable uptake in season tickets for the comfy seats so no chance of squeezing the family section into that area

[hibsforeurope]

I think it would be great having the safe standing in FF lower, I have opinions on the way the Block 7 seem to be going and I would worry about creating our own version of the green brigade in the respect but it would be great to get in there and stand again.

Was the family section in the main stand back in cow shed days I can’t remember?

There was a family enclosure in the West lower, at the North end. the north flanks of the East and West would be least populated areas to accommodate a family section i'd think. both have good outside space to set up kidzones for pre match stuff too.

[Pretty Boy]

Is there still a need for a dedicated family section?

I sit in the FF Upper with my daughter, who is now 5 and was 3 when she started attending games, and it never crossed my mind to move downstairs with her. No one I know who takes their kids, ranging from 3 to 15, uses the family section and judging by how sparsely populated it is most weeks it seems either a majority or very sizable minority of families are also choosing not to use it.

Kids STs are available throughout the ground, I think there may be price variances so that's a consideration, and most people know the areas of ER that are a bit more boisterous than others and would choose their seats accordingly. I accepted that by taking my child to football I'm going to expose her to swearing (and from experience that's every bit as likely in a family section as anywhere else) and other behaviour she might not see in other environments. Most of the time she ignores it, sometimes she laughs at it and as parents my wife and I take responsibility and explain that it's not nice and not to repeat it. Thus far we have had no instances of her doing it at home and no reports from other parents, school, ballet classes etc that she has done it elsewhere.

I'd be all for having a family friendly space in or around the ground for the kids to enjoy pre match with refreshments for them and 'refreshments' for the parents too. I'd also like to see us explore a sensory area or similar for autistic kids, there are a few at EPL grounds and they are an amazing resource. I would be curious to know if anyone really felt a dedicated family section in the ground was a deal breaker though? I also take a family friends daughter to games, she is coming up 9 and tbh I reckon she would be more inclined to want to go and sit or stand near the singing section than move to a family section. Is a family section one of those things that there is attachment to because 'we have always had one' or is it still a real necessity?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

There was a family enclosure in the West lower, at the North end. the north flanks of the East and West would be least populated areas to accommodate a family section i'd think. both have good outside space to set up kidzones for pre match stuff too.

Wouldn't thank you for sticking me here. The view is ****

[hibsforeurope]

Wouldn't thank you for sticking me here. The view is ****

I'm not saying it's a great view but if the safe standing is to go in the FFL it's a space with capacity to take a family section. Personally i agree with PB's post above, don't think we need a dedicated family seating section anymore. a pre/post match space in or around ER is more beneficial.

[Since452]

My Aberdeen mate says their singing section behind the goals has made a massive difference to the atmosphere. Red Shed or something they call it. Cheap tickets and very loud. Probably one of the reasons they keep scudding teams at Pittodrie. All adds to it.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I'm not saying it's a great view but if the safe standing is to go in the FFL it's a space with capacity to take a family section. Personally i agree with PB's post above, don't think we need a dedicated family seating section anymore. a pre/post match space in or around ER is more beneficial.

Think you're right about the dedicated family section though
There is also the east side of the south that is only full for 3 games. If they moved folk here out with those games then it wouldn't be an issue and for those games folk would be accommodated elsewhere in the stadium prior to public sale

[DIXIHIBS]

My Aberdeen mate says their singing section behind the goals has made a massive difference to the atmosphere. Red Shed or something they call it. Cheap tickets and very loud. Probably one of the reasons they keep scudding teams at Pittodrie. All adds to it.

Heard that too. We need to make it similar with cheap tickets and pay on the day would help. Sure a lot of the young team wont have STs. Hope hibs do something. It might upset a few who have to move but we've got to look at the bigger picture.

[Pretty Boy]

My Aberdeen mate says their singing section behind the goals has made a massive difference to the atmosphere. Red Shed or something they call it. Cheap tickets and very loud. Probably one of the reasons they keep scudding teams at Pittodrie. All adds to it.

I mentioned the Red Shed on the thread about Ross County on which I managed to make myself the pantomime villain (even if I do think the point I was making was misconstrued).

I believe it was initially, and may still be, unallocated seating so fans can congregate with whatever group they are with that week rather than sitting on their own because the people they usually go with can't make it or whatever. I would hope any attempt to change the usage of the FF lower would be to unallocated seating. It would allow those wanting to really get a bit rowdy and lead the signing to all congregate together, similar to under the TV gantry in the old East. Obviously this would still have to be within the capacity of the area and with a bit enforcement of one person, one seat/space but those choosing to go in there would quickly find their space and a bit of self organisation would see the radges together, the interested observers together and the 'I'm not sure if I should really be here' together as well.

[Onceinawhile]

My Aberdeen mate says their singing section behind the goals has made a massive difference to the atmosphere. Red Shed or something they call it. Cheap tickets and very loud. Probably one of the reasons they keep scudding teams at Pittodrie. All adds to it.

No, they're scudding teams at home as they've improved the team.

They had the red shed last season, why weren't they battering teams at that point?

[Bridge hibs]

I mentioned the Red Shed on the thread about Ross County on which I managed to make myself the pantomime villain (even if I do think the point I was making was misconstrued).

I believe it was initially, and may still be, unallocated seating so fans can congregate with whatever group they are with that week rather than sitting on their own because the people they usually go with can't make it or whatever. I would hope any attempt to change the usage of the FF lower would be to unallocated seating. It would allow those wanting to really get a bit rowdy and lead the signing to all congregate together, similar to under the TV gantry in the old East. Obviously this would still have to be within the capacity of the area and with a bit enforcement of one person, one seat/space but those choosing to go in there would quickly find their space and a bit of self organisation would see the radges together, the interested observers together and the 'I'm not sure if I should really be here' together as well.What I remember of the old east pre and post seating was that the end closest to the away end/segregation was traditionally where the singers/bams and wanna be bams converged and those who didnt want to be in the thick of it stood/sat at the fringes and further along the terrace

With regards your point further up about requirement for a family section, good question and I suppose hibs are the only ones who could answer that as they would have stats on seat usage/uptake

Im sure it was busy and popular at the time but like everything nowadays theres always changes and reasons for changes such as affordability, kids becoming of age and want something different. I believe there is room for everyone though and with a bit of planning and forward thinking Im sure every group could be accommodated.

What we dont need though are groups of fans displaced because others on a forum think its a good idea, look what happened when fans were moved out of their seats in the FF upper to accommodate the singing section only for them to move again

[Pretty Boy]

What I remember of the old east pre and post seating was that the end closest to the away end/segregation was traditionally where the singers/bams and wanna be bams converged and those who didnt want to be in the thick of it stood/sat at the fringes and further along the terrace

With regards your point further up about requirement for a family section, good question and I suppose hibs are the only ones who could answer that as they would have stats on seat usage/uptake

Im sure it was busy and popular at the time but like everything nowadays theres always changes and reasons for changes such as affordability, kids becoming of age and want something different. I believe there is room for everyone though and with a bit of planning and forward thinking Im sure every group could be accommodated.

What we dont need though are groups of fans displaced because others on a forum think its a good idea, look what happened when fans were moved out of their seats in the FF upper to accommodate the singing section only for them to move again

I was one of that group moved from Section 25.

I was a bit unhappy about it at the time, not because it was the wrong decision, an area with 30 something ST holders was absolutely the best one to move. It was more frustrating that the club liaised with the then singing section but not the other stakeholders. The 1at we knew about it was when a letter dropped through the door. I know for a fact that a fair few members of the group were embarrassed by that and keen to point out they were unaware that was going to happen.

Any changes to stadium usage really need to be in consultation with all those potentially impacted. I wouldn't support the family section being closed or shifted without discussions with those impacted and there input sought on how they are accommodated moving forward though. Equally though if something is going to improve the overall atmosphere and experience at ER then somebody has to take tough decisions and accept you are never going to please everyone.

[Carheenlea]

Is there enough room to make the family section FF upper alongside existing ST holders in the upper tier?

[Ronniekirk]

So has the one section set aside for the singing section sold out ?

[Chuck Rhoades]

So has the one section set aside for the singing section sold out ?

About 250 of 400ish sold. Not bad for a U19 match!

[CapitalGreen]

About 250 of 400ish sold. Not bad for a U19 match!

That’s a brilliant effort for a midweek youth match. Hopefully they help spur the young team onto victory.

[Onceinawhile]

So has the one section set aside for the singing section sold out ?

No. The ffl is mostly sold. However people pick and choose what games to take their kids to.

[LaMotta]

No, they're scudding teams at home as they've improved the team.

They had the red shed last season, why weren't they battering teams at that point?

How do you know it didn't help them last season? They beat us there twice comfortably and could have had an even worse season without it.

[Tambo]

Well done to everyone involved 👏 will no doubt give the young lads a boost.

[Since90+2]

So we will be looking at somewhere around 300 in that section for an under 19 game on a Wednesday night? That's brilliant and does show the demand is there if Hibs would just act upon it which they finally seem to be doing.

[erin go bragh]

So we will be looking at somewhere around 300 in that section for an under 19 game on a Wednesday night? That's brilliant and does show the demand is there if Hibs would just act upon it which they finally seem to be doing.

I’ll guarantee the 300 make more noise than a half full ff lower does.

[GreenCastle]

It’s a pretty good effort for a midweek u19 game.

Don’t think Hibs have actually advertised the signing section for this behind goals - unless I missed it ?

Just here and block 7 Twitter it’s been mentioned.

Hopefully it goes well and next season the club can make a change to continue to improve the ER atmosphere.

[RIP]

Don’t think Hibs have actually advertised the signing section for this behind goals - unless I missed it ?

Just here and block 7 Twitter it’s been mentioned.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/preview-wee-hibees-return-for-uefa-youth-league-action

Couple of mentions on the club website and Steve Kean’s Hibs TV interview

[Dmas]

Heard that too. We need to make it similar with cheap tickets and pay on the day would help. Sure a lot of the young team wont have STs. Hope hibs do something. It might upset a few who have to move but we've got to look at the bigger picture.

What do you think the argument for cheaper tickets in a standing section would be?

I’ve been thinking about this and if you were to take the rest of the stadium pricing as a guide would any area of FFL fall into even the silver category of pricing? I think you’re getting as good if not better a view of the game than anywhere out with middle sections of the ground.

I’m a fan of Ron Gordon and by no means am I trying to stir here but this could be a great way to fill the FFL with a more expensive ticket than currently whilst only taking a small drop off tickets in silver priced areas of the stadium if they move to a new family section.

[DIXIHIBS]

What do you think the argument for cheaper tickets in a standing section would be?

I’ve been thinking about this and if you were to take the rest of the stadium pricing as a guide would any area of FFL fall into even the silver category of pricing? I think you’re getting as good if not better a view of the game than anywhere out with middle sections of the ground.

I’m a fan of Ron Gordon and by no means am I trying to stir here but this could be a great way to fill the FFL with a more expensive ticket than currently whilst only taking a small drop off tickets in silver priced areas of the stadium if they move to a new family section.

This area would generally be younger/teenage fans and i really dont think making tickets more expensive would encourage them to go. We want an area like this to be packed...not half empty coz people cant afford it.

[hibsforeurope]

This area would generally be younger/teenage fans and i really dont think making tickets more expensive would encourage them to go. We want an area like this to be packed...not half empty coz people cant afford it.

I know it's rugby and not in this country but the Otago highlanders have a tie in with the city's university and offer cheap tickets to an area behind the 'posts' it creates a brilliant atmosphere during games with students attending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vt6GNMGUu0

[Stairway 2 7]

This area would generally be younger/teenage fans and i really dont think making tickets more expensive would encourage them to go. We want an area like this to be packed...not half empty coz people cant afford it.

Aye mental chat charging more. Will be full of under 25s. Hey them in addicted, they will eventually move stands and take their kids and on it goes

[Since452]

Surely another step closer. That was brilliant last night.

[Bristolhibby]

This area would generally be younger/teenage fans and i really dont think making tickets more expensive would encourage them to go. We want an area like this to be packed...not half empty coz people cant afford it.

Although my kids are the younger side of the teenage scale, I’m sure theyed love to go in there. Still at the “go with Dad age” and baring in mind we live in the South West, it’s likely they will always be “going with Dad”.

Need to get my singing voice on.

J

[GreenCastle]

Although my kids are the younger side of the teenage scale, I’m sure theyed love to go in there. Still at the “go with Dad age” and baring in mind we live in the South West, it’s likely they will always be “going with Dad”.

Need to get my singing voice on.

J

I think the issue is easier to fix than Hibs realise.

Allow Block 7 the full middle section initially. If it fills up every game then end of the season this will need addressed.

But you can still have a way that parents have the option to take kids and semi supervise them if they want to join in with the songs etc.

The issue is the rude songs / the smoke bombs etc.

Those who have central FF lower seats get 1st chose to relocate to anywhere else in stadium or another part of FF lower.

So we have a busier / noisier section behind the goals that lifts who stadium plus an end the players enjoy shooting towards.

You then also have the next generation of fans getting hooked on Hibs alongside current block 7.

Could even have unallocated seats in FF lower so if one week a fan wants to join in they can but if they don’t there are other places to watch the game.

[Onceinawhile]

I think the issue is easier to fix than Hibs realise.

Allow Block 7 the full middle section initially. If it fills up every game then end of the season this will need addressed.

But you can still have a way that parents have the option to take kids and semi supervise them if they want to join in with the songs etc.

The issue is the rude songs / the smoke bombs etc.

Those who have central FF lower seats get 1st chose to relocate to anywhere else in stadium or another part of FF lower.

So we have a busier / noisier section behind the goals that lifts who stadium plus an end the players enjoy shooting towards.

You then also have the next generation of fans getting hooked on Hibs alongside current block 7.

Could even have unallocated seats in FF lower so if one week a fan wants to join in they can but if they don’t there are other places to watch the game.

That wouldn't really work though.

Imagine you are in one of the non central blocks of the FFL. How do you see what's going on on the opposite side of the pitch if the full central block is stood up?

Also, a lot of people seem to think it is just young families in the FFL. There's a lot of older people too who just won't want to stand.

[Keith_M]

I don't think mixing the Singing-Section/Ultras/Block-7/The-Young-Team in with the Family Section is a good idea at all... for obvious reasons.

In my view, any change has to be all or nothing.

[GreenCastle]

I don't think mixing the Singing-Section/Ultras/Block-7/The-Young-Team in with the Family Section is a good idea at all... for obvious reasons.

In my view, any change has to be all or nothing.

Full change would be my 1st choice but just thinking of easy ways to cause less disruption to folk with current ST in those seats.

[DIXIHIBS]

To anyone there last night...how did standing section look/sound? Realise only a youth game, just to get an idea.

[matty_f]

To anyone there last night...how did standing section look/sound? Realise only a youth game, just to get an idea.

They were good, very noisy and lots of energy.

[Nicho87]

2 games now in that section
Both great

Get it permanently done