Italian elections

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First far-right govt since Second World War apparently expected to be elected:

https://www.vox.com/world/2022/9/24/23366464/italy-elections-meloni-sweden-europe-far-right

Follows hard on the heels of similar results in Sweden. What's at the root of this? I know Le Pen made significant inroads on France recently but I thought the far-right was generally being kept at bay in Europe.

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Brutal a literal fascist and a buffoon

[Hibbyradge]

Brutal a literal fascist and a buffoon

There already is a thread about Trump.

[Stairway 2 7]

There already is a thread about Trump.

Trumps a buffoon but I don't believe he is particularly political. He's populist and easily swayed so dangerous. But yeah him, meloni, truss and putin, bloody bad times

[Jones28]

Yikes.

Even in the UK we can’t elect proper fascists, just these namby-pamby kiddy on fascists.

[The Tubs]

Yikes.

Even in the UK we can’t elect proper fascists, just these namby-pamby kiddy on fascists.

You're kidding yourself if you think this coalition's outlook is much different from the Conservatives' with regard to immigrants. I'd imagine the coalition will respect workers' rights more than the Conservatives.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63029909

Exit polls all but confirm her as Italy's first female PM.

[Jamesie]

I’d recommend reading the undernoted article and drawing your own conclusions on Meloni.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-giorgia-meloni-the-most-dangerous-woman-in-europe

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I’d recommend reading the undernoted article and drawing your own conclusions on Meloni.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-giorgia-meloni-the-most-dangerous-woman-in-europe

Her 'natural family' values and anti-gender ideology views will play out well in Italy:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62659183

[hibsbollah]

You're kidding yourself if you think this coalition's outlook is much different from the Conservatives' with regard to immigrants. I'd imagine the coalition will respect workers' rights more than the Conservatives.

:agree: We put refugees fleeing from genocide torture and war in jail, and then ship them to Rwanda. I think because our extremism is now everyday we somehow think we're not run by extremists. Whatevers happening in Italy will emerge in the next few months, as usual in that country whatever power they have will be tenuous and will require propped up by by the centre right, who are the post-fascists party's coalition partners, and who are probably slightly to the Left of the current UK Labour Party leadership. Theres also regional parties involved and the remnants of the Northern League so lots of different interests to look after. Its not like a fascist party has absolute power and a parliamentary majority to invade Ethiopia or anything.

[Keith_M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63029909

Exit polls all but confirm her as Italy's first female PM.



Gender equality's a good thing, surely.


:duck:

[Jones28]

You're kidding yourself if you think this coalition's outlook is much different from the Conservatives' with regard to immigrants. I'd imagine the coalition will respect workers' rights more than the Conservatives.

It was very much a joke.

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Advocating a Naval blockade of refugee boats coming from Libya is certainly an extreme measure but I guess it might play well with the electorate of a country where the numbers arriving dwarf those crossing the Channel.

[James310]

Advocating a Naval blockade of refugee boats coming from Libya is certainly an extreme measure but I guess it might play well with the electorate of a country where the numbers arriving dwarf those crossing the Channel.

Didn't the EU pay vast sums of money to ship migrants back to Libya from Italy?

[Stairway 2 7]

Didn't the EU pay vast sums of money to ship migrants back to Libya from Italy?

Yeah eu have been doing this for years. Basically send migrants to EU funded centres in Libya. EU also gave Turkey huge sums to keep Syrians they didn't want

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Yeah eu have been doing this for years. Basically send migrants to EU funded centres in Libya. EU also gave Turkey huge sums to keep Syrians they didn't want

Might be wrong but I don't think there's an EU deal in place with Libya to take back migrants from Italy. Think that's what Meloni is advocating (as an alternative to her naval blockade proposals). The deal with Turkey is definitely in place, though not sure how effective it's been.

[James310]

Might be wrong but I don't think there's an EU deal in place with Libya to take back migrants from Italy. Think that's what Meloni is advocating (as an alternative to her naval blockade proposals). The deal with Turkey is definitely in place, though not sure how effective it's been.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/libya-eu-conditions-remain-hellish-as-eu-marks-5-years-of-cooperation-agreements/


Definitely something in place.

[Keith_M]

Might be wrong but I don't think there's an EU deal in place with Libya to take back migrants from Italy. Think that's what Meloni is advocating (as an alternative to her naval blockade proposals). The deal with Turkey is definitely in place, though not sure how effective it's been.



I think the deal with Turkey was a reaction to the massive number of refugees fleeing the war in Syria (2016?)

Some countries accepted a large number, at least at first, but it wasn't a very popular approach for a lot of EU states.

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https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/libya-eu-conditions-remain-hellish-as-eu-marks-5-years-of-cooperation-agreements/


Definitely something in place.

According to her quotes here last month the EU has never negotiated a deal with Libya:

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/meloni-calls-for-a-naval-blockade/

[Keith_M]

It's quite worrying that two countries on the Nazi/Fascist side in WWII, Hungary and Italy, have moved back to the same type of politics.

Orban made a point of publicly congratulating his Italian counterparts.

Along with the rise of the extreme right in other countries, like France, it's a very worrying time to be living in.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's quite worrying that two countries on the Nazi/Fascist side in WWII, Hungary and Italy, have moved back to the same type of politics.

Orban made a point of publicly congratulating his Italian counterparts.

Along with the rise of the extreme right in other countries, like France, it's a very worrying time to be living in.

The very right wing Sweden Democrats made big gains just last week, coming second; Poland has a very right wing government.

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According to her quotes here last month the EU has never negotiated a deal with Libya:

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/meloni-calls-for-a-naval-blockade/

Libya has been given millions for over 5 years now to lock up eu migrants in hellish conditions

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/libya-eu-conditions-remain-hellish-as-eu-marks-5-years-of-cooperation-agreements/

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Trumps a buffoon but I don't believe he is particularly political. He's populist and easily swayed so dangerous. But yeah him, meloni, truss and putin, bloody bad times

Meloni (via Google translate). Populist rather than fascist?

“Yes to natural families, no to la LGBT lobby, yes to sexual identity, no to gender ideology. They want to call us parent 1, parent 2, gender LGBT, citizen X, with code numbers. But we are not code numbers… and we’ll defend our identity. I am Giorgia. I am a woman. I am a mother. I am Italian, I am Christian. You will not take that away from me! No to the violence of Islam, yes to safer borders, no to mass immigration, yes to work for our people, no to major international finance,”

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Meloni (via Google translate). Populist rather than fascist?

“Yes to natural families, no to la LGBT lobby, yes to sexual identity, no to gender ideology. They want to call us parent 1, parent 2, gender LGBT, citizen X, with code numbers. But we are not code numbers… and we’ll defend our identity. I am Giorgia. I am a woman. I am a mother. I am Italian, I am Christian. You will not take that away from me! No to the violence of Islam, yes to safer borders, no to mass immigration, yes to work for our people, no to major international finance,”

She's a fascists but being populist to be in power. She's heavily anti eu but says she'll stay in because it's what the people want. She's pro Putin but says she will fund Ukraine because the public want it. So yes populist but unlike trump has actual political opinions, and they are horrible

[Hibernia&Alba]

Meloni (via Google translate). Populist rather than fascist?

“Yes to natural families, no to la LGBT lobby, yes to sexual identity, no to gender ideology. They want to call us parent 1, parent 2, gender LGBT, citizen X, with code numbers. But we are not code numbers… and we’ll defend our identity. I am Giorgia. I am a woman. I am a mother. I am Italian, I am Christian. You will not take that away from me! No to the violence of Islam, yes to safer borders, no to mass immigration, yes to work for our people, no to major international finance,”

How will that translate into policies.?
'No to LGBT Lobby'. What does that mean; will homosexual relationships be outlawed?
'No to violence of Islam'. How much Islamic violence is Italy experiencing, and what will she do about it?
'No to mass immigration'. We can take an educated guess what that will mean, and it won't be pleasant.

Bigoted and simplistic slogans are one thing, but what will the policies look like?

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She says she wants immigration but only if 50/50 male female and over 90% of immigrants are male and that won't solve their low birth rate.

Their population is expected to go from 60 to 40 million, so they infact need everyone they can keep

[hibsbollah]

How will that translate into policies.?
'No to LGBT Lobby'. What does that mean; will homosexual relationships be outlawed?
'No to violence of Islam'. How much Islamic violence is Italy experiencing, and what will she do about it?
'No to mass immigration'. We can take an educated guess what that will mean, and it won't be pleasant.

Bigoted and simplistic slogans are one thing, but what will the policies look like?

Very much too early to tell. One thing thats definite, all these groups will see a big upturn in street violence, attacks and harrassment. When a leader spouts than kind of intolerance, whether its in Orban's Hungary, Putin's Russia or Trump demonizing the Chinese, advocacy groups always report it getting played out on the streets as the fascists get emboldened. Thats why you need a Cable Street to sort them out at this point, or you're in big trouble.

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How will that translate into policies.?
'No to LGBT Lobby'. What does that mean; will homosexual relationships be outlawed?
'No to violence of Islam'. How much Islamic violence is Italy experiencing, and what will she do about it?
'No to mass immigration'. We can take an educated guess what that will mean, and it won't be pleasant.

Bigoted and simplistic slogans are one thing, but what will the policies look like?

I think being gay in Italy remains a difficult experience for many, with or without Meloni coming to power.

[He's here!]

Very much too early to tell. One thing thats definite, all these groups will see a big upturn in street violence, attacks and harrassment. When a leader spouts than kind of intolerance, whether its in Orban's Hungary, Putin's Russia or Trump demonizing the Chinese, advocacy groups always report it getting played out on the streets as the fascists get emboldened. Thats why you need a Cable Street to sort them out at this point, or you're in big trouble.

Cable Street was about giving a kicking to a bampot fringe movement which would never have got near power. Meloni is the first leader elected by the Italian public in about 15 years. She's arguably got more of a democratic mandate than Liz Truss.

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Piers Morgan says new leader isn't fascist and people need to brush up on their history. Italian and fascism historian says piers is wrong, piers says historian has to go back to school. Hahaha what an arse of a man

https://mobile.twitter.com/broderly/status/1574541714387263488

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Yes so not worse than uk gov 🤔

mjs_DC
Incoming Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni wants to ban same-sex couples from adopting children, and possibly dissolve same-sex couples' legal parentage over the children they've already adopted. Gay parents are considering fleeing the country

Meloni's party sought to ban a cartoon featuring a bear with two mothers, arguing that kids should not see same-sex adoption as “natural” or “normal, because it’s not.”

Meloni also wants to ban gay Italians from traveling elsewhere for IVF and surrogacy

Her next focus is severely limiting women getting abortions

[grunt]

Orban made a point of publicly congratulating his Italian counterparts.

So did Truss.

[hibsbollah]

So did Truss.

…was about to be shocked and furious and appalled and all that…
…before realising that’s just normal now.

[grunt]

…was about to be shocked and furious and appalled and all that…
…before realising that’s just normal now.
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1574476937015304192?s=20&t=6zCmAZDa9PwjbHsoYr9_ww

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1574476937015304192?s=20&t=6zCmAZDa9PwjbHsoYr9_ww

This is the PM who couldn’t confirm that she considered France an ‘ally’ last month.

[Bostonhibby]

…was about to be shocked and furious and appalled and all that…
…before realising that’s just normal now.I'm guessing there's a decent chance she knows where Italy is.

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Italy's first female PM officially installed:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63327290.amp

[Kato]

Italy's first female PM officially installed:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63327290.ampNext week is the 100th Anniversary of Mussolini getting the trains running on time.

If Boris does his come back he will be all over her like a cheap suit.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Italy's first female PM officially installed:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63327290.amp

Pity she is fascist **** women or not. EU join nut job truss in congratulations

Ursula von der Leyen
@vonderleyen
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Congratulations to
@GiorgiaMeloni
on her appointment as Italian Prime Minister, the first woman to hold the post.

I count on and look forward to constructive cooperation with the new government on the challenges we face together

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Pity she is fascist **** women or not. EU join nut job truss in congratulations

Ursula von der Leyen
@vonderleyen
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Congratulations to
@GiorgiaMeloni
on her appointment as Italian Prime Minister, the first woman to hold the post.

I count on and look forward to constructive cooperation with the new government on the challenges we face together

EU presumably anxious to keep Italy on board:

https://www.ft.com/content/b5faa66b-1195-4af4-b1ac-049446f6a725

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https://mobile.twitter.com/dwnews/status/1589329986183389185

dwnews
Italian authorities have refused to let some migrants disembark a humanitarian rescue ship, and are forcing them back into international waters.

Two other rescue boats remain at sea as their requests to dock have been ignored