Boyle/Cadden role

[theonlywayisup]

In the past few games, I feel that the re-introduction of Boyle into the team has impacted on Cadden's play. Whereas last season we saw Cadden as a major threat down the right, resulting in him being our Player of the Season, we now see him play a secondary role. The linkage on Saturday was much better, but even then, I felt Cadden first thought was to pass to Boyle rather than whip in a cross. Even Boyle, at times, passed back rather than get the cross in.

It seemed to my uneducated mind that they were looking for the perfect opportunity to get to the byline rather than bend in a cross. I feel now we've the big lad who is quick enough to react to a cross, so would like them to vary the play a bit and get the cross over quickly. You could say it was similar on the left with Youan / Tavares wanting to take far too many touches. The difference being Marijan Čabraja likes to get crosses in much quicker.

Thoughts?

PS: Both played well, but feel Cadden's influence is being diluted.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Can’t we just play both (like we are) and have two threats down the right? Don’t believe either is diluting each other, they’ll only get better once we start to hit our groove.

[H18 SFR]

In the past few games, I feel that the re-introduction of Boyle into the team has impacted on Cadden's play. Whereas last season we saw Cadden as a major threat down the right, resulting in him being our Player of the Season, we now see him play a secondary role. The linkage on Saturday was much better, but even then, I felt Cadden first thought was to pass to Boyle rather than whip in a cross. Even Boyle, at times, passed back rather than get the cross in.

It seemed to my uneducated mind that they were looking for the perfect opportunity to get to the byline rather than bend in a cross. I feel now we've the big lad who is quick enough to react to a cross, so would like them to vary the play a bit and get the cross over quickly. You could say it was similar on the left with Youan / Tavares wanting to take far too many touches. The difference being Marijan Čabraja likes to get crosses in much quicker.

Thoughts?

PS: Both played well, but feel Cadden's influence is being diluted.

I read recently that 1 in 7 cut backs from the goal line result in a goal whereas its 1 in 90 from crosses. Puts some perspective on it.

[OldEast]

Once everyone is fit we're going to have plenty attacking options. Don't envy Lee Johnson but it's a good position to be in. Latest suggestion I saw (perhaps on here) was Boyle left, McKirdy right. In that case I could see McKirdy coming infield more than Boyle currently does leaving room for Cadden to attack.

[MWHIBBIES]

Cadden arguably had more influence than Boyle. He was absolutely brilliant on Saturday. Assist for Campbell and cross for the 3rd (I think, was maybe Jdh)

One of his best games for Hibs though.

[cameronw-hfc]

We've scored 2 cutbacks/low-driven crosses off the top of my head already this season, both Boyle and both assisted by Youan, so it makes sense we've been targeting hitting the byline with the pacey players to cut back rather than cross.

[JoeT]

Worked fine on Saturday

[penihibs]

Cadden arguably had more influence than Boyle. He was absolutely brilliant on Saturday. Assist for Campbell and cross for the 3rd (I think, was maybe Jdh)

One of his best games for Hibs though.
Agree with you,best player by a mile on Saturday what an engine he has.

[B.H.F.C]

Playing against 10 men probably helped in terms of the space he got but teams double up on Boyle as well. Thought he did the same as he does most weeks in terms of getting up and down the park but added the end product which he often lacks IMO. Thought he was one that came out in the second half and really looked to take the game to them and get the win.

[RyeSloan]

In the past few games, I feel that the re-introduction of Boyle into the team has impacted on Cadden's play. Whereas last season we saw Cadden as a major threat down the right, resulting in him being our Player of the Season, we now see him play a secondary role. The linkage on Saturday was much better, but even then, I felt Cadden first thought was to pass to Boyle rather than whip in a cross. Even Boyle, at times, passed back rather than get the cross in.

It seemed to my uneducated mind that they were looking for the perfect opportunity to get to the byline rather than bend in a cross. I feel now we've the big lad who is quick enough to react to a cross, so would like them to vary the play a bit and get the cross over quickly. You could say it was similar on the left with Youan / Tavares wanting to take far too many touches. The difference being Marijan Čabraja likes to get crosses in much quicker.

Thoughts?

PS: Both played well, but feel Cadden's influence is being diluted.

I’d say the opposite tbh. Esp. as it was a Cadden assist and a Cadden cross for the second and third on Sat.

Also like the fact that Cadden and Boyle link up and mix it up. The opposition doesn’t know of its going to be a cross or one of them running in behind with the ball.

Doesn’t always come off of course but thought their linking and movement was more than fine on Sat and pleased we have that laid back together again!

[Hibee Mac]

I thought Cadden and Boyle linked really well in the 2nd half. Probably partly down to playing 10 men.

The best change for me was that down both flanks they finally started playing passes in front of each other and in behind, not just to feet. Makes a big difference to creating meaningful chances.

[500miles]

Previously we didn't encourage midfielders driving forward and getting beyond the strikers, which gave Boyle space to cut in to the box more. Boyles now playing a bit wider, and hitting the byline more, which means Cadden doesn't get the space to make the overlap so he either has to cross early or cut inside - the latter movement setting up Campbell's first goal.

I don't think he's as comfortable with that, as it nullifies his main strength- his very powerful driving runs up the wing. That's not to say he won't adapt - I think he will, and I think he plays better when Youan and Boyle switch sides, so he still contributes .

[Brightside]

I thought Cadden was excellent on Saturday. Boyle allows his to cut inside and that’s where our 2nd goal came from.

[S4uzee]

Really like Cadden, strong player who always gives 100%

[Tyler Durden]

We're starting to see a settled team now and we'll reap the benefits. There are various partnerships all over the pitch where players are still getting used to each other and taking on the manager's tactics. As Johnson said on Saturday, "things are starting to click".

Having Cadden and Boyle together on that flank is a big strength and hopefully they'll only get better.

I do think Cadden's influence last season was overstated anyway. More often than not he was just knocking crosses into space. Having a proper coach this season will make the world of difference.

[J-C]

Cadden isn't an out and out fast wingback you see nowadays, he's a right midfielder who has a new role at RB, Boyle is the perfect foil for Cadden, he can play wide and allow Cadden to cut in and vice versa, The Campbell goal is a perfect example of that with Cadden coming through the middle to play the killer pass, then we have the opposite where Cadden stays out wide and puts in the cross that ends up with the 3rd goal.

[B.H.F.C]

We're starting to see a settled team now and we'll reap the benefits. There are various partnerships all over the pitch where players are still getting used to each other and taking on the manager's tactics. As Johnson said on Saturday, "things are starting to click".

Having Cadden and Boyle together on that flank is a big strength and hopefully they'll only get better.

I do think Cadden's influence last season was overstated anyway. More often than not he was just knocking crosses into space. Having a proper coach this season will make the world of difference.

This isn’t meant as a pop at Cadden, but him being player of the year last year said more about us than him IMO. I think he’s a decent player and I think he’ll do well this season now that we’re not reliant on him trying to create (when much of the time it came to nothing anyway).

Agree the basis of the team is now there, probably two of the positions in the front three are still to be properly claimed.

[Sioux]

Cadden seems to get a raw deal here sometimes. Everyone and their dug knew where the ball was going when Cadden crossed it last season. The only ones that couldn't work it out were strikers and other forward thinking players.

[Unseen work]

Cadden seems to get a raw deal here sometimes. Everyone and their dug knew where the ball was going when Cadden crossed it last season. The only ones that couldn't work it out were strikers and other forward thinking players.

In fairness, it’s easier said than done to get on the end of a cross and stay on side when it is fizzle across goal at 100mph. It looks like a good cross but in reality sometimes the forwards have no chance whatsoever getting on the end of it. That’s where my frustration with him was, sometimes he just needed to look for a cut back or take a bit off it imo.

But yesterday he was brilliant and faultless.

Re Boyle/Cadden the only thing I think is sometimes they run into each other’s space, trying to get an overload in a really tight position when sometimes it would be better leaving Boyle with the space to go into himself.

[tamig]

I think they’re actually developing a really good understanding game by game. Cadden is still getting into good forward positions and continues to deliver.

[Mcbizz1998]

Cadden arguably had more influence than Boyle. He was absolutely brilliant on Saturday. Assist for Campbell and cross for the 3rd (I think, was maybe Jdh)

One of his best games for Hibs though.

Agree. I thought he was excellent, one of his best performances. Cabraja as well, those 2 should be nailed on either side going forward.

[allezsauzee]

There's certainly as risk that they could end up cramping each other style but I think the more likely outcome is that because they are both quality footballers is that they just get better and better linking up and that it makes it much more difficult for teams to deal with the threat.

[CentreLine]

I agree that Boyle and Cadden linked really well on the right but for me there was a much greater advantage in having them both on the right. With Cadden there, it allowed Boyle to drift and cause havoc right across the Aberdeen back line. He popped up absolutely everywhere at times but we lost nothing down the right, where Cadden continues to put in those fantastically dangerous crosses. More of that please LJ.

[Pytheas]

I seem to remember hearing Johnson saying he's been specifically coaching the players to work for the cutback from the Byline. He said the chance of scoring from a cutback is about 1 in 5 whereas a deeper cross is less dangerous.

[wookie70]

Cadden arguably had more influence than Boyle. He was absolutely brilliant on Saturday. Assist for Campbell and cross for the 3rd (I think, was maybe Jdh)

One of his best games for Hibs though.

I agree with that. Cadden played very well and I thought Boyle was very quiet. Boyle attracts defenders so I think him driving to the middle with create lots of space for Cadden. Having Campbell moving constantly will create more space too as he is playing in between defenders.

[overdrive]

I think it’s unfair to compare Cadden’s role last season to this season. He mostly played as a wing back in a 3-5-2/3-4-3 formation so was the primary wide threat on the right.

He’s playing in a back 4 this season

[Smartie]

Cadden arguably had more influence than Boyle. He was absolutely brilliant on Saturday. Assist for Campbell and cross for the 3rd (I think, was maybe Jdh)

One of his best games for Hibs though.

Yeah, agreed.

There was also one ball in behind the defence as well that I’d initially thought was Porteous but was Cadden, and we were unlucky not to score from that one too.

We looked very dangerous down our right side, I’m not that bothered about the intricacies of it.

[where'stheslope]

I said on the match thread on Saturday, we needed to play down the wings, to tire them out and stretch them at the back!
When we did this, we then scored by going for the kill straight through the middle.
Playing against 10 men can be hard at times, but done properly we get good results!!!!

[JimBHibees]

I agree with that. Cadden played very well and I thought Boyle was very quiet. Boyle attracts defenders so I think him driving to the middle with create lots of space for Cadden. Having Campbell moving constantly will create more space too as he is playing in between defenders.

Personally thought Boyle was very good too. Think he looks to have more to his bow since coming back imo

[Forza Fred]

Personally thought Boyle was very good too. Think he looks to have more to his bow since coming back imo

I thought both of them played well.

The Sheep were obviously well aware of Martin’s abilities and tried their best to nullify them, as you would expect, but still thought he and Cadden were well worth their wages.

[JimBHibees]

I thought both of them played well.

The Sheep were obviously well aware of Martin’s abilities and tried their best to nullify them, as you would expect, but still thought he and Cadden were well worth their wages.

Yep both were good and a real threat complimented each other well.

[jacomo]

We're starting to see a settled team now and we'll reap the benefits. There are various partnerships all over the pitch where players are still getting used to each other and taking on the manager's tactics. As Johnson said on Saturday, "things are starting to click".

Having Cadden and Boyle together on that flank is a big strength and hopefully they'll only get better.

I do think Cadden's influence last season was overstated anyway. More often than not he was just knocking crosses into space. Having a proper coach this season will make the world of difference.



:agree:

Used to be that if opponents stopped Boyle they stopped Hibs.

Now doubling up on Boyle is a big risk as it creates space for Cadden to drive into. As they get more familiar with each other this threat should only increase.

The right flank looks strong now.

[brog]

:agree:

Used to be that if opponents stopped Boyle they stopped Hibs.

Now doubling up on Boyle is a big risk as it creates space for Cadden to drive into. As they get more familiar with each other this threat should only increase.

The right flank looks strong now.

I'm hoping that Cadden may be called up by Scotland this week.,

[1875Sean]

I'm hoping that Cadden may be called up by Scotland this week.,

Doubt he will called up with Hickey and Ralston there