Three positions

[sadtom]

No it’s not about the much vaunted ‘spine’ of the team but about this Saturdays game.

I assume they will be holding a minute’s applause/silence.

From what I can see/hear there are 3 positions held by our fans.

1. Some will want to join in.

2. Others (from comments I’ve read) will ‘abstain’ by turning up late or going to the concourse.

3. Others will want to register their objections to being forced to show respect for an institution they oppose.
(pretty much where I am)
However this could lead to grief among our fans and could get messy. Would also allow the usual suspects a stick to beat the club/fans with (not that they need one).
Instead for those who do wish to actively show dissent it may be a good idea to hold a silent protest (especially if it’s a minutes applause) by standing and turning our backs?

Thoughts?

However if they try to force a rendition of GSTK down our throats then they can do one…all bets are off.

[Franck Stanton]

Is it really too much to ask for us to stand silent for a whole minute?
Even if you aren't a royalist, let's show some dignity & respect.
Surely not too much to ask.

[MWHIBBIES]

I assume Hibs will not play the English national anthem. That would be mental and would see significant booing from both fans.

Minutes silence should go down without much issue.

[tanfield]

Is it really too much to ask for us to stand silent for a whole minute?
Even if you aren't a royalist, let's show some dignity & respect.
Surely not too much to ask.

Exactly where I am. It's not hard to simply keep quiet for a minute

[sadtom]

Is it really too much to ask for us to stand silent for a whole minute?
Even if you aren't a royalost, let's show some dignity & respect.
Surely not too much to ask.

I’m trying to find a way that to accommodate all 3 positions. You appear to want me to show respect for a person/institution that I do not have any respect for. Quite the opposite, I have nothing but disdain for them.
So yes, it is too much to ask that I go along with the charade of this enforced grieving. However I think a dignified way would be to turn my back. It does not impinge on anyone else thoughts/beliefs nor does it mean that they can bully me for mines.

[Hibzbollah]

The game was postponed last week while rugby and cricket went ahead as normal. We have yet another minutes silence on Sunday at 8pm for those who wish to participate. Why should we have to join yet another 'mark of respect' on Saturday?

[WeeRussell]

I’m trying to find a way that to accommodate all 3 positions. You appear to want me to show respect for a person/institution that I do not have any respect for. Quite the opposite, I have nothing but distain for them.
So yes, it is too much to ask that I go along with the charade of this enforced grieving. However I think a dignified way would be to turn my back. It does not impinge on anyone else thoughts/beliefs nor does it mean that they can bully me for mines.

I’m against the monarchy and I’m not grieving in any way whatsoever. But if there is a silence being held to note the death of a human being who I have no real ill-feeling towards, I’ll observe it as always and you certainly won’t catch me disrupting it. And I’d be pretty disappointed if any hibs fans did.

GSTK on the other hand…. (Wouldn’t happen thankfully)

[Since452]

I wouldn't applaud if that's what happens. I also wouldn't go out my way to boo or disrupt a minutes silence. It really doesn't mean enough to me to do either.

[sadtom]

I’m against the monarchy and I’m not grieving in any way whatsoever. But if there is a silence being held to note the death of a human being who I have no real ill-feeling towards, I’ll observe it as always and you certainly won’t catch me disrupting it. And I’d be pretty disappointed if any hibs fans did.

GSTK on the other hand…. (Wouldn’t happen thankfully)

I understand that. But it’s pretty much the crux of my point. Some folk will absolutely want to register their disapproval/objections not just abstain.
By turning your back it does not disrupt anything but does allow for objection to be noted.

[Franck Stanton]

I’m against the monarchy and I’m not grieving in any way whatsoever. But if there is a silence being held to note the death of a human being who I have no real ill-feeling towards, I’ll observe it as always and you certainly won’t catch me disrupting it. And I’d be pretty disappointed if any hibs fans did.

GSTK on the other hand…. (Wouldn’t happen thankfully)

Exactly, I am not a royalist in any way shape or form, but will stand silently & would hope every one else at the game does likewise. Ok turn your back or whatever , no problems, just whatever you as an individual choose to do, let's not descend to the yams level & have to cut it short. It's only 60 second ffs.

[weecounty hibby]

If it's a minutes silence then I will be late to my seat, if its a minutes applause then I'll be late to my seat. Easy to avoid if you want to. Hopefully if folks don't agree with it then they'll take my course of action rather than disrupting whatever takes place

[wookie70]

I will retire to the concourse. The turning back idea is something I have done on the picket line. If someone I know is scanning it is sometimes more powerful a way to show they are no longer with you. I'd rather anyone who is angry comes to the concourse. I suspect there will be a good few of us you can vent to and not get the club negative press. If they play GSTK then I would hope most would boo. They won't be that stupid though

[wookie70]

The game was postponed last week while rugby and cricket went ahead as normal. All rugby in Scotland was off. Not sure if it is back at the weekend

[AllyRae]

Or simply don't have any tribute, problem solved. Can folk not just mourn, grieve, celebrate, masterbate over the death at home?

[h185forever]

Royalist or not, if we can’t show some respect to a woman who gave 70 years of her life in selfless duty then it says more about us than her or the institution.

She is of generation that knew respect, duty and service, sadly the generations since have seen a steady decline in those aspects of humanity and for me that is reflected in todays’ more selfish society.

I for one will support whatever the club decide, as when all is said and done ….she is someone’s mother and that alone should command respect from all.

[CapitalGreen]

There’ll be a minutes silence and some people will disrupt it. There will be outrage from the usual sources. There’ll be a 20+ page thread on here that’ll eventually be closed or hidden away on the Holy Ground. A couple of days later later everyone will have moved on to their next focus of outrage.

[sadtom]

Or simply don't have any tribute, problem solved. Can folk not just mourn, grieve, celebrate, masterbate over the death at home?
That would be for the best imho.
But I suspect that there will be something.
I can only hope nobody tries to rip the head off it at the game! 😂

[The Harp]

By Saturday it will be nine days since her passing. To my mind, the mark of respect was the postponement of the matches last weekend, I don't see the need for anything further. Surely the wearing of black arm bands by the players, if they so choose, would suffice.

[JimBHibees]

I assume Hibs will not play the English national anthem. That would be mental and would see significant booing from both fans.

Minutes silence should go down without much issue.

It is the British national anthem though?

[JimBHibees]

By Saturday it will be nine days since her passing. To my mind, the mark of respect was the postponement of the matches last weekend, I don't see the need for anything further. Surely the wearing of black arm bands by the players, if they so choose, would suffice.

Tend to agree

[JimBHibees]

Or simply don't have any tribute, problem solved. Can folk not just mourn, grieve, celebrate, masterbate over the death at home?

Glad you added at home to your post was getting worried there :greengrin

[MartinfaePorty]

Number 2 for me. Given the media in the UK, there's no way any show of dissent is going to be portrayed as anything but disrespectful, outrageous, treasonous (insert hyperbole here) and will be spun in such a way that the club will suffer.

[JeMeSouviens]

I think 1 and 2 are enough positions for this. The Hibbies in camp 1 can't do 1 properly and to their satisfaction if others are doing 3. Whereas 2 won't bother them at all.

I don't respect the monarchy but I do respect others' right to respect it if they want.

[Jones28]

I’m trying to find a way that to accommodate all 3 positions. You appear to want me to show respect for a person/institution that I do not have any respect for. Quite the opposite, I have nothing but disdain for them.
So yes, it is too much to ask that I go along with the charade of this enforced grieving. However I think a dignified way would be to turn my back. It does not impinge on anyone else thoughts/beliefs nor does it mean that they can bully me for mines.

Stay on the concourse. Simple as that.

[Scotty Leither]

Unless there’s an edict from the SFA or the Government that we must follow, how about the club do nowt and just get on with the game?

[sadtom]

Stay on the concourse. Simple as that.

As I mentioned, that is for those who wish to abstain. Some would like their objection noted (me for one) but appreciate that not everyone feels that way. Turning my back allows this to be done without disrupting anything and the possible ramifications between fans that might occur.

[Johnny_Leith]

I'd prefer it if it wasn't marked at all. We've already had last week's postponement of games, I see no further acknowledgment required.

If I was the club then that the route I'd go down although I think they'll do a minutes applause and armbands.

[Tug Wilson]

Maybe just stay sat down but remain silent?

That way you are not participating in the minutes silence and registering a protest without actively causing disruption to it.

[Sioux]

As I mentioned, that is for those who wish to abstain. Some would like their objection noted (me for one) but appreciate that not everyone feels that way. Turning my back allows this to be done without disrupting anything and the possible ramifications between fans that might occur.

Why is it important to you that your objection is 'noted'? Noted by whom?

Abstain?? This isn't a vote.

It sounds like you want attention.

[Mike Berry]

Is it really too much to ask for us to stand silent for a whole minute?
Even if you aren't a royalist, let's show some dignity & respect.
Surely not too much to ask.That's pretty much my view. I've no interest in any of it, but all I have to do is be silent for a minute. Not hard, is it?

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[Sir David Gray]

Hopefully everyone going to the game on Saturday falls into either category 1 or 2.

I do expect there to be a minority who are in category 3 though.

[Keith_M]

I'm opposed to the whole concept of Monarchy, and find the constant fawning over them quite sickening TBH, but I'd rather keep any protests away from our game, due to the possible damage to the reputation of our club.

With that in mind, I'm going to just wait in the concourse until the silence is finished and then go to my seat.

[Since452]

Silences won't go well up and down the country. Tynecastle during the week will be repeated.

[JeMeSouviens]

Silences won't go well up and down the country. Tynecastle during the week will be repeated.

Seemingly the problem at Tiny was the usual suspects in section N started singing GSTQ in the middle of the silence and that's what prompted the booing. Can't see that happening anywhere else?

[Ringothedog]

Seemingly the problem at Tiny was the usual suspects in section N started singing GSTQ in the middle of the silence and that's what prompted the booing. Can't see that happening anywhere else?

They only started singing GSTQ after someone shouted FTQ

[Vini1875]

Minutes silence is simply asking to be disrupted. I would be for disrupting it. I don't think the monarchy deserve respect and I would be horrified if Hibs played GTSQ over the tannoy. To me this whole thing is the ruling class flexing their muscles over the plebs and unfortunately there are still plenty of folk willing to fall in line.

I'm sure I remember something similar when the queen mum died and I just sat down and abstained.

Best thing Hibs can do is not hold one at all. I think there will be many disruptions at grounds all over Scotland and Liverpool.

[H18S NX]

Royalist or not, if we can’t show some respect to a woman who gave 70 years of her life in selfless duty then it says more about us than her or the institution.

She is of generation that knew respect, duty and service, sadly the generations since have seen a steady decline in those aspects of humanity and for me that is reflected in todays’ more selfish society.

I for one will support whatever the club decide, as when all is said and done ….she is someone’s mother and that alone should command respect from all....Well said m8.Respect is everything.

[Hibiza]

Minutes silence is simply asking to be disrupted. I would be for disrupting it. I don't think the monarchy deserve respect and I would be horrified if Hibs played GTSQ over the tannoy. To me this whole thing is the ruling class flexing their muscles over the plebs and unfortunately there are still plenty of folk willing to fall in line.

I'm sure I remember something similar when the queen mum died and I just sat down and abstained.

Best thing Hibs can do is not hold one at all. I think there will be many disruptions at grounds all over Scotland and Liverpool.

Be a silence from me but if there's a GSTQ anthem , I'm off.

[AllyRae]

That would be for the best imho.
But I suspect that there will be something.
I can only hope nobody tries to rip the head off it at the game! 😂

Aye, the likes hasn't been seen since the 2016 final 😂😂

[Broken Gnome]

Everyone can calm down with whatever action they're threatening should the anthem be played, surely.

There's no way they're airing GSTK.

Surely.

[greenflyer]

Silence for a minute can mean many things.
Anyone who watched the procession up the Royal Mile would be impressed by the way Edinburgh dealt with the situation.
If not seen, a replay on iplayer should do it.

Respect or honour is not necessary for a quiet moment collectively to reflect on one's own perspective and think about the exceptional endurance of support for Edinburgh Hibernian Football Club.

Age shall not weary them......

[Tommy75]

Perhaps those who wish to register their objections write to the club instead of publicly embarrassing themselves and the club.

60 seconds of silence (or waiting in the concourse) is all that is required for those who do not wish to partake. Folk are anti-monarchy that is no secret and anybody has the right to that view, but are fans genuinely going to use a minutes silence of the Queens death to voice their anti-monarchy views? If you are an ardent Republican to the point you would (I'll say it again) embarrass the club what do you do the rest of the time, write/sign petitions, write to MPs, attend marches?

[lucky]

How many people have said on here that we should keep politics out of football? I’m no supporter of the monarchy but I have more respect for fellow fans who may wish to show their respect by booing or disrupting a minutes silence for a 96 year mother, grandmother great grandmother. We always claim there’s 1st class and there is Hibs class, why don’t we show it on Saturday.

[sadtom]

Why is it important to you that your objection is 'noted'? Noted by whom?

Abstain?? This isn't a vote.

It sounds like you want attention.

You could say exactly the same for all those wanting the ‘moment’ to be marked and of those that want to observe it.

I am a republican and have nothing but contempt for the institution and the individuals. If I have the opportunity to show my objection I will take it. If it’s being broadcast round the country I would not want anyone to think we were all just grovelling peasants.

Abstain. Since when was the word solely related to voting???
Alcoholics ‘abstain’ from drinking. Some folk would appear to ‘abstain’ from thinking.

If I really ‘wanted attention’ as you put it then I’d be advocating a lot more than registering my disapproval by turning my back. Or is that not easy enough to work out?

[Iain G]

You could say exactly the same for all those wanting the ‘moment’ to be marked and of those that want to observe it.

I am a republican and have nothing but contempt for the institution and the individuals. If I have the opportunity to show my objection I will take it. If it’s being broadcast round the country I would not want anyone to think we were all just grovelling peasants.

Abstain. Since when was the word solely related to voting???
Alcoholics ‘abstain’ from drinking. Some folk would appear to ‘abstain’ from thinking.

If I really ‘wanted attention’ as you put it then I’d be advocating a lot more than registering my disapproval by turning my back. Or is that not easy enough to work out?

It's not the 15th century ffs!

If people can't manage to keep quiet for 60 seconds they should go take a dump as a mark of objection.

[sadtom]

It's not the 15th century ffs!

If people can't manage to keep quiet for 60 seconds they should go take a dump as a mark of objection.

Yeah you’re right, it’s not the 15th century but here we are with a living anachronism more suited to that age.

I am perfectly capable of staying silent for 60 seconds…but you appear to miss the point. If I am being confronted with an attempt to show respect for something I have no respect for then I could ignore it or comply…I would like the opportunity to do neither. I would like to show my disapproval. That is my choice and I don’t want the world or whoever is watching to think we are all hand wringing, simpering plebs.
So how do you suggest I go about showing that…should I boo? Which may lead to bother in the stands, or should I mark the moment with the non verbal demonstration of dissent that I have suggested?

I would much rather that there is no ‘tribute’ and nothing needs done.

[SChibs]

In my eyes the Royal Family symbolises the huge and expanding wealth gap in this country. I'll enter the stadium after the minutes silence is finished

[Iain G]

Yeah you’re right, it’s not the 15th century but here we are with a living anachronism more suited to that age.

I am perfectly capable of staying silent for 60 seconds…but you appear to miss the point. If I am being confronted with an attempt to show respect for something I have no respect for then I could ignore it or comply…I would like the opportunity to do neither. I would like to show my disapproval. That is my choice and I don’t want the world or whoever is watching to think we are all hand wringing, simpering plebs.
So how do you suggest I go about showing that…should I boo? Which may lead to bother in the stands, or should I mark the moment with the non verbal demonstration of dissent that I have suggested?

I would much rather that there is no ‘tribute’ and nothing needs done.

Sit on your hands and shove a pie in your gob?! Don't ask me, I would turn up after it is done and you can ignore it completely and pretend the general public aren't actually interested in marking the respect of her as a human being who has don't a lot for this country in her own way 🤷🏻*♂️

[sadtom]

Sit on your hands and shove a pie in your gob?! Don't ask me, I would turn up after it is done and you can ignore it completely and pretend the general public aren't actually interested in marking the respect of her as a human being who has don't a lot for this country in her own way ����*♂️

You really aren’t getting this are you?
If I am being confronted with this I don’t want to ignore it. I would like to object. So how should I show my objection?
The lumpen simpleton’s can do what the hell they want. I refuse to buy into any of that nonsense.

Again, I would much rather that it is not pushed on us.

[CropleyWasGod]

You really aren’t getting this are you?
If I am being confronted with this I don’t want to ignore it. I would like to object. So how should I show my objection?
The lumpen simpleton’s can do what the hell they want. I refuse to buy into any of that nonsense.

Again, I would much rather that it is not pushed on us.

Stand outside with a placard? To protect yourself, not a sweary one.

[sadtom]

Stand outside with a placard? To protect yourself, not a sweary one.

It’s not happening outside. Maybe I should take a placard inside. 😉

[Mon Dieu4]

Think I will keep out the way until it's over, I wouldn't have an issue with anyone else doing what they want though, it's up the them

[Iain G]

You really aren’t getting this are you?
If I am being confronted with this I don’t want to ignore it. I would like to object. So how should I show my objection?
The lumpen simpleton’s can do what the hell they want. I refuse to buy into any of that nonsense.

Again, I would much rather that it is not pushed on us.

Why can't you just ignore it? It's hardly going to kill you is it? And nice touch calling anyone who may have some interest, humanity, sympathy and want to show some mark of respect as simpletons as they don't have your fervent views? Classy.

[DH1875]

How many will Aberdeen bring, about 2k? Can't see them all joining in on a minutes silence.
*Not a chance GSTK is being sang at ER.

[Eyrie]

Positions one and two are equally acceptable depending on whether you want to acknowledge or object respectively.

But position three is a selfish attempt to ignore the valid opinions of others by being deliberately disruptive. Symptomatic of the problems with modern life where everyone wants to have rights without any responsibility.

[sadtom]

Why can't you just ignore it? It's hardly going to kill you is it? And nice touch calling anyone who may have some interest, humanity, sympathy and want to show some mark of respect as simpletons as they don't have your fervent views? Classy.

Should I try to draw a picture or something?
I am not going to make an issue of this if nothing is happening.
If I/we are having this foisted upon us then I don’t want to ignore it. Doing nowt is tantamount to consent. I do not consent and would like to show that. Is that so hard to understand?

It does strike me that this is similar to when people demonstrate and riots break out. The nodding dogs trot out the usual blurb ‘why can’t they demonstrate peacefully?’ But then when folk do demonstrate peacefully (taking the knee for example) then the narrative suddenly changes.

I am not trying to organise a rebellion in isolation. I have proposed an option for peaceful dissent which does not impinge on others actions…yet still some get their panties in a pickle.

[DH1875]

Some of the big retail companies starting to come out and say they closing on the 19th for the day. Better start boycotting them, imagine not letting you go shopping 🙄

[Northernhibee]

Why can't you just ignore it? It's hardly going to kill you is it? And nice touch calling anyone who may have some interest, humanity, sympathy and want to show some mark of respect as simpletons as they don't have your fervent views? Classy.
Tbf there’s a complete lack of class shown from some on here. Nobody is being asked to respect the concept of monarchy. They’re being asked to be quiet for sixty seconds to mark the death of someone. There is the opportunity to wait in the concourse if you don’t want to be a part of that, with your empty seat being an objection.

There are some however who think that having the right to object means that absolutely everyone must absolutely know about it, irrelevant of consequence, offense potentially caused to those who do care about it and reputational damage to the club and support overall.

I would prefer the monarchy to be dissolved, I don’t see the point of it but I’ll observe the minutes silence just like I have with the silences for all the other people I’ve never met but will show respect for their passing as a human being.

[Iain G]

Should I try to draw a picture or something?
I am not going to make an issue of this if nothing is happening.
If I/we are having this foisted upon us then I don’t want to ignore it. Doing nowt is tantamount to consent. I do not consent and would like to show that. Is that so hard to understand?

It does strike me that this is similar to when people demonstrate and riots break out. The nodding dogs trot out the usual blurb ‘why can’t they demonstrate peacefully?’ But then when folk do demonstrate peacefully (taking the knee for example) then the narrative suddenly changes.

I am not trying to organise a rebellion in isolation. I have proposed an option for peaceful dissent which does not impinge on others actions…yet still some get their panties in a pickle.

This is **** all to do with riots and you know that and are being disengenuous evening comparing the two things! This is staying silent for 1 minute of your life as a mark of respect for a public figure who has died. Thats it! Not a crusade or a reason for you to get on your soapbox like some toddler having a tantrum.

Sometimes it's possible to stay classy and just be a nice human being?

[hibee-boys]

Tbf there’s a complete lack of class shown from some on here. Nobody is being asked to respect the concept of monarchy. They’re being asked to be quiet for sixty seconds to mark the death of someone. There is the opportunity to wait in the concourse if you don’t want to be a part of that, with your empty seat being an objection.

There are some however who think that having the right to object means that absolutely everyone must absolutely know about it, irrelevant of consequence, offense potentially caused to those who do care about it and reputational damage to the club and support overall.

I would prefer the monarchy to be dissolved, I don’t see the point of it but I’ll observe the minutes silence just like I have with the silences for all the other people I’ve never met but will show respect for their passing as a human being.

Spot on👏

[sadtom]

This is **** all to do with riots and you know that and are being disengenuous evening comparing the two things! This is staying silent for 1 minute of your life as a mark of respect for a public figure who has died. Thats it! Not a crusade or a reason for you to get on your soapbox like some toddler having a tantrum.

Sometimes it's possible to stay classy and just be a nice human being?

Wow. What drivel. It is a perfectly valid comparison. I have suggested a peaceful way to object to this enforced grieving. But you would think that I have advocated violent insurrection.
A nice human? Like the racist, greedy, car crashing, criminal cover up, nazi saluting, nonce protecting Windsors? 😂
Their old mucker Jimmy Saville must be gutted that he’s not still alive to offer his services ‘protecting’ the body.

[Rumble de Thump]

Wow. What drivel. It is a perfectly valid comparison. I have suggested a peaceful way to object to this enforced grieving. But you would think that I have advocated violent insurrection.
A nice human? Like the racist, greedy, car crashing, criminal cover up, nazi saluting, nonce protecting Windsors? 😂
Their old mucker Jimmy Saville must be gutted that he’s not still alive to offer his services ‘protecting’ the body.

Nobody is forcing you to grieve.

[1van Sprou7e]

Lots of people saying it's classless to boo a minutes silence, if that's your opinion then fair enough but i disagree

First of all I think it's disingenuous to say it's "just a minutes silence". It's clearly not just that, we've been forced into a period of mourning in which we have faced disruption which has not been insignificant.

Large parts of the city centre on lockdown, thousands of hospital appointments cancelled and we already had a a week's worth of football cancelled which alone left hundreds of thousands of poor people out of pocket. I can only speak for myself but I find this to be insane for a person who none of us even knew. So it's not just a minutes silence, but a minutes silence would give people like me an opportunity to show their disapproval for this farce

Secondly, it's not as simple as "showing respect for a dead human being". Like it or not she was a horrible person who benefited from extensive exploitation of impoverished innocents both at home and in almost every corner of the planet. Someone who lobbied our government in order to protect her wealth, then using that same wealth to make sure a sex offender gets off scot free.

Someone like this deserves zero respect in my humble opinion. Would I stand in silence for someone like Jeff bezos or Elon musk or some Saudi prince? Of course not so why should it be different for the queen?

I just think people should have more respect for themselves and their fellow proletariat

Rejecting this forced support of the very people who exploit us is something which should be applauded, not dismissed as "lacking class"

[e2los]

I'm surprised by the amount of posters who think a minutes silence for the end of the monarchy is appropriate.

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[tamig]

Royalist or not, if we can’t show some respect to a woman who gave 70 years of her life in selfless duty then it says more about us than her or the institution.

She is of generation that knew respect, duty and service, sadly the generations since have seen a steady decline in those aspects of humanity and for me that is reflected in todays’ more selfish society.

I for one will support whatever the club decide, as when all is said and done ….she is someone’s mother and that alone should command respect from all.

Well said sir.

[e2los]

It is the British national anthem though?

Lord grant that Marshal Wade, May by thy mighty aid, Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush, God Save the King.

Yes it is the anthem.

[hibsbollah]

a minutes silence for the end of the monarchy



:cheers: I’ll drink to that.

[tamig]

Should I try to draw a picture or something?
I am not going to make an issue of this if nothing is happening.
If I/we are having this foisted upon us then I don’t want to ignore it. Doing nowt is tantamount to consent. I do not consent and would like to show that. Is that so hard to understand?

It does strike me that this is similar to when people demonstrate and riots break out. The nodding dogs trot out the usual blurb ‘why can’t they demonstrate peacefully?’ But then when folk do demonstrate peacefully (taking the knee for example) then the narrative suddenly changes.

I am not trying to organise a rebellion in isolation. I have proposed an option for peaceful dissent which does not impinge on others actions…yet still some get their panties in a pickle.

Why don’t you think about the Club rather than yourself? Turn your back by all means if that’s what floats your boat. Some of your comments directed at folk who have nothing more than a bit of decency about them are disgraceful.

[Northernhibee]

Lord grant that Marshal Wade, May by thy mighty aid, Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush, God Save the King.

Yes it is the anthem.
That was never an official verse of the national anthem. It may have been sung during Jacobite times and indeed may have been sung by some Scots who disagreed with the rebellion, but that verse was never part of the official British national anthem.

There are hundreds of reasons why Scotland should be independent, there’s hundreds of good reasons we would be better without a monarchy, that simply isn’t one of them.

Indeed it’s also not a reason as to why anyone may disrupt a minutes silence.

[JammyDoidger]

I can stay silent for a minute. But if the English national anthem gets played I'll be turning my back whilst booing.

[Brightside]

Respect has been shown multiple times already. We dont need to do it at every single event.

[basehibby]

No it’s not about the much vaunted ‘spine’ of the team but about this Saturdays game.

I assume they will be holding a minute’s applause/silence.

From what I can see/hear there are 3 positions held by our fans.

1. Some will want to join in.

2. Others (from comments I’ve read) will ‘abstain’ by turning up late or going to the concourse.

3. Others will want to register their objections to being forced to show respect for an institution they oppose.
(pretty much where I am)
However this could lead to grief among our fans and could get messy. Would also allow the usual suspects a stick to beat the club/fans with (not that they need one).
Instead for those who do wish to actively show dissent it may be a good idea to hold a silent protest (especially if it’s a minutes applause) by standing and turning our backs?

Thoughts?

However if they try to force a rendition of GSTK down our throats then they can do one…all bets are off.

I'd you want to protest a minutes silence why not just turn your back on it?
May be picked up by cameras - or not. Much more dignified than booing.

[easty]

I can stay silent for a minute. But if the English national anthem gets played I'll be turning my back whilst booing.

It'd almost be worth it for them to play the English national anthem, just so they can see how badly it goes down.

Thankfully, there's nae way it'll be played.

[Iain G]

It'd almost be worth it for them to play the English national anthem, just so they can see how badly it goes down.

Thankfully, there's nae way it'll be played.

Assume you mean the British national anthem? 🤷🏻

[easty]

Assume you mean the British national anthem? 🤷🏻

It's both isn't it? So calling it the English national anthem is just as correct?

[Jones28]

As I mentioned, that is for those who wish to abstain. Some would like their objection noted (me for one) but appreciate that not everyone feels that way. Turning my back allows this to be done without disrupting anything and the possible ramifications between fans that might occur.

So why choose a football game to do it? If you feel so strongly then surely your objection would be far more notable if you did it at, say, a protest on the royal mile rather than at a non-televised football match?

I am in no way pro monarchy, but I think I could steal myself for 60 seconds to keep my mouth shut.

[Since452]

It's only Tuesday and people are already getting tired of this constantly being rammed down our throats. By Saturday, patience will be wearing thin. People will have had a few pints and opinions will be getting aired. Not sure any silence for an extremely wealthy, privellaged, 96 year old royal will go down well at all. Certianly not during a cost of living crisis.

[CapitalGreen]

So why choose a football game to do it? If you feel so strongly then surely your objection would be far more notable if you did it at, say, a protest on the royal mile rather than at a non-televised football match?

I am in no way pro monarchy, but I think I could steal myself for 60 seconds to keep my mouth shut.

Why choose a football game to do it? If you feel so strongly then surely your moment of silence would be far more notable if you did it at, say, a funeral cortege on the royal mile rather than at a non-televised football match?

[1van Sprou7e]

So why choose a football game to do it? If you feel so strongly then surely your objection would be far more notable if you did it at, say, a protest on the royal mile rather than at a non-televised football match?

I am in no way pro monarchy, but I think I could steal myself for 60 seconds to keep my mouth shut.

Is that a serious question? Not everyone has the ability to take time out of their working day to fight through crowds for a protest which would ultimately end in getting arrested.

[jacomo]

I’m trying to find a way that to accommodate all 3 positions. You appear to want me to show respect for a person/institution that I do not have any respect for. Quite the opposite, I have nothing but disdain for them.
So yes, it is too much to ask that I go along with the charade of this enforced grieving. However I think a dignified way would be to turn my back. It does not impinge on anyone else thoughts/beliefs nor does it mean that they can bully me for mines.


Do you have respect for fellow Hibs fans who may hold a different opinion to you? Yes or no?

If yes, keep your gob shut out of respect for them.

I am a republican by instinct (although terrified at who the UK would elect as head of state if given the choice… President Farage anyone?)

The cause of republicanism will be advanced not an inch by booing the Queen. It simply shows a breathtaking inability to read the room.

Interestingly, Ireland is currently flying the tricolour at half mast in many locations. If they can do it, I am sure you can also take a pause in noisy objections to the monarchy.

Keep quiet, turn up late if you must. Turning your back seems fine to me. Trust me these are your best options.

[1van Sprou7e]

Do you have respect for fellow Hibs fans who may hold a different opinion to you? Yes or no?

If yes, keep your gob shut out of respect for them.

I am a republican by instinct (although terrified at who the UK would elect as head of state if given the choice… President Farage anyone?)

The cause of republicanism will be advanced not an inch by booing the Queen. It simply shows a breathtaking inability to read the room.

Interestingly, Ireland is currently flying the tricolour at half mast in many locations. If they can do it, I am sure you can also take a pause in noisy objections to the monarchy.

Keep quiet, turn up late if you must. Turning your back seems fine to me. Trust me these are your best options.

You're a republican yet you'll be offended by people booing?

[The Captain....]

Best imo just to ignore any minutes silence and wait till its over/or arrive after it.

I have no time for the grief porn of the sycophantic forelock tuggers competing to show their 'respect' but would prefer the whole thing passes off with as little carry on as possible.

Can't wait till this whole charade is over.

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[WeeRussell]

You're a republican yet you'll be offended by people booing?

Entirely plausible.

[oneone73]

It's to be a minute's applause
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/preview-aberdeen-h-1

[Tommy75]

You're a republican yet you'll be offended by people booing?

Perfectly plausible that he/she is a republican but willing to show a bit of respect.

[1van Sprou7e]

Perfectly plausible that he/she is a republican but willing to show a bit of respect.

100%, just don't agree with the idea that other people shouldn't be allowed to show their discontent

[Lago]

Wow. What drivel. It is a perfectly valid comparison. I have suggested a peaceful way to object to this enforced grieving. But you would think that I have advocated violent insurrection.
A nice human? Like the racist, greedy, car crashing, criminal cover up, nazi saluting, nonce protecting Windsors? 😂
Their old mucker Jimmy Saville must be gutted that he’s not still alive to offer his services ‘protecting’ the body.
You've exposed your real thinking.

[Jones28]

Is that a serious question? Not everyone has the ability to take time out of their working day to fight through crowds for a protest which would ultimately end in getting arrested.

I just hope all the people who shout FTK or similar are not the same people who were laughing at how farcical the minutes silence at Tynecastle was the other night.

[Jones28]

Why choose a football game to do it? If you feel so strongly then surely your moment of silence would be far more notable if you did it at, say, a funeral cortege on the royal mile rather than at a non-televised football match?

The difference being its something that reflects poorly on the club if people shout out and are disrespectful.

[sadtom]

I'd you want to protest a minutes silence why not just turn your back on it?
May be picked up by cameras - or not. Much more dignified than booing.

That is exactly what I suggested. Please re read what I posted.
The whole point of my post was to try to prevent it getting messy if people did boo.
What I suggested was to give an opportunity for folk to register their disapproval without resorting to booing which also allows those who wish to mark it free to do so.

The only time I inferred that I would boo is if they played gstk.

[sadtom]

So why choose a football game to do it? If you feel so strongly then surely your objection would be far more notable if you did it at, say, a protest on the royal mile rather than at a non-televised football match?

I am in no way pro monarchy, but I think I could steal myself for 60 seconds to keep my mouth shut.


Over the years I have supported numerous pro republican events and will likely do so in the future.
I have avoided all the current shenanigans and let folk get on with it.
However they (the authorities/SPFL/Hibs) are bringing this to an event that I am attending, it’s not my choice, I’d rather they didn’t. So I would want to take the opportunity to dissent that does not interfere with the choices of other.

[easty]

I just hope all the people who shout FTK or similar are not the same people who were laughing at how farcical the minutes silence at Tynecastle was the other night.

Why?

Can't you laugh at the disharmony around the farce that is the faux-royal family love in at one teams stadium, then hope it happens at yours?

[sadtom]

Do you have respect for fellow Hibs fans who may hold a different opinion to you? Yes or no?

If yes, keep your gob shut out of respect for them.

I am a republican by instinct (although terrified at who the UK would elect as head of state if given the choice… President Farage anyone?)

The cause of republicanism will be advanced not an inch by booing the Queen. It simply shows a breathtaking inability to read the room.

Interestingly, Ireland is currently flying the tricolour at half mast in many locations. If they can do it, I am sure you can also take a pause in noisy objections to the monarchy.

Keep quiet, turn up late if you must. Turning your back seems fine to me. Trust me these are your best options.

I really am not sure if folk are reading my post correctly or are deliberately misrepresenting what I said.
There are 3 positions.
1. If people chose to mark the silence/applause then they are supporting it or giving their consent.
2. If folk chose to turn up late, or move to the concourse. Then they are effectively ‘abstaining’. By neither taking part or objecting they are adopting a neutral position.
3. There are others who would wish to show their objection (me for one) if this is force fed to us. What I have suggested all along is an option that would accommodate all 3 positions and hopefully prevent any bother between Hibbys.

I have not said at any point that I would open my ‘gob’ (other than if they play gstk). Exactly the opposite, I have put forward a suggestion that would let those who wanted to dissent the chance to do so in a dignified manner that does not disrespect or interfere with those who hold a different opinion to me.

The real intolerance that is being shown is from those who do not think others should be allowed to register their disapproval. I do not support it and I do not want to hide away either. I would prefer to show my dissent in a manner that does not interfere with others and hopefully avoid trouble.

Perhaps you should actually read my posts before opening your ‘gob’?

[KeithTheHibby]

The game was postponed last week while rugby and cricket went ahead as normal. We have yet another minutes silence on Sunday at 8pm for those who wish to participate. Why should we have to join yet another 'mark of respect' on Saturday?

How do you have to join in exactly?!

[sadtom]

You've exposed your real thinking.

Eh!?
I have hidden nothing. I despise the monarchy and all the toadying deference shown to them. And made that clear from the start.
All I have tried to do is put forward a solution that would allow everyone to do as they please 1. consent/support. 2. Avoid. 3. Or dissent but in a manner that allows all 3 positions to be represented without interfering with other and keeping potential conflict to a minimum.
Sheesh. It’s not hard to understand.

It has been posted that it’s a minutes applause.
I will be at my seat. Silent. With my back turned.
Anyone who would wish to join me, please do so.

[Jones28]

Eh!?
I have hidden nothing. I despise the monarchy and all the toadying deference shown to them. And made that clear from the start.
All I have tried to do is put forward a solution that would allow everyone to do as they please 1. consent/support. 2. Avoid. 3. Or dissent but in a manner that allows all 3 positions to be represented without interfering with other and keeping potential conflict to a minimum.
Sheesh. It’s not hard to understand.

It has been posted that it’s a minutes applause.
I will be at my seat. Silent. With my back turned.
Anyone who would wish to join me, please do so.

How are you going to sit down and turn your back at the same time?

[grunt]

Whenever people talk about turning their backs as a form of disrespect I am reminded of the Farage & UKIP MEP contingent being completely and utterly pathetic in the European Parliament and looking for all like silly immature badly behaved little children.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/07/02/09/ode.jpg?quality=75&width=1200&auto=webp

[sadtom]

How are you going to sit down and turn your back at the same time?
Sorry I didn’t mean to mock. You clearly do have literacy issues.
I said I will ‘be at my seat’ said nowt about sitting down.
Could I recommend Sesame Street?

[sadtom]

Whenever people talk about turning their backs as a form of disrespect I am reminded of the Farage & UKIP MEP contingent being completely and utterly pathetic in the European Parliament and looking for all like silly immature badly behaved little children.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/07/02/09/ode.jpg?quality=75&width=1200&auto=webp

People have turned their backs as a form of protest long before any of the ukip phannies were ever sh@t into existence.
The fact that you recall it (whatever you think of you the action) is absolute proof that it can be effective in registering objection. You prove the point.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Can't wait to get back to the football at ER. Let's get on with the game - my hope to whatever form the signing section takes now would be to let this pass without incident and leave this to one side throughout the game completely.

[WeeRussell]

People have turned their backs as a form of protest long before any of the ukip phannies were ever sh@t into existence.
The fact that you recall it (whatever you think of you the action) is absolute proof that it can be effective in registering objection. You prove the point.

Out of interest, can I ask if you've ever turned your back on a silence, or indeed signalled your objection or disrespect for a tribute, at the football before? And if so, who was it for?

[DH1875]

Ive taken part in many a minutes silence and minutes applause over the years. A lot of them at ER were for folk I didn't know or had never met. I didn't do it for their political views or what they stood for. I done it as a moment of respect because someone had lost their life. You have people from parties like Sinn Fein passing on their condolences their respects and who will be at the funeral. I would have taken part in a minutes silence not because she was the queen but because someone had passed away. Like I said earlier, Ive done it for plenty of others at the football.
Ally McCoist mum has passed away. If we were playing them at the weekend and they asked for a minutes silence you'd all but guarantee it would pass without incident yet because its the queen its all of a sudden a no no. A queen who like ive also said before would have still have been the queen of an independent Scotland. I just don't get it.

[WeeRussell]

Sorry I didn’t mean to mock. You clearly do have literacy issues.
I said I will ‘be at my seat’ said nowt about sitting down.
Could I recommend Sesame Street?

I think Oscar T Grouch might have something to say about this.

[grunt]

The fact that you recall it (whatever you think of you the action) is absolute proof that it can be effective in registering objection. You prove the point.I remember it because it made me realise how pathetic UKIP were. It is because of what I think of the action that I remember it. You've got it the wrong way round. Quite appropriate really.

[sadtom]

Out of interest, can I ask if you've ever turned your back on a silence, or indeed signalled your objection or disrespect for a tribute, at the football before? And if so, who was it for?
Turned my back for Mercer. Can’t recall if I have done so for any other. Would likely have been tempted for Queen mum and pope but I suspect I wasn’t in on time. (Timekeeping is not my strong suit! ��).
Mostly all others tributes are for fans or players and managers, none of which are in the same ballpark. I am not impacted by any of those people in the same way as the ongoing anachronism that is the monarchy.
Goram the keeper was great but Goram the orange bigot was odious. I did not turn my back for him but stood and remained silent.

Having legitimate hatred for figureheads like the queen/pope etc is worlds apart from not liking an opposition player/manager. They don’t compare…with the notable exception that was the FTB obviously. Would always give a round of applause or stayed silent, whatever was being requested for ordinary run of the mill people, whether I was a fan or not.

I can’t think of any other potentially contentious tributes.
Would have been hilarious if they had suggested it for Th*tcher. Back turning or booing would not have come close to matching my response if they had.

[sadtom]

I remember it because it made me realise how pathetic UKIP were. It is because of what I think of the action that I remember it. You've got it the wrong way round. Quite appropriate really.
But you remembered it…job done.

[grunt]

But you remembered it…job done.
I remember that UKIP that day showed themselves to be pathetic immature little creeps who either did not know how or had not been brought up to show respect. So yes, I guess that was job done.

[Mick O'Rourke]

It is the British national anthem though?

Some history books say it was first sung/played in London for English King,George the second, when news of the Battle of Prestonpans v Bonnie Prince Charlie's army,reached the English capital.

I dont think its sentiment then had Scotland in mind :greengrin

Those pesky Scots at it again !
What are they like !

I read sevco supporters clubs are requesting anthem song sheets,so as to learn the new words in time for next prom at ibrox :greengrin

[sadtom]

I remember that UKIP that day showed themselves to be pathetic immature little creeps who either did not know how or had not been brought up to show respect. So yes, I guess that was job done.
UKIP are pathetic creeps for the crap they espouse, them turning their backs shouldn’t be why you correctly come to that conclusion.
Many others have done the same or similar before and since.
CK taking a knee at the gridiron and the black power salutes on the Olympic podium are other examples of peaceful, non verbal protest that have had great effect and stayed in the human consciousness.
Not that I am suggesting for a second that a few thousand or few hundred Hibs fans turning their backs is in anyway close to those events.

What would you suggest is a way to show peaceful dissent when you are being confronted with something that you wish to object to? (Hiding in the concourse is not a way of expressing disapproval, it’s doing neither).

[WeeRussell]

Turned my back for Mercer. Can’t recall if I have done so for any other. Would likely have been tempted for Queen mum and pope but I suspect I wasn’t in on time. (Timekeeping is not my strong suit! ��).
Mostly all others tributes are for fans or players and managers, none of which are in the same ballpark. I am not impacted by any of those people in the same way as the ongoing anachronism that is the monarchy.
Goram the keeper was great but Goram the orange bigot was odious. I did not turn my back for him but stood and remained silent.

Having legitimate hatred for figureheads like the queen/pope etc is worlds apart from not liking an opposition player/manager. They don’t compare…with the notable exception that was the FTB obviously. Would always give a round of applause or stayed silent, whatever was being requested for ordinary run of the mill people, whether I was a fan or not.

I can’t think of any other potentially contentious tributes.
Would have been hilarious if they had suggested it for Th*tcher. Back turning or booing would not have come close to matching my response if they had.

Fair enough - I actually do understand your general point of view. And do share your sentiment on the monarchy.

However I think your statement re Goram can sort of be replicated for some of our stances. I didn't or don't have any real strong hatred for the Queen as a human being. So, despite my feelings on her and her family's positions, I would observe a tribute being given for someone's passing same as I would for every other one I have at Easter Rd.

[ozwoody]

Over the years I have supported numerous pro republican events and will likely do so in the future.
I have avoided all the current shenanigans and let folk get on with it.
However they (the authorities/SPFL/Hibs) are bringing this to an event that I am attending, it’s not my choice, I’d rather they didn’t. So I would want to take the opportunity to dissent that does not interfere with the choices of other.

So don't attend.
If you know they are planning something you don't agree with, don't go

[sadtom]

Fair enough - I actually do understand your general point of view. And do share your sentiment on the monarchy.

However I think your statement re Goram can sort of be replicated for some of our stances. I didn't or don't have any real strong hatred for the Queen as a human being. So, despite my feelings on her and her family's positions, I would observe a tribute being given for someone's passing same as I would for every other one I have at Easter Rd.

I find it hard to separate the person from the position re the Queen.
My main objection is without doubt to the position (and my rationale for wanting to object to the idea that the whole nation are wringing their hands in despair at her death) But I also can’t help but recognise that it was one of the last acts of the person, who used her position, to silence a victim and protect her nonce son. I have no respect for the position or the person.
However I do understand that she was a mother, a grandmother and a loving wife to her cousin. :wink:

[grunt]

What would you suggest is a way to show peaceful dissent when you are being confronted with something that you wish to object to? (Hiding in the concourse is not a way of expressing disapproval, it’s doing neither).
Again, I think you're looking at this the wrong way. You don't simply want to show peaceful dissent - you want people to see that you are showing dissent.

If you really just wanted to not take part in the minute's applause (let's remember, that's a whole 60 long seconds), you would stay in the concourse and avoid it.

But no, you want to go further and let other people know how strongly you object to this show of respect.

Well fine, go ahead and make your silly protest. But do it in the knowledge that you risk upsetting those around you who do want to show their respect, and you also risk bringing criticism on the club if the behaviour of people like yourself is reported on and used as an opportunity to knock Hibs. We all know how quick the media are to highlight any perceived negative Hibs related story.

It's a free country (at the moment). So you do whatever you feel you have to in order to get through the minute.

[sadtom]

So don't attend.
If you know they are planning something you don't agree with, don't go
Jesus wept!!! Have you read any of the comments?
I am going to the game using my season ticket. I am not going to be bullied into not attending.
If there was nothing marking her death I would not be organising a protest.
Others are forcing this my direction, it is not my choice. I am not going to hide from it either.
All I want to do is find some way of expressing my objection without causing conflict and out of respect for other fans I would like to do that in a manner that does not intrude on their wishes or actions, no matter how misguided or downright foolish that I think they are.

[ozwoody]

I find it hard to separate the person from the position re the Queen.
My main objection is without doubt to the position (and my rationale for wanting to object to the idea that the whole nation are wringing their hands in despair at her death) But I also can’t help but recognise that it was one of the last acts of the person, who used her position, to silence a victim and protect her nonce son. I have no respect for the position or the person.
However I do understand that she was a mother, a grandmother and a loving wife to her cousin. :wink:

Used her position? Didn't the victim have to agree to a settlement? I would suggest it was lawyers negotiating a deal, as happens every day in every courtroom throughout the world, unless Lizzy was there shining a lamp in the girls face.
Is Andrew a nonce? Imo of course, but to say the Queen silenced anyone is a bit far fetched

[Jones28]

Sorry I didn’t mean to mock. You clearly do have literacy issues.
I said I will ‘be at my seat’ said nowt about sitting down.
Could I recommend Sesame Street?

😂

Actually I can do one better and just re read all your posts.

What a wonderful friendship we could have developed if you only had a mild sense of humour. Ah well sadtom, I will leave you to it. Enjoy the coverage you won’t receive for your one man protest.

[ozwoody]

Jesus wept!!! Have you read any of the comments?
I am going to the game using my season ticket. I am not going to be bullied into not attending.
If there was nothing marking her death I would not be organising a protest.
Others are forcing this my direction, it is not my choice. I am not going to hide from it either.
All I want to do is find some way of expressing my objection without causing conflict and out of respect for other fans I would like to do that in a manner that does not intrude on their wishes or actions, no matter how misguided or downright foolish that I think they are.

So go late or stay on concourse and let the people that want to do silence, or clap , do it.
Thereby you can show your objection by not being present at the time , and let those that want to participate, do it

[sadtom]

Again, I think you're looking at this the wrong way. You don't simply want to show peaceful dissent - you want people to see that you are showing dissent.

I absolutely do.

If you really just wanted to not take part in the minute's applause (let's remember, that's a whole 60 long seconds), you would stay in the concourse and avoid it.


​I refuse to hide from something that is being foisted on me. The authorities/establishment whatever you want to call them are confronting me with this. I’d rather it wasn’t happening but it is so I will respond in a manner that I deem appropriate.

But no, you want to go further and let other people know how strongly you object to this show of respect.

​ at last the penny has dropped…you are f****** damn right I do.

Well fine, go ahead and make your silly protest. But do it in the knowledge that you risk upsetting those around you who do want to show their respect, and you also risk bringing criticism on the club if the behaviour of people like yourself is reported on and used as an opportunity to knock Hibs. We all know how quick the media are to highlight any perceived negative Hibs related story.

And you can doff your silly cap.
If you think Hibs net is representative of the Hibs support, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Without doubt there will be a number of people who will do more than turn their backs. My entire point of the post is that I have tried to find a way that keeps the objection civil and allows other who I disagree with to do what they want, without interference in order to try and stop and bother.

It's a free country (at the moment). So you do whatever you feel you have to in order to get through the minute.

.

[sadtom]

So go late or stay on concourse and let the people that want to do silence, or clap , do it.
Thereby you can show your objection by not being present at the time , and let those that want to participate, do it
Go and read the comments.
Hiding is not objecting.

[sadtom]

😂

Actually I can do one better and just re read all your posts.

What a wonderful friendship we could have developed if you only had a mild sense of humour. Ah well sadtom, I will leave you to it. Enjoy the coverage you won’t receive for your one man protest.
I neither want nor expect coverage.
You enjoy your display of deference, if you are going to be there of course.

[grunt]

I refuse to hide from something that is being foisted on me. The authorities/establishment whatever you want to call them are confronting me with this. I’d rather it wasn’t happening but it is so I will respond in a manner that I deem appropriate.

How's it being foisted on you? You can ignore it.

You must surely admit that this discussion is getting a wee bit OTT?

[sadtom]

Used her position? Didn't the victim have to agree to a settlement? I would suggest it was lawyers negotiating a deal, as happens every day in every courtroom throughout the world, unless Lizzy was there shining a lamp in the girls face.
Is Andrew a nonce? Imo of course, but to say the Queen silenced anyone is a bit far fetched

OMFG!
Are you for real?
:shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shoc ked::shocked::shocked:

[sadtom]

How's it being foisted on you? You can ignore it.

You must surely admit that this discussion is getting a wee bit OTT?

Of course it’s being foisted on me. I am going to watch my team play fitba and they are bringing this guff to me. So no I won’t just meekly hide I will register my disapproval.
I don’t get how this is so difficult to understand.

[grunt]

I don’t get how this is so difficult to understand.I know.

[Northernhibee]

It would appear that if the catering stands run out of chips again they’ll be able to source plenty from shoulders.

[Hibzbollah]

How do you have to join in exactly?!

Well if it's a minute silence that would be pretty compulsory. Wouldn't it?

[grunt]

Well if it's a minute silence that would be pretty compulsory. Wouldn't it?It's not.

[hibsbollah]

Well if it's a minute silence that would be pretty compulsory. Wouldn't it?

In keeping with the period of National Mourning, we will hold a minute’s applause for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II ahead of our game against Aberdeen on Saturday. Alongside this, our players will also wear black armbands.

[Iain G]

I neither want nor expect coverage.
You enjoy your display of deference, if you are going to be there of course.

Yes you do and you have said you want to be noticed in your petty little action like some 8 year old having a tantrum when being measured for new school shoes.

And nobody is bullying you into not going, just suggesting your actions will piss of those who are genuinely interested in marking the moment.

[DH1875]

The Queen of Scotland, Duchess of Edinburgh passes away while in Scotland. Can't have a minutes silence at a Scottish football stadium incase it upsets a few folk. Scotland 2022.

[bigwheel]

In keeping with the period of National Mourning, we will hold a minute’s applause for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II ahead of our game against Aberdeen on Saturday. Alongside this, our players will also wear black armbands.

Unrelated - but I feel the “z” shouldn’t be allowed. There is only one Hibsbollah!!

[Hibzbollah]

Unrelated - but I feel the “z” shouldn’t be allowed. There is only one Hibsbollah!!


This place is getting more like North Korea every day 😳

[bigwheel]

This place is getting more like North Korea every day [emoji15]

Narrator “surely he means Israel …..”. [emoji6]

[Tommy75]

The Queen of Scotland, Duchess of Edinburgh passes away while in Scotland. Can't have a minutes silence at a Scottish football stadium incase it upsets a few folk. Scotland 2022.

A number of Hibs fans think it is appropriate to boo silence. 'Hibs Class' 2022

[Nakedmanoncrack]

The Queen of Scotland, Duchess of Edinburgh passes away while in Scotland. Can't have a minutes silence at a Scottish football stadium incase it upsets a few folk. Scotland 2022.

Yes, everyone has been tiptoeing around the people who aren't in favour of the monarchy since last Thursday, lest a few folk get upset 🤣

[bigwheel]

Anyone who thinking about booing is acting in a selfish manner - it’s not about yourself, it’s our club you are letting down .

[sadtom]

Yes you do and you have said you want to be noticed in your petty little action like some 8 year old having a tantrum when being measured for new school shoes.

And nobody is bullying you into not going, just suggesting your actions will piss of those who are genuinely interested in marking the moment.
First and foremost I am doing this for me. Yes I will be happy if people see that we are not all lickspittals but couldn’t care less if it gets coverage or not.
Its you and others that are the intolerant infants. I have tried to find a way of accommodating all points of view to try to avoid trouble. But you appear to deny me my opinions and my quiet objection.
If I wanted to have a tantrum I would be advocating disrupting the applause/silence through booing etc. instead I have tried to show tolerance and respect for opinions I disagree with. I’ve not been afforded the same courtesy.
And you are correct…nobody will be f****** bullying me into anything you can be assured of that.
meanwhile you can take your clumsy metaphors and do one.

[Lancs Harp]

So the three positions under debate here are what then?
Support?
Indifference?
Oppose?

Scotland as deeply divided as ever.

[WeeRussell]

Have you considered streaking?

[sadtom]

Have you considered streaking?
:faf::faf::thumbsup:
B’jesus that would most likely condemn dozens if not hundreds to an early grave. Spare the innocent.

[Broken Gnome]

First and foremost I am doing this for me. Yes I will be happy if people see that we are not all lickspittals but couldn’t care less if it gets coverage or not.
Its you and others that are the intolerant infants. I have tried to find a way of accommodating all points of view to try to avoid trouble. But you appear to deny me my opinions and my quiet objection.
If I wanted to have a tantrum I would be advocating disrupting the applause/silence through booing etc. instead I have tried to show tolerance and respect for opinions I disagree with. I’ve not been afforded the same courtesy.
And you are correct…nobody will be f****** bullying me into anything you can be assured of that.
meanwhile you can take your clumsy metaphors and do one.

There's nothing really quiet about your objection, it's been five pages of it. Object to it, you think you have a right to, others naturally don't agree, if you're 'doing it for you' then you not made your point by page five of increasingly self-important ranting?

Can't really see the angst or issue - was there really anything more inevitable that the first football game after the Queen died would have some sort of recognition of that?

[sadtom]

So the three positions under debate here are what then?
Support?
Indifference?
Oppose?

Scotland as deeply divided as ever.
Pretty much.
And my sole purpose was to try and accommodate all 3 without it kicking off.

[sadtom]

There's nothing really quiet about your objection, it's been five pages of it. Object to it, you think you have a right to, others naturally don't agree, if you're 'doing it for you' then you not made your point by page five of increasingly self-important ranting?

Can't really see the angst or issue - was there really anything more inevitable that the first football game after the Queen died would have some sort of recognition of that?

So I am not allowed to answer multiple comments/questions? Lots of which completely missed the point and in some cases wrongly stated that I am advocating booing and disruption. Exactly not what I was suggesting.
Sound like you are suggesting that my objection shouldn’t be quiet?
I have tried to find a way to prevent conflict and allow those to express whatever they want…but no, I’m somehow the bad guy. Won’t be doing any of that s41t again.
F*** it. Those that want to object should just boo then.

[Onion]

One of the magical things about football is it brings together folk from all nooks and crannies of society. For decades, I've stood or sat next to fellow Hibbies without a moments thought about their upbringing, political views, beliefs or prejudices - knowing full well we'd likely not choose to associate outwith a Sat afternoon :greengrin

Saturday is nothing to do with forcing folk to show deference to the Monarchy or forcing someone to do anything they don't want to. It's about having respect for fellow Hibs fans who do want to follow the club's proposal. If you can't do that, simply go to the toilet, for a pie or delay your arrival.

FWIW, I personally don't feel a minutes applause is the right way to recognise 70 years of public service. Instead I'll be standing in silent reflection. That won't be disruptive, stop anyone else from applauding and hopefully won't be taken as some kind of "protest" by my neighbours. I'll be facing the pitch :greengrin

[Iain G]

First and foremost I am doing this for me. Yes I will be happy if people see that we are not all lickspittals but couldn’t care less if it gets coverage or not.
Its you and others that are the intolerant infants. I have tried to find a way of accommodating all points of view to try to avoid trouble. But you appear to deny me my opinions and my quiet objection.
If I wanted to have a tantrum I would be advocating disrupting the applause/silence through booing etc. instead I have tried to show tolerance and respect for opinions I disagree with. I’ve not been afforded the same courtesy.
And you are correct…nobody will be f****** bullying me into anything you can be assured of that.
meanwhile you can take your clumsy metaphors and do one.

If you stopped jumping up and down and ranting and calling people names for not agreeing with your immense intellect and clear view on this subject then maybe they would afford you some courtesy? You don't seem to be a reasonable person based on this thread and certainly seem to be missing some element of empathy and humanity.

[Skol1972]

Pretty much.
And my sole purpose was to try and accommodate all 3 without it kicking off.
Surely that is what the club has done. So you should be pleased. Nothing is being foisted on anyone. They can clap, not clap, stay in a the concourse or come in after. I think it is the most sensible course of action the club could take.

[sadtom]

If you stopped jumping up and down and ranting and calling people names for not agreeing with your immense intellect and clear view on this subject then maybe they would afford you some courtesy? You don't seem to be a reasonable person based on this thread and certainly seem to be missing some element of empathy and humanity.

I think you will find that I have received a damn sight more name calling or abuse than I have retorted with.
I work every day with people facing eviction. Many of whom are in desperate poverty, some who are ill and struggling to get by. 4 of whom have died or taken their own lives in the last couple of years because of the situation that they are in.
I will save my empathy, sympathy and tears for those that deserve it.
This ongoing mass insanity and resultant faux grieving over some puffed up monarch does not fall into that category.
You can cry a river over that dysfunctional criminal family if you like. I won’t.

[hibsbollah]

Unrelated - but I feel the “z” shouldn’t be allowed. There is only one Hibsbollah!!

:not worth:

I’m just intrigued to know which poster is trolling me :faf: posting style detective work required

[Lago]

Some drama queens on here now a days.

[sadtom]

Surely that is what the club has done. So you should be pleased. Nothing is being foisted on anyone. They can clap, not clap, stay in a the concourse or come in after. I think it is the most sensible course of action the club could take.

Out of the 3 options (other than doing nowt), playing gstk. Silence. Or applause I agree the club has chosen the most sensible one. That was not known when I started this.
The problem is that no matter what anyone on here has said, there will still be a number of our fans who oppose the royal family and will want to make that evident. I have tried to see if a quiet non verbal protest might stop any booing. I don’t think it will, I think some will still boo.
All I have done is try to offer an alternative to those who oppose the monarchy in the hope that it will accommodate all beliefs and stop potential conflict at the game. My bad.

[Since452]

Interested to hear what happens at Anfield tonight.

[Iain G]

Interested to hear what happens at Anfield tonight.

Liverpool will lose I expect 😉

[CentreLine]

No it’s not about the much vaunted ‘spine’ of the team but about this Saturdays game.

I assume they will be holding a minute’s applause/silence.

From what I can see/hear there are 3 positions held by our fans.

1. Some will want to join in.

2. Others (from comments I’ve read) will ‘abstain’ by turning up late or going to the concourse.

3. Others will want to register their objections to being forced to show respect for an institution they oppose.
(pretty much where I am)
However this could lead to grief among our fans and could get messy. Would also allow the usual suspects a stick to beat the club/fans with (not that they need one).
Instead for those who do wish to actively show dissent it may be a good idea to hold a silent protest (especially if it’s a minutes applause) by standing and turning our backs?

Thoughts?

However if they try to force a rendition of GSTK down our throats then they can do one…all bets are off.

I think that is a perfectly reasonable stance to take Sad Tom. Peaceful, dignified and not threatening.
Personally I will be content to stand quietly for sixty second as a mark of respect but see no reason why that should be forced on anyone. All the best tomorrow ST and I hope others, who feel strongly, take your lead and do so in a similarly dignified way. 👍🏻

[The Spaceman]

Grown men having a greet about 60 seconds of silence in the lead up to a game 😂. Maybe these children can qualify for a kids ST in the Famous Five?

[sadtom]

I think that is a perfectly reasonable stance to take Sad Tom. Peaceful, dignified and not threatening.
Personally I will be content to stand quietly for sixty second as a mark of respect but see no reason why that should be forced on anyone. All the best tomorrow ST and I hope others, who feel strongly, take your lead and do so in a similarly dignified way. 👍🏻

Cheers. 👍
You too.

[ChrissyG1875]

A lot of talk about how it will look upon the club if people oppose the applaud whereas I'm worried how it'll look upon the club if it is respected. I would hate to be seen as a club who are essentially advocating a vile woman and institution.

Personally I think it would be a superb statement if all over the country there was a loud chorus of boos.

However that is my opinion and I understand that people feel otherwise and that is why I don't think clubs should do anything. Get on with the football as if nothing has happened.

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[WeeRussell]

Out of the 3 options (other than doing nowt), playing gstk. Silence. Or applause I agree the club has chosen the most sensible one. That was not known when I started this.
The problem is that no matter what anyone on here has said, there will still be a number of our fans who oppose the royal family and will want to make that evident. I have tried to see if a quiet non verbal protest might stop any booing. I don’t think it will, I think some will still boo.
All I have done is try to offer an alternative to those who oppose the monarchy in the hope that it will accommodate all beliefs and stop potential conflict at the game. My bad.

Take your point but the thing is, I completely and utterly oppose the monarchy. But I don’t think not observing a silence for the death of an individual will necessarily make that evident.

I tell anyone that asks me my thoughts on us still having kings and queens, and that is how I make my feelings evident. Booing or turning your back on a minute’s silence after someone dies could be interpreted in more than one way.

I reckon the majority of people that have replied to you on this are against the monarchy (or at least not supportive of it) but, as you can see, most are not for going against any tribute paid at Easter road. Definitely not as simple as hating them and wanting it known, or falling into line and expressing faux grief.

Also, I’m not sure that some silent but noticeable protest would be any less ‘offensive’ than a few boos during the applause?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Notice that Swansea opted not to play GSTQ/K tonight

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I’ll be turning my back, no need to disrupt a minutes silence regardless of who it’s for imo but like many others id imagine, I want my objection to be noted by the suits at the club and the SFA. This forced grieving really is beginning to give me the boke


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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

A lot of talk about how it will look upon the club if people oppose the applaud whereas I'm worried how it'll look upon the club if it is respected. I would hate to be seen as a club who are essentially advocating a vile woman and institution.

Personally I think it would be a superb statement if all over the country there was a loud chorus of boos.

However that is my opinion and I understand that people feel otherwise and that is why I don't think clubs should do anything. Get on with the football as if nothing has happened.

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See, I agree with you. It would be a great statement, but I feel uncomfortable disrupting anyones minutes silence.


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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Royalist or not, if we can’t show some respect to a woman who gave 70 years of her life in selfless duty then it says more about us than her or the institution.

She is of generation that knew respect, duty and service, sadly the generations since have seen a steady decline in those aspects of humanity and for me that is reflected in todays’ more selfish society.

I for one will support whatever the club decide, as when all is said and done ….she is someone’s mother and that alone should command respect from all.

Rubbish. And I’ll tell you why. Objection number 1) selfless duty? My arse, the women was a billionaire off our taxes. 2) it says more about us than her or her institution? I don’t even know where to start with that, how about the £12m she gave to Andrew to pay off a woman he’d allegedly never met, so he wouldn’t face charges in a US court for sexual assault? 3) she is from a generation that knew respect, duty and service? Okay… See objection number 2 and add on the fact that members of her family just so happened to be aligned with the Nazi Party… very respectful, I wish my generation was like hers. 4) Generations since…. Decline in those aspects of human decency… todays selfish society. Every generation has said that about the next, and each time it’s been pish. There’s quotes from the ancient romans saying the younger generation are lazy, boisterous, selfish etc. And finally 5) should command respect from all. That’s the problem, they don’t command respect, they DEMAND respect. **** them.


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[tamig]

First and foremost I am doing this for me. Yes I will be happy if people see that we are not all lickspittals but couldn’t care less if it gets coverage or not.
Its you and others that are the intolerant infants. I have tried to find a way of accommodating all points of view to try to avoid trouble. But you appear to deny me my opinions and my quiet objection.
If I wanted to have a tantrum I would be advocating disrupting the applause/silence through booing etc. instead I have tried to show tolerance and respect for opinions I disagree with. I’ve not been afforded the same courtesy.
And you are correct…nobody will be f****** bullying me into anything you can be assured of that.
meanwhile you can take your clumsy metaphors and do one.
Oh the irony. You really are a confused individual. You’ve tried to show tolerance and respect to others while labelling them “lickspittals” among several other derogatory descriptors. You just don’t seem like a very nice person. Sad indeed.

[Rumble de Thump]

I’ll be turning my back, no need to disrupt a minutes silence regardless of who it’s for imo but like many others id imagine, I want my objection to be noted by the suits at the club and the SFA. This forced grieving really is beginning to give me the boke


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Do you genuinely think you're being forced to grieve?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Do you genuinely think you're being forced to grieve?

Well the wall to wall coverage on TV and arrests of protesters makes it seem as though mourning is compulsory, yes.


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[joebakerforever]

Looks like the anti-monarchists on here are just part of a vociferous minority in Scotland.

Even SNP policy for an independent Scotland is “to remain as part of the Commonwealth with the Queen and her successors as head of state”. :rolleyes:

Personally, not keen on the class privileges its structures perpetuate, with the bunch of hangers-on that make a good living out of it, but I'd rather tolerate it compared to the so-called democracy in the likes of China, Russia & North Korea etc.

[EdinMike]

I’m working on Saturday but honestly, if it came to minutes silence ? I’d just stay seated and probably look at .net on my phone 😅

[ozwoody]

If you don't want to watch the TV, don't.Watch Netflix instead.
If you don't want to participate on Saturday, don't. We all know what's been organised, so it's up to individual what they want to do.
Stay in seat, turn your back, stay on concourse, all perfectly fine options.
Also, as it's a public holiday you can choose to go into your work if it's closed, or hand back half your days wage if your working as protest.

[Jones28]

Out of the 3 options (other than doing nowt), playing gstk. Silence. Or applause I agree the club has chosen the most sensible one. That was not known when I started this.
The problem is that no matter what anyone on here has said, there will still be a number of our fans who oppose the royal family and will want to make that evident. I have tried to see if a quiet non verbal protest might stop any booing. I don’t think it will, I think some will still boo.
All I have done is try to offer an alternative to those who oppose the monarchy in the hope that it will accommodate all beliefs and stop potential conflict at the game. My bad.

Does anyone who doesn’t protest and claps politely without really giving a **** fall in to your “lickspittle” category?

[Jones28]

I neither want nor expect coverage.
You enjoy your display of deference, if you are going to be there of course.

I’d love to be there but football is out of my reach financially at the moment.

I don’t view it as a display of deference, more just 60 seconds of my life that will never happen again and i think we’re all capable of being civil even while showing our opposition to something for that amount of time.

[nonshinyfinish]

Personally, not keen on the class privileges its structures perpetuate, with the bunch of hangers-on that make a good living out of it, but I'd rather tolerate it compared to the so-called democracy in the likes of China, Russia & North Korea etc.

Ah right, now that I know it's a binary choice between those two, I'm in favour of keeping the monarchy as well.

[Tambo]

From the BBC gossip page this morning

Uefa have turned down requests from British clubs to play God Save the King before European matches tonight following the Queen's death, but Rangers intend to defy the ban at Ibrox

Rangers players could stand and sing an acapella version of God Save the King with the backing of tens of thousands of fans, in scenes reminiscent of what happened prior to the second day of the Test between England and South Africa at the weekend.

[Bishop Hibee]

Option 2

[Since452]

From the BBC gossip page this morning

Uefa have turned down requests from British clubs to play God Save the King before European matches tonight following the Queen's death, but Rangers intend to defy the ban at Ibrox

Rangers players could stand and sing an acapella version of God Save the King with the backing of tens of thousands of fans, in scenes reminiscent of what happened prior to the second day of the Test between England and South Africa at the weekend.

That will please the "staunch" element of their support. Playing to the masses. Such a weird football club.

[WeeRussell]

Looks like the anti-monarchists on here are just part of a vociferous minority in Scotland.

Even SNP policy for an independent Scotland is “to remain as part of the Commonwealth with the Queen and her successors as head of state”. :rolleyes:

Personally, not keen on the class privileges its structures perpetuate, with the bunch of hangers-on that make a good living out of it, but I'd rather tolerate it compared to the so-called democracy in the likes of China, Russia & North Korea etc.

People that are anti-monarchy are a vociferous minority in Scotland.

You’re anti-monarchy.

Without the monarchy we’d turn into somewhere like North Korea.

What a sensible post.

[hibsbollah]

From the BBC gossip page this morning

Uefa have turned down requests from British clubs to play God Save the King before European matches tonight following the Queen's death, but Rangers intend to defy the ban at Ibrox

Rangers players could stand and sing an acapella version of God Save the King with the backing of tens of thousands of fans, in scenes reminiscent of what happened prior to the second day of the Test between England and South Africa at the weekend.

That is brilliant. The most Rangers thing ever. They are also instituting compulsory Liz arse cheek tattoos for each and every player on that pitch, including subs.

[hibsbollah]

Ah right, now that I know it's a binary choice between those two, I'm in favour of keeping the monarchy as well.

:faf:

[Lago]

Dot net rapidly turning into twitter lite, sad really.

[SChibs]

See, I agree with you. It would be a great statement, but I feel uncomfortable disrupting anyones minutes silence.


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But someone can have a minutes silence whenever they want to remember whoever they want. It shouldn't be happening at a football game for such a polarising figure

[J-C]

Another thread that should be in the Holy Ground forum and merged with the other monarchy debates. Amazing how some get there knickers in a twist about standing silent for a minute out of respect, sad that the club has chosen to clap instead just in case we have a few bampots in our crowd that might show us up.

[Lago]

:top marks
Another thread that should be in the Holy Ground forum and merged with the other monarchy debates. Amazing how some get there knickers in a twist about standing silent for a minute out of respect, sad that the club has chosen to clap instead just in case we have a few bampots in our crowd that might show us up.

[Iain G]

But someone can have a minutes silence whenever they want to remember whoever they want. It shouldn't be happening at a football game for such a polarising figure

The Queen isn't a polarising figure though really is she? :confused:

[SChibs]

The Queen isn't a polarising figure though really is she? :confused:

I'd say so by the comments on this thread. Some folk think she was a vile woman who doesn't deserve respect for protecting a peado and others think she was a great woman who gave up her life for her country

[DH1875]

Leaves the club with a dilemma though. Can't see there being to many minutes silence at ERin the future. Minutes applause from now on.

[gbhibby]

Surprised not to see a poll on which position you prefer.
Hearts fans only have one position.😁

[Iain G]

I'd say so by the comments on this thread. Some folk think she was a vile woman who doesn't deserve respect for protecting a peado and others think she was a great woman who gave up her life for her country

Across the UK I would suspect she isn't very polarising and the majority of the population either like her or don't hate her!

[BoomtownHibees]

Surprised not to see a poll on which position you prefer.
Hearts fans only have one position.😁

Missionary

[hibsbollah]

Across the UK I would suspect she isn't very polarising and the majority of the population either like her or don't hate her!

Across the UK really isn’t a very meaningful term. In Surrey, i think you could say the Queen is a 100% unifying figure. In Ulster, shes 100% polarising. A lot of places, somewhere in between.

[Iain G]

Across the UK really isn’t a very meaningful term. In Surrey, i think you could say the Queen is a 100% unifying figure. In Ulster, shes 100% polarising. A lot of places, somewhere in between.

If she is 100% polarising she is still 50% liked :greengrin Would suggest she is, on average, across all of the UK, more liked than not :greengrin

[One Day Soon]

Thoughts and prayers with sadtom at this very difficult time.

[Scotty Leither]

Next time the teddy bears give us the full hymn book at Easter Road, including GSTK, will we clap in solidarity or are we to laugh at them, like a lot of us usually do?

Just asking for a friend…

[sadtom]

Thoughts and prayers with sadtom at this very difficult time.

Well aren’t you just precious, what a sweetheart.
However probably best that you save your prayers for those who believe in deity fairytales.

It does appear to be a ‘difficult time’ for those overcome with ‘grief’. That’s certainly not me.

In reply to some other posts.
For one last time.
At no point have I told anyone else what they should do or believe. I just tried to acknowledge that amongst our support there appears to be 3 positions.
1. Those who wish to mark the occasion and support it.
2. Those who don’t but are either ambivalent to it and will avoid/abstain.
3. Those who would like to show objection to it, not just ignore it if it is brought to the game against our wishes.

Whether you agree with the 3rd position or not is not really the point. The purpose of the post was to try and show respect for all 3 positions and allow everyone to express themselves in a manner that does not interfere with other viewpoints. I suggested a option that would try to keep any protest civil and hopefully avoids conflict with fellow Hibs fans.

While I have not tried to impose my objections to the monarchy on others, no matter what I think of them or their beliefs, (otherwise I would be advocating booing or some other more obvious disruption, like banners etc) I tried to suggest a compromise to accommodate those who want to show their objections in such a manner that would not impact on others. By merely standing quietly with backs turned.

The only people who have tried to impose their will on others and telling them what to do, are those that are rejecting the 3rd position as an option. Whether you like it or not there are people who feel strongly about this and would like to show their dissent.
Several have told me to keep my gob shut (I’m advocating a silent protest…d’oh!). Or take my toddler tantrum elsewhere etc Or if I disagree I should turn up late or hide in the concourse. That’s position 2, and does not give any room for a protest of any description.
Its those posters who are unwilling to accommodate a viewpoint that they disagree with and are telling anyone who wants to protest that should not do so and ‘hide’.

I have not asked for anyone to agree with me other than understand that there will be fans who object and want their objection known.
From the 1st post I hoped it would be a way to allow everyone to to as they wished unimpeded by other viewpoints, trying to avoid conflict in the process.

I am struggling to see why this is so controversial and so difficult to understand.

Quite frankly I’m now so far beyond caring it’s a dot in the rear view mirror.
It will be what it will be. Just hope it passes peacefully.
GGTTH

[sadtom]

26186
God Save The King!

[Lancs Harp]

26186
God Save The King!

Can raise a glass to that.... well a cuppa its midweek!

[Jones28]

Well aren’t you just precious, what a sweetheart.
However probably best that you save your prayers for those who believe in deity fairytales.

It does appear to be a ‘difficult time’ for those overcome with ‘grief’. That’s certainly not me.

In reply to some other posts.
For one last time.
At no point have I told anyone else what they should do or believe. I just tried to acknowledge that amongst our support there appears to be 3 positions.
1. Those who wish to mark the occasion and support it.
2. Those who don’t but are either ambivalent to it and will avoid/abstain.
3. Those who would like to show objection to it, not just ignore it if it is brought to the game against our wishes.

Whether you agree with the 3rd position or not is not really the point. The purpose of the post was to try and show respect for all 3 positions and allow everyone to express themselves in a manner that does not interfere with other viewpoints. I suggested a option that would try to keep any protest civil and hopefully avoids conflict with fellow Hibs fans.

While I have not tried to impose my objections to the monarchy on others, no matter what I think of them or their beliefs, (otherwise I would be advocating booing or some other more obvious disruption, like banners etc) I tried to suggest a compromise to accommodate those who want to show their objections in such a manner that would not impact on others. By merely standing quietly with backs turned.

The only people who have tried to impose their will on others and telling them what to do, are those that are rejecting the 3rd position as an option. Whether you like it or not there are people who feel strongly about this and would like to show their dissent.
Several have told me to keep my gob shut (I’m advocating a silent protest…d’oh!). Or take my toddler tantrum elsewhere etc Or if I disagree I should turn up late or hide in the concourse. That’s position 2, and does not give any room for a protest of any description.
Its those posters who are unwilling to accommodate a viewpoint that they disagree with and are telling anyone who wants to protest that should not do so and ‘hide’.

I have not asked for anyone to agree with me other than understand that there will be fans who object and want their objection known.
From the 1st post I hoped it would be a way to allow everyone to to as they wished unimpeded by other viewpoints, trying to avoid conflict in the process.

I am struggling to see why this is so controversial and so difficult to understand.

Quite frankly I’m now so far beyond caring it’s a dot in the rear view mirror.
It will be what it will be. Just hope it passes peacefully.
GGTTH

You seem to struggle to understand that by adopting position number three you are antagonising those who want to adopt position number one. Why can't you leave your protestations for the pro-republican events you say you attend, and allow those who want to observe the minutes applause to do so by staying in the concourse and taking your seat afterwards?

If you upset the wrong person with a protest at your seat I hope you're prepared for confrontation.

[sadtom]

You seem to struggle to understand that by adopting position number three you are antagonising those who want to adopt position number one. Why can't you leave your protestations for the pro-republican events you say you attend, and allow those who want to observe the minutes applause to do so by staying in the concourse and taking your seat afterwards?

If you upset the wrong person with a protest at your seat I hope you're prepared for confrontation.

No my protest is silent and does not stop others expressing their view. It’s you who wish to impose your view on me.
Why can’t you take your tribute to a royalist or monarchist event…Christ knows there are plenty choices for you just now.
This is a fitba match and I don’t want this crap at the fitba.
If someone gets their Union Jack bloomers in a twist because I am standing quietly with my back turned then then they need to give their head a wobble.
Don’t fret. More than capable of looking after myself.

[Kato]

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[Broken Gnome]

No my protest is silent and does not stop others expressing their view. It’s you who wish to impose your view on me.
Why can’t you take your tribute to a royalist or monarchist event…Christ knows there are plenty choices for you just now.
This is a fitba match and I don’t want this crap at the fitba.
If someone gets their Union Jack bloomers in a twist because I am standing quietly with my back turned then then they need to give their head a wobble.
Don’t fret. More than capable of looking after myself.

Again, it was crap that always going to be at a football match. By having an applause we're actually having a lesser version of the crap than it could have been.

You've probably antagonised more people by the continued argument, when really if you're just turning your back and weren't so deadset at making such a song and dance about it then no one would have bloody cared.

[Broken Gnome]

Again, it was crap that always going to be at a football match. By having an applause we're actually having a lesser version of the crap than it could have been.

You've probably antagonised more people by the continued argument, when really if you're just turning your back and weren't so deadset at making such a song and dance about it then no one would have bloody cared.

Can't edit my post for some reason, but to be fair I do have a degree of sympathy in that the fact your objection was always said to be silent was pretty oft-overlooked at the start.

Seems it's the insistence on absolutely having to have your objection noted that's caused all the debate though, and it's grown arms and legs where it half seems you're going to burn a Union Jack on the sport - whether you meant to or not, it's all turned a bit ego-driven?

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[sadtom]

Again, it was crap that always going to be at a football match. By having an applause we're actually having a lesser version of the crap than it could have been.

You've probably antagonised more people by the continued argument, when really if you're just turning your back and weren't so deadset at making such a song and dance about it then no one would have bloody cared.

Was trying to find away for people who think similarly to me a way to object without booing. That’s all.

[Jones28]

No my protest is silent and does not stop others expressing their view. It’s you who wish to impose your view on me.
Why can’t you take your tribute to a royalist or monarchist event…Christ knows there are plenty choices for you just now.
This is a fitba match and I don’t want this crap at the fitba.
If someone gets their Union Jack bloomers in a twist because I am standing quietly with my back turned then then they need to give their head a wobble.
Don’t fret. More than capable of looking after myself.

I’m doing nothing but suggesting you don’t impose your views on others by staying in the concourse while the applause is going on.

I’m not pro monarchist in the slightest, I object to people not being able allow others to use a 60 second window in their lives to pay tribute to someone YOU don’t like.

If you’ve nothing nice to say, say nothing at all and all that.

[Lago]

Was trying to find away for people who think similarly to me a way to object without booing. That’s all.
I think your just trying to draw attention to yourself.

[sadtom]

I think your just trying to draw attention to yourself.

Really!
I think I’m just replying to posts directed at me. Some that are misrepresenting what I’ve said.

[sadtom]

I’m doing nothing but suggesting you don’t impose your views on others by staying in the concourse while the applause is going on.

I’m not pro monarchist in the slightest, I object to people not being able allow others to use a 60 second window in their lives to pay tribute to someone YOU don’t like.

If you’ve nothing nice to say, say nothing at all and all that.

By telling me to ignore it you are denying me (or others) the chance to express our thoughts.
How is me standing silently imposing my view on others and how does it prevent them doing what they want?

[BoomtownHibees]

By telling me to ignore it you are denying me (or others) the chance to express our thoughts.
How is me standing silently imposing my view on others and how does it prevent them doing what they want?

Why don’t you just go to the game and do what you want to do? Are you looking for permission with the continued posts about the same thing?

[sadtom]

Why don’t you just go to the game and do what you want to do? Are you looking for permission with the continued posts about the same thing?

Of course I’m not asking for permission. Just wanted to see if there could be some sort of consensus that might stop any hassle at the game. Clearly not!!! :wink:

[Musselbound]

By Saturday it will be nine days since her passing. To my mind, the mark of respect was the postponement of the matches last weekend, I don't see the need for anything further. Surely the wearing of black arm bands by the players, if they so choose, would suffice.

Agree. There is also a national minute's silence on Sunday where anyone who wants to can take part. Football grounds are not the place for this. Silences in virtually every ground in the country will be disrupted and then some folk will be outraged by that and a new thread will be started post match...

[Musselbound]

Across the UK I would suspect she isn't very polarising and the majority of the population either like her or don't hate her!

Seriously? It's not just about the Queen as an individual. It's about the institution of the Monarchy which is very polarising and about as politically charged as you can get.

[Dashing Bob S]

I’m normally pro monarchy but I’ll be booing just to get some attention

[cameronw-hfc]

This isn't a minute of applause or silence for any random punter or former club associate, it's a minute for an incredibly polarizing lady who was head of an even more polarizing family. Asking people to "respect those that want to pay respects" is dumb if it only goes one way. Royalist views should be allowed, republican views should also be allowed, it's a two way street.

Personally, I don't grudge anyone that joins, if I was there id join any action of protest etc, and id hope my right to do so would be respected, in the same way royalists are asking us to respect their views, this isn't a black and white show respect for a dead person.

This is a forced minute after a forced period of grief/shutting things down, it's also a family who have done more detestable things than can even be counted. Again, I respect anyone and everyone's views and if they want to show their respects, by all means join in, but it's only fair to then respect those who morally can't join in, or can't stand by whilst a family they have strong feelings about get clapped.

There's more than 3 positions on this, and unless you're planning on marching down to London to try storm the palace then all the positions on this topic are valid and a case of opinion.

[OldEast]

This isn't a minute of applause or silence for any random punter or former club associate, it's a minute for an incredibly polarizing lady who was head of an even more polarizing family. Asking people to "respect those that want to pay respects" is dumb if it only goes one way. Royalist views should be allowed, republican views should also be allowed, it's a two way street.

Personally, I don't grudge anyone that joins, if I was there id join any action of protest etc, and id hope my right to do so would be respected, in the same way royalists are asking us to respect their views, this isn't a black and white show respect for a dead person.

This is a forced minute after a forced period of grief/shutting things down, it's also a family who have done more detestable things than can even be counted. Again, I respect anyone and everyone's views and if they want to show their respects, by all means join in, but it's only fair to then respect those who morally can't join in, or can't stand by whilst a family they have strong feelings about get clapped.

There's more than 3 positions on this, and unless you're planning on marching down to London to try storm the palace then all the positions on this topic are valid and a case of opinion.

I genuinely have zero interest in the current state of affairs. Don't think I've expressed an opinion one way or the other across social media. Occasionally a post by it's sheer common sense gets me nodding my head in agreement, this one being an example. Well said sir. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[WhileTheChief..]

We regularly get predictions on here or how bad things will be at ER. It never ever transpires the way that some think.

There will be no problem amongst Hibs fans at the game and the day will pass without incident.

[matty_f]

We regularly get predictions on here or how bad things will be at ER. It never ever transpires the way that some think.

There will be no problem amongst Hibs fans at the game and the day will pass without incident.
:agree:
The vast majority won’t give a toss, there will be some folk on either extreme of the positions but i think most won’t be bothered their backside about it.

[lucky]

I won’t clap or boo or turn my back. I’ll just be quiet and let everyone do their own thing. But if there is large scale booing it will be reported in the press and result in bad PR a for the club.

[hibsbollah]

I’m normally pro monarchy but I’ll be booing just to get some attention

I’m normally anti royalty but I’ll be clapping unbelievably loudly. (I had hoped to be disproportionately quiet during the silence, honestly you would have been able to have heard a pin drop, almost like there’s a magic force field around me), but now that pleasure has been taken away from me by the whole applause decision.

[ChrissyG1875]

I won’t clap or boo or turn my back. I’ll just be quiet and let everyone do their own thing. But if there is large scale booing it will be reported in the press and result in bad PR a for the club.I would argue good PR for the club

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[Jones28]

I would argue good PR for the club

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You would, but you'd be wrong. The mainstream media aren't going to report it as good news are they?

[tamig]

Really!
I think I’m just replying to posts directed at me. Some that are misrepresenting what I’ve said.

In your latest tome attempting to address some of the comments and opinions expressed, I’ve yet to see any explanation for the unnecessary name-calling from you directed at others who don’t share your views. This from the guy who respects the views of others - as you said yourself.

[marinello59]

:agree:
The vast majority won’t give a toss, there will be some folk on either extreme of the positions but i think most won’t be bothered their backside about it.

:agree:

[Mcbizz1998]

We regularly get predictions on here or how bad things will be at ER. It never ever transpires the way that some think.

There will be no problem amongst Hibs fans at the game and the day will pass without incident.

Hmm not sure about that. This is pretty much unprecedented and given the views of some on here I can’t see there being no reaction.

The decision to have an applause is a good one as I think it’s an absolute certainty that some will boo or shout stuff - a silence would have highlighted this even further.

It also won’t surprise me at all if the wee plebs who like to sing songs about Porto and the IRA start singing something undignified.

[CapitalGreen]

I won’t clap or boo or turn my back. I’ll just be quiet and let everyone do their own thing. But if there is large scale booing it will be reported in the press and result in bad PR a for the club.

I gave up caring what the press writes about Hibs along time ago.

[chippy]

Hmm not sure about that. This is pretty much unprecedented and given the views of some on here I can’t see there being no reaction.

The decision to have an applause is a good one as I think it’s an absolute certainty that some will boo or shout stuff - a silence would have highlighted this even further.

It also won’t surprise me at all if the wee plebs who like to sing songs about Porto and the IRA start singing something undignified.
There’s nothing more undignified than GSTQ or GSTK

[Mcbizz1998]

There’s nothing more undignified than GSTQ or GSTK

Ok [emoji106]

That’s not what I think they will be singing so you should be safe.

[WhileTheChief..]

Standing doing nothing is a lame attempt at a protest. Nobody will see it for starters. so it seems a bit pointless.

Put some effort in and make a banner or flag or something with an edgy message.

Get your message across and then we can maybe call it a protest. Until then it sounds more like a huff!

[sadtom]

In your latest tome attempting to address some of the comments and opinions expressed, I’ve yet to see any explanation for the unnecessary name-calling from you directed at others who don’t share your views. This from the guy who respects the views of others - as you said yourself.


Name calling? Lol. Are you for real?
Take the time to look over the posts and you will see a good bit more name calling or disrespect sent my way in comparison to the once or twice I’ve ‘bit back’.

Believe me. I have very much tempered my language. If I was truly to speak my mind regarding what I think of monarchists I suspect you might burst into tears.

[BoomtownHibees]

Believe me. I have very much tempered my language. If I was truly to speak my mind regarding what I think of monarchists I suspect you might burst into tears.

Looking forward to hearing it tomorrow

[Jay]

I won’t clap or boo or turn my back. I’ll just be quiet and let everyone do their own thing. But if there is large scale booing it will be reported in the press and result in bad PR a for the club.


I wish more people thought like this. If you don't have respect for royalty then have some for the people who do want the minutes silence. If you can't shut your mouth for 60 seconds and allow people their minute then there's something wrong with you. Protest another day , the coronation for example.

I'd been moaning that I was fed up of it all the other day and I saw a video of an old man in his house supporting himself on his zimmer and saluting the queen's coffin on the telly. That's the moment I thought we are doing it for him and others like him. A generation who fought for our freedom and saw the queen differently to how it is now. Its 60 seconds. Booing doesn't make you clever imo

[JeMeSouviens]

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Just in case they are daft enough to play the tune, here's some words:

God save our gracious king
Our Niddrie Sovereign
Stanton is king
Using his mighty boot
May he the Jam Tarts mute
Every Hibee salutes
God save the king

[sadtom]

Just in case they are daft enough to play the tune, here's some words:

God save our gracious king
Our Niddrie Sovereign
Stanton is king
Using his mighty boot
May he the Jam Tarts mute
Every Hibee salutes
God save the king

:thumbsup:

[sadtom]

Standing doing nothing is a lame attempt at a protest. Nobody will see it for starters. so it seems a bit pointless.

Put some effort in and make a banner or flag or something with an edgy message.

Get your message across and then we can maybe call it a protest. Until then it sounds more like a huff!

I agree, it would be ‘lame’, me on my own with my back turned in silence is not going to be noticed but I will do so for my own peace of mind and my own sanity.

However if hundreds or even thousands were to do it it would be a very visible show of dissent that would not interfere with those who wished to support it.
I could have advocated something more noticeable but figured that might interfere with the wishes of other and cause bother. Which I have been trying to avoid from the start.

[hibeg]

I wish more people thought like this. If you don't have respect for royalty then have some for the people who do want the minutes silence. If you can't shut your mouth for 60 seconds and allow people their minute then there's something wrong with you. Protest another day , the coronation for example.

I'd been moaning that I was fed up of it all the other day and I saw a video of an old man in his house supporting himself on his zimmer and saluting the queen's coffin on the telly. That's the moment I thought we are doing it for him and others like him. A generation who fought for our freedom and saw the queen differently to how it is now. Its 60 seconds. Booing doesn't make you clever imo

Very good post

[chippy]

Name calling? Lol. Are you for real?
Take the time to look over the posts and you will see a good bit more name calling or disrespect sent my way in comparison to the once or twice I’ve ‘bit back’.

Believe me. I have very much tempered my language. If I was truly to speak my mind regarding what I think of monarchists I suspect you might burst into tears.
I don’t have respect for royalty and I’ve very little respect for anyone who has any respect for royalty. Get off your knees

[sadtom]

I don’t have respect for royalty and I’ve very little respect for anyone who has any respect for royalty. Get off your knees

Never been on my knees in my life. I have 40 odd years of campaigning, taking direct action (to my detriment on occasions - arrests, fines, fisticuffs), and various political activities. Long standing shop steward or committee member(CWU & PCS), numerous anti racist activities, extremely active in the anti poll tax movement, and first attended pro republican initiatives 42 years ago.
However, on this occasion I am just trying to avoid conflict among Hibs fans.

[Iain G]

Never been on my knees in my life. I have 40 odd years of campaigning, taking direct action (to my detriment on occasions - arrests, fines, fisticuffs), and various political activities. Long standing shop steward or committee member(CWU & PCS), numerous anti racist activities, extremely active in the anti poll tax movement, and first attended pro republican initiatives 42 years ago.
However, on this occasion I am just trying to avoid conflict among Hibs fans.

You forgot to add "blowing your own trumpet" to that list :greengrin

[sadtom]

You forgot to add "blowing your own trumpet" to that list :greengrin

I can just about manage a tune on the moothy. Does that count? :wink:
(Well an almost passable version of The Mighty Ship by The Housemartins)

[tamig]

Name calling? Lol. Are you for real?
Take the time to look over the posts and you will see a good bit more name calling or disrespect sent my way in comparison to the once or twice I’ve ‘bit back’.

Believe me. I have very much tempered my language. If I was truly to speak my mind regarding what I think of monarchists I suspect you might burst into tears.
What a nonsense response. Lickspittal was the most recent one I can recall. Whataboutery shouldn’t be used as an excuse for your disrespectful name-calling. I’m no royalist or supporter of the monarchy, I’m not shedding tears. I do have respect for others who see things differently. And don’t feel the need to start calling them names.

[sadtom]

What a nonsense response. Lickspittal was the most recent one I can recall. Whataboutery shouldn’t be used as an excuse for your disrespectful name-calling. I’m no royalist or supporter of the monarchy, I’m not shedding tears. I do have respect for others who see things differently. And don’t feel the need to start calling them names.

Yep I used lickstittal, lumpen simpletons, hand wringing simpering plebs, (I’ve got loads more lol) as a generic (not specific) reference to monarchists. And not directed at any individual.
Please show me where I’ve personally insulted anyone directly?

Off the top of my head I’ve been told to keep my gob shut, that I am not a nice person, I lack empathy, humanity and sympathy, that I am an attention seeker, that I lack class, that I’m a toddler having a tantrum (repeated again with some reference to shoes (beats me)), that I’m on my soap box, that I have no respect, jumping up and down, lame protest, in a huff, immature and pathetic, and most recently blowing my own trumpet.
More importantly I have been told to not attend, turn up late, not do anything, hide in the concourse. which are all telling my that I should not register my objection, effectively censoring me.
All because I made a suggestion that tried to leave everyone free to do as they want, without causing grief (other than the mass manufactured kind :wink:) in the stands.
Ive even been told to get off my knees by someone who I guess is of a similar opinion to me but they don’t want to show respect to royalists (no problems with that). I cannae win! Lol
These have all been personal and directed towards me. Not generic.

If I can pull up my big boy pants and struggle through I’m sure everybody else can too.

[Jones28]

Jesus can we put a bullet in this thread and make it stop.

[HNA12]

Jesus can we put a bullet in this thread and make it stop.

it is going round in circles now, time to close it.