Period dignity officer sacked

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62826983

This guy has a strong legal case IMHO. I'm unclear why the role cannot go to a man. Male doctors/medical staff work with women every day and there's no outcry - and this particular role seems more administrative than anything else.

[Moulin Yarns]

The role has been cancelled, it no longer exists. He has not been sacked. In which case he should have been offered an alternative position.

[Mibbes Aye]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62826983

This guy has a strong legal case IMHO. I'm unclear why the role cannot go to a man. Male doctors/medical staff work with women every day and there's no outcry - and this particular role seems more administrative than anything else.

It's a mess of an article and I can only imagine the depths of sheer pointless drivel that heve been plumbed on Twitter about this.

But essentially, equalities legislation does allow people to be employed having or not having a 'protected characteristic' (including sex) if it is an occupational requirement, on the basis of being a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. I don't see how this happened if he was offered the job in the first place.

I noticed that it was a combination of Tayside agencies (councils and FE colleges) behind the post. One of them would have taken the lead on the HR side, recruitment etc and I would be very surprised if the recritment process hadn't been compliant. It's also not uncommon for posts in the statutory sector, voluntary sector and statutory-funded voluntary sector to recruit only from applicants with a particular protected characteristic - Women's Aid, for example, is actually a network of a few dozen local services and groups, generally one per local authority area, and almost all recruit staff on a women-only basis.

[Antifa Hibs]

Hardly surprising considering the pile on and witch hunt for him. Good old equality :aok:

[neil7908]

Not the guys fault but cannot fathom how he was given the job in the first place

[Moulin Yarns]

Not the guys fault but cannot fathom how he was given the job in the first place

Without knowing what the job description was I imagine the interview panel decided that he was the best candidate for the role. The role that they have decided to do away with.

[Stairway 2 7]

Without knowing what the job description was I imagine the interview panel decided that he was the best candidate for the role. The role that they have decided to do away with.

It was his friend that gave him the job. They have done the old trick of making the job redundant to give him the boot and stop all the bad press. No sure what they were thinking giving him the job in this day and age when women are underpaid and promoted.

[Moulin Yarns]

It was his friend that gave him the job. They have done the old trick of making the job redundant to give him the boot and stop all the bad press. No sure what they were thinking giving him the job in this day and age when women are underpaid and promoted.

What? Where is the evidence that his friend gave him the job? Are you suggesting that the interview process wasn't transparent?

[Stairway 2 7]

What? Where is the evidence that his friend gave him the job? Are you suggesting that the interview process wasn't transparent?

It's all over the papers he was the personal trainer and friend of the person who created the job and gave him it. There were many complaints about the process, this obviously happens with thousands of jobs, but this one made the headlines unfortunately for them

[Moulin Yarns]

It's all over the papers he was the personal trainer and friend of the person who created the job and gave him it. There were many complaints about the process, this obviously happens with thousands of jobs, but this one made the headlines unfortunately for them

So, the interview panel, which had representatives from colleges and local authorities just said aye, give it to your pal because he is your personal trainer?!

[Stairway 2 7]

So, the interview panel, which had representatives from colleges and local authorities just said aye, give it to your pal because he is your personal trainer?!

That is what is being accused. It was basically a pr firm that appointed and local gov said they just okayed and didn't appoint him. But even if it was government it would hardly be surprising. I've done interviews as part of government agency and I know exactly who is getting the job and feel terrible for the others going for it. I'm not really arsed about the process I am about the fact of the misogynistic stupid decision to give him it, the world doesn't need more mansplaining

[heretoday]

Not the guys fault but cannot fathom how he was given the job in the first place

Extraordinary decision.

[Moulin Yarns]

It was his friend that gave him the job. They have done the old trick of making the job redundant to give him the boot and stop all the bad press. No sure what they were thinking giving him the job in this day and age when women are underpaid and promoted.


What? Where is the evidence that his friend gave him the job? Are you suggesting that the interview process wasn't transparent?


It's all over the papers he was the personal trainer and friend of the person who created the job and gave him it. There were many complaints about the process, this obviously happens with thousands of jobs, but this one made the headlines unfortunately for them


So, the interview panel, which had representatives from colleges and local authorities just said aye, give it to your pal because he is your personal trainer?!


That is what is being accused. It was basically a pr firm that appointed and local gov said they just okayed and didn't appoint him. But even if it was government it would hardly be surprising. I've done interviews as part of government agency and I know exactly who is getting the job and feel terrible for the others going for it. I'm not really arsed about the process I am about the fact of the misogynistic stupid decision to give him it, the world doesn't need more mansplaining


That's a fair bit of assumption, accusation and libel right there!

All over the papers you say? Considering I live in the area I'm a bit surprised it has passed me by!

[Stairway 2 7]

That's a fair bit of assumption, accusation and libel right there!

All over the papers you say? Considering I live in the area I'm a bit surprised it has passed me by!

Libel 😆 get off the Internet for a bit son. I'll await Dixon of Dock Green

[Moulin Yarns]

Libel 😆 get off the Internet for a bit son. I'll await Dixon of Dock Green

Thanks for pointing me to your 'evidence' which is 'all over the papers'. I'll just take it you were speculating with nothing more than your own prejuduce to back up your claims! :rolleyes:

[superfurryhibby]

Daftie should have self-identified as a woman.

[Stairway 2 7]

Thanks for pointing me to your 'evidence' which is 'all over the papers'. I'll just take it you were speculating with nothing more than your own prejuduce to back up your claims! :rolleyes:

Ive no idea where i read he used to be the personal trainer and friend of the head of the firm that hired him. I'm no really arsed about the whole thing thought it was pretty funny in how ridiculous his appointment was tbh.

It's only misogynistic people like yourself who want people born as males in female sports and also men to tell women about their periods who are unhappy with his sacking. Its a patern of putting women in their place.

[superfurryhibby]

Ive no idea where i read he used to be the personal trainer and friend of the head of the firm that hired him. I'm no really arsed about the whole thing thought it was pretty funny in how ridiculous his appointment was tbh.

It's only misogynistic people like yourself who want people born as males in female sports and also men to tell women about their periods who are unhappy with his sacking. Its a patern of putting women in their place.

Witch, witch, witch.

[He's here!]

Ive no idea where i read he used to be the personal trainer and friend of the head of the firm that hired him. I'm no really arsed about the whole thing thought it was pretty funny in how ridiculous his appointment was tbh.

It's only misogynistic people like yourself who want people born as males in female sports and also men to tell women about their periods who are unhappy with his sacking. Its a patern of putting women in their place.

Not aware of Moulin Yarns being misogynistic but maybe I missed those posts.

There's no question this guy has a strong case. Would his role have been scrapped had he been a woman?

It's an admin/advocacy role and perhaps no bad thing for a man to be fronting it. Understanding of periods and their utterly debilitating/stressful impact is something many men fail to fully appreciate.

[Stairway 2 7]

Not aware of Moulin Yarns being misogynistic but maybe I missed those posts.

There's no question this guy has a strong case. Would his role have been scrapped had he been a woman?

It's an admin/advocacy role and perhaps no bad thing for a man to be fronting it. Understanding of periods and their utterly debilitating/stressful impact is something many men fail to fully appreciate.

It was to do with supporting male born females in female sport and supporting this appointment, both misogyny I believe

It is absurd. He would be going into schools and talking to girls about the difficulties of menstruation in one of his tasks. I wouldn’t want him to be talking to my daughter about her periods when he hasn't got a clue.

He might have a case against the sacking, but it's the fact he got the job in the first place that is shocking. Was there no equally qualified females.

[Moulin Yarns]

It was to do with supporting male born females in female sport and supporting this appointment, both misogyny I believe

It is absurd. He would be going into schools and talking to girls about the difficulties of menstruation in one of his tasks. I wouldn’t want him to be talking to my daughter about her periods when he hasn't got a clue.

He might have a case against the sacking, but it's the fact he got the job in the first place that is shocking. Was there no equally qualified females.

Not if he was a shoe in because his friend gave him the job? 🙄

Even his employers say he was the best candidate.

[Stairway 2 7]

Not if he was a shoe in because his friend gave him the job? 🙄

Even his employers say he was the best candidate.

https://johnsmytheinvestigations.wordpress.com/2022/08/18/different-subject-article-questions-raised-by-the-period-dignity-regional-lead-officer-appointment/

An article on it. The woman that gave him the job had given him his 2 previous jobs. Pictures of them together at the football and other events too. The job was only advertised for 6 days, pretty unheard of for a £35,000 job

[He's here!]

It was to do with supporting male born females in female sport and supporting this appointment, both misogyny I believe

It is absurd. He would be going into schools and talking to girls about the difficulties of menstruation in one of his tasks. I wouldn’t want him to be talking to my daughter about her periods when he hasn't got a clue.

He might have a case against the sacking, but it's the fact he got the job in the first place that is shocking. Was there no equally qualified females.

How do you know he hasn't got a clue?

[Stairway 2 7]

How do you know he hasn't got a clue?

No sure if you're kidding or not

[neil7908]

https://johnsmytheinvestigations.wordpress.com/2022/08/18/different-subject-article-questions-raised-by-the-period-dignity-regional-lead-officer-appointment/

An article on it. The woman that gave him the job had given him his 2 previous jobs. Pictures of them together at the football and other events too. The job was only advertised for 6 days, pretty unheard of for a £35,000 job

Got to be a bit careful about things like this but it does seem odd to have a £36k role advertised for a week.

Hiring someone known internally, who is well liked and capable happens all the time in every single sector, and it's hardly the crime of the century. But they should have realised this was quite a high profile role and been a bit more savvy.

[Keith_M]

This is the guy that put the 'men' into 'menstruation'

[Moulin Yarns]

This is the guy that put the 'men' into 'menstruation'



🤣

[superfurryhibby]

This is the guy that put the 'men' into 'menstruation'



:faf:

In these dark and unprecedented times that fair put a smile on my big daft coupon.

[Spike Mandela]

Sadly, it was his time:greengrin

[He's here!]

No sure if you're kidding or not

Not sure why you think I'd be kidding. The way I read your post you seemed to be saying a man is incapable of understanding the concept of the menstrual cycle and its impact on a woman's life. That's clearly not the case.

[Stairway 2 7]

Not sure why you think I'd be kidding. The way I read your post you seemed to be saying a man is incapable of understanding the concept of the menstrual cycle and its impact on a woman's life. That's clearly not the case.

More the fact he will be going into schools telling young girls the difficulties they will face. Didn't you say trans women shouldn't work in rape crisis ect

[Moulin Yarns]

More the fact he will be going into schools telling young girls the difficulties they will face. Didn't you say trans women shouldn't work in rape crisis ect

And there it is!!!


Totally misunderstanding the role!!

[Jay]

And there it is!!!


Totally misunderstanding the role!!


Can you explain the role? I've been watching this thread and wondering what the actual duties would be?

[wookie70]

Can you explain the role? I've been watching this thread and wondering what the actual duties would be?
From what they said on the radio when he was hired it was mostly Project Management and he had a record in that area. No idea if he the best skills and knowledge but the job certainly didn't need to be done by a woman. It was James O'Brien and he fully admitted he was appalled before realising what the actual role was. Thereafter most callers said the same and I think he restricted the calls to female callers.

[Jay]

It's a terrible job title and not one I'd imagine many men would be thrilled to have but if he was the best candidate and wanted the job then why not. I'm sure any bit of the job where he had to address young girls he could deputise to a woman to make them feel comfortable .

[Stairway 2 7]

It's a terrible job title and not one I'd imagine many men would be thrilled to have but if he was the best candidate and wanted the job then why not. I'm sure any bit of the job where he had to address young girls he could, deputise to a woman to make them feel comfortable .

Point is he couldn't it was his role to go round and talk to people people about period issues in one of his roles. Did they think there wouldn't be issues with him going round schools talking to little girls about the different options on sanitary wear which was another role. How could he say which ones felt comfortable worked better ect.

Was there not one female equally qualified. Well it was advertised less than a week so they would never know and his friend had obviously wanted him to get the job. The word is tough for women, underpaid and overlooked for promotion constantly.

It's a shame because it made cnn, new york times, cosmopolitan, grazia, der speigel, the China morning Post. Women are furious and Scotland should be seen around the world like this. The actual program free sanitary products is world beating brilliant by the government and got good press round the world.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/health/a40915983/man-period-dignity-officer-backlash/#r3z-addoor

[Stairway 2 7]

And there it is!!!


Totally misunderstanding the role!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1559471636180615169?s=21&t=Eh4fapnVxrkDLpFrYN150g

The role says he will be engaging with young people.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Dogglesandmogg1/status/1559638040942870532
Here he is with a nice red t-shirt talking to young Angel Gilbert about the product she can use.


I asked my daughter and she says she couldn't think of anything worse than talking to a young man about periods, also some of her friends culturally wouldn't be allowed. Others will have suffered abuse and find it difficult. But as usual men no what's best for women

[Hibrandenburg]

Point is he couldn't it was his role to go round and talk to people people about period issues in one of his roles. Did they think there wouldn't be issues with him going round schools talking to little girls about the different options on sanitary wear which was another role. How could he say which ones felt comfortable worked better ect.

Was there not one female equally qualified. Well it was advertised less than a week so they would never know and his friend had obviously wanted him to get the job. The word is tough for women, underpaid and overlooked for promotion constantly.

It's a shame because it made cnn, new york times, cosmopolitan, grazia, der speigel, the China morning Post. Women are furious and Scotland should be seen around the world like this. The actual program free sanitary products is world beating brilliant by the government and got good press round the world.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/health/a40915983/man-period-dignity-officer-backlash/#r3z-addoor

If we're going to move to true gender equality, then surely at some point in time, men will have to take up roles that traditionally or practically would normally be filled by women. It would be hypocritical to say that women can do any job a man can do but not allow men the same privilege. Women don't need a ***** to become urologists so why should it be a requirement for the period dignity officer to have a womb?

[neil7908]

https://mobile.twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1559471636180615169?s=21&t=Eh4fapnVxrkDLpFrYN150g

The role says he will be engaging with young people.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Dogglesandmogg1/status/1559638040942870532
Here he is with a nice red t-shirt talking to young Angel Gilbert about the product she can use.


I asked my daughter and she says she couldn't think of anything worse than talking to a young man about periods, also some of her friends culturally wouldn't be allowed. Others will have suffered abuse and find it difficult. But as usual men no what's best for women

I think your last paragraph is spot on and what is lost in all of the posts on this defending the appointment.

I do feel sorry for the guy, don't think he's done anything wrong but he should never have been put in this position in the first place.

The role seems to include some project/admin work but if it is the case he would be talking to young women/girls about period products then as you say, it will put some off engaging with the service. And surely the whole point of the role is to educate and provide them with the best possible service?

[Stairway 2 7]

If we're going to move to true gender equality, then surely at some point in time, men will have to take up roles that traditionally or practically would normally be filled by women. It would be hypocritical to say that women can do any job a man can do but not allow men the same privilege. Women don't need a ***** to become urologists so why should it be a requirement for the period dignity officer to have a womb?

There are some jobs that are already protected and always will be. Sexual abuse officers for example. Mumsnet had a poll with over 50,000 people, 90% said it should be protected for women also. But father knows best I suppose

[Hibrandenburg]

There are some jobs that are already protected and always will be. Sexual abuse officers for example. Mumsnet had a poll with over 50,000 people, 90% said it should be protected for women also. But father knows best I suppose

Gender equality gone mad, we've even got a man as Queen.

[Moulin Yarns]

The job description





Accountabilities / Areas of Responsibility





To develop and implement a project plan in collaboration with the educational institutions and Local Authorities.


2. To deliver the vision, aspirations and transformations in awareness, engagement, culture and inclusiveness which underpins the Period Product Act.



Develop strong, positive working relationships with all members of the Working Group to gather localised information on a regular basis, ready to report and promote.




Coordinate marketing campaigns to raise awareness of our regional approach to eradicating period poverty, creating a strong and consistent media presence (social and traditional media) to normalise and make visible.




Coordinate the creation of a project landing page, gathering and providing all necessary information relating to the availability and location of products in our communities, associated activities and opportunities and links to nationwide information.




Provide support to the project team in identifying, developing and facilitating events and activities that engage our communities and young people, creating opportunities for learning, networking, and accessing free products, (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access and reducing the stigma around menstruation and period products.




Represent the project team on all period poverty arrangements, processes and outcomes related to our regional activity with internal and external partners.




Develop and monitor milestones and timelines for the overall project and individual activities.




Report on a regular basis to the project team and key partners on progress, developments, and challenges including identification of any shortfall in provision and solutions




Work in different environments (both office based and outreach), at times best suited to the community (including some evenings).




Other duties as required or as determined through project developments.




Ensuring that all tasks are carried out in accordance with the College health and safety policy and procedures to maintain a safe working environment.










I can't see anywhere that the post would be fronting explanations or demonstration of the use of products. The role seems to be more as a facilitator and support to the wider team.

[neil7908]

If we're going to move to true gender equality, then surely at some point in time, men will have to take up roles that traditionally or practically would normally be filled by women. It would be hypocritical to say that women can do any job a man can do but not allow men the same privilege. Women don't need a ***** to become urologists so why should it be a requirement for the period dignity officer to have a womb?

In terms of gender equality, I think considering how men can be helped to get jobs should be so far down the list of priorities it's not even relevant. I laugh at people getting annoyed at this when we are still decades away from ending the gender pay gap.

If this is just an admin/project management role then I agree there should be no issue with a man doing the job. This would be the equivalent to a female urologist.

If he's engaging with young women and giving advice on sanitary products etc then can't see how anyone would think he is the most qualified candidate.

The short closing date for the job is a massive red flag to. I work in a similar sector and would never get away with putting out a role on that salary for just over a week. In fact, the only time I would imagine that happening is when you already knew who would be getting the role...

[Moulin Yarns]

In terms of gender equality, I think considering how men can be helped to get jobs should be so far down the list of priorities it's not even relevant. I laugh at people getting annoyed at this when we are still decades away from ending the gender pay gap.

If this is just an admin/project management role then I agree there should be no issue with a man doing the job. This would be the equivalent to a female urologist.

If he's engaging with young women and giving advice on sanitary products etc then can't see how anyone would think he is the most qualified candidate.

The short closing date for the job is a massive red flag to. I work in a similar sector and would never get away with putting out a role on that salary for just over a week. In fact, the only time I would imagine that happening is when you already knew who would be getting the role...

Been there! Having to try and pee in front a female urology nurse is not exactly fun.

[neil7908]

The job description




I can't see anywhere that the post would be fronting explanations or demonstration of the use of products. The role seems to be more as a facilitator and support to the wider team.

I would suggest that the below could all potentially involve face to face engagement with young women:

To deliver the vision, aspirations and transformations in awareness, engagement, culture and inclusiveness which underpins the Period Product Act.

Provide support to the project team in identifying, developing and facilitating events and activities that engage our communities and young people, creating opportunities for learning, networking, and accessing free products

Work in different environments (both office based and outreach), at times best suited to the community (including some evenings).

Also, in one of the photos used to publicise the appointment he's literally sitting with a teenage girl and her mother showing them a range of period products!!!

[007]

After he's been off for a week he'll be reinstated for 3 weeks then sacked for a week...

[He's here!]

The job description




I can't see anywhere that the post would be fronting explanations or demonstration of the use of products. The role seems to be more as a facilitator and support to the wider team.

That was the impression I was under. To equate this with the furore over a trans woman potentially working with victims of rape seems quite a stretch.

[Stairway 2 7]

That was the impression I was under. To equate this with the furore over a trans woman potentially working with victims of rape seems quite a stretch.

There has been a freedom of information request for the full job description as the Council refused to release it. But hes literally showing a young girl different products in the press picture.

It reminds me of last year when people were unhappy when a white person got the job in London, it was to talk about discrimination of people of colour.

White people and male rights don't need addressed, we need push females into jobs as they are so underrepresented

[Hibrandenburg]

In terms of gender equality, I think considering how men can be helped to get jobs should be so far down the list of priorities it's not even relevant. I laugh at people getting annoyed at this when we are still decades away from ending the gender pay gap.

If this is just an admin/project management role then I agree there should be no issue with a man doing the job. This would be the equivalent to a female urologist.

If he's engaging with young women and giving advice on sanitary products etc then can't see how anyone would think he is the most qualified candidate.

The short closing date for the job is a massive red flag to. I work in a similar sector and would never get away with putting out a role on that salary for just over a week. In fact, the only time I would imagine that happening is when you already knew who would be getting the role...

It's not about helping men get jobs. If gender equality is the goal then surely it applies to men too. Men will probably have to have very intimate discussions with female professionals about things like infertility or impotence and it's already generally accepted although I'd guess many men might feel incredibly uncomfortable doing so.

I'm a great supporter of equality, not just amongst men and women but also across the board. Equality can only happen if it works both ways.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's not about helping men get jobs. If gender equality is the goal then surely it applies to men too. Men will probably have to have very intimate discussions with female professionals about things like infertility or impotence and it's already generally accepted although I'd guess many men might feel incredibly uncomfortable doing so.

I'm a great supporter of equality, not just amongst men and women but also across the board. Equality can only happen if it works both ways.

No the goal isnt equality in all jobs,as I've said there is many jobs where it's in law that it can be same sex. It screams of white lives matter too you know. Ian Blackford to his credit said this job should be for a woman.