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Jonnyboy
03-09-2022, 07:30 PM
I’m sitting here in front of a blank screen wondering how on earth I’m going to be able to offer up a reasonable summary of a game we won 1-0 but could and should have won by four or five. I’ll give it a try but I’m still reeling from the fact that we struggled once again in all areas of the park, excepting goalkeeper but more of that later.

Prior to the game, Jamie McAllister stated that we would be lively from the off, energetic throughout and hungry for goals and although we’ve heard all of that before I was encouraged that we started the game in that fashion. Inside the first five minutes we had a Campbell shot blocked and then a Youan effort, fed by Henderson, sliding wide of the post. Then, a fantastic turn and pass from Kenneh saw Youan free and the striker hit his shot hard enough but sadly straight at Walker in the Killie goal. Barely a minute later, Cadden fired in a cross that was helped on by Youan before reaching Henderson at the back post, but the Hibs man contrived to fire his effort over the bar with the goal gaping.

Hibs were stretching the Killie back four by having Boyle and Youan in wide positions and Josh Campbell, at times, like a false nine as he rushed into the middle whenever those two wide players were in possession. Killie were offering little in an attacking sense, but Oli Shaw did have a chance that he fired over the bar. Within seconds of that, Porteous chipped a lovely pass over the back of the Killie defenders and as Boyle reached the ball and took a good touch, he was hauled down by Ash Taylor. At first, I thought Boyle was in the box, but referee Beaton gave a free kick right on the edge before showing Taylor a straight red card. I suppose at least one of those decisions was correct. With Porteous hovering over the ball it was a ruse and Newell struck a left footed shot which rebounded straight back to him allowing for a second effort which flew into the net with Walker flat footed.

A shell shocked Killie immediately made it their mission to get everyone behind the ball and to put challenges in on our wide men. From one such challenge, by Power on Boyle, the Killie man was booked. David Marshall was largely a spectator at that point but had to be on his toes to deal with a snap shot from Wright. In close order, Campbell just missed to the right and then Kenneh was unlucky to see a fierce strike fly just past the post with Walker merely a spectator. Henderson was next to try his luck, but the ball sailed over the bar. Newell tried from a Cadden pass but missed the target whilst Boyle got a shot between the posts but right at the keeper.

For reasons I find hard to explain, Hibs reverted to slow predictive play and Killie were able to be a bit more adventurous. Shaw fired over the bar then Power almost freed a man, but Cabraja was wise to the attempt and intercepted. The crowd were getting a bit restless now; frustrated at the slow build up from the back and at a number of misplaced passes by both Porteous and Hanlon. At the half time break I suggested that I’d replace Henderson with McKirdy on the basis that Ewan was not at his best in a wide position whilst McKirdy would add something different to our attacking play. That very change was not made at the break but took place five minutes into the half.

Ten man Killie had a decent chance to level from a corner, but Wright couldn’t keep his shot down and the ball cleared the bar by some distance. Next, Porteous freed Boyle down the right before hurrying into the box to meet Martin’s cross but his powerful header was tipped over the bar. Moments later, Youan couldn’t get enough power on a far post header to beat Walker in the Killie goal.

Hibs were motoring again and in an unbelievable sequence of events they created four clear cut chances, but none were converted. Campbell and Hanlon had shots blocked whilst Youan and McKirdy saw headed efforts fail to find the target. With around twenty five minutes left, Stevenson and Doyle-Hayes replaced Cabraja and Campbell, the latter’s withdrawal surprising me somewhat as Josh had been having a good game. Soon after, Killie made a couple of changes of their own with Lafferty and Murray replacing Shaw and Innes. Within seconds of his arrival, Lafferty was up to his usual antics in trying to wind up Hibs defenders and Porteous in particular.

Those changes did have a positive effect as both Power and Armstrong had attempts having been set up by Lafferty and Chrisene respectively. Right after that, Boyle freed Youan but the resulting shot flew just wide of the far post. Next, Boyle seemed to have been tripped and as he landed, he collected the ball in his hands, resulting in a yellow card from John Beaton. Moments later, Porteous was running with the ball and Lafferty clattered into him with both going down, Lafferty holding his face. Both were booked and as it unfolded straight in front of me, I reflected that maybe Ryan was a tad fortunate because he did catch Lafferty, if only slightly.

Hibs were getting a bit nervy and Killie a bit more adventurous as Murray saw a shot fly wide. To be fair to Hibs they were pressing for a second and that helped the nervousness at the back as players were flooding forward. The number of decent chances Hibs were creating was incredible and yet they could not finish any of them. Youan, Boyle, Doyle-Hayes and Newell all should have done better but the most glaring miss of all fell to Bojang who had replaced Youan up top. A ball out of defence was flicked on by Newell who was bashed into by McKenzie. Rightly, Beaton played advantage and Bojang raced clear with only the keeper to beat and Boyle alongside him if he chose to pass. He didn’t and instead fluffed a left footed shot that was so under hit it barely reached the keeper. Beaton then went back and rightly booked McKenzie.

Killie’s small band of fans were roaring their team on and when the visitors won a late corner, keeper Walker rushed up to join in, but Marshall easily handled the delivery and set Hibs free again. In the dying seconds, Newell tried to pick out McKirdy in the box, but Joe’s hurried pass struck McKirdy on his standing leg and the new guy was denied a chance of a debut goal.

It was three points, but boy did we have to labour through it, due to a collection of good chances being passed up. I honestly believe that if we’d taken even half of those chances, we’d have won three or four nil.

The players – Had he played the full ninety I’d have been tempted to pick Josh Campbell, but he didn’t, so I’m left with two possibles in Newell and Boyle. Given his goal I’ll plump for Newell.

Marshall – Hardly involved throughout but saved well when the need arose. I remain impressed with his quick and accurate distribution of the ball.

Cadden – His play of late has dropped in standard a bit but he looked to be getting back to his best again.

Porteous – This is a toughie for me. His pass to Boyle that resulted in the free kick and his give and go header in the second half were impressive but there were too many poor passes and the odd ‘hospital’ pass in the ninety minutes.

Hanlon – Looked better than he has since returning from injury, but he makes my blood boil when he insists on backing away and backing away as an opponent approaches.

Cabraja – A solid enough performance but didn’t get many crosses into their box. Maybe because there was no obvious target to aim at.

Newell – Joe took his goal really well but could have had a hat trick if only he would take on chances with his right foot. Passed up two such opportunities today.

Kenneh – Back in the team and for the most part he performed well. I thought I could detect him pushing forward more and hitting forward passes.

Boyle – As usual he caused opposing players all sorts of problems and in my view was unlucky to get booked.

Campbell – His engine is awesome and the number of times he bust a gut to get in the box when the wide men had the ball was impressive.

Henderson – Wide left just doesn’t work for him and he seems to be making a habit of missing very good chances in front of goal.

Youan – Once he gets a goal, he’ll start to hit the target more often. Needs to lift his head though as beating several defenders at close quarters is nice to see but gains us nothing.

McKirdy – The lad doesn’t lack confidence, that’s for sure and he showed enough mobility and a bit of trickery to leave me wanting to see more.

Doyle-Hayes – Didn’t get forward as much as the man he replaced

Stevenson – Lewis was just Lewis – solid.

Bojang – I’m lost for words, to be honest.

Jamie McAllister – Will be happy with the outcome

Referee – John Beaton, at least for him, had a pretty uneventful afternoon because the sending off and various bookings were uncontested.

easty
03-09-2022, 07:32 PM
I definitely think Boyle was unfortunate to get booked. It looked a foul to me.

Blaster
03-09-2022, 08:39 PM
Porteous needs to get back to basics. Some very good passes first half then 2nd half gets involved in nonsense. Potential to be a great player if he screws the nut.

Hanlon better today and Stevenson shored us up late on.

Saint Hibee
03-09-2022, 09:08 PM
Happy with the three points, but God, that was a tough watch.

NAE NOOKIE
03-09-2022, 09:21 PM
Good summary of the game. It's incredible, not to say worrying, that we could still have drawn that game after making so many chances, we seriously need to get a grip in front of goal.

Marshall ..... Was his usual reliable self and the speed with which he looks to part with the ball could do to be replicated by a few of his team mates.

Cadden ..... Decent enough game without doing anything special.

Porteous .... My annoyance at him this season continues, some of his passing is just lazy and he needs to get a grip, has there been a game this season where he hasn't needlessly given the ball away?

Hanlon .... Solid enough game where he did little wrong and a couple of decent things defensively.

Cabraja ... Made two or three very good interceptions and had a decent game, not sure why he was subbed.

Kenneh ... Had a solid game, happy to see him back in the team.

Newell .... My mom as well, was busy throughout and played some good passes .... as the OP said at least twice it opened up for him to shoot from 18 yards and both times he passed it up preferring to pass instead ... he probably scored because he didn't have time to think, he practically had to hit it ... still a good game from him.

Henderson ... His passing was awful at times and simply proved yet again why it's a waste of time playing him on the left, should have done better than allowing himself to be tackled when put through on goal.

Campbell .... Very industrious and can be happy with his afternoons work.

Boyle ... Decent enough game and was always trying to get himself or the ball into the box ... should have had a pen, he looked about a yard inside the box when he was fouled for the sending off.

Youan ... Did OK but another goalless game for him and yet again didn't even test the keeper from a very good position.

SUBS:

McKirdy ... Certainly looks like an entertainer, willing to try stuff that might not come off, shows for the ball all the time and looks energetic ... will be annoyed he didn't do better with his header, but that was in line with the rest of our misfiring forwards. Like the OP he did enough for me that I want to see more of him.

JDH .... Didn't improve us much.

Stevenson .... Solid and did some good stuff defensively as we allowed Killie to get far further up the pitch than we should have with a man extra.

Bojang ... What the hell can you say? One on one isn't always as easy as it looks, but you have to do bloody better than pass back to their keeper ... that was an awful attempt.

At the end of the day it was a win, but it should have been far more comfortable than it was, we will have to be far more at it when we go to Tannadice.

Key West
03-09-2022, 09:37 PM
Excellent summary.

O'Rourke3
03-09-2022, 09:41 PM
Great stuff as always.
IMO Hendo's miss was aided by a clear foul, pushed as he tried to get to the ball at an already awkward height.
Porto needs to stop running 30 yards before discovering there's no one to pass to when there were options if he played passes quickly.
I thought Boyler was clearly in the box but haven't seen it back yet.
Biggest surprise or me was about 35 mins when Killie stopped putting everyone behind the ball and tried to go forward. So McInnes unlike who was safety first and live off scraps at Aberdeen.

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Cat Stanton
03-09-2022, 09:54 PM
Thanks as always.

Thought we were awful against 10 men. 'Labourerd' is the correct description.

In a better league, Porteous would cost us at least a goal a game with his awful, awful passes and decision making.

Aaaaanyway, three points, upwards and onwards!

AZhibee
03-09-2022, 10:49 PM
Thanks Jonnyboy

hibeejeebies
03-09-2022, 10:57 PM
Missed the game today so appreciated this JB 👍🏻

Hibs1992
04-09-2022, 01:49 AM
Agree with most of this but surprised you rated Campbell so highly. Thought he spent large parts of the game standing directly beside a Killie player rather than finding space and showing for the ball.

Youan has fantastic movement and speed but his decision making is pretty terrible at the minute. Definitely needs a goal to settle down.

Colr
04-09-2022, 07:04 AM
McAllister said “We created a lot of chances and just missed the final bit of quality in the final third.“

Frankly, that could be the team motto.

Since452
04-09-2022, 07:19 AM
We are going to end up giving a team a doing. We create loads of chances and it's going to fall in to place one of these days.

Jones28
04-09-2022, 07:22 AM
Sounds like a lot of people are writing Bojang off without any consideration as to where he’s come from.

Thanks as usual JB.

Alfred E Newman
04-09-2022, 07:35 AM
A pretty good summary Johnny.
I enjoyed the first 10 mins when we started at a good pace for a change and it looked like being a good open game but the sending off killed the game as a spectacle for me. I'm relieved we scored from the free kick because after Killie went into a defensive shell we would have struggled to score as we do when teams sit in.
Like you I don't understand the pedestrian pace but a welcome 3 points all the same.

Paulie Walnuts
04-09-2022, 08:05 AM
Agree with most of this but surprised you rated Campbell so highly. Thought he spent large parts of the game standing directly beside a Killie player rather than finding space and showing for the ball.

Youan has fantastic movement and speed but his decision making is pretty terrible at the minute. Definitely needs a goal to settle down.

Agree with Campbell. I can’t think of many more anonymous performances than his yesterday. He wasn’t even particularly bad as such, he just seemed to do absolutely nothing.

Green_one
04-09-2022, 08:30 AM
McAllister said “We created a lot of chances and just missed the final bit of quality in the final third.“

Frankly, that could be the team motto.

Thought we would kick on against 10 men in the second half. Instead Kellie became emboldened. Too many players contribute too little and up front there is no real threat bar Boyle. I found it a pretty depressing afternoon apart from Marshall, Hanlon and Boyle. Need to see more of McKirdy

We are clearly going to struggle this season until some players return from injury

MWHIBBIES
04-09-2022, 08:32 AM
I think the most important part of yesterday was we started so well. Kilmarnock are a stuffy team and the longer it went on, the happier they would've been. We started brilliantly, totally ruined their game plan and ultimately skooshed the 3 points.

Since452
04-09-2022, 08:37 AM
I think the most important part of yesterday was we started so well. Kilmarnock are a stuffy team and the longer it went on, the happier they would've been. We started brilliantly, totally ruined their game plan and ultimately skooshed the 3 points.

Agree. Finally got an early goal and something to hold on to.

Alfred E Newman
04-09-2022, 08:46 AM
Agree with Campbell. I can’t think of many more anonymous performances than his yesterday. He wasn’t even particularly bad as such, he just seemed to do absolutely nothing.

You obviously don't rate the guy but these comments are ridiculous.

Tyler Durden
04-09-2022, 09:30 AM
You obviously don't rate the guy but these comments are ridiculous.

I agree with his comments. Campbell did next to nothing and doesn’t seem to have the positional awareness to play as a 10.

He seemed to just stand next to Youan a fair amount rather than go and find some space to get on the ball. Anonymous is an appropriate description IMO

B.H.F.C
04-09-2022, 09:35 AM
I agree with his comments. Campbell did next to nothing and doesn’t seem to have the positional awareness to play as a 10.

He seemed to just stand next to Youan a fair amount rather than go and find some space to get on the ball. Anonymous is an appropriate description IMO

I’ll second that. Plenty of running and plenty of endeavour, but he was in there as our number 10 yesterday and offered absolutely zero with the ball.

PeeJay
04-09-2022, 10:48 AM
Good read as ever with interesting views. We are far too slow and "laboured" in our build up and we have too many players who do not look for a better positioned team mate and end up sending a weak effort goalward: it's a team game, in that final third we need to start looking for better options, instead of wasting so many chances ... 3 points is more than welcome, of course.

Newell had a decent game and McKirdy looks a lively one, but time will tell ...

Tambo
04-09-2022, 10:56 AM
I think the most important part of yesterday was we started so well. Kilmarnock are a stuffy team and the longer it went on, the happier they would've been. We started brilliantly, totally ruined their game plan and ultimately skooshed the 3 points.

Yes looked to get forward straight from kick off which is always what we need at home and even the first ten minutes when Killie had the ball we controlled the game.

Just refreshing to put in a good performance and get the 3 points.

Tambo
04-09-2022, 11:00 AM
Good read as ever with interesting views. We are far too slow and "laboured" in our build up and we have too many players who do not look for a better positioned team mate and end up sending a weak effort goalward: it's a team game, in that final third we need to start looking for better options, instead of wasting so many chances ... 3 points is more than welcome, of course.

Newell had a decent game and McKirdy looks a lively one, but time will tell ...

I do think we need to switch it up at times when teams start to sit deep and we need to break them down.

At times it was just Porteous walking up half the pitch with the ball and trying the breakthrough pass, that's the only time it felt slow to me with the ball.

Good pass through for Boyle to run on to though it just ain't going to work every time.

Goal difference now at 0 so we need to add to that and we have a few games coming up where we could finally put away all these chances.

brog
04-09-2022, 11:41 AM
I'm surprised at the continuing negativity about Porteous. Essentially he won us the game yesterday with his superb pass to Boyle. He then produced a similar pass to Cadden which could have resulted in a goal. In 2nd half he set Boyle free and then probably produced our 2nd best attempt on target. Yes there were some misplaced passes but IMO he broke the lines and drove us forward more than anyone in our midfield. I have no doubt he's following instructions when hitting these long balls out of defence. Incidentally Stuart Lovell was very complimentary about his passing ability.
Thanks as ever John.

Allant1981
04-09-2022, 11:45 AM
I'm surprised at the continuing negativity about Porteous. Essentially he won us the game yesterday with his superb pass to Boyle. He then produced a similar pass to Cadden which could have resulted in a goal. In 2nd half he set Boyle free and then probably produced our 2nd best attempt on target. Yes there were some misplaced passes but IMO he broke the lines and drove us forward more than anyone in our midfield. I have no doubt he's following instructions when hitting these long balls out of defence. Incidentally Stuart Lovell was very complimentary about his passing ability.
Thanks as ever John.

I didn't think he was as bad yesterday as some are making out, a couple of crappy passes but didn't really do anything wrong defensively

NAE NOOKIE
04-09-2022, 01:46 PM
Thought we would kick on against 10 men in the second half. Instead Kellie became emboldened. Too many players contribute too little and up front there is no real threat bar Boyle. I found it a pretty depressing afternoon apart from Marshall, Hanlon and Boyle. Need to see more of McKirdy

We are clearly going to struggle this season until some players return from injury

Indeed mate, it was concerning just how much room a team with 10 men found to play through our midfield, not just lumping the ball forward but passing it around, so much so we were forced into last man tackles or interceptions more than a few times .... McAllister mentioned us failing to control the game and that's exactly what he was talking about.

You are right about a lack of threat as well. We have an absolute pile of forwards, but not a single one of quality. If Hibs need any alarm bells to ring it has to be that Boyle aside, who isn't even a striker, all of our goals this season have come from a midfield that has a history of failing to chip in .... Campbell 2, Kenneh 1, Newell 1

This for me is an open door for our new Ukranian lad .... if he can play as a central striker he should walk straight into the team ... which will be a shame for Melkersen because for the life of me I can't see why with his obviously decent movement he hasn't at least been given one game to play centrally.

We seem to be back to square pegs in round holes again .... how many games will it take for us to accept that Henderson can't play on the left, or that Melkersen is wasted out wide.

JammyDoidger
04-09-2022, 02:21 PM
Indeed mate, it was concerning just how much room a team with 10 men found to play through our midfield, not just lumping the ball forward but passing it around, so much so we were forced into last man tackles or interceptions more than a few times .... McAllister mentioned us failing to control the game and that's exactly what he was talking about.

You are right about a lack of threat as well. We have an absolute pile of forwards, but not a single one of quality. If Hibs need any alarm bells to ring it has to be that Boyle aside, who isn't even a striker, all of our goals this season have come from a midfield that has a history of failing to chip in .... Campbell 2, Kenneh 1, Newell 1

This for me is an open door for our new Ukranian lad .... if he can play as a central striker he should walk straight into the team ... which will be a shame for Melkersen because for the life of me I can't see why with his obviously decent movement he hasn't at least been given one game to play centrally.

We seem to be back to square pegs in round holes again .... how many games will it take for us to accept that Henderson can't play on the left, or that Melkersen is wasted out wide.

Spot on. Youan isn't a central striker, wish we would stop playing him there. Him on the left Boyle on the right would be a threat, Melkerson's movement is his best attribute, his goals against motherwell and in pre season were through sharp movement getting infront of his marker. If Mckirdy, Boyle and Youan are on the park, Mckirdy should play through the middle purely because he's the most instinctive finisher.

JimBHibees
04-09-2022, 02:26 PM
I'm surprised at the continuing negativity about Porteous. Essentially he won us the game yesterday with his superb pass to Boyle. He then produced a similar pass to Cadden which could have resulted in a goal. In 2nd half he set Boyle free and then probably produced our 2nd best attempt on target. Yes there were some misplaced passes but IMO he broke the lines and drove us forward more than anyone in our midfield. I have no doubt he's following instructions when hitting these long balls out of defence. Incidentally Stuart Lovell was very complimentary about his passing ability.
Thanks as ever John.

Personally thought he and Hanlon were very good yesterday while appreciating we were playing against ten for most of the game.

BILLYHIBS
04-09-2022, 02:29 PM
I'm surprised at the continuing negativity about Porteous. Essentially he won us the game yesterday with his superb pass to Boyle. He then produced a similar pass to Cadden which could have resulted in a goal. In 2nd half he set Boyle free and then probably produced our 2nd best attempt on target. Yes there were some misplaced passes but IMO he broke the lines and drove us forward more than anyone in our midfield. I have no doubt he's following instructions when hitting these long balls out of defence. Incidentally Stuart Lovell was very complimentary about his passing ability.
Thanks as ever John.

Agree with this more or less

Brilliant ball through to Boyle but tends to over hit 10 yard simple passes and dally’s at the back giving square balls or standing on the ball giving the opposition a chance to find their shape and regroup

Anyway leaving the Stadium and in the pubs post match yesterday I kept hearing ‘ looks as though he disnae want to be here’ ‘ thinks he is better than he is’

Maybe it is his demeanour

Maybe he needs to score kiss the badge and get back on track

Yesterday was one of his better games

O'Rourke3
04-09-2022, 09:17 PM
Agree with this more or less

Brilliant ball through to Boyle but tends to over hit 10 yard simple passes and dally’s at the back giving square balls or standing on the ball giving the opposition a chance to find their shape and regroup

Anyway leaving the Stadium and in the pubs post match yesterday I kept hearing ‘ looks as though he disnae want to be here’ ‘ thinks he is better than he is’

Maybe it is his demeanour

Maybe he needs to score kiss the badge and get back on track

Yesterday was one of his better gamesRyan is not having a banner season but his issues do not include commitment. Twice yesterday in runs forward, most obvious when he played right winger, there was huge centre half gap where they broke quickly into after his cross was intercepted. He needs to understand he's not the playmaker. He insists on running with the ball, which ends up as you say, with no space to play into.

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BoomtownHibees
04-09-2022, 09:20 PM
Ryan is not having a banner season but his issues do not include commitment. Twice yesterday in runs forward, most obvious when he played right winger, there was huge centre half gap where they broke quickly into after his cross was intercepted. He needs to understand he's not the playmaker. He insists on running with the ball, which ends up as you say, with no space to play into.

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I think the ‘playmaker’ part comes from us not having one in midfield

Paulie Walnuts
04-09-2022, 09:22 PM
You obviously don't rate the guy but these comments are ridiculous.

Care to tell me why they’re ridiculous? What did he do well? I forgot he was on the pitch for most of the game. When JDH was coming in I presumed it would be for Kenneh as I completely forgot about Campbell.

Liam978
05-09-2022, 04:39 PM
Care to tell me why they’re ridiculous? What did he do well? I forgot he was on the pitch for most of the game. When JDH was coming in I presumed it would be for Kenneh as I completely forgot about Campbell.

Have to agree with you Stubbsy, dont want to play down a young player but he brought nothing to the plate on Saturday. Beginniing to think Johnnyboy that you and Josh are related.

Jonnyboy
05-09-2022, 04:54 PM
Have to agree with you Stubbsy, dont want to play down a young player but he brought nothing to the plate on Saturday. Beginniing to think Johnnyboy that you and Josh are related.

We’re not 🤣

I think those who suggested he was poor against Killie just have a different opinion to me. In that game he was the midfield player getting up the park to support the wide men and not ‘hiding’ as some have accused him of in the past.

As I say, my opinion differs from others which for me is a good thing ✅

Liam978
05-09-2022, 05:10 PM
We’re not 🤣

I think those who suggested he was poor against Killie just have a different opinion to me. In that game he was the midfield player getting up the park to support the wide men and not ‘hiding’ as some have accused him of in the past.

As I say, my opinion differs from others which for me is a good thing ✅

Fair point JC, always look forward to your posts, and no offence intended.

Jonnyboy
05-09-2022, 05:24 PM
Fair point JC, always look forward to your posts, and no offence intended.

None taken. All good 👍

JimBHibees
06-09-2022, 05:46 AM
We’re not 🤣

I think those who suggested he was poor against Killie just have a different opinion to me. In that game he was the midfield player getting up the park to support the wide men and not ‘hiding’ as some have accused him of in the past.

As I say, my opinion differs from others which for me is a good thing ✅

Agree don't think he was poor worked hard as usual usually creating space for others.