Jack Ross Sacked

[JGS56]

As it says in the title - Jack sacked

[Greencore]

Definitely a shoe in for open all mics.

[The Spaceman]

Couldn’t have gone any worse for him really - shows we were right to get rid (which I wasn’t for at the time!). Unable to turn around successive minging results/prone to a total collapse. Likeable guy though and wish him well.

[007]

No surprise. Now which of their players should we go for? 🤔 They can't all be failures.

[SHODAN]

Played: 7

Won: 1
Drawn: 1
Lost: 5

Goals for: 3
Goals against: 25

[hibsbollah]

‘see I telt yez aw the time he was gash’…

[Northernhibee]

No surprise. Now which of their players should we go for? �� They can't all be failures.

Ian Harkes.

[jeffers]

Along with Parker, it’s not been a good day for cardigan aficionados.

[Northernhibee]

Along with Parker, it’s not been a good day for cardigan aficionados.
He must wish he could erase and rewind.

[SickBoy32]

Couldn’t have gone any worse for him really - shows we were right to get rid (which I wasn’t for at the time!). Unable to turn around successive minging results/prone to a total collapse. Likeable guy though and wish him well.

Not sure JR's struggles at Tannadice have any bearing whatsover on his time at ER, and certainly don't prove that we were right to sack him

The direction of travel for Hibs has continued pretty consistently since we dumped him just before a cup final (yes that really did happen!!) - so not sure we have yet addressed the real issues which are dragging us down

I wonder when we will next have a top flight Hibernian manager with an approx 50% win rate...

[jeffers]

He must wish he could erase and rewind.

Not sure at the moment football will be their favourite game.

[Trinity Hibee]

Ian Harkes.

Haha hope that’s a joke

[Northernhibee]

Haha hope that’s a joke
Decent player. United fans I know rate him.

[Iain G]

He must wish he could erase and rewind.

Guessing they Celtic match wasn't his favourite game...

[Trinity Hibee]

Decent player. United fans I know rate him.

Every time I have seen him he is a passenger. Certainly not good enough for us

[Since452]

Shambles. Players need to take some responsibility no? Hope they get relegeted.

[04Sauzee]

Decent player. United fans I know rate him.

I don't know any Utd fans but everyone I see his name pop up on socials it appears they don't rate him highly, but that's probably just twitter for you.

[Northernhibee]

Would take Nicky Clark too. Not a groundbreaking signing but a steady striker who’s scored goals at this level and knows the league.

[Scorrie]

No surprise. Now which of their players should we go for? 🤔 They can't all be failures.

Mulgrew

[Unseen work]

7 games is ruthless, albeit it’s been a shocking start.

9-0 and 7-0 defeats leads to questions about the players for me though. Some of the goals they’ve conceded have been brutal and not something you could blame Ross for imo.

Wonder if he’s ‘lost the changing room”, there were rumours previously of Watt and Mulgrew falling out with Ross.

[Lago]

As it says in the title - Jack sacked
Inevitable

[Northernhibee]

7 games is ruthless, albeit it’s been a shocking start.

9-0 and 7-0 defeats leads to questions about the players for me though. Some of the goals they’ve conceded have been brutal and not something you could blame Ross for imo.

Wonder if he’s ‘lost the changing room”, there were rumours previously of Watt and Mulgrew falling out with Ross.
In the opening minutes of both those games they’ve stayed reasonably and as soon as the first or second goal has gone in they’ve given up, or so it would seem.

[Pretty Boy]

Dundee Utd players stopped trying on Sunday. I get they would be humiliated and it's hard to keep going when a team is so obviously a million miles ahead of you in every department but a bit professional pride wouldn't have gone amiss.

It was something that happened at Hibs with Ross as well though. There were games in which we lost heavily (admittedly not to the extent of 7s and 9s) and you could see heads were down and the players were going through the motions from fairly early on. I know it was said he was popular with the players here and the usual expressions of regret came from the dressing room after he was sacked but when the chips were down those same players never looked like they were running through brick walls for him. It was definitely the case at Dundee Utd, with the exception of Fletcher not one of those players can honestly say they gave it all they had on Sunday. When it got to 5 or 6 it honestly looked like a few saw it as their chance to get him out if they let it get worse.

[Since452]

Dundee Utd players stopped trying on Sunday. I get they would be humiliated and it's hard to keep going when a team is so obviously a million miles ahead of you in every department but a bit professional pride wouldn't have gone amiss.

It was something that happened at Hibs with Ross as well though. There were games in which we lost heavily (admittedly not to the extent of 7s and 9s) and you could see heads were down and the players were going through the motions from fairly early on. I know it was said he was popular with the players here and the usual expressions of regret came from the dressing room after he was sacked but when the chips were down those same players never looked like they were running through brick walls for him. It was definitely the case at Dundee Utd, with the exception of Fletcher not one of those players can honestly say they gave it all they had on Sunday. When it got to 5 or 6 it honestly looked like a few saw it as their chance to get him out if they let it get worse.

The defending was pathetic but you could see the defenders arguing at some of the goals.

[Springbank]

Would take Nicky Clark too. Not a groundbreaking signing but a steady striker who’s scored goals at this level and knows the league.

Myself and my son have mentioned him before, watching Doidge in action.

Clark is no world beater, but what he is effective at is getting into the right sort of position, when your under-pressure defence is clearing the ball, so he makes sure he either wins the ball or makes it a messy situation for the opposition CB (maybe winning a throw, further up the field etc). He feeds off scraps but turns 30-70 balls into 50-50s , and 50-50s into 70-30s, which all gets his team up the park.

Whereas with Doidge last season and this season, he's not in the right start position, doesn't really make a competitive challenge, and far from turning 30-70 balls into 50-50s he makes a70-30 in his favour more like a 30-70. Nothing sticks.

So, Clark would improve us - not to world beating levels but to top 6 finish (instead of 8-12)

[SHODAN]

Jsacked Ross

[Libby Hibby]

Jack Ross this, Jack Ross that

[Swedish hibee]

I'm sad for him personally.

[Northernhibee]

Myself and my son have mentioned him before, watching Doidge in action.

Clark is no world beater, but what he is effective at is getting into the right sort of position, when your under-pressure defence is clearing the ball, so he makes sure he either wins the ball or makes it a messy situation for the opposition CB (maybe winning a throw, further up the field etc). He feeds off scraps but turns 30-70 balls into 50-50s , and 50-50s into 70-30s, which all gets his team up the park.

Whereas with Doidge last season and this season, he's not in the right start position, doesn't really make a competitive challenge, and far from turning 30-70 balls into 50-50s he makes a70-30 in his favour more like a 30-70. Nothing sticks.

So, Clark would improve us - not to world beating levels but to top 6 finish (instead of 8-12)

We need slightly boring but steady signings with that level of experience of the league, would be delighted if we went for him.

[Brizo]

I've family in Dundee and the rumour was that a Mikey Stewart-style meeting with DUFC blazers was instigated by senior players behind Ross's back. Hence why Mulgrew and Watt were on the bench vs Celtc. He was never going to survive a 9-0 after the previous results and particularly if the rumours of open player dissent are true.


Last season they punched above their weight as much due to lots of other teams, us included, being gash, rather than them being particularly good. I actually think they've got a decent squad (goalies excluded) and a new manager should be able to get them up the league.

[Key West]

Players rule!

[lucky]

The united players clearly stopped playing for him so it was certainty that he would get the boot. Can’t see a way back into top flight football for him for a while.

[Northernhibee]

If Queens Park go on a bad run of form his name will surface.

[Since452]

Always a chance you're going to get the sack when you have folk like Tony Watt running around trying his hardest to look like a footballer while offering nothing then throwing insults at the manager. United players need to take a look at themselves.

[neil7908]

I'm surprised it's happened so quickly and so spectacularly but not at all surprised to see him get the sack.

Interesting if anyone still thinks we let himself go too early...

[WeeRussell]

Decent player. United fans I know rate him.

The ones I know don’t really. I would absolutely have him in our current midfield, but still wouldn’t rate him as a good signing.

As much sense as that makes…

[Trinity Hibee]

10 weeks is absolutely mad. How long was Sauzee in the job? I see it was 69 days and 15 games.

Football is a mad industry nowadays. No idea why you’d want to become a manager other than they inevitable decent pay off you’ll receive.

[S4uzee]

New manager bounce on September 10th

[bingo70]

Always a chance you're going to get the sack when you have folk like Tony Watt running around trying his hardest to look like a footballer while offering nothing then throwing insults at the manager. United players need to take a look at themselves.

Managers job to get the players playing for him.

Tony Watt had an excellent spell at Motherwell before he joined Utd, if Ross couldn’t get a tune out of him then that’s on Ross.

[Onion]

Nice guy, good speaker, failing manager.

Still expect DUFC to finish above us, unless we fill the gaping hole in our midfield.

[Ozyhibby]

He’ll probably still be available in a few weeks when Johnson is gone? [emoji6]


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Played: 7

Won: 1
Drawn: 1
Lost: 5

Goals for: 3
Goals against: 25

Terrible. To only last seven games and ten weeks things have to go really, really badly. 25 goals against!

It's brutal to sack a guy so quickly, but things are clearly very wrong at the club, and it can't all have been Ross's fault.

[SlickShoes]

Dundee Utd players stopped trying on Sunday. I get they would be humiliated and it's hard to keep going when a team is so obviously a million miles ahead of you in every department but a bit professional pride wouldn't have gone amiss.

It was something that happened at Hibs with Ross as well though. There were games in which we lost heavily (admittedly not to the extent of 7s and 9s) and you could see heads were down and the players were going through the motions from fairly early on. I know it was said he was popular with the players here and the usual expressions of regret came from the dressing room after he was sacked but when the chips were down those same players never looked like they were running through brick walls for him. It was definitely the case at Dundee Utd, with the exception of Fletcher not one of those players can honestly say they gave it all they had on Sunday. When it got to 5 or 6 it honestly looked like a few saw it as their chance to get him out if they let it get worse.

It was the same as our game against livi that ultimately got him sacked, while we didn’t lose 9-0, it was plain as day that he had lost control and so had the players.

[Hibs90]

10 weeks is absolutely mad. How long was Sauzee in the job? I see it was 69 days and 15 games.

Football is a mad industry nowadays. No idea why you’d want to become a manager other than they inevitable decent pay off you’ll receive.

Think the clue is in your last sentence

[Pagan Hibernia]

New manager bounce on September 10th

without a doubt

[Winston Ingram]

10 weeks is absolutely mad. How long was Sauzee in the job? I see it was 69 days and 15 games.

Football is a mad industry nowadays. No idea why you’d want to become a manager other than they inevitable decent pay off you’ll receive.

Maybe in the PL. Not here. He'll likely get 3 months salary

[Pagan Hibernia]

His last 14 league games between Hibs and United… won 1, drawn 2, lost 11. It’s beyond bad. Throw in a 0-7 in Holland and a 0-9 on Sunday and Jack has lost his way very badly since steering us to third place.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Maybe in the PL. Not here. He'll likely get 3 months salary

How much is a Dundee United manager likely to be earning these days? 3 months salary might be a lot, or it might be a little

[h1bs4life]

It was only a matter of time . Ross isn’t a partial good manager think getting promotion with St Mirren is the only ‘ honour’ in his career as a player or manager.
Seemed to do okay behind closed doors league wise although we still had pretty poor home record won a lot of points away from home where there were no fans.
Getting beat by a lower league team just of furlough in a semi final as well as StJohnstone in a semi final and the worst of all getting beat in the Scottish Cup by St Johnstone is what I will remember him from his time at Hibs.
We are still stuck with some of the Scottish Cup failures and others he thought were worth keeping
Signing a player who was recovering from a serious injury on a long term contract who has hardly played since he signed is baffling.
Re signing Newell , contract to Doidge while injured ,contract extensions to Doyle-Hayes , Campbell Hanlon and Stevenson when there was no rush to do so.
Could have been so different if he could have actually found a way to beat St Johnstone.

[One Day Soon]

Hang on a minute lads, I've got a great idea.

Jack Ross shouldn't be allowed anywhere near management, we can all agree on that now. Hibs meanwhile have more or less lost the plot on recruitment, signing teenagers all over the place - especially if they're unable to play CB, CM or CF.

Now this is the clever bit. Jack Ross played centre back AND he's 46 now. You see where I'm going here? A two birds with one stone kind of deal. And if he can play his way back into a management career from centre back at Hibs, and we sign him on a long enough contract, we could make bazillions from him later on when clubs are banging down our door to sign him.

Has anyone got Ian Gordon's number?

[NAE NOOKIE]

No manager is going to survive the doings Utd have been handed out, especially after the club had, seemingly, spent a fair amount on improving the team, on paper at least. How long I wonder before someone turns to Martindale at Livvi ... the guy must be working for peanuts and once again seems to be getting a tune out of his team .... the longer it goes without a club approaching him the longer it will seem like snobbery surrounding his personal persona.

As for Bournemouth sacking Parker .... They didn't lose 9 - 0 to Wolves or Brentford, they lost 9 - 0 to one of the best teams in the world away from home, after just 4 games where they already have a win under their belt, that seems like a total and utter knee jerk reaction to me.

[hibees 7062]

No surprise. Now which of their players should we go for? 🤔 They can't all be failures.

Mulgrew

[Northernhibee]

No manager is going to survive the doings Utd have been handed out, especially after the club had, seemingly, spent a fair amount on improving the team, on paper at least. How long I wonder before someone turns to Martindale at Livvi ... the guy must be working for peanuts and once again seems to be getting a tune out of his team .... the longer it goes without a club approaching him the longer it will seem like snobbery surrounding his personal persona.

As for Bournemouth sacking Parker .... They didn't lose 9 - 0 to Wolves or Brentford, they lost 9 - 0 to one of the best teams in the world away from home, after just 4 games where they already have a win under their belt, that seems like a total and utter knee jerk reaction to me.

I don’t think it’s snobbery due to his persona, more his past.

[Highwayman]

Thought Ross’s days were numbered if he didn’t get positive results right after the hammering by AZ Alkmaar.

He didn’t and he’s now had to face the consequences.

The question is,is he heading down the same route as Stubbsy,where clubs looking for a new manager are going to find it very difficult to trust him in the future.

Time will tell.

[hibee-boys]

Jack Ross’s stock will have fallen that much he’ll struggle to get a gig on open all mikes🤔 On a personal level I feel for the guy, he looked a broken man after the Celtic game. Got to think he’ll take time out of the spotlight and then try and rebuild his managerial career with a job in the championship…….Scottish version obviously.

[Since452]

Jack Ross has delivered Dundee United's best result in 30 odd years and worst result in their history within the space of what? 4/5 weeks?

[worcesterhibby]

In the past Ross managed his teams to play conservative football and grind out 1-0 wins and 2-1 wins every other match, it was virtually never exciting and when his teams went a goal down they rarely came back. He's never managed to get Utd even playing like that, it's been a run of gutless performances and its fairly obvious that the players don't want to play for him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Jack Ross has delivered Dundee United's best result in 30 odd years and worst result in their history within the space of what? 4/5 weeks?

Did Dundee United not win a cup about 10 years ago?

[worcesterhibby]

Jack Ross has delivered Dundee United's best result in 30 odd years and worst result in their history within the space of what? 4/5 weeks?

United won the Scottish Cup in front of 50,000 at Hampden 12 years ago..I think that's a bigger game than scraping a win in the first leg of a Europa Conference League match against the team that came 5th in The Netherlands.

To be honest I'd say their semi final wins in 2004/5 and 2013/14 and their semi win in the League Cup in 2014/15 were all better results.

[He's here!]

Managers job to get the players playing for him.

Tony Watt had an excellent spell at Motherwell before he joined Utd, if Ross couldn’t get a tune out of him then that’s on Ross.

That season at Motherwell was the only one in which he's hit double figures in a 15 year career as a striker. At the vast majority of his other clubs he barely scored at all. Vastly overrated and not somebody you'd want to rely on when the chips are down. Ross's biggest mistake was signing him at all.

[jacomo]

That season at Motherwell was the only one in which he's hit double figures in a 15 year career as a striker. At the vast majority of his other clubs he barely scored at all. Vastly overrated and not somebody you'd want to rely on when the chips are down. Ross's biggest mistake was signing him at all.


:agree:

[stantonhibby]

That season at Motherwell was the only one in which he's hit double figures in a 15 year career as a striker. At the vast majority of his other clubs he barely scored at all. Vastly overrated and not somebody you'd want to rely on when the chips are down. Ross's biggest mistake was signing him at all.

Ross didn't sign him

[silverhibee]

Mulgrew

If I remember correctly Mulgrew is related to the DOF at Utd, so can’t see him leaving Utd as he will be on a good wedge up in Dundee.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That season at Motherwell was the only one in which he's hit double figures in a 15 year career as a striker. At the vast majority of his other clubs he barely scored at all. Vastly overrated and not somebody you'd want to rely on when the chips are down. Ross's biggest mistake was signing him at all.

He signed in January under Tam Courts.

Agree with the rest of your post though, he’s pish.

[Shrekko]

Ross didn't sign him

He's also not had a 15 year career as a striker. He's 28.

[worcesterhibby]

He's also not had a 15 year career as a striker. He's 28.

I bet he was playing somewhere at 13 :greengrin

[Smartie]

United won the Scottish Cup in front of 50,000 at Hampden 12 years ago..I think that's a bigger game than scraping a win in the first leg of a Europa Conference League match against the team that came 5th in The Netherlands.

To be honest I'd say their semi final wins in 2004/5 and 2013/14 and their semi win in the League Cup in 2014/15 were all better results.

Whilst true, I don’t think the performance and result against AZ should be sniffed at.

It’s been a stunning decline since then.

[He's here!]

Ross didn't sign him

Even less to blame for his non-contribution then.

[Since452]

That season at Motherwell was the only one in which he's hit double figures in a 15 year career as a striker. At the vast majority of his other clubs he barely scored at all. Vastly overrated and not somebody you'd want to rely on when the chips are down. Ross's biggest mistake was signing him at all.

Somebody at United though it was a good idea to pay him five grand a week. Only one winner if mediocre at best players like him decide to down tools when they're earning that kind of money. You just wonder how deep the problems at that club run. Mellon and Courts both jumping ship after one season and now this? Weird.

[Golden Bear]

Jack may be a mediocre Manager but he'll be a very wealthy man. It pays handsomely to fail at times !

[Alfred E Newman]

Shambles. Players need to take some responsibility no? Hope they get relegeted.
The players should hang their heads after Sunday's debacle. Celtic were good but there is no excuse for professional players throwing in the towel like that. They may be happy their performance or lack of it got rid of Jack Ross but they were an embarrassment to their club and themselves..

[matty_f]

The Tony Watt abuse at Jack Ross rumour, please tell me this isn't the "ASOS Ancellotti" thing? That's from a tweet that was clearly a joke.

[bingo70]

The Tony Watt abuse at Jack Ross rumour, please tell me this isn't the "ASOS Ancellotti" thing? That's from a tweet that was clearly a joke.

I think it’s because him and Mulgrew were left out of the squad for the game against Celtic after rumours of a fall out between Ross and the senior players.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Tony Watt abuse at Jack Ross rumour, please tell me this isn't the "ASOS Ancellotti" thing? That's from a tweet that was clearly a joke.

Yeah that’s what I thought, I didn’t think it was at all serious.

Still funny though.

[Irish_Steve]

No manager is going to survive the doings Utd have been handed out, especially after the club had, seemingly, spent a fair amount on improving the team, on paper at least. How long I wonder before someone turns to Martindale at Livvi ... the guy must be working for peanuts and once again seems to be getting a tune out of his team .... the longer it goes without a club approaching him the longer it will seem like snobbery surrounding his personal persona.

As for Bournemouth sacking Parker .... They didn't lose 9 - 0 to Wolves or Brentford, they lost 9 - 0 to one of the best teams in the world away from home, after just 4 games where they already have a win under their belt, that seems like a total and utter knee jerk reaction to me.

Parker was sacked for his comments after the game, criticising the club for the lack of recruitment, the owners obviously didn't take kindly to that

[hibstag]

Somebody at United though it was a good idea to pay him five grand a week. Only one winner if mediocre at best players like him decide to down tools when they're earning that kind of money. You just wonder how deep the problems at that club run. Mellon and Courts both jumping ship after one season and now this? Weird.

I think Robbie replay only did a year too.

[hibbyfraelibby]

That season at Motherwell was the only one in which he's hit double figures in a 15 year career as a striker. At the vast majority of his other clubs he barely scored at all. Vastly overrated and not somebody you'd want to rely on when the chips are down. Ross's biggest mistake was signing him at all.

...and at every club he's been with there are persistent murmerings about his attitude which could explain why he's never around too long.

[angus hibby]

Stories circulating online that Courts allowed Watt + Mulgrew a say on tactics and Mulgrew pleased himself when he trained.

Ross wasn’t having any of that so the 2 players basically spoke behind his back and slagged him off to the rest of the squad.

if true, the 2 of them are a disgrace.

[jacomo]

Somebody at United though it was a good idea to pay him five grand a week. Only one winner if mediocre at best players like him decide to down tools when they're earning that kind of money. You just wonder how deep the problems at that club run. Mellon and Courts both jumping ship after one season and now this? Weird.


Yes indeed. Something not right at Tannadice.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Stories circulating online that Courts allowed Watt + Mulgrew a say on tactics and Mulgrew pleased himself when he trained.

Ross wasn’t having any of that so the 2 players basically spoke behind his back and slagged him off to the rest of the squad.

if true, the 2 of them are a disgrace.

Probably depends why Mulgrew wasn’t training.

If he was training less due to his age and previous injuries etc and JR was demanding he trained like the rest of them then I’m not sure Mulgrew is a disgrace for not being happy about it.

[Northernhibee]

The Tony Watt abuse at Jack Ross rumour, please tell me this isn't the "ASOS Ancellotti" thing? That's from a tweet that was clearly a joke.

:agree:

He's actually the Wish.com Wenger.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Yes indeed. Something not right at Tannadice.

Dundee United must run Hibs a close second as most under achieving club in Scotland over the last good many years.

When I went to ER regularly in the 80s they were a great team.

[Trinity Hibee]

Dundee United must run Hibs a close second as most under achieving club in Scotland over the last good many years.

When I went to ER regularly in the 80s they were a great team.

We always underachieve. Hearts,Aberdeen and DU generally aren’t much better either to be fair. All don’t challenge the OF and very rarely win trophies. None have a proper sustained period of dominance over the 10 teams.

[MWHIBBIES]

Dundee United must run Hibs a close second as most under achieving club in Scotland over the last good many years.

When I went to ER regularly in the 80s they were a great team.


We always underachieve. Hearts,Aberdeen and DU generally aren’t much better either to be fair. All don’t challenge the OF and very rarely win trophies. None have a proper sustained period of dominance over the 10 teams.

Underachieve compared to what? Hibs 2 trophies in the last 15 years is well, well above average for us based on our history. We averaged 1 trophy every 16 years before 2007.

If Hibs have always underachieved, then maybe we aren't underachieving. This is just Hibs.

[Trinity Hibee]

Underachieve compared to what? Hibs 2 trophies in the last 15 years is well, well above average for us based on our history. We averaged 1 trophy every 16 years before 2007.

If Hibs have always underachieved, then maybe we aren't underachieving. This is just Hibs.

To be honest you are right. Sadly, this is just Hibs but we are capable of much more e.g. consecutive top 4 finishes but it just doesn’t happen. I’m sure hearts and Aberdeen also feel that way but one 3rd place finish in 16 years and half the time not even making top 6 is well below a basic expectation. It’s a wonder we still have a pretty solid fan base when you consider what we repeatedly have to put up with.

[MWHIBBIES]

To be honest you are right. Sadly, this is just Hibs but we are capable of much more e.g. consecutive top 4 finishes but it just doesn’t happen. I’m sure hearts and Aberdeen also feel that way but one 3rd place finish in 16 years and half the time not even making top 6 is well below a basic expectation. It’s a wonder we still have a pretty solid fan base when you consider what we repeatedly have to put up with.


It's not a wonder. We get to play in Europe and win trophies every so often. We're significantly more successful than most clubs. I love supporting Hibs, I don't "put up" with it.

[Trinity Hibee]

It's not a wonder. We get to play in Europe and win trophies every so often. We're significantly more successful than most clubs. I love supporting Hibs, I don't "put up" with it.

Play in Europe as in get papped out in qualifying half the time by teams we know nothing about. Certainly wouldn’t call that success. Last time we did ourselves proud in Europe was brondby or aek. Everything in between was crap.

Losing finals to clubs who are way below our standards. The amount of finals we have all seen us lose to these clubs is an embarrassment. Anyway doesn’t seem we agree so will leave it there.

[MWHIBBIES]

Play in Europe as in get papped out in qualifying half the time by teams we know nothing about. Certainly wouldn’t call that success. Last time we did ourselves proud in Europe was brondby or aek. Everything in between was crap.

Losing finals to clubs who are way below our standards. The amount of finals we have all seen us lose to these clubs is an embarrassment. Anyway doesn’t seem we agree so will leave it there.

So again, we're more successful than 95% of clubs. There are thousands of clubs who haven't even won 1 trophy or played 1 European tie.

[Trinity Hibee]

So again, we're more successful than 95% of clubs. There are thousands of clubs who haven't even won 1 trophy or played 1 European tie.

I know I said I was done but you are comparing us to lower league clubs now. Not sure what you are trying to achieve with that. If you are trying to say that because we have more trophies than these clubs then we should be grateful then we’ll never progress will we.

I’m talking SPFL clubs. It’s generally the same 14 or so clubs that rotate between SPFL and championship. Maybe I’m not wording this great (although I don’t think that’s the case) but I think you understand what I’m getting at here. Bit scunnered with this. There’s debate and then there’s baiting.

[MWHIBBIES]

I know I said I was done but you are comparing us to lower league clubs now. Not sure what you are trying to achieve with that. If you are trying to say that because we have more trophies than these clubs then we should be grateful then we’ll never progress will we.

I’m talking SPFL clubs. It’s generally the same 14 or so clubs that rotate between SPFL and championship. Maybe I’m not wording this great (although I don’t think that’s the case) but I think you understand what I’m getting at here. Bit scunnered with this. There’s debate and then there’s baiting.

I'm not baiting you at all. Put the hackles down.

I just dont see it as some surprise we have a decent support or think fans put up with anything. I also never said we'll never progress or anything of that sort.

[007]

He’ll probably still be available in a few weeks when Johnson is gone? [emoji6]


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Johnson won't ever be sacked. He, along with his app, will be uninstalled. 😀

[The dalmeny]

Stories circulating online that Courts allowed Watt + Mulgrew a say on tactics and Mulgrew pleased himself when he trained.

Ross wasn’t having any of that so the 2 players basically spoke behind his back and slagged him off to the rest of the squad.

if true, the 2 of them are a disgrace.


An arrangement for Mulgrew to have a reduced training commitment turns into ‘pleased himself when he trained’. Love the internet

[Yorkshire HFC]

I'm not baiting you at all. Put the hackles down.

I just dont see it as some surprise we have a decent support or think fans put up with anything. I also never said we'll never progress or anything of that sort.

Ofcourse being a Hibs fan is great, and that will never change.

But in my +50 years of following Hibs, Aberdeen and Dundee United have both had spells of being the best team in Scotland. Recently, Aberdeen have had a long run of finishing 2nd / 3rd in the league - even Hearts have had spells of being 3rd best. St Johnstone won two cups in one season - Livingston have won a cup - St Mirren manage to stay in the SPL.

I'm just hoping Hibs can get a few years of over achievement sometime soon.

[WhileTheChief..]

Duncan Fergusson for the job maybe?

Owners feel they maybe need to push the boat out to get the fans onside. He’d do the trick I’d imagine.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Duncan Fergusson for the job maybe?

Owners feel they maybe need to push the boat out to get the fans onside. He’d do the trick I’d imagine.

I think he could make a really decent manager.

[Alfred E Newman]

No doubt they’ll have a new manager in place in time for our visit !

[Lago]

I think he could make a really decent manager.
Agree, there would be no messing Big Dunc around 😊

[eastterrace]

No doubt they’ll have a new manager in place in time for our visit !
They won’t need one as we will roll into town and give the home team the customary 3 points

[Stuart93]

Agree, there would be no messing Big Dunc around 😊

Wouldn’t have minded him in the door here.

[heretoday]

Agree, there would be no messing Big Dunc around 😊

Not perhaps the most tactically astute coach but they'll hear how he's feeling loud and clear.
He's probably fit enough to play himself!

[basehibby]

Played: 7

Won: 1
Drawn: 1
Lost: 5

Goals for: 3
Goals against: 25

oooft - that is honking!

[basehibby]

I'm surprised it's happened so quickly and so spectacularly but not at all surprised to see him get the sack.

Interesting if anyone still thinks we let himself go too early...

Still think he should have got the cup final he got us to. Thought he'd earned it and ditching him didn't improve our chances of winning it as far as I can see. So at least one week too early lols

[phoenixfire]

Still think he should have got the cup final he got us to. Thought he'd earned it and ditching him didn't improve our chances of winning it as far as I can see. So at least one week too early lols

It was bad timing from hibs board sacking him then imo even after he left he didn't say anything bad about us too. Wasn't a fan of his football . But a good guy who got us third place finish and imo should have been manager for cup final. Surprised how many Hibs fans dislike Jack ross and gloat on his sacking .Me I wish the guy well after a rough time and being a ex hibs manager that gave his all to us :flag:

[JimBHibees]

Duncan Fergusson for the job maybe?

Owners feel they maybe need to push the boat out to get the fans onside. He’d do the trick I’d imagine.

Can't see it assume he is settled in Merseyside. You would have thought he would have got a lower league job given the number of clubs in the north west. Maybe he doesn't fancy it much and prefers behind the scenes role.

[Moulin Yarns]

I've often thought that, like the player transfer window, managers should also have a couple of windows to change clubs. It wouldn't have helped Ross, but I'm thinking that a club has to wait for the next window before sacking and replacing a manager so they can try to turn things round or the club has to accept the cost of making the wrong appointment.

Any thoughts?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I've often thought that, like the player transfer window, managers should also have a couple of windows to change clubs. It wouldn't have helped Ross, but I'm thinking that a club has to wait for the next window before sacking and replacing a manager so they can try to turn things round or the club has to accept the cost of making the wrong appointment.

Any thoughts?

Don’t think it’s the worst idea, more from a poaching managers point of view though, so I suppose it could be that you could sack a manager but you’d have to bring in an out of work one unless you wait until the next window.

[Smartie]

I've often thought that, like the player transfer window, managers should also have a couple of windows to change clubs. It wouldn't have helped Ross, but I'm thinking that a club has to wait for the next window before sacking and replacing a manager so they can try to turn things round or the club has to accept the cost of making the wrong appointment.

Any thoughts?


Good idea imo.

I was initially against transfer windows but have grown to like them, albeit I think they’ve scuppered us a bit a few times when we’ve not had our business done in time.

[Percy Vere]

Played: 7

Won: 1
Drawn: 1
Lost: 5

Goals for: 3
Goals against: 25

Ouch

[McD]

No manager is going to survive the doings Utd have been handed out, especially after the club had, seemingly, spent a fair amount on improving the team, on paper at least. How long I wonder before someone turns to Martindale at Livvi ... the guy must be working for peanuts and once again seems to be getting a tune out of his team .... the longer it goes without a club approaching him the longer it will seem like snobbery surrounding his personal persona.

As for Bournemouth sacking Parker .... They didn't lose 9 - 0 to Wolves or Brentford, they lost 9 - 0 to one of the best teams in the world away from home, after just 4 games where they already have a win under their belt, that seems like a total and utter knee jerk reaction to me.


parker went because he’s continually been implying and saying in interviews that he’s not been backed and the club weren’t spending money, including after the Liverpool game. Seems like the powers that be got annoyed enough with being called out and blamed that they said enoughs enough

[McD]

Parker was sacked for his comments after the game, criticising the club for the lack of recruitment, the owners obviously didn't take kindly to that


beat me to it lol… read the whole thread before commenting McD :greengrin

[McD]

Can't see it assume he is settled in Merseyside. You would have thought he would have got a lower league job given the number of clubs in the north west. Maybe he doesn't fancy it much and prefers behind the scenes role.


he recently left Everton by choice to seek opportunities as a manager. I don’t disagree about the fact he’s well settled on Merseyside, and not want to uproot his family (back) to Dundee. That said, Lee Johnson has pretty much done that, so who knows

[Since452]

The chat here in Dundee is that Ross was only working three days a week due to him still living in the north east of England. Apparantly Mulgrew and Watt weren't happy about it and have been vocal in their feelings for weeks. Seems to have spread from there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The chat here in Dundee is that Ross was only working three days a week due to him still living in the north east of England. Apparantly Mulgrew and Watt weren't happy about it and have been vocal in their feelings for weeks. Seems to have spread from there.

You can’t blame them if that’s true. Terrible results and a manager only turning up to work every so often. They’re quite right to be pissed off.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The chat here in Dundee is that Ross was only working three days a week due to him still living in the north east of England. Apparantly Mulgrew and Watt weren't happy about it and have been vocal in their feelings for weeks. Seems to have spread from there.

How many times was it said he wouldn't leave Ponteland? Short leash and under the thumb?

[hibee-boys]

The chat here in Dundee is that Ross was only working three days a week due to him still living in the north east of England. Apparantly Mulgrew and Watt weren't happy about it and have been vocal in their feelings for weeks. Seems to have spread from there.

If that’s true I can understand the disconnect between him and the players then, hardly leading by example, especially at the beginning of his tenure. He’ll get to spend plenty time in the North East now anyway.

[J-C]

You can’t blame them if that’s true. Terrible results and a manager only turning up to work every so often. They’re quite right to be pissed off.

Did we not have the same problem when Calderwood was here.

[Jim44]

If JR’s so-called part time attendance is true, you can understand the player’s reaction. Nevertheless, it’s difficult to believe they would put themselves in the firing line for humiliating defeats.

[Dashing Bob S]

Anyone think he could still… etc etc

[wookie70]

If JR’s so-called part time attendance is true, you can understand the player’s reaction. Nevertheless, it’s difficult to believe they would put themselves in the firing line for humiliating defeats.

No doubt they downed tools against Celtc. JR's part-time attendance could be in his contract. Is it any different from a player not be able to fully train and having that as an understanding. It doesn't really matter though as the results were only going to end in his tenure regardless of what his circumstances are. I wonder if JR ends up better off getting sacked than he would be working, at least in the short term.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No doubt they downed tools against Celtc. JR's part-time attendance could be in his contract. Is it any different from a player not be able to fully train and having that as an understanding. It doesn't really matter though as the results were only going to end in his tenure regardless of what his circumstances are. I wonder if JR ends up better off getting sacked than he would be working, at least in the short term.

Surely it’s hugely different to a player.

A player does it to enable them to get the most out their performances on match day. The only reason for a manager to do it is that they can’t be arsed or aren’t fully commited. There’s really no situation where a manager not being there half the time benefits the team.

[wookie70]

Surely it’s hugely different to a player.

A player does it to enable them to get the most out their performances on match day. The only reason for a manager to do it is that they can’t be arsed or aren’t fully commited. There’s really no situation where a manager not being there half the time benefits the team.

I never said it benefitted the team I said it may have been agreed in a contract. He may have said he will be there 3 days a week and matchday and do all the admin on the other two days from home as it can be done remotely. Doesn't seem unreasonable in the 21st century to me. He doesn't seem the type to not be committed and always came over as very professional to me.

[jacomo]

I never said it benefitted the team I said it may have been agreed in a contract. He may have said he will be there 3 days a week and matchday and do all the admin on the other two days from home as it can be done remotely. Doesn't seem unreasonable in the 21st century to me. He doesn't seem the type to not be committed and always came over as very professional to me.


Many jobs you can wfh. I don’t think football manager is one of them.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Many jobs you can wfh. I don’t think football manager is one of them.

Our midfield does🙂

[et_hibby]

Our midfield does🙂

😀😀😀😀

[RyeSloan]

Many jobs you can wfh. I don’t think football manager is one of them.

Depends on the coaching set up I’d suggest.

3 days during the week could easily be plenty if he has good enough coaches and the training set up accordingly.

But either way I don’t see Jack Ross not committing to the job so not getting that rumour. Taking an SPFL managers job at a club like United is going to be a near 24/7 thing anyway regardless.

Also seems a bit crazy if the senior players turned on him so quickly and viscously to undermine him quite so comprehensively.

My guess is the answer is probably much more mundane. What could go wrong did go wrong and Jack hadn’t had time to solidify the team to prevent bad going to worse in very quick order. Things spiralled in a matter of just a few short weeks and hey presto he’s out the door.

[OsiersHibs]

Think id have preferred we appointed Derek McInnes after we sacked Jack Ross. He'd have signed experienced players which would have given us more stability.

We need more experience at the club.

[Jones28]

Ross can job do a Jack?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Think id have preferred we appointed Derek Minnie's after we sacked Jack Ross. He'd have signed experienced players which would have given us more stability.

We need more experience at the club.

He’d have been telt he’s getting a load of laddies the exact same as LJ.

[WestCoastHibby]

When all’s said and done Jack Ross has now got an absolute shocker of a CV
He’ll be on the BBC “sacked managers club/open all mikes” asap of course.
However he’s really going to struggle to get a big job now. Needs to reset and start lower. Arbroath might be looking soon

[Paulie Walnuts]

When all’s said and done Jack Ross has now got an absolute shocker of a CV
He’ll be on the BBC “sacked managers club/open all mikes” asap of course.
However he’s really going to struggle to get a big job now. Needs to reset and start lower. Arbroath might be looking soon

I’m not sure I’d go as far as an absolute shocker but it’s certainly not particularly good.

Took over Alloa 3 points from safety in December, got them relegated by 10 points.

Took over St Mirren and got them promoted - so a success although at a lower level.

Took over Sunderland and failed to get them promoted. Also lost a cup final.

Took over Hibs mid November in 8th place and only managed to get us up to 7th. Then went on to have a succesful season finishing third but losing a cup semi final to lower league Hearts, another to St Johnstone and also a cup final to St Johnstone and then a really poor season with him getting sacked with us in 7th.

An absolute abomination at Dundee United.

All in he’s probably had 3 failures, 1 unarguable success and the Hibs job being pretty decent over the piece but with a few really bad moments thrown in.

His next job will be down the bottom end of League One or in League Two in England I reckon. Can’t see him bothering with a job up here in the Championship and I don’t think he’d get another Scottish Premiership gig.