Face it, Hibs are just really, really crap

[Hermit Crab]

Beat Clyde, possibly the worst team in Scottish league football 5-0, flattering to say the least.

Lost to Falkirk 1-0 with a midfield of Doyle-Hayes, Campbell and Newell. They can't play together.

Beat Bonnyrigg but 1-4 flattered us.

Drew with Morton, shocking display and deserved to lose the bonus point on pens, pumped out the league cup, good chance of competing for silverware blown at the first hurdle.

Fluked a 0-1 away to St Johnstone, needing to play against 10 men to get a result.

Fluked a draw v Hearts who should have been 3 or 4 up before we equalised.

Shocking performance away to Livvy with Jair looking like he'd never played football before with Hanlon and Porteous made to look like Sunday league players by the boy Nouble up front for Livvy. They deserved their 2-1 win

Fluked a 2-2 draw v Rangers, someone said on here we drew with a champions league side (laughable), yeah we did but they had 9 men when we equalised.

Today, absolute crap. Not a single player gets any pass marks bar Marshall who saved us from a heavy defeat. Every one of them should be ashamed of that today, Hanlon, Porteous, Newell and Doidge in particular. Get rid of them. St Mirren deserved the 1-0 win.

Massive clear out of the crap is required starting with...

Hanlon - Empty
Porteous - Empty
Newell - Empty
Campbell - Empty
JDH - Empty
Doidge - Absolutely effing empty now!
Bojang - Empty
Miller - Empty

Every season we get promised good signings, good performances and challenging for Europe etc. We never get any of it. Time to stop dining out on that cup win and start putting a winning team on the park because at this rate we will be losing fans on a weekly basis with performances like today. Once they've gone its hard to get them back.

Get the finger out Hibs, this means you as well Ron.

[hibee-boys]

Yip, pretty much agree with all of that. I’d give Miller/Bojang some time to prove themselves as they’ve hardly had any minutes but the early signs aren’t particularly encouraging.

[Hermit Crab]

Yip, pretty much agree with all of that. I’d give Miller/Bojang some time to prove themselves as they’ve hardly had any minutes but the early signs aren’t particularly encouraging.


There will be loads that don't though. Happy clapping at its finest.

[SteveHFC]

Beat Clyde, possibly the worst team in Scottish league football 5-0, flattering to say the least.

Lost to Falkirk 1-0 with a midfield of Doyle-Hayes, Campbell and Newell. They can't play together.

Beat Bonnyrigg but 1-4 flattered us.

Drew with Morton, shocking display and deserved to lose the bonus point on pens, pumped out the league cup, good chance of competing for silverware blown at the first hurdle.

Fluked a 0-1 away to St Johnstone, needing to play against 10 men to get a result.

Fluked a draw v Hearts who should have been 3 or 4 up before we equalised.

Shocking performance away to Livvy with Jair looking like he'd never played football before with Hanlon and Porteous made to look like Sunday league players by the boy Nouble up front for Livvy. They deserved their 2-1 win

Fluked a 2-2 draw v Rangers, someone said on here we drew with a champions league side (laughable), yeah we did but they had 9 men when we equalised.

Today, absolute crap. Not a single player gets any pass marks bar Marshall who saved us from a heavy defeat. Every one of them should be ashamed of that today, Hanlon, Porteous, Newell and Doidge in particular. Get rid of them. St Mirren deserved the 1-0 win.

Massive clear out of the crap is required starting with...

Hanlon - Empty
Porteous - Empty
Newell - Empty
Campbell - Empty
JDH - Empty
Doidge - Absolutely effing empty now!
Bojang - Empty
Miller - Empty

Every season we get promised good signings, good performances and challenging for Europe etc. We never get any of it. Time to stop dining out on that cup win and start putting a winning team on the park because at this rate we will be losing fans on a weekly basis with performances like today. Once they've gone its hard to get them back.

Get the finger out Hibs, this means you as well Ron.

Spot on.

[Rumble de Thump]

Absolutely. Every time we win or draw it will be a fluke.

[chrisski33]

Spot on dude loads who will disagree with you though.

[IberianHibernian]

No 2 fans will agree entirely about who we should keep / sign etc and then we can`t ignore contracts being honoured or payoffs . I certainly think Bojang and Miller deserve more chance than 3 minutes today to prove themselves . Ideally situation of older players in squad would have been solved in summer or before but injuries and managerial changes probably made that difficult .

[judas]

Agree with OP on almost every line.

Said it before the season started, our signing strategy was very speculative and dangerous.

A lot to be done. Definitely have to ship out most of the players noted.

[Nicho87]

I don’t understand how so many fans can see doidge not being any goal threat at all yet LJ sticks with him

Bojang must be ******g hopeless not to be given a shot

[Hermit Crab]

Absolutely. Every time we win or draw it will be a fluke.


You reckon the points we have on the board are down to good performances and good football?

[Glory Lurker]

I don't knit,I have no knitting i'm keeping for anyone else, but nonetheless Hibs have completely wripped it for me since 2016. The last few years have particularly battered the yarn.

I'm old, I'm daft, so I maybe accept more than I should but even with that I'm getting really bored by our club.

[Hibernia&Alba]

There will be loads that don't though. Happy clapping at its finest.

Nobody would ever accuse you of that, HC; the Samuel Beckett of .net. :greengrin

[Chorley Hibee]

Absolutely. Every time we win or draw it will be a fluke.

8 wins in our last 37 league games suggest we don't win very often.

[SaulGoodman]

Don’t see how you can say empty Bojang and Miller when they’ve hardly played.

[Hermit Crab]

Don’t see how you can say empty Bojang and Miller when they’ve hardly played.


Theres a reason for that.

[matty_f]

You reckon the points we have on the board are down to good performances and good football?

I do.

We’ve got what we deserved in all of our games so far under Johnson.

[SaulGoodman]

Theres a reason for that.

You been watching them train like?

[Hermit Crab]

8 wins in our last 37 league games suggest we don't win very often.



Absolutely horrendous stat.

[Sir David Gray]

8 wins in our last 37 league games suggest we don't win very often.

35 points from our last 36 league games is really pitiful.

Just 30 goals scored in that time too.

[Hermit Crab]

You been watching them train like?


No but I seen their 'cameos' today.

[Onceinawhile]

I don't agree we're really,really crap.

I think we're just really crap.

[SaulGoodman]

No but I seen their 'cameos' today.

8 minutes is hardly time to impose themselves. Thought Miller looked good against Rangers, unlucky not to score.

[Leith Green]

I do.

We’ve got what we deserved in all of our games so far under Johnson.

St johnstone, we deservedley won. Hearts game was a fair draw. Huns game we deserved a point. Both our defeats we deserved to lose. We just dont look capable of going out and winning a match convincingly..

[Leith Green]

8 minutes is hardly time to impose themselves. Thought Miller looked good against Rangers, unlucky not to score.


He looked awful today

[matty_f]

St johnstone, we deservedley won. Hearts game was a fair draw. Huns game we deserved a point. Both our defeats we deserved to lose. We just dont look capable of going out and winning a match convincingly..

Agreed.

[Hermit Crab]

35 points from our last 36 league games is really pitiful.

Just 30 goals scored in that time too.


35 points out of a possible 108. Shocking.

Avg 0.8 goals per game. Doidge is class though. :rolleyes:

[Hermit Crab]

8 minutes is hardly time to impose themselves. Thought Miller looked good against Rangers, unlucky not to score.


Miller nearly gave away a goal today.

[SaulGoodman]

He looked awful today

So did the rest of the team. Again, I’m not willing to write them off with the rest of the ***** yet purely because they’ve barely played. That seems unfair.

[Heisenberg]

35 points from our last 36 league games is really pitiful.

Just 30 goals scored in that time too.

Heading for, if not already, relegation form. Shambles.

[SaulGoodman]

Miller nearly gave away a goal today.

The joys of being a defender.

[Hermit Crab]

the joys of being a 'poor' defender.



ftfy

[Just_Jimmy]

The club is run by cowboys and charlatans.

Bin the lot. Start with BK and IG and tbh if Ron doesn't want to... he can do one as well.



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[SaulGoodman]

ftfy

Clever.

Anyway I’m out, hopefully things pick up soon, who knows? I’m done with posting on this site though.

[hibee-boys]

St johnstone, we deservedley won. Hearts game was a fair draw. Huns game we deserved a point. Both our defeats we deserved to lose. We just dont look capable of going out and winning a match convincingly..

We huffed and puffed against a 10 man St Johnstone side for 30mins and managed a whopping 1 shot on target. Got out of jail against Rangers thanks to them going down to 9 men, even then we struggled to scrape an equaliser. I thought we put in a half decent performance against Hearts but we’ve been bang average to horrific in the other 4 league games…….and that’s before we pass judgement on the pathetic league cup effort!

[Leith Green]

We huffed and puffed against a 10 man St Johnstone side for 30mins and managed a whopping 1 shot on target. Got out of jail against Rangers thanks to them going down to 9 men, even then we struggled to scrape an equaliser. I thought we put in a half decent performance against Hearts but we’ve been bang average to horrific in the other 4 league games…….and that’s before we pass judgement on the pathetic league cup effort!


I dont think we we were anything better than average in the points we picked up , but we were still worthy of those results

[truehibernian]

8 wins in our last 37 league games suggest we don't win very often.

That is a horrendous statistic if correct CH (and not doubting you mate) - one which should be repeatedly quoted on the club socials so the penny drops with Ron, Lee and the players. Seriously, that underlines that results are indeed relegation form.

It says 'Be Better' at HTC as they come back in from training, should maybe get that taken down and replaced with 'Prove You're Not """"' :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

That is a horrendous statistic if correct CH (and not doubting you mate) - one which should be repeatedly quoted on the club socials so the penny drops with Ron, Lee and the players. Seriously, that underlines that results are indeed relegation form.

It says 'Be Better' at HTC as they come back in from training, should maybe get that taken down and replaced with 'Prove You're Not """"' :greengrin

8 wins in our last 36 league games as opposed to 37 but still pretty shocking.

[overdrive]

The original post is absolutely spot on. Add Ian Gordon and Kensell to the list. Probably Ron too. The majority of the squad are gash!

[Trinity Hibee]

But but everything off the pitch is going so well. Surely that counts for something?

[Carheenlea]

I don't agree we're really,really crap.

I think we're just really crap.

A glimmer of hope on an otherwise depressing thread.If we can get to being crap next week then it’s an upwards trajectory.

Good times are just round the corner!

[NAE NOOKIE]

8 wins in our last 37 league games suggest we don't win very often.

Think someone corrected that to 8 in 36, but even so that is beyond shocking.

After watching that cluster**** on ALBA tonight it's hard to argue with Hermit Crab's opinion. I'm really struggling to think of a single player with the exception of Marshall and Boyle I would shed any tears at seeing the back of.

It would be easy to pick on any one of them after that, but I'll limit myself to just two.

Ryan Porteous ...... I have been a pretty solid defender of him in the past, but my slight annoyance at some careless passes against both Hearts and Rangers turned to real anger at his performance in this game. He showed every bit of petulance he's been accused of in the past, his passing moved down a gear from careless to on at least one occasion downright lazy ... as for his nonsense attempt to play out of a near on impossible position when he had an easy pass to the keeper, absolutely amateurish.
He should have been at least booked for a needless Morelos like arm to the face of a St Mirren player and his dive in an attempt to win a free kick was embarrassing. Having rightly not been give a free kick by the ref for his dive less than a minute later he pushed the St Mirren player involved in that incident out of sheer petulance, it should have resulted in a free kick 25 yards from our goal and he was very lucky it didn't .... later on he gave away a needless free kick for pulling the shirt of a St Mirren forward who was already being challenged by a Hibs player, he even had to reach past his colleague to get a hold of the guy's shirt FFS.

Christian Doidge ....... How can anybody defend this guy any more, whatever it was he had and IMO it wasn't much to begin with, he has absolutely lost, the guy makes Colin Nish look like Alan sodding Shearer FFS.

But as I said, every one of them has to take responsibility for that shocking performance and if they don't start getting serious and begin to appreciate exactly the position they are in quick smart they will be battling relegation by the start of March ..... And by every one of them I also include the owner and the manager ..... we just can't allow this crap to continue.

[heretoday]

We'll win the next two games and things will look better.

[GreenCastle]

We'll win the next two games and things will look better.

We haven’t won 2 league games in a row since Dec 2021.

Guess what…..Newell didn’t play in both of them as we beat Aberdeen and Dundee Utd. Probably Maloneys best 2 games.

[Chorley Hibee]

We'll win the next two games and things will look better.

Just like we'd beat Livingston and win at St Mirren.

I wouldn't bet on us beating anyone at present.

[Chorley Hibee]

That is a horrendous statistic if correct CH (and not doubting you mate) - one which should be repeatedly quoted on the club socials so the penny drops with Ron, Lee and the players. Seriously, that underlines that results are indeed relegation form.

It says 'Be Better' at HTC as they come back in from training, should maybe get that taken down and replaced with 'Prove You're Not """"' :greengrin

I'd also point out that two of those wins came in dead rubber fixtures in the bottom 6.

[mcfly]

Beat Clyde, possibly the worst team in Scottish league football 5-0, flattering to say the least.

Lost to Falkirk 1-0 with a midfield of Doyle-Hayes, Campbell and Newell. They can't play together.

Beat Bonnyrigg but 1-4 flattered us.

Drew with Morton, shocking display and deserved to lose the bonus point on pens, pumped out the league cup, good chance of competing for silverware blown at the first hurdle.

Fluked a 0-1 away to St Johnstone, needing to play against 10 men to get a result.

Fluked a draw v Hearts who should have been 3 or 4 up before we equalised.

Shocking performance away to Livvy with Jair looking like he'd never played football before with Hanlon and Porteous made to look like Sunday league players by the boy Nouble up front for Livvy. They deserved their 2-1 win

Fluked a 2-2 draw v Rangers, someone said on here we drew with a champions league side (laughable), yeah we did but they had 9 men when we equalised.

Today, absolute crap. Not a single player gets any pass marks bar Marshall who saved us from a heavy defeat. Every one of them should be ashamed of that today, Hanlon, Porteous, Newell and Doidge in particular. Get rid of them. St Mirren deserved the 1-0 win.

Massive clear out of the crap is required starting with...

Hanlon - Empty
Porteous - Empty
Newell - Empty
Campbell - Empty
JDH - Empty
Doidge - Absolutely effing empty now!
Bojang - Empty
Miller - Empty

Every season we get promised good signings, good performances and challenging for Europe etc. We never get any of it. Time to stop dining out on that cup win and start putting a winning team on the park because at this rate we will be losing fans on a weekly basis with performances like today. Once they've gone its hard to get them back.

Get the finger out Hibs, this means you as well Ron.

Steady on chap

Empty bojang and miller who are just in the door and hardly played? Cmon

Agree with hanlon, Newall and doidge but someone on their wisdom gave them extended contracts so that’s not going to happen.

Club is a shambles and I feel sorry for the manager being lumbered with this bunch some of which are total non triers

[Antifa Hibs]

Beat Clyde, possibly the worst team in Scottish league football 5-0, flattering to say the least.

Lost to Falkirk 1-0 with a midfield of Doyle-Hayes, Campbell and Newell. They can't play together.

Beat Bonnyrigg but 1-4 flattered us.

Drew with Morton, shocking display and deserved to lose the bonus point on pens, pumped out the league cup, good chance of competing for silverware blown at the first hurdle.

Fluked a 0-1 away to St Johnstone, needing to play against 10 men to get a result.

Fluked a draw v Hearts who should have been 3 or 4 up before we equalised.

Shocking performance away to Livvy with Jair looking like he'd never played football before with Hanlon and Porteous made to look like Sunday league players by the boy Nouble up front for Livvy. They deserved their 2-1 win

Fluked a 2-2 draw v Rangers, someone said on here we drew with a champions league side (laughable), yeah we did but they had 9 men when we equalised.

Today, absolute crap. Not a single player gets any pass marks bar Marshall who saved us from a heavy defeat. Every one of them should be ashamed of that today, Hanlon, Porteous, Newell and Doidge in particular. Get rid of them. St Mirren deserved the 1-0 win.

Massive clear out of the crap is required starting with...

Hanlon - Empty
Porteous - Empty
Newell - Empty
Campbell - Empty
JDH - Empty
Doidge - Absolutely effing empty now!
Bojang - Empty
Miller - Empty

Every season we get promised good signings, good performances and challenging for Europe etc. We never get any of it. Time to stop dining out on that cup win and start putting a winning team on the park because at this rate we will be losing fans on a weekly basis with performances like today. Once they've gone its hard to get them back.

Get the finger out Hibs, this means you as well Ron.

My remote access portal to work has just opened up - going to fudge the rota to ensure i'm working the next 8 Saturdays 9 to 5. The football is terrible, boring as hell. Not even September yet and Hibs have already to suck the fun out of it. Think the 3 late goals we scored, despite as good as they were at the time might have plastered over the cracks somewhat.

The worrying part too, RG telling the Hibs podcasters that our wage bill has increased 40% after the league cup exit - WTF is the increase on?

[Brightside]

There will be loads that don't though. Happy clapping at its finest.

Your default of negativity is a much bigger problem than someone trying to be positive about their club.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Your default of negativity is a much bigger problem than someone trying to be positive about their club.

There’s nothing to be positive about on the pitch.

Folk pretending there is is nothing short of laughable.

[Libby Hibby]

We haven’t won 2 league games in a row since Dec 2021.

Guess what…..Newell didn’t play in both of them as we beat Aberdeen and Dundee Utd. Probably Maloneys best 2 games.

Get Newell out the side along with Doidge.

[Ronniekirk]

Don’t see how you can say empty Bojang and Miller when they’ve hardly played.

The manager clearly doesn’t think they are ready or he would be playing them

[lucky]

Hard to argue with HC post. Hibs try to play but we aren’t very good. Yesterday Porteous, Doidge and Cabraja were awful. When Miller came on he managed to give the ball away every time he had it. I’m not convinced anyone had had actually saw him play before we signed him. The midfield 3 are not bad players they just can’t play in the same team. Out of all the signings only Marshall looks the part. Youan may turn out to be ok but his sitter from inside the six yard box was unbelievable. He’s another striker that can not score. Hibs have had great support this season but I doubt we will sell many more home or away games with performances we are seeing.

[Keith_M]

Why am I not surprised.

[Sir David Gray]

I'd also point out that two of those wins came in dead rubber fixtures in the bottom 6.

St Johnstone away ×2
Dundee home
Aberdeen home
Dundee Utd away
Ross County home
St Mirren away
St Johnstone home

That's the only league games we've won since the start of October last year.

Half of these wins have come against last season's bottom two and we've only won twice against a top six side as well.

W-8
D-11
L-17
F-30
A-42
PTS-35

That's our lot over almost a full season's worth of fixtures.

We've failed to score in 15 of those matches and managed to score more than one goal just 6 times (one of those was a 3-2 defeat to Livingston, twice was when the opposition was down to 10 and 9 men against St Johnstone away last season and Rangers at home this season and another was a training exercise at the end of last season when St Johnstone played a lot of their reserves in preparation for their relegation play off.)

[B.H.F.C]

Yesterday was really disheartening. You could feel it coming from the moment the team was announced.

The reaction from the Hibs crowd at full time told you everything. Folk watching us week in, week out are largely on the same page and aren’t fooled by the crap RG spouts about us having good transfer windows and so on.

[coldingham hibs]

St Johnstone away ×2
Dundee home
Aberdeen home
Dundee Utd away
Ross County home
St Mirren away
St Johnstone home

That's the only league games we've won since the start of October last year.

Half of these wins have come against last season's bottom two and we've only won twice against a top six side as well.

W-8
D-11
L-17
F-30
A-42
PTS-35

That's our lot over almost a full season's worth of fixtures.

We've failed to score in 15 of those matches and managed to score more than one goal just 6 times (one of those was a 3-2 defeat to Livingston, twice was when the opposition was down to 10 and 9 men against St Johnstone away last season and Rangers at home this season and another was a training exercise at the end of last season when St Johnstone played a lot of their reserves in preparation for their relegation play off.

Maybe worth discussing this at the next Ron Gordon Q&A if he is brave enough to hold one.

[McGruber]

Beat Clyde, possibly the worst team in Scottish league football 5-0, flattering to say the least.

Lost to Falkirk 1-0 with a midfield of Doyle-Hayes, Campbell and Newell. They can't play together.

Beat Bonnyrigg but 1-4 flattered us.

Drew with Morton, shocking display and deserved to lose the bonus point on pens, pumped out the league cup, good chance of competing for silverware blown at the first hurdle.

Fluked a 0-1 away to St Johnstone, needing to play against 10 men to get a result.

Fluked a draw v Hearts who should have been 3 or 4 up before we equalised.

Shocking performance away to Livvy with Jair looking like he'd never played football before with Hanlon and Porteous made to look like Sunday league players by the boy Nouble up front for Livvy. They deserved their 2-1 win

Fluked a 2-2 draw v Rangers, someone said on here we drew with a champions league side (laughable), yeah we did but they had 9 men when we equalised.

Today, absolute crap. Not a single player gets any pass marks bar Marshall who saved us from a heavy defeat. Every one of them should be ashamed of that today, Hanlon, Porteous, Newell and Doidge in particular. Get rid of them. St Mirren deserved the 1-0 win.

Massive clear out of the crap is required starting with...

Hanlon - Empty
Porteous - Empty
Newell - Empty
Campbell - Empty
JDH - Empty
Doidge - Absolutely effing empty now!
Bojang - Empty
Miller - Empty

Every season we get promised good signings, good performances and challenging for Europe etc. We never get any of it. Time to stop dining out on that cup win and start putting a winning team on the park because at this rate we will be losing fans on a weekly basis with performances like today. Once they've gone its hard to get them back.

Get the finger out Hibs, this means you as well Ron.

Agree with the overall sentiment but in the venting of your spleen you also spout a bit of nonesense

There was nothing flukey about the win at St Johnstone, we were the better team from the off, a deserved win.

Nothing flukey or flattering in the wins v Clyde or Bonnyrigg.

Nothing flukey about the draws with Hearts or Rangers, both deserved points. Yes Rangers played the last 15 mins with 9 men but that's hardly on Hibs and Rangers took the lead with a phantom penalty.

Miller and Bojang not good enough, they've barely played. Surely new players need a chance.

Starting your post with painting a 5-0 win v Clyde as a negative really is something. Of course it was only Clyde but what's your point?

That apart - the losses to Livi and St Mirren were awful. The league cup exit embarrassing. Falkirk and Morton games awful aswell.

As you say a massive clear out of crap is required.

Nobody is happy with how it is going so far this season but lets not have this revisionism that all positive results arr only ever going to be flukey - just nonesense.

[matty_f]

Agree with the overall sentiment but in the venting of your spleen you also spout a bit of nonesense

There was nothing flukey about the win at St Johnstone, we were the better team from the off, a deserved win.

Nothing flukey or flattering in the wins v Clyde or Bonnyrigg.

Nothing flukey about the draws with Hearts or Rangers, both deserved points. Yes Rangers played the last 15 mins with 9 men but that's hardly on Hibs and Rangers took the lead with a phantom penalty.

Miller and Bojang not good enough, they've barely played. Surely new players need a chance.

Starting your post with painting a 5-0 win v Clyde as a negative really is something. Of course it was only Clyde but what's your point?

That apart - the losses to Livi and St Mirren were awful. The league cup exit embarrassing. Falkirk and Morton games awful aswell.

As you say a massive clear out of crap is required.

Nobody is happy with how it is going so far this season but lets not have this revisionism that all positive results arr only ever going to be flukey - just nonesense.
Spot on.

[hibsbollah]

Agree with the overall sentiment but in the venting of your spleen you also spout a bit of nonesense

There was nothing flukey about the win at St Johnstone, we were the better team from the off, a deserved win.

Nothing flukey or flattering in the wins v Clyde or Bonnyrigg.

Nothing flukey about the draws with Hearts or Rangers, both deserved points. Yes Rangers played the last 15 mins with 9 men but that's hardly on Hibs and Rangers took the lead with a phantom penalty.

Miller and Bojang not good enough, they've barely played. Surely new players need a chance.

Starting your post with painting a 5-0 win v Clyde as a negative really is something. Of course it was only Clyde but what's your point?

That apart - the losses to Livi and St Mirren were awful. The league cup exit embarrassing. Falkirk and Morton games awful aswell.

As you say a massive clear out of crap is required.

Nobody is happy with how it is going so far this season but lets not have this revisionism that all positive results arr only ever going to be flukey - just nonesense.

I wish I’d written that. Great post and an excellent response to a massively predictable OP.

[S4uzee]

St Johnstone away ×2
Dundee home
Aberdeen home
Dundee Utd away
Ross County home
St Mirren away
St Johnstone home

That's the only league games we've won since the start of October last year.

Half of these wins have come against last season's bottom two and we've only won twice against a top six side as well.

W-8
D-11
L-17
F-30
A-42
PTS-35

That's our lot over almost a full season's worth of fixtures.

We've failed to score in 15 of those matches and managed to score more than one goal just 6 times (one of those was a 3-2 defeat to Livingston, twice was when the opposition was down to 10 and 9 men against St Johnstone away last season and Rangers at home this season and another was a training exercise at the end of last season when St Johnstone played a lot of their reserves in preparation for their relegation play off.

That is truly horrific reading. 8 wins against opposition like that in a calendar year

[hibee-boys]

St Johnstone away ×2
Dundee home
Aberdeen home
Dundee Utd away
Ross County home
St Mirren away
St Johnstone home

That's the only league games we've won since the start of October last year.

Half of these wins have come against last season's bottom two and we've only won twice against a top six side as well.

W-8
D-11
L-17
F-30
A-42
PTS-35

That's our lot over almost a full season's worth of fixtures.

We've failed to score in 15 of those matches and managed to score more than one goal just 6 times (one of those was a 3-2 defeat to Livingston, twice was when the opposition was down to 10 and 9 men against St Johnstone away last season and Rangers at home this season and another was a training exercise at the end of last season when St Johnstone played a lot of their reserves in preparation for their relegation play off.

On a positive note, it looks like we’re St Johnstone’s bogey team now😏

[JimBHibees]

I do.

We’ve got what we deserved in all of our games so far under Johnson.

Absolutely have and should have got something at Livi.

[H18S NX]

Have to agree with HC,apart from Miller and bojang,they need a chance but three managers and almost the same team players every week is not going to change that.It is time for a deep clean,something really has to change and soon hopefully.

[Hermit Crab]

Have to agree with HC,apart from Miller and bojang,they need a chance but three managers and almost the same team players every week is not going to change that.It is time for a deep clean,something really has to change and soon hopefully.



LJ said after the Falkirk shambles that the midfield was a problem, he then lines the team up with the same midfield yesterday and it was the same again. A 1-0 defeat with zero creativity and dig in there. None of them are good enough. If you have a midfield like ours who can't compete with the likes of St Mirren then we are in big trouble.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

That is truly horrific reading. 8 wins against opposition like that in a calendar year

It really is, the scoring over 1 goal in a game stat is a shocker too. 😣

[GreenCastle]

Agree with the overall sentiment but in the venting of your spleen you also spout a bit of nonesense

There was nothing flukey about the win at St Johnstone, we were the better team from the off, a deserved win.

Nothing flukey or flattering in the wins v Clyde or Bonnyrigg.

Nothing flukey about the draws with Hearts or Rangers, both deserved points. Yes Rangers played the last 15 mins with 9 men but that's hardly on Hibs and Rangers took the lead with a phantom penalty.

Miller and Bojang not good enough, they've barely played. Surely new players need a chance.

Starting your post with painting a 5-0 win v Clyde as a negative really is something. Of course it was only Clyde but what's your point?

That apart - the losses to Livi and St Mirren were awful. The league cup exit embarrassing. Falkirk and Morton games awful aswell.

As you say a massive clear out of crap is required.

Nobody is happy with how it is going so far this season but lets not have this revisionism that all positive results arr only ever going to be flukey - just nonesense.

2nd half against Clyde was absolutely mince - 5-0 up or not it was poor.

That carried over into Falkirk.

He’s lost 4 out of 9 games already.

4 we really should be winning - at worst drawing.

A massive few days coming up to sign some players who improve us. Last seasons dross and players with weak mindsets won’t progress us.

Not confident at all they know what they are doing it and how they are signing players - do they even look at the players character ? It all seems data driven and instead we need some strong minded winners who can drag others with them - not placid young players low on confidence who are up and down as they learn the game.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Just like we'd beat Livingston and win at St Mirren.

I wouldn't bet on us beating anyone at present.

True, the way we have been playing for months now means we can't be confident of beating any team in the league. When a team isn't playing well all it can do is fight for points, in order to re-build confidence. We saw the fight against Rangers, but yesterday? We are in trouble...again, and it's worrying. We can't keep sacking manages with no improvement; that points to deeper problems. Those running the show need to have a deep think.

[Ronniekirk]

Hard to argue with HC post. Hibs try to play but we aren’t very good. Yesterday Porteous, Doidge and Cabraja were awful. When Miller came on he managed to give the ball away every time he had it. I’m not convinced anyone had had actually saw him play before we signed him. The midfield 3 are not bad players they just can’t play in the same team. Out of all the signings only Marshall looks the part. Youan may turn out to be ok but his sitter from inside the six yard box was unbelievable. He’s another striker that can not score. Hibs have had great support this season but I doubt we will sell many more home or away games with performances we are seeing.

And the irony is Marshal was a Maloney signing

[Ronniekirk]

LJ said after the Falkirk shambles that the midfield was a problem, he then lines the team up with the same midfield yesterday and it was the same again. A 1-0 defeat with zero creativity and dig in there. None of them are good enough. If you have a midfield like ours who can't compete with the likes of St Mirren then we are in big trouble.

He knows he is stuck with them as all on long term contracts thst we’re nothing to do with him .
But he must of seen enough of them by now to want to
Bring in better and do far better hasn’t That is down to him and recruitment team

[thebausburst]

We are no better than a St Mirren or Ross County and arguably worse, point is we are now a middling meh team and have been for a while tbh

[LunasBoots]

Slowly turning like Dundee for a while now.

[JammyDoidger]

The spine of the team still hasn't been sorted. A full window nearly bringing in over 10 players and still don't have a spine. Recruitment is an absolute disgrace.

[Hermit Crab]

Slowly turning like Dundee for a while now.


If we end up like them then we really are as well jacking it all in.

[Gordy M]

What i find odd is that almost every game, outwith old firm and possibly Hearts we have more of the ball, more shots, more territory etc and yet cant manage a run of wins? We have good players and what i mean ny that is that other teams would have them, but dont seem to be co-hesive as a team. Its rare that the majority of the players all play well at the same time. We have games where 2 or 3 play well, then the next week its a different 2 or 3? It seems to have been like this for a few years now.??

[matty_f]

The spine of the team still hasn't been sorted. A full window nearly bringing in over 10 players and still don't have a spine. Recruitment is an absolute disgrace.

It’s a disgrace that we’re still relying on Stevenson, Hanlon and McGregor. I have nothing but love for the three of them, but it’s a massive red flag on the recruitment that they’re still featuring as prominently this season. McGregor practically hung up his boots at this level at the end of last season and yet he’s on the bench.

It’s a disgrace that the midfield three that everyone can see doesn’t work, based on game after game after game of evidence, is still starting together.

And having to play Doidge, who (Clyde game aside) has not put in a performance anywhere close to the level we need for about a year now, is a disgrace.

[Hermit Crab]

It’s a disgrace that we’re still relying on Stevenson, Hanlon and McGregor. I have nothing but love for the three of them, but it’s a massive red flag on the recruitment that they’re still featuring as prominently this season. McGregor practically hung up his boots at this level at the end of last season and yet he’s on the bench.

It’s a disgrace that the midfield three that everyone can see doesn’t work, based on game after game after game of evidence, is still starting together.

And having to play Doidge, who (Clyde game aside) has not put in a performance anywhere close to the level we need for about a year now, is a disgrace.



They all need replaced in this window. Won't happen though. We are going to be left with poor players yet again and LJ will emptied by the time the world cup starts. Rinse/repeat with the revolving managers door.

[xqnq1875]

Wouldn’t blame Lj if he walks, he’s walked in to a difficult job with the board not anywhere near enough competent to sign any decent players, going to be another poor season


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[Keith_M]

Is this really the kind of threads we want on a Hibs Forum? -- 'Hibs are really, really crap'


By all means, analyse and criticise what you're not happy with but this is just ridiculous, and seems more like trolling than a genuine post.

[Callum_62]

Is this really the kind of threads we want on a Hibs Forum? -- 'Hibs are really, really crap'


By all means, analyse and criticise what you're not happy with but this is just ridiculous, and seems more like trolling than a genuine post.For a poster known to revel in the negative

I'm curious if this feels like all there Christmases coming at once?

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[Hermit Crab]

Is this really the kind of threads we want on a Hibs Forum? -- 'Hibs are really, really crap'


By all means, analyse and criticise what you're not happy with but this is just ridiculous, and seems more like trolling than a genuine post.


Its that ridiculous most of the posters seem to agree with my OP. :confused:

[Callum_62]

Its that ridiculous most of the posters seem to agree with my OP. :confused:You are the OP right?

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Edit - my misreading skills there [emoji106]

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[loanheadhibby]

Agree with the overall sentiment but in the venting of your spleen you also spout a bit of nonesense

There was nothing flukey about the win at St Johnstone, we were the better team from the off, a deserved win.

Nothing flukey or flattering in the wins v Clyde or Bonnyrigg.

Nothing flukey about the draws with Hearts or Rangers, both deserved points. Yes Rangers played the last 15 mins with 9 men but that's hardly on Hibs and Rangers took the lead with a phantom penalty.

Miller and Bojang not good enough, they've barely played. Surely new players need a chance.

Starting your post with painting a 5-0 win v Clyde as a negative really is something. Of course it was only Clyde but what's your point?

That apart - the losses to Livi and St Mirren were awful. The league cup exit embarrassing. Falkirk and Morton games awful aswell.

As you say a massive clear out of crap is required.

Nobody is happy with how it is going so far this season but lets not have this revisionism that all positive results arr only ever going to be flukey - just nonesense.

But do you really think we would have beaten an 11 man St Johnstone.
Possibly but I'm not convinced.

[Antonyopus]

LJ has more or less said that there is no money for new permanent players so it will be loan at best. That just won’t wash as there is zero commitment.

[McGruber]

LJ has more or less said that there is no money for new permanent players so it will be loan at best. That just won’t wash as there is zero commitment.

Not necessarily, depends on the player's attitude. There is loads of examples of committed loan players and loads of examples of players seemingly not comitted.

We would all prefer permanents obviously. I get the impression the budget is all but gone though and we won't bring in anyone of note

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is this really the kind of threads we want on a Hibs Forum? -- 'Hibs are really, really crap'


By all means, analyse and criticise what you're not happy with but this is just ridiculous, and seems more like trolling than a genuine post.

It’s hard to argue with though, so I’m not sure it’s trolling at all.

We’re really quite pish. I’m not sure how pointing that out is trolling.

[McGruber]

It’s hard to argue with though, so I’m not sure it’s trolling at all.

We’re really quite pish. I’m not sure how pointing that out is trolling.

It's not hard to argue at all. It is the guys opinion though so each to their own

[ancient hibee]

What i find odd is that almost every game, outwith old firm and possibly Hearts we have more of the ball, more shots, more territory etc and yet cant manage a run of wins? We have good players and what i mean ny that is that other teams would have them, but dont seem to be co-hesive as a team. Its rare that the majority of the players all play well at the same time. We have games where 2 or 3 play well, then the next week its a different 2 or 3? It seems to have been like this for a few years now.??

The importance of having more possession is grossly over estimated. It's what you do with it-taking the ball into pressure attacking situations not prodding it back and forward 20 yards on either side of the halfway line as we do.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's not hard to argue at all. It is the guys opinion though so each to their own

I’d love to see an argument put forward for us not being pish.

5 games, 5 points and knocked out the league cup by Falkirk, Clyde, Morton and Bonnyrigg. We’re terrible to watch and struggle to even create a chance most weeks. That’s pish.

[Onion]

The spine of the team still hasn't been sorted. A full window nearly bringing in over 10 players and still don't have a spine. Recruitment is an absolute disgrace.

Exactly this. Every single decent side has a strong spine. Marshall aside, the spine of the team is made of jelly. There is not a hope in Hell this spineless Hibs team will amount to anything.
The frustrating thing is that Hibs fans have know this for the last 12 months. 3 managers later and the square root of zero has being done about.

And don’t get me started on leaders abd leadership on the park.

[CapitalGreen]

LJ said after the Falkirk shambles that the midfield was a problem, he then lines the team up with the same midfield yesterday and it was the same again. A 1-0 defeat with zero creativity and dig in there. None of them are good enough. If you have a midfield like ours who can't compete with the likes of St Mirren then we are in big trouble.

Is this correct? In a zoom call with fans the day after the Falkirk game he said he was happy with the midfield 3 that started against Falkirk and said that he had no imminent plans to bring in another central midfielder.
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?358266-Tonight%92s-Zoom-chat-with-LJ-and-BK

[LancsHibs]

The spine of the team still hasn't been sorted. A full window nearly bringing in over 10 players and still don't have a spine. Recruitment is an absolute disgrace.

This is the problem. 100%

[GreenCastle]

Exactly this. Every single decent side has a strong spine. Marshall aside, the spine of the team is made of jelly. There is not a hope in Hell this spineless Hibs team will amount to anything.
The frustrating thing is that Hibs fans have know this for the last 12 months. 3 managers later and the square root of zero has being done about.

And don’t get me started on leaders abd leadership on the park.

It’s really hard to name leaders in the squad.

So many players with limited experience and others just so inconsistent.

Wonder if recruitment even have a way of measuring this or it’s just based on stats like pass completion etc.

[Gordy M]

The importance of having more possession is grossly over estimated. It's what you do with it-taking the ball into pressure attacking situations not prodding it back and forward 20 yards on either side of the halfway line as we do.

Yeh i agree about solely possession but id love to see another team that consisently has more possesion, shots on goal etc than the opposing team and loses/draws as many games as us. You can almost see it coming at games.....Livi away being the last. Its been going on years now.....i just find it strange.

[McGruber]

I’d love to see an argument put forward for us not being pish.

5 games, 5 points and knocked out the league cup by Falkirk, Clyde, Morton and Bonnyrigg. We’re terrible to watch and struggle to even create a chance most weeks. That’s pish.

I don't think we are pish I think we are inconsistent. We are capable of being pish any given game. We were pish at St Mirren yesterday - brutal infact.

We were not pish against St Johnstone, Hearts or Rangers in the league. Scroll back the forum to the aftermath of these games - Marshall a coup, Boyle an unbelievable piece of business, Cabraja excellent, Kenneh 'Rolls Royce', make Youan permanent immediately 'can't risk an Agathe situation' etc etc.

Scroll back the forum to the aftermath of Falkirk, Livingston, Morton, St Mirren and every player and employee at the club aren't good enough etc etc.

The league cup exit was a massive embarrassment. The performances against Falkirk and Morton were nothing short of pish. Despite your sensationalism neither Bonnyrigg or Clyde were involved in our failures given we beat them both well.

I'm not saying we are a good team and the positive results were through scintillating football - they weren't. I'm not saying we haven't been pish either - we have been, none more so than yesterday.

If we beat Killie next week the 'We are pish' gets replaced with 'just a few players short with big players still to come back from injury'. Personally I think we will win next week but we'll see.

Johnson hasn't had a great start and neither have some of the new players. Too many of the new players are somewhere between too young & too inexperienced. Perhaps simply not good enough, time will tell. They haven't had a great deal of time yet and I'm prepared to give them a fair crack of the whip before passing judgement.

The recruitment we are in unison about - we needed more experienced, proven quality at this level players. Good players not potentially good players. I'm sure in Johnson's mind anyway McGeady would have had a big part to play in that sense but unfortunately injury dictated otherwise.

We need some players in, centre back, centre mid and striker required. Nisbet and Magennis back a big bonus and changes our dynamic.

The manager himself said it would take time. We knew it would but we are all fickle arent we. Football fans are all about the here and now. Win the next couple games and all is rosey, lose them and the end is nigh. We are reactionary - see the glee post Rangers, the despair now.

Summary - I don't think we are pish I think we are inconsistent and were pish in our last game. I think overall the start to the season has been very disappointing. I think we will improve as the season goes on, I'm sure of it.
A win next week changes the narrative again - lets reconvene then

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think we are pish I think we are inconsistent. We are capable of being pish any given game. We were pish at St Mirren yesterday - brutal infact.

We were not pish against St Johnstone, Hearts or Rangers in the league. Scroll back the forum to the aftermath of these games - Marshall a coup, Boyle an unbelievable piece of business, Cabraja excellent, Kenneh 'Rolls Royce', make Youan permanent immediately 'can't risk an Agathe situation' etc etc.

Scroll back the forum to the aftermath of Falkirk, Livingston, Morton, St Mirren and every player and employee at the club aren't good enough etc etc.

The league cup exit was a massive embarrassment. The performances against Falkirk and Morton were nothing short of pish. Despite your sensationalism neither Bonnyrigg or Clyde were involved in our failures given we beat them both well.

I'm not saying we are a good team and the positive results were through scintillating football - they weren't. I'm not saying we haven't been pish either - we have been, none more so than yesterday.

If we beat Killie next week the 'We are pish' gets replaced with 'just a few players short with big players still to come back from injury'. Personally I think we will win next week but we'll see.

Johnson hasn't had a great start and neither have some of the new players. Too many of the new players are somewhere between too young & too inexperienced. Perhaps simply not good enough, time will tell. They haven't had a great deal of time yet and I'm prepared to give them a fair crack of the whip before passing judgement.

The recruitment we are in unison about - we needed more experienced, proven quality at this level players. Good players not potentially good players. I'm sure in Johnson's mind anyway McGeady would have had a big part to play in that sense but unfortunately injury dictated otherwise.

We need some players in, centre back, centre mid and striker required. Nisbet and Magennis back a big bonus and changes our dynamic.

The manager himself said it would take time. We knew it would but we are all fickle arent we. Football fans are all about the here and now. Win the next couple games and all is rosey, lose them and the end is nigh. We are reactionary - see the glee post Rangers, the despair now.

Summary - I don't think we are pish I think we are inconsistent and were pish in our last game. I think overall the start to the season has been very disappointing. I think we will improve as the season goes on, I'm sure of it.
A win next week changes the narrative again - lets reconvene then

Our results over a prolonged period of time have been worse than inconsistent.

None of us will disagree that we need the spine of a team signed. Problem is we’ve been needing, and neglecting, that for ages. Given Johnson’s comments yesterday, it doesn’t look like we’re going to get it.

Other than blind optimism, I can’t see what makes anyone think we’re going to see anything different.

[greenpaper55]

These results are nothing new, in some games such as against Rangers we put up a spirited fight against a team in top form only to go and get beaten by St Mirren, i can go back to the sixties and we did the exact same for much of the time. We beat an Aberdeen side who were unbeaten in thirteen games then next game against St Mirren..... you guessed it we got beaten. As long as we beat the teams around us we will just about be ok but i fear there is a cunning plan which only Ron and his son know about and i think it might be like Baldricks !

[cabbageandribs1875]

we've been inconsistent, what is it 8 wins out of the last 34, i'd say that's very consistent


consistently rank :(

[One Day Soon]

I don't think we are pish I think we are inconsistent. We are capable of being pish any given game. We were pish at St Mirren yesterday - brutal infact.

We were not pish against St Johnstone, Hearts or Rangers in the league. Scroll back the forum to the aftermath of these games - Marshall a coup, Boyle an unbelievable piece of business, Cabraja excellent, Kenneh 'Rolls Royce', make Youan permanent immediately 'can't risk an Agathe situation' etc etc.

Scroll back the forum to the aftermath of Falkirk, Livingston, Morton, St Mirren and every player and employee at the club aren't good enough etc etc.

The league cup exit was a massive embarrassment. The performances against Falkirk and Morton were nothing short of pish. Despite your sensationalism neither Bonnyrigg or Clyde were involved in our failures given we beat them both well.

I'm not saying we are a good team and the positive results were through scintillating football - they weren't. I'm not saying we haven't been pish either - we have been, none more so than yesterday.

If we beat Killie next week the 'We are pish' gets replaced with 'just a few players short with big players still to come back from injury'. Personally I think we will win next week but we'll see.

Johnson hasn't had a great start and neither have some of the new players. Too many of the new players are somewhere between too young & too inexperienced. Perhaps simply not good enough, time will tell. They haven't had a great deal of time yet and I'm prepared to give them a fair crack of the whip before passing judgement.

The recruitment we are in unison about - we needed more experienced, proven quality at this level players. Good players not potentially good players. I'm sure in Johnson's mind anyway McGeady would have had a big part to play in that sense but unfortunately injury dictated otherwise.

We need some players in, centre back, centre mid and striker required. Nisbet and Magennis back a big bonus and changes our dynamic.

The manager himself said it would take time. We knew it would but we are all fickle arent we. Football fans are all about the here and now. Win the next couple games and all is rosey, lose them and the end is nigh. We are reactionary - see the glee post Rangers, the despair now.

Summary - I don't think we are pish I think we are inconsistent and were pish in our last game. I think overall the start to the season has been very disappointing. I think we will improve as the season goes on, I'm sure of it.
A win next week changes the narrative again - lets reconvene then


I think we are pish AND inconsistent.

We were humiliated in the League Cup. We've managed some later than last minute recoveries of positions that would other wise have been pretty grim - and were still nothing to be proud of. Hearts should have beaten us by two or three and in the Rangers game we managed a draw at home against nine men where they were past our flanks and into our box repeatedly in the first half but let us off the hook by being clueless in the box.

We signed McGeady knowing he would be an injury risk and so it has proven.

We ignored the spine and we are now on a wing and a prayer that Nisbet and Magennis regain fitness and then form and then stay fit. Not signing first team starters for CB, CM and striker has meant that we have sleepwalked out of the League Cup and started the season like zombies.

We absolutely are 'just a few players short'. Unfortunately it's the same three player positions short that we have been short for months if not years now. What makes this all the worse is that not only have we failed to build the spine, we also seem to have failed to sign players capable of stepping in and playing the style that LJ promised - high tempo and high press football. So WTF exactly is the rational behind our signings strategy?

I think it is blindingly obvious now why the club went for LJ rather JDT. If it is true that JDT wanted a Director of Football, presumably it was because he wanted to sign players with experience and skill that meant they were good to go in the first 11 from the off.

I'm increasingly concerned that one of two things is going on here. Either the people running the club day to day are just incompetent - which certainly seems plausible - or we are being structured quite intentionally to be a club without any loftier ambitions than to showcase and sell on players we have brought in simply for the purpose of trading them up at a profit.

Whatever is going on we are currently, as the OP suggests, really, really crap.

[McGruber]

we've been inconsistent, what is it 8 wins out of the last 34, i'd say that's very consistent


consistently rank :(

Whilst that's true and the posts with the stats are grim, Johnson isn't accountable for those 34 games so not really sure what the point is. We were murder latterly under Ross and vast majority of Maloney, they both paid for it woth their jobs. If Johnson doesn't improve on results he'll be shown the door too. Not been a great start by any stretch and last time out brutal. Whether he improves us time will tell. He hasn't had enough time yet and what's went before is pretty much irrelevant.

[hibsbollah]

I think we are pish AND inconsistent.

We were humiliated in the League Cup. We've managed some later than last minute recoveries of positions that would other wise have been pretty grim - and were still nothing to be proud of. Hearts should have beaten us by two or three and in the Rangers game we managed a draw at home against nine men where they were past our flanks and into our box repeatedly in the first half but let us off the hook by being clueless in the box.

We signed McGeady knowing he would be an injury risk and so it has proven.

We ignored the spine and we are now on a wing and a prayer that Nisbet and Magennis regain fitness and then form and then stay fit. Not signing first team starters for CB, CM and striker has meant that we have sleepwalked out of the League Cup and started the season like zombies.

We absolutely are 'just a few players short'. Unfortunately it's the same three player positions short that we have been short for months if not years now. What makes this all the worse is that not only have we failed to build the spine, we also seem to have failed to sign players capable of stepping in and playing the style that LJ promised - high tempo and high press football. So WTF exactly is the rational behind our signings strategy?

I think it is blindingly obvious now why the club went for LJ rather JDT. If it is true that JDT wanted a Director of Football, presumably it was because he wanted to sign players with experience and skill that meant they were good to go in the first 11 from the off.

I'm increasingly concerned that one of two things is going on here. Either the people running the club day to day are just incompetent - which certainly seems plausible - or we are being structured quite intentionally to be a club without any loftier ambitions than to showcase and sell on players we have brought in simply for the purpose of trading them up at a profit.

Whatever is going on we are currently, as the OP suggests, really, really crap.

You’re overegging your pudding there. We were well worth the points against Rangers and Hearts (Hearts should have beaten us ‘by two or three’really??). The start of the season has yielded 5 points from 15. Not good at all, but the two draws were our best performances, fantastic limbs and hugging strangers action (which is why we all go to games obviously), and were in NO way lucky. We will have some special moments again this season.

[McGruber]

I think we are pish AND inconsistent.

We were humiliated in the League Cup. We've managed some later than last minute recoveries of positions that would other wise have been pretty grim - and were still nothing to be proud of. Hearts should have beaten us by two or three and in the Rangers game we managed a draw at home against nine men where they were past our flanks and into our box repeatedly in the first half but let us off the hook by being clueless in the box.

We signed McGeady knowing he would be an injury risk and so it has proven.

We ignored the spine and we are now on a wing and a prayer that Nisbet and Magennis regain fitness and then form and then stay fit. Not signing first team starters for CB, CM and striker has meant that we have sleepwalked out of the League Cup and started the season like zombies.

We absolutely are 'just a few players short'. Unfortunately it's the same three player positions short that we have been short for months if not years now. What makes this all the worse is that not only have we failed to build the spine, we also seem to have failed to sign players capable of stepping in and playing the style that LJ promised - high tempo and high press football. So WTF exactly is the rational behind our signings strategy?

I think it is blindingly obvious now why the club went for LJ rather JDT. If it is true that JDT wanted a Director of Football, presumably it was because he wanted to sign players with experience and skill that meant they were good to go in the first 11 from the off.

I'm increasingly concerned that one of two things is going on here. Either the people running the club day to day are just incompetent - which certainly seems plausible - or we are being structured quite intentionally to be a club without any loftier ambitions than to showcase and sell on players we have brought in simply for the purpose of trading them up at a profit.

Whatever is going on we are currently, as the OP suggests, really, really crap.

I imagine you'd think I disagree with you but I agree with most of what you say. Recruitment, players, the spine of the team, McGeady being a risk etc. You are not wrong with it.

I don't agree with the Hearts and Rangers remarks and late goals - games are played until the ref blows the whistle. A goal counts the same in the first minute as it does the last minute.

We weren't really really crap against Hearts, Rangers, StJohnstone, Clyde & Bonnyrigg

We were really really crap v St Mirren, Livi, Morton & Falkirk

Overall it's not been good enough clearly - but some reactions are OTT - this thread being one of them. A win next week and this thread will fall off the first page, a loss and it will be up the top with this post being quoted back to me.

[One Day Soon]

You’re overegging your pudding there. We were well worth the points against Rangers and Hearts (Hearts should have beaten us ‘by two or three’really??). The start of the season has yielded 5 points from 15. Not good at all, but the two draws were our best performances, fantastic limbs and hugging strangers action (which is why we all go to games obviously), and were in NO way lucky. We will have some special moments again this season.

I'd love you to be right but unless we make at least two significant signings before this window closes I fear you will be proven wrong. 'You don't know what you're doing' is a song that could be legitimately sung at our present custodians.

[One Day Soon]

I imagine you'd think I disagree with you but I agree with most of what you say. Recruitment, players, the spine of the team, McGeady being a risk etc. You are not wrong with it.

I don't agree with the Hearts and Rangers remarks and late goals - games are played until the ref blows the whistle. A goal counts the same in the first minute as it does the last minute.

We weren't really really crap against Hearts, Rangers, StJohnstone, Clyde & Bonnyrigg

We were really really crap v St Mirren, Livi, Morton & Falkirk

Overall it's not been good enough clearly - but some reactions are OTT - this thread being one of them. A win next week and this thread will fall off the first page, a loss and it will be up the top with this post being quoted back to me.


I think we lack pace, punch, guile, speed of thought, leadership, pattern, flexibility, purpose and guts. Rangers being reduced to nine men and our getting a draw from it hid a multitude of sins. We're not getting results, we're not getting performances and we don't appear to be getting the cavalry before the window closes if LJ is to be believed. Best buckle up, its going to be ugly.

[hibsbollah]

I'd love you to be right but unless we make at least two significant signings before this window closes I fear you will be proven wrong. 'You don't know what you're doing' is a song that could be legitimately sung at our present custodians.

The problem is Who. It’s always easy to find the problem, less easy to provide the solution.

I mentioned Barry Bannan earlier as a possible signing that could excite the fans, 25+ Scotland caps, folk that know more than me about that level say he is the standout CM in league 1 , might welcome a move home at 32, I thought? I just checked his salary at Sheffield Wednesday just now, a reported 24k a week. So I may as well keep my mouth shut on individual signing matters I reckon :greengrin

[truehibernian]

The problem is Who. It’s always easy to find the problem, less easy to provide the solution.

I mentioned Barry Bannan earlier as a possible signing that could excite the fans, 25+ Scotland caps, folk that know more than me about that level say he is the standout CM in league 1 , might welcome a move home at 32, I thought? I just checked his salary at Sheffield Wednesday just now, a reported 24k a week. So I may as well keep my mouth shut on individual signing matters I reckon :greengrin

For me Bollah, we should go back to what we did under Stubbs and cherry pick a couple of loans from Celtic and The Rangers and add in a couple of hungry Championship players. Know the league, fit and can play immediately, and have something to prove.

A few I would go for would be Lowry at The Rangers, Tiffoney at Partick Thistle, McCarthy at Celtic for experience in the middle, and Katic at Rangers. Some may not want to come, some may want higher level. But that is where we should be looking, Not Rainbow FC and Benfica B :rolleyes:

[Bridge hibs]

For me Bollah, we should go back to what we did under Stubbs and cherry pick a couple of loans from Celtic and The Rangers and add in a couple of hungry Championship players. Know the league, fit and can play immediately, and have something to prove.

A few I would go for would be Lowry at The Rangers, Tiffoney at Partick Thistle, McCarthy at Celtic for experience in the middle, and Katic at Rangers. Some may not want to come, some may want higher level. But that is where we should be looking, Not Rainbow FC and Benfica B :rolleyes:Think Lowry has a bad injury so that rules that one out and to add to that the rangers rate him very highly, Tiffoney would probably be the only realistic target of whom you have mentioned

[truehibernian]

Think Lowry has a bad injury so that rules that one out and to add to that the rangers rate him very highly, Tiffoney would probably be the only realistic target of whom you have mentioned

Didn’t realise the Lowry injury mate, but I’d say McCarthy and Tiffoney are realistic, Katic may just want regular football.

Folk would undoubtedly turn their nose up at Tiffoney for example, but every time I’ve seen him he’s way above that level and deserves a chance. Very talented boy 👍

[Hermit Crab]

Didn’t realise the Lowry injury mate, but I’d say McCarthy and Tiffoney are realistic, Katic may just want regular football.

Folk would undoubtedly turn their nose up at Tiffoney for example, but every time I’ve seen him he’s way above that level and deserves a chance. Very talented boy ��


Exactly like Tait yet he can't even get place on the bench. We are wasting a seriously good talent there. We will piss him off so much that he will leave and it will come back to haunt us.

[green day]

Exactly like Tait yet he can't even get place on the bench. We are wasting a seriously good talent there. We will piss him off so much that he will leave and it will come back to haunt us.

There must be a story here (outside the "doesnt work hard off the ball" nonsense), any ideas?

[Hermit Crab]

There must be a story here (outside the "doesnt work hard off the ball" nonsense), any ideas?


Heard rumours of a falling out but thats it, nothing concrete.

[ekhibee]

I'd love you to be right but unless we make at least two significant signings before this window closes I fear you will be proven wrong. 'You don't know what you're doing' is a song that could be legitimately sung at our present custodians.

I totally get what you're saying and agree with an awful lot of it. But our main problem is not only not having good players in certain positions, it's having players that can replace them adequately when they get injured, which seems to be inevitable at Hibs. If Boyle gets injured we don't have a good enough replacement. Magennis is out long term and we've not got anywhere near finding somebody that can step into his shoes and do a job. In terms of goals we haven't replaced Nisbet while he's out. We have a big squad full of average and less than average players who we are going to struggle to get rid of and bring in better replacements without spending a lot more than we have.

[Since452]

Exactly like Tait yet he can't even get place on the bench. We are wasting a seriously good talent there. We will piss him off so much that he will leave and it will come back to haunt us.

I thought he was injured

[Since452]

People wanting instant success aren't living in the real world. There was a lot of damage done last season that won't be fixed over night. There are players we can't shift because of long contracts etc. LJ has already said there are players best served playing their football elsewhere but his hands are tied. I fully expect this season to be up and down with more downs than ups.

[Callum_62]

Didn’t realise the Lowry injury mate, but I’d say McCarthy and Tiffoney are realistic, Katic may just want regular football.

Folk would undoubtedly turn their nose up at Tiffoney for example, but every time I’ve seen him he’s way above that level and deserves a chance. Very talented boy [emoji106]Tiffoney was at livi and we'll below average

Maybe he's improved but that would have to have been alot

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[Paulie Walnuts]

People wanting instant success aren't living in the real world. There was a lot of damage done last season that won't be fixed over night. There are players we can't shift because of long contracts etc. LJ has already said there are players best served playing their football elsewhere but his hands are tied. I fully expect this season to be up and down with more downs than ups.

Are we not? Why is it not living in the real world when it comes to Hibs yet we’ve watched Hearts and Aberdeen both achieve huge turn arounds extremely quickly? Aberdeen were worse than us last year but now look well ahead of us and probably stick ons for top 4. Hearts got relegated, romped the league, knocked us out the cup and then the next season strolled third.

Why is it possible for them but not for us?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't think we are pish I think we are inconsistent. We are capable of being pish any given game. We were pish at St Mirren yesterday - brutal infact.

We were not pish against St Johnstone, Hearts or Rangers in the league. Scroll back the forum to the aftermath of these games - Marshall a coup, Boyle an unbelievable piece of business, Cabraja excellent, Kenneh 'Rolls Royce', make Youan permanent immediately 'can't risk an Agathe situation' etc etc.

Scroll back the forum to the aftermath of Falkirk, Livingston, Morton, St Mirren and every player and employee at the club aren't good enough etc etc.

The league cup exit was a massive embarrassment. The performances against Falkirk and Morton were nothing short of pish. Despite your sensationalism neither Bonnyrigg or Clyde were involved in our failures given we beat them both well.

I'm not saying we are a good team and the positive results were through scintillating football - they weren't. I'm not saying we haven't been pish either - we have been, none more so than yesterday.

If we beat Killie next week the 'We are pish' gets replaced with 'just a few players short with big players still to come back from injury'. Personally I think we will win next week but we'll see.

Johnson hasn't had a great start and neither have some of the new players. Too many of the new players are somewhere between too young & too inexperienced. Perhaps simply not good enough, time will tell. They haven't had a great deal of time yet and I'm prepared to give them a fair crack of the whip before passing judgement.

The recruitment we are in unison about - we needed more experienced, proven quality at this level players. Good players not potentially good players. I'm sure in Johnson's mind anyway McGeady would have had a big part to play in that sense but unfortunately injury dictated otherwise.

We need some players in, centre back, centre mid and striker required. Nisbet and Magennis back a big bonus and changes our dynamic.

The manager himself said it would take time. We knew it would but we are all fickle arent we. Football fans are all about the here and now. Win the next couple games and all is rosey, lose them and the end is nigh. We are reactionary - see the glee post Rangers, the despair now.

Summary - I don't think we are pish I think we are inconsistent and were pish in our last game. I think overall the start to the season has been very disappointing. I think we will improve as the season goes on, I'm sure of it.
A win next week changes the narrative again - lets reconvene then

Fair enough if that’s what you think but I don’t even come close to agreeing with most of it. BHFC has pretty much covered why.

[JammyDoidger]

I got Absolutely slaughtered and called a jambo for pointing out our how bad we were against St.Johnstone, we are mince and the new signings have barely contributed a thing. We've just added crap to more crap. Build us a spine and then sprinkle a bit magic round the sides.

[Henderson2Del]

There will be loads that don't though. Happy clapping at its finest.

Surely it’s getting near impossible to disagree with this. The facts and results stand out and show it’s true

[Trinity Hibee]

So frustrating we can’t sustain a challenge for 3rd place more than one season a decade. Fans deserve so much better. The amount of times clubs with less budgets have finished above us is depressing. Been that way since day one so maybe we need to revise our expectations sadly.

[H18S NX]

I think we are pish AND inconsistent.

We were humiliated in the League Cup. We've managed some later than last minute recoveries of positions that would other wise have been pretty grim - and were still nothing to be proud of. Hearts should have beaten us by two or three and in the Rangers game we managed a draw at home against nine men where they were past our flanks and into our box repeatedly in the first half but let us off the hook by being clueless in the box.

We signed McGeady knowing he would be an injury risk and so it has proven.

We ignored the spine and we are now on a wing and a prayer that Nisbet and Magennis regain fitness and then form and then stay fit. Not signing first team starters for CB, CM and striker has meant that we have sleepwalked out of the League Cup and started the season like zombies.

We absolutely are 'just a few players short'. Unfortunately it's the same three player positions short that we have been short for months if not years now. What makes this all the worse is that not only have we failed to build the spine, we also seem to have failed to sign players capable of stepping in and playing the style that LJ promised - high tempo and high press football. So WTF exactly is the rational behind our signings strategy?

I think it is blindingly obvious now why the club went for LJ rather JDT. If it is true that JDT wanted a Director of Football, presumably it was because he wanted to sign players with experience and skill that meant they were good to go in the first 11 from the off.

I'm increasingly concerned that one of two things is going on here. Either the people running the club day to day are just incompetent - which certainly seems plausible - or we are being structured quite intentionally to be a club without any loftier ambitions than to showcase and sell on players we have brought in simply for the purpose of trading them up at a profit.

Whatever is going on we are currently, as the OP suggests, really, really crap....Spot on:top marks

[GreenCastle]

Are we not? Why is it not living in the real world when it comes to Hibs yet we’ve watched Hearts and Aberdeen both achieve huge turn arounds extremely quickly? Aberdeen were worse than us last year but now look well ahead of us and probably stick ons for top 4. Hearts got relegated, romped the league, knocked us out the cup and then the next season strolled third.

Why is it possible for them but not for us?

Exactly.

It nearly feels like we are still going backwards.

We are inconsistent as we sign unproven - young players who are going to make mistakes and confidence levels will go up and down. We need solid pros who are robust - can play games regularly and performances are consistent. This is where recruitment is going wrong!!

I was impressed with the pre-season games against Portugal. Ok awful opposition but we looked different.

We have gone back to the same mince as before but guess what same players.

I would rather watch Tait and Delferriere play than the same old slow, dull midfield and we have just now.

The patience - transition - give the manager time chat is just weak.

Fans are allowed to demand more - there have been enough warning signs already to show we are seriously under performing.

The club has 4 days to fix this mess - top 6 is a minimum target and there are only 2 spots up for grabs as Celtic - Rangers - Aberdeen and Hearts will take up 4 spaces.

[B.H.F.C]

People wanting instant success aren't living in the real world. There was a lot of damage done last season that won't be fixed over night. There are players we can't shift because of long contracts etc. LJ has already said there are players best served playing their football elsewhere but his hands are tied. I fully expect this season to be up and down with more downs than ups.

I think pretty much everyone realises we’re a complete mess just now.

Instant success ain’t happening. But as it stands, it looks like we are going to regress rather than progress.

At the moment I don’t see any sign of what we’re trying to build as a team and if the club don’t put their hand in their pocket this week, we could end up in big trouble IMO.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think pretty much everyone realises we’re a complete mess just now.

Instant success ain’t happening. But as it stands, it looks like we are going to regress rather than progress.

At the moment I don’t see any sign of what we’re trying to build as a team and if the club don’t put their hand in their pocket this week, we could end up in big trouble IMO.

Thing is, instant success can happen. We see it all the time in Scottish football. We look likely to see it with Aberdeen this year. Hearts have done it straight after getting relegated.

It won’t happen with us because we’re an utter shambles and the people who need to be performing well in their role to allow us that instant success are nowhere near good enough at their jobs.

If we actually signed some players of a good standard and replaced our joke of a recruitment team to allow us to do that then we to could have instant success. Unfortunately these things won’t happen.

[donno]

Are we not? Why is it not living in the real world when it comes to Hibs yet we’ve watched Hearts and Aberdeen both achieve huge turn arounds extremely quickly? Aberdeen were worse than us last year but now look well ahead of us and probably stick ons for top 4. Hearts got relegated, romped the league, knocked us out the cup and then the next season strolled third.

Why is it possible for them but not for us?Hearts went through exactly what we are experiencing now. A managerial merry go round, and ***** signings with no direction.
It took them being relegated, and Budge handing football matters to someone who knew what the were doing, who wasn't named Levien, for their turnaround to happen.
Unless footballing people are employed ASAP, then we may end up going the same route, but without the romping of the championship, and 3rd place result!

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[loanheadhibby]

I don't think we are pish I think we are inconsistent. We are capable of being pish any given game. We were pish at St Mirren yesterday - brutal infact.

We were not pish against St Johnstone, Hearts or Rangers in the league. Scroll back the forum to the aftermath of these games - Marshall a coup, Boyle an unbelievable piece of business, Cabraja excellent, Kenneh 'Rolls Royce', make Youan permanent immediately 'can't risk an Agathe situation' etc etc.

Scroll back the forum to the aftermath of Falkirk, Livingston, Morton, St Mirren and every player and employee at the club aren't good enough etc etc.

The league cup exit was a massive embarrassment. The performances against Falkirk and Morton were nothing short of pish. Despite your sensationalism neither Bonnyrigg or Clyde were involved in our failures given we beat them both well.

I'm not saying we are a good team and the positive results were through scintillating football - they weren't. I'm not saying we haven't been pish either - we have been, none more so than yesterday.

If we beat Killie next week the 'We are pish' gets replaced with 'just a few players short with big players still to come back from injury'. Personally I think we will win next week but we'll see.

Johnson hasn't had a great start and neither have some of the new players. Too many of the new players are somewhere between too young & too inexperienced. Perhaps simply not good enough, time will tell. They haven't had a great deal of time yet and I'm prepared to give them a fair crack of the whip before passing judgement.

The recruitment we are in unison about - we needed more experienced, proven quality at this level players. Good players not potentially good players. I'm sure in Johnson's mind anyway McGeady would have had a big part to play in that sense but unfortunately injury dictated otherwise.

We need some players in, centre back, centre mid and striker required. Nisbet and Magennis back a big bonus and changes our dynamic.

The manager himself said it would take time. We knew it would but we are all fickle arent we. Football fans are all about the here and now. Win the next couple games and all is rosey, lose them and the end is nigh. We are reactionary - see the glee post Rangers, the despair now.

Summary - I don't think we are pish I think we are inconsistent and were pish in our last game. I think overall the start to the season has been very disappointing. I think we will improve as the season goes on, I'm sure of it.
A win next week changes the narrative again - lets reconvene then
We are consistent, consistently poor most weeks.
Let's be honest we beat St Johnstone who were down to 10 for the last half hour.
Great to score a last second goal v Hearts but I felt we were slightly fortunate.
Again fantastic to grab a point v Rangers and although not our fault they were down to 9.
We are in my opinion a bit lucky to have 5 points.
We have a bottom 6 squad which is a sad indictment of how our club is being run.

[He's here!]

People wanting instant success aren't living in the real world. There was a lot of damage done last season that won't be fixed over night. There are players we can't shift because of long contracts etc. LJ has already said there are players best served playing their football elsewhere but his hands are tied. I fully expect this season to be up and down with more downs than ups.

I'm not expecting instant success, but it's not unreasonable to expect a club with our resources to be producing significantly better than we are. Saturday's performance was a disgrace and fans are entitled to ask questions of a management who couldn't cajole more out of their players. I heard McAllister interviewed before the game talking about taking the positives out of the Rangers game, starting on the front foot and getting the first goal. As soon as we went a goal down there was a sense we were beaten. Why is that? Why was the response not better? As the OP suggests, maybe we're just really c**p and simply weren't capable of turning the game around.

I don't buy into the 'LJ's hands are tied' claims. Sure, he's unhappy with some of the players he's inherited but he's signed plenty of his own and, unlike his three predecessors he's had the whole close season to work with the squad. Personally I won't be too surprised if he's away before the World Cup.

[Since452]

70% possession, 10 corners and 15 shots should be producing better than a 1-0 defeat. I'm sure we'll improve.

[B.H.F.C]

70% possession, 10 corners and 15 shots should be producing better than a 1-0 defeat. I'm sure we'll improve.

15 shots makes it sound like we were knocking at the door but we weren’t. Not at all. I think Newell had one decent effort from the edge of the box but other than that I can’t really recall any proper chances.

[He's here!]

70% possession, 10 corners and 15 shots should be producing better than a 1-0 defeat. I'm sure we'll improve.

That makes it sound like we were well in the game when in fact we never really looked like getting on top and if anything Saints could have won by more.

I'm far from sure we'll improve. Unlike under, say, McLeish, Mowbray and Stubbs, there's currently no sense of structured progress and each week just seems to be hit or miss whether we put in some sort of performance.

[Waxy]

Not out of August and we’ve been on rollercoaster already.
We’re probably as fans going to have to be patient here.
At least we’re not Dundee utd.

[eastterrace]

Not out of August and we’ve been on rollercoaster already.
We’re probably as fans going to have to be patient here.
At least we’re not Dundee utd.
We could be dundee United in two weeks time that’s what’s worrying me

[Paulie Walnuts]

70% possession, 10 corners and 15 shots should be producing better than a 1-0 defeat. I'm sure we'll improve.

We were abysmal on Saturday and lucky not to be beat by more.

Stats can attempt to hide it, but everyone that watches the game know we weren’t deserving of anything from the game.

[truehibernian]

70% possession, 10 corners and 15 shots should be producing better than a 1-0 defeat. I'm sure we'll improve.

Factor in Brophy hitting the woodwork, the goal scorer missing a sitter, then skying a shot over last minutes, and Marshall pulling off a great save, they did more with 30% possession than we did - can’t wait until we face teams who have 50/60% possession against us 🥺😳

New manager, new players, new attacking philosophy - you’re damn sure I’m expecting better immediately, and I’m living in the real world. Beaten and outplayed by Falkirk, Livi, and St Mirren already in competitive games, out a cup and it’s not even end of August. That’s reality.

[JimBHibees]

15 shots makes it sound like we were knocking at the door but we weren’t. Not at all. I think Newell had one decent effort from the edge of the box but other than that I can’t really recall any proper chances.

Youhan miss was a shocker

[CapitalGreen]

70% possession, 10 corners and 15 shots should be producing better than a 1-0 defeat. I'm sure we'll improve.

We always have lots of possession because teams are happy to concede some possession to us knowing we’ll do nothing with it. Our play is so ponderous that opposition teams are able to get all their players back in position and set for a low block before we even think about moving the ball forward.

[BoomtownHibees]

Youhan miss was a shocker

It was but he was flagged for offside anyway so wouldn’t have counted. Got to put the ball in the net from there tho

[Hermit Crab]

It was but he was flagged for offside anyway so wouldn’t have counted. Got to put the ball in the net from there tho


You sure? I don't recall an offside, just a glaring miss that the open all mics team on sport sound were seemingly laughing about.

[Hermit Crab]

I thought he was injured



Never heard that, he's not been playing so if he is injured then it must have been a training ground incident. :confused:

[Callum_62]

It was but he was flagged for offside anyway so wouldn’t have counted. Got to put the ball in the net from there thoI didn't see it being flagged for Offside?

It wnet out from a by kick after he somehow missed the target from 4 yards out

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[Sir David Gray]

It was but he was flagged for offside anyway so wouldn’t have counted. Got to put the ball in the net from there tho

I don't believe that was called offside.

[Leith Green]

I don't believe that was called offside.

I thought the lino flagged for offside rather than a goal Kick at the time. Could be wrong though , because it would be similar action from the lino.. What cant be disputed is how awful the finish from youan was 🙈

[Alfred E Newman]

Hearts went through exactly what we are experiencing now. A managerial merry go round, and ***** signings with no direction.
It took them being relegated, and Budge handing football matters to someone who knew what the were doing, who wasn't named Levien, for their turnaround to happen.
Unless footballing people are employed ASAP, then we may end up going the same route, but without the romping of the championship, and 3rd place result!

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We went through the same thing 8 years ago. We also turned things around but have completely blown it.

[Basildon Hibs]

Beat Clyde, possibly the worst team in Scottish league football 5-0, flattering to say the least.

Lost to Falkirk 1-0 with a midfield of Doyle-Hayes, Campbell and Newell. They can't play together.

Beat Bonnyrigg but 1-4 flattered us.

Drew with Morton, shocking display and deserved to lose the bonus point on pens, pumped out the league cup, good chance of competing for silverware blown at the first hurdle.

Fluked a 0-1 away to St Johnstone, needing to play against 10 men to get a result.

Fluked a draw v Hearts who should have been 3 or 4 up before we equalised.

Shocking performance away to Livvy with Jair looking like he'd never played football before with Hanlon and Porteous made to look like Sunday league players by the boy Nouble up front for Livvy. They deserved their 2-1 win

Fluked a 2-2 draw v Rangers, someone said on here we drew with a champions league side (laughable), yeah we did but they had 9 men when we equalised.

Today, absolute crap. Not a single player gets any pass marks bar Marshall who saved us from a heavy defeat. Every one of them should be ashamed of that today, Hanlon, Porteous, Newell and Doidge in particular. Get rid of them. St Mirren deserved the 1-0 win.

Massive clear out of the crap is required starting with...

Hanlon - Empty
Porteous - Empty
Newell - Empty
Campbell - Empty
JDH - Empty
Doidge - Absolutely effing empty now!
Bojang - Empty
Miller - Empty

Every season we get promised good signings, good performances and challenging for Europe etc. We never get any of it. Time to stop dining out on that cup win and start putting a winning team on the park because at this rate we will be losing fans on a weekly basis with performances like today. Once they've gone its hard to get them back.

Get the finger out Hibs, this means you as well Ron.

👍👍

[Gordy M]

Just for a touch of balance re Aberdeen, they have won 3 games, 2 of which were against 10 men for the majority of the game.....which as we have seen from posts on here doesnt really count. When they played against 11, they got beat of Motherwell, at home.....im not sure they are as far ahead as some folk seem to think.

[B.H.F.C]

Just for a touch of balance re Aberdeen, they have won 3 games, 2 of which were against 10 men for the majority of the game.....which as we have seen from posts on here doesnt really count. When they played against 11, they got beat of Motherwell, at home.....im not sure they are as far ahead as some folk seem to think.

Aberdeen still got a lot to prove. But they’ve got a goalscorer which makes all the difference. And in those two games against 10 men they’ve been pretty ruthless when they’ve had the extra man, 9 goals I think they’ve got in them. Whereas it’ll be October by the time we’ve scored 9 goals.

[Callum_62]

Just for a touch of balance re Aberdeen, they have won 3 games, 2 of which were against 10 men for the majority of the game.....which as we have seen from posts on here doesnt really count. When they played against 11, they got beat of Motherwell, at home.....im not sure they are as far ahead as some folk seem to think.I agree although I like the look of the boy upfront

10 men against livi, another 2 penalties - we can all find reasons of why teams win and discount them through lucky, a late goal, player being sent off or whatever

They have put some points on the board after an underwhelming start

Let's see if they continue the form

One things for sure, with besuijen playing they will get a fair sure of penalties via dives

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[007]

I thought the lino flagged for offside rather than a goal Kick at the time. Could be wrong though , because it would be similar action from the lino.. What cant be disputed is how awful the finish from youan was 🙈

I thought it was given as offside too but said at the time it didn't look offside to me.

[007]

I agree although I like the look of the boy upfront

10 men against livi, another 2 penalties - we can all find reasons of why teams win and discount them through lucky, a late goal, player being sent off or whatever

They have put some points on the board after an underwhelming start

Let's see if they continue the form

One things for sure, with besuijen playing they will get a fair sure of penalties via dives

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Totally cheated to get a penalty for the 1st goal and Livi player a straight red. Hopefully VAR sorts out that kind of cheating but not convinced it will.

https://youtu.be/clwHI6VGMZY?t=30

[He's here!]

3 points out of 15 and we're still clinging on to a top 4 place - but are actually closer to bottom spot than top spot after just 14 games. It's clearly not just Hibs who are crap, it's the whole league outwith the top two (and when look at the pastings those two have taken in Europe it's not as though they're anything special either).

[matty_f]

We ****ing love a wee wallow in misery on this site, eh?

Imagine pulling this thread back up. Ffs.

[Keith_M]

We ****ing love a wee wallow in misery on this site, eh?

Imagine pulling this thread back up. Ffs.


I've just had a good moan on one of the other threads but I honestly can't believe somebody decided to re-open this ****show of a thread.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Aberdeen still got a lot to prove. But they’ve got a goalscorer which makes all the difference. And in those two games against 10 men they’ve been pretty ruthless when they’ve had the extra man, 9 goals I think they’ve got in them. Whereas it’ll be October by the time we’ve scored 9 goals.

AbVARdeen are utterly rank. That's VAR let Hibs and Motherell down interestingly enough against them...the huns of of the north.

[danhibees1875]

3 points out of 15 and we're still clinging on to a top 4 place - but are actually closer to bottom spot than top spot after just 14 games. It's clearly not just Hibs who are crap, it's the whole league outwith the top two (and when look at the pastings those two have taken in Europe it's not as though they're anything special either).

The old firm are finally starting dominate things I see? :greengrin

We're 2 points off 3rd, the best we're going to achieve. That's despite a poor run, and is testament to our previous good form.

Next 2 are important. We could do with going into the break with a positive outlook, ideally on 26 points.

[easty]

We ****ing love a wee wallow in misery on this site, eh?

Imagine pulling this thread back up. Ffs.

It’s minging eh.

You know it’s coming though.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

3 points out of 15 and we're still clinging on to a top 4 place - but are actually closer to bottom spot than top spot after just 14 games. It's clearly not just Hibs who are crap, it's the whole league outwith the top two (and when look at the pastings those two have taken in Europe it's not as though they're anything special either).

Perhaps Scottish football isn't for you.

[superfurryhibby]

It’s minging eh.

You know it’s coming though.

Some real wallopers on here who can’t wait until Hibs lose, so they can trot out the usual tired tropes.

An exercise in left handed typing and self loathing.

[He's here!]

AbVARdeen are utterly rank. That's VAR let Hibs and Motherell down interestingly enough against them...the huns of of the north.

If they're rank what are we?

[tamig]

Some real wallopers on here who can’t wait until Hibs lose, so they can trot out the usual tired tropes.

An exercise in left handed typing and self loathing.

My only surprise was it wasn’t the original OP who resurrected it. Some of the negative pish on here is baffling.

[Hermit Crab]

My only surprise was it wasn’t the original OP who resurrected it. Some of the negative pish on here is baffling.


We are crap and we toil 11v11.

[Donegal Hibby]

Lets Face it , On a scale of one to ten on this thread being just really , really crap' I give it a :top marks

[WeeRussell]

Perhaps Scottish football isn't for you.

Doesn’t like anything Scottish. Apparently isn’t that bothered about football and Hibs these days so strange he’s went to the effort of finding this thread to resurrect it.

Long-term troll.

[Brummie_Hibs]

We aren't crap, we just can't score when we are dominating.

Last night we played some great football in spells. We lost a goal at the wrong time and in the wrong circumstances, and that ripped the heart out of us.

We maybe need more fight and a few changes.

[tamig]

We are crap and we toil 11v11.

As you’ve incorrectly stated several times. We didn’t struggle too badly against 11 last night. Poor finishing and defending done us. Simple as that.

[He's here!]

We are crap and we toil 11v11.

I didn't previously agree with that but I'm starting to think it has some credence.

[B.H.F.C]

As you’ve incorrectly stated several times. We didn’t struggle too badly against 11 last night. Poor finishing and defending done us. Simple as that.

Struggling to score and failing to defend are fundamental parts of the game so I’d say we struggled.

I thought we were comfortable in the first half but didn’t look like scoring. We just huff and puff and then, as soon as something goes against us, we fall to bits.

[blackpoolhibs]

As you’ve incorrectly stated several times. We didn’t struggle too badly against 11 last night. Poor finishing and defending done us. Simple as that.

Apart from struggling to score and struggling to keep goals out, you are 100% correct.

[BoomtownHibees]

As you’ve incorrectly stated several times. We didn’t struggle too badly against 11 last night. Poor finishing and defending done us. Simple as that.

Pumped 4-1 but didn’t struggle

[He's here!]

Doesn’t like anything Scottish. Apparently isn’t that bothered about football and Hibs these days so strange he’s went to the effort of finding this thread to resurrect it.

Long-term troll.

That's harsh. I'm a lifelong and knowledgeable Hibs fan. That will never change. However, calling things as you see them isn't trolling and IMHO the club has been doing little more than treading water for some time now. By Scottish football standards we're better resourced than most yet regularly ship points to smaller clubs. I think we are entitled to expect better. Scottish football is at a low ebb as we can see from European results but on the domestic front we should carry more clout than most, yet we clearly don't. I get no sense of linear progress, just a sense that we might or might not pick up points and that we're simply another very mediocre, horribly inconsistent team among numerous others.

I live in hope that I am proved completely wrong.

[Itsnoteasy]

Pumped 4-1 but didn’t struggle

And only won once in 13 attempts at Pittodrie. We've not just started being crap & we can't blame VAR for the rest of them.

[tamig]

Pumped 4-1 but didn’t struggle

Three of the goals easily preventable.

[Tambo]

Looking very inconsistent again this season so far, here is the results so far.

W D L D L W W W W L L L W L

4 wins in a row is is only great if you can follow it up with more than 3 points out of 15.

I'm confident of 3 points Tuesday but really no idea for Saturday.

It's still and always will be GGTTH though.

[He's here!]

Looking very inconsistent again this season so far, here is the results so far.

W D L D L W W W W L L L W L

4 wins in a row is is only great if you can follow it up with more than 3 points out of 12.

I'm confident of 3 points Tuesday but really no idea for Saturday.

It's still and always will be GGTTH though.

It's 3 points out of 15.

[Tambo]

It's 3 points out of 15.

My bad even worse, I'm not long awake 😁

[heretoday]

We can't take chances and the defence is awful. But we're not crap.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Not f******* crap. Need to be tougher and more street wise though

[Basildon Hibs]

Looking very inconsistent again this season so far, here is the results so far.

W D L D L W W W W L L L W L

4 wins in a row is is only great if you can follow it up with more than 3 points out of 15.

I'm confident of 3 points Tuesday but really no idea for Saturday.

It's still and always will be GGTTH though.

'I'm confident of 3 points Tuesday...'

I'm not. 😬

[He's here!]

We can't take chances and the defence is awful. But we're not crap.

And many regard the midfield as weak. That would seem to indicate we're pretty crap all round.

At the very least the majority of teams in this league dhoild be thinking a game against Hibs will be one of the bigger tests they face but I doubt any team fears facing us. We're now just a point clear of the mighty Livi, who have a game in hand. They'll be confident of getting back above us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I didn't previously agree with that but I'm starting to think it has some credence.

Of course it has credence.

Our record against 11 men is rotten. There’s no getting away from that.

People pointed it out a while ago and said that when the red cards against our opponents dry up (which they were always going to) that we’ll need to improve against 11. We were told it was an absolute load of ***** and irrelevant.

We’ve not seen an opponent sent off for 5 games now and we’ve only picked up 3 points. We’ve played 9 league games against 11 men for the whole game and weve picked up 7 points. We absolutely need to improve against 11.

[newmarket_hibbee]

As you’ve incorrectly stated several times. We didn’t struggle too badly against 11 last night. Poor finishing and defending done us. Simple as that.

"didnt struggle to badly"and"poor finishing and defending", you just contradicted yourself.....

[NAE NOOKIE]

3 points out of 15 and we're still clinging on to a top 4 place - but are actually closer to bottom spot than top spot after just 14 games. It's clearly not just Hibs who are crap, it's the whole league outwith the top two (and when look at the pastings those two have taken in Europe it's not as though they're anything special either).

Scottish fitba is crap because its dominated by two clubs. Scottish fitba is crap because the 10 teams below them can all beat each other on any given day and yet in the EPL, the so called 'best league in the world' since it was founded at the start of the 90s its been utterly dominated by 4 clubs out of 20, but their biggest selling point is that most of the clubs are capable of beating each other on any given day .... go figure eh? it makes you wonder exactly what will make the Scottish premiership the definition of a good league.

Just because we don't have a league packed with superstars doesn't mean it isn't a good league to follow, what you call crap I prefer to call competitive, at least between the 10 non OF clubs.

As for pastings in Europe, tell me the last time a Norwegian, Croatian or Danish club made a European final. In fact tell me the last time a Czech, Swedish, Belgian, Austrian, Greek, Turkish or Russian team made a European final ... all countries far bigger than Scotland, are their leagues crap as well then? Maybe there should be a UEFA rule that if no club from your country makes a dent in Europe for 30 years the league should be wound up so that everybody can follow a better standard of fitba.

What we have here is a club that's punched below it's weight for the last 40 odd years, its not a reflection of Scottish fitba, its a reflection of Hibs as a club .... it's always been massively frustrating and it continues to be so. 20,000 on a Friday night shows the massive potential of this club if just once somebody would get it right, the fact we contrived to lose that game is so 'Hibs' it's bordering on cliche.

[Mantis Toboggan]

We ****ing love a wee wallow in misery on this site, eh?

Imagine pulling this thread back up. Ffs.

The poster has previous for doing so. Also dredged up the relegation thread after a defeat. Best ignored.

[NAE NOOKIE]

40 years of punching below our weight

Are you agreeing with me mate, or is there supposed to be a question mark at the end of that?

[He's here!]

Scottish fitba is crap because its dominated by two clubs. Scottish fitba is crap because the 10 teams below them can all beat each other on any given day and yet in the EPL, the so called 'best league in the world' since it was founded at the start of the 90s its been utterly dominated by 4 clubs out of 20, but their biggest selling point is that most of the clubs are capable of beating each other on any given day .... go figure eh? it makes you wonder exactly what will make the Scottish premiership the definition of a good league.

Just because we don't have a league packed with superstars doesn't mean it isn't a good league to follow, what you call crap I prefer to call competitive, at least between the 10 non OF clubs.

As for pastings in Europe, tell me the last time a Norwegian, Croatian or Danish club made a European final. In fact tell me the last time a Czech, Swedish, Belgian, Austrian, Greek, Turkish or Russian team made a European final ... all countries far bigger than Scotland, are their leagues crap as well then? Maybe there should be a UEFA rule that if no club from your country makes a dent in Europe for 30 years the league should be wound up so that everybody can follow a better standard of fitba.

What we have here is a club that's punched below it's weight for the last 40 odd years, its not a reflection of Scottish fitba, its a reflection of Hibs as a club .... it's always been massively frustrating and it continues to be so. 20,000 on a Friday night shows the massive potential of this club if just once somebody would get it right, the fact we contrived to lose that game is so 'Hibs' it's bordering on cliche.

I don't follow European football closely but there's no getting away from the fact Scotland's representatives have been well and truly humiliated this season. Celtic arguably looked competitive in spells but they were making noises about qualifying from their group and ended up miles off the pace.

40 odd years of punching below our weight indicates that maybe we've found our 'weight' in today's game. When a club of our supposed stature can't go into games against the likes of Livi or St Johnstone confident of winning the vast majority of times then maybe the expectation level just isn't there. As for our supposed main rivals, take a look at our records at Pittodrie and Tynecastle over those 40 years. Pathetic is putting it kindly. Yes we have a big support but our 'potential' has amounted to relatively little for a very long time.

[He's here!]

Are you agreeing with me mate, or is there supposed to be a question mark at the end of that?

Sorry must have posted that too early.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I don't follow European football closely but there's no getting away from the fact Scotland's representatives have been well and truly humiliated this season. Celtic arguably looked competitive in spells but they were making noises about qualifying from their group and ended up miles off the pace.

40 odd years of punching below our weight indicates that maybe we've found our 'weight' in today's game. When a club of our supposed stature can't go into games against the likes of Livi or St Johnstone confident of winning the vast majority of times then maybe the expectation level just isn't there. As for our supposed main rivals, take a look at our records at Pittodrie and Tynecastle over those 40 years. Pathetic is putting it kindly. Yes we have a big support but our 'potential' has amounted to relatively little for a very long time.

Indeed mate, but the fact is that it's there and that's why above every other club in Scotland Hibs are probably the hardest one to support. The job of this club is to aim for 3rd place every season ... no player, no manager, no owner is expected or even being asked to win the league.

The potential we want to see realised is a decade where we consistently finish in the top 4 and qualify for Europe, with a couple of cup wins thrown in for good measure and maybe a couple of shots at a group in Europe. In reality we should only have two competitors capable of dashing that league position ambition in Aberdeen and Hearts, with the odd club coming out of the pack as a dark horse to challenge.

Its that challenge which we consistently fail to rise to that's the issue and the massive frustration .... To achieve a decade of success that would eclipse most of the last 4 or 5 all we need to achieve is a level where we consistently beat the likes of Kilmarnock, Livingston, St Johnstone, St Mirren, Ross County and Motherwell while holding our own against Aberdeen and Hearts. That is not asking the impossible for a club of this size, nobody is asking for a miracle just 10 seasons where we are the club the other 9 hate having to play ... IMO that's a reasonable ambition and no Hibs fan should just shrug their shoulders and say its not going to happen, or worse that it can never happen, just because the last few owners of the club have failed to deliver it.

My take on it will always be that this is what is entirely and realistically possible for Hibs and any owner who doesn't deliver it is ultimately a failure.

That doesn't by the way dilute STF's legacy to the club, he is a legend because he saved it from disaster and he ultimately took us to the Scottish cup. The fact that his tenure will be remembered for that Scottish cup in a way nicely sums up how by simply achieving what the club should be capable of just in a single season can elevate you above the mediocrity that's defined it for far too long. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king as they say.

[A Hi-Bee]

The op is right, and we are, as is the rest of Scottish fitba, just crap and corrupt.
Dont know why we bother, well I do know, it is called an addiction to our team, they take us for mugs year after year.

[Scotty Leither]

Indeed mate, but the fact is that it's there and that's why above every other club in Scotland Hibs are probably the hardest one to support. The job of this club is to aim for 3rd place every season ... no player, no manager, no owner is expected or even being asked to win the league.

The potential we want to see realised is a decade where we consistently finish in the top 4 and qualify for Europe, with a couple of cup wins thrown in for good measure and maybe a couple of shots at a group in Europe. In reality we should only have two competitors capable of dashing that league position ambition in Aberdeen and Hearts, with the odd club coming out of the pack as a dark horse to challenge.

Its that challenge which we consistently fail to rise to that's the issue and the massive frustration .... To achieve a decade of success that would eclipse most of the last 4 or 5 all we need to achieve is a level where we consistently beat the likes of Kilmarnock, Livingston, St Johnstone, St Mirren, Ross County and Motherwell while holding our own against Aberdeen and Hearts. That is not asking the impossible for a club of this size, nobody is asking for a miracle just 10 seasons where we are the club the other 9 hate having to play ... IMO that's a reasonable ambition and no Hibs fan should just shrug their shoulders and say its not going to happen, or worse that it can never happen, just because the last few owners of the club have failed to deliver it.

My take on it will always be that this is what is entirely and realistically possible for Hibs and any owner who doesn't deliver it is ultimately a failure.

That doesn't by the way dilute STF's legacy to the club, he is a legend because he saved it from disaster and he ultimately took us to the Scottish cup. The fact that his tenure will be remembered for that Scottish cup in a way nicely sums up how by simply achieving what the club should be capable of just in a single season can elevate you above the mediocrity that's defined it for far too long. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king as they say.

10/10 pal. I think there’s still a disconnect at the club though.

As has been said the hospitality facilities are now fantastic. The team a bit less so, with a recruitment model that appears to be a “work in progress” to put it mildly.

I don’t know how our Board/owner can’t see that the buy-in they’ve had with the hospitality would be mirrored in an uplift in season ticket sales if we only went big on the team in terms of incoming transfers for once.

A safety first approach to running Hibs which led to (variously) mid table mediocrity punctuated by a couple of relegations, with the two cup wins the two bright spots were the hallmark of the previous regime, and is way below where Hibernian should be.

The most annoying thing? It doesn’t have to be this way and I hope the owner feels the same way.

[Billy Whizz]

10/10 pal. I think there’s still a disconnect at the club though.

As has been said the hospitality facilities are now fantastic. The team a bit less so, with a recruitment model that appears to be a “work in progress” to put it mildly.

I don’t know how our Board/owner can’t see that the buy-in they’ve had with the hospitality would be mirrored in an uplift in season ticket sales if we only went big on the team in terms of incoming transfers for once.

A safety first approach to running Hibs which led to (variously) mid table mediocrity punctuated by a couple of relegations, with the two cup wins the two bright spots were the hallmark of the previous regime, and is way below where Hibernian should be.

The most annoying thing? It doesn’t have to be this way and I hope the owner feels the same way.

The sad thing is we’ve probably got our biggest ever player budget, that previous Hibs managers would have died for.
It’s how it’s been spent is the main point. A massive squad, same number of 1st team players as Celtic. Someone has to take the blame for this

[Scotty Leither]

The sad thing is we’ve probably got our biggest ever player budget, that previous Hibs managers would have died for.
It’s how it’s been spent is the main point. A massive squad, same number of 1st team players as Celtic. Someone has to take the blame for this

Granted Billy, but it’s the old quantity over quality argument…we had a massive squad under Duffy that contained the likes of David Elliot, guys who should never have got near a Hibs jersey.

Too many of the current squad have made zero impact and this constant churn of ordinary players being signed needs to be changed if we’re to consistently challenge for Europe EVERY season which should be Hibs’ minimum aim.

[CB Hibs 68]

Granted Billy, but it’s the old quantity over quality argument…we had a massive squad under Duffy that contained the likes of David Elliot, guys who should never have got near a Hibs jersey.

Too many of the current squad have made zero impact and this constant churn of ordinary players being signed needs to be changed if we’re to consistently challenge for Europe EVERY season which should be Hibs’ minimum aim.
So precisely amongst the team that started today who are we talking about.Agree we seem to have gone for some left field signings but the team that played on Friday was about as good as it gets

[Scotty Leither]

So precisely amongst the team that started today who are we talking about.Agree we seem to have gone for some left field signings but the team that played on Friday was about as good as it gets

The team that played on Friday patently aren’t good enough, but there’s no competition for them. Out of the ones brought in, only Kurayevich (sp) and Marshall can be said to have been a direct replacement for the previous holder of the position.

The rest of the signings have either been signed for the future/have went on loan or have made little or no impact - see Miller, Tavares, Henderson, and Melkerson too. I don’t get the hype with the laddie Kenneh, either.

If the owner has designs on European group participation on a regular basis, then we need to sign better quality players, and that quality needs to be in the key positions.

I don’t think he sees it that way though, and therein lies the problem.

[Jim44]

The team that played on Friday patently aren’t good enough, but there’s no competition for them. Out of the ones brought in, only Kurayevich (sp) and Marshall can be said to have been a direct replacement for the previous holder of the position.

The rest of the signings have either been signed for the future/have went on loan or have made little or no impact - see Miller, Tavares, Henderson, and Melkerson too. I don’t get the hype with the laddie Kenneh, either.

If the owner has designs on European group participation on a regular basis, then we need to sign better quality players, and that quality needs to be in the key positions.

I don’t think he sees it that way though, and therein lies the problem.

I don’t question RG’s enthusiasm(?) or commitment to Hibs, but at the end of the day, it’s nothing more than an expensive hobby, which, at a possible/probable loss, he’ll sell on to the next rich ‘entrepreneur’. We, the lifeblood of the club, will continue to support through thick and thin, knowing we are perpetually farting against thunder. Anybody who expects more is deluded.

[Scotty Leither]

I don’t question RG’s enthusiasm(?) or commitment to Hibs, but at the end of the day, it’s nothing more than an expensive hobby, which, at a possible/probable loss, he’ll sell on to the next rich ‘entrepreneur’. We, the lifeblood of the club, will continue to support through thick and thin, knowing we are perpetually farting against thunder. Anybody who expects more is deluded.

I don’t question his commitment either, nor would I tell a guy who’s probably forgotten more about business matters than I’ll ever know how to run his business.

I genuinely think however he either doesn’t get, or will not get the correlation between signing laddies and untested players and as a consequence, patchy results.

And I’m sorry, but I do expect more from Hibs, if there’s no expectations amongst the support, then what’s the point exactly?

[Brightside]

The team that played on Friday patently aren’t good enough, but there’s no competition for them. Out of the ones brought in, only Kurayevich (sp) and Marshall can be said to have been a direct replacement for the previous holder of the position.

The rest of the signings have either been signed for the future/have went on loan or have made little or no impact - see Miller, Tavares, Henderson, and Melkerson too. I don’t get the hype with the laddie Kenneh, either.

If the owner has designs on European group participation on a regular basis, then we need to sign better quality players, and that quality needs to be in the key positions.

I don’t think he sees it that way though, and therein lies the problem.

A few games ago people said we had a really strong squad. Now we need a bunch of new players. Another reason why fans don’t run clubs.

[Scotty Leither]

A few games ago people said we had a really strong squad. Now we need a bunch of new players. Another reason why fans don’t run clubs.

Count me out among the number that said we had a “strong squad”. In the space of 5 short years we’ve went from a midfield of McGinn, Allan and McGeough to one that’s short of creativity and steel, and forwards that hardly score.

That’s a mile away from a “strong squad” in my book.

[B.H.F.C]

A few games ago people said we had a really strong squad. Now we need a bunch of new players. Another reason why fans don’t run clubs.

I’m not sure about that.

Think most agree we have a big squad. I’d say the majority of people would also agree that there is a lack of quality within it and too many players who have contributed zero.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Count me out among the number that said we had a “strong squad”. In the space of 5 short years we’ve went from a midfield of McGinn, Allan and McGeough to one that’s short of creativity and steel, and forwards that hardly score.

That’s a mile away from a “strong squad” in my book.

:agree:

I don’t think anyone has wildly changed their stance on the quality in our squad. The people who thinks it’s strong are still maintaining that, the people that thing we had a good transfer window are still maintaining that and the people that think it lacks quality are maintaining that.

[Unseen work]

Imo what we’re missing is a real quality number 10/attacking midfielder or whatever you want to call them who can beat a man, play a pass etc.

I think goalkeeper and the back 4/back ups all loon decent enough but midfield alot of them are very similar. All good players individually and can keep possession but just lack a bit of creativity or brilliance.

Front 3 we have loads of options but seem to struggle with the final ball/taking chances. That said McGeady, Nisbet, Kuharevich and Boyle would change that if all fit. I still think McKirdy will come good too.

But looking at the Aberdeen squad last night I think two of their subs, Beswijen and Ramirez would start for us. Even Kennedy, Watkins and Morris would be close.

Hopefully January we can get that player in. I really don’t think we’re miles away though.

[matty_f]

Count me out among the number that said we had a “strong squad”. In the space of 5 short years we’ve went from a midfield of McGinn, Allan and McGeough to one that’s short of creativity and steel, and forwards that hardly score.

That’s a mile away from a “strong squad” in my book.

What were McGinn, McGeouch, and Allan’s profiles when we signed them? McGinn had just been relegated with St Mirren, McGeouch had similar experience to Henderson at Celtic, and Allan was looking to kick start a career that has stalled massively down south.

For all that they turned into a great midfield, let’s not pretend folk wouldn’t have been dismissing them as punts or unambitious signings if they’d not hit the ground running.

[Bridge hibs]

What were McGinn, McGeouch, and Allan’s profiles when we signed them? McGinn had just been relegated with St Mirren, McGeouch had similar experience to Henderson at Celtic, and Allan was looking to kick start a career that has stalled massively down south.

For all that they turned into a great midfield, let’s not pretend folk wouldn’t have been dismissing them as punts or unambitious signings if they’d not hit the ground running.Good post, with regards Scotty Leithers point I kind of see his point too. I think these “punts” have left us with a rather bloated squad with probably Melkerson the only one who could possibly make it, although given his stop start hibs career so far he may decide **** it I want to try my luck elsewhere, similarly with the Australian lad Miller

I would much prefer us to look closer to home, we appear to have some cracking young lads coming through and I would prefer a couple of them to get a taste of the first team, for example Bojan taking up a place on the bench where we could have one of our young players in there instead

We could unearth a gem, they are out there but I would rather see Aiken, O’Connor or one of the other promising young lads take that place

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Good post, with regards Scotty Leithers point I kind of see his point too. I think these “punts” have left us with a rather bloated squad with probably Melkerson the only one who could possibly make it, although given his stop start hibs career so far he may decide **** it I want to try my luck elsewhere, similarly with the Australian lad Miller

I would much prefer us to look closer to home, we appear to have some cracking young lads coming through and I would prefer a couple of them to get a taste of the first team, for example Bojan taking up a place on the bench where we could have one of our young players in there instead

We could unearth a gem, they are out there but I would rather see Aiken, O’Connor or one of the other promising young lads take that place

Yeah. Rather than a 37 year old McGregor or 34 year old Stevnson, who have both been brilliant for the club btw, or Tavares or Youhan, I'd rather see those places being taken by a few of our younger players from the under 19 team. They can only benefit by at least being in the match day squad or by getting some 1st team action. The recent game against St Mirren when we were 3 up with 25 minutes to go would have been a perfect time to stick one or two of them on.

[matty_f]

Yeah. Rather than a 37 year old McGregor or 34 year old Stevnson, who have both been brilliant for the club btw, or Tavares or Youhan, I'd rather see those places being taken by a few of our younger players from the under 19 team. They can only benefit by at least being in the match day squad or by getting some 1st team action. The recent game against St Mirren when we were 3 up with 25 minutes to go would have been a perfect time to stick one or two of them on.
If the 19s were good enough and physical enough for the first team, they’d be playing already. There are very few managers who, when they live or die buy their results, will ignore a better player to play an inferior one add probably fewer still owners who'd sanction the spend on a very limited budget if there was a better young player already in the building.

It's not always good for the players either, we have folk on here ready and willing to write players off at a moment's notice. Folk were ready to hand season tickets back if Campbell was getting played at the start of this season, folk have already written Tavares (21) off and are unconvinced by Kenneh (19) and are happy to ignore that Lewis Miller (22) is injured.

[matty_f]

Good post, with regards Scotty Leithers point I kind of see his point too. I think these “punts” have left us with a rather bloated squad with probably Melkerson the only one who could possibly make it, although given his stop start hibs career so far he may decide **** it I want to try my luck elsewhere, similarly with the Australian lad Miller

I would much prefer us to look closer to home, we appear to have some cracking young lads coming through and I would prefer a couple of them to get a taste of the first team, for example Bojan taking up a place on the bench where we could have one of our young players in there instead

We could unearth a gem, they are out there but I would rather see Aiken, O’Connor or one of the other promising young lads take that place

Miller's injured and Melkersen's getting first team football now that he's over a bad concussion injury that he sustained playing in the first team.

We looked closer to home and signed the likes of Dan Mackay and Dylan Tait, and McLelland who are all out getting first team football just now.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

If the 19s were good enough and physical enough for the first team, they’d be playing already. There are very few managers who, when they live or die buy their results, will ignore a better player to play an inferior one add probably fewer still owners who'd sanction the spend on a very limited budget if there was a better young player already in the building.

It's not always good for the players either, we have folk on here ready and willing to write players off at a moment's notice. Folk were ready to hand season tickets back if Campbell was getting played at the start of this season, folk have already written Tavares (21) off and are unconvinced by Kenneh (19) and are happy to ignore that Lewis Miller (22) is injured.

Some times you just need to give a player chance. Last one was Josh Doig who was pretty much just thrown into the first team. Didn't do him any harm long term harm. Further back, Garry O'Connor, Derek Riordan, Scott Brown, Steven Whittaker were all in the 1st team at at Hibs around 18 years with little or no 1st team experience anywhere else beforehand.

[Bridge hibs]

Miller's injured and Melkersen's getting first team football now that he's over a bad concussion injury that he sustained playing in the first team.

We looked closer to home and signed the likes of Dan Mackay and Dylan Tait, and McLelland who are all out getting first team football just now.Im not disagreeing with you, Ive no real problems with casting the net far and wide in the hope we find a gem, that to me is the issue though as we can bring in a truck load and none of them could make it.

Our management team will know better than any of us with regards who they feel will make it or not with regards the youth players so Im not going to judge them. Tait and Mackay, I actually wonder if we will see either in a hibs top again, although McLelland may still have a chance, moreso if Porteous decides to go

[matty_f]

Some times you just need to give a player chance. Last one was Josh Doig who was pretty much just thrown into the first team. Didn't do him any harm long term harm. Further back, Garry O'Connor, Derek Riordan, Scott Brown, Steven Whittaker were all in the 1st team at at Hibs around 18 years with little or no 1st team experience anywhere else beforehand.
Doig got a game because he was better than what we had in the building, if he wasn't then Stevenson would have kept his place. If the young players want their chances they need to be better than they guy with the jersey or the guy we can afford to sign.

The Golden Generation only got played because we had no money to bring in better, we got very lucky with it but that was an exception. Hearts got relegated when they had to pay their kids under Gary Locke and how many of those boys went on to great careers?

Our support doesn't have the patience to let youngsters fail and learn in the first team, you can imagine the "woe is me" posts if we lost to St Johnstone playing 18 year olds because the board wasn't spending on transfer fees.

[matty_f]

Im not disagreeing with you, Ive no real problems with casting the net far and wide in the hope we find a gem, that to me is the issue though as we can bring in a truck load and none of them could make it.

Our management team will know better than any of us with regards who they feel will make it or not with regards the youth players so Im not going to judge them. Tait and Mackay, I actually wonder if we will see either in a hibs top again, although McLelland may still have a chance, moreso if Porteous decides to go

McLelland definitely has a chance, he was never earmarked for the first team this season so it's exactly where he's expect to be at this stage.

[Bridge hibs]

McLelland definitely has a chance, he was never earmarked for the first team this season so it's exactly where he's expect to be at this stage.Agree, Tait surprises me, quite highly rated and at a time we needed something in midfield he was overlooked and Campbell played instead, probably the same on the left side and Mackay was punted out on loan again. Only Johnson will know of course as he saw those lads on a daily basis

[Brightside]

We beat St Mirren “we look like a really good team”. We lose to Aberdeen. “We lack quality”. The answer is somewhere in between.

[B.H.F.C]

Im not disagreeing with you, Ive no real problems with casting the net far and wide in the hope we find a gem, that to me is the issue though as we can bring in a truck load and none of them could make it.

Our management team will know better than any of us with regards who they feel will make it or not with regards the youth players so Im not going to judge them. Tait and Mackay, I actually wonder if we will see either in a hibs top again, although McLelland may still have a chance, moreso if Porteous decides to go

Problem for me is that, wherever they’re from and whatever their background, they’re not going to get a fair crack at it if you don’t bring them in to a decent, settled team. We don’t have that IMO because our approach to transfers doesn’t allow it. We just seem to stack up on numbers with less thought given to how they fit together as a team. I’m not really sure where the pathway in to the team is for some of these players.

Lewis Miller is an example of that. Cadden was always going to be our first choice RB/RWB. Obviously it’s up to the player signing to prove they’re good enough but, even if fit, Miller would just be sitting on the bench. I also think the likes of him and Tavares are at an age where they need to be coming in and playing, Tavares is nearly 22 and has next to no first team experience yet, other than the odd 10 minutes when we’re chasing a game he’s unlikely to get any.

I just think we’re caught in no man’s land transfer wise and it’s just going to lead to a continual churn of players unless we put more emphasis on players ready made for the team.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Doig got a game because he was better than what we had in the building, if he wasn't then Stevenson would have kept his place. If the young players want their chances they need to be better than they guy with the jersey or the guy we can afford to sign.

The Golden Generation only got played because we had no money to bring in better, we got very lucky with it but that was an exception. Hearts got relegated when they had to pay their kids under Gary Locke and how many of those boys went on to great careers?

Our support doesn't have the patience to let youngsters fail and learn in the first team, you can imagine the "woe is me" posts if we lost to St Johnstone playing 18 year olds because the board wasn't spending on transfer fees.

I'd be disappointed not to see at least one or maybe two on the bench on Tuesday night. Friday against Aberdeen I can understand as they were in France on Wednesday, but with 8 outfield subs allowed, is there any reason why we cannot have a couple on the bench? Agreed that the golden generation came through at the right time for them. Had we had money to spend at the time, they probably wouldn't have got a chance, fortunately for us we had no money so had to give them game time. With 5 subs allowed, there's actually never been a better time to introduce youngsters into the team.

[J-C]

Like most outside the OF we are not crap, also we are not great but just middling. The majority of players we can attract are inconsistent and until we can pay more wages to get the better players we'll always have these up and down performances. Ron spoke about eventually doubling the wage bill to attract better quality and until that happens we have to put up with crap results like this weekend.

[The Modfather]

If the 19s were good enough and physical enough for the first team, they’d be playing already. There are very few managers who, when they live or die buy their results, will ignore a better player to play an inferior one add probably fewer still owners who'd sanction the spend on a very limited budget if there was a better young player already in the building.

It's not always good for the players either, we have folk on here ready and willing to write players off at a moment's notice. Folk were ready to hand season tickets back if Campbell was getting played at the start of this season, folk have already written Tavares (21) off and are unconvinced by Kenneh (19) and are happy to ignore that Lewis Miller (22) is injured.

That’s the point though. If we’re going to go down a youth focussed path the managers remit should be to introduce and develop the promising young players we have. There’s no point in spending so much on development and b teams if the manager, like all others, has to think short term and not what the next manager might benefit from.

As an example Aberdeen brought on an 18 year old at Ibrox for the last half an hour when the game was done. We left Aitken on the bench all game when the game was won after 65 minutes against St Mirren. Or having two left backs out against Rangers, but playing Campbell out of position rather than give Macintyre his chance. With Cabraja and Stevenson ahead of him when will his next opportunity arrive? That’s the kind of things Hibs need to improve upon, IMO, if we’re to actually see our youth focussed approach come to fruition.

[B.H.F.C]

Like most outside the OF we are not crap, also we are not great but just middling. The majority of players we can attract are inconsistent and until we can pay more wages to get the better players we'll always have these up and down performances. Ron spoke about eventually doubling the wage bill to attract better quality and until that happens we have to put up with crap results like this weekend.

Think we all know as Hibs supporters that we’ll have to put up with our share of crap results. But we shouldn’t have to put up with a team that lack guts and determination and ultimately give up when something goes against them as we’ve seen against Celtic, St Johnstone and Aberdeen in the last few weeks.

[J-C]

Think we all know as Hibs supporters that we’ll have to put up with our share of crap results. But we shouldn’t have to put up with a team that lack guts and determination and ultimately give up when something goes against them as we’ve seen against Celtic, St Johnstone and Aberdeen in the last few weeks.


I agree but we've seen these results for the past few seasons, we had shockers under Hecky, Ross and Maloney, it's not a new thing. As I said you pay for what you get, better wages gets better players.

[Bridge hibs]

I agree but we've seen these results for the past few seasons, we had shockers under Hecky, Ross and Maloney, it's not a new thing. As I said you pay for what you get, better wages gets better players.In principle yes but not always the case JC. As an example, Porteous is a good player who should improve, but if he was to leave hibs for Cardiff for example and quadruple his wages, it wouldnt mean he is a better player

There are many players who have come to Scotland on eye watering high wages but they have not kicked on or lived up to their hype and have been punted again, I can think of one or two celtic examples, Raphael Sheidt for starters 😀

[where'stheslope]

In principle yes but not always the case JC. As an example, Porteous is a good player who should improve, but if he was to leave hibs for Cardiff for example and quadruple his wages, it wouldnt mean he is a better player

There are many players who have come to Scotland on eye watering high wages but they have not kicked on or lived up to their hype and have been punted again, I can think of one or two celtic examples, Raphael Sheidt for starters 😀
What about Leicester's Maddison, played for Aberdeen now touted for England world cup squad???

[Bridge hibs]

What about Leicester's Maddison, played for Aberdeen now touted for England world cup squad???Whats with the three ??? 🤣

Yeah Maddison has turned into a cracking player, then so has Doherty who was on loan at us and got his big move to Spurs

[matty_f]

Problem for me is that, wherever they’re from and whatever their background, they’re not going to get a fair crack at it if you don’t bring them in to a decent, settled team. We don’t have that IMO because our approach to transfers doesn’t allow it. We just seem to stack up on numbers with less thought given to how they fit together as a team. I’m not really sure where the pathway in to the team is for some of these players.

Lewis Miller is an example of that. Cadden was always going to be our first choice RB/RWB. Obviously it’s up to the player signing to prove they’re good enough but, even if fit, Miller would just be sitting on the bench. I also think the likes of him and Tavares are at an age where they need to be coming in and playing, Tavares is nearly 22 and has next to no first team experience yet, other than the odd 10 minutes when we’re chasing a game he’s unlikely to get any.

I just think we’re caught in no man’s land transfer wise and it’s just going to lead to a continual churn of players unless we put more emphasis on players ready made for the team.
I don't think the intention is to have the level of turnover of players that we saw in the last window. Johnson was starting from a pretty poor starting point and then additionally had to cover long term injuries for a number of players.
We also spent heavily on the development team which was identified as a gap that needed sorted.

[matty_f]

That’s the point though. If we’re going to go down a youth focussed path the managers remit should be to introduce and develop the promising young players we have. There’s no point in spending so much on development and b teams if the manager, like all others, has to think short term and not what the next manager might benefit from.

As an example Aberdeen brought on an 18 year old at Ibrox for the last half an hour when the game was done. We left Aitken on the bench all game when the game was won after 65 minutes against St Mirren. Or having two left backs out against Rangers, but playing Campbell out of position rather than give Macintyre his chance. With Cabraja and Stevenson ahead of him when will his next opportunity arrive? That’s the kind of things Hibs need to improve upon, IMO, if we’re to actually see our youth focussed approach come to fruition.
We can only do that if our young players are good enough to play in our first team now though , we, as a support, won't accept bottom 6 or even a low top 6 finish. Jack Ross finished third and got hounded because the football was boring, Maloney had folk wanting to give up season tickets for playing a midfielding with Campbell in it.

The club said that they felt that they had good players coming through but we had a gap with players in the youth set up that were ready for first team football and they deliberately targeted that gap with signings.

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think the intention is to have the level of turnover of players that we saw in the last window. Johnson was starting from a pretty poor starting point and then additionally had to cover long term injuries for a number of players.
We also spent heavily on the development team which was identified as a gap that needed sorted.

I don’t think it would ever be the intention, I think the fact that a lot of them are coming in on long term contracts shows that. But if we continue signing players who don’t come in and make any real impact (as in the last couple of windows) the churn will continue.

You’re going to get to next summer (if not before) and have the likes of Fish, Bojang and Schofield returning to their clubs and they probably won’t have a start between them. I just think we’ve got too many players on the books, some on long term contracts, who don’t contribute (whether that’s because they’re not ready or not good enough). You could even chuck McKay and Tait in to that mix, two players that were signed for six figure fees only to spend a couple of years out on loan. Again, it comes back to signing project type players for me, it just leaves us with a bloated squad but lacking on quality.

[He's here!]

Indeed mate, but the fact is that it's there and that's why above every other club in Scotland Hibs are probably the hardest one to support. The job of this club is to aim for 3rd place every season ... no player, no manager, no owner is expected or even being asked to win the league.

The potential we want to see realised is a decade where we consistently finish in the top 4 and qualify for Europe, with a couple of cup wins thrown in for good measure and maybe a couple of shots at a group in Europe. In reality we should only have two competitors capable of dashing that league position ambition in Aberdeen and Hearts, with the odd club coming out of the pack as a dark horse to challenge.

Its that challenge which we consistently fail to rise to that's the issue and the massive frustration .... To achieve a decade of success that would eclipse most of the last 4 or 5 all we need to achieve is a level where we consistently beat the likes of Kilmarnock, Livingston, St Johnstone, St Mirren, Ross County and Motherwell while holding our own against Aberdeen and Hearts. That is not asking the impossible for a club of this size, nobody is asking for a miracle just 10 seasons where we are the club the other 9 hate having to play ... IMO that's a reasonable ambition and no Hibs fan should just shrug their shoulders and say its not going to happen, or worse that it can never happen, just because the last few owners of the club have failed to deliver it.

My take on it will always be that this is what is entirely and realistically possible for Hibs and any owner who doesn't deliver it is ultimately a failure.

That doesn't by the way dilute STF's legacy to the club, he is a legend because he saved it from disaster and he ultimately took us to the Scottish cup. The fact that his tenure will be remembered for that Scottish cup in a way nicely sums up how by simply achieving what the club should be capable of just in a single season can elevate you above the mediocrity that's defined it for far too long. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king as they say.

I agree 100% with what you say there, but I've followed the club too long (since the mid-1970s) to remain optimistic that we can string more than two good seasons together, let alone a decade's worth. The only time I felt we were building towards something of lasting significance was under Dempster, Stubbs and (for the most part of his tenure) Lennon. I also had high hopes that John Collins would take us to the next level post-Mowbray - and for an all-too-brief spell it looked as though he would. The McLeish era was great because we could afford great players, but there was major fall-off when the money was less plentiful before we were blessed with the golden generation. The way that side was sold off and the sub-standard here-today-gone-tomorrow players it was replaced with set the tone for years to come...and when we finally built another team with a genuine quality and identity under Stubbs that whole cycle began again.

You say no Hibs fan should just shrug their shoulders and say we can never get where we want to be, but I think to some extent we do. Apart from some booing and sounding off in the pub or on message boards there's no REAL pressure brought to bear on the club which reflects the frustration of fan base which feels they should be seeing a far stronger product on the park. A comfort zone of sorts therefore exists for the players who know that there are no significant consequences for failing to produce any sort of consistency.

[jacomo]

I don’t think it would ever be the intention, I think the fact that a lot of them are coming in on long term contracts shows that. But if we continue signing players who don’t come in and make any real impact (as in the last couple of windows) the churn will continue.

You’re going to get to next summer (if not before) and have the likes of Fish, Bojang and Schofield returning to their clubs and they probably won’t have a start between them. I just think we’ve got too many players on the books, some on long term contracts, who don’t contribute (whether that’s because they’re not ready or not good enough). You could even chuck McKay and Tait in to that mix, two players that were signed for six figure fees only to spend a couple of years out on loan. Again, it comes back to signing project type players for me, it just leaves us with a bloated squad but lacking on quality.


Hard to argue with this.

I’m all for signing potential but we have given the no.10 shirt to a guy who can barely make the match day squad, and seems nowhere near a starting berth.

We are undoubtedly spending money but we don’t seem to be getting the value.

[B.H.F.C]

Hard to argue with this.

I’m all for signing potential but we have given the no.10 shirt to a guy who can barely make the match day squad, and seems nowhere near a starting berth.

We are undoubtedly spending money but we don’t seem to be getting the value.

Yep, said it earlier, it’s not lack of investment that is my issue, it’s just the way we’re investing and that makes it even more frustrating.

There will always be a place for signing a player (or players) with potential but they need the right team to come in to if they’re to have a fair crack at it and we just don’t have that for me.

[The Modfather]

We can only do that if our young players are good enough to play in our first team now though , we, as a support, won't accept bottom 6 or even a low top 6 finish. Jack Ross finished third and got hounded because the football was boring, Maloney had folk wanting to give up season tickets for playing a midfielding with Campbell in it.

The club said that they felt that they had good players coming through but we had a gap with players in the youth set up that were ready for first team football and they deliberately targeted that gap with signings.

I’ll not pretend I have any informed opinion about anyone from the youth team so probably guilty to an extent of getting caught up in the “hype” and looking for another golden generation. To slightly counter that, given the success the team have had in Europe and trials the likes of Johnson & Laidlaw have had makes me hope they are a cut above other successful teams like the Kurtis Byrne year that came to nothing.

Hibs have been guilty of not giving youngsters a chance for a long time. We’ve not lost anyone that went on to achieve anything but I reckon there was a lot of youngsters who could have gone onto be squad players instead of churning through the squad players we did sign. I’ll not labour the points I’ve already made but for me until we start putting them youngsters in when the opportunity arises instead of a square peg in a round hole we’re still making some of the same mistakes.

Can you imagine the golden generation with Ron as owner. We’d have likely kept it together a couple of years longer then we did. Which is why I’m desperate to get the bones of a homegrown team again and let it grow. Speaking for myself, I’d also love to have a strong connection with the team again particularly at the start of their journey. As it is this team, and for a long time, is very meh. No real identity and few I’ll be able to remember in a few years.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I agree 100% with what you say there, but I've followed the club too long (since the mid-1970s) to remain optimistic that we can string more than two good seasons together, let alone a decade's worth. The only time I felt we were building towards something of lasting significance was under Dempster, Stubbs and (for the most part of his tenure) Lennon. I also had high hopes that John Collins would take us to the next level post-Mowbray - and for an all-too-brief spell it looked as though he would. The McLeish era was great because we could afford great players, but there was major fall-off when the money was less plentiful before we were blessed with the golden generation. The way that side was sold off and the sub-standard here-today-gone-tomorrow players it was replaced with set the tone for years to come...and when we finally built another team with a genuine quality and identity under Stubbs that whole cycle began again.

You say no Hibs fan should just shrug their shoulders and say we can never get where we want to be, but I think to some extent we do. Apart from some booing and sounding off in the pub or on message boards there's no REAL pressure brought to bear on the club which reflects the frustration of fan base which feels they should be seeing a far stronger product on the park. A comfort zone of sorts therefore exists for the players who know that there are no significant consequences for failing to produce any sort of consistency.

Don't get me wrong, to do what I think is possible is harder than it used to be. Back in the 80s Aberdeen and Dundee United managed it, but they held onto players in a way that would be impossible now, can you imagine Aberdeen hanging on to a talent like Strachan for more than a season or two these days, never mind Miller and McLeish for season after season.

But having said that, no club outside the Uglies can hold onto talent either and in that sense we are all in the same boat. The difference here is that Hibs are financially stable enough that we can demand transfer fees at least close to a players proper valuation which should give us enough clout to sign better quality than most of the others, especially when you chuck in a good few seasons now where we have had season ticket numbers most of the rest can only dream about.

In that scenario being best of the rest for a sustained period is not impossible if you get your transfer policy right, at the moment it's a bit too scatter gun and we are perhaps spreading our cash a bit too thin trying to find diamonds in the rough.

One thing Ron Gordon said at the very start of his tenure was something I've waited to hear from a Hibs owner for years and that was an aim to year on year increase the amount of money the club was able to spend on wages .... That is exactly how you will find success in this league, it's not what you can spend on transfer fees, it's the average weekly wage you can pay. If the club ever gets to an average of between 5 and 7 thousand quid with perhaps a wee bit more for a marquee signing and sustain that level of outlay we will be well on the way to being the club we can and should be.

Money talks in this game and if you spend it wisely you will have success.

[HIBS NUTS]

It’s watched our young players a lot, although some are exceptional for their age, very few are good enough, to step into the current squad and improve it, the way forward is for our young players , to be loaned out in lower leagues, and if they show up well, brought back in , and be part of the main squad.
However their continued presence in the CL under 19, tournament, actually complicates progression.
O’connor Fletcher and Brown were physically strong enough to compete , at the highest level when young.

[Bridge hibs]

It’s watched our young players a lot, although some are exceptional for their age, very few are good enough, to step into the current squad and improve it, the way forward is for our young players , to be loaned out in lower leagues, and if they show up well, brought back in , and be part of the main squad.
However their continued presence in the CL under 19, tournament, actually complicates progression.
O’connor Fletcher and Brown were physically strong enough to compete , at the highest level when young.If I remember correctly, Brown, Thomson and Riordan were skinny laddies with not a lot of meat on the bones, Fletcher had a bit of height and O’Connor was a bit more physical looking. They were all raw teenagers who still made the step up, Riordan could get away with his lack of bulk simply because he was a step above and an exceptional finisher

[HIBS NUTS]

If I remember correctly, Brown, Thomson and Riordan were skinny laddies with not a lot of meat on the bones, Fletcher had a bit of height and O’Connor was a bit more physical looking. They were all raw teenagers who still made the step up, Riordan could get away with his lack of bulk simply because he was a step above and an exceptional finisher

Riordan played at cowdenbeath first.
loaned out.

[Allant1981]

Riordan played at cowdenbeath first.
loaned out.

He only played about 2 or 3 games for cowdenbeath

[SHODAN]

He only played about 2 or 3 games for cowdenbeath

Played 3, scored 4!

[He's here!]

Don't get me wrong, to do what I think is possible is harder than it used to be. Back in the 80s Aberdeen and Dundee United managed it, but they held onto players in a way that would be impossible now, can you imagine Aberdeen hanging on to a talent like Strachan for more than a season or two these days, never mind Miller and McLeish for season after season.

But having said that, no club outside the Uglies can hold onto talent either and in that sense we are all in the same boat. The difference here is that Hibs are financially stable enough that we can demand transfer fees at least close to a players proper valuation which should give us enough clout to sign better quality than most of the others, especially when you chuck in a good few seasons now where we have had season ticket numbers most of the rest can only dream about.

In that scenario being best of the rest for a sustained period is not impossible if you get your transfer policy right, at the moment it's a bit too scatter gun and we are perhaps spreading our cash a bit too thin trying to find diamonds in the rough.

One thing Ron Gordon said at the very start of his tenure was something I've waited to hear from a Hibs owner for years and that was an aim to year on year increase the amount of money the club was able to spend on wages .... That is exactly how you will find success in this league, it's not what you can spend on transfer fees, it's the average weekly wage you can pay. If the club ever gets to an average of between 5 and 7 thousand quid with perhaps a wee bit more for a marquee signing and sustain that level of outlay we will be well on the way to being the club we can and should be.

Money talks in this game and if you spend it wisely you will have success.

Indeed. And you only need to look across the city to see how (until very recently) to spend money unwisely.

However, when sustained success ultimately comes down to having more money to spend than your competitors we're not going to get that under Ron unless we get a team on the park that will pull the fans in regularly. Sure, he's due credit for what appear to be improvements in the off-field revenue stream but we can only rely on fans' willingness to stump up for season tickets for so long. At present the team is doing very little to justify those fans' investment and if this season slips away to nothing (or even a relegation battle) the patience will run out. I simply don't understand the transfer policy and as things stand all I can see is a needlessly inflated and mostly mediocre squad with a large number of players picking up wages for very little game time. As a model for on-field progress it seems badly flawed and more likely to lead to trouble than success. To go back to Hearts, just look at the bloated squads under Romanov/early Budge. That sort of scattergun strategy led to two relegations.

[Hermit Crab]

Told you so. Tonight just proves it. Toil against a remotely organised team off 11 men. Simple tactic. Soak up pressure and hit us on the break and take chances. They done that twice tonight. We are awful. Bottom 6 fodder and he’ll be gone after the World Cup.

[Jim44]

Told you so. Tonight just proves it. Toil against a remotely organised team off 11 men. Simple tactic. Soak up pressure and hit us on the break and take chances. They done that twice tonight. We are awful. Bottom 6 fodder and he’ll be gone after the World Cup.

Do we have to wait that long?

[Hermit Crab]

Do we have to wait that long?

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Well played. I agree. Sooner the better. He’s clueless.

[He's here!]

Told you so. Tonight just proves it. Toil against a remotely organised team off 11 men. Simple tactic. Soak up pressure and hit us on the break and take chances. They done that twice tonight. We are awful. Bottom 6 fodder and he’ll be gone after the World Cup.

Hard to disagree.

[Hermit Crab]

Hard to disagree.



Loads will though. Loads weren't at Aberdeen or there last night, and loads won't be forking £34 to go to Ibrox in 5 weeks time either. I'm wrong though. Hearts fan, slaver, blah blah blah...:rolleyes:

[He's here!]

Loads will though. Loads weren't at Aberdeen or there last night, and loads won't be forking £34 to go to Ibrox in 5 weeks time either. I'm wrong though. Hearts fan, slaver, blah blah blah...:rolleyes:

There was disagreement after the Aberdeen result but I doubt many will do so after last night's debacle. You didn't have to be there to know it was a disgrace and that we must have been utterly c**p to lose comfortably to Ross County.

[Hermit Crab]

There was disagreement after the Aberdeen result but I doubt many will do so after last night's debacle. You didn't have to be there to know it was a disgrace and that we must have been utterly c**p to lose comfortably to Ross County.


Ross County
St Johntone
Dundee Utd

All 3 teams below us and well into the minus goal difference and we score one goal against them and concede 5. Horrendous.

[Donegal Hibby]

Ross County
St Johntone
Dundee Utd

All 3 teams below us and well into the minus goal difference and we score one goal against them and concede 5. Horrendous.
Scored 3 against Ross county and st Johnstone, losing none as well. Going to do facts do them right at least

[MWHIBBIES]

Loads will though. Loads weren't at Aberdeen or there last night, and loads won't be forking £34 to go to Ibrox in 5 weeks time either. I'm wrong though. Hearts fan, slaver, blah blah blah...:rolleyes:

Paying £34 quid to go to Ibrox doesn't make your opinion hold any more weight that anyone elses.

[He's here!]

Scored 3 against Ross county and st Johnstone, losing none as well. Going to do facts do them right at least

That was then, this is now - and right now we're sinking fast. If we were a good side we'd have built on those wins and repeated them. Instead we've got worse.

[MWHIBBIES]

That was then, this is now - and right now we're sinking fast. If we were a good side we'd have built on those wins and repeated them. Instead we've got worse.

If we're a good side we'd win every match, yeah, thats never happening.

We're sinking so desperately fast we're 8 above the play off and 2 behind 3rd. Going down like the titanic...

[Hibernian Verse]

Loads will though. Loads weren't at Aberdeen or there last night, and loads won't be forking £34 to go to Ibrox in 5 weeks time either. I'm wrong though. Hearts fan, slaver, blah blah blah...:rolleyes:

Return your away season ticket then and stop bleating.

[Donegal Hibby]

That was then, this is now - and right now we're sinking fast. If we were a good side we'd have built on those wins and repeated them. Instead we've got worse.
That was then and this now ? I see now anti Johnson brigade just want to pick certain games and make facts up about them and dismiss other games like the other poster did so the 3 goals we got don't count . Excellent propaganda that .

[Stuart93]

If we're a good side we'd win every match, yeah, thats never happening.

We're sinking so desperately fast we're 8 above the play off and 2 behind 3rd. Going down like the titanic...

It’s had to disagree that our performances seem to being going backwards, not forwards

[Hermit Crab]

Scored 3 against Ross county and st Johnstone, losing none as well. Going to do facts do them right at least



Not in our last 6 games we never. We scraped a win at Saints because they had 10 men, Boyle was the difference between the two teams in Dingwall.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not in our last 6 games we never. We scraped a win at Saints because they had 10 men, Boyle was the difference between the two teams in Dingwall.

This a cracker. One of our players made a difference? no way, how ****ing else are we gonna win?

[He's here!]

That was then and this now ? I see now anti Johnson brigade just want to pick certain games and make facts up about them and dismiss other games like the other poster did so the 3 goals we got don't count . Excellent propaganda that .

I'm not 'anti-Johnson' or making up anything. The facts are we're on a dreadful run of 5 defeats in 6, including home defeats to St Johnstone and Ross County and conceding 10 goals in the games against Celtic and Aberdeen. We're going backwards fast.

[He's here!]

Not in our last 6 games we never. We scraped a win at Saints because they had 10 men, Boyle was the difference between the two teams in Dingwall.

I thought we were the better team in both those games albeit the game in Perth was pretty poor. County were well in control last night though while our reaction to going down to 10 men v Saints at home was pathetic.