We need to talk about the direction of our club

[Northernhibee]

As a counterbalance to the “we need to talk about Lee” thread.

I’m concerned. Unless we sign 3-4 good first team players who know the league before the window shuts it’s been another brutal window IMO. Players have come in who may be good in time but aren’t good enough just now. Something like thirteen players in and we’re still feel short of quality despite what is on paper arguably a bloated squad. No real identity to our play. The manager making concerning remarks in interviews suggesting he might not be the happiest with the situation.

This could be the third poor transfer window in a row. We’re on our third manager since the start of last season.

On the plus side since then we’ve reached a final and a semi final, brought in new commercial partnerships and have boards and screens up in the stadium which is looking good and new hospitality suites which look great.

Im just deeply concerned about how we’ve changed manager - twice - and the same problems remain. It feels a bit like the rot is in danger of setting in.

I start this thread as I like LJ and want him here long term. I would be interested in peoples thoughts on how we get the ship turned around on the pitch and headed in the right direction again. 5pts from 15 isn’t acceptable.

[Lee Marvin]

South, down or falling.

No other answer is correct.

[green day]

I said after Maloney was canned that the first appointment should be a DoF, not a manager.

DoF decides on football strategy, appoints managers, sources the type of players the manager wants via contacts etc.

That answer isnt rocket science, it was obvious to a blind man, but not to Ron Gordon and Ben Kensell.

Ron has gone on record stating that he thinks the recruitment has worked well - that tells me that he doesnt know enough, but is too stubborn to do the right thing.

That needs to change, but until Ron changes it, we are stuck in limbo.

[Key West]

The players we have need to be the best versions of themselves that they can be and match the opposition for commitment from the kick off, that shouldn't be a big ask, players being out injured doesn't help the manager in terms of selection.
Unfortunately there's no quick fix and even in a Hibs context we should be doing better than we are, I find all of these things difficult to envisage on what I've seen,alas that's my perception of events.

[Stuart93]

As a counterbalance to the “we need to talk about Lee” thread.

I’m concerned. Unless we sign 3-4 good first team players who know the league before the window shuts it’s been another brutal window IMO. Players have come in who may be good in time but aren’t good enough just now. Something like thirteen players in and we’re still feel short of quality despite what is on paper arguably a bloated squad. No real identity to our play. The manager making concerning remarks in interviews suggesting he might not be the happiest with the situation.

This could be the third poor transfer window in a row. We’re on our third manager since the start of last season.

On the plus side since then we’ve reached a final and a semi final, brought in new commercial partnerships and have boards and screens up in the stadium which is looking good and new hospitality suites which look great.

Im just deeply concerned about how we’ve changed manager - twice - and the same problems remain. It feels a bit like the rot is in danger of setting in.

I start this thread as I like LJ and want him here long term. I would be interested in peoples thoughts on how we get the ship turned around on the pitch and headed in the right direction again. 5pts from 15 isn’t acceptable.

All about recruitment and the football side of the club for me. RG is getting it right off the field but it’s clear they’ve zero clue about on field.

Bring in a director of football/similar position to be in charge of all things football related on the park. We’ve signed so many young players and none of them look ready.

[vahibbie]

Man for man our current players are at least as good as most other teams in the league they just don’t show it. OK, we have a couple of problem positions but so do other teams. The manager is not getting the best out of what he has, he may not be happy with what he has but he is still not using his resources well enough.
I don’t know who has the final say in what players arrive at ER but if LJ doesn’t have a big say in 1st team squad additions that’s a unsustainable situation.

[Alfred E Newman]

If we stay out the relegation dog fight it will be a success.

[Yorkshire HFC]

It’s Ron Gordon’s club - he’ll do whatever he wants with it.

[Bostonhibby]

I agree, but we don't matter.

Development team is the place to be. The transition just got longer, enjoy the journey.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

The rot isn’t starting to set in, it’s well and truly already set.

We are a horror show.

[Hibernian Verse]

Give it a round of fixtures first. Usual posters circling here.

[green day]

Give it a round of fixtures first. Usual posters circling here.

We have won 4 games in the league this year. We are in deep ****.

[Chorley Hibee]

Give it a round of fixtures first. Usual posters circling here.

You don't think the last 36 fixtures have been enough to start drawing conclusions on the raft of guff that we've seen time and again?

Usual posters defending the indefensible.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You don't think the last 36 fixtures have been enough to start drawing conclusions on the raft of guff that we've seen time and again?

Usual posters defending the indefensible.

:agree:

Laughable to suggest we should just keep waiting to see how we go.

[blackpoolhibs]

There is no doubt that off the field we are doing magnificently well, profits soaring. What i dont understand is the football philosophy,

Surely a man who is delivering off field, can see his vision is clearly the wrong way about.

Get the 1st team right first, and the rest can come after.:confused:

[truehibernian]

It’s Ron Gordon’s club - he’ll do whatever he wants with it.

That’s the huge worry. Sooner he goes, the better - my stance won’t change on my opinion of RG so I suppose I’m now lumped into the ‘usual posters circling’ bracket.

[WhileTheChief..]

What’s your issue with RG? (I don’t mean that in a nippy, argumentative way as it maybe comes across!!)

I generally like what he has to say and the ‘vision’ he has for the club. The talk about increasing turnover and being top 4 / in the semis each year is what I want to hear.

The bits I don’t want to hear from him are when he starts talking about players and our squad. I simply can’t agree with anything he says on that front.

And Ben Kensall. He’s wrong about Ben too.

Other than that???

[Hibernian Verse]

You don't think the last 36 fixtures have been enough to start drawing conclusions on the raft of guff that we've seen time and again?

Usual posters defending the indefensible.

I call it how I see it. Not a “usual poster defending the indefensible”.

It’s a miracle most of you can cope with setbacks in your day to day lives.

[green day]

I call it how I see it. Not a “usual poster defending the indefensible”.

It’s a miracle most of you can cope with setbacks in your day to day lives.

It's not "setbacks" when you have only won 4 league games in almost 9 months, it's a huge failure across the entire football dept.

[neil7908]

It's not "setbacks" when you have only won 4 league games in almost 9 months, it's a huge failure across the entire football dept.

This. I'm certainly not panicking yet (not sure if I've ever panicked about anything to do with Hibs!) but the the next week is massive.

If we fail to strengthen appropriately and lose to Killie I can't see any real hope for us getting a decent campaign in the league or SC.

Relegation is a long way off but I wouldn't rule it out with the current squad.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's not "setbacks" when you have only won 4 league games in almost 9 months, it's a huge failure across the entire football dept.

:agree:

Absolutely laughable to have a go at fans.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This. I'm certainly not panicking yet (not sure if I've ever panicked about anything to do with Hibs!) but the the next week is massive.

If we fail to strengthen appropriately and lose to Killie I can't see any real hope for us getting a decent campaign in the league or SC.

Relegation is a long way off but I wouldn't rule it out with the current squad.

Relegation is only a long way off in terms of months until it gets to that time.

Standard wise, it’s already here. This team will be fighting relegation.

[Jones28]

You don't think the last 36 fixtures have been enough to start drawing conclusions on the raft of guff that we've seen time and again?

Usual posters defending the indefensible.

I’m usually on the clubs side, it’s becoming very difficult to defend what is rapidly becoming indefensible.

Recruitment has been a horror show since last summer, 3 managers and no DOF, endless stream of recruits for a development side and not addressing first team problems.

Off the pitch everything has been very good, but that’s a sideshow. It’s time for the first team to get the attention it so desperately needs.

We need centre forwards, midfielders and a centre back ASAP.

[Since452]

Some absolute drama queens on here just now. Tiresome.

[Hibernian Verse]

It's not "setbacks" when you have only won 4 league games in almost 9 months, it's a huge failure across the entire football dept.

You have to forget last season though. It’s gone. If LJ can’t get a few wins out the rest of round ones fixtures then we can revisit. If Youan had tucked away his chances were talking very differently.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You have to forget last season though. It’s gone. If LJ can’t get a few wins out the rest of round ones fixtures then we can revisit. If Youan had tucked away his chances were talking very differently.

What? :faf:

We don’t have to forget last season at all. Lessons should have been learned from last season that clearly haven’t been.

The last thing we should be doing is simply forgetting last season.

[Hibernian Verse]

:agree:

Absolutely laughable to have a go at fans.

Not as funny as most of the thread titles on here this morning.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not as funny as most of the thread titles on here this morning.

Na, it really is.

[Hibernian Verse]

Na, it really is.

I’d love to have a pint with you just to see if you’re as negative in real life. I’ll buy.

[neil7908]

You have to forget last season though. It’s gone. If LJ can’t get a few wins out the rest of round ones fixtures then we can revisit. If Youan had tucked away his chances were talking very differently.

We can only forget last season when it's clear we've learned lessons and moved on.

What's the saying about ignoring history and being doomed to repeat the same mistakes?

Aberdeen came into this season in a similar position as us: crap previous season, comparable budget to ours that is way ahead of most teams in the league, a new manager and lots of players signed.

And yet they seem to have escaped the mythical transition that Hibs always seem to be told we have to accept.

[green day]

You have to forget last season though. It’s gone. If LJ can’t get a few wins out the rest of round ones fixtures then we can revisit. If Youan had tucked away his chances were talking very differently.

We can't really forget last season as the starting line up was mostly the team that were utter garbage then

We had a midfield yesterday that we all know produces nothing.

We are in relegation form, we can't play St Johnstone every week.

[Hibernian Verse]

We can't really forget last season as the starting line up was mostly the team that were utter garbage then

We had a midfield yesterday that we all know produces nothing.

We are in relegation form, we can't play St Johnstone every week.

By definition we are not in relegation form. Form is 5 games, we are 8th with 4 teams below us.

Anyway I don’t have the energy. I’m away to enjoy the rest of my weekend.

[GreenCastle]

That’s the huge worry. Sooner he goes, the better - my stance won’t change on my opinion of RG so I suppose I’m now lumped into the ‘usual posters circling’ bracket.

Ron is a good guy and cares.

As annoyed as I am I don’t have an issue with him.

He just doesn’t have the correct people making decisions below him.

If he made changes and actually got folk who knew what they were doing it would make a huge difference.

He is trusting folk to do their job and they are under performing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ron is a good guy and cares.

As annoyed as I am I don’t have an issue with him.

He just doesn’t have the correct people making decisions below him.

If he made changes and actually got folk who knew what they were doing it would make a huge difference.

He is trusting folk to do their job and they are under performing.

Aye but he’s trusting his son to do a job that he’s absolutely no reason to be in. He’s at fault here, massively imo.

[GreenCastle]

Aye but he’s trusting his son to do a job that he’s absolutely no reason to be in. He’s at fault here, massively imo.

Blind loyalty I will give you that.

I just think it’s a bit extreme for fans to say Ron is the issue when he’s trusted people to deliver and they hasn’t.

Ron like Lee are responsible yes in their departments but don’t think it’s as simple as leave and things will improve.

[Dmas]

Aye but he’s trusting his son to do a job that he’s absolutely no reason to be in. He’s at fault here, massively imo.

His son is rubber stamping cheques what qualifications do you need for that?

[Paulie Walnuts]

His son is rubber stamping cheques what qualifications do you need for that?

Sorry but I don’t believe for a second the crap RG tells us about the job his son is doing.

He’s in a position of significant influence.

[Dmas]

Sorry but I don’t believe for a second the crap RG tells us about the job his son is doing.

He’s in a position of significant influence.

He’s heading up a team of people who look at a signing targets availability, affordability and if the personal terms are workable for the club.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s heading up a team of people who look at a signing targets availability, affordability and if the personal terms are workable for the club.

So not rubber stamping cheques then?

[Dmas]

Financial aspects of signings….so stamping cheques, it’s also been made known its Kensall that negotiates, so it doesn’t really sound like big bad Ian is all that involved really does it

[Northernhibee]

Not as funny as most of the thread titles on here this morning.
You seem to be wanting to have a bit of a wind up on here and haven’t contributed any sort of counterbalance. From the last twelve months what has improved on the footballing side of things? I’ve acknowledged the upturn on the commercial side of our club, hospitality and the stadium and also Hampden appearances so I’d love to know what has upset certain posters on here about that, if you think my post is one sided then I’d love to hear why.

[Northernhibee]

Financial aspects of signings….so stamping cheques, it’s also been made known its Kensall that negotiates, so it doesn’t really sound like big bad Ian is all that involved really does it

So why do Ian and Ben’s house of recruitment laughs get it so badly wrong so often? We have a squad that is simultaneously extremely bloated and extremely short of the players we require (we still need at least one CB, one CM, one LM and one ST in my book). We spend money all over the place on players who don’t look as if they fit into a plan. We’ve done that two windows in a row.

How do we improve that?

[B.H.F.C]

You have to forget last season though. It’s gone. If LJ can’t get a few wins out the rest of round ones fixtures then we can revisit. If Youan had tucked away his chances were talking very differently.

Discount last season and just look at what we’ve produced so far this season and we’re, arguably, regressing even further if that was bloody possible.

We’ve signed a raft of players and hardly any of them were playing yesterday. What does that say about our recruitment policy?

‘If’ this and ‘if’ that. I’m sick of the word ‘if’ where Hibs are concerned. We’re under performing in every aspect on the football side of things.

Those in Paisley yesterday made their feelings known at full time and it was nothing to do with being the usual suspects or just wanting to be negative. It was sheer frustration at watching the same movie play out. And it’ll continue to play out because we’re continuing to do the same things.

[Dmas]

So why do Ian and Ben’s house of recruitment laughs get it so badly wrong so often? We have a squad that is simultaneously extremely bloated and extremely short of the players we require (we still need at least one CB, one CM, one LM and one ST in my book). We spend money all over the place on players who don’t look as if they fit into a plan. We’ve done that two windows in a row.

How do we improve that?

I’ve no idea how to improve it, I’m just a punter like yourself, however, the manager was on record saying he highlighted Tavares and Bojang and also pulled the strings on McAllisters laddy and persuaded mcgeady, so there’s your CM LM and ST elements the managers chosen to fill so to just throw the blame continuously towards Ian Gordon every time the team doesn’t perform is wrong

[green day]

I’ve no idea how to improve it, I’m just a punter like yourself, however, the manager was on record saying he highlighted Tavares and Bojang and also pulled the strings on McAllisters laddy and persuaded mcgeady, so there’s your CM LM and ST elements the managers chosen to fill so to just throw the blame continuously towards Ian Gordon every time the team doesn’t perform is wrong

Its not that tricky, this is what I posted on page 1 of this thread yesterday;

"I said after Maloney was canned that the first appointment should be a DoF, not a manager.


DoF decides on football strategy, appoints managers, sources the type of players the manager wants via contacts etc.


That answer isnt rocket science, it was obvious to a blind man, but not to Ron Gordon and Ben Kensell.


Ron has gone on record stating that he thinks the recruitment has worked well - that tells me that he doesnt know enough, but is too stubborn to do the right thing.


That needs to change, but until Ron changes it, we are stuck in limbo."

[MWHIBBIES]

If our head of recruitment is only trusted to sign cheques, he should not be head of recruitment. We need someone who actually knows what the **** they're doing.

Either way, he is stealing a living right now.

[Dmas]

Its not that tricky, this is what I posted on page 1 of this thread yesterday;

"I said after Maloney was canned that the first appointment should be a DoF, not a manager.


DoF decides on football strategy, appoints managers, sources the type of players the manager wants via contacts etc.


That answer isnt rocket science, it was obvious to a blind man, but not to Ron Gordon and Ben Kensell.


Ron has gone on record stating that he thinks the recruitment has worked well - that tells me that he doesnt know enough, but is too stubborn to do the right thing.


That needs to change, but until Ron changes it, we are stuck in limbo."

DoF is just another job title to throw blame at when it doesn’t go right, if we appointed one of them and nothing changed it wouldn’t be long before ‘the manager isn’t signing players’ ‘what is this guys qualifications’ etc etc

The truth of the matter is there’s a small line between success and failure on signing players at the level we are at and right now we’ve seen ourselves on the wrong side of it, look at that mob in gorgie signing huddies for years seem to have got it right last couple, same with aberdeen we where clearly in for a lot of same players, they slipped off looked to have done some decent deals this year.

Even higher up the food chain Rangers and Celtic, how many duds have rangers signed in recent years same with Celtic post ange hopeless both have DoF means nowt it’s a gamble and a risk no matter how you go about it

[Northernhibee]

DoF is just another job title to throw blame at when it doesn’t go right, if we appointed one of them and nothing changed it wouldn’t be long before ‘the manager isn’t signing players’ ‘what is this guys qualifications’ etc etc

The truth of the matter is there’s a small line between success and failure on signing players at the level we are at and right now we’ve seen ourselves on the wrong side of it, look at that mob in gorgie signing huddies for years seem to have got it right last couple, same with aberdeen we where clearly in for a lot of same players, they slipped off looked to have done some decent deals this year.

Even higher up the food chain Rangers and Celtic, how many duds have rangers signed in recent years same with Celtic post ange hopeless both have DoF means nowt it’s a gamble and a risk no matter how you go about it

We’d absolutely be wanting to know the DoF’s qualifications if they were failing and just happened to be a direct family member of the owner. Asking if it’s a good appointment or just downright nepotism is a very fair question.

The easiest way to make that question to go away is to run a successful department and as of just now our recruitment is absolutely howling.

[makaveli1875]

South, down or falling.

No other answer is correct.

I raise you backwards

[green day]

DoF is just another job title to throw blame at when it doesn’t go right, if we appointed one of them and nothing changed it wouldn’t be long before ‘the manager isn’t signing players’ ‘what is this guys qualifications’ etc etc

The truth of the matter is there’s a small line between success and failure on signing players at the level we are at and right now we’ve seen ourselves on the wrong side of it, look at that mob in gorgie signing huddies for years seem to have got it right last couple, same with aberdeen we where clearly in for a lot of same players, they slipped off looked to have done some decent deals this year.

Even higher up the food chain Rangers and Celtic, how many duds have rangers signed in recent years same with Celtic post ange hopeless both have DoF means nowt it’s a gamble and a risk no matter how you go about it

The title doesnt matter, as you say - however ;

The difference between Hearts under Levein and Hearts now is that then he relied too much on his pal John Colhoun to source players and the result was scattergun rubbish (a bit like us now).

When he left, they appointed the guy Savage (from Southamption, iirc?) and the difference in the players recruited and brought in on loan is enormous.

Aberdeen have someone who does similar.

Aberdeen had one bad season, had a clearout of the crap and replaced players in the specific areas they were weak.

Their new striker hasnt needed time to bed in, 6 goals and an assist in his first 6 matches, ffs.

The "small line between success and failure" is the professionalism of those who are sourcing players for the manager, the hit rate is far higher for those clubs.

[Dmas]

We’d absolutely be wanting to know the DoF’s qualifications if they were failing and just happened to be a direct family member of the owner. Asking if it’s a good appointment or just downright nepotism is a very fair question.

The easiest way to make that question to go away is to run a successful department and as of just now our recruitment is absolutely howling.

But as I said in a previous reply, Tavares mcgeady Bojang mcallister where all brought to the table or in mcgeadys case pushed over the line, by the manager.
Cabraja, youann, Marshall, bringing Boyle back all look like decent business to me.

The teams failing on its reliance on players signed up on long deals by previous managers can you really expect one window under a new manager to fix everything that was wrong last season? Can you expect 13 odd players to hit it off right away?

[Northernhibee]

But as I said in a previous reply, Tavares mcgeady Bojang mcallister where all brought to the table or in mcgeadys case pushed over the line, by the manager.
Cabraja, youann, Marshall, bringing Boyle back all look like decent business to me.

The teams failing on its reliance on players signed up on long deals by previous managers can you really expect one window under a new manager to fix everything that was wrong last season? Can you expect 13 odd players to hit it off right away?
I can expect thirteen or fourteen players to show signs of filling the glaring gaps we had last season.

[Hibees1973]

I really don't care when people say 'oh, but Ron is a good guy'

It all comes down to results and we are on our 3rd manager in a year. Going by what Ron has done before, Johnson won't be here much longer based on results and performances so far this season. I will not criticise Johnson so early into his tenure as I am not fully aware of the restrictions he is working under.

Much as Ron seems to have upped our game on the commercial side of things, this will only be a success long-term if there is a decent team on the park.

Fans will dwindle away once apathy and resentment sets in. It's only down to our loyal fan base that ST are above 11,000. However, these supporters won't tolerate 1st team recruitment mis-management, waffle and nepotism indefinitely.

Ron is in the last chance saloon as far as managers are concerned. If Johnson is sacked then Ron, his son, Kensall and Kean should leave as well. I'm sure if Ron put the club up for sale there would be local people or a consortium happy to take over Hibs.

[lyonhibs]

What? :faf:

We don’t have to forget last season at all. Lessons should have been learned from last season that clearly haven’t been.

The last thing we should be doing is simply forgetting last season.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it, as they say.

And here we are, no spine and praying that, a few players aside, that youngsters or a midfield that has repeatedly shown itself to be collectively impotent suddenly turn a corner.

Again.

[Gorgiehibee]

Man for man our current players are at least as good as most other teams in the league they just don’t show it. OK, we have a couple of problem positions but so do other teams. The manager is not getting the best out of what he has, he may not be happy with what he has but he is still not using his resources well enough.
I don’t know who has the final say in what players arrive at ER but if LJ doesn’t have a big say in 1st team squad additions that’s a unsustainable situation.


Tbh I think we've bummed them up too much and they aren't as good as we think they are. Hence the position were in now.

[Sir David Gray]

Man for man our current players are at least as good as most other teams in the league they just don’t show it. OK, we have a couple of problem positions but so do other teams. The manager is not getting the best out of what he has, he may not be happy with what he has but he is still not using his resources well enough.
I don’t know who has the final say in what players arrive at ER but if LJ doesn’t have a big say in 1st team squad additions that’s a unsustainable situation.

The stats suggest that we don't have a squad as good as most other teams in the league.

Of the 11 teams who were in the league last season this is the points tally from the last 36 league games.

Celtic - 98
Rangers - 86
Hearts - 56
Livingston - 51
St Mirren - 46
Aberdeen - 42
Motherwell - 41
Ross County - 41
Dundee Utd - 38
Hibs - 35
St Johnstone - 32

So only St Johnstone are worse than us and the likes of Dundee Utd, Ross County and Motherwell had top 6 fixtures at the end of last season as well which we obviously didn't have.

[Billy Whizz]

The stats suggest that we don't have a squad as good as most other teams in the league.

Of the 11 teams who were in the league last season this is the points tally from the last 36 league games.

Celtic - 98
Rangers - 86
Hearts - 56
Livingston - 51
St Mirren - 46
Aberdeen - 42
Motherwell - 41
Ross County - 41
Dundee Utd - 38
Hibs - 35
St Johnstone - 32

So only St Johnstone are worse than us and the likes of Dundee Utd, Ross County and Motherwell had top 6 fixtures at the end of last season as well which we obviously didn't have.

Great analysis, thanks

[snedzuk]

Discount last season and just look at what we’ve produced so far this season and we’re, arguably, regressing even further if that was bloody possible.

We’ve signed a raft of players and hardly any of them were playing yesterday. What does that say about our recruitment policy?

‘If’ this and ‘if’ that. I’m sick of the word ‘if’ where Hibs are concerned. We’re under performing in every aspect on the football side of things.

Those in Paisley yesterday made their feelings known at full time and it was nothing to do with being the usual suspects or just wanting to be negative. It was sheer frustration at watching the same movie play out. And it’ll continue to play out because we’re continuing to do the same things.

Goodness knows how many Hibs defeats Ive been to, but that was really poisonous at FT yesterday.

[GreenCastle]

Another issue we have is that if we don’t qualify for Europe this season the financial gap will easily increase again between us and Hearts / Aberdeen - we can’t let this happen regularly with the new format.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

The stats suggest that we don't have a squad as good as most other teams in the league.

Of the 11 teams who were in the league last season this is the points tally from the last 36 league games.

Celtic - 98
Rangers - 86
Hearts - 56
Livingston - 51
St Mirren - 46
Aberdeen - 42
Motherwell - 41
Ross County - 41
Dundee Utd - 38
Hibs - 35
St Johnstone - 32

So only St Johnstone are worse than us and the likes of Dundee Utd, Ross County and Motherwell had top 6 fixtures at the end of last season as well which we obviously didn't have.

A fair indicator of where we are, anyone surprised hasn't been paying much attention.

[Henderson2Del]

A fair indicator of where we are, anyone surprised hasn't been paying much attention.

On the pitch Ron is only taking us one way. Off the pitch is the
Opposite. He needs to realise there one thing that feeds the rest and him and his sons current strategy is not working

[john rossi]

We are heading for relegation Dundee mark 2 unfortunately,out with Dundee united we have the worst squad in the premier leauge. I doubt Lee Johnson is happy with what he has at his disposal and listening to his interview might jump ship before Ron fires yet another manager?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

We are heading for relegation Dundee mark 2 unfortunately,out with Dundee united we have the worst squad in the premier leauge. I doubt Lee Johnson is happy with what he has at his disposal and listening to his interview might jump ship before Ron fires yet another manager?

Yeah I get the feeling that another couple of days like yesterday and he be thinking **** this

[HerbDailly]

I don't post often, but this is really worrying.

We had a sliding doors moment during that zoom call with Ron. To him it was self evident that our recruitment has been great, and he was met with an awkward silence that he didn't pick up on.
I won't blame anyone for not confronting a multi millionaire who holds our future in his hand, but he went away from that meeting still convinced that recruitment has been great!

He's now going to be bluntly met with the message that recruitment is ****, and I worry he'll react all American and emotionally.

And recruitment IS ****, why are some still pretending it isn't?
Those *******s across town have signed Forrest, he's flying. Shankland, scoring. That ginger Aussie got injured but looks solid. We got Marshall, who's SM's old mucker, and Boyle, who couldn't really have gone anywhere else with the money they still owed us. Everyone else? Jury's out, at best.

Plus, I suspect our manager really is a David Brent character, and that those in charge are buying it, having never watched the office.

Someone, convince me I'm wrong!

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[Jones28]

I don't post often, but this is really worrying.

We had a sliding doors moment during that zoom call with Ron. To him it was self evident that our recruitment has been great, and he was met with an awkward silence that he didn't pick up on.
I won't blame anyone for not confronting a multi millionaire who holds our future in his hand, but he went away from that meeting still convinced that recruitment has been great!

He's now going to be bluntly met with the message that recruitment is ****, and I worry he'll react all American and emotionally.

And recruitment IS ****, why are some still pretending it isn't?
Those *******s across town have signed Forrest, he's flying. Shankland, scoring. That ginger Aussie got injured but looks solid. We got Marshall, who's SM's old mucker, and Boyle, who couldn't really have gone anywhere else with the money they still owed us. Everyone else? Jury's out, at best.

Plus, I suspect our manager really is a David Brent character, and that those in charge are buying it, having never watched the office.

Someone, convince me I'm wrong!

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The only thing I would say you’re wrong on is the David Brent thing, give LJ more credit than that!

But otherwise unfortunately it’s looking like everything you’ve said is correct. I would say that Bushiri is becoming a more successful signing as time goes on, looks like the player who made his debut, than the short of confidence one who ended last season.

We needed players to hit the ground running, Boyle and Marshall are the only ones that have. Kenneh has looked best of the rest. We needed a striker and centre half, of which we’ve signed neither.

What I’m finding strange at the moment Dan Mackay is away, and it looks like he won’t be back at the club when we need some left sided attacking quality. Delfierre was probably the player who most impressed me in pre season and he’s away on loan. Tait looked like he had confidence and quality and he hasn’t had a look in, but our tried, tested and proven crap midfield are still playing together.

[HerbDailly]

The only thing I would say you’re wrong on is the David Brent thing, give LJ more credit than that!

But otherwise unfortunately it’s looking like everything you’ve said is correct. I would say that Bushiri is becoming a more successful signing as time goes on, looks like the player who made his debut, than the short of confidence one who ended last season.

We needed players to hit the ground running, Boyle and Marshall are the only ones that have. Kenneh has looked best of the rest. We needed a striker and centre half, of which we’ve signed neither.

What I’m finding strange at the moment Dan Mackay is away, and it looks like he won’t be back at the club when we need some left sided attacking quality. Delfierre was probably the player who most impressed me in pre season and he’s away on loan. Tait looked like he had confidence and quality and he hasn’t had a look in, but our tried, tested and proven crap midfield are still playing together.I hope you're right, but him and McAllister both played for the yams, so the back of my mind has a major nagging doubt, I can't help it. It's not exactly being soothed just now :(

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[The Captain....]

On the football side of the club completely unacceptable performances have become the norm and are tolerated. None of the players responsible for these have been replaced by better yet we wonder why we don't improve.

From needing a CH, a remodelled midfield and a quality CF we could easiy , as fans, identify the key areas requiring improvement . We are now in the last few days of the window and nothing to remedy this has has been done.We now have a clearly exasperated manager ( yet again) telling us he needs better to change the results but that he is going to have to work with what he has. It feels like we've already written the season off.

This is a terrible squad of players, outwith 4 or 5 of them , they have proved this over many games. There was a great post the other day (sorry I can't mind who it was to credit them) saying the problem was as much the players we do have rather than the ones we brought in. Tbh I think it's an unholy mix of the two...***** players at the club already and either not replaced or done so with even worse.

I'm not one to get particularly angry about how we are performing but I was really pissed off at that abomination on Saturday. It was just absolutely dire...I'd be ashamed to show my face if I was connected to that performance..it is not good enough for Hibs and they need told in no uncertain terms they won't get away with it again this season. With the exception of the 4 or 5 I mentioned I'd be deliriously happy never to see most of these players again. They are shte.







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[Bridge hibs]

I hope you're right, but him and McAllister both played for the yams, so the back of my mind has a major nagging doubt, I can't help it. It's not exactly being soothed just now :(

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What does both of them previously playing for the ‘yams’ have to do with anything ?

[RIP]

:agree:

Absolutely laughable to have a go at fans.

If people constantly dissing Hibs are ‘fans’ we really are in a pit.

[HerbDailly]

What does both of them previously playing for the ‘yams’ have to do with anything ?I actively disliked them both before they came here

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[Bridge hibs]

I actively disliked them both before they came here

Sent from my XQ-AS52 using TapatalkCouldnt give a flying one who they both played for, it has no bearing on whats happening on the park and thats my concern

[green day]

I actively disliked them both before they came here

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"Actively disliked" :aok:

Our assistant manager was much better known for playing for the likes of Aberdeen and Bristol, and our manager played 4 times for Hearts................

I think you might have had too much of the herb already mate.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If people constantly dissing Hibs are ‘fans’ we really are in a pit.

Aye, that’s the real problem at our club.

:rolleyes:

[Stuart93]

If people constantly dissing Hibs are ‘fans’ we really are in a pit.

gtf with that pish. When you start the season the way we have of course the fans are going to be “dissing” hibs because we’re a **** show.

[Ronniekirk]

If people constantly dissing Hibs are ‘fans’ we really are in a pit.

Some fans are rightly concerned for thier club in the short term Development players snd the B team hopefully pay dividends in the long term
But st Mirren manager said his summer signings have galvanised the team
It surely wasn’t too much to ask for us to do similar We have a bigger budget better commercial turnover than them
Ron has said we have the squad to finish fourth
On current performances , fourth bottom at best
That’s why fans are venting Thier frustration

[hibsforeurope]

Our problems today are not new issues that have appeared this season. These issues have been around for 18months to 2 years now, the need for a Centre half, improved Midfield and a goal scorer. Mathie was blamed by BK initially and got the boot, then it was Jack Ross, then Maloney.

We need to prioritise the 1st team and developing an over all football philosophy, there are more than enough signings for the development squad.

[I'm Spartacus]

We have won 4 games in the league this year. We are in deep ****.

Eh, no we've not!

Aw wait, you've caught me with the 'this year' part. Soz!

19 February Hibs 2 - 0 Ross County
23 April St Mirren 1 - 0 Hibs
15 May Hibs 4 - 0 St Johnstone
30 July St Johnstone 0 - 1 Hibs

2 v St J and they are HONKING. How dire :(

[I'm Spartacus]

Here's one club issue that's stuck with me, Ben K having his photo taken with kids like he's the Club Captain. Clown.

[sean]

I am not a big poster but keep a keen eye on the messageboards and I am starting to understand the worries and frustrations some fans are having.

I dont have anything against Johnson, Kensell or Ron and his family, I won't claim to know how things work on the inside at Hibs and can only base judgments from what we see at the stadium, on the park and in the press or by fan podcasts / forums.

Jack Ross lead us too a 3rd place finish for the first time in 17 years and having only done this 2 previous times in my lifetime is quite an achievement that no one should gloss over. Regardless of whether it was a shut out season because of covid, the results stood for themselves and his finished 3rd at a canter. At that point with the way the European outlook was shaping up we really did have a head start on Aberdeen and Hearts to gain financial riches than we could only gain through player sales previously. A general idea was that we probably needed 3 starters down the very spine of our team that would really enhance the playing group to get into the Europa groups or Conference league along with maybe 3 others to bolster the squad.

What we got was very different.

McGennis was signed and although the early signs were positive hasn't been since his first few weeks due to injury ( not his or Hibs fault )

Apart from the name above I can't think of a single player in the previous 2 windows (soon to be 3) who has enhanced the playing group that took us to 3rd spot. We can argue Marshall but he replaced a fine keeper in Marciano so its basically a like for like and we dabbled in the middle of that with Macey.

so we are now coming up for 3 transfer windows on from finishing 3rd in the league and are actually playing upgrades are 0 and infact we've got weaker due to a long term injury to Nisbet and Doidge who in fairness was exceptional in the ross season now looks like his best days are behind him.

I dont think the guys we have had at the club since finishing 3rd are rubbish, I felt they needed that extra bit of help to build on what they achieved, each manager hasn't been supported in that respect and funnily enough the results haven't shifted either.

I respect the bold approach and I champion it, signing young up and coming players with the hope of selling on for vast fees, its the way forward, in fact its a no brainer but its gone way too far. The first team has had money spent on it, its been enhanced in numbers but not in quality. We have signed around 12 players this season and only 2/3 are locked in to start. I can't recall many teams having a situation where they basically sign a whole new team but 75% of them are not playing.

Ross wasn't a bad manager, Maloney isn't and I dont believe Johnson is but we have strengthened the Key areas from 12 months ago, we have actually regressed and our direct rivals have all improved.

Worrying.

[Willis1875]

I am not a big poster but keep a keen eye on the messageboards and I am starting to understand the worries and frustrations some fans are having.

I dont have anything against Johnson, Kensell or Ron and his family, I won't claim to know how things work on the inside at Hibs and can only base judgments from what we see at the stadium, on the park and in the press or by fan podcasts / forums.

Jack Ross lead us too a 3rd place finish for the first time in 17 years and having only done this 2 previous times in my lifetime is quite an achievement that no one should gloss over. Regardless of whether it was a shut out season because of covid, the results stood for themselves and his finished 3rd at a canter. At that point with the way the European outlook was shaping up we really did have a head start on Aberdeen and Hearts to gain financial riches than we could only gain through player sales previously. A general idea was that we probably needed 3 starters down the very spine of our team that would really enhance the playing group to get into the Europa groups or Conference league along with maybe 3 others to bolster the squad.

What we got was very different.

McGennis was signed and although the early signs were positive hasn't been since his first few weeks due to injury ( not his or Hibs fault )

Apart from the name above I can't think of a single player in the previous 2 windows (soon to be 3) who has enhanced the playing group that took us to 3rd spot. We can argue Marshall but he replaced a fine keeper in Marciano so its basically a like for like and we dabbled in the middle of that with Macey.

so we are now coming up for 3 transfer windows on from finishing 3rd in the league and are actually playing upgrades are 0 and infact we've got weaker due to a long term injury to Nisbet and Doidge who in fairness was exceptional in the ross season now looks like his best days are behind him.

I dont think the guys we have had at the club since finishing 3rd are rubbish, I felt they needed that extra bit of help to build on what they achieved, each manager hasn't been supported in that respect and funnily enough the results haven't shifted either.

I respect the bold approach and I champion it, signing young up and coming players with the hope of selling on for vast fees, its the way forward, in fact its a no brainer but its gone way too far. The first team has had money spent on it, its been enhanced in numbers but not in quality. We have signed around 12 players this season and only 2/3 are locked in to start. I can't recall many teams having a situation where they basically sign a whole new team but 75% of them are not playing.

Ross wasn't a bad manager, Maloney isn't and I dont believe Johnson is but we have strengthened the Key areas from 12 months ago, we have actually regressed and our direct rivals have all improved.

Worrying.

Spot on,Great post

[Bridge hibs]

Here's one club issue that's stuck with me, Ben K having his photo taken with kids like he's the Club Captain. Clown.

Aye, he should just have told the kids to **** off eh ? ****ing unreal what the bams in our support have to moan about 🤣🤣

[Since452]

Here's one club issue that's stuck with me, Ben K having his photo taken with kids like he's the Club Captain. Clown.

Of all the things you could have a go about you use that one?

[Jones28]

Here's one club issue that's stuck with me, Ben K having his photo taken with kids like he's the Club Captain. Clown.

You think the CEO was whoring himself out, begging to be in photos?

Or maybe it was that he was approached, and should have told them to **** off?

[matty_f]

I don't post often, but this is really worrying.

We had a sliding doors moment during that zoom call with Ron. To him it was self evident that our recruitment has been great, and he was met with an awkward silence that he didn't pick up on.
I won't blame anyone for not confronting a multi millionaire who holds our future in his hand, but he went away from that meeting still convinced that recruitment has been great!

He's now going to be bluntly met with the message that recruitment is ****, and I worry he'll react all American and emotionally.

And recruitment IS ****, why are some still pretending it isn't?
Those *******s across town have signed Forrest, he's flying. Shankland, scoring. That ginger Aussie got injured but looks solid. We got Marshall, who's SM's old mucker, and Boyle, who couldn't really have gone anywhere else with the money they still owed us. Everyone else? Jury's out, at best.

Plus, I suspect our manager really is a David Brent character, and that those in charge are buying it, having never watched the office.

Someone, convince me I'm wrong!

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With respect to your point about the Zoom call and the transfers, after the call Longbangers and Down the Slope put together a pack that was sent directly to Ron detailing our thoughts, position by position, on the success or failure of the recruitment.

It wasn’t acknowledged.

[Heisenberg]

Here's one club issue that's stuck with me, Ben K having his photo taken with kids like he's the Club Captain. Clown.

Leanne Dempster used to do the same, although she had actually achieved some success in her role to deserve such attention.

[I'm Spartacus]

I am not a big poster but keep a keen eye on the messageboards and I am starting to understand the worries and frustrations some fans are having.

I dont have anything against Johnson, Kensell or Ron and his family, I won't claim to know how things work on the inside at Hibs and can only base judgments from what we see at the stadium, on the park and in the press or by fan podcasts / forums.

Jack Ross lead us too a 3rd place finish for the first time in 17 years and having only done this 2 previous times in my lifetime is quite an achievement that no one should gloss over. Regardless of whether it was a shut out season because of covid, the results stood for themselves and his finished 3rd at a canter. At that point with the way the European outlook was shaping up we really did have a head start on Aberdeen and Hearts to gain financial riches than we could only gain through player sales previously. A general idea was that we probably needed 3 starters down the very spine of our team that would really enhance the playing group to get into the Europa groups or Conference league along with maybe 3 others to bolster the squad.

What we got was very different.

McGennis was signed and although the early signs were positive hasn't been since his first few weeks due to injury ( not his or Hibs fault )

Apart from the name above I can't think of a single player in the previous 2 windows (soon to be 3) who has enhanced the playing group that took us to 3rd spot. We can argue Marshall but he replaced a fine keeper in Marciano so its basically a like for like and we dabbled in the middle of that with Macey.

so we are now coming up for 3 transfer windows on from finishing 3rd in the league and are actually playing upgrades are 0 and infact we've got weaker due to a long term injury to Nisbet and Doidge who in fairness was exceptional in the ross season now looks like his best days are behind him.

I dont think the guys we have had at the club since finishing 3rd are rubbish, I felt they needed that extra bit of help to build on what they achieved, each manager hasn't been supported in that respect and funnily enough the results haven't shifted either.

I respect the bold approach and I champion it, signing young up and coming players with the hope of selling on for vast fees, its the way forward, in fact its a no brainer but its gone way too far. The first team has had money spent on it, its been enhanced in numbers but not in quality. We have signed around 12 players this season and only 2/3 are locked in to start. I can't recall many teams having a situation where they basically sign a whole new team but 75% of them are not playing.

Ross wasn't a bad manager, Maloney isn't and I dont believe Johnson is but we have strengthened the Key areas from 12 months ago, we have actually regressed and our direct rivals have all improved.

Worrying.

Bang on.

Now the hospitality commitment has been complete it time to start building the quality on the park, Boyle has to be the start, and has to be the standard.

[I'm Spartacus]

Leanne Dempster used to do the same, although she had actually achieved some success in her role to deserve such attention.

Yeah and I was totally fine with that, but at these times just stay out the limelight, and as Roy Keane says 'Just do your job'.

[Trinity Hibee]

With respect to your point about the Zoom call and the transfers, after the call Longbangers and Down the Slope put together a pack that was sent directly to Ron detailing our thoughts, position by position, on the success or failure of the recruitment.

It wasn’t acknowledged.

Yeah, I’m not sure Ron himself knows what a decent footballer is to be honest.

[MrSmith]

I guess a positive of all this is, we actually like and back our current manager - that is good. However, re the direction, it's downwards and will take us another long period of transition before we get back to or anywhere near 2016 form again. I'm glad folks are also identifying the scattergun approach to our recruitment, it is the appropriate word and will only end as a cluster**** if not already there.

[loanheadhibby]

With respect to your point about the Zoom call and the transfers, after the call Longbangers and Down the Slope put together a pack that was sent directly to Ron detailing our thoughts, position by position, on the success or failure of the recruitment.

It wasn’t acknowledged.

I’ve not seen zoom call but why were these points you sent to him not addressed during the call? I’m assuming you had a good hour to put these thoughts to Ron during the call? What was behind decision to wait and send a pack?

[Northernhibee]

With respect to your point about the Zoom call and the transfers, after the call Longbangers and Down the Slope put together a pack that was sent directly to Ron detailing our thoughts, position by position, on the success or failure of the recruitment.

It wasn’t acknowledged.
I appreciate that, that takes a bit of balls when you’re being offered access like that. 👍

[HerbDailly]

"Actively disliked" :aok:

Our assistant manager was much better known for playing for the likes of Aberdeen and Bristol, and our manager played 4 times for Hearts................

I think you might have had too much of the herb already mate.Our assistant manager would probably argue that he's better known for scoring in, and winning, a cup final against us!
Look, I know it's unreasonable, but I can't help it. If I'd been won over by obvious quality it wouldn't be an issue, and I hope that's where it ends up.

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[blackpoolhibs]

I am not a big poster but keep a keen eye on the messageboards and I am starting to understand the worries and frustrations some fans are having.

I dont have anything against Johnson, Kensell or Ron and his family, I won't claim to know how things work on the inside at Hibs and can only base judgments from what we see at the stadium, on the park and in the press or by fan podcasts / forums.

Jack Ross lead us too a 3rd place finish for the first time in 17 years and having only done this 2 previous times in my lifetime is quite an achievement that no one should gloss over. Regardless of whether it was a shut out season because of covid, the results stood for themselves and his finished 3rd at a canter. At that point with the way the European outlook was shaping up we really did have a head start on Aberdeen and Hearts to gain financial riches than we could only gain through player sales previously. A general idea was that we probably needed 3 starters down the very spine of our team that would really enhance the playing group to get into the Europa groups or Conference league along with maybe 3 others to bolster the squad.

What we got was very different.

McGennis was signed and although the early signs were positive hasn't been since his first few weeks due to injury ( not his or Hibs fault )

Apart from the name above I can't think of a single player in the previous 2 windows (soon to be 3) who has enhanced the playing group that took us to 3rd spot. We can argue Marshall but he replaced a fine keeper in Marciano so its basically a like for like and we dabbled in the middle of that with Macey.

so we are now coming up for 3 transfer windows on from finishing 3rd in the league and are actually playing upgrades are 0 and infact we've got weaker due to a long term injury to Nisbet and Doidge who in fairness was exceptional in the ross season now looks like his best days are behind him.

I dont think the guys we have had at the club since finishing 3rd are rubbish, I felt they needed that extra bit of help to build on what they achieved, each manager hasn't been supported in that respect and funnily enough the results haven't shifted either.

I respect the bold approach and I champion it, signing young up and coming players with the hope of selling on for vast fees, its the way forward, in fact its a no brainer but its gone way too far. The first team has had money spent on it, its been enhanced in numbers but not in quality. We have signed around 12 players this season and only 2/3 are locked in to start. I can't recall many teams having a situation where they basically sign a whole new team but 75% of them are not playing.

Ross wasn't a bad manager, Maloney isn't and I dont believe Johnson is but we have strengthened the Key areas from 12 months ago, we have actually regressed and our direct rivals have all improved.

Worrying.

Good post apart from Marshall replaced an ok keeper in Macey, and is a huge upgrade on him.

[sean]

Good post apart from Marshall replaced an ok keeper in Macey, and is a huge upgrade on him.

Sorry i wasn’t clear in that bit, 100% agree. I was more meaning he was more a replacement for Marciano from the team that finished 3rd.

[Dmas]

I’ve not seen zoom call but why were these points you sent to him not addressed during the call? I’m assuming you had a good hour to put these thoughts to Ron during the call? What was behind decision to wait and send a pack?

There was a good amount of people on the call who all had questions to ask, I’m sure Ron invited the pack to be sent and the Longbangers guys ran a discussion based around that on a podcast

[hibsforeurope]

There was a good amount of people on the call who all had questions to ask, I’m sure Ron invited the pack to be sent and the Longbangers guys ran a discussion based around that on a podcast

I'm sure it wasn't even on the most recent interview, it think it was before the new manager was even appointed.

[RIP]

I’m liking some of the posts on this thread and I applaud the OP for starting it in spite of the usual trolls piling in with their relentless negativity and cheap one-liners.

What I’ve started to notice is how these usual suspects adopt a high moral position of being ‘the voice of the fans’ despite showing their hand on occasion that they don’t know the streets around the stadium or much about the match they were supposed to be at 😂

What we are seeing instead from our more loyal supporters is detailed analysis of transfers, putting forward structural proposals and showing a balanced view of the managers we’ve had versus the poor recruitment we’ve carried out.

This latter supporter is the type who were headhunted by the Let’s Work Together initiative back during the bad old days 10-8 years ago which lobbied for a CEO (Leeann) and DOF. The fans stepped forward when the club needed an injection of energy, ideas and unity.

Maybe it’s time to get the band back together?

[matty_f]

I’ve not seen zoom call but why were these points you sent to him not addressed during the call? I’m assuming you had a good hour to put these thoughts to Ron during the call? What was behind decision to wait and send a pack?

They were, and we took it further afterwards. He disagreed and asked us to follow up, iirc

[matty_f]

There was a good amount of people on the call who all had questions to ask, I’m sure Ron invited the pack to be sent and the Longbangers guys ran a discussion based around that on a podcast

:agree: Your memory is better than mine! :greengrin:

[matty_f]

I appreciate that, that takes a bit of balls when you’re being offered access like that. 👍

Thanks. :aok:

[matty_f]

I’m liking some of the posts on this thread and I applaud the OP for starting it in spite of the usual trolls piling in with their relentless negativity and cheap one-liners.

What I’ve started to notice is how these usual suspects adopt a high moral position of being ‘the voice of the fans’ despite showing their hand on occasion that they don’t know the streets around the stadium or much about the match they were supposed to be at 😂

What we are seeing instead from our more loyal supporters is detailed analysis of transfers, putting forward structural proposals and showing a balanced view of the managers we’ve had versus the poor recruitment we’ve carried out.

This latter supporter is the type who were headhunted by the Let’s Work Together initiative back during the bad old days 10-8 years ago which lobbied for a CEO (Leeann) and DOF. The fans stepped forward when the club needed an injection of energy, ideas and unity.

Maybe it’s time to get the band back together?

I have a feeling the offer would be declined, but I don't think it's a bad idea.

[donno]

Excuse me, just back from the pub, so a few pints in.
The team is *****, paper over how many cracks you want. We were lucky to get 2 points against Hearts and Rangers!
If it wasn't for their ***** finishing, we would have been long gone before added on time.
The club needs to take a step beck an look at priorities.
I dont care about the B team recruitment. I want results on the pitch, and this shower of ****, ain't providing it.
Proven players in this league, not someone from English League 2 who show potential in 2 years time.
Up to you Ian!

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[007]

Excuse me, just back from the pub, so a few pints in.
The team is *****, paper over how many cracks you want. We were lucky to get 2 points against Hearts and Rangers!
If it wasn't for their ***** finishing, we would have been long gone before added on time.
The club needs to take a step beck an look at priorities.
I dont care about the B team recruitment. I want results on the pitch, and this shower of ****, ain't providing it.
Proven players in this league, not someone from English League 2 who show potential in 2 years time.
Up to you Ian!

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Hearts were not better than us over the whole match, they did not deserve to win the game, nor did we so a draw was a fair result.

Neither did Rangers deserve 3 points. We were denied a penalty on when Tavernier pulled down Bushuri. Colak cheated to get a penalty. Arguably we should have been 1-0 up at half-time not 1-0 down. How the ****** is that lucky? Boyle scored early in the 2nd half which could have been to put us 2-0 up but because of Collum's incompetence it was only to draw level.

By all means be critical of the team, recruitment etc but to say we were lucky against Hearts and Rangers and suggest we didn't deserve anything from those game is BS.

[donno]

Hearts were not better than us over the whole match, they did not deserve to win the game, nor did we so a draw was a fair result.

Neither did Rangers deserve 3 points. We were denied a penalty on when Tavernier pulled down Bushuri. Colak cheated to get a penalty. Arguably we should have been 1-0 up at half-time not 1-0 down. How the ****** is that lucky? Boyle scored early in the 2nd half which could have been to put us 2-0 up but because of Collum's incompetence it was only to draw level.

By all means be critical of the team, recruitment etc but to say we were lucky against Hearts and Rangers and suggest we didn't deserve anything from those game is BS.Take the green tinted gasses off. Hearts should have been 3 up before we scored. Only **** finishing preserved us. They were on top for 80 minutes.
Yes, it was a penalty against the huns , but we just were playing catchup until the sending offs.
If any hibs supporter thinks that they were not lucky points, then you are more misguided than me.
FFS, we have got 5 lucky points, if not, we would be joint bottom.
It's time to realise we are bottom 6 at best, if not relegation material.
****, I never ever wanted to say that, but unless we get experienced professionals in that's where we will be.

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[007]

Take the green tinted gasses off. Hearts should have been 3 up before we scored. Only **** finishing preserved us. They were on top for 80 minutes.
Yes, it was a penalty against the huns , but we just were playing catchup until the sending offs.
If any hibs supporter thinks that they were not lucky points, then you are more misguided than me.
FFS, we have got 5 lucky points, if not, we would be joint bottom.
It's time to realise we are bottom 6 at best, if not relegation material.
****, I never ever wanted to say that, but unless we get experienced professionals in that's where we will be.

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So ***** finishing by them means they desevered to win?
What about the chances we missed in the 1st half? We could have been 1-0 up but no doubt you'll use that as an example of why we didn't deserve anything from the game but their poor finishing also means we didn't deserve anything. Think about what you are saying, if they'd been better then they'd have won. You've been taken in by Robbie Neilsen's (or other Jambo's) spin if you believe they were on top for 80 minutes.

As for playing catch up against Rangers, they had 2 shots on target, one of which was a cheated for penalty.

I've not got green tinted glasses on, I'm not saying we're great, I'm just saying we've deserved the points. You've obviously got an unbalanced view on things FFS you even think St Johnstone deserved to beat us. How were those points lucky?

[MWHIBBIES]

We are heading for relegation Dundee mark 2 unfortunately,out with Dundee united we have the worst squad in the premier leauge. I doubt Lee Johnson is happy with what he has at his disposal and listening to his interview might jump ship before Ron fires yet another manager?

I definitely don't think we have the 2nd worst squad. With everyone fit I'd say we're at worst the 5th best. Magennis, Nisbet, Marshall, Boyle, cadden and when he's focused Porteous are all very good players in this league. Far better than st Johnsone, United, Kilmarnock, livi etc have. It's about getting them fit and playing well together.

I really don't think we'll be relegated but there's every chance were bottom 6 again. Although 6 points from the next 2, which is very possible, would have us looking right up.

[DIXIHIBS]

I definitely don't think we have the 2nd worst squad. With everyone fit I'd say we're at worst the 5th best. Magennis, Nisbet, Marshall, Boyle, cadden and when he's focused Porteous are all very good players in this league. Far better than st Johnsone, United, Kilmarnock, livi etc have. It's about getting them fit and playing well together.

I really don't think we'll be relegated but there's every chance were bottom 6 again. Although 6 points from the next 2, which is very possible, would have us looking right up.

Yes would could get 6 from the next 2 games, unfortunately with this team we could also get zero.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yes would could get 6 from the next 2 games, unfortunately with this team we could also get zero.

With any team we could get zero. That's Hibs.

[Smartie]

I definitely don't think we have the 2nd worst squad. With everyone fit I'd say we're at worst the 5th best. Magennis, Nisbet, Marshall, Boyle, cadden and when he's focused Porteous are all very good players in this league. Far better than st Johnsone, United, Kilmarnock, livi etc have. It's about getting them fit and playing well together.

I really don't think we'll be relegated but there's every chance were bottom 6 again. Although 6 points from the next 2, which is very possible, would have us looking right up.

I wouldn’t argue that with everyone fit we’re much stronger, however…

What is the likelihood of Magennis ever being fit and contributing the way he did at the start of last season? I’d say slim to none. He’d be a massive asset to any team outwith the OF but I think we’ve got to the stage where he should effectively be written off.

Nisbet struggled badly with these very players around him in this formation under Ross. What makes you think that he’s going to come back from a very bad injury and do better under Johnson?


I accept that there are some useful pieces of the jigsaw - I just don’t think we can count on any of the long term injured coming back and improving us much. We need to recruit the same 3 players we needed to recruit a year ago and until we do we’ll carry on in the same bottom 3 form that we have done since Magennis got injured.

[Trinity Hibee]

4 league wins this calendar year says it all about the state of the current squad. That is absolutely nowhere near good enough and most of the same players are still starting every week.

[Hibees1973]

Thought there was a bit of light this morning when I saw a headline in the Metro 'Ron on his way'.

Turns out it is Ronaldo.

[007]

Thought there was a bit of light this morning when I saw a headline in the Metro 'Ron on his way'.

Turns out it is Ronaldo.

Incessant

[A Hi-Bee]

4 league wins this calendar year says it all about the state of the current squad. That is absolutely nowhere near good enough and most of the same players are still starting every week.

Same amount of wins that Jack Ross has, had all year and he got binned.
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