We have to get players in this week

[Real Emerald]

If we don’t get some quality in this week, a CB attacking midfielder and a proper CF then our season is over before it’s started.

Ridiculous we are in this position at this time given the length of time we’ve needed these areas sorted.

I have no faith in the recruitment happening but I really need them to prove me wrong.

The squad is shambolic.

[SHODAN]

We are clearly looking for a CF and MF and there have been noises re a centre back. I'd say we need one of all three, each one being a proven upgrade on what we have, to challenge for top six.

I think we'll see one of the above and maybe a loan.

[Nicho87]

I wouldn’t let Gordon sign any more it’s just more dead wood to clear when he ****s off

[Northernhibee]

It’s all good and well having football manager running multiple leagues but stats only show you some things. We’ve entertained the owners son yet again in hiring interesting players who are in no way good enough.

We need a proper head of recruitment.

[BT58]

Its ok, weve signed players for the future. 5 years time we will be still trying to get in top 6.

[Hibernia&Alba]

There are about a dozen I would love to move out!

[GreenCastle]

Its ok, weve signed players for the future. 5 years time we will be still trying to get in top 6.

I still don’t get this strategy - if the younger players are any good they will get sold very quickly.

Is the plan we make money and reinvest into 1st team?

But what if the 1st team is really bad and we can’t get decent players as they want to play Europe at Hearts or Aberdeen?

[Pretty Boy]

The manager called the club out post match last week. He's evidently as frustrated as the vast majority of fans are, or at least should be.

We were 'a couple of games away' from it clicking about 6 games ago. This squad doesn't have it. If we don't get the players the managers knows he needs in then we have thrown him under a bus just as we did with Ross last summer.

[ekhibee]

There are about a dozen I would love to move out!

Yep, there is an ever growing pile of dross, but unfortunately it looks like everybody else knows they're dross too, so we can't sell them on!

[Northernhibee]

We have to get in someone to get in players, not just the owners clueless son.

[Pretty Boy]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.

[Hibby70]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.

I'd pretty much agree with this.

[GreenCastle]

Cadden also isn’t a right back and plays better further forward.

[Real Emerald]

Cadden also isn’t a right back and plays better further forward.

Your right, at this rate we would have been as well keeping McGinn, at least he is a right back. I’ve no idea what planning goes into squad building but I’m guessing it’s not a lot.

[CMac1988]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.

Zap. Can't disagree with much if any of that and that's the issue. The squad is too big and too many of the players are nowhere near good enough for where we need to be. Ron keeps wants us playing at the top and qualifying for Europe every season but In it's current for this squad will never accomplish that. Recruitment has been dreadful and I'm not sure how you reverse those decisions... Poor recruitment coupled with bad decisions on contracts extensions have led us here. Don't even think those at the club are aware how bad we are.

[Nicho87]

My take on the current squad

Marshall - starter
Cadden - starter
Porteous - starter
Hanlon - squad/ can leave
Mcgregor - retired
Cabraja - starter
Stevenson - utility squad
Bushiri - squad
Miller - squad

JDH - can leave
Newell - can leave
Campbell - squad / can leave
Tavares - squad
Henderson - can leave
McGeady - squad based on age
Kenneh - squad

Doidge - can leave
Melkerson - squad / start
Youan - starter as a 9
Bojang - squad / can leave if not good enough
Boyle - might be thinking Saudi Arabia wasn’t that far away after all

[Chorley Hibee]

We'll be served up the same last day loan ***** we get every year.

Club has learnt **** all over the summer and here we are reaping the rewards of that neglect once again.

Where do you even begin with this *****!

A midfield still based around Newell, JDH and Campbell. Still calling on Hanlon, Stevenson, McGregor as players. A bunch of untried youngsters with no/little first team experience. Some, like Miller and Tavares, who don't even look capable of playing football, never mind improving us.

Still to see anything that suggests the outlay on Melkersen was worth it either. A complete passenger week after week.

Doidge shouldn't pull on a Jersey again.

Appreciate the rant may seem a bit erratic, but I'm just scunnered with the whole club.

[Wheat Hound]

Would rather Ian Gordon didn't sign anyone else for us. So much wasted money already.

[LunasBoots]

A midfielder with a bit of pace/creativity going forward wouldnt go a miss.

[makaveli1875]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.

So basically we’re 8 starters short of a team . Probably make 2 signings max , neither will be ready for the 1st team

[Nicho87]

We'll be served up the same last day loan ***** we get every year.

Club has learnt **** all over the summer and here we are reaping the rewards of that neglect once again.

Where do you even begin with this *****!

A midfield still based around Newell, JDH and Campbell. Still calling on Hanlon, Stevenson, McGregor as players. A bunch of untried youngsters with no/little first team experience. Some, like Miller and Tavares, who don't even look capable of playing football, never mind improving us.

Still to see anything that suggests the outlay on Melkersen was worth it either. A complete passenger week after week.

Doidge shouldn't pull on a Jersey again.

Appreciate the rant may seem a bit erratic, but I'm just scunnered with the whole club.

agree and we will get fed we blew the budget on Boyle etc

Cue the 19 year old wonder kid centre half from some guff down the road comes on loan on deadline day

[King conrad]

agree and we will get fed we blew the budget on Boyle etc

Cue the 19 year old wonder kid centre half from some guff down the road comes on loan on deadline day


We seemingly have loads of wonderkids in this development squad anyway. The reality is they are decent players for their age but miles away from what we need but we have spent alot of money on some of them when it was obvious the 1st team needed huge investment.
If these players were as good as they were made out to be then the cream of Europe would be after them.
Lee Johnson needs proper backing to get the players he wants not some overatted wonderkid from England and beyond.

[Ray Donovan]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.

As a few have said this is pretty much spot on.

If we don't get any more players in it will be so depressing.

[LewysGot2]

On the radio driving home LJ said he wants a new CB now Rocky is out.
We need more than that based on today alone.

St Mirren targeted Cabraja and succeeded. They targeted JDH and succeeded. They exploited the casual and unfocused Porteous (what the hell is he on at the moment?)
They had a spine from Carson all the way through to Main, who played well. Gallagher looks a smart signing.
They have a clear identity as a team - they're a clone of Robinsons version of Motherwell. We don't.

They'll finish above us if today is anything to go by. They're a top 6 potential finish. We aint

[cabbageandribs1875]

On the radio driving home LJ said he wants a new CB now Rocky is out.
We need more than that based on today alone.

St Mirren targeted Cabraja and succeeded. They targeted JDH and succeeded. They exploited the casual and unfocused Porteous (what the hell is he on at the moment?)
They had a spine from Carson all the way through to Main, who played well. Gallagher looks a smart signing.
They have a clear identity as a team - they're a clone of Robinsons version of Motherwell. We don't.

They'll finish above us if today is anything to go by. They're a top 6 potential finish. We aint


their manager said he brought on Kiltie after 75 mins to try stop JDH causing them problems

[Callum_62]

On the radio driving home LJ said he wants a new CB now Rocky is out.
We need more than that based on today alone.

St Mirren targeted Cabraja and succeeded. They targeted JDH and succeeded. They exploited the casual and unfocused Porteous (what the hell is he on at the moment?)
They had a spine from Carson all the way through to Main, who played well. Gallagher looks a smart signing.
They have a clear identity as a team - they're a clone of Robinsons version of Motherwell. We don't.

They'll finish above us if today is anything to go by. They're a top 6 potential finish. We aint

Did they have a lot of attacking success against Cabraja?

The boy nipped the ball just ahead of him for the build up atvteh goal but what else was a success?

I thought Cabraja was poor today but that was more on the ball

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[Sir David Gray]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.

Pretty much agree with this assessment.

Today's absentees;

Magennis - Fitness issues/potentially a starter if fit
Nisbet - Couple of months away/starter
Mitchell - Fitness issues/squad player
Dabrowski - Backup keeper
Tait - Squad player
Bushiri - Starter at the moment when fit but not great
McGeady - Probably a starter but hasn't started too well

So we have starters of;

Marshall
Cadden
Porteous
Cabraja
Boyle
Youan
Magennis
Nisbet
Bushiri
McGeady

10 players out of a squad of 28 who would be deemed as starters and some of them I'm being quite generous about.

Also 4 of those 10 are currently injured and won't be playing again anytime soon so we currently have 6 players in our entire squad who are good enough to start games for us.

Very grim.

[Hibees1973]

I honestly feel this recruitment team should not spend any more money on players. I no longer trust them.

Hopefully we have enough to stay out of the bottom two, but I have my doubts.

These idiots have signed inexperienced and unproven players from low levels. Players with poor injury records and handed out 4 year contracts to, at best, very average players we already have.

I expect us to plod along in the bottom 3 or 4 all season, which will crank up the pressure on Ron and his son.

They could be gone by this time next year.

Fingers crossed.

[One Day Soon]

Where are all the confident and slightly condescending posters from way back at the start of this window who were telling us that there were months and weeks of the window to go in which to sign the experienced players? I'm trying to remember what the excuses were back then - a mixture I think of players being too expensive early in the window and the club having its eye on the right players so we shouldn't be rushing to make signings. Utter bollocks.

We started off speculatively and it's largely carried on that way. We needed to sign a captain, a CB, a CM and a striker - and all of them needed to be first team starters in terms of both quality and experience. We've done precisely none of that and we've tried to address the captain issue with the keeper rather than an outfield player. LJ isn't getting better out of the players we already had and the ones who have come in aren't making the difference.

All of this, all of it, reeks of people who either don't know what they're doing (or just plain won't listen) making critical decisions. The result is that we are abjectly out of one of the two competitions we had a chance of winning (and that at the first and embarrassingly low hurdle), we've dropped 10 points in 5 games which is relegation play-off standard and we are playing the same turgid, low impact, one-speed football we were last year.

This feels like living a Hibernian version of watching that 'Sunderland 'Til I Die' documentary. Deeply average players, powerless management and feckless admin individuals spectacularly out of their depth while living the high life mimicking what they think serious people do at serious football clubs. This all seems gutless, heartless and, frankly, Hibsless.

Very, very, very cheesed off.

[GreenCastle]

Where are all the confident and slightly condescending posters from way back at the start of this window who were telling us that there were months and weeks of the window to go in which to sign the experienced players? I'm trying to remember what the excuses were back then - a mixture I think of players being too expensive early in the window and the club having its eye on the right players so we shouldn't be rushing to make signings. Utter bollocks.

We started off speculatively and it's largely carried on that way. We needed to sign a captain, a CB, a CM and a striker - and all of them needed to be first team starters in terms of both quality and experience. We've done precisely none of that and we've tried to address the captain issue with the keeper rather than an outfield player. LJ isn't getting better out of the players we already had and the ones who have come in aren't making the difference.

All of this, all of it, reeks of people who either don't know what they're doing (or just plain won't listen) making critical decisions. The result is that we are abjectly out of one of the two competitions we had a chance of winning (and that at the first and embarrassingly low hurdle), we've dropped 10 points in 5 games which is relegation play-off standard and we are playing the same turgid, low impact, one-speed football we were last year.

This feels like living a Hibernian version of watching that 'Sunderland 'Til I Die' documentary. Deeply average players, powerless management and feckless admin individuals spectacularly out of their depth while living the high life mimicking what they think serious people do at serious football clubs. This all seems gutless, heartless and, frankly, Hibsless.

Very, very, very cheesed off.

You aren’t alone.

It’s simply unacceptable and the fans are being taken as mugs.

They have a few days to get what we needed otherwise the pressure will really be on and fans will start to vent further. It’s obvious what’s needed so unacceptable they can’t address it with the resources we have.

[Zambernardi1875]

The manager called the club out post match last week. He's evidently as frustrated as the vast majority of fans are, or at least should be.

We were 'a couple of games away' from it clicking about 6 games ago. This squad doesn't have it. If we don't get the players the managers knows he needs in then we have thrown him under a bus just as we did with Ross last summer.

And if he had balls and really wanted to point out he’s not happy with recruitment they’re will be 5/6 changes next week, if it’s the same team he’s just as responsible

[Real Emerald]

And if he had balls and really wanted to point out he’s not happy with recruitment they’re will be 5/6 changes next week, if it’s the same team he’s just as responsible

There should be but I don’t think we have 5 or 6 players who are capable of playing at this level sitting in reserve. Its a testimony to the negligent way our recruitment has been operating. We’ve signed a whole load of players that aren’t good enough for this league with the likes of Mueller, Jasper and I’m not holding my breath on Jair, Bojang, Melkerson or Henderson either. A load of players we’ve signed have been completely untried at any decent level.

[Forza Fred]

Cadden also isn’t a right back and plays better further forward.

I would have a right flank of Miller, Cadden and Boyle.

Miller IS a good player…I’ve seen a lot of him, and I think he demonstrated preseason what he’s got in his locker, as well as against Norwich, where I thought he went close to MOM.

Against Rangers when he got on I thought he was ok too.

If it’s a choice just for right back, then Cadden is rightly keeping him out, but I reckon we’d gain by having both.

Lewis has not had many minutes in the league, and with the team struggling at the moment, seems to me more worried about making a mistake than playing in the expansive role he is capable of.

Just needs that bit of confidence.

[Alfred E Newman]

The odds of signing anyone at this late stage that would make a dramatic difference to this team is slim. Given the standard brought in over the summer, I wouldn’t have much confidence in the present regime plucking any last minute gems out of the hat.

[mcfly]

For the third season in a row We have NO spine to the team.

Who authorised new contracts for hanlon, doidge, Newall.

Sorry but they aren’t good enough

As a club we are a joke, when st mirren fans are slagging your players you know you are rubbish.

Owner, CEO and recruitment staff need to hang heads as fans Yet again are fed up and it’s not even September

This lot will get us relegated

Manager needs to be allowed to get his own players in or I fear he will walk away.

[thebausburst]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.

Seen enough of Tavares to know he is utter dug meat

[Alfred E Newman]

For the third season in a row We have NO spine to the team.

Who authorised new contracts for hanlon, doidge, Newall.

Sorry but they aren’t good enough

As a club we are a joke, when st mirren fans are slagging your players you know you are rubbish.

Owner, CEO and recruitment staff need to hang heads as fans Yet again are fed up and it’s not even September

This lot will get us relegated

Manager needs to be allowed to get his own players in or I fear he will walk away.

When your manager is agreeing with them you are definitely rubbish.

[HendoDelivered]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.

Bang on the money PB. Depressing stuff.

[Lago]

Can't see any more coming in and I get the impression that LJ is a proud man who would walk away if he felt his reputation was suffering.

[Spike Mandela]

Have we put all our financial eggs in the Boyle basket?

[Hibees1973]

Have we put all our financial eggs in the Boyle basket?

No.

We signed nearly 10 sh*te players before Boyle was brought back.

Loads of money has been wasted on unproven/unfit/inexperienced players. The recruitment guys have also been unable to move on the players who they gave extended contracts to.

[Rob]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.
Can't really argue with any of that

[Callum_62]

Seen enough of Tavares to know he is utter dug meatHow much have you seen of him?



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[Greenbeard]

Have we put all our financial eggs in the Boyle basket?

If so, we are scrambled.

[Onion]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.

Hard to argue with that. Went to my first game this season at St M expecting something brighter and different to the last 18 months but it was Groundhog Day. Different players, same inept rubbish. There is a hole the size of Edin Castle where a midfield should be. The trio of Newall, Campbell and JDH will get another manager sacked before Christmas.

Incompetence at the top has done this.

[Torto7]

The manager called the club out post match last week. He's evidently as frustrated as the vast majority of fans are, or at least should be.

We were 'a couple of games away' from it clicking about 6 games ago. This squad doesn't have it. If we don't get the players the managers knows he needs in then we have thrown him under a bus just as we did with Ross last summer.

So why did he spend money on his assistants laddie then or Tavares-a player he's been tracking for a while according to him? He loved the Kenneh signing as well. None of these are the pantomime villian Ian Gordon's signings. McGeady and Boyle aren't inexperienced nor cheap.

If we being in more then some have to leave I don't blame the club for sticking to that.

[xqnq1875]

Can’t see it happening unfortunately, it appears the McKirdy deal is off now and Lj said it will be a struggle to bring in any players that aren’t loans, yet another disaster by Ron and the board


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[JohnM1875]

Can’t see it happening unfortunately, it appears the McKirdy deal is off now and Lj said it will be a struggle to bring in any players that aren’t loans, yet another disaster by Ron and the board


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Where you hearing the McKirdy deal is off? Be disappointed if that's true, we desperately need a goal scorer in this team.

[jeffers]

Have we put all our financial eggs in the Boyle basket?

I believe we have along with ridiculous salaries for some of the new signings, then add in our inability to move others on.

[Billy Whizz]

Can’t see it happening unfortunately, it appears the McKirdy deal is off now and Lj said it will be a struggle to bring in any players that aren’t loans, yet another disaster by Ron and the board


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Think he’s managing our expectations

[LaMotta]

Marshall - solid signing
Cadden - good player, starter
Hanlon - good servant, squad player
Porteous - struggling for form but starter
Cabraja - above average, starter
Doyle Hayes - proven not good enough
Newell - proven not good enough
Campbell - squad player
Boyle - best player, starter
Youan - good player, not a goalscorer
Doidge - finished, not good enough

Miller -not ready
Kenneh - decent player, squad player
Tavares - not ready
Schofield - signed as cover
Bojang - raw, won't make it
Henderson - not ready, squad player
Melkerson - not ready, squad player
Stevenson - solid option ,squad player
McGregor - semi retired development player

That was out team today and that's my brief assesment of each. That's after a window in which we signed 12 players. We really better hope Magennis and Nisbet come back absolutely flying and we sign a couple of real upgrades this week or it's going to be a long old season.

Agree with most of that, but would say:

Cabraja - jury still out
Doyle Hayes - could still be good enough
Kenneh - at best not ready, though possibly not good enough.

[Mrimbetween]

How many players can be signed,, there has to be a cut off point

Most we have brought in are *****

Its like Mad Vlad all over again but its us

[Leith Green]

Where you hearing the McKirdy deal is off? Be disappointed if that's true, we desperately need a goal scorer in this team.

Players like this and their agent’s will use the likes of hibs interest to spark interest amongst other clubs, and help the player get a better salary when they move ..Wouldn’t surprise me if this was playing out here

[JohnM1875]

Players like this and their agent’s will use the likes of hibs interest to spark interest amongst other clubs, and help the player get a better salary when they move ..Wouldn’t surprise me if this was playing out here

I totally get stuff like that happens, but McKirdy is currently playing for Swindon in League Two. We/SPFL would be a big step up in standard, genuinely think he'd struggle to get a better offer than us right now. But you could well be right, who knows. Especially this late into a transfer window.

[LunasBoots]

Get the impression LJ has been let down, which isn't surprising

[SteveHFC]

Get the impression LJ has been let down, which isn't surprising

Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up walking.

[zitelli62]

If LJ walks then we have bigger problems than we all realise as I'm sure he would have had guarantees about signing players maybe even players he wanted.

[Callum_62]

Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up walking.Why?

He literally just said he's in it for the long haul

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[JohnM1875]

Why?

He literally just said he's in it for the long haul

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Dundee Utd owners just said they back Jack Ross a week or so ago...

[Not In The Know]

The manager called the club out post match last week. He's evidently as frustrated as the vast majority of fans are, or at least should be.

We were 'a couple of games away' from it clicking about 6 games ago. This squad doesn't have it. If we don't get the players the managers knows he needs in then we have thrown him under a bus just as we did with Ross last summer.

I missed what LJ said. What did he actually say? 👍

[JohnM1875]

I missed what LJ said. What did he actually say? 👍

He was talking about teams that have a stronger starting XI than us;

"Reading, Aldershot, Bracknell. Didcot, Yateley. You know. Winnersh. Taplow"

[Not In The Know]

The manager called the club out post match last week. He's evidently as frustrated as the vast majority of fans are, or at least should be.

We were 'a couple of games away' from it clicking about 6 games ago. This squad doesn't have it. If we don't get the players the managers knows he needs in then we have thrown him under a bus just as we did with Ross last summer.

I missed what LJ said. What did he actually say? 👍

[LewysGot2]

I just wish we had a sense of the type of player we are targeting for the first team. It seems very future orientated but even that seems a bit hit or miss.

Under Dempster and Craig there was a very clear strategy of bringing in Scottish players who were young but had a decent pedigree. They’d come through the national squads or they were the best prospects at their previous club. There was a real identity.

I think recruitment has recently been less consistent and generally hit or miss. It hasn’t been helped by managerial churn.

Positives are Marshall, Cadden, Boyle…all proven players and all with experience in Scotland
Possible positives are Cabraja (he’s been a bit mixed to date), McGeady if he’s ever fit and Youan but he needs to find an end product soon, Henderson if he beefs up
Big doubts over Miller (he’s pretty crude technically) Bojang (ditto Miller), Jair (lightweight) Melkerson (not ready yet?) and Hauge (already loaned out)

The positives fit the former model, the big doubts fit an international scatter gun approach to recruitment that is a concern

[Key West]

At this stage no teams will be parting with the quality of player that we need and anyhow we wouldn't pay the transfer fee, LJ will have to work hard at getting the best out of the current group, he has some task doing that.

[Gorgiehibee]

Out our current squad only Marshall, Cadden, Cabraja and Boyle should start. Porto is a liability and seems to have more bad games than good. To me it looks like he's done at hibs and just going through the motions until he leaves. Hanlon and Stevenson are regressing as you would expect with age so while they might be good enough as back up I would look to move them on and maybe bring in some young guys like Jamie Hamilton.we definitely need 2-3 CM Newell and JDH aren't good enough. Up front Bojang is horse**** melkerson is meh Youan looks a player and looks good Up the wing. We've basically got no balance to this team and are missing 6-7 quality players minimum if we want to go for 3rd. Its gonna be a long season.

[Callum_62]

Dundee Utd owners just said they back Jack Ross a week or so ago...Yep but that isn't an individual talking about there commitment to there own job

Its totally different

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[Trinity Hibee]

Not a huge fan of loans but we have to be looking at that to get us through this season. Maybe one from an EPL side.

Getting a player who will improve us on a permanent deal at this point will be very difficult I think. A loan would hopefully improve us in short term and allow us to start looking for players to pick up in next couple of windows.

[McGruber]

Not a huge fan of loans but we have to be looking at that to get us through this season. Maybe one from an EPL side.

Getting a player who will improve us on a permanent deal at this point will be very difficult I think. A loan would hopefully improve us in short term and allow us to start looking for players to pick up in next couple of windows.

Loans would take us to the next window but also cover until Nisbet and Rocky are back (hesitate to say Magennis even if he is exactly the type required & also one other centre back required).

[BlackSheep]

Amazing how quickly the tide turns on here... a few weeks ago folk were singing the praises of the new approach to signings, broadening the horizons of our scouting etc...

...Few poor results and we are wishing for the old approach again.

Folk need to learn some patience.

[Libby Hibby]

Amazing how quickly the tide turns on here... a few weeks ago folk were singing the praises of the new approach to signings, broadening the horizons of our scouting etc...

...Few poor results and we are wishing for the old approach again.

Folk need to learn some patience.

100% playing the same rubbish season will get you the same rubbish results and performances like last season.

Play the new guys, play guys like Tait and Delfeirre (SP) and drop the players that have not shown it in the last few seasons - Newell, Doidge, JDH etc

[The Modfather]

Amazing how quickly the tide turns on here... a few weeks ago folk were singing the praises of the new approach to signings, broadening the horizons of our scouting etc...

...Few poor results and we are wishing for the old approach again.

Folk need to learn some patience.

How many more windows do we have to be patient for before we make any real inroads into the spine of the team? We’re 5 games into the season, out the league cup already, and just started our last game with a spine of Hanlon, Newell, JDH, Campbell & Doidge. With our only centreback option on the bench McGregor. Patience isn’t the problem.

[Trinity Hibee]

Amazing how quickly the tide turns on here... a few weeks ago folk were singing the praises of the new approach to signings, broadening the horizons of our scouting etc...

...Few poor results and we are wishing for the old approach again.

Folk need to learn some patience.

There is no patience in football nowadays, rightly or wrongly that’s the way it is.

I think it’s the fact many of the new signings are not starting games suggests they aren’t up to scratch. If they can’t dislodge players who have been underperforming for the past year it isn’t a good sign. Even when they come off the bench they aren’t making a difference in the main.

[neil7908]

Amazing how quickly the tide turns on here... a few weeks ago folk were singing the praises of the new approach to signings, broadening the horizons of our scouting etc...

...Few poor results and we are wishing for the old approach again.

Folk need to learn some patience.

But it's not the new signings that are playing. It's been pointed out on numerous threads that we are almost running exactly the same first 11 from last season.

It's seen a bit of stick at the new players but most is for Newell, Doidge, Hanlon etc. Guys who's limitations we know as fans and yet the club still hasn't clued onto.

I honestly can't understand how any Hibs fan could think this current squad just needs time. We seem to be constantly wanting more time whilst our direct competitors Hearts and Aberdeen move further ahead of us.

Oh and I would maybe be a bit more patient if we actually looked like scoring some goals. Third manager in a row now where the football has been an absolute snooze fest.

I was not expecting us to click immediately but I see very little that makes me think things will just fall into place and we'll start winning games.

[A Hi-Bee]

Not in my book, we need some good experienced players in now, the only way we can get them is with loans. it will take another 2 months or so for the injured players to get to match fitness and that is after they get back to the first team squad, so could even be longer than Xmas.
The numpties we are going with week after week must be dropped, this side is going nowhere. The eternal Hibs supporter in me says I hope the manager can get a better tune out of what he has, but the realist in me says he will not, and he needs to get some loan players in to help us over the next 6 months.

:flag::flag::flag:

[JimBHibees]

But it's not the new signings that are playing. It's been pointed out on numerous threads that we are almost running exactly the same first 11 from last season.

It's seen a bit of stick at the new players but most is for Newell, Doidge, Hanlon etc. Guys who's limitations we know as fans and yet the club still hasn't clued onto.

I honestly can't understand how any Hibs fan could think this current squad just needs time. We seem to be constantly wanting more time whilst our direct competitors Hearts and Aberdeen move further ahead of us.

Oh and I would maybe be a bit more patient if we actually looked like scoring some goals. Third manager in a row now where the football has been an absolute snooze fest.

I was not expecting us to click immediately but I see very little that makes me think things will just fall into place and we'll start winning games.

Some of the new players definitely need time we do however need some quality additions now and also probably as importantly some players to leave unfortunately the key ones we want to leave are on decent long contracts. A difficult position for the club and manager however hope a few solutions sorted in the next few days.

[jeffers]

Some of the new players definitely need time we do however need some quality additions now and also probably as importantly some players to leave unfortunately the key ones we want to leave are on decent long contracts. A difficult position for the club and manager however hope a few solutions sorted in the next few days.

The bit in bold I wonder about. Probably if you ask a lot of fans who that would be we would bring up names like Newell, JDH, Campbell and Doidge. However other than Doidge being linked to other clubs there is nothing to suggest any of the others aren’t part of the manager’s plans, in fact they are getting picked every week. I get that he doesn’t have lots of options but I’d have thought if a player wasn’t wanted he wouldn’t be starting every game. I suppose Mitchell could be another, but who is going to sign an injured player.

[Paulie Walnuts]

But it's not the new signings that are playing. It's been pointed out on numerous threads that we are almost running exactly the same first 11 from last season.

It's seen a bit of stick at the new players but most is for Newell, Doidge, Hanlon etc. Guys who's limitations we know as fans and yet the club still hasn't clued onto.

I honestly can't understand how any Hibs fan could think this current squad just needs time. We seem to be constantly wanting more time whilst our direct competitors Hearts and Aberdeen move further ahead of us.

Oh and I would maybe be a bit more patient if we actually looked like scoring some goals. Third manager in a row now where the football has been an absolute snooze fest.

I was not expecting us to click immediately but I see very little that makes me think things will just fall into place and we'll start winning games.

Absolutely.

The new signings might well need time, but that means playing the same dross that played last season which will see us getting the same results.

This team just now is bottom 6 cannon fodder. We’ve needed players down the spine of our team all summer but we’ve *****ed masses of money on everything we could think of other than those players from development players, speculative punts to hospitality suites and fancy advertising boards. Now we’re being told we don’t have the money to sign the players we need.

We are being absolutely woefully mismanaged.

[Dmas]

The bit in bold I wonder about. Probably if you ask a lot of fans who that would be we would bring up names like Newell, JDH, Campbell and Doidge. However other than Doidge being linked to other clubs there is nothing to suggest any of the others aren’t part of the manager’s plans, in fact they are getting picked every week. I get that he doesn’t have lots of options but I’d have thought if a player wasn’t wanted he wouldn’t be starting every game. I suppose Mitchell could be another, but who is going to sign an injured player.

This is the major issue for Johnson he needs to work with what he has whilst trying to make major changes, we can’t just replace everyone it doesn’t work like that, he needs to work with players he might not necessarily think are good enough or actually want around but he can’t go telling them this so the toys are out the pram incase he’s lumbered with them come 1st Sept.
That’s where we are going to need to be patient just because some players are being picked it doesn’t necessarily mean the manager is as daft as the last

[Dmas]

Absolutely.

The new signings might well need time, but that means playing the same dross that played last season which will see us getting the same results.

This team just now is bottom 6 cannon fodder. We’ve needed players down the spine of our team all summer but we’ve *****ed masses of money on everything we could think of other than those players from development players, speculative punts to hospitality suites and fancy advertising boards. Now we’re being told we don’t have the money to sign the players we need.

We are being absolutely woefully mismanaged.

It’s not woeful mismanagement, both hearts and aberdeen where taking in loads more than we where through hospitality and advertising when RG came in, we as a fan base are demanding we at the very least compete with both these teams so it’s pretty important we close the financial gap as best and as quickly as we can.
The development team is something different to address the lack of young players making it at first team level, we’ve all moaned and groaned at the costs of HTC in comparison to players making the grade so again changes where needed, I’m also of the opinion the dev squad has no effect on 1st budgets I can’t see LJ agreeing to his budget supplementing players he may never get the benefit of but that’s just my opinion on it.

[Edina Street]

Every morning I check for new signings. Very disappointed to wake up this morning and read that Lee Johnson has no major plans to make anymore signings and instead is focusing on getting the injured players back to full fitness.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/lee-johnson-outlines-quiet-hibs-24874572

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s not woeful mismanagement, both hearts and aberdeen where taking in loads more than we where through hospitality and advertising when RG came in, we as a fan base are demanding we at the very least compete with both these teams so it’s pretty important we close the financial gap as best and as quickly as we can.
The development team is something different to address the lack of young players making it at first team level, we’ve all moaned and groaned at the costs of HTC in comparison to players making the grade so again changes where needed, I’m also of the opinion the dev squad has no effect on 1st budgets I can’t see LJ agreeing to his budget supplementing players he may never get the benefit of but that’s just my opinion on it.

And whilst that’s all true, it’s all been done at the expense of our first team which is yet again nowhere near good enough with the same areas of the team being neglected just as they have done for numerous windows now.

That’s woeful mismanagement imo.

[Dmas]

And whilst that’s all true, it’s all been done at the expense of our first team which is yet again nowhere near good enough.

That’s woeful mismanagement imo.

Forward planning isn’t woeful mismanagement, the first team budget has been much bigger since RG came in than at least the last 20yrs previous it’s not like he’s scrimping on first team and piling cash into other places, there’s an argument to the standard of player no getting away from it but we’ve seen a good amount of funding and the changes in hospitality etc are a positive for future budgets surely

[SHODAN]

After Livingston: "2 or 3 players coming in soon, defo. Just away to confirm one"
After Rangers: "Should hopefully be getting a couple in, one at least"
After St Mirren: "Nah lol"

What is happening?

[Dmas]

After Livingston: "2 or 3 players coming in soon, defo. Just away to confirm one"
After Rangers: "Should hopefully be getting a couple in, one at least"
After St Mirren: "Nah lol"

What is happening?


Been a lot of that this year, after the whole mcrorie thing you’d have hoped lessons would have been learnt to stay tight lipped but even as far back as Portugal there’s been a lot of smoke been blown up the erchie on signings it’s no helping the mood really

[donno]

IG needs to take the Hearts and Aberdeen recruitment teams out. Get them drunk, and steal their black books[emoji23]
Seriously, Hearts, brought in a couple of out of contract players after the window had shut, who made a big difference to their 3rd place finish.
I'm sure there's an app that will show out of contract players.
Sod getting players for the future. Just get some proven experienced players in to get some points on the board!

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[Trinity Hibee]

IG needs to take the Hearts and Aberdeen recruitment teams out. Get them drunk, and steal their black books[emoji23]
Seriously, Hearts, brought in a couple of out of contract players after the window had shut, who made a big difference to their 3rd place finish.
I'm sure there's an app that will show out of contract players.
Sod getting players for the future. Just get some proven experienced players in to get some points on the board!

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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/vertragslosespieler

[hibsbollah]

IG needs to take the Hearts and Aberdeen recruitment teams out. Get them drunk, and steal their black books[emoji23]
Seriously, Hearts, brought in a couple of out of contract players after the window had shut, who made a big difference to their 3rd place finish.
I'm sure there's an app that will show out of contract players.
Sod getting players for the future. Just get some proven experienced players in to get some points on the board!

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It doesn’t matter if we know who the targets are, they can offer them European football and more money than we can. That’s the uncomfortable truth.

[jeffers]

IG needs to take the Hearts and Aberdeen recruitment teams out. Get them drunk, and steal their black books[emoji23]
Seriously, Hearts, brought in a couple of out of contract players after the window had shut, who made a big difference to their 3rd place finish.
I'm sure there's an app that will show out of contract players.
Sod getting players for the future. Just get some proven experienced players in to get some points on the board!

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Never mind Hearts or Aberdeen, St Mirren brought in 13 players this summer and looked comfortably better than us at the weekend.

[GreenCastle]

Kyle Rowles was the exact centre back we needed to come in but unfortunately went to Hearts. No idea if we were interested but would have fitted in well to what we need.

I’ve got a feeling we will add a CB on loan and a midfielder plus striker - but the question is..will they be young and inexperienced or will they be ready to go 1st team starters. Maybe just getting hopes up and will only add a CB on loan.

[Steve20]

The current team is nowhere near good enough to challenge for Europe. Miles away from it. And that's with bringing in 12 players already. That's a disgrace. Whoever is involved in the recruitment process should be nowhere near any future ones. That many signings and the team is rubbish and the positions that desperately needed sorted are ignored.

So, yes we need better players in this week. Just don't hold your breath on the club doing so. Maybe 1 or 2 for 'the future' and a loan from some Championship English side. That'll be it.

[SHODAN]

It doesn’t matter if we know who the targets are, they can offer them European football and more money than we can. That’s the uncomfortable truth.

And yet when we had European football and loads of transfer/ST money they still could outbid us. There's always an excuse.

[Dmas]

And yet when we had European football and loads of transfer/ST money they still could outbid us. There's always an excuse.

They’ve huge backing from FoH it’s only taken this long because there own recruitment process was a ****show for years

[easty]

And yet when we had European football and loads of transfer/ST money they still could outbid us. There's always an excuse.

Then having more money than us is a decent excuse, to be fair.

[matty_f]

Then having more money than us is a decent excuse, to be fair.

It’s not even like it’s a couple of hundred grand here and there either, we’re looking at millions.

[sleeping giant]

I just can't see us making a significant signing this week.
I hope I'm wrong but think it will be a scramble for a loan or 2.

[Spike Mandela]

They’ve huge backing from FoH it’s only taken this long because there own recruitment process was a ****show for years

Remember all their FoH pledges meant essentailly they were paying a good two £200-300 more than us a season to watch bottom six, relegation and pretty crap play for years.

Now, unless you are living in a bubble, you know there is a cost of living crisis coming down the pipe and that the extra money they are forking out will be better served elsewhere for a lot of people.

Sure Hearts had a good season last year and got lucky with the coefficient for finishing third this year but they aren’t miles ahead of us. We just need to get our act together on the pitch.

[Gerard]

It’s not even like it’s a couple of hundred grand here and there either, we’re looking at millions.

The Hearts foundation is able to give their football club at least a million pounds each year .They say they have pledged over 14 million pounds and have 8,000 active members giving to their club. This level of money will take Hearts into a place where they will be favourites to get European football and the money that attratcs and to be favourites to finish 3rd in the SPL.

We need to try and get our fans to give money to our club in a way that is acceptable to the people who are giving that money. So we can try and get as good if not bbetter players than Hearts. HSL is a good vehicle to make that happen IMO.

[jeffers]

Remember all their FoH pledges meant essentailly they were paying a good two £200-300 more than us a season to watch bottom six, relegation and pretty crap play for years.

Now, unless you are living in a bubble, you know there is a cost of living crisis coming down the pipe and that the extra money they are forking out will be better served elsewhere for a lot of people.

Sure Hearts had a good season last year and got lucky with the coefficient for finishing third this year but they aren’t miles ahead of us. We just need to get our act together on the pitch.

You are not including the ongoing millions from James Anderson that he has guaranteed for a few more years at least.

[matty_f]

You are not including the ongoing millions from James Anderson that he has guaranteed for a few more years at least.

That’s hugely significant :agree:

[Trinity Hibee]

You are not including the ongoing millions from James Anderson that he has guaranteed for a few more years at least.

The amount of money from James Anderson and FoH they have wasted must be huge. Other than getting Europe this season they have achieved nothing of note but have spent way more than any other club outside the OF.

[jeffers]

The Hearts foundation is able to give their football club at least a million pounds each year .They say they have pledged over 14 million pounds and have 8,000 active members giving to their club. This level of money will take Hearts into a place where they will be favourites to get European football and the money that attratcs and to be favourites to finish 3rd in the SPL.

We need to try and get our fans to give money to our club in a way that is acceptable to the people who are giving that money. So we can try and get as good if not bbetter players than Hearts. HSL is a good vehicle to make that happen IMO.

All the money in the world is no use though if you are wasting it on fees and wages for players who clearly aren’t good enough. Hearts were doing that for long enough, now it seems we are. We are probably paying more in fees and wages than we ever have, the trouble is it’s being wasted.

[Real Emerald]

Remember all their FoH pledges meant essentailly they were paying a good two £200-300 more than us a season to watch bottom six, relegation and pretty crap play for years.

Now, unless you are living in a bubble, you know there is a cost of living crisis coming down the pipe and that the extra money they are forking out will be better served elsewhere for a lot of people.

Sure Hearts had a good season last year and got lucky with the coefficient for finishing third this year but they aren’t miles ahead of us. We just need to get our act together on the pitch.

Getting our act together on the park is the whole point that all of us want but the club seem incapable of doing. If we don’t fix our shortcomings before the window closes (which I can’t see happening) we will be lucky to be top six, nowhere near Europe and another season and another chance to make some money and move the club forward gone. It’s inexplicable how the club have completely overlooked the main problems for so long now.

I understand that Hearts and Aberdeen are getting money showered on them but we’re not even best of the rest after that and are extremely difficult to watch. How the owners think this is progress is completely beyond me.

[hibsforeurope]

The Hearts foundation is able to give their football club at least a million pounds each year .They say they have pledged over 14 million pounds and have 8,000 active members giving to their club. This level of money will take Hearts into a place where they will be favourites to get European football and the money that attratcs and to be favourites to finish 3rd in the SPL.

We need to try and get our fans to give money to our club in a way that is acceptable to the people who are giving that money. So we can try and get as good if not bbetter players than Hearts. HSL is a good vehicle to make that happen IMO.

Having money alone isn't the main difference, it's how that money is being spent. hearts have had that extra money from FOR for year and have been rank, they have now got a plan and it's working for them. i would be really uncomfortable to just plough money in to HSL/Hibs for it to be spent in the same manner as it is currently.

[jeffers]

The amount of money from James Anderson and FoH they have wasted must be huge. Other than getting Europe this season they have achieved nothing of note but have spent way more than any other club outside the OF.

I don’t disagree, but let’s be honest 3rd and Europe, maybe a cup win, are all any team outwith the OF can expect to achieve.

[Trinity Hibee]

I don’t disagree, but let’s be honest 3rd and Europe, maybe a cup win, are all any team outwith the OF can expect to achieve.

Absolutely. Only thing worse than us wasting the money we have so far is the fact hearts fans have paid over and above and got nothing to show for it. We need to get our act together quick before we fall further behind.

[Key West]

Unless we spend it will be more of the same, just a numbers game.

[Since452]

Get the impression LJ has been let down, which isn't surprising

As was Jack Ross. Not building on our 3rd place will forever annoy me. Ron has spent money and that is to be commended but the only area the vast majority of people care about is the first team. The Boyle signing was fantastic but another couple of quality signings would turn us in to a very handy side pretty quickly. Some of these players need a bit of help.

[delbert]

If we don’t get some quality in this week, a CB attacking midfielder and a proper CF then our season is over before it’s started.

Ridiculous we are in this position at this time given the length of time we’ve needed these areas sorted.

I have no faith in the recruitment happening but I really need them to prove me wrong.

The squad is shambolic.

Agreed, one of the poorest squads we’ve ever had, being managed by yet another journeyman manager with no connection or affinity to the club and who was basically another cheap option who happened to be available and who needed a pay cheque, that’s exactly where we are and looking at the current table, that’s pretty much our level. The recruitment by the absent landlord and his idiot offspring, both on and off the park, have been laughable but not in a particularly funny way, a going nowhere club at present, run by do nothing owners, this season is going to be about as poor as it gets !

[neil7908]

It’s not even like it’s a couple of hundred grand here and there either, we’re looking at millions.

Don't get me wrong, that money definitely makes a difference.

But I look at the SPL table now and see 3 clubs ahead of us that have much smaller budgets than Hibs. The gap in funding between us and Hearts and Aberdeen is often cited in defence of the club and our recruitment, yet the same advantage we have over Livi, St Mirren etc doesn't seem to do us that much good!

[matty_f]

Don't get me wrong, that money definitely makes a difference.

But I look at the SPL table now and see 3 clubs ahead of us that have much smaller budgets than Hibs. The gap in funding between us and Hearts and Aberdeen is often cited in defence of the club and our recruitment, yet the same advantage we have over Livi, St Mirren etc doesn't seem to do us that much good!

Preaching to the converted on that point, we should be miles ahead of the clubs quoted based on spend, facilities etc. We are punching massively below our weight and it's right that folk are annoyed about it. That's mis-management either by the manager, the recruitment, or both.

[Trinity Hibee]

Preaching to the converted on that point, we should be miles ahead of the clubs quoted based on spend, facilities etc. We are pinching massively below our weight and it's right that folk are annoyed about it. That's mis-management either by the manager, the recruitment, or both.

Yep. This isn’t a defence of current manager or board but has it not always been this way? Clubs like Motherwell, livi out perform us more than they should be. Probably shows you( in motherwells case) that if you have the right setup behind the scenes and have proper football people in place what a difference it makes.

Hibs have been out of the top 5 more often than not in my lifetime which is pretty disgraceful.

[Trinity Hibee]

I should add 5th is the minimum we should expect each year. Accept the odd time we’ll fall out of it but finishing 3rd once in a decade with the rest being scraps to reach top 6 isn’t acceptable and probably shows we need a better structure in place for continuity.

[SideBurns]

My hopes for this season already are that we don't get relegated, and Herts don't win anything (including the cup we'd still be in had we been able to beat Falkirk or Morton). No point kidding yourself on, is there?

[Unseen work]

Yep. This isn’t a defence of current manager or board but has it not always been this way? Clubs like Motherwell, livi out perform us more than they should be. Probably shows you( in motherwells case) that if you have the right setup behind the scenes and have proper football people in place what a difference it makes.

Hibs have been out of the top

5 more often than not in my lifetime which is pretty disgraceful.

This is what is annoying me, some are making out before Gordon everything was rosey and the recruitment was exceptional.

I think we’ll get the players we need and if we do it will be our best window in years.

[neil7908]

Preaching to the converted on that point, we should be miles ahead of the clubs quoted based on spend, facilities etc. We are pinching massively below our weight and it's right that folk are annoyed about it. That's mis-management either by the manager, the recruitment, or both.

Agree 100%

[B.H.F.C]

Unless we spend it will be more of the same, just a numbers game.

If we spend, it’ll probably still be more of the same.

Not spending hasn’t really been the issue. Spending on a mixture of ***** and players not good to go has killed us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This is what is annoying me, some are making out before Gordon everything was rosey and the recruitment was exceptional.

I think we’ll get the players we need and if we do it will be our best window in years.

Nobody is making that out.

Historical failures don’t make current failures acceptable though. We’ve punched well below our weight for years, that doesn’t mean it’s less worthy of criticism when someone else comes in and has a go at recruitment and continues punching below our weight.

[jeffers]

Nobody is making that out.

Historical failures don’t make current failures acceptable though. We’ve punched well below our weight for years, that doesn’t mean it’s less worthy of criticism when someone else comes in and has a go at recruitment and continues punching below our weight.

:agree:

Mathie carried the can after the last summer window. Has the process improved since then ?

[Gerard]

Having money alone isn't the main difference, it's how that money is being spent. hearts have had that extra money from FOR for year and have been rank, they have now got a plan and it's working for them. i would be really uncomfortable to just plough money in to HSL/Hibs for it to be spent in the same manner as it is currently.

Fair points. I will give money and have given money to HSL so that when it is possible to buy shares in our club they will have the funds to do so. They have spent money on a competition to get access to corporate seats this season.

[Hibees1973]

All the money in the world is no use though if you are wasting it on fees and wages for players who clearly aren’t good enough. Hearts were doing that for long enough, now it seems we are. We are probably paying more in fees and wages than we ever have, the trouble is it’s being wasted.

Agree with this.

Know most clubs have a fair number of signings that are unsuccessful but it really makes me angry that Ron's son has had the authority to sign so many players since he has been here. Numerous ones that have gone through his recruitment dept have left already and many that are still here will make no impression on the first team on a regular basis.

What a complete waste of money and a shambles Hibs are in just now. Wonder what the wage total will be in the next set of accounts.

Horrendous.

[Golden Bear]

Preaching to the converted on that point, we should be miles ahead of the clubs quoted based on spend, facilities etc. We are punching massively below our weight and it's right that folk are annoyed about it. That's mis-management either by the manager, the recruitment, or both.

And we have too many so called "professionals " who consistently fail to do the job they're handsomely paid to do. The buck stops with these guys, the Manager can only do so much.

[mcfly]

We have signed plenty players on the premise they will be ready for first team in 2 seasons.

This is great if it works but we need players for the first team now.

The team we are seeing now is weak and predictable.

We need a centre half . Central
Midfielder and striker - all of which are ready to go straight into first team.

You don’t need to be head of recruitment to work that out. How it’s never been addressed is a disgrace to the fans .

Yet again it appears so far another huge let down by the board.

3days to sort it - cmon hibs

[SideBurns]

What I don't get is why we're apparently having to use the transfer budget to sign players who will hopefully be ready for the first team once they've served an apprenticeship in the development squad; is that not the purpose of the youth policy? Where are all the youngsters coming through the ranks??

[xqnq1875]

We’ll sign a cb on loan and that will be it imo, that interview from Lj on Saturday was very worrying regarding transfers, if Ron is serious he gets us some quality players in that we so badly need simple as that and make sure they are of Lj’s choice not that clown Ian Gordon’s


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[IberianHibernian]

What I don't get is why we're apparently having to use the transfer budget to sign players who will hopefully be ready for the first team once they've served an apprenticeship in the development squad; is that not the purpose of the youth policy? Where are all the youngsters coming through the ranks??There don`t seem to be many good young Scottish players so not hard to see why we`re looking elsewhere . Credit to club for making a big effort to look for top young players elsewhere .

[Callum_62]

I'm. Pretty certain we tried and failed to get Mccormack in

Whether that was his choice to go elsewhere or what we were offering wasn't enough I've no idea

It makes you think there would be some funds floating about though

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[Alfred E Newman]

There don`t seem to be many good young Scottish players so not hard to see why we`re looking elsewhere . Credit to club for making a big effort to look for top young players elsewhere .

Really? Maybe the youngsters can’t progress because clubs like Hibs keep filling their squads with very ordinary players from elsewhere.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There don`t seem to be many good young Scottish players so not hard to see why we`re looking elsewhere . Credit to club for making a big effort to look for top young players elsewhere .

Then bin the rest of the youth set up and put that money into the first team.

[S4uzee]

The odds of signing anyone at this late stage that would make a dramatic difference to this team is slim. Given the standard brought in over the summer, I wouldn’t have much confidence in the present regime plucking any last minute gems out of the hat.

Totally agree. Quite incredible the position we’re in even with a new manager

[SideBurns]

There don`t seem to be many good young Scottish players so not hard to see why we`re looking elsewhere . Credit to club for making a big effort to look for top young players elsewhere .

That's not "credit to the club" - it's a failure by the club if they don't produce players good enough for the first team. It is the reason for the existence of the youth set up.

[JimBHibees]

Agree with this.

Know most clubs have a fair number of signings that are unsuccessful but it really makes me angry that Ron's son has had the authority to sign so many players since he has been here. Numerous ones that have gone through his recruitment dept have left already and many that are still here will make no impression on the first team on a regular basis.

What a complete waste of money and a shambles Hibs are in just now. Wonder what the wage total will be in the next set of accounts.

Horrendous.

He signs them with the agreement of the manager and transfer committee

[heretoday]

Three midfielders please. Thanks.

[He's here!]

Hard to see us signing anyone who will make a difference at this late stage.

Most likely just a young loanee with supposed potential.

[Aldo]

Hard to see us signing anyone who will make a difference at this late stage.

Most likely just a young loanee with supposed potential.

If that’s the case why not just play one of our own with potential.

I hope I am proved wrong however you can see it panning out this way with a player ready for first team no where to be seen!


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