Why are fans talking about a new manager already.

[HIBS NUTS]

It’s utterly ridiculous, we had a relatively successful but boring jack Ross sacked , we had a horrendous appointment of SM quite rightly sacked.
But some fans posting, LJ has 16 days or 5 games to get it right, is madness.
We have had a good win, a relatively good draw, and a bad defeat at a horrendous venue.
Let’s give the guy some time, with relatively new players, to make an impact, instead of constantly asking to sack managers after every defeat.
No fans wanted him sacked last friday.

[JohnM1875]

Don't really think any or many are suggesting it. Also think LJ will get time no matter how poor the start is after what Ron Gordon has said about the Jack Ross stuff and giving a new manager more time.

[HIBS NUTS]

Don't really think any or many are suggesting it. Also think LJ will get time no matter how poor the start is after what Ron Gordon has said about the Jack Ross stuff and giving a new manager more time.

There other hibs forums i’ve looked at today, that are saying he has to get a result against rangers, or even, on here saying he has to get so many points from the next 5 games.
We really have to give the guy a chance, and not being overreactive after every defeat .

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Because the schools are still off :wink:

[Jones28]

You’re right, it’s just a shame that with every disappointment the pressure from a certain section of fans will mount, but positive results won’t reduce that by the same amount unless it’s a real humdinger like beating the Huns at the weekend.

[Unseen work]

It’s exhausting, it really is.

I’ve just accepted that no matter where we’re at people will moan.

Play silky attacking football and score loads of goals - “
Stuff like boyband will get chucked about at our first loss to a poorer team that score from a set piece and vice versa.

Also some of the best players I’ve seen for Hibs still came in for loads of stick on here for whatever reason.

I have complete faith in LJ. He’ll get us there.

[Billy Whizz]

I agree utterly ridiculous

[Jones28]

I also don’t think it helps that the Blackburn manager was also seemingly on the running for the job. For some people I’ve no doubt it has made it look like we’ve gone for the “cheap” option.

[JammyDoidger]

Can't keep sacking or talking about sacking managers. If there's money to be spent it needs to be getting spent on players that are going to make us better now, not potentially make us better in years to come. We need to be competing for third spot now. Looks like Hearts are clear favourites for that again and in turn receiving more millions. They could run away from us realistically. This isn't Johnson's fault, there's a pattern forming here, the manager either buys into the transfer policy or he doesn't get through the door.

[Coco Bryce]

We can't just keep hiring and firing managers willy nilly.

Mind you. We also can't just keep signing players who are clearly not ready for 1st team football.

[blackpoolhibs]

LJ will get sacked if he's not given the funds to bring in a whole spine, centre half, central midfielder and a centre forward.

Not development players, not players who might be good in 2025, players better than we currently have now, as this lot will get him sacked, i have no doubt about that.

[Crunchie]

We can't just keep hiring and firing managers willy nilly.

Mind you. We also can't just keep signing players who are clearly not ready for 1st team football.
We've been sacking managers willy nilly for as long as I can remember. We'll never learn.

[DIXIHIBS]

The problem these days is that every defeat seems to be treated as a crisis. Not just at hibs. Win a couple of games then lose one and the crisis returns. Its never ending. Social media plays a huge part in this as every game/decision is analysed incessantly until the next game comes around. Us old guys moaned about a defeat after the game in the pub then forgot about it till the following saturday. Simpler times:greengrin.

[Golden Bear]

I agree utterly ridiculous



To the point and absolutely spot on.

[Tully]

LJ will get sacked if he's not given the funds to bring in a whole spine, centre half, central midfielder and a centre forward.

Not development players, not players who might be good in 2025, players better than we currently have now, as this lot will get him sacked, i have no doubt about that.
100% correct thread after thread about this problem and nothing has been done to rectify the problem seems everyone can see especially opposing teams who now target our weak spots

[Pretty Boy]

If Johnson finds himself under pressure in the coming weeks and months then we can't just scapegoat and sacrifice another manager.

This isn't a 'Gordon out' post but it still baffles me that we have a commercial director, a CEO, a sponsorship and marketing manager, an academy manager etc etc but have no sporting director overseeing the most important area of the club - the entire football operation.

It shows in our failures to address key areas of the 1st team squad. The time to panic wasn't 3 or 4 weeks ago I was told. Is it ok to panic now as the transfer window closing looms closer and we still have 2 or 3 gaping holes in the squad?

If we find ourselves floundering about in 8th or 9th after 15 or 20 games then there has to be an assessment that goes deeper than the manager. If there isn't then we will just find ourselves having the same conversations we did about Ross, about Maloney and about Johnson again and again. The strategy of bringing in youngsters who may develop into 1st team players is sound but we need more players ready to go now to bridge that 2 or 3 year gap. If Johnson is left to rely on some of these guys as starters all season then the discussion is coming sooner rather than later and that's a shame as I think we have a decent one with him.

[timewilltell]

I also don’t think it helps that the Blackburn manager was also seemingly on the running for the job. For some people I’ve no doubt it has made it look like we’ve gone for the “cheap” option.

Except he was never in the running for the jobb.

[Paulie Walnuts]

LJ will get sacked if he's not given the funds to bring in a whole spine, centre half, central midfielder and a centre forward.

Not development players, not players who might be good in 2025, players better than we currently have now, as this lot will get him sacked, i have no doubt about that.

Yup. And that’s about all that’s been said. Not really seen anyone advocating sacking him etc. The talk about him having 16 days isn’t necessarily a dig at him, it’s more a dig at the recruitment team who if they don’t sign players in the positions required, and of the standard required, then LJ is on a hiding to nothing and like it or not, he will get sacked if we’re struggling. And that’s exactly what we’ll be doing if we don’t get in a quality centre mid and a quality centre half.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Because deep down, the fans care. Give me that over apathy any day of the week.

[allezsauzee]

LJ will get sacked if he's not given the funds to bring in a whole spine, centre half, central midfielder and a centre forward.

Not development players, not players who might be good in 2025, players better than we currently have now, as this lot will get him sacked, i have no doubt about that.

I agree. Too many 'projects' being signed at the expense of a couple of centre halves and a midfield general that we clearly need.

[The Spaceman]

Because deep down, the fans care. Give me that over apathy any day of the week.

That and a lot of fans are thick.

[HIBS NUTS]

I agree. Too many 'projects' being signed at the expense of a couple of centre halves and a midfield general that we clearly need.

Agree with almost all of that has been said, however the thought of some midfield general waiting in the wings to join hibs is a bit of a long shot.
He’s called john mcginn.😜.
These players are few and far between.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Agree with almost all of that has been said, however the thought of some midfield general waiting in the wings to join hibs is a bit of a long shot.
He’s called john mcginn.😜.
These players are few and far between.

They are difficult to find, but even since McGinn left, we’ve signed Docherty who is exactly what we need now, Magennis, who when fit is exactly what we need now and Allan, who when he signed, is exactly what we need now. That’s 3 different players who would have been a huge improvement to this team in 4 years, so it’s not an impossible task.

[allezsauzee]

Agree with almost all of that has been said, however the thought of some midfield general waiting in the wings to join hibs is a bit of a long shot.
He’s called john mcginn.😜.
These players are few and far between.

It doesn't need to be another SJM. There are a lot of players out there who's talent level is somewhere between SJM and the likes of Henderson, Campbell and Doyle-Hayes.

[IberianHibernian]

After we got rid of JR ( a decision I supported but thought should have been made in summer 2021 to let new manager time to settle in as LJ has ) I thought club policy was to promote devt team , signing young players with promise etc even if results were not great . I support that policy though as I said a few weeks ago here it`ll mean a bumpy road in next 2 or 3 years , bumpy maybe including a relegation in worst case . But to follow that plan , managers have to be given time . To me Maloney should have been given time . He was the first manager under the new plan and also had a terrible injury list . I think if he`d stayed , we`d probably be in a better state than now as he`d already started planning this season and we wouldn`t have wasted much - needed money on pay offs , new manager etc Anyway , for whatever reason club decided to make a change and we have to give LJ time to make a difference while remembering that our plan is looking for consistent success every year from 2 or 3 years`time not the odd 3rd place followed by dropping back to bottom six or worse ( like Hearts with 2 relegations within a few years ) . Fans of all clubs are not known for having patience and our fans are no different but club can`t make plans then not stick them out whatever some fans are saying . As for recruitment , all the folk who were celebrating return of Boyle last week were presumably doing so while accepting that it would limit signings in other positions ? The left sided defender from Uruguay in a position we need someone and with a potentially huge sell on value for example . Again , did club think Boyle signing was in long term interests or were they putting short term popularity with fans before long term develop young players plan ?

[jeffers]

Don’t think anyone is seriously suggesting he should be sacked, but he’s not exactly got off to a flying start. Yes it’s early days but a lot of the same failings we saw under Maloney are still present and if we don’t address the glaring gaps in our squad he could well come under pressure, especially when you consider we were knocked out of one of the only two competitions we have a chance of winning before it even exited the group stage.

I keep reading that as fans we are impatient and have unrealistic expectations, but all we are doing is mirroring those of our owner……

[allezsauzee]

I don't think people are suggest LJ should be sacked. I think some people are suggesting that he'll struggle to meet expectations unless we sign some proven players in vital positions.

[ThisIsTheYear]

He might not have been the sexy appointment we wanted but he needs to be given time. We can’t keep ripping it up after a couple of bad results

[MWHIBBIES]

LJ will get sacked if he's not given the funds to bring in a whole spine, centre half, central midfielder and a centre forward.

Not development players, not players who might be good in 2025, players better than we currently have now, as this lot will get him sacked, i have no doubt about that.

He's already signed 2 strikers. On top of the three we already had that cost us nearly 1 million combined. He has to get more, much more, from the forwards he has.

Midfield and defender needed but he's been evaluating our squad since April. He clearly doesn't think we need them. Or the club are ****ing him over.

[Davy Mac]

Like any business, ignore your customers at your pearl, not saying you pander to their every whim, but at least acknowledge their concerns.

The stadium upgrades are brilliant but the product on the pitch is what drives the punters, better get with the program.

[WhileTheChief..]

Better sacking a useless manager than sticking with one.

Not saying LJ is useless, but the club were absolutely correct in getting rid of the likes of Duffy, Calderwood, Butcher, Heckingbottom and Maloney.

If LJ gets similar results and performances he'll be out. If the results under him are more like those when Stubbs or Lennon were here, he'll be fine.

That's exactly how it should be, common sense really.

[IberianHibernian]

Better sacking a useless manager than sticking with one.

Not saying LJ is useless, but the club were absolutely correct in getting rid of the likes of Duffy, Calderwood, Butcher, Heckingbottom and Maloney.

If LJ gets similar results and performances he'll be out. If the results under him are more like those when Stubbs or Lennon were here, he'll be fine.

That's exactly how it should be, common sense really.Common sense while remembering that Stubbs managed us in second tier and likewise for Lennon in his first year . Also , Maloney and now LJ are managers while club has committed to long term plan looking for sustained success in a few years`time rather than usual 3rd followed by years of mid table or worse . With LJ we`ve lost to Falkirk just as we did several times with Stubbs so okay there at least .

[Libby Hibby]

100 pager incoming

[Scotty Leither]

Nobody I know is talking about replacing the manager. Plenty talk on our bus pre and post match on Saturday just how lightweight and powder-puff our team is, with a slow and functional midfield.

There's a saying "it's players that get managers sacked". It's our total lack of quality beyond Marshall, Porteous, and Boyle that's got people rightly questioning our recruitment (again) and it's something that won't go away unless it's addressed urgently with the close of the window looming.

The club seem absolutely determined and unshakeable in their belief that the current squad is fine, and that any player recruited with the odd exception has to fit the mould of "promising" or "has a sell-on value". Ron Gordon in the last podcast for instance, thinks Jair is a "great signing"- really?

If that stubbornness prevails, then it'll do for Johnson just as it's done for his predecessors, and the buck can't keep getting passed to the manager, who can only work with the players he's got, or the ones he's allowed to sign.

[blackpoolhibs]

He's already signed 2 strikers. On top of the three we already had that cost us nearly 1 million combined. He has to get more, much more, from the forwards he has.

Midfield and defender needed but he's been evaluating our squad since April. He clearly doesn't think we need them. Or the club are ****ing him over.

We have signed 2 forwards, but neither can play up front on their own, and the way we are just firing balls up the park to them is why i said the spine of the team.

Doidge is finished, so if we continue to just launch the ball as we are doing now much more than previously, then we need a Doidge type player, obviously much better than this version.

[IberianHibernian]

Nobody I know is talking about replacing the manager. Plenty talk on our bus pre and post match on Saturday just how lightweight and powder-puff our team is, with a slow and functional midfield.

There's a saying "it's players that get managers sacked". It's our total lack of quality beyond Marshall, Porteous, and Boyle that's got people rightly questioning our recruitment (again) and it's something that won't go away unless it's addressed urgently with the close of the window looming.

The club seem absolutely determined and unshakeable in their belief that the current squad is fine, and that any player recruited with the odd exception has to fit the mould of "promising" or "has a sell-on value". Ron Gordon in the last podcast for instance, thinks Jair is a "great signing"- really?

If that stubbornness prevails, then it'll do for Johnson just as it's done for his predecessors, and the buck can't keep getting passed to the manager, who can only work with the players he's got, or the ones he's allowed to sign.Do you really think that the club ( whoever that means ) are satisfied with the squad or that RG thinks that Jair is a great signing now ( he may well have been persuaded by others who know more about the player that he could prove to be a great signing in the coming months or years ? Odd exception of signings now includes McGeady , Marshall and Boyle , signings which have probably prevented us signing several potentially very useful younger players eg Joaquin Sosa .

[Pagan Hibernia]

After we got rid of JR ( a decision I supported but thought should have been made in summer 2021 to let new manager time to settle in as LJ has ) I thought club policy was to promote devt team , signing young players with promise etc even if results were not great . I support that policy though as I said a few weeks ago here it`ll mean a bumpy road in next 2 or 3 years , bumpy maybe including a relegation in worst case . But to follow that plan , managers have to be given time . To me Maloney should have been given time . He was the first manager under the new plan and also had a terrible injury list . I think if he`d stayed , we`d probably be in a better state than now as he`d already started planning this season and we wouldn`t have wasted much - needed money on pay offs , new manager etc Anyway , for whatever reason club decided to make a change and we have to give LJ time to make a difference while remembering that our plan is looking for consistent success every year from 2 or 3 years`time not the odd 3rd place followed by dropping back to bottom six or worse ( like Hearts with 2 relegations within a few years ) . Fans of all clubs are not known for having patience and our fans are no different but club can`t make plans then not stick them out whatever some fans are saying . As for recruitment , all the folk who were celebrating return of Boyle last week were presumably doing so while accepting that it would limit signings in other positions ? The left sided defender from Uruguay in a position we need someone and with a potentially huge sell on value for example . Again , did club think Boyle signing was in long term interests or were they putting short term popularity with fans before long term develop young players plan ?

so Jack Ross should have been punted immediately after getting us a 3rd place finish in the league, but Maloney should have been given time after winning two or three games in 4 months?

ok.

[Smartie]

I don’t think I’ve got any issue with Johnson, I’m sure he’s a good manager.

He’s new to the league, will make mistakes and we need to be a bit patient (I thought he showed a lot of naivety on Saturday but improved us with his subs, tactical tweaks etc, so he looks capable of learning).

Tbh I feel a bit sorry for him and I don’t think any manager would do better with the squad of players he’s been given. A bit like Jack Ross, but not like Shaun Maloney.

If RG were to get trigger happy with Johnson then I think it would be the final straw for his credibility as an owner.

I could see myself getting properly on Ron and his son’s backs before I see myself getting on Johnson’s back, put it that way.

[B.H.F.C]

Do you really think that the club ( whoever that means ) are satisfied with the squad or that RG thinks that Jair is a great signing now ( he may well have been persuaded by others who know more about the player that he could prove to be a great signing in the coming months or years ? Odd exception of signings now includes McGeady , Marshall and Boyle , signings which have probably prevented us signing several potentially very useful younger players eg Joaquin Sosa .

Ron was still maintaining (ridiculously) this summer that we had a good January window. There are certain things they are looking for and I don’t think there is any chance he’ll be anything less than satisfied with what they’ve done. If the results don’t come, we all know who will suffer for that.

[IberianHibernian]

I don’t think I’ve got any issue with Johnson, I’m sure he’s a good manager.

He’s new to the league, will make mistakes and we need to be a bit patient (I thought he showed a lot of naivety on Saturday but improved us with his subs, tactical tweaks etc, so he looks capable of learning).

Tbh I feel a bit sorry for him and I don’t think any manager would do better with the squad of players he’s been given. A bit like Jack Ross, but not like Shaun Maloney.

If RG were to get trigger happy with Johnson then I think it would be the final straw for his credibility as an owner.

I could see myself getting properly on Ron and his son’s backs before I see myself getting on Johnson’s back, put it that way.I agree . If we want to attract decent managers , we can`t fire them after a few bad results . That is something that should take pressure off LJ if results continue to be disappointing . The departures of Ross and Maloney will not have made us look attractive for potential managers . Departures of both have already been widely debated here so I hope we can move on and not repeat debates .

[IberianHibernian]

Ron was still maintaining (ridiculously) this summer that we had a good January window. There are certain things they are looking for and I don’t think there is any chance he’ll be anything less than satisfied with what they’ve done. If the results don’t come, we all know who will suffer for that.By a good January window was he not saying that he thought players like Clarke , Mitchell and Bishuri were good signings ? I think most people would agree with him and also saw why we signed Jasper and even Mueller . And Melkersen and other devt team signings . Was our % of January signings who didn`t work out any worse if at all than other clubs signings ? Aware that we didn`t find great players for key positions where many thought we were weak but were good players available ? Despite a horrendous injury list , we were very close to 4th and a second cup final . This season I don`t think anyone at the club will be happy about the LC or league results but at the same time they won`t be slaughtering at least in public new players who`ve just arrived or players we`ve had for a while but have had fitness problems in last year .

[Frazerbob]

It’s utterly ridiculous, we had a relatively successful but boring jack Ross sacked , we had a horrendous appointment of SM quite rightly sacked.
But some fans posting, LJ has 16 days or 5 games to get it right, is madness.
We have had a good win, a relatively good draw, and a bad defeat at a horrendous venue.
Let’s give the guy some time, with relatively new players, to make an impact, instead of constantly asking to sack managers after every defeat.
No fans wanted him sacked last friday.

Whilst I totally agree it’s ridiculous to talk of getting rid of LJ, you seem to have forgotten the league cup debacle. That to me is a bigger issue than the defeat in Saturday

[hfcok]

Wonder if the board are thinking, they should have went for JDT🤔, after his fantastic start with his new team.

[B.H.F.C]

By a good January window was he not saying that he thought players like Clarke , Mitchell and Bishuri were good signings ? I think most people would agree with him and also saw why we signed Jasper and even Mueller . And Melkersen and other devt team signings . Was our % of January signings who didn`t work out any worse if at all than other clubs signings ? Aware that we didn`t find great players for key positions where many thought we were weak but were good players available ? Despite a horrendous injury list , we were very close to 4th and a second cup final . This season I don`t think anyone at the club will be happy about the LC or league results but at the same time they won`t be slaughtering at least in public new players who`ve just arrived or players we`ve had for a while but have had fitness problems in last year .

Of all the players we signed in January, two of them started at the weekend. A number of them aren’t at the club now. And one of them is an injury prone player who is never out the treatment room (as has been common at his previous clubs). It was a disaster of a window and I really don’t think there can be any argument about that.

Now I don’t think much of Maloney, but he suffered for that. LJ will suffer the same if we don’t address the issues that were there in that window and remain to this day. I don’t doubt Ron will be unhappy with the results so far, but we continue to persist with the same ideas on the transfer front which indicates to me the club don’t see that policy as the problem.

[Smartie]

By a good January window was he not saying that he thought players like Clarke , Mitchell and Bishuri were good signings ? I think most people would agree with him and also saw why we signed Jasper and even Mueller . And Melkersen and other devt team signings . Was our % of January signings who didn`t work out any worse if at all than other clubs signings ? Aware that we didn`t find great players for key positions where many thought we were weak but were good players available ? Despite a horrendous injury list , we were very close to 4th and a second cup final . This season I don`t think anyone at the club will be happy about the LC or league results but at the same time they won`t be slaughtering at least in public new players who`ve just arrived or players we`ve had for a while but have had fitness problems in last year .

I agree that he’s taken an unfairly large amount of flak for his positive comments about the January transfer window.

If we’re to criticise him, it should be for the abject summer window we had - on his watch - the summer before, which left us needing to address so much in January that it was almost impossible to succeed.

We were unlucky with injuries to some of the players and even the likes of Jasper weren’t disastrous (I’d have kept him fwiw).

[basehibby]

It’s utterly ridiculous, we had a relatively successful but boring jack Ross sacked , we had a horrendous appointment of SM quite rightly sacked.
But some fans posting, LJ has 16 days or 5 games to get it right, is madness.
We have had a good win, a relatively good draw, and a bad defeat at a horrendous venue.
Let’s give the guy some time, with relatively new players, to make an impact, instead of constantly asking to sack managers after every defeat.
No fans wanted him sacked last friday.

The advent of social media allows voice to some who fail to engage the brain before venting their spleen. Also there's the possibility of trolling sad act jambos stirring things up for cheap thrills whenever Hibs have a bad week.

I'd be surprised if anyone shouting "Sack Him" right now did not come into one of these categories so shouldn't read too much into it at this stage.

[Ozyhibby]

The advent of social media allows voice to some who fail to engage the brain before venting their spleen. Also there's the possibility of trolling sad act jambos stirring things up for cheap thrills whenever Hibs have a bad week.

I'd be surprised if anyone shouting "Sack Him" right now did not come into one of these categories so shouldn't read too much into it at this stage.

Can you point to anyone saying sack him now?

We don’t know if Johnson is a good manager or not yet. I certainly don’t think he should be sacked.
All I’m saying is that if he doesn’t fix midfield, he will go the same way the last couple of managers went.
Maybe I’ll be wrong and we’ll start firing on all cylinders with Newell and Campbell the driving force behind it all. Maybe.
I’m not saying sack him, I’m predicting that he will be sacked if he continues with this midfield. Only time will tell.


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[neil7908]

Wonder if the board are thinking, they should have went for JDT🤔, after his fantastic start with his new team.

I think the fact JDH ended up at Blackburn is a sign we never had a chance in the first place.

[basehibby]

Can you point to anyone saying sack him now?

We don’t know if Johnson is a good manager or not yet. I certainly don’t think he should be sacked.
All I’m saying is that if he doesn’t fix midfield, he will go the same way the last couple of managers went.
Maybe I’ll be wrong and we’ll start firing on all cylinders with Newell and Campbell the driving force behind it all. Maybe.
I’m not saying sack him, I’m predicting that he will be sacked if he continues with this midfield. Only time will tell.


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I didn't say I could - was replying to the OP which alluded to such chat of sacking Johnson - which I agree would be ridiculous at this stage.

[phoenixfire]

Can you point to anyone saying sack him now?

We don’t know if Johnson is a good manager or not yet. I certainly don’t think he should be sacked.
All I’m saying is that if he doesn’t fix midfield, he will go the same way the last couple of managers went.
Maybe I’ll be wrong and we’ll start firing on all cylinders with Newell and Campbell the driving force behind it all. Maybe.
I’m not saying sack him, I’m predicting that he will be sacked if he continues with this midfield. Only time will tell.


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Give it a rest for Pete's sake! We don't know if Johnson's a good manager or not yet! Guys done well at Oldham ,bristol city four years I think ! Beat man u in cup , had Sunderland maybe 2nd top before he left ! And I'm sure I read man city boss praised him for his style of attacking football ! Though you don't know if he's a good manager or not and you are predicting him sacked on top of this ! You been negative most of your posts about Johnson today ! Think Ron should employ you seeing as your such a manager expert!

[CMac1988]

We've been sacking managers willy nilly for as long as I can remember. We'll never learn.

On the whole we sign players who aren't good enough for first team football also... Go figure. :D

[ClermistonGreen]

Keep the manager
Sack the players !
:confused:

[OldEast]

Keep the manager
Sack the players !
:confused:

For me it's simple. We're at the mercy of the recruitment team policy.

[Wilson]

For me it's simple. We're at the mercy of the recruitment team policy.

We are. However, we haven't given the latest crop enough games or Johnson enough time working with them.

Some people a doubtful and post their doubts. Fair enough. Stating as fact that some players aren't good enough, that the recruitment team has failed, or that Johnson should be sacked, isn't really on. Not after three league games.

We have work to do. We need Johnson to get a tune out of some very talented but inexperienced players and quickly. But we need to give him the chance to do it.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Jack Ross didn’t get punted immediately after getting us 3rd :confused:

Jack Ross or Asos Ancellotti 🤣🤣.

[RIP]

The advent of social media allows voice to some who fail to engage the brain before venting their spleen.

Also there's the possibility of trolling sad act jambos stirring things up for cheap thrills whenever Hibs have a bad week.

I'd be surprised if anyone shouting "Sack Him" right now did not come into one of these categories so shouldn't read too much into it at this stage.

Agree with this assessment. I’ve yet to meet a supporter at the games or in the pub / Hibs club calling for the manager to be sacked. Everyone with a footballing brain understands that it’s going to take Lee a couple of transfer windows to reshape Hibs and start to bring through promising talent from the U23s.

For all the comparisons with Hearts, when I talk to my Jambo mates they remind me that in the years following our Scottish Cup win they were poor, suffered some bad defeats and eventually got relegated two years ago. But then they adopted fan ownership, transformed the football department and started a restructuring plan to get the club back on track.

That’s exactly what Ron, Ben and Lee are doing at our club. If Hearts fans can back their club when the going gets tough, why can’t we? All it takes is to accept that we need to toughen up and support our manager and players through a period of rebuild and not throw the baby out with the bath water every time we lose a game.

[I'm Spartacus]

I do post on it, but the 'We need to talk about Lee' thread is hanging around like a big black cloud, that won't move until the club and Lee part ways, which is pretty negative.

[tonyrougier123]

For me it's simple. We're at the mercy of the recruitment team policy.

So is every manager in the modern game I’d suggest.
We’ve had a lot of managers clearly not all bad ones either.
We’ve got to let Lee Johnson assert his methods on his team and build from there,for it’s the same players in the side letting us down consistently,some players just not delivering for any gaffer in the dug out.

This summer is the biggest turnover we’ve had in a long while,we still need a few in but wether we get that or not remains to be seen.
Some say a few need to go first,I’d suggest a few of our higher profile players need shipped out as it’s getting to a stale point with the same mistakes being made over again in a team that lacks the ability to win games.

[Steve20]

Sacking Johnson already is surely not a serious suggestion by people. The recruitment team that have failed AGAIN to bring in a centre half, a good creative midfielder and a striker capable of scoring a goal are the ones to blame. And they're in place because of Ron Gordon, so as much as people hate hearing it, he's failed again in this window.

As long as the people who sign the players keep bringing in dross and not addressing the positions we need, then no manager will be able to succeed here.

[SickBoy32]

That and a lot of fans are thick.

Haha dreadful comment, the fans are increasingly uneasy because it's as clear as the nose on your face that our transfer policy is hurting us, again.

The Ian Gordon situation is odd, is there any comparison in the modern world of football of such clear nepotism? (Roman Romanov aside)

The guy is clearly never the best man for the position he finds himself in - judging by how ruthless RG has been with management teams, his son is seemingly teflon.

I worry that we'll continue to flounder until this is properly addressed.

[Scotty Leither]

Haha dreadful comment, the fans are increasingly uneasy because it's as clear as the nose on your face that our transfer policy is hurting us, again.

The Ian Gordon situation is odd, is there any comparison in the modern world of football of such clear nepotism? (Roman Romanov aside)

The guy is clearly never the best man for the position he finds himself in - judging by how ruthless RG has been with management teams, his son is seemingly teflon.

I worry that we'll continue to flounder until this is properly addressed.

…and that’s a direct question needing asked of Ron Gordon. Why are key positions continually not addressed in successive transfer windows, irrespective of who the current manager is?

[jeffers]

…and that’s a direct question needing asked of Ron Gordon. Why are key positions continually not addressed in successive transfer windows, irrespective of who the current manager is?

Not convinced RG has been entirely truthful about the role of his son, never mind his actual qualifications for the role. However in saying that has LJ, an experienced manager, taken the job with the understanding he won’t be able to sign the players/fill the positions he wants ? It would seem a big risk on his part ‘cos ultimately if we struggle it won’t be Ian Gordon who loses his job it will be Johnson.

[Hibee Daft]

We have a young team, players with lots of potential. Behind that we have a brilliant youth team aswell.

Future looks bright, talk of sacking the manager is mental imo.

Id give him a full season at the very the least unless team looked relegation threatened.

Boyle has just come back, still not match fit, lots of new signings like Youan, Bojang, Cabrajes still finding their feet.

Nisbet and Magennis surely will make a massive impact when they come back aswell.

[MWHIBBIES]

We have signed 2 forwards, but neither can play up front on their own, and the way we are just firing balls up the park to them is why i said the spine of the team.

Doidge is finished, so if we continue to just launch the ball as we are doing now much more than previously, then we need a Doidge type player, obviously much better than this version.

So the manager needs to change the style to suit the players he has signed, rather than just signing more.

[I'm Spartacus]

Our xG, or whatever it's called, seems to be getting talked about on here quiet a bit, should we be going back into the market or coaching our attacking players to convert?

Coaching has to be the answer doesn't it?

[FilipinoHibs]

To me we are not much different in style from JR and Maloney. LJ already made a lot of bad calls - League Cup, Tait and who has sent out on loan plus playing a not match fit Hanlon. When you are out of work you accept an employer's philosophy even if you think it is bonkers. Lucky to finish top 6 but I am sure he will be allowed to start again next season. RG can't afford another knee jerk reaction. Me I expect nothing this season and will saviour the few highs. Maybe the Boyle goal will be our highlight of the season.

[blackpoolhibs]

So the manager needs to change the style to suit the players he has signed, rather than just signing more.

Dont be stupid, most of these players whatever system you care to mention are either not good enough yet, will they ever be?

We leak goals by terrible defending from the front, right back to the defence, we create little, and we've gone back to the boy band players without the originals swagger and grit.

Pep wouldnt get a tune out of this lot, we are capable of the odd result, but under this manager or any other manager we appoint, this lot of players will eventually get them sacked unless the transfer committee eventually bring in the quality we've needed for years.

[thebausburst]

If you’re going to achieve a Europe spot in the table you need a couple of strikers who will get double figures, Boyle aside we don’t have that with Nisbet missing half the season at least, Doidge looks a shadow, Youhan looks to have good quality but goalscoring and double figures I’m not so sure. Putting the ball in the net has been a BIG issue for a long time now.

[easty]

Dont be stupid, most of these players whatever system you care to mention are either not good enough yet, will they ever be?

We leak goals by terrible defending from the front, right back to the defence, we create little, and we've gone back to the boy band players without the originals swagger and grit.

Pep wouldnt get a tune out of this lot, we are capable of the odd result, but under this manager or any other manager we appoint, this lot of players will eventually get them sacked unless the transfer committee eventually bring in the quality we've needed for years.

We don’t really leak that many goals. That’s just a stupid criticism that’s been made so often that folk seem to jump on it now. We’ve conceded the least amount of goals, out with the old firm, 2 seasons on the bounce now.

The boy band stuff is pish tae.

[Smartie]

We don’t really leak that many goals. That’s just a stupid criticism that’s been made so often that folk seem to jump on it now. We’ve conceded the least amount of goals, out with the old firm, 2 seasons on the bounce now.

The boy band stuff is pish tae.

In general I suppose you're right, but we're coming off a weekend where losing a couple of really bad goals lost us the game.

Our main issues are middle to front, and have been for a while. Boyle carried us for a while and the effect of getting him back shouldn't be underestimated, but it doesn't really make up for the fact that we've not looked any more like scoring goals than we have for a couple of years.

FWIW I don't think we're far off - a quality striker could be the glue that holds the whole front line together, a quality midfielder could bring something else out of all our other midfielders and I still think we're perilously thin at CB.

Still talking about basically being a spine of a team short of being a team that should be challenging for 3rd though and with what we have we should accept that we won't be doing better than to battle to get into the top 6 and be reliant on very favourable draws to get as far in the cup as we have in recent years.

[easty]

In general I suppose you're right, but we're coming off a weekend where losing a couple of really bad goals lost us the game.

Our main issues are middle to front, and have been for a while. Boyle carried us for a while and the effect of getting him back shouldn't be underestimated, but it doesn't really make up for the fact that we've not looked any more like scoring goals than we have for a couple of years.

FWIW I don't think we're far off - a quality striker could be the glue that holds the whole front line together, a quality midfielder could bring something else out of all our other midfielders and I still think we're perilously thin at CB.

Still talking about basically being a spine of a team short of being a team that should be challenging for 3rd though and with what we have we should accept that we won't be doing better than to battle to get into the top 6 and be reliant on very favourable draws to get as far in the cup as we have in recent years.

Your second paragraph, middle to front, is clearly what’s missing in my opinion.

It’s pointless putting Newell in that role, or JDH, that’s not what they do. Square pegs in round holes. Scotty Allan could do it pre-health issues, Magennis did it well in that wee spell we had him fit and playing there, but I’ve just got absolutely nae faith that we’ll ever get him in the team long enough to be able to count on him.

We need another player who can do it.

We need someone behind the striker, linking with the striker, getting past him on occasion. Henderson might develop into that player, but he’s not good enough at it just now.

[Tyler Durden]

Dont be stupid, most of these players whatever system you care to mention are either not good enough yet, will they ever be?

We leak goals by terrible defending from the front, right back to the defence, we create little, and we've gone back to the boy band players without the originals swagger and grit.

Pep wouldnt get a tune out of this lot, we are capable of the odd result, but under this manager or any other manager we appoint, this lot of players will eventually get them sacked unless the transfer committee eventually bring in the quality we've needed for years.

You’re all over the place with this post.

The defending from the front is actually very good. Youan and Melkersen are pressing and chasing lost causes. Boyle is always good at that aswell.

We’ve lost a few crap goals at the weekend but nothing to do with any “boyband” stuff. Mainly it’s experienced players let us down.

We are creating chances aswell and that will improve as the coach works with the new players and the team build some understanding. We’ve signed some quality players, the jury is out on others and we defo need more quality in centre midfield.

Hardly the lost cause that you paint

[Smartie]

Your second paragraph, middle to front, is clearly what’s missing in my opinion.

It’s pointless putting Newell in that role, or JDH, that’s not what they do. Square pegs in round holes. Scotty Allan could do it pre-health issues, Magennis did it well in that wee spell we had him fit and playing there, but I’ve just got absolutely nae faith that we’ll ever get him in the team long enough to be able to count on him.

We need another player who can do it.

We need someone behind the striker, linking with the striker, getting past him on occasion. Henderson might develop into that player, but he’s not good enough at it just now.

Magennis last season almost gave the feeling of being a keystone. Pretty sure that we were still in contention to go top of the league (albeit early in the season) when he got injured. He also played in there with the much maligned pairing of JDH and Newell, who looked the part when he was in there with them.

So yeah, maybe we are only a similar player to Magennis or a fit Scott Allan short.

I'm still not convinced we've got the "middle of a front 3" cracked either, but I don't think we can expect much better than having Boyle and Youan as the 2 wide forwards.

It doesn't feel miles off but it doesn't feel quite there yet.

[Lago]

:top marks
You’re all over the place with this post.

The defending from the front is actually very good. Youan and Melkersen are pressing and chasing lost causes. Boyle is always good at that aswell.

We’ve lost a few crap goals at the weekend but nothing to do with any “boyband” stuff. Mainly it’s experienced players let us down.

We are creating chances aswell and that will improve as the coach works with the new players and the team build some understanding. We’ve signed some quality players, the jury is out on others and we defo need more quality in centre midfield.

Hardly the lost cause that you paint

[Callum_62]

Magennis last season almost gave the feeling of being a keystone. Pretty sure that we were still in contention to go top of the league (albeit early in the season) when he got injured. He also played in there with the much maligned pairing of JDH and Newell, who looked the part when he was in there with them.

So yeah, maybe we are only a similar player to Magennis or a fit Scott Allan short.

I'm still not convinced we've got the "middle of a front 3" cracked either, but I don't think we can expect much better than having Boyle and Youan as the 2 wide forwards.

It doesn't feel miles off but it doesn't feel quite there yet.If all fit our attacking players are

Henderson, Mitchell, Mcgeady, Tavares, Magennis, Boyle, Youan, Melkerson, Nisbet, Doidge, Bojang

That doesn't look bad options wise at all
Its getting and keeping the main ones fit





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[Smartie]

You’re all over the place with this post.

The defending from the front is actually very good. Youan and Melkersen are pressing and chasing lost causes. Boyle is always good at that aswell.

We’ve lost a few crap goals at the weekend but nothing to do with any “boyband” stuff. Mainly it’s experienced players let us down.

We are creating chances aswell and that will improve as the coach works with the new players and the team build some understanding. We’ve signed some quality players, the jury is out on others and we defo need more quality in centre midfield.

Hardly the lost cause that you paint

Another thing I could see us being dangerous from would be opposition corners.

Instead of Maloney having everyone back in our box and no Boyle, I could now see us carrying a pretty devastating counter attack on us with the pace we have in the side and the distribution our GK and a few of our defenders have.

Not the same as "defending from the front" but I think we could potentially carry a potential threat that teams need to be very careful of exposing themselves to when attacking us.

[jacomo]

Because deep down, the fans care. Give me that over apathy any day of the week.


There is definitely something to this.

Also, a fair few folk making noise are total a**holes… but many are genuine supporters who just want to see Hibs fulfil our enormous potential.

[lyonhibs]

Anyone seriously suggesting LJ's coat is on a shoogly peg after 3 League games can be instantly dismissed as a complete idiot. Do desperately need a new central midfielder, ideally 2 though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Anyone seriously suggesting LJ's coat is on a shoogly peg after 3 League games can be instantly dismissed as a complete idiot. Do desperately need a new central midfielder, ideally 2 though.

Thing is, for all the posts that talk about people wanting him sacked etc I can’t say I’ve actually seen anybody want him sacked.

[blackpoolhibs]

We don’t really leak that many goals. That’s just a stupid criticism that’s been made so often that folk seem to jump on it now. We’ve conceded the least amount of goals, out with the old firm, 2 seasons on the bounce now.

The boy band stuff is pish tae.

The goals this season have been all down to terrible defending, that is leaking goals. What we done last season or the season before or the one before that is irrelivant, this season we are leaking goals through plain bad defending.

The boy band stuff was said because of us signing kids, none a patch on the original boy band.

[Heisenberg]

The goals this season have been all down to terrible defending, that is leaking goals. What we done last season or the season before or the one before that is irrelivant, this season we are leaking goals through plain bad defending.

The boy band stuff was said because of us signing kids, none a patch on the original boy band.

We’ve conceded the same number of goals as Hearts this season. Only Rangers and Celtc have conceded less. Our issue is scoring goals and has been for a long time.

A large number of goals teams concede will be because players make mistakes and don’t defend as they normally would.

Goal v St J - They could argue horrific defending at the corner
Goal v Hearts - They could argue horrific defending to not stop the run of Boyle or pick him up in the box
Goal v Livi - They could argue horrific defending to leave Kenneh unmarked at the back post

[One Day Soon]

In answer to the OP, they're not.

The danger here for LJ in the short to medium term however is that we need to see either a string of results to show that there is something steely building up or we need to see the emergence of the kind of play he predicted - fast-paced, goals and lots of pressing. So far, we've had neither.

On top of that our new signings (with the exception of the keeper) may look like prospects but not yet like first teamers ready to go and our established players by and large do not yet look improved under LJ. We haven't signed for the spine and we've known for a VERY long time that our core weaknesses are a scoring striker and a midfield playmaker - neither of which we've signed.

I'll use a jigsaw puzzle metaphor. The pieces we have in front of us don't quite look like they can make up the picture on the front of the box and the picture that we can see so constructed so far with the pieces we do have also seems to look different from the one on the box. Maybe we've dropped a couple of important pieces on the floor...

[lyonhibs]

Thing is, for all the posts that talk about people wanting him sacked etc I can’t say I’ve actually seen anybody want him sacked.

Also true TBF 😅

[GreenGray]

Magennis last season almost gave the feeling of being a keystone. Pretty sure that we were still in contention to go top of the league (albeit early in the season) when he got injured. He also played in there with the much maligned pairing of JDH and Newell, who looked the part when he was in there with them.

So yeah, maybe we are only a similar player to Magennis or a fit Scott Allan short.

I'm still not convinced we've got the "middle of a front 3" cracked either, but I don't think we can expect much better than having Boyle and Youan as the 2 wide forwards.

It doesn't feel miles off but it doesn't feel quite there yet.

A fit Magennis and Nisbet with Youan and Boyle either side would improve us so much. Until then I think Melkersen would do a job through the middle but who knows about midfield, we need to sign one.


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[RIP]

In answer to the OP, they're not.

The danger here for LJ in the short to medium term however is that we need to see either a string of results to show that there is something steely building up or we need to see the emergence of the kind of play he predicted - fast-paced, goals and lots of pressing. So far, we've had neither.

On top of that our new signings (with the exception of the keeper) may look like prospects but not yet like first teamers ready to go and our established players by and large do not yet look improved under LJ. We haven't signed for the spine and we've known for a VERY long time that our core weaknesses are a scoring striker and a midfield playmaker - neither of which we've signed.

I'll use a jigsaw puzzle metaphor. The pieces we have in front of us don't quite look like they can make up the picture on the front of the box and the picture that we can see so constructed so far with the pieces we do have also seems to look different from the one on the box. Maybe we've dropped a couple of important pieces on the floor...

That’s an absolutely excellent analogy.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Anybody suggesting LJ's coat is on a shoogly peg at this early stage is nuts in my opinion. He's practically working with a brand new team and has the same injury problems Maloney had to contend with, the difference being that LJ isn't daft enough to think he can get what he has got to play like Man City.

The other thing is, as others have said, you can only keep sacking managers for so long until folk start asking what the real root of the problem is. Ron Gordon was rightly praised ( not least by me ) for bringing Martin Boyle back to the club, but he simply can't be the whole answer or we are no further forward than we were under Jack Ross ..... IE ... get it to Boyle, get it to Boyle, get it to Boyle ... it's not a game plan.

The injury update released by the club today to my mind simply reinforces the fact that we still need an influential central midfield player and an experienced centre half. If Lee Johnson is expected to carry the can for our failure should we go on a bad run then that should be on the back of being fully supported by the club .... failing to bring in these players on the back of supplying the guy with a bunch of players for the development squad at big expense for the likes of us is not IMO supporting the current manager to the extent he should be .... if you want him to succeed give him the tools he needs now, not ones that might come in handy 18 months or 2 years down the line.

If LJ does crash and burn it's absolutely inevitable that fans will be pointing the finger at our current recruitment policy rather than him and Ron Gordon will feel the heat big time .... because if he thinks the fans have been a bit antsy over the last year he really needs to have a conversation with Rod Petrie to find out just how bad it can get.

[CMac1988]

I'll use a jigsaw puzzle metaphor. The pieces we have in front of us don't quite look like they can make up the picture on the front of the box and the picture that we can see so constructed so far with the pieces we do have also seems to look different from the one on the box. Maybe we've dropped a couple of important pieces on the floor...

So who dropped the pieces and are we sure they haven't been hoovered up? :greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

Anyone seriously suggesting LJ's coat is on a shoogly peg after 3 League games can be instantly dismissed as a complete idiot. Do desperately need a new central midfielder, ideally 2 though.


And anybody calling Hibs fans idiots can instantly dismissed as a complete fud :greengrin

See, it's easy to around calling folk names or insulting them!! There's really no need for it though.

[blackpoolhibs]

We’ve conceded the same number of goals as Hearts this season. Only Rangers and Celtc have conceded less. Our issue is scoring goals and has been for a long time.

A large number of goals teams concede will be because players make mistakes and don’t defend as they normally would.

Goal v St J - They could argue horrific defending at the corner
Goal v Hearts - They could argue horrific defending to not stop the run of Boyle or pick him up in the box
Goal v Livi - They could argue horrific defending to leave Kenneh unmarked at the back post

And the goals we have conceded, could easily have been avoided, good teams avoid them more than bad teams.

[greenlex]

In answer to the OP, they're not.

The danger here for LJ in the short to medium term however is that we need to see either a string of results to show that there is something steely building up or we need to see the emergence of the kind of play he predicted - fast-paced, goals and lots of pressing. So far, we've had neither.

On top of that our new signings (with the exception of the keeper) may look like prospects but not yet like first teamers ready to go and our established players by and large do not yet look improved under LJ. We haven't signed for the spine and we've known for a VERY long time that our core weaknesses are a scoring striker and a midfield playmaker - neither of which we've signed.

I'll use a jigsaw puzzle metaphor. The pieces we have in front of us don't quite look like they can make up the picture on the front of the box and the picture that we can see so constructed so far with the pieces we do have also seems to look different from the one on the box. Maybe we've dropped a couple of important pieces on the floor...
Maybe they’re not out the box yet (or even in it) rather than dropped on the floor.

[RIP]

And anybody calling Hibs fans idiots can instantly dismissed as a complete fud :greengrin

See, it's easy to around calling folk names or insulting them!! There's really no need for it though.

It’s called free speech.

This messageboard is all about opinions and is run by an efficient Admin team. Targeted insults such as calling you a Yam Fud shouldn’t be allowed but as long as posters don’t get personal there is no problem in supporters stating their case.

[lyonhibs]

And anybody calling Hibs fans idiots can instantly dismissed as a complete fud :greengrin

See, it's easy to around calling folk names or insulting them!! There's really no need for it though.

Why thank you :greengrin

Point stands, any Hibs fan that's seriously proposing we should sack LJ at this stage is an idiot. In my opinion. I don't actually think there are (m)any such fans proposing that mind in real life.