Benjamin Mendy Trial..

[cabbageandribs1875]

started today..

Benjamin Mendy: Women 'disposable' to 'predator' footballer, jury told - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-62548845)


Manchester City footballer Benjamin Mendy is a "predator" who "turned the pursuit of women for sex into a game", a court has heard.

The 28-year-old is accused of eight counts of rape, one of attempted rape and one of sexual assault.


Opening the case, Timothy Cray QC said it had "very little to do with football" and more about men who "think they are powerful".


He said the women were "disposable" to Mr Mendy.

[Jones28]

Had the world at his feet. What a prick.

[hibsbollah]

It’s disgusting when you read about that degree of disregard for other human beings. Whether he’s found guilty or not.

[Pretty Boy]

It's frightening how easily some people seem to be corrupted by fame, money and relative power.

The early part of the Mendy trial seems to suggest he was running a relatively sophisticated operation. I think the jury will be left to decide whether he is a rapist or just an immoral prick who procured, used, disrespected then discarded women when he had what he wanted.

Separately the Ryan Giggs trial continues to be uncomfortable reading. His accusers former employer describing the notable change in her behaviour after meeting Giggs then subsequently having to disable her work email because of the volume of communication he was sending her doesn't read well. The transcript of the 999 call is even worse. His nice guy reputation was already in tatters but his career could well be headed the same way.

[Paul1642]

It's frightening how easily some people seem to be corrupted by fame, money and relative power.

The early part of the Mendy trial seems to suggest he was running a relatively sophisticated operation. I think the jury will be left to decide whether he is a rapist or just an immoral prick who procured, used, disrespected then discarded women when he had what he wanted.

Separately the Ryan Giggs trial continues to be uncomfortable reading. His accusers former employer describing the notable change in her behaviour after meeting Giggs then subsequently having to disable her work email because of the volume of communication he was sending her doesn't read well. The transcript of the 999 call is even worse. His nice guy reputation was already in tatters but his career could well be headed the same way.

I wonder if Mendy and others like him were corrupted or if it was always their nature and money and fame just made it much easier for them to act on it.

[heretoday]

Let's leave the juries to decide the guilt or otherwise of the accused in these cases.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i've not followed anything the last week+ but reading about one witness/victim today that she visited his home 10 times, including AFTER he allegedly raped her, the last time i read any article on this the witness that time was texting her friend that she was going to "get f***ed" tonight, yes obviously rape is rape etc but just those two witnesses really do not come across well for the prosecution to prove rape


i've no idea what other witnesses/victims have been saying

[Wilson]

Let's leave the juries to decide the guilt or otherwise of the accused in these cases.

That will happen whether we have a discussion on here or not so I don't really see the point of your post.

[cabbageandribs1875]

both men found not guilty on direction from the judge against one of the accusers after a video emerged of her having "enthusiastic sex" with one of the men after claiming she was raped.


wonder if she will she be named




Benjamin Mendy found not guilty of one count of rape - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-62894037)

[cameronw-hfc]

Let's leave the juries to decide the guilt or otherwise of the accused in these cases.


😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 let's wait for a jury to decide if a man with 9 or 10 counts of rape is guilty. Aye, all 9 are liars right enough

[cabbageandribs1875]

as i said back in september after reading about at just two of the claims i'm not too surprised at these verdicts


Benjamin Mendy found not guilty of six counts of rape - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-63677581)

Manchester City footballer Benjamin Mendy has been found not guilty of six counts of rape and one count of sexual assault.
Jurors could not reach verdicts on one count of rape and one of attempted rape, following a six-month trial at Chester Crown Court.


The prosecution sought a retrial on those counts and it has been scheduled for 26 June.


Louis Saha Matturie, 41, was also found not guilty of three counts of rape.


Jurors failed to reach verdicts on three counts of rape and three counts of sexual assault against him.

[LunasBoots]

as i said back in september after reading about at just two of the claims i'm not too surprised at these verdicts


Benjamin Mendy found not guilty of six counts of rape - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-63677581)

Manchester City footballer Benjamin Mendy has been found not guilty of six counts of rape and one count of sexual assault.
Jurors could not reach verdicts on one count of rape and one of attempted rape, following a six-month trial at Chester Crown Court.


The prosecution sought a retrial on those counts and it has been scheduled for 26 June.


Louis Saha Matturie, 41, was also found not guilty of three counts of rape.


Jurors failed to reach verdicts on three counts of rape and three counts of sexual assault against him.



Wow,

Just read some of the main points and can see why...

[H18 SFR]

Some of the stuff I read reported from the trials made me seriously doubt the accuracy of the accusations.

Not surprised at the verdicts in the slightest. The poor guy has been through so much.

[Allant1981]

The problem will be the first time he is back on a pitch the fans will still slaughter him regardless of the verdict

[The_Exile]

I’ll never understand why people are named before proven guilty, of any crime.

This was my post after the news broke and I stand by it. His career is effectively ruined, future earnings etc. There's no doubting he's a questionable character, but he's been proven now to have been falsely accused. He was found guilty by society before the trial had even started.

[Tyler Durden]

Still to face another trial for 2 counts is he not?

Not exactly time to claim he's been falsely accused.

[Mcbizz1998]

This was my post after the news broke and I stand by it. His career is effectively ruined, future earnings etc. There's no doubting he's a questionable character, but he's been proven now to have been falsely accused. He was found guilty by society before the trial had even started.

Absolutely agree. He will never shake this tag now, no matter what happens. To some people he will always be a rapist, his career and life have been changed irreparably. Shocking really.

[Mcbizz1998]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] let's wait for a jury to decide if a man with 9 or 10 counts of rape is guilty. Aye, all 9 are liars right enough

That aged well.

[Pretty Boy]

Still to face another trial for 2 counts is he not?

Not exactly time to claim he's been falsely accused.

It's such a tricky situation. In a legal sense he is an innocent man and remains so pending the outcome of the retrials. I think falsely accused is a loaded term though (not necessarily intentionally so).

Rape and sexual assault are such emotive subjects that they provoke a strong reactions from all sides. A phrase like 'falsely accused' potentially carries the implication that there was a nefarious or devious motive behind the complaint. Its worth remembering that it's entirely possible that the accusers still wholly believe they have been the victims of rape and in their eyes the accusation is anything but false. Of course that holds no weight in a legal sense but rape being the crime it is it's often down to how an individual or group of individuals perceive a situation as much as anything else.

An outcome of not guilty in a rape trial often brings about an unsettling sentiment of gleeful misogyny (not aimed at anyone on here, rather a wider observation). I recall after the Ched Evans retrial finding some of the comments aimed at the accuser on social media abhorrent. There was a concerted campaign, driven by men, to name said accuser (despite restrictions reporting this) and it was ultimately successful. As I understand it the individual in question is still very much of the belief she was raped and struggles both with that and the backlash which followed on a daily basis.

None of the above is meant to cast doubt on the verdict the jury reached, they make decisions based on the evidence presented to them. Rape is rarely a black or white issue though, a lone wolf abducting people from the streets with the intention to rape is exceptionally rare. It's most often a crime committed by someone known to the victim and/or something that evolves from a situation that started as broadly consensual. I certainly wouldn't like to be a juror in a rape trial, I've had direct involvement in 2 such cases and found both experiences exceptionally traumatic.

[500miles]

I don't think it's unfair to point out that there may be a racial element to how this case has been handled and who has taken what side. Not necessarily on this site, but the big bad black man is an all too popular trope.

[Stairway 2 7]

I don't think it's unfair to point out that there may be a racial element to how this case has been handled and who has taken what side. Not necessarily on this site, but the big bad black man is an all too popular trope.

Nonsense if a white player was accused of 9 counts of rape it would be the same.

Gilfi sigurdson hasn't been charged but career was over at 31 after being accused of offenses with a minor.

[Colr]

Irrespective of the verdict, he needs to take a long look at his behaviour.

Leaving aside ethics, at the very least he opens himself up to harmful accusations.

[Billy Whizz]

Nonsense if a white player was accused of 9 counts of rape it would be the same.

Gilfi sigurdson hasn't been charged but career was over at 31 after being accused of offenses with a minor.

What was the outcome of Gilfi’s alleged allegations

[H18 SFR]

What was the outcome of Gilfi’s alleged allegations

No charges. Back running his fishing company in Iceland. £38,000,000 turnover so I am sure he’s doing alright.

[Stairway 2 7]

What was the outcome of Gilfi’s alleged allegations

Not charged, but like Mendy the abuse was dished out as soon as it was announced. Your career is done as soon as your accused

[Tyler Durden]

It's such a tricky situation. In a legal sense he is an innocent man and remains so pending the outcome of the retrials. I think falsely accused is a loaded term though (not necessarily intentionally so).

Rape and sexual assault are such emotive subjects that they provoke a strong reactions from all sides. A phrase like 'falsely accused' potentially carries the implication that there was a nefarious or devious motive behind the complaint. Its worth remembering that it's entirely possible that the accusers still wholly believe they have been the victims of rape and in their eyes the accusation is anything but false. Of course that holds no weight in a legal sense but rape being the crime it is it's often down to how an individual or group of individuals perceive a situation as much as anything else.

An outcome of not guilty in a rape trial often brings about an unsettling sentiment of gleeful misogyny (not aimed at anyone on here, rather a wider observation). I recall after the Ched Evans retrial finding some of the comments aimed at the accuser on social media abhorrent. There was a concerted campaign, driven by men, to name said accuser (despite restrictions reporting this) and it was ultimately successful. As I understand it the individual in question is still very much of the belief she was raped and struggles both with that and the backlash which followed on a daily basis.

None of the above is meant to cast doubt on the verdict the jury reached, they make decisions based on the evidence presented to them. Rape is rarely a black or white issue though, a lone wolf abducting people from the streets with the intention to rape is exceptionally rare. It's most often a crime committed by someone known to the victim and/or something that evolves from a situation that started as broadly consensual. I certainly wouldn't like to be a juror in a rape trial, I've had direct involvement in 2 such cases and found both experiences exceptionally traumatic.

Yeah I agree with everything here

One can only imagine the trauma of women reporting these events and going through the horrendous legal process, weighted massively against them.

Whether Mendy ends up as a rapist in a criminal sense or not, he’s a loathsome individual and if his career is over, he’s nobody to blame but himself. ****.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

i've not followed anything the last week+ but reading about one witness/victim today that she visited his home 10 times, including AFTER he allegedly raped her, the last time i read any article on this the witness that time was texting her friend that she was going to "get f***ed" tonight, yes obviously rape is rape etc but just those two witnesses really do not come across well for the prosecution to prove rape


i've no idea what other witnesses/victims have been saying

Nobody has come across well in this sorry episode, accused or accusers. Of course it's still possible to be raped, or believe one self to have been raped, whilst behaving in what appears a questionable manner, including afterwards. Establishing the facts, never mind guilt or not in this case must have been a thankless task.

[Since90+2]

Still to face another trial for 2 counts is he not?

Not exactly time to claim he's been falsely accused.

Now also cleared of those allegations.

He's now been cleared of all charges against him I believe.

[500miles]

Did a couple of accusers early in his trial not get found to be manufacturing evidence? If he was guilty of anything, you can bet that would have weighed on the mind of any jury. If he wasn't, there was something very unsettling at play here.

[Since90+2]

Did a couple of accusers early in his trial not get found to be manufacturing evidence? If he was guilty of anything, you can bet that would have weighed on the mind of any jury. If he wasn't, there was something very unsettling at play here.

A lot of people had him guilty and wanted the key threw away even before a trial.

They'll be thankful if they ever find themselves falsely accused that we have a policy of innocent until proven guilty in this country.

[blackpoolhibs]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 let's wait for a jury to decide if a man with 9 or 10 counts of rape is guilty. Aye, all 9 are liars right enough

Oops.

[CL0762]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 let's wait for a jury to decide if a man with 9 or 10 counts of rape is guilty. Aye, all 9 are liars right enough

Let’s hope you’re never called to do jury duty in future.

[neil7908]

Oops.

And OJ Simpson is innocent. Justice is always correct yes?

Rape is notoriously hard to prosecute. I'm not sure GIRUY is the right response here.

[blackpoolhibs]

And OJ Simpson is innocent. Justice is always correct yes?

Rape is notoriously hard to prosecute. I'm not sure GIRUY is the right response here.

I've not bothered looking at the case, i probably presumed he was guilty if i'm honest, but he's been cleared of every case, yes every one.

He's not guilty irrespective of what we think.

[Tyler Durden]

Now also cleared of those allegations.

He's now been cleared of all charges against him I believe.

Yes. Doesn’t mean he was falsely accused.