Commercial report

[Helensburghhibs]

I see Aberdeen have released the following statement. Good vision but doesn't talk about any specifics to make the changes?

https://www.afc.co.uk/2022/08/15/shared-vision-and-strategy-paves-way-for-dramatic-uplift-in-scottish-football-revenues/

[number9dream]

BBC story up too. Very light on details.
Hopefully Ron can put some meat on the bones for us sometime soon.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/deloitte-review-vision-strategy-for-dramatic-uplift-in-scottish-football-revenues

Hibs have shared it now too

[gbhibby]

SPFL looks like it will get a proper shake up which is long long overdue..

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

No real information given, but sounds as though Rantic are on board, as are SPFL?

So why was the guardian running the story about the new TV deal last week?

[Antifa Hibs]

I'm assuming we'll remove ourselves from the 2.45 - 5.15pm blackout and sell more broadcasting rights for Saturday 3pm games? Which would put us inline with pretty much every league in Europe (except the EPL/EFL) that broadcasts the majority of their matches live.

[Pretty Boy]

Hard to really comment with the complete lack of detail provided.

Certainly seems ambitious and if Celtic and Rangers are on board then there is a chance the governing body will be as well. Until more detail is forthcoming then it's hard to comment on whether it is ambitious enough, realistic etc etc

[Billy Whizz]

Hard to really comment with the complete lack of detail provided.

Certainly seems ambitious and if Celtic and Rangers are on board then there is a chance the governing body will be as well. Until more detail is forthcoming then it's hard to comment on whether it is ambitious enough, realistic etc etc

That’s what Chris McLaughlin said on the bbc news tonight

[CropleyisGod]

Did I fall asleep or did the BBC not mention the report? STV had an interview with RJG. BBC too interested in the Sevco humping tomorrow night.


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[Billy Whizz]

Did I fall asleep or did the BBC not mention the report? STV had an interview with RJG. BBC too interested in the Sevco humping tomorrow night.


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BBC mentioned the report on the radio news around 5.30pm or so

[ScottB]

I'm assuming we'll remove ourselves from the 2.45 - 5.15pm blackout and sell more broadcasting rights for Saturday 3pm games? Which would put us inline with pretty much every league in Europe (except the EPL/EFL) that broadcasts the majority of their matches live.

Think UK Gov would have to ok that…

[McD]

Think UK Gov would have to ok that…


yeah I thought it was a government rule/law

[Antifa Hibs]

Think UK Gov would have to ok that…


yeah I thought it was a government rule/law

I think, according to some of the Scottish Football bloggers we're only voluntarily part of it. (Guess a bit like the Taylor Report regarding Hillsborough and terracing in top flight, law in England but not up here). If that is still the case its something we should probably be looking to change. Doesn't take much or knowledge to get an iptv sub. For a 50 quid firestick and tenner a month you can get every match live anyway - with the clubs not receiving a penny from it.

Other than sponsor can't think of any other way they'll raise £22m, certainly won't be from overseas rights. Other than ex-pats who's going to watch Scottish fitba!?

Either way, so long as it doesn't impact the fans too much the extra income will be most welcome.

[Juniper Greens]

I think, according to some of the Scottish Football bloggers we're only voluntarily part of it. (Guess a bit like the Taylor Report regarding Hillsborough and terracing in top flight, law in England but not up here). If that is still the case its something we should probably be looking to change. Doesn't take much or knowledge to get an iptv sub. For a 50 quid firestick and tenner a month you can get every match live anyway - with the clubs not receiving a penny from it.

Other than sponsor can't think of any other way they'll raise £22m, certainly won't be from overseas rights. Other than ex-pats who's going to watch Scottish fitba!?

Either way, so long as it doesn't impact the fans too much the extra income will be most welcome.

Correct, we are in voluntarily...however it would mean a Geo blackout being applied in England if we were to go ahead...

[04Sauzee]

EXCLUSIVE! Ron Gordon endorses new Sky Sports TV deal as Hibs supremo talks up 'home of the best football' | @ScottBurns75

https://t.co/RZhbjU5UI9 https://t.co/hqGpTHjHll

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/ron-gordon-hibs-past-grudges-24839237


Any thoughts. 80 Live TV games quite excessive though

[Centre Hawf]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/ron-gordon-hibs-past-grudges-24839237


Any thoughts. 80 Live TV games quite excessive though

It's an average of 2 games per game week on TV. If we get into a scenario where we regularly have the old firm away fixture + another non old firm related match on TV I think it will be a good thing for the game to showcase we're more than just they two.

[Billy Whizz]

It's an average of 2 games per game week on TV. If we get into a scenario where we regularly have the old firm away fixture + another non old firm related match on TV I think it will be a good thing for the game to showcase we're more than just they two.

Presume when you look at that way, maybe not excessive
Interesting that they are looking at PPV as well

[davhibby]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/ron-gordon-hibs-past-grudges-24839237


Any thoughts. 80 Live TV games quite excessive though

We should be looking to sell at least 80 games from 2025, not some random time in the future. Sky are only interested in about 40 games as they’ve shown in the last 2 years. You could give them 40 for what they pay us now and auction another 40 or so off and there would be interest.

People talk about us not having a comparable tv deal to the likes of Norway and Sweden etc yet they have a lot more games shown live. If we want £50 million a year eventually then 80 games is the least you could offer out.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'm assuming we'll remove ourselves from the 2.45 - 5.15pm blackout and sell more broadcasting rights for Saturday 3pm games? Which would put us inline with pretty much every league in Europe (except the EPL/EFL) that broadcasts the majority of their matches live.

Hope not. Brilliant rule

[RyeSloan]

Hope not. Brilliant rule

Why is it brilliant?

[MWHIBBIES]

Why is it brilliant?

Football shouldn't be broadcast at 3pm on Saturday. Fans should be going to see their team.

[CapitalGreen]

Football shouldn't be broadcast at 3pm on Saturday. Fans should be going to see their team.

How many fans do you reckon would stay away from a Hibs game Easter Road because Aberdeen v Motherwell was on the TV at 3pm?

[Chorley Hibee]

Football shouldn't be broadcast at 3pm on Saturday. Fans should be going to see their team.

Agreed.

Games being shown at 3pm would really hurt the attendances at a lot of Scottish clubs, particularly given the financial climate too.

[CapitalGreen]

Agreed.

Games being shown at 3pm would really hurt the attendances at a lot of Scottish clubs, particularly given the financial climate too.

In what way would attendances be really hurt? What televised SPFL fixture would you stay away from a game at Easter Road to watch?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Agreed.

Games being shown at 3pm would really hurt the attendances at a lot of Scottish clubs, particularly given the financial climate too.

Never mind the financial climate...imagine the real climate. P!%#ing it down at 3pm stay at home and watch your own team

[CapitalGreen]

Never mind the financial climate...imagine the real climate. P!%#ing it down at 3pm stay at home and watch your own team

Lifting the 3pm blackout doesn’t mean every SPFL game will be available for broadcast in the UK, you are confusing that with Sky allowing teams to stream all their home league games during the pandemic. The number of games broadcast in the UK will still be limited by the terms of the broadcast deal negotiated by the SPFL.

[Chorley Hibee]

Never mind the financial climate...imagine the real climate. P!%#ing it down at 3pm stay at home and watch your own team

Indeed.

We need to be thinking of ideas that make people attend in person, not ones that make it easier to stay at home.

[Chorley Hibee]

In what way would attendances be really hurt? What televised SPFL fixture would you stay away from a game at Easter Road to watch?

Me personally, none of them.

Somebody else might though.

[BoomtownHibees]

How many fans do you reckon would stay away from a Hibs game Easter Road because Aberdeen v Motherwell was on the TV at 3pm?

Probably none but if it was a Hibs game on the telly then folk would possibly choose to watch at home rather than go to ER

[RyeSloan]

Me personally, none of them.

Somebody else might though.

So someone will not go to a Hibs game because Aberdeen are on the telly?

It’s kind of just assumed that having a game on TV at 3pm will hurt attendances but I do wonder if that’s actually true and if so to what extent. especially if you consider that a lot of home match ‘attendance’ baked in via season ticket sales

Then it’s worth considering the way the U.K. market is set up with the English ban there could be a valuable revenue slot there on a Sat to exploit.

So much so that maybe the additional revenue it brings in would more than compensate for any reduction in crowds.

[BoomtownHibees]

So someone will not go to a Hibs game because Aberdeen are on the telly?

Prob not but if there was a Hibs game on the telly then maybe

[CapitalGreen]

Probably none but if it was a Hibs game on the telly then folk would possibly choose to watch at home rather than go to ER

There’s already Hibs games on the telly, all that lifting the 3pm blackout would do would allow them to be broadcast at 3pm as opposed to only at midday.

[chippy]

The additional market that would add revenue to say Hibs ,would be our away games that are not televised live. Our away games vs Rangers, Celtic , for example. We hardly get any away tickets and there would be a fair demand for those games from our fans if streamed live. Also I think there would be a fair demand for streaming all our other away games that aren’t televised live. Need to split that with the home club though. Home games against the likes of Aberdeen , Dundee United would attract streaming demand from their fans probably in decent numbers. Less so against the smaller clubs but could add up. It’s all about different parts of the overall market.
Another factor that could emerge is if they’re thinking of league re structure. If we had a 16 team league with splits and end of season additional play off type games for the League, Euro Places, Relegation that would increase the number of interesting games as teams fight to get in these crucial splits or to avoid the relegation one

[BoomtownHibees]

There’s already Hibs games on the telly, all that lifting the 3pm blackout would do would allow them to be broadcast at 3pm as opposed to only at midday.

The majority of games we already have on the telly just now are likely to be sell outs or close to. If we start broadcasting say Hibs v Motherwell at 3pm on a Sat, this could potentially keep folk away

[CapitalGreen]

The majority of games we already have on the telly just now are likely to be sell outs or close to. If we start broadcasting say Hibs v Motherwell at 3pm on a Sat, this could potentially keep folk away

The increase to 80 games would mean an extra 1/2 televised home games a season.

In return our revenues will increase meaning the amount teams can spend to attract better players increases resulting in higher quality football across the league, improving the quality of product for the the paying public. It will also help put the non-Old firm teams on a more level playing field financially with some of our continental neighbours which should improve results in European competition.

If someone wants to stay at home and watch a Hibs 3pm kick off just now there is much cheaper ways of doing so than paying for a Sky subscription, however those methods do nothing to improve the clubs revenues or increase the leagues exposure across the UK.

[RyeSloan]

The majority of games we already have on the telly just now are likely to be sell outs or close to. If we start broadcasting say Hibs v Motherwell at 3pm on a Sat, this could potentially keep folk away

Maybe marginally so but the vast majority of fans will have already paid for their attendance so the financial impact would be minimal / easily outweighed by the revenue from a revised TV deal.

So a few folk who have already paid for the game decide to stay at home once or twice a season v millions more from the TV companies….

100% an option worth exploring I’d say.

[green day]

The majority of games we already have on the telly just now are likely to be sell outs or close to. If we start broadcasting say Hibs v Motherwell at 3pm on a Sat, this could potentially keep folk away

It already happens in other countries, and the evidence from those territories doesnt support that theory.

[Billy Whizz]

Rangers causing havoc as usual

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11174501/Huge-150m-broadcast-deal-Sky-SPFL-jeopardy-Rangers-agree-extension.html

[MWHIBBIES]

How many fans do you reckon would stay away from a Hibs game Easter Road because Aberdeen v Motherwell was on the TV at 3pm?

Immediately? not many. Over the coarse of 10 or 15 years? Loads.


It would be OF games that would be broadcast and kids would slowly start watching them over spending the 30 odd quid to go to a match.