Stale

[Key West]

The season looks stale already, it looks like we'll be relying on Boyle, Marshall and Cadden to be the difference.

[tamig]

How can it be stale if its only just started? Still got players to return and others to fully integrate and get up to speed.

[SlickShoes]

Most teams rely on their best players

[Since452]

What teams don't rely on their best players?

[Libby Hibby]

The season looks stale already, it looks like we'll be relying on Boyle, Marshall and Cadden to be the difference.

Does it now? Interesting.

[matty_f]

There is some amount of hand wringing on here after a defeat.

[The Modfather]

The season looks stale already, it looks like we'll be relying on Boyle, Marshall and Cadden to be the difference.

I know the first few posts disagree with you but I’m inclined to agree. So far does it look particularly different from last season?

Heavily reliant on Marshal and Boyle to drag us above mediocrity. The same glaring gaps in midfield and also centreback remain. Still relying on the likes of Doidge, Newel, JDH, Campbell & Melkerson but expecting a different outcome, and a collection of young players with potential but questionable what they can offer in the short term.

[Key West]

There is some amount of hand wringing on here after a defeat.

I say this not with any glee.

[Alfred E Newman]

There is some amount of hand wringing on here after a defeat.

One fortunate win, one fortunate draw and a predictable defeat.
I would think that will be probably be the pattern for the season and with no cup football to look forward to till the new year it's no wonder the natives are restless.

[SlickShoes]

One fortunate win, one fortunate draw and a predictable defeat.
I would think that will be probably be the pattern for the season and with no cup football to look forward to till the new year it's no wonder the natives are restless.

A deserved win and a deserved draw.

[Lago]

There is some amount of hand wringing on here after a defeat.
Only after a defeat?

[Clarence]

There is some amount of hand wringing on here after a defeat.

I agree but there isn’t really any obvious improvement from the Maloney days, which weren’t an obvious improvement from the Ross days. So I can understand folk’s frustration.

[H18 SFR]

The season looks stale already, it looks like we'll be relying on Boyle, Marshall and Cadden to be the difference.

Is stale really the word you genuinely wanted to use? I’d be interested to hear you elaborate further to give us an idea of your thoughts?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hard to argue that to some extent it already is stale. There’s a full cup competition to be completed before the next one comes round. We’re already knocked out. From looking at our performances so far, Europe is nothing but a pipe dream.

Out of the competitions that are currently underway, we’re either knocked out already or the general feeling is that we’ll finish mid table or lower in the league. That’s pretty stale to me.

[SaulGoodman]

One fortunate win, one fortunate draw and a predictable defeat.
I would think that will be probably be the pattern for the season and with no cup football to look forward to till the new year it's no wonder the natives are restless.

What makes the win and the draw fortunate? Because the goals came late on?

Or are we just twisting the narrative to make yesterdays result seem worse?

[Silky]

What makes the win and the draw fortunate? Because the goals came late on?

Or are we just twisting the narrative to make yesterdays result seem worse?

It's absolutely twisting the narrative. There are never any references made to unfortunate draws or defeats.

[Shrekko]

The season looks stale already, it looks like we'll be relying on Boyle, Marshall and Cadden to be the difference.

Stale? There were wild scenes of celebration after our first 2 games.

I think there was plenty evidence in both our last 2 games that we are a much better side with Martin Boyle and really we should have won the game yesterday.

Having fans giving up after 3 games says more about the fans than the team to be honest. I've already seen numb skulls on social media calling for LJ's head and new players have been written off after 1 or 2 fleeting appearances.

As usual the "answer" in the eyes of such "fans" will be get rid of everyone and then if that does happen the new people will get about 3 weeks to transform the team and the cycle of discontent will repeat.

[JammyDoidger]

We are a strong centre half and quality centre mid away from being a decent side imo.

[He's here!]

There is some amount of hand wringing on here after a defeat.

A fourth straight defeat to Livi merits flak. Folk are rightly questioning what that's all about.

[SlickShoes]

A fourth straight defeat to Livi merits flak. Folk are rightly questioning what that's all about.

Also the fourth manager, so the managers arent even getting a chance to right the wrongs, it's an awful stat but the only way we will overcome it is by giving someone time to learn and adapt.

If we fire LJ then the next manager can also lose to Livi.

[Key West]

I stand by stale which is not only applicable to Hibs, we never learn from our mistakes, playing players out of position, not having the right attitude from the start, not being streetwise, talking the talk about playing with style, I'm not suggesting sacking a manager or criticising individual players but we seem to be in an everlasting transitional period which unfortunately can only be addressed by signing players of a better quality, otherwise we replace like for like, other fans on other forums will be saying the same things apart from Celtic and Rangers and possibly Hearts and I say that with reservations.

[Stokesy's on fire]

The season looks stale already, it looks like we'll be relying on Boyle, Marshall and Cadden to be the difference.

At least that means we arent a one man team

[Key West]

At least that means we arent a one man team

😂

[Iain G]

I stand by stale which is not only applicable to Hibs, we never learn from our mistakes, playing players out of position, not having the right attitude from the start, not being streetwise, talking the talk about playing with style, I'm not suggesting sacking a manager or criticising individual players but we seem to be in an everlasting transitional period which unfortunately can only be addressed by signing players of a better quality, otherwise we replace like for like, other fans on other forums will be saying the same things apart from Celtic and Rangers and possibly Hearts and I say that with reservations.

It can't be stale yet as we are still mixing the ingredients and the oven is just warming up...give it some time at least (or at yeast) 😁

[One Day Soon]

We are a strong centre half and quality centre mid away from being a decent side imo.

We are (though I'd argue something new is needed up front too). Unfortunately unless we actually sign such players that distance away is pretty enormous.

[Waxy]

Extreme moods on here after any result.
We will win and we will lose.Lets give ourselves a bit more time to gel everyone together.

[Key West]

It can't be stale yet as we are still mixing the ingredients and the oven is just warming up...give it some time at least (or at yeast) 😁

Hopefully that is the case I'm not convinced.

[Alfred E Newman]

It can't be stale yet as we are still mixing the ingredients and the oven is just warming up...give it some time at least (or at yeast) 😁

Maybe Ron Gordon needs to come up with more dough.

[Libby Hibby]

It can't be stale yet as we are still mixing the ingredients and the oven is just warming up...give it some time at least (or at yeast) 😁

Some players are still to ‘prove’ themselves at this level.

[keep the faith]

The season looks stale already, it looks like we'll be relying on Boyle, Marshall and Cadden to be the difference.

Jeez. Three games in....

Let the new team bed in man!!!

[Key West]

Maybe Ron Gordon needs to come up with more dough.

Some of them did look a bit half baked in the first half.

[badabing67]

The season looks stale already, it looks like we'll be relying on Boyle, Marshall and Cadden to be the difference.

How can you say the season looks stale already, when the football we have been watching this season, is an improvement on the football we were watching in the 2nd half of last season. LJ has nearly got as many leagues points as Shaun Maloney already and the football is much easier to watch for sure. I think there is plenty improvement in us.

[badabing67]

A deserved win and a deserved draw.

And a undeserved defeat, there goal came from a free kick that should of been a free kick to us imo

[Key West]

How can you say the season looks stale already, when the football we have have been watching this season, is an improvement on the football we were watching in the 2nd half of last season. LJ has nearly got as many leagues points as Shaun Maloney already and the football is much easier to watch for sure. I think there is plenty improvement in us.

Suppose it depends on wether you are easily pleased.

[Waxy]

Suppose it depends on wether you are easily pleased.You mean realistic?

[badabing67]

Suppose it depends on wether you are easily pleased.

Who said anything about being pleased, the football I'm watching this season is not as stale as the football i was watching last season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How can you say the season looks stale already, when the football we have been watching this season, is an improvement on the football we were watching in the 2nd half of last season. LJ has nearly got as many leagues points as Shaun Maloney already and the football is much easier to watch for sure. I think there is plenty improvement in us.

Since when did 4 points become almost as many as 22? 😂

[Key West]

Who said anything about being pleased, the football I'm watching this season is not as stale as the football i was watching last season.

Stale is an improvement from last season if you want to take a positive perspective.

[Highwayman]

The feelings of staleness and frustration will disappear when we hump the currant buns on Saturday.

or

The feelings of staleness and frustration will continue when the currant buns hump us on Saturday.

No coconuts for selecting what is more likely to be the outcome.

[tonyrougier123]

The feelings of staleness and frustration will disappear when we hump the currant buns on Saturday.

or

The feelings of staleness and frustration will continue when the currant buns hump us on Saturday.

No coconuts for selecting what is more likely to be the outcome.

A mind feeling like that when we beat them in the cup.
They’ve lost aribo and bassey and their new signings will be settling in.

We know they won’t sit in and defend so should be a good marker for us and where we are at atm.

Sneaky feeling we might just get a result off them.
They play tonight let’s hope they get rag dolled about ibrox 😁

[matty_f]

One fortunate win, one fortunate draw and a predictable defeat.
I would think that will be probably be the pattern for the season and with no cup football to look forward to till the new year it's no wonder the natives are restless.

Nothing fortunate about the win or the draw, this sort of stuff doesn’t help the conversation. We need to give credit where it’s due as much as we give criticism when it’s due.

If it’s down to late goals then the defeat was unfortunate - but it’s not, we got what we deserved on those three games.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Nothing fortunate about the win or the draw, this sort of stuff doesn’t help the conversation. We need to give credit where it’s due as much as we give criticism when it’s due.

If it’s down to late goals then the defeat was unfortunate - but it’s not, we got what we deserved on those three games.

Livi scored quite late on Saturday - is that predictable or unfortunate?

[Alfred E Newman]

Nothing fortunate about the win or the draw, this sort of stuff doesn’t help the conversation. We need to give credit where it’s due as much as we give criticism when it’s due.

If it’s down to late goals then the defeat was unfortunate - but it’s not, we got what we deserved on those three games.

Fair enough Matty, maybe the wrong choice of words but the OP was about a flatness and lack of enthusiasm so early in the season .
At the moment we have only 4 points from a possible 9 and no cup football to look forward to in the immediate future. The early signs are that this season is going to be another yet another mid table grind which certainly doesn't create much of a buzz for me.

[matty_f]

Fair enough Matty, maybe the wrong choice of words but the OP was about a flatness and lack of enthusiasm so early in the season .
At the moment we have only 4 points from a possible 9 and no cup football to look forward to in the immediate future. The early signs are that this season is going to be another yet another mid table grind which certainly doesn't create much of a buzz for me.
:aok: I understand.

I’m excited by the team, we’ve seen some glimpses of the potential and my opinion is that we’ve a handful of players that are going to improve week on week, so we will have an exciting and entertaining second half of the season.

My expectations aren’t that high right now, there’s a lot of work to be done in the training field to get the team where it needs to be, but i am confident that we’ve got the people in place and the means to do it. I could be wrong, obviously, but for now I’m keeping my enthusiasm and looking forward to a promising season.

[Steve20]

We are a strong centre half and quality centre mid away from being a decent side imo.

As we've needed for a few windows now and nothing ever gets done for those positions.

Out the league cup and our performances have been very poor in the 3 league games so far (one last minute winner against team that'll be bottom 2).

It's early enough for it to improve, but early signs are it's all a bit the same. Poor quality and boring to watch.

[Hibernian Verse]

It's mental that last minute goals are being spun as something negative.

[007]

It's mental that last minute goals are being spun as something negative.

Negative people find a negative in everything (except when assessing themselves). They'll say they're not being negative, it's just their opinion.

[Since452]

It's mental that last minute goals are being spun as something negative.

I think it's a brilliant trait to have. Livi scored late on Saturday but you could see they were still nervous about our late goal trend and we should have got it through Bojang.

[Greenio]

Stale? Nah

This team are only just in the oven

[Shrekko]

I think we've had players in key roles who've underperformed in the last 2 weeks and the 1st half v Livi was poor (I think LJ will have learnt a lot from it) but the type of football we seem to be trying to play is far more interesting than it was particularly under Maloney.

Youan I think will be a tremendous addition as his movement and ability to get on the end of long balls is something we haven't had for a while. When Boyle is back starting we won't be far off ....if we can get our attacking midfielder and new centre-half in.

[mjhibby]

It's absolutely twisting the narrative. There are never any references made to unfortunate draws or defeats.

No wonder i stay away from here for days after a defeat. Its not as if weve never struggled there. What chance has any manager with so much negativity. Should klopp go after two draws should ross and goodwin be binned now too. At least wait till the furst round of fixtures before making judgements. Its seems some people are never hapoy unless they are miserable. Imho of course.

[basehibby]

And a undeserved defeat, there goal came from a free kick that should of been a free kick to us imo

AND an unlucky draw - don't forget the cheating Yams' goal was hand ball!

I totally disagree with the OP. Sure the LC exit was disappointing.

But on the brighter side, we have a few players yet to get into their stride who could potentialy provide some goals & excitement, a clutch of players to come back from injury who we would hope to be influential, a manager who is playing a noticeably more adventurous style AND the potential to make signings over the next couple of weeks.

And lets not forget - we have Martin Boyle back in the side - a move that not many of us saw happening only a few weeks ago.

Stale??? You've got to be joking - it's been a rollercoaster so far and I expect more highs - and lows. But hopefully much more of the former than the latter.

[Key West]

Thank goodness for the return of Boyle
but apart from him what other player is going to take some responsibility, it's all potential and nothing else, maybe Henderson if he is played in the correct position and not shoe horned on to the left wing where it is clearly uncomfortable. I'm sticking with stale.

[GreenPJ]

Thank goodness for the return of Boyle
but apart from him what other player is going to take some responsibility, it's all potential and nothing else, maybe Henderson if he is played in the correct position and not shoe horned on to the left wing where it is clearly uncomfortable. I'm sticking with stale.

We need players back from injury/suspension - Mitchell, McGeady and Tavares could/would all play that left hand side role Henderson has had and that would then release him through the middle where I think we will see a lot of upside.

[Key West]

We need players back from injury/suspension - Mitchell, McGeady and Tavares could/would all play that left hand side role Henderson has had and that would then release him through the middle where I think we will see a lot of upside.


I agree and hopefully that will be sooner rather than later.

[GreenGray]

Thank goodness for the return of Boyle
but apart from him what other player is going to take some responsibility, it's all potential and nothing else, maybe Henderson if he is played in the correct position and not shoe horned on to the left wing where it is clearly uncomfortable. I'm sticking with stale.

Tbf I don’t think Newell or Porteous shy away from responsibility, their performances just haven’t been up the the standard yet.

How you can call a season stale after three league games is mental to me, let’s wait till after the first round of fixtures at least.


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[Key West]

Tbf I don’t think Newell or Porteous shy away from responsibility, their performances just haven’t been up the the standard yet.

How you can call a season stale after three league games is mental to me, let’s wait till after the first round of fixtures at least.


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Respect your opinion but I don't think it is mental and it is more than 3 games counting the cup farce. If things improve after the first round fixtures I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong and more importantly I'll be delighted.
Porteous needs to influence games like Boyle and Newell has to add more to his game he's a neat and tidy player at the moment, there are lots of them in this stale league.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Tbf I don’t think Newell or Porteous shy away from responsibility, their performances just haven’t been up the the standard yet.

How you can call a season stale after three league games is mental to me, let’s wait till after the first round of fixtures at least.


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I’m not sure it’s that mental. We’re out of the cup, the other one starts in 5 months, we don’t look a great side and we’re woefully short of quality right through the spine of the team and look every bit a mid table/bottom half team.

[jakeshibs]

The season looks stale already, it looks like we'll be relying on Boyle, Marshall and Cadden to be the difference.


Sorry but I think this is a very poor post three games into the start of a new season. We have signed new players who require to adjust to Scottish football and still have a few out injured, who will return.

[HoboHarry]

:doh:

[Key West]

[QUOTE=jakeshibs;7069517]Sorry but I think this is a very poor post three games into the start of a new season. We have signed new players who require to adjust to Scottish football and still have a few out injured, who will return.[/QUOTE

No need to apologise it's just opinions.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sorry but I think this is a very poor post three games into the start of a new season. We have signed new players who require to adjust to Scottish football and still have a few out injured, who will return.

7 games into the season.

It’s probably easier to feel like the season isn’t stale if you forget the fact we’re knocked out of one of the two competitions we can realistically win, but we’ve seen a decent bit competitive football from this side now.

[noz]

I know the first few posts disagree with you but I’m inclined to agree. So far does it look particularly different from last season?

Heavily reliant on Marshal and Boyle to drag us above mediocrity. The same glaring gaps in midfield and also centreback remain. Still relying on the likes of Doidge, Newel, JDH, Campbell & Melkerson but expecting a different outcome, and a collection of young players with potential but questionable what they can offer in the short term.

thats my view too.

[Key West]

The first half was stale the 2nd half certainly wasn't!😂

[Key West]

Who said anything about being pleased, the football I'm watching this season is not as stale as the football i was watching last season.

Did you feel that way after yesterday and today for example the Hibs score and performance, Rangers avoiding a red against Ross County, Celtic annihilating Dundee United.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Did you feel that way after yesterday and today for example the Hibs score and performance, Rangers avoiding a red against Ross County, Celtic annihilating Dundee United.

As much as you’ve taken a lot of stick for it, stale is exactly how I’d describe it as well.

We already know we’ve got next to no chance of qualifying for Europe this season, we’re out a cup already and won’t win the other one.

Stale really sums it all up perfectly.

[Hibees1973]

As much as you’ve taken a lot of stick for it, stale is exactly how I’d describe it as well.

We already know we’ve got next to no chance of qualifying for Europe this season, we’re out a cup already and won’t win the other one.

Stale really sums it all up perfectly.

Agreed.

It seems reality is starting to sink in to many of the readers on hibs.net who previously could not see what was happening before their own eyes.

Just hope those in charge at Hibs accept responsibility for their own incompetence and move on asap.

[Key West]

As much as you’ve taken a lot of stick for it, stale is exactly how I’d describe it as well.

We already know we’ve got next to no chance of qualifying for Europe this season, we’re out a cup already and won’t win the other one.

Stale really sums it all up perfectly.

It's genuinely how I feel about Hibs and Scottish football.