That sinking Feeling

[Mrimbetween]

Is it just me, even next week is massive against that shower:confused:

[SaulGoodman]

Oh aye, get beat next week and I’d say we’re almost certain to go down.

[H18 SFR]

Oh aye, get beat next week and I’d say we’re almost certain to go down.

I honestly can’t see how a point or 3 can be identified as relegation saving in game four.

Is this even logical?

[MWHIBBIES]

Behave. We're rubbish but we're not St Johnstone or St Mirren rubbish

[green day]

Is it just me, even next week is massive against that shower:confused:

Aye, its just you

[Steve20]

We won’t go down but we’re a bottom six club.

We are worse than we were this time last year. It’s an embarrassment and we’ve got people praising Ron Gordon for his running of the club, which is a joke.

[Pretty Boy]

I think this Hibs team, as it stand with the transfer window still open, is the very definition of mediocre.

Not good enough for 3rd or 4th but not bad enough for 10th, 11th or 12th. We are every inch a mid table side. The suggestions that we are a few games of gelling away from being European contenders seem wildly optimistic and misplaced from what I have seen this far but equally suggestions we are on the verge of a relegation dogfight are the opposite of that.

[Mikey_1875]

No, our issues are clear but there is definitely threat going forward in this team with Youan and Boyle. Completely different to the insipid performances under Maloney imo.

[SaulGoodman]

I honestly can’t see how a point or 3 can be identified as relegation saving in game four.

Is this even logical?

Nope. Exactly.

[Ronniekirk]

Behave. We're rubbish but we're not St Johnstone or St Mirren rubbish

St Mirren won today

[jeffers]

I’m not worried yet, it will all come down to who we appoint to replace LJ that will determine our fate this season.

[MWHIBBIES]

St Mirren won today

They're still absolutely dreadful.

[Callum_62]

We won’t go down but we’re a bottom six club.

We are worse than we were this time last year. It’s an embarrassment and we’ve got people praising Ron Gordon for his running of the club, which is a joke.

Wernt we top of the league in October last season?

Can you lists the areas of the running of the club that are "a joke?"

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[B.H.F.C]

Im not concerned in the slightest about us being in trouble this season. But we’re not going to be challenging for anything either.

Some of our recruitment (or lack of in certain positions) has me absolutely baffled.

[The Modfather]

Wernt we top of the league in October last season?

Can you lists the areas of the running of the club that are "a joke?"

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Recruitment.

[007]

St Mirren won today

Well done St Mirren!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Recruitment.

And it’s almost impossible to argue with that, although some will try.

The fact we’re still sitting here praying we’ll sign a centre mid and a centre back when they were the most critical positions and have been for transfer window after transfer window is laughable.

[Paul1642]

I feel like we have a good manager and a lot of good players. Our midfield is just too weak and that has the effect of putting too much pressure on the defence and little service for the attackers.

Just one really solid centre mid would make a huge difference. I just hope the club feel the same way and are making moves.

[ancient hibee]

Until we get a midfield who can control a game for most of the 90 minutes every game will be a struggle.

[JimBHibees]

Is it just me, even next week is massive against that shower:confused:

Sinking feeling about losing a game we shouldn't have and the ref did us no favours. Incredible reaction

[JimBHibees]

I’m not worried yet, it will all come down to who we appoint to replace LJ that will determine our fate this season.

Jeezo

[B.H.F.C]

Sinking feeling about losing a game we shouldn't have and the ref did us no favours. Incredible reaction

We only really turned up for half an hour today. We lacked quality all over the park and Livingston should have had the game done when Marshall saved from Nouble in the first half, before we’d even been up the park ourselves.

You won’t win many games if you don’t turn up for the majority of it. We got what we deserved for lack of quality at both ends of the park.

[jeffers]

Jeezo

I know it’s early days but RG has shown little patience with managers especially when the crowd aren’t happy. But unless there is a big turnaround it’s looking like another poor season to me.

[Trinity Hibee]

And it’s almost impossible to argue with that, although some will try.

The fact we’re still sitting here praying we’ll sign a centre mid and a centre back when they were the most critical positions and have been for transfer window after transfer window is laughable.

This. Anyone who says recruitment isn’t a problem must be joking. For far too long we have needed a CB and CM and we have not recruited anyone to dislodge Hanlon,Newell etc.

Sadly Hanlon, Doidge, McGregor (not so much Stevenson) and many other senior players are not contributing enough but are taking up a big chunk of the wage bill. We need a clean slate and that has to happen in the next couple of windows.

Too early to write them off but early signs for Tavares, Bojang and Rocky haven’t convinced many. Add those 3 to the performances of newell, Hanlon, campbell and even Porteous and we are on the slide. I do have hope for Kenneh, Youan and getting Boyle back is really saving us from a relegation battle. Marshall also will win us a lot of points this year.

We have no urgency in games in general build up play and not enough players contributing goals, assists. That cannot be argued.

[Billy McKirdy]

It’s just another typical week to be a Hibby, last minute draw against that lot last week giving us hope then next time we get beat, doom and gloom and we’re going doon.
There’s no grey areas being a Hibby, it’s positively bi-polar.

[CMac1988]

I’m not worried yet, it will all come down to who we appoint to replace LJ that will determine our fate this season.

Maybe someday the penny will drop and we'll start replacing players who aren't good enough.

[degenerated]

Is it just me, even next week is massive against that shower:confused:Just you

[LewysGot2]

This. Anyone who says recruitment isn’t a problem must be joking. For far too long we have needed a CB and CM and we have not recruited anyone to dislodge Hanlon,Newell etc.

Sadly Hanlon, Doidge, McGregor (not so much Stevenson) and many other senior players are not contributing enough but are taking up a big chunk of the wage bill. We need a clean slate and that has to happen in the next couple of windows.

Too early to write them off but early signs for Tavares, Bojang and Rocky haven’t convinced many. Add those 3 to the performances of newell, Hanlon, campbell and even Porteous and we are on the slide. I do have hope for Kenneh, Youan and getting Boyle back is really saving us from a relegation battle. Marshall also will win us a lot of points this year.

We have no urgency in games in general build up play and not enough players contributing goals, assists. That cannot be argued.

Bit perplexed at some of this. Rocky has been one of the best players this season? Think that's not even been a controversial opinion, either. He's been better than Porteous. Been at all of the games and Rocky would be in the top 3 most consistent- and not in a bad way.

[jeffers]

Maybe someday the penny will drop and we'll start replacing players who aren't good enough.

If only. We end up giving them new contracts.

[Stokesy's on fire]

We really have to bring in a quality midfield player if not then it could be one of those roller coaster seasons.

[Trinity Hibee]

Bit perplexed at some of this. Rocky has been one of the best players this season? Think that's not even been a controversial opinion, either. He's been better than Porteous. Been at all of the games and Rocky would be in the top 3 most consistent- and not in a bad way.

I’m not so sure about that. He doesn’t look comfortable and saw a few fresh air swings/miskicks last week. Doesn’t have any awareness for a CB. Well aware he hasn’t been the worst since the start of the season but it’s not saying much with many of this squad.

Also missed Cabraja who I have been very impressed with.

[Zambernardi1875]

My only concern is LG hasn’t fixed the glaringly obvious problems that were staring him in the face in the league cup games.

[LewysGot2]

I’m not so sure about that. He doesn’t look comfortable and saw a few fresh air swings/miskicks last week. Doesn’t have any awareness for a CB. Well aware he hasn’t been the worst since the start of the season but it’s not saying much with many of this squad.

Also missed Cabraja who I have been very impressed with.

Missed Cabraja? In what way?

He played.

Sorry do you mean you omitted him?

Didn't think today he was particularly great. Also getting booked an awful lot. Lewy will need to be back soon as he'll undoubted get a suspension.

[Trinity Hibee]

Missed Cabraja? In what way?

He played.

As in I missed him off my original post. I have been impressed with him. What gets me is the CB and CM positions when we could see these areas needed improvement over a year ago and we are still waiting. That is a failure on the recruitment side

[chrisski33]

Always a chance the players somehow raise the game against The Rangers and get a win or a draw then lose St.Mirren tge following week after raising our hopes for the season.

[Sir David Gray]

I don't think we'll be in danger of relegation this season but I also can't say that we won't be in danger of relegation with any degree of certainty.

I think the signings of Marshall and Boyle will see us pick up points that we wouldn't have otherwise got but I do think we still have a very mediocre squad overall and the inadequacies which saw us pick up just 3 points more than St Johnstone over the last 30 games of last season haven't really been addressed.

Based on what I've seen so far (and I accept it is still early doors) we are in for another bottom six finish.

[Halifaxhibby]

Is it just me, even next week is massive against that shower:confused:

Every game will be massive all season. How Hanlon gets on the pitch bemuses me.

[Libby Hibby]

I feel like we have a good manager and a lot of good players. Our midfield is just too weak and that has the effect of putting too much pressure on the defence and little service for the attackers.

Just one really solid centre mid would make a huge difference. I just hope the club feel the same way and are making moves.

100% or just play Dylan Tait and see what happens, it can’t be any worse than Newell playing every week

[brianmc]

My only concern is LG hasn’t fixed the glaringly obvious problems that were staring him in the face in the league cup games.

Poor Sparky! Getting the blame even when he's on the other side of the world 😉

[JimBHibees]

It’s just another typical week to be a Hibby, last minute draw against that lot last week giving us hope then next time we get beat, doom and gloom and we’re going doon.
There’s no grey areas being a Hibby, it’s positively bi-polar.

Yep it is ridiculous over reactionary and helps no one

[Zambernardi1875]

Poor Sparky! Getting the blame even when he's on the other side of the world 😉

Haha, oops 😬. Surprised nobody has called me a Jambo yet

[HoboHarry]

Haha, oops ��. Surprised nobody has called me a Jambo yet
Yer a Jambo.

[The Captain....]

I thought 8th or 9th place finish before the season started . Mainly due to new manager, high turnover of players, injuries and inexperienced youngsters in key positions.

We'll trundle along winning the odd game, drawing more and losing a good few but I don't think we're bad enough to go down.

Rangers game will be a totally different game than today, I don't see us winning it but a draw would be a decent result. Bit concerned with how easy it has been on a few occasions to walk thru us but hopefully they'll iron it out on the training ground this week.

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[B.H.F.C]

I don't think we'll be in danger of relegation this season but I also can't say that we won't be in danger of relegation with any degree of certainty.

I think the signings of Marshall and Boyle will see us pick up points that we wouldn't have otherwise got but I do think we still have a very mediocre squad overall and the inadequacies which saw us pick up just 3 points more than St Johnstone over the last 30 games of last season haven't really been addressed.

Based on what I've seen so far (and I accept it is still early doors) we are in for another bottom six finish.

Agree with the point on Marshall and Boyle. Even today, Marshall keeps us in the game first half then has a really good save second half as well before they did score. For all we had a lot of pressure, their goalie had a pretty easy day.

It’s going to be back to giving the ball to Boyle and hoping he can do something. I find it really frustrating as, unlike some, I don’t think it’s down to lack of investment or backing for the manager. Still look like a team without any real plan for me.

[ancient hibee]

G
I thought 8th or 9th place finish before the season started . Mainly due to new manager, high turnover of players, injuries and inexperienced youngsters in key positions.

We'll trundle along winning the odd game, drawing more and losing a good few but I don't think we're bad enough to go down.

Rangers game will be a totally different game than today, I don't see us winning it but a draw would be a decent result. Bit concerned with how easy it has been on a few occasions to walk thru us but hopefully they'll iron it out on the training ground this week.

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A draw against Rangers wouldn’t be a decent result. It would be a miracle.

[Ronniekirk]

Problem is Ron Gordon has stated this squad should finish in the top four
As things stand we really don’t look like a top four team .Two quality signings and a couple of our injured players back snd on form could change that
But with so many new signings and do many players without a lot of experience at this level am not sure top four is realistic

[greenlex]

Agree with the point on Marshall and Boyle. Even today, Marshall keeps us in the game first half then has a really good save second half as well before they did score. For all we had a lot of pressure, their goalie had a pretty easy day.

It’s going to be back to giving the ball to Boyle and hoping he can do something. I find it really frustrating as, unlike some, I don’t think it’s down to lack of investment or backing for the manager. Still look like a team without any real plan for me.
There goalie made as many good saves as Marshall did if not more.

[LunasBoots]

Is it just me, even next week is massive against that shower:confused:

If we can't defend against Livi we won't have much chance next week, our record against Sevco is atrocious in recent times.

[NAE NOOKIE]

****ing groundhog day.

[B.H.F.C]

There goalie made as many good saves as Marshall did if not more.

He didn’t, we had less shots on target than them for a start.

That aside, I can’t remember us properly testing their goalie. Marshall has made a save one on one from Nouble to keep us in the game first half. And he had a brilliant save in the second half. We showed zero quality when we had the ball in and around their box.

Only save of any note I can remember was from Youan’s shot near the end, which he almost made a meal of.

[BoomtownHibees]

There goalie made as many good saves as Marshall did if not more.

Can only really remember their goalie saving a long range effort from Youan

[Since452]

Looks like another season where Hearts need to do absolutely nothing to finish 3rd by virtue of every other team being crap. Hibs, Aberdeen and Dundee United all in transition.

[Sir David Gray]

Agree with the point on Marshall and Boyle. Even today, Marshall keeps us in the game first half then has a really good save second half as well before they did score. For all we had a lot of pressure, their goalie had a pretty easy day.

It’s going to be back to giving the ball to Boyle and hoping he can do something. I find it really frustrating as, unlike some, I don’t think it’s down to lack of investment or backing for the manager. Still look like a team without any real plan for me.

There definitely isn't a lack of investment, we certainly can't put the blame on that but I do think the talent identification and recruitment need to be seriously improved.

[McGruber]

Don't get a sinking feeling for the season - just a gut wrenching feeling on losing the game. Also get that weary feeling from the fans reaction to every loss. Lose a game and everyone is awful, getting relegated and win a game and only a player or two short of a good team going for Europe.

We got beat away to Livi courtesy of a shocking 1st half and losing a late goal. We'll play crap again this season and we will lose games, every team will.

IMO we will finish no lower than 5th and no higher than 3rd. Probably 4th. We will qualify for Europe through the league.

As for relegation chat, do me a favour and pull up your big boy pants

[B.H.F.C]

Don't get a sinking feeling for the season - just a gut wrenching feeling on losing the game. Also get that weary feeling from the fans reaction to every loss. Lose a game and everyone is awful, getting relegated and win a game and only a player or two short of a good team going for Europe.

We got beat away to Livi courtesy of a shocking 1st half and losing a late goal. We'll play crap again this season and we will lose games, every team will.

IMO we will finish no lower than 5th and no higher than 3rd. Probably 4th. We will qualify for Europe through the league.

As for relegation chat, do me a favour and pull up your big boy pants

Think it’s fairly difficult to predict who will finish where because, despite a lot of the hype, nobody seems to be really improving. I know it’s early doors but we don’t look any better, Aberdeen don’t, Dundee Utd don’t.

It could be another season where someone manages to get fourth on the basis of them just being less **** that the rest (like Utd last season) rather than actually being a decent side themselves.

We have signed two really good individuals in Marshall and Boyle who will win us points with their own big moments but we still don’t look like a functioning team. We’ve not improved on what we had defensively, not addressed the glaring midfield issue and have a bunch of forward players who offer little goal threat (Boyle aside).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don't get a sinking feeling for the season - just a gut wrenching feeling on losing the game. Also get that weary feeling from the fans reaction to every loss. Lose a game and everyone is awful, getting relegated and win a game and only a player or two short of a good team going for Europe.

We got beat away to Livi courtesy of a shocking 1st half and losing a late goal. We'll play crap again this season and we will lose games, every team will.

IMO we will finish no lower than 5th and no higher than 3rd. Probably 4th. We will qualify for Europe through the league.

As for relegation chat, do me a favour and pull up your big boy pants

I think the relegation chat has as much merit as the idea we’ll finish between 3rd and 5th. With this squad, both are unlikely. This squad is destined for 7th, 8th or 9th imo.

[MWHIBBIES]

Boyle, Cadden, Porto, Marshall, and hopefully nisbet when he's back should be enough to see us top 6. Recruitment has really been poor though. Spending fortunes on kids when first team is very average

[JimBHibees]

G

A draw against Rangers wouldn’t be a decent result. It would be a miracle.

Hardly a miracle

[JimBHibees]

Don't get a sinking feeling for the season - just a gut wrenching feeling on losing the game. Also get that weary feeling from the fans reaction to every loss. Lose a game and everyone is awful, getting relegated and win a game and only a player or two short of a good team going for Europe.

We got beat away to Livi courtesy of a shocking 1st half and losing a late goal. We'll play crap again this season and we will lose games, every team will.

IMO we will finish no lower than 5th and no higher than 3rd. Probably 4th. We will qualify for Europe through the league.

As for relegation chat, do me a favour and pull up your big boy pants

Absolutely. New manager a number of new players it will always take some time. Losing basic goals isn't going to help that is for sure. Personally thought second half we were in the main good and were very dominant on the whole however defensively we look suspect not sure Kenneh has fully looked up to the speed defensively as that is two goals in two games he should have done better imo. Yohan looks a real talent to me and him and Boyle look a real threat. Need a decent central striker though. Personally think JDH should come in for Hendo who has been a little disappointing the last two matches as we will need to keep the ball better and he is probably the best we have at that. Cadden at right back defensively is a concern to me and he thought of Kent running at him is a worry. We will need to have decent support defensively wide.

[ancient hibee]

It's not keeping possession that's the problem. It's using the ball in parts of the field that matter instead of passing it back and across 20 yards either side of the half way line.

[HendoDelivered]

Boyle, Cadden, Porto, Marshall, and hopefully nisbet when he's back should be enough to see us top 6. Recruitment has really been poor though. Spending fortunes on kids when first team is very average

Last sentence is bang on.

[PaulSmith]

It's not keeping possession that's the problem. It's using the ball in parts of the field that matter instead of passing it back and across 20 yards either side of the half way line.

Did you actually believe LJ when he said, like every manager before him, that we’d play fast attacking high pressing football.

It’s soundbytes, the same guff that Ross and Maloney came out with as the PR team tell him that’s what we want to hear.

[GreenGray]

This core group of players have been through what 4 managers in the last year including David Gray? And within the last year all 4 managers have struggled to get a consistent decent tune out of them.

Whilst I don’t think all 4 managers are world beaters I do find it interesting that they have all struggled. I see Stevie Hammell a rookie manager getting a good win away at Aberdeen yesterday with a very poor Motherwell squad and wonder if we could pull a result out like that.

Whilst some blame has to lie with manager I just don’t think this group of players are good enough and haven’t been for a while so you’d have to say recruitment is the main issue.

It’s been painfully obvious we’ve needed a left sided centre half and some creative/goal scoring centre midfielders for a long while now and I just don’t understand why these issues haven’t been addressed.


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[FilipinoHibs]

I am afraid this is going to be another expensive failed experiment.

[Since452]

Amazing what a difference a late goal can make. If we'd won or even drawn yesterday as we deserved to we'd have been talking about a brilliant start to the season. Fine margins.

[B.H.F.C]

Did you actually believe LJ when he said, like every manager before him, that we’d play fast attacking high pressing football.

It’s soundbytes, the same guff that Ross and Maloney came out with as the PR team tell him that’s what we want to hear.

I think there is some quite clear signs that he does want to play that way.

Biggest problem we have is lack of quality in some key positions. And for some bizarre reason, a lack of willingness to do anything about it (or see it).

[B.H.F.C]

Amazing what a difference a late goal can make. If we'd won or even drawn yesterday as we deserved to we'd have been talking about a brilliant start to the season. Fine margins.

I don’t think we deserved to win yesterday. The first 45 minutes were shocking and game should have been over. Then we played really well for half an hour but lacked can’t put the ball in the net and failed to defend properly.

It’s not fine margins, it’s lack of quality.

[RIP]

I thought 8th or 9th place finish before the season started . Mainly due to new manager, high turnover of players, injuries and inexperienced youngsters in key positions

I think that’s what the majority of Hibs supporters expect as an outcome for this season. That’s the result of developing a three squad strategy and binning and signing around a dozen players. It takes about half a season or more to build a settled team out of a squad of 30-40 players. ( I’m including the development squad in that number.)

Unless we are in the relegation zone for months on end, we will stick with the management team. To do otherwise would undo all the time, energy and investment in Ron’s five year project. And as has been proven time and time again at Easter Road, the lack of a settled team who feel part of a club and fight for the jerseys has been our greatest failure.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t think we deserved to win yesterday. The first 45 minutes were shocking and game should have been over. Then we played really well for half an hour but lacked can’t put the ball in the net and failed to defend properly.

It’s not fine margins, it’s lack of quality.

Yup.

It’s quite a stretch to say we deserved to win imo. For every bit we were pretty good most of the second half, we were worse than that in the first half.

A draw was probably a fair result, but I really don’t think we deserved to win.

[HFC93]

I still think we'll do well this season but will be up and down week to week. I like Lee Johnson and I'm convinced he'll get it right.

[Iain G]

I am afraid this is going to be another expensive failed experiment.

I don't agree, but LJ has already clearly said it will take a few transfer windows to get the team and squad right. We have signed some key players and getting Boyle back is an amazing bit of business.

Maybe we can let them build it and see where we get to?!

[SlickShoes]

I don’t really see a way to move on instantly and become immediately better without replacing literally everyone. The main problems we have are issues that remain from last season, obviously we sign players to replace them but we also have to move them on and we can’t pass up signing other good players on the off chance we can force someone like doidge to leave.

I think the recruitment and manager know what needs to be done but we have a huge hangover from mistakes made last year with contracts to players that offer almost nothing to the way we now want to play.

[hibsbollah]

I think that’s what the majority of Hibs supporters expect as an outcome for this season. That’s the result of developing a three squad strategy and binning and signing around a dozen players. It takes about half a season or more to build a settled team out of a squad of 30-40 players. ( I’m including the development squad in that number.)

Unless we are in the relegation zone for months on end, we will stick with the management team. To do otherwise would undo all the time, energy and investment in Ron’s five year project. And as has been proven time and time again at Easter Road, the lack of a settled team who feel part of a club and fight for the jerseys has been our greatest failure.

Best post I’ve seen for a while, well said.

[Ronniekirk]

There definitely isn't a lack of investment, we certainly can't put the blame on that but I do think the talent identification and recruitment need to be seriously improved.
We have been saying that for a few windows now so not sure how we are going to achieve that as the set up has been changed and we are wedded to the philosophy of buying young t talent and hoping they can be developed in the B Team as our medium to long term strategy
But at the same time Ron thinks we should also be finishing top four
At present the latter looks unrealistic and we won’t know for another season or two how the B Team players develop
Our injury list is still high which isn’t helping iether
Our Midfield are all on long term contracts so movement there is difficult
Nisbet needs to be back scoring in October or we are going to be struggling potentially
Livingston clearky have a structure in place thst is good at identifying players thst can come into Their system and get results thst mean they outperform us as things stand
Ron now needs to stick with his plan but in the short term he needs to find the cash for a couple of quality players and our scouting system needs to identify the right players
Lee did say he thought he would need a few months to get a team playing the way he wants them
Judging by his comments post match he knows he needs more players in

[Sir David Gray]

Amazing what a difference a late goal can make. If we'd won or even drawn yesterday as we deserved to we'd have been talking about a brilliant start to the season. Fine margins.

If Livingston had taken their chances in the first half they would have been out of sight.

Based purely on the fact it was only 1-0 at half time our second half performance probably merited at least a point but that first 45 minutes yesterday was absolutely dreadful and being completely honest we can't expect to get anything when we're starting matches so poorly.

Unfortunately I think next week will be a write off but we need a big performance and win the week after against St Mirren. It's a fixture we usually do well in so that needs to continue.

[gbhibby]

https://youtu.be/TvJ_n1SujJw
Thought that was what the thread title was all about.[emoji16]

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[Springbank]

Wernt we top of the league in October last season?

Can you lists the areas of the running of the club that are "a joke?"

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Being knocked out the League Cup because our new Football Operations Manager didn't pick up on the fact one of our players was ineligible having picked up two bookings

This is really, really not normal, neither is it professional

It is - as you asked for examples- evidence of a joke/ lack of focus

[superfurryhibby]

Amazing what a difference a late goal can make. If we'd won or even drawn yesterday as we deserved to we'd have been talking about a brilliant start to the season. Fine margins.

Whilst there's definitely an element of unpredictability around how this squad will shape up, I suspect many of us are expecting a lot more of what we saw yesterday.

[BoomtownHibees]

Being knocked out the League Cup because our new Football Operations Manager didn't pick up on the fact one of our players was ineligible having picked up two bookings

This is really, really not normal, neither is it professional

It is - as you asked for examples- evidence of a joke/ lack of focus

We would been out anyway

[LewysGot2]

I still think we'll do well this season but will be up and down week to week. I like Lee Johnson and I'm convinced he'll get it right.


I think he's a decent egg too. He's not some naive purist like Maloney, he's not the conservative cardi wearing Ross where 1-0 seemed to be the aim and he's not totally devoid of knowledge of our city, game and expectations.

I detected that he got tough with them yesterday at HT and he clearly wasn't happy at FT. He's authentic and I believe him when he says he will always set out to win each game. He might not always succeed but that will be the aim. After JR and SM and also PH I'm just delighted to hear that. I don't think we'll be waiting for 80 mins before a substitution is deployed to try and change a game too late.

I really want him to succeed.

[Allant1981]

Being knocked out the League Cup because our new Football Operations Manager didn't pick up on the fact one of our players was ineligible having picked up two bookings

This is really, really not normal, neither is it professional

It is - as you asked for examples- evidence of a joke/ lack of focus

Thats not the truth though is it

[vuefrom1875]

Is it just me, even next week is massive against that shower:confused:

Great film.

[007]

Yup.

It’s quite a stretch to say we deserved to win imo. For every bit we were pretty good most of the second half, we were worse than that in the first half.

A draw was probably a fair result, but I really don’t think we deserved to win.

Who said we deserved to win? Nobody as far as I can see. We didn't deserve to win and neither did Livi, given that their 2nd goal was from a free kick that definitely should never have been given to them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who said we deserved to win? Nobody as far as I can see. We didn't deserve to win and neither did Livi, given that their 2nd goal was from a free kick that definitely should never have been given to them.

“If we’d won or even drawn yesterday, as we’d deserved to” was the post that I was discussing.

[Iain G]

I think he's a decent egg too. He's not some naive purist like Maloney, he's not the conservative cardi wearing Ross where 1-0 seemed to be the aim and he's not totally devoid of knowledge of our city, game and expectations.

I detected that he got tough with them yesterday at HT and he clearly wasn't happy at FT. He's authentic and I believe him when he says he will always set out to win each game. He might not always succeed but that will be the aim. After JR and SM and also PH I'm just delighted to hear that. I don't think we'll be waiting for 80 mins before a substitution is deployed to try and change a game too late.

I really want him to succeed.

I liked how he clearly identified the issue of us not playing the ball forward quickly and too many side and back safe passes, he identifies the problem and can try fix it and he needs his players to be progressive and brave on the ball for this to work

[jacomo]

I feel like we have a good manager and a lot of good players. Our midfield is just too weak and that has the effect of putting too much pressure on the defence and little service for the attackers.

Just one really solid centre mid would make a huge difference. I just hope the club feel the same way and are making moves.


Spot on.

This was the glaring issue last season, expecting to fix that by signing a 19 year old who has never played first team football is crazy.

[007]

“If we’d won or even drawn yesterday, as we’d deserved to” was the post that I was discussing.

Wrong.

"If we'd won..." is the first part pf the sentence which is followed by ".. or even drawn yesterday as we deserved to" is the next part of the sentence so it is sayimg we deserved a draw. The "deserved to" part is sperate from the reference to a win.

I notice you have added a comma after "yesterday" that wasn't in the original post, therby changing the meaning and making it look like it says we deserved a win or a draw. Which is not what the original post said i.e. "If we'd won or even drawn yesterday as we deserved to..."

[Since452]

Wrong.

"If we'd won..." is the first part pf the sentence which is followed by ".. or even drawn yesterday as we deserved to" is the next part of the sentence so it is sayimg we deserved a draw. The "deserved to" part is sperate from the reference to a win.

I notice you have added a comma after "yesterday" that wasn't in the original post, therby changing the meaning and making it look like it says we deserved a win or a draw. Which id not what the original post said i.e. "If we'd won or even drawn yesterday as we deserved to..."

Yup. It was my post and I ment we deserved a draw not a win

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wrong.

"If we'd won..." is the first part pf the sentence which is followed by ".. or even drawn yesterday as we deserved to" is the next part of the sentence so it is sayimg we deserved a draw. The "deserved to" part is sperate from the reference to a win.

I notice you have added a comma after "yesterday" that wasn't in the original post, therby changing the meaning and making it look like it says we deserved a win or a draw. Which is not what the original post said i.e. "If we'd won or even drawn yesterday as we deserved to..."

Ok. There is other posts elsewhere that say we should have won though so the point still stands.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yup. It was my post and I ment we deserved a draw not a win

:aok:

[Hibiza]

We're playing " transfer roulette " - buy enough one perhaps two will come up. Why oh why , can't we buy a few , fit , seasoned and tested professionals.

[Iain G]

We're playing " transfer roulette " - buy enough one perhaps two will come up. Why oh why , can't we buy a few , fit , seasoned and tested professionals.

Like Marshall or Boyle or Cabraja or McGeady (injured after he signed!)?

[bod]

Is it just me, even next week is massive against that shower:confused:

Since you get the same points for winning & drawing every league game then they’re all massive

[JimBHibees]

If Livingston had taken their chances in the first half they would have been out of sight.

Based purely on the fact it was only 1-0 at half time our second half performance probably merited at least a point but that first 45 minutes yesterday was absolutely dreadful and being completely honest we can't expect to get anything when we're starting matches so poorly.

Unfortunately I think next week will be a write off but we need a big performance and win the week after against St Mirren. It's a fixture we usually do well in so that needs to continue.

Out of sight really only other chance apart from our gift was Noublie again.

[Fergus52]

I think this Hibs team, as it stand with the transfer window still open, is the very definition of mediocre.

Not good enough for 3rd or 4th but not bad enough for 10th, 11th or 12th. We are every inch a mid table side. The suggestions that we are a few games of gelling away from being European contenders seem wildly optimistic and misplaced from what I have seen this far but equally suggestions we are on the verge of a relegation dogfight are the opposite of that.

We aren't great but we will compete for Europe.

5th place gets Europe now, hearts are a better side than us and possibly Aberdeen as well.

But even with the weaknesses in this team who else in the league would you say will definitely come above us? Cause Motherwell and Dundee utd are both pretty poor.

[Basildon Hibs]

And it’s almost impossible to argue with that, although some will try.

The fact we’re still sitting here praying we’ll sign a centre mid and a centre back when they were the most critical positions and have been for transfer window after transfer window is laughable.

👍

[Sir David Gray]

Out of sight really only other chance apart from our gift was Noublie again.

They had 3 shots on target in the first half, if they had taken that chance that Nouble had then it was probably game over.