Meadowbank

[Glory Lurker]

It's taking some hammering from League 1 fans. It is never a football stadium and FC Edinburgh is getting a lot of flack. Photos today of Pars fans watching from flat ground at the back of the bend of the track show it up horribly.

I hope our women's team outgrows it quickly.

[MWHIBBIES]

It literally is not a football stadium, was never planned to be.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's taking some hammering from League 1 fans. It is never a football stadium and FC Edinburgh is getting a lot of flack. Photos today of Pars fans watching from flat ground at the back of the bend of the track show it up horribly.

I hope our women's team outgrows it quickly.

Absolute farce seeing as the council had a blank canvas, not fit for leith athletic. The council just wanted a way to sell off some land and knew they had to stick up some sort of "stadium"

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

I was running there last week.

It’s a sports centre, not a stadium. Devoid of a shred of creativity. Our nation’s capital’s main sports facility…

It looks horrible.
The viewing area/terracing is tiny
The viewing area/terracing is STILL in the shade, a flaw of the last stand
The Stand obstructs any competitors from doing so with Arthur’s seat as a view, who they chose to obstruct this landmark is beyond me
The indoor running track is 50 metres shorter.
NO athletic events can be held there due to incorrect placing of the viewing chamber (means lanes 7 and 8 can’t be seen)

There is so little creativity involved, it’s incredibly disappointing


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[Stairway 2 7]

It literally is not a football stadium, was never planned to be.

It should have been planned to be since a league 1 an east of Scotland and a swpl team were going to be based there. Places like Spartans and peffermill are better. The fact that it's useless for athletics really takes the cream.

[green day]

I thought FC Edinburgh had permission to build another stand and facilities taking it to a 2000 capacity?

[LewysGot2]

No more major athletics events or Commie Games in Edinburgh again by the sounds of it.
Our local politicians over decades continue to let us down. Chasing the tourist pound for key priorities but leaving us as a city with no sizeable indoor music or sports venue and now no national athletics or cycling venue.

All of the above in another city at the other end of a motorway.

[Pretty Boy]

It's garbage. Even ignoring the fact it was never meant to be a football venue the whole stadium area is rubbish. It's not for for purpose as a football or athletics stadium. Many of the reasons are highlighted in a post above, it was total short sightedness on the part of the council. The original plans made no provision for seated spectator facilities at all, it's so obvious what was eventually added is an afterthought. As stated above it will be ineligible to host any kind of major (or indeed minor) athletics event because of the design flaws of the viewing areas. I'm aware it leads to laughter on here but the word shambles is used advisedly in this instance.

I ran on the track last week. It's decent and an upgrade on Saughton but I'll stick to heading out to Meadowmill or Dalkeith High School. It's really not all that much better than them and more expensive to boot. The indoor track facilities are bang average at best, miles behind somewhere like Aberdeen Sports Village.

FC Edinburgh were better off at Ainslie Park albeit I understand their desire to have a home. Hopefully Hibs Women can grow to the point that they need to move on from Meadowbank as well. It's a site where atmosphere goes to die.

As an aside is the promised velodrome still getting built out by the Jack Kane or has that been quietly shelved?

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

It's garbage. Even ignoring the fact it was never meant to be a football venue the whole stadium area is rubbish. It's not for for purpose as a football or athletics stadium. Many of the reasons are highlighted in a post above, it was total short sightedness on the part of the council. The original plans made no provision for seated spectator facilities at all, it's so obvious what was eventually added is an afterthought. As stated above it will be ineligible to host any kind of major (or indeed minor) athletics event because of the design flaws of the viewing areas. I'm aware it leads to laughter on here but the word shambles is used advisedly in this instance.

I ran on the track last week. It's decent and an upgrade on Saughton but I'll stick to heading out to Meadowmill or Dalkeith High School. It's really not all that much better than them and more expensive to boot. The indoor track facilities are bang average at best, miles behind somewhere like Aberdeen Sports Village.

FC Edinburgh were better off at Ainslie Park albeit I understand their desire to have a home. Hopefully Hibs Women can grow to the point that they need to move on from Meadowbank as well. It's a site where atmosphere goes to die.

As an aside is the promised velodrome still getting built out by the Jack Kane or has that been quietly shelved?

Pitreavie will still be my go to for training. Not far from the west of town plus you don’t have to battle the roadworks.

Seating/viewing area is better at Pitreavie as well.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

well it looked huge to me for the commonwealth games in 1970 :greengrin i can't find the word to explain how mega-sized humungous Hampden looked to me two years later at the SC final v sellick with 106k in attendance :(

https://commonwealthgames.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020_07-Image-Edinburgh-1970-Opening-Ceremony.jpg

[GreenCastle]

The design of the place front the start just looked cheap option.

Even the entrance is dull and hardly inspiring.

The whole place looks dull from the outside and they even put the signage in a stupid place behind the trees.

Regarding the pitch - ok it’s a new 3G but the viewing and spectator experience isn’t good.

Miles away from the action and just doesn’t feel right.

It’s a shame as location wise it should be a great local community set up for several teams but instead it’s turned into a mess.

Can’t see Hibs women staying there long and FC Edinburgh must be raging as even a new stand won’t do much to improve it unless they bring thing closer together. Standing in the winter miles from games won’t be fun.

If they put advertising boards around pitch and brought stands closer it would be ok but until then it will be crap.

Anyone know the cost of parking at the place ?

[GonzoReturns]

No more major athletics events or Commie Games in Edinburgh again by the sounds of it.
Our local politicians over decades continue to let us down. Chasing the tourist pound for key priorities but leaving us as a city with no sizeable indoor music or sports venue and now no national athletics or cycling venue.

All of the above in another city at the other end of a motorway.

Edinburgh Council = Edinburghs Shame and have done so for a number of years.

[SteveHFC]

No more major athletics events or Commie Games in Edinburgh again by the sounds of it.
Our local politicians over decades continue to let us down. Chasing the tourist pound for key priorities but leaving us as a city with no sizeable indoor music or sports venue and now no national athletics or cycling venue.

All of the above in another city at the other end of a motorway.

Plenty money for student apartmens though.

[inglisavhibs]

It's garbage. Even ignoring the fact it was never meant to be a football venue the whole stadium area is rubbish. It's not for for purpose as a football or athletics stadium. Many of the reasons are highlighted in a post above, it was total short sightedness on the part of the council. The original plans made no provision for seated spectator facilities at all, it's so obvious what was eventually added is an afterthought. As stated above it will be ineligible to host any kind of major (or indeed minor) athletics event because of the design flaws of the viewing areas. I'm aware it leads to laughter on here but the word shambles is used advisedly in this instance.

I ran on the track last week. It's decent and an upgrade on Saughton but I'll stick to heading out to Meadowmill or Dalkeith High School. It's really not all that much better than them and more expensive to boot. The indoor track facilities are bang average at best, miles behind somewhere like Aberdeen Sports Village.

FC Edinburgh were better off at Ainslie Park albeit I understand their desire to have a home. Hopefully Hibs Women can grow to the point that they need to move on from Meadowbank as well. It's a site where atmosphere goes to die.

As an aside is the promised velodrome still getting built out by the Jack Kane or has that been quietly shelved?
The Saughton track is the 1970 Meadowbank one re-laid and is hard as a brick. The new track is not even the top of the range and the football pitch is a mass of black rubber balls. Don't get me started on the so called stadium, as you say no more events can be held, not even small events. Our capital city left with a poor facility yet again. I'll be pleasantly surprised if a new velodrome is built, but I wont be holding my breath.

[speedy_gonzales]

Plenty money for student apartmens though.

Fairly sure they have little to do with the council seeing as they're pretty much all commercial ventures.

[Liam978]

The Saughton track is the 1970 Meadowbank one re-laid and is hard as a brick. The new track is not even the top of the range and the football pitch is a mass of black rubber balls. Don't get me started on the so called stadium, as you say no more events can be held, not even small events. Our capital city left with a poor facility yet again. I'll be pleasantly surprised if a new velodrome is built, but I wont be holding my breath.

400 odd seater stadium , equalled many pissed Pars fans in the Abbeyhill area today, no access to the game, so what else. Sing that all Hbees are gay in the local pubs. Well done the lassies in Iceland who stood up to them.

[green day]

400 odd seater stadium , equalled many pissed Pars fans in the Abbeyhill area today, no access to the game, so what else. Sing that all Hbees are gay in the local pubs. Well done the lassies in Iceland who stood up to them.

Ah well, maybe if the Pars were a better team they wouldnt have ended up playing in a sports centre :greengrin

[J-C]

It's basically just a large sport centre with a track/pitch stuck on the side of it.

[Mutu]

Actually went to this today with a Pars fan. By some distance the worst football ground I have ever been to for the reasons outlined above.

The back end of the ground has a 2 metre max channel for fans to stand and move about in. Most parts of the "standing area" were unable to see parts of the pitch.

Most laughable part of the experience was security asking folk to not lean on the temporary fencing in case it falls and damages the track.

A genuine embarrassment.

[Bridge hibs]

Edinburgh Uni have a better set up at Peffermill, smaller stand granted but at least they have a grass pitch. Fc Edinburgh should tie in with them & chuck up a couple of small stands, you never know, they might attract a few locals too

[Pretty Boy]

Edinburgh Uni have a better set up at Peffermill, smaller stand granted but at least they have a grass pitch. Fc Edinburgh should tie in with them & chuck up a couple of small stands, you never know, they might attract a few locals too

A tea room with fresh baking at Peffermill too. You don't get that at many grounds.

It is another issues though. You go to Spartans or The Strollers and you can get a pint pre match and certainly in the case of the former varied catering options. I was at the Edinburgh v Arbroath game and it was served by a solitary catering van. That has to be a missed revenue opportunity for them

[stuart-farquhar]

Edinburgh Uni have a better set up at Peffermill, smaller stand granted but at least they have a grass pitch. Fc Edinburgh should tie in with them & chuck up a couple of small stands, you never know, they might attract a few locals too

They should just go back to being Ferranti Thistle and quietly disappear.

[Lancs Harp]

They should just go back to being Ferranti Thistle and quietly disappear.

That was Livingston wasnt it?

[Stairway 2 7]

Edinburgh Uni have a better set up at Peffermill, smaller stand granted but at least they have a grass pitch. Fc Edinburgh should tie in with them & chuck up a couple of small stands, you never know, they might attract a few locals too

Yep peffermill is better as is just now and I believe Edinburgh uni are looking to spend big money on it, with huge amounts spent on new indoor and outdoor. Hibs and Edinburgh City should look at getting in with them

[gbhibby]

They should just go back to being Ferranti Thistle and quietly disappear.
🤔🤔

[LewysGot2]

They should just go back to being Ferranti Thistle and quietly disappear.

Tell us you don't know that was Meadowbank Thistle then Livingston without telling us you don't know that they were...

[hibby rae]

They should just go back to being Ferranti Thistle and quietly disappear.

Postal United

[Bridge hibs]

A tea room with fresh baking at Peffermill too. You don't get that at many grounds.

It is another issues though. You go to Spartans or The Strollers and you can get a pint pre match and certainly in the case of the former varied catering options. I was at the Edinburgh v Arbroath game and it was served by a solitary catering van. That has to be a missed revenue opportunity for themWith the pitches being at the other side of the pavilion where you can grab a pint, the 4g pitch is at one side which commercially may work with the rugger at the other side, just strange that the football team are quite a distance away from the main area

Apologies if post is all over the shop, adverts playing havoc

Its a strange one at Edin Uni

[raeburnhibs]

Plenty money for student apartmens though.
are you suggesting the Council are building student flats? they're not, too much to be made by Private Developers to let the council in on it

[Jack]

Tell us you don't know that was Meadowbank Thistle then Livingston without telling us you don't know that they were...

I'd be quite happy for Livingston to disappear 😊

[LewysGot2]

are you suggesting the Council are building student flats? they're not, too much to be made by Private Developers to let the council in on it

Except guess who has to give planning permission and who has overall supposed grip on building strategy?

[Hibby Bairn]

Except guess who has to give planning permission and who has overall supposed grip on building strategy?

And who owns/owned the land?

[stuart-farquhar]

You're right. I was thinking of Postal strike united in the 70's not Ferranti.

[He's here!]

Baffled to hear how bad the venue is. Its previous incarnation was soulless. The 'upgrade' sounds even worse.

[Just_Jimmy]

It was a daft idea to move the women there. I know why they did, but it's a dump.

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[Fuzzywuzzy]

A tea room with fresh baking at Peffermill too. You don't get that at many grounds.

It is another issues though. You go to Spartans or The Strollers and you can get a pint pre match and certainly in the case of the former varied catering options. I was at the Edinburgh v Arbroath game and it was served by a solitary catering van. That has to be a missed revenue opportunity for them

Haud the bus!! you can get in to the bar at Spartans before the game? I thought that was only for the elite as there's always a security guard on the stairs!

[HIBEETILLIDIE]

Sounds a bargain at £47million!
I wonder how many brown envelopes were involved in this latest council cock up!

[Greenbeard]

It's garbage. Even ignoring the fact it was never meant to be a football venue the whole stadium area is rubbish. It's not for for purpose as a football or athletics stadium. Many of the reasons are highlighted in a post above, it was total short sightedness on the part of the council. The original plans made no provision for seated spectator facilities at all, it's so obvious what was eventually added is an afterthought. As stated above it will be ineligible to host any kind of major (or indeed minor) athletics event because of the design flaws of the viewing areas. I'm aware it leads to laughter on here but the word shambles is used advisedly in this instance.

I ran on the track last week. It's decent and an upgrade on Saughton but I'll stick to heading out to Meadowmill or Dalkeith High School. It's really not all that much better than them and more expensive to boot. The indoor track facilities are bang average at best, miles behind somewhere like Aberdeen Sports Village.

FC Edinburgh were better off at Ainslie Park albeit I understand their desire to have a home. Hopefully Hibs Women can grow to the point that they need to move on from Meadowbank as well. It's a site where atmosphere goes to die.

As an aside is the promised velodrome still getting built out by the Jack Kane or has that been quietly shelved?
How much did you pay for access to train on the track? Heard someone say Edinburgh Athletics Club were still going to train at Saughton cos Meadowbank was going to be too expensive.

[Greenbeard]

400 odd seater stadium , equalled many pissed Pars fans in the Abbeyhill area today, no access to the game, so what else. Sing that all Hbees are gay in the local pubs. Well done the lassies in Iceland who stood up to them.
Keeping below 500 capacity means a raft of Safety at Sports Grounds obligations are avoided.

[Pretty Boy]

How much did you pay for access to train on the track? Heard someone say Edinburgh Athletics Club were still going to train at Saughton cos Meadowbank was going to be too expensive.

£6 for an hour which isn't too bad really but more expensive than either of the other options I use and not really convenient. Had the track quality been vastly superior I would have stuck with it.

I believe the group bookings are very expensive hence what you have heard about Edinburgh AC. I know Portobello and Harmeny are both continuing to train elsewhere as well.

[Stairway 2 7]

Sounds a bargain at £47million!
I wonder how many brown envelopes were involved in this latest council cock up!

Wow stunned that was the price. It feels like a provincial leasure centre inside

[Since452]

Is Meadowbank Scotlands capitals main athletics venue? Very disappointing. About as good as our main indoor music venue.

[Stairway 2 7]

Is Meadowbank Scotlands capitals main athletics venue? Very disappointing. About as good as our main indoor music venue.

Not sure why no heads roll for this fact, especially the indoor venue. These clowns are paid by us. How long was mcvay in charge. Surely needs more scrutiny

[Since452]

Not sure why no heads roll for this fact, especially the indoor venue. These clowns are paid by us. How long was mcvay in charge. Surely needs more scrutiny

Especially when Glasgow have the Hydro and Aberdeen have the P&J. Really puts Edinburgh to shame and means we lose out on a lot of income.

[Coco Bryce]

Should get a pair of binoculars on entry to be able to see the pitch.

Horrendous view.

[GreenCastle]

Is Meadowbank Scotlands capitals main athletics venue? Very disappointing. About as good as our main indoor music venue.

It’s a shame they messed it up so badly.

Even make it a decent venue for athletics or football but to try compromise and fail with both is no surprise.

They could have even used the side 3G for a dedicated football part with stand but wanted to keep the 3G in the middle of the athletics track.

Edinburgh seems to like messing up projects..

The tram…the poor design of the St James Quarter with the wind and rain coming in as it’s very open plus Oriam and the money spent on that which could have been better - tiny sports hall and small public / student gym etc.

Leith or ingilston should get a music venue but ideally somewhere that is easy to get to via transport.

[Stairway 2 7]

Especially when Glasgow have the Hydro and Aberdeen have the P&J. Really puts Edinburgh to shame and means we lose out on a lot of income.

Somewhere said at almost 1 million were the biggest urban area in Europe without an arena. Manchester has a 21,000 arena and Liverpool and Leeds arenas within an hour, but is still building a second 23,000 arena

[Lendo]

Plenty money for student apartmens though.

Why would the council be paying for private developers to build student accommodation?

[hibby rae]

Somewhere said at almost 1 million were the biggest urban area in Europe without an arena. Manchester has a 21,000 arena and Liverpool and Leeds arenas within an hour, but is still building a second 23,000 arena

Gigs can take place at Ingliston, the Highland Hall has a 12,000 capacity, and they can do 35,000 outside.

The venue size Edinburgh misses more than anything is a mid-sized one to bridge the gap between places like Liquid Room and Usher Hall.

Ever since we lost the Picture House there's been nothing to replace it of that size so bands too big or small for the others have no option but Glasgow.

[Stairway 2 7]

Gigs can take place at Ingliston, the Highland Hall has a 12,000 capacity, and they can do 35,000 outside.

The venue size Edinburgh misses more than anything is a mid-sized one to bridge the gap between places like Liquid Room and Usher Hall.

Ever since we lost the Picture House there's been nothing to replace it of that size so bands too big or small for the others have no option but Glasgow.

The flat barn at ingleston is nothing compared to an actual venue. Hence almost no bands play their most of the year. josh Taylor says he's forced to play Glasgow as no Edinburgh venue, no one would see the fight.

[.Sean.]

50 million quid to downgrade Meadowbank. The area around the pitch is a *****hole too they’ve put big boards up to hide the jungle that’s grown on the old terracing. Outrageous waste of money, 50 million and what three years late 😂

[hibby rae]

The flat barn at ingleston is nothing compared to an actual venue. Hence almost no bands play their most of the year. josh Taylor says he's forced to play Glasgow as no Edinburgh venue, no one would see the fight.

Gigs can easily be put on there, making a venue suitable for gigs isn't that difficult really, and have been before. In fairness I've been to SECC and I've been to the Hydro, and neither are that great either.

I'd say one of the reasons that bands haven't often played there is promoters and the venue management aren't aware/aren't trying for it.

Same applies to Potterrow, which could fill the Picture House gap, but the management have no interest in it.

[Stairway 2 7]

Gigs can easily be put on there, making a venue suitable for gigs isn't that difficult really, and have been before. In fairness I've been to SECC and I've been to the Hydro, and neither are that great either.

I'd say one of the reasons that bands haven't often played there is promoters and the venue management aren't aware/aren't trying for it.

Same applies to Potterrow, which could fill the Picture House gap, but the management have no interest in it.

You just really really can't compare a square barn with a purpose built indoor stadium, it's not even close. The Hydro makes millions if they could ingleston would do the same. The only people that hire it during the year is raves where people aren't bothered about not seeing anything. It's a joke the people from an area with almost 1 million people have to get the train for an hour every time there is a gig or big fight. Josh Taylor fought at ingleston but soon outgrew it, he says he's no choice to fight at the Hydro as there is no indoor arena in Edinburgh

[Waxy]

It’s a ground for an East of Scotland league team now.
I hope Spartans eventually make it to the leagues as Ainslie is cool ground for the main lower leagues.

[Brightside]

You just really really can't compare a square barn with a purpose built indoor stadium, it's not even close. The Hydro makes millions if they could ingleston would do the same. The only people that hire it during the year is raves where people aren't bothered about not seeing anything. It's a joke the people from an area with almost 1 million people have to get the train for an hour every time there is a gig or big fight. Josh Taylor fought at ingleston but soon outgrew it, he says he's no choice to fight at the Hydro as there is no indoor arena in Edinburgh

There have been loads of gigs at ingleston. Is not just raves these days.

[Brightside]

I watched the highlights from a BTFC womens game online. They are also playing there now. Even the camera struggles to pick up the play. It will be total guess work for most games. Also there now seems to be about 5 teams using it as a home ground. How on earth is a grass pitch going to keep up with that?

[Baader]

No more major athletics events or Commie Games in Edinburgh again by the sounds of it.
Our local politicians over decades continue to let us down. Chasing the tourist pound for key priorities but leaving us as a city with no sizeable indoor music or sports venue and now no national athletics or cycling venue.

All of the above in another city at the other end of a motorway.

Spot on. The city and its residents being let down by an utterly incompetent council.

Their new plan for the area is to knock down The Willow just along at Jocks Lodge (was in it yesterday after the match) and the block its part of (Inc Limelights and the snooker club) in order to build student flats. Utterly useless.

[hibby rae]

You just really really can't compare a square barn with a purpose built indoor stadium, it's not even close. The Hydro makes millions if they could ingleston would do the same. The only people that hire it during the year is raves where people aren't bothered about not seeing anything. It's a joke the people from an area with almost 1 million people have to get the train for an hour every time there is a gig or big fight. Josh Taylor fought at ingleston but soon outgrew it, he says he's no choice to fight at the Hydro as there is no indoor arena in Edinburgh

I mean I can and I did :wink:

The fact it's purpose built makes it worse really because the sound is awful, which is far more important than sight lines in a gig, and it's not an issue for standing gigs really anyway unless someone taller is in front of you!

If something like this was built, given there is one within an hour of Edinburgh, how often would it get used? Where would it be built? Would it be worth the expense?

We can compare to other countries and cities, but they also don't have other large population centres and facilities that nearby already.

[GreenCastle]

50 million quid to downgrade Meadowbank. The area around the pitch is a *****hole too they’ve put big boards up to hide the jungle that’s grown on the old terracing. Outrageous waste of money, 50 million and what three years late 😂

Behind the boards will be flats in near future.

[GreenCastle]

I watched the highlights from a BTFC womens game online. They are also playing there now. Even the camera struggles to pick up the play. It will be total guess work for most games. Also there now seems to be about 5 teams using it as a home ground. How on earth is a grass pitch going to keep up with that?

It’s 3G.

Teams using it..not sure if missed anyone ?

FC Edinburgh men - Saturday
Leith Atheltic men - Saturday?

Boroughmuir Thistle Women - Sunday
Hibs women - Sunday

[hibby rae]

It’s 3G.

Teams using it..not sure if missed anyone ?

FC Edinburgh men - Saturday
Leith Atheltic men - Saturday?

Boroughmuir Thistle Women - Sunday
Hibs women - Sunday

I think FC Edinburgh women are also using it?

I can't see us being there for the full 5 years unless there is a massive improvement soon.

But you would think it's in everyone's, especially Edinburgh's, interest to get started on that other stand.

[Stairway 2 7]

I mean I can and I did :wink:

The fact it's purpose built makes it worse really because the sound is awful, which is far more important than sight lines in a gig, and it's not an issue for standing gigs really anyway unless someone taller is in front of you!

If something like this was built, given there is one within an hour of Edinburgh, how often would it get used? Where would it be built? Would it be worth the expense?

We can compare to other countries and cities, but they also don't have other large population centres and facilities that nearby already.

Why has every major city in Europe got one if they aren't needed. Manchester is needing a second one above 20,000 and they have Liverpool arena and Leeds just an hour away. These things are gold mines pantomime, comedians boxing and ufc aren't coming to a flat barn

They had loads of gigs at ingleston this summer but they hired a big top instead of using a barn. Like Meadowbank it's a joke from the past councils

[Brightside]

It’s 3G.

Teams using it..not sure if missed anyone ?

FC Edinburgh men - Saturday
Leith Atheltic men - Saturday?

Boroughmuir Thistle Women - Sunday
Hibs women - Sunday

I was told it was grass. my mistake. 20s teams are using it too.

[bingo70]

I was told it was grass. my mistake. 20s teams are using it too.

Dundee Utd are going to use it as a sort of satellite centre for their Edinburgh based kids too. I don’t know if that’s the 11 a side pitch or not though.

[GreenCastle]

Dundee Utd are going to use it as a sort of satellite centre for their Edinburgh based kids too. I don’t know if that’s the 11 a side pitch or not though.

Edinburgh Caledonian using the side 3G so maybe same area.

[LewysGot2]

The Council clearly more focused on the tourist trail today than the tidying up post derby. Was at the ground to collect tickets and went via Lawrie Reilly Place, having got the bus to Meadowbank. It’s absolutely minging. Broken glass, cans, bottles, food waste all still in the vicinity clearly left yesterday by the visitors and still there over 24 hours later. They surely do special cleans after big events at any of the city’s stadiums?

[stuart-farquhar]

The Council clearly more focused on the tourist trail today than the tidying up post derby. Was at the ground to collect tickets and went via Lawrie Reilly Place, having got the bus to Meadowbank. It’s absolutely minging. Broken glass, cans, bottles, food waste all still in the vicinity clearly left yesterday by the visitors and still there over 24 hours later. They surely do special cleans after big events at any of the city’s stadiums?
That's a problem. Any place I've lived in Europe and USA the authorities have the clean up done almost immediately.

Not here.

[random sub]

It’s hugely disappointing. We could have had a multipurpose stadium with some new commercial and sporting businesses bringing much needed life and vitality to the area, while giving future generations a joyful sporting facility… but we got a value engineered box that corrodes the soul.

[hibby rae]

Why has every major city in Europe got one if they aren't needed. Manchester is needing a second one above 20,000 and they have Liverpool arena and Leeds just an hour away. These things are gold mines pantomime, comedians boxing and ufc aren't coming to a flat barn

They had loads of gigs at ingleston this summer but they hired a big top instead of using a barn. Like Meadowbank it's a joke from the past councils

Does every major European city have one? What constitutes a major city in this instance?

Whether they went on at a outdoor venue or not, the fact remains Ingliston can host venues of that size. Not sure why you think it's a barn? It's not as cramped as you may remember it to be, as it has hosted big gigs in the past.

Greater Manchester, Merseyside and West Yorkshire have a combined population of around 6.5m, so far outstripping the central belt, not just even the Greater Edinburgh area.

Would these sell out pantomimes for all of December, especially when there are generally 2 on in Edinburgh and Musselburgh at that time, and they don't always sell out?

Comedians generally come to Edinburgh in August, and even the bigger ones tend to do more than one date in smaller venues to meet demand, many of them may well prefer that than a one-off in a bigger venue. The rest of the time they tour elsewhere.

How many boxing and UFC bouts come to Scotland already? Is it enough to constitute a venue of that size?

Who pays for the venue? Where would it be built? Who reaps the rewards if it's a goldmine?

[Stairway 2 7]

Does every major European city have one? What constitutes a major city in this instance?

Whether they went on at a outdoor venue or not, the fact remains Ingliston can host venues of that size. Not sure why you think it's a barn? It's not as cramped as you may remember it to be, as it has hosted big gigs in the past.

Greater Manchester, Merseyside and West Yorkshire have a combined population of around 6.5m, so far outstripping the central belt, not just even the Greater Edinburgh area.

Would these sell out pantomimes for all of December, especially when there are generally 2 on in Edinburgh and Musselburgh at that time, and they don't always sell out?

Comedians generally come to Edinburgh in August, and even the bigger ones tend to do more than one date in smaller venues to meet demand, many of them may well prefer that than a one-off in a bigger venue. The rest of the time they tour elsewhere.

How many boxing and UFC bouts come to Scotland already? Is it enough to constitute a venue of that size?

Who pays for the venue? Where would it be built? Who reaps the rewards if it's a goldmine?

In every other city its the council. Nottingham and Sheffield can both have 10,000 plus arenas. Cardiff has a 7500 arena and has just announced a new 17,000 arena. Swansea has an arena and Bristol just along the road is building a 17,000. Even Exeter has one. Newcastle has one but gateshead is building a 12,000 seater one and Sunderland announced a 10,000 one.

You think they would spend millions to lose it. But it's more than that it's a facility for your city. Every major artist skips Edinburgh. Comparing flat barn at ingleston to a purpose built indoor stadium with all the modern facilities like purpose built toilets spaced throughout, food and drink facilities with easy access, lots of well positioned disabled seats, sight lines for all ages, corporate facilities and lounges

[Waxy]

It like they deliberately built the worst posssible venue in every aspect for the money.
Why not at least build a 2000 seat stand and do a bit work on the surround?

[I'm Spartacus]

Should get a pair of binoculars on entry to be able to see the pitch.

Horrendous view.

That won't even help, you should see the views, fans standing behind what look like bike sheds so you can't see the pitch, and even those in the 'stand' have a barrier in their eyeline so you can't see the pitch.

Shambolic............... which surprises me for Edinburgh Council hahahahahahaha

[macca70]

It like they deliberately built the worst possible venue in every aspect for the money.
Why not at least build a 2000 seat stand and do a bit work on the surround?

Its isnt great but i suspect the council couldn't justify building a stadium with tax payers money that will be empty most of the time.

They have used the money to build other facilities within rather than spend it on seats.

FC Edinburgh only rent it, otherwise it would be empty. Even FC Edinburgh probs only have less than 50 season ticket holders so hard to justify.

FC Edinburgh have proposed to build a stand on the other side but the request was knocked back so FC Edinburgh have said.

Plus, i'm sure there was a reason why there is only 499 seats, if it was 500, it would create additional health and safety requirements, i think.

[I'm Spartacus]

It like they deliberately built the worst posssible venue in every aspect for the money.
Why not at least build a 2000 seat stand and do a bit work on the surround?

I agree it's the most expensive build for the least community product, it's just a big Edinburgh Leisure gym, the staff offices are based there now with no staff parking.

Looking at the end product they should have sold the land for flats and built a facility elsewhere, it's a huge footprint. An indoor running track and velodrome, an outside running track and athletics space is shambolic, no wonder Scotland produce zero elite athletes.

[LewysGot2]

I agree it's the most expensive build for the least community product, it's just a big Edinburgh Leisure gym, the staff offices are based there now with no staff parking.

Looking at the end product they should have sold the land for flats and built a facility elsewhere, it's a huge footprint. An indoor running track and velodrome, an outside running track and athletics space is shambolic, no wonder Scotland produce zero elite athletes.

We do still produce athletes but they’re predominantly private school pupils who benefit from the facilities they have been used to at school and the financial backing of parents. Anyone from a less privileged background will struggle…

[Stairway 2 7]

Its isnt great but i suspect the council couldn't justify building a stadium with tax payers money that will be empty most of the time.

They have used the money to build other facilities within rather than spend it on seats.

FC Edinburgh only rent it, otherwise it would be empty. Even FC Edinburgh probs only have less than 50 season ticket holders so hard to justify.

FC Edinburgh have proposed to build a stand on the other side but the request was knocked back so FC Edinburgh have said.

Plus, i'm sure there was a reason why there is only 499 seats, if it was 500, it would create additional health and safety requirements, i think.

It's not about the money. There's 3 or 4 stadiums in Edinburgh that would have cost less with better views. Like meggatland peffermill ect. It's like it's been done by someone that's never been to a game before.
Other councils manage it fine and that's without the money they will get for housing from selling off the velodrome land. With a league 1 team , East of Scotland, swpl and swpl2 teams playing there it's fairly well used.

It's not fit for leith athletic never mind Edinburgh and hibs ladies

[macca70]

It's not about the money. There's 3 or 4 stadiums in Edinburgh that would have cost less with better views. Like meggatland peffermill ect. It's like it's been done by someone that's never been to a game before.
Other councils manage it fine and that's without the money they will get for housing from selling off the velodrome land. With a league 1 team , East of Scotland, swpl and swpl2 teams playing there it's fairly well used.

It's not fit for leith athletic never mind Edinburgh and hibs ladies

Other than when FC Edinburgh are playing some of the bigger clubs in the league, there will be no requirement for more than 500 seats for hibs ladies, FC edinburgh ladies, east of scotland etc.

This was the council building a sports facility which FC Edinburgh just happen to rent. If FC Edinburgh want better facilities, like most other clubs, they can build something themselves.

Murrayfield sits empty for about 90% of the year, plus edinburgh has ER and Tynecastle, does edinburgh need a 4th stadium? Plus the new smaller Edinburgh rugby DAM stadium would be absolutely perfect for FC Edinburgh but appears their board and main decision makers who seem to fall out with everyone they have dealing with cant seem to come to a deal with them. as it was definitely being considered.

[Stairway 2 7]

Other than when FC Edinburgh are playing some of the bigger clubs in the league, there will be no requirement for more than 500 seats for hibs ladies, FC edinburgh ladies, east of scotland etc.

This was the council building a sports facility which FC Edinburgh just happen to rent. If FC Edinburgh want better facilities, like most other clubs, they can build something themselves.

Murrayfield sits empty for about 90% of the year, plus edinburgh has ER and Tynecastle, does edinburgh need a 4th stadium? Plus the new smaller Edinburgh rugby DAM stadium would be absolutely perfect for FC Edinburgh but appears their board and main decision makers who seem to fall out with everyone they have dealing with cant seem to come to a deal with them. as it was definitely being considered.

But I'm not getting across this isn't about the size. You really need to see it. You can't see the pitch from anywhere for football and it's useless for athletics viewing, which was it's other purpose. It isn't fit for purpose for the job and is money miss spent. Manchester and gateshead spent more on athletics stadiums all with no main tenant. Edinburgh Council is only interested if it's for tourists, the public can just travel to Glasgow for facilities

[hibby rae]

In every other city its the council. Nottingham and Sheffield can both have 10,000 plus arenas. Cardiff has a 7500 arena and has just announced a new 17,000 arena. Swansea has an arena and Bristol just along the road is building a 17,000. Even Exeter has one. Newcastle has one but gateshead is building a 12,000 seater one and Sunderland announced a 10,000 one.

You think they would spend millions to lose it. But it's more than that it's a facility for your city. Every major artist skips Edinburgh. Comparing flat barn at ingleston to a purpose built indoor stadium with all the modern facilities like purpose built toilets spaced throughout, food and drink facilities with easy access, lots of well positioned disabled seats, sight lines for all ages, corporate facilities and lounges

That's not true. I could list loads of major artists who have been in the recent past, or will be coming in the future. Most of them will come in the summer, but that is because Edinburgh holds a special place in the global events calendar during those months, and also a lot of artists schedule their UK and European tours for the summer as they also align with festivals.

Maybe these places that built arenas had to because there wasn't something already there. I would also guess they aren't suddenly getting an influx of all the events who've mentioned.

Point remains Ingliston could be used if the management there probably made an effort to utilise it as such as well, it does have suitable sightlines, and everything necessary for a successful live music event could be there as needed. The most important thing is the sound, and the sound at these large scale arenas is often crap, you're actually better having a space like a 'flat barn' in this instance.

[Stairway 2 7]

That's not true. I could list loads of major artists who have been in the recent past, or will be coming in the future. Most of them will come in the summer, but that is because Edinburgh holds a special place in the global events calendar during those months, and also a lot of artists schedule their UK and European tours for the summer as they also align with festivals.

Maybe these places that built arenas had to because there wasn't something already there. I would also guess they aren't suddenly getting an influx of all the events who've mentioned.

Point remains Ingliston could be used if the management there probably made an effort to utilise it as such as well, it does have suitable sightlines, and everything necessary for a successful live music event could be there as needed. The most important thing is the sound, and the sound at these large scale arenas is often crap, you're actually better having a space like a 'flat barn' in this instance.

If I want to take an under 12 year old they can't see the stage, ridiculous. Many people don't want to stand and if it's seated your miles away at the back. It's utterly ridiculous to compare a flat square to a purpose built arena.

Looking at Liverpools bookings it's got 3 fight events, josh Taylor says he can't fight in Edinburgh as no arena. Peter kay is going 12 arenas no Edinburgh, George ezra doing 16 arenas including Glasgow and Aberdeen doing no non arenas so no Edinburgh. Bocelli doing 14 dates all arenas no Edinburgh. There's about a dozen more if you check and all doing arenas tours.

Aberdeen and Glasgow both abandoned there square venues secc and aecc and replaced them with actual arenas as its the 21st century

[wallpaperman]

But I'm not getting across this isn't about the size. You really need to see it. You can't see the pitch from anywhere for football and it's useless for athletics viewing, which was it's other purpose.

I’m sorry but that statement that you can’t see the pitch from anywhere is simply untrue.

I was at the first two games against Arbroath and Cowden, if you sit in either the second or third (back) row of the tiny stand you have an unobscured view of the entire pitch. The first row is a different matter due to the barrier that needs to get sorted.

Overall it’s not a great experience at all, would hate to watch matches there every week, if the stand had just been elevated a couple of feet it would have been so much better.

[Stairway 2 7]

I’m sorry but that statement that you can’t see the pitch from anywhere is simply untrue.

I was at the first two games against Arbroath and Cowden, if you sit in either the second or third (back) row of the tiny stand you have an unobscured view of the entire pitch. The first row is a different matter due to the barrier that needs to get sorted.

Overall it’s not a great experience at all, would hate to watch matches there every week, if the stand had just been elevated a couple of feet it would have been so much better.

Just stood round it for leith games and I think it's pretty poor for East of scotland. Not being able to use it for athletics due to the sightlines surely means someone should get their jotters surely

[The Captain....]

Every part of it is an eye sore, no thought, foresight or imagination in the planning, building or finished product.

Whoever is behind it should be named and shamed as its a disgrace to Edinburgh.

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[Hibeesforever]

Every part of it is an eye sore, no thought, foresight or imagination in the planning, building or finished product.

Whoever is behind it should be named and shamed as its a disgrace to Edinburgh.

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Look at the politicians that built it, don't vote for their party and shame them...the stadium facility is a disgrace.