What league position will this Hibs team finish

[Spike Mandela]

Ok, so league is about to start.

Out the LC early, exciting inexperienced youngsters with potential, big injury list, unseen new signings, new manager, new tactics, old midfield issues, young talent sold off for millions, and new catering.:greengrin

What’s your gut feeling. Be honest. Where will we finish.

[SHODAN]

Predicted 8th a couple weeks ago and nothing has swayed me from that since.

[Keepthefaith]

I really do think we'll come good, and that the pace throughout the team will be key. Youan will in my view be pivotal to this, as will Henderson. Potential for good spine in the team with Marshall, Porto, kenneh and Youan.

I think it'll be a more competitive league but I'm going for 4th. Ggtth!

[hibbyfraelibby]

We are going to skoosh this league...

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Predicted 8th a couple weeks ago and nothing has swayed me from that since.

Probably as good as I can see, rarely went into a season with such a flat feeling. But you never know one or two of the unknown signings might work out & we'll do better than expected, things can turn around quickly.

[H18 SFR]

I’m going for 4th. I can see Celtic and Rangers flying ahead, Hearts comfortably securing 3rd and us scrapping it out with the other contenders for 4th, securing the place in the table with a game to spare.

[SideBurns]

10th. Avoiding relegation is as optimistic as I can be right now.

[Chorley Hibee]

8th/9th is about as kind as I can be currently.

Goalkeeper is about the only position I could say, with any authority, that we've improved upon.

The rest is just a lot of hope resting upon inexperienced youngsters.

More worrying is that we still haven't brought in the centre half, and central midfielder almost everyone agrees that we need.

That is unforgivable.

[JammyDoidger]

7th

[Iain G]

We are going to skoosh this league...

12 points clear before the world cup, then McGeady and Magennis are available and we resign Martin Boyle after he scores a hat trick in the world cup final 😁

(I think 4th)

[heretoday]

Same as last season.

[flash]

Whoever put 12th should be booted off the forum.

[MWHIBBIES]

I genuinely have no idea. This side, especially with so many injuries, is impossible to predict. So many unknowns

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Whoever put 12th should be booted off the forum.

Why?

[Sir David Gray]

I think we'll finish somewhere between 7th-9th as things currently stand.

I don't share the optimism that I've seen from quite a lot of people on here recently.

[ionahibby]

6th which won’t be the end of the world.

[ekhibee]

I think we'll finish somewhere between 7th-9th as things currently stand.

I don't share the optimism that I've seen from quite a lot of people on here recently.

This.

[The Captain....]

7th or 8th, just don't have the quality available to finish higher.

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[Chorley Hibee]

6th which won’t be the end of the world.

I don't agree, another season of underachieving and failure to qualify for Europe would be very bad.

There's no point us planning for the future if we can't succeed in the present. That future is dependent on the here and now, and failing to qualify for Europe, falling attendances/season tickets, and heaven forbid - relegation, results in our plans for the future being damaged/disbanded in turn.

That's why I'm annoyed at where we are now, the focus is too weighted on future success at the expense of now.

I worry what the consequences of that might be.

[DH1875]

6th which won’t be the end of the world.

Do you think that is good enough?

I think the split skewers things a little. Take away the split and simply finish 6th in the league and it doesn't look as good.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think we will finish bottom 6 as the squad stands, not sure just how low though, but i'm worried about this team.

[Stuarty1875]

Think the league will be tight again outside the top 4.

Going with 6th.

[Iain G]

Whoever put 12th should be booted off the forum.

It was Ian Gordon 😁

[Tambo]

Right now would say 5th. I'm really hoping Cabraja and Youan can bring some quality to the team.

Midfield will need to be more consistent than last season and Henderson could be key with goals and assists.

[B.H.F.C]

I honestly have no idea.

We need the new players in the team and they need to make a difference. If we continue to rely on the same core of players as we did last season, we’ll continue to struggle. A lot is dependent on Cabraja and Youan IMO.

[Smartie]

Hard to call right now but I went for 8th.

We're our typical shambles as we head into the competitive matches with a combination of work permit issues depriving players of competitive pre season matches, injuries and a recruitment policy that seems geared for success during a season that is certainly not this one all being to blame for that.

I can only see a fairly pitiful start to the season but I can also only really see it getting better as young players bed in, failing players get found out, the manager starts to get his ideas across, important players return from injury and we hopefully settle on a best XI.

It certainly wouldn't totally surprise me if it were to click nicely and we were to make a challenge for 3rd but it would surprise me less if we found ourselves in deep trouble and fighting to avoid relegation.

We're a couple of acts of misfortune away from disaster and this season (and the next few) might be defined by an ill timed departure of Porto. Centre half could very soon look absolutely desperate for us.

There are too many departments of the team that just look totally substandard compared to expectation.

I suspect the development team will be better to watch than the first team and as the season goes on they will evolve into our first team - hence the poor start and the strong finish to our season.

[Mikey_1875]

Can see it playing out fairly similar to last season for the league as a whole. If the hype is to be believed then Aberdeen might give Hearts a bit of a run. The rest apart from St Johnstone and St Mirren imo will be much of a muchness.

I think we will have a few more ups and downs under Johnson rather than the early high to very long low last season. I’ll go for 7th. I’m almost certain the first couple of months are going to be very difficult for us but if the team could find their stride after that then we could maybe push for Europe. I think it’ll be fairly inconsistent throughout though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

4th











but 10th in the poll where it's hidden


oops i didn't have to type that


wonder who said 1st :)

[H18S NX]

6th for me,fingers crossed.

[e2los]

8th on the back of being at the Falkirk game.

Top 6 would be amazing from what I've seen and watched.

Finishing ahead of Dundee United would be pleasing.

[Waxy]

Somewhere between 5th and 7th probably though anything is possible.

[IberianHibernian]

I`ve voted 6th but I think we could be anything from 4th to 10th . Last season there was no real difference between 4th and 10th and I think this season will be similar , maybe including 3rd since the Hearts squad doesn`t look anything special unless they sign 2 or 3 really outstanding players and I think that needs more than the few million they`ll get from Europe this season . I`m expecting us to be in bottom 4 when World Cup starts as new players settle in then to climb table in 2023 . This time next year , be looking for a strong top 3 for 23 / 24 .

[HibbyAndy]

i'll go for 8th.

We get no breaks with injuries ! Absolute decimated in the last year or so , So cruel and i don't think we have enough quality , Happy to be proven wrong

[SChibs]

I'm gonna stick my neck out here and say 3rd

[JimboHibs]

I think we'll finish somewhere between 7th-9th as things currently stand.

I don't share the optimism that I've seen from quite a lot of people on here recently.

That'll be 8th then.

[JimboHibs]

Somewhere between 5th and 7th probably though anything is possible.

So 6th it is.

[flash]

Why?

Because that ain't gonna happen in a million years.

[jingler1954]

I can see us finishing 1st with all the new signings pace and loads of goals. I cant see anyone near us this season.

[JammyDoidger]

The fact most of us are thinking we will struggle for the top 6 says it all. The board need to invest in quality man or it's going to be another season of despair. Shocking stuff.

[JammyDoidger]

The fact most of us are thinking we will struggle for the top 6 says it all. The board need to invest in quality man or it's going to be another season of despair. Shocking stuff.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Can’t vote on my phone but I’d say 8th. Just cannot see this squad getting us top 6.

[WhileTheChief..]

The fact most of us are thinking we will struggle for the top 6 says it all. The board need to invest in quality man or it's going to be another season of despair. Shocking stuff.

Where we think we'll finish has no bearing on where we'll finish!

If it was that easy, start a new poll and we can all vote 1st. Job done, we'll be Champs :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

That'll be 8th then.

Haha probably clumsy wording on my part.

I meant anywhere from 7th-9th.

[Bishop Hibee]

Optimistically 6th, pessimistically 11th.

[Keepthefaith]

The fact most of us are thinking we will struggle for the top 6 says it all. The board need to invest in quality man or it's going to be another season of despair. Shocking stuff.

Says it all about who? The board or some of the support?

[JammyDoidger]

Where we think we'll finish has no bearing on where we'll finish!

If it was that easy, start a new poll and we can all vote 1st. Job done, we'll be Champs :greengrin

Ron Gordon basically admitted it's going to be hard to catch hearts and Aberdeen who I think he's forgetting actually finished lower than us, we've shown zero ambition to actually challenge for european places despite knowing that can guarantee group stage football. Going into the start of the season with Rocky a starter and the same midfield as last season barring a young untried teenager in Kenneh Is shocking.

So if he isn't confident of a third or even 4th place finish, and neither are we. Why not fix it before the season begins..really don't like the noises or the actions coming out the club just now. Reeks of mediocrity.

So instead of happy clapping or sleepwalking our way into the season, we can voice concerns now, before the transfer window shuts and we are left with this. The signs are already there, we need to fix them.

[bigwheel]

Ron Gordon basically admitted it's going to be hard to catch hearts and Aberdeen who I think he's forgetting actually finished lower than us, we've shown zero ambition to actually challenge for european places despite knowing that can guarantee group stage football. Going into the start of the season with Rocky a starter and the same midfield as last season barring a young untried teenager in Kenneh Is shocking.

So if he isn't confident of a third or even 4th place finish, and neither are we. Why not fix it before the season begins..really don't like the noises or the actions coming out the club just now. Reeks of mediocrity.

So instead of happy clapping or sleepwalking our way into the season, we can voice concerns now, before the transfer window shuts and we are left with this. The signs are already there, we need to fix them.

The “I’m so angry, I’m going to pretend Ron was talking about league positions rather than income levels. Even though I know it was clear he wasnt” post…


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[JammyDoidger]

The “I’m so angry, I’m going to pretend Ron was talking about league positions rather than income levels. Even though I know it was clear he wasnt” post…


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Regardless we aren't good enough as it stands to challenge for third and that's where Hibs should be. We've sold Doig for £3m and not spend a bolt. When he left I think we all expected a bit quality to come in. Weve just stayed exactly the same, and been put out one of the two cups we can win into the bargain.

[Torto7]

No idea. There's too many new players and a new manager to know. I hope we get off to a good start and avoid the toxic atmosphere that will inevitably arrive if we don't.

[Callum_62]

Regardless we aren't good enough as it stands to challenge for third and that's where Hibs should be. We've sold Doig for £3m and not spend a bolt. When he left I think we all expected a bit quality to come in. Weve just stayed exactly the same, and been put out one of the two cups we can win into the bargain.10 players in for no money spent? Ron's son truly is a genius

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[JammyDoidger]

10 players in for no money spent? Ron's son truly is a genius

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I mean of the Josh Doig money, we've brought in so much more than we've spent, when we really needed to make a statement this window, all we've done is bring in an ageing injury prone winger, who's now out for months, and a bunch of young unproven laddies. Not sure how that's giving us any faith it's going to be a succesful season, a couple of standout signings in key positions would make all the difference.

[h185forever]

Gone with seventh.

We have a couple of difficult games early and that could hit confidence of both players and fans.

The fans need to be patient and get behind the team to help overcome that

GGTTH

[Jones28]

Regardless we aren't good enough as it stands to challenge for third and that's where Hibs should be. We've sold Doig for £3m and not spend a bolt. When he left I think we all expected a bit quality to come in. Weve just stayed exactly the same, and been put out one of the two cups we can win into the bargain.

No not regardless, you deliberately ignored what RG said to try and prove a point. At least try not to put boris Johnson levels of spin on it.

[JammyDoidger]

No not regardless, you deliberately ignored what RG said to try and prove a point. At least try not to put boris Johnson levels of spin on it.

Sorry I must have picked it up wrong, I should have known he would have been talking about money rather than the actual football side of things. Mine and many others thoughts are the same though and it's worrying so many of us think we are in for another bang average or unacceptable season, but I live in hope that we can add 2 or 3 signings That will take us up a level.

[JimBHibees]

Right now would say 5th. I'm really hoping Cabraja and Youan can bring some quality to the team.

Midfield will need to be more consistent than last season and Henderson could be key with goals and assists.

Exactly where I am we will undoubtedly be better than part 2 of last season however difficult to tell exactly how much better. Think 5th with 4th being probably best we can get though think Hearts may struggle with European game impact on league form so may be tighter than people think outside top 2.

[JimBHibees]

I mean of the Josh Doig money, we've brought in so much more than we've spent, when we really needed to make a statement this window, all we've done is bring in an ageing injury prone winger, who's now out for months, and a bunch of young unproven laddies. Not sure how that's giving us any faith it's going to be a succesful season, a couple of standout signings in key positions would make all the difference.

We brought in a direct replacement for Doig. Carabaja who I think promises to be very good given his career thus far.

[Steve20]

6th. Think we'll be slightly better than last year, but squad is nowhere near good enough to challenge top 3.

[Jones28]

Sorry I must have picked it up wrong, I should have known he would have been talking about money rather than the actual football side of things. Mine and many others thoughts are the same though and it's worrying so many of us think we are in for another bang average or unacceptable season, but I live in hope that we can add 2 or 3 signings That will take us up a level.

That’s as sound a response as I’ve ever had on this site 👍🏻

I do have my concerns too, I’m not just happy clapping for the sake of it, agree with your point re signings - 2 or 3 additions would make me feel a lot more comfortable.

I think we’ll get top 6, but that’s not enough imo. We really need to get in to Europe.

[Crunchie]

Ok, so league is about to start.

Out the LC early, exciting inexperienced youngsters with potential, big injury list, unseen new signings, new manager, new tactics, old midfield issues, young talent sold off for millions, and new catering.:greengrin

What’s your gut feeling. Be honest. Where will we finish.
3rd for me, no lower than 5th.

[Crunchie]

8th/9th is about as kind as I can be currently.

Goalkeeper is about the only position I could say, with any authority, that we've improved upon.

The rest is just a lot of hope resting upon inexperienced youngsters.

More worrying is that we still haven't brought in the centre half, and central midfielder almost everyone agrees that we need.

That is unforgivable.
There's that word unforgivable again :faf:, that cracks me up .

[Paulie Walnuts]

10 players in for no money spent? Ron's son truly is a genius

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There would have been money spent without the sale of Doig though, so I think it’s more than fair to question why that money isn’t being spent. We were told it would be and so far, we’ve not got anywhere near £3m plus what we would have spent had we not sold Doig worth of player in.

The exact same goes for the Boyle money too. Our last two windows have seen us sell £6m of players. Throw in what would be our normal budget for players and there’s no way we’ve seen investment of anywhere near that and unfortunately it shows with the squad we’ve got imo.

[Hibernian Verse]

That is unforgivable.

It's a shame you can't forgive the club. I suppose this is the end for you?

[offshorehibby]

I've went with 4th. I think it will be tight again between 6th and 3rd, hearts only managed 3rd cause everyone else were pants last season. Hibs will come good as the season goes on and players gel. GGTTH

[Hibernian Verse]

There would have been money spent without the sale of Doig though, so I think it’s more than fair to question why that money isn’t being spent. We were told it would be and so far, we’ve not got anywhere near £3m plus what we would have spent had we not sold Doig worth of player in.

I highly doubt we got the 3m up front. Transfers are often paid up over time which helps the buying club raise funds and helps the selling club maintain good cash flow.

[Jones28]

I highly doubt we got the 3m up front. Transfers are often paid up over time which helps the buying club raise funds and helps the selling club maintain good cash flow.

RG said as much in his interview.

[Crunchie]

I've went with 4th. I think it will be tight again between 6th and 3rd, hearts only managed 3rd cause everyone else were pants last season. Hibs will come good as the season goes on and players gel. GGTTH
That's where I'm at mate :aok: I think ( hope) they'll struggle with their European games too.

[Key West]

6th at best even on paper the squad looks weak but there might just be enough decent players to get us there.

[JammyDoidger]

I highly doubt we got the 3m up front. Transfers are often paid up over time which helps the buying club raise funds and helps the selling club maintain good cash flow.

Doesn't matter which way you look at it though, if fees are paid up over time then surely we pay what we spend on a player up over time? There's over £6m came in since january on player sales alone, we should be making a couple of statement signings tbf, we were promised it would be re invested into the team and this far I don't think it has.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I highly doubt we got the 3m up front. Transfers are often paid up over time which helps the buying club raise funds and helps the selling club maintain good cash flow.

We didn’t.

We can pay it out in instalments though, much the same way as other teams are doing to us.

Say we’ve received 25% so far, we should be able to spend 25% upfront. We are going to receive 25% end of this season, we can commit to a 25% instalment on a player signed this summer payable next summer.

Likewise with a players contract it’s paid over the course of a number of years so there’s nothing to stop us giving out a large contract based on the money that’s to come in in future instalments.

We don’t need the money in our banks to commit the money to signings. We just need to structure it so that when we’re due the money ties in with when we’re receiving money.

If we’re going to spend the money in the dribs and drabs it’s coming in then it’ll no doubt be spent on a large volume of poorer players rather than a higher volume of good players imo.

[Hibernian Verse]

We didn’t.

We can pay it out in instalments though, much the same way as other teams are doing to us.

Say we’ve received 25% so far, we should be able to spend 25% upfront. We are going to receive 25% end of this season, we can commit to a 25% instalment on a player signed this summer payable next summer.

Likewise with a players contract it’s paid over the course of a number of years so there’s nothing to stop us giving out a large contract based on the money that’s to come in in future instalments.

We don’t need the money in our banks to commit the money to signings. We just need to structure it so that when we’re due the money ties in with when we’re receiving money.

If we’re going to spend the money in the dribs and drabs it’s coming in then it’ll no doubt be spent on a large volume of poorer players rather than a higher volume of good players imo.

We could, but realistically can we afford to re-invest it all in one player smashing our transfer record by over 400%?

You're assuming that 3m players also want to play for Hibs which is the first stumbling block even if we could afford them. If you were that player would you want to join a club that couldn't even qualify for Europe last season and is out one of the cups they can win already?

We need to make incremental progress. The first step to seeing the players you desire in green and white will be qualifying for decent European football like our neighbours. That said, they've not made a marquee signing over 1m either this year.

[Chorley Hibee]

There's that word unforgivable again :faf:, that cracks me up .

Glad that Hibs failing to secure what was required, yet again, cracks you up.

What cracks me up is the blind optimism that this squad of players is good enough to finish 3rd!

[Hibernian Verse]

Glad that Hibs failing to secure what was required, yet again, cracks you up.

What cracks me up is the blind optimism that this squad of players is good enough to finish 3rd!

I think he's getting at the hyperbole. You've suggested you won't be back because you can't forgive the club...I don't know you but I'm sure that's not the case!

[Chorley Hibee]

It's a shame you can't forgive the club. I suppose this is the end for you?

No, I suspect I'll be here long after Ron Gordon, Ben Kensall, Ian Gordon, Lee Johnson et al have left the building.

They're the ones responsible for building the squad, and, at present, I think they've failed.

So if the season pans out as I suspect, then I won't forgive those resposible for it. It doesn't mean I won't be following the club home and away as usual though.

If I'm wrong, I'll hold my hands up accordingly.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We could, but realistically can we afford to re-invest it all in one player smashing our transfer record by over 400%?

You're assuming that 3m players also want to play for Hibs which is the first stumbling block even if we could afford them. If you were that player would you want to join a club that couldn't even qualify for Europe last season and is out one of the cups they can win already?

We need to make incremental progress. The first step to seeing the players you desire in green and white will be qualifying for decent European football like our neighbours. That said, they've not made a marquee signing over 1m either this year.

Sorry, when I said 25% I meant 25% of any outgoing fee, not 25% of the Doig money. I wouldn’t expect us to invest it all into one player.

Nothing to stop us using our £6m (which judging by the players we’ve signed, should be mostly intact and we’ve been told it’s all going to the playing squad) on guys that are costing £700k or so (paid in instalments) or being paid £10k a week (which would be paid over the course of a 3 or 4 year contract). If that gets us 5 players for the 2 we’ve sold who are of a high calibre then that’s the route we should be going down imo. If we just spend it as it comes in then we’ll end up spending the lot on the same standard of players everyone else in the league signs with a huge turnover of them.

[Callum_62]

No, I suspect I'll be here long after Ron Gordon, Ben Kensall, Ian Gordon, Lee Johnson et al have left the building.

They're the ones responsible for building the squad, and, at present, I think they've failed.

So if the season pans out as I suspect, then I won't forgive those resposible for it. It doesn't mean I won't be following the club home and away as usual though.

If I'm wrong, I'll hold my hands up accordingly.

Weve still got a month of the transfer window left and the league campaign hasn't even kicked off yet

Javares, Kenneh have hardly played (2 signings forseen to be big ones)

Cabraja and Youan haven't played (2 fairly expericed players whove been at a decent level)

Thats more than 1/3 of a team

How on earth anyone can say we've failed at this point is beyond my understanding

[Paulie Walnuts]

How on earth anyone can say we've failed at this point is beyond my understanding

Because we’re a day away from our first game of the season, knocked out the cup and we’ve failed to address our midfield issues that have plagued us for years now?

Fair enough if you don’t agree with it but I find it hard to believe you can’t understand it.

[superfurryhibby]

I went for 10th and I fear that's being optimistic.

Team is all over the place, lacking decent personnel in key areas. The midfield is weak, with no drive, creativity. Up front it looks like we will be relying on Doidge and we are in serious need of a centre back. We have been told on here that Hanlon can't be relied upon as a week in, week out player anymore and still not signed a left sided centre back. We have improved the goalkeeper though, which is just as well.

For me that is unforgivable. The Gordon regime will lose all credibility if we stumble our way into crisis this season, which as it stands is very likely.

[WhileTheChief..]

Weve still got a month of the transfer window left and the league campaign hasn't even kicked off yet

Javares, Kenneh have hardly played (2 signings forseen to be big ones)

Cabraja and Youan haven't played (2 fairly expericed players whove been at a decent level)

Thats more than 1/3 of a team

How on earth anyone can say we've failed at this point is beyond my understanding

Do you think any of these 4 will start tomorrow? I’d be surprised if they do.

We’ll have Marshall in goals and might get to see Cabraja at left back. Midfield will probably be the same as last year with Doidge and Melkerson up front.

That’s not a whole lot of strengthening really is it? You can at least understand the point I’m making yeah?

[Callum_62]

Do you think any of these 4 will start tomorrow? I’d be surprised if they do.

We’ll have Marshall in goals and might get to see Cabraja at left back. Midfield will probably be the same as last year with Doidge and Melkerson up front.

That’s not a whole lot of strengthening really is it? You can at least understand the point I’m making yeah?I'd be surpised if atleast 2 don't

Cabraja was signed the day after Doig left (WP pending so outwith our control)

Youan was signed ages ago and his work permit took 5 plus weeks to sort (again, outwith our control)

The good thing is I believe Youan has been in the building so should still be fit - not as if he hasn't done a pre season or that



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[Bushwoof]

I don't know why people think the Dons are going to be so good. They've lost their best players and have signed as random an assortment as we have. As for the Arabs, they'll be difficult to beat but boring as anything to watch. We can do better than them. Obviously the JTs are still in pole position for 3rd, but an injury his season like we had last year could see them struggle just like we did.

We could easily finish 3rd if the new signings gel quickly enough.

Having said all that, I voted 5th.

[bigwheel]

I don't know why people think the Dons are going to be so good. They've lost their best players and have signed as random an assortment as we have. As for the Arabs, they'll be difficult to beat but boring as anything to watch. We can do better than them. Obviously the JTs are still in pole position for 3rd, but an injury his season like we had last year could see them struggle just like we did.

We could easily finish 3rd if the new signings gel quickly enough.

Having said all that, I voted 5th.

They’ve spent about 2M on players ..and seem to be already winning games..seem to have a decent set up this season

[superfurryhibby]

I don't know why people think the Dons are going to be so good. They've lost their best players and have signed as random an assortment as we have. As for the Arabs, they'll be difficult to beat but boring as anything to watch. We can do better than them. Obviously the JTs are still in pole position for 3rd, but an injury his season like we had last year could see them struggle just like we did.

We could easily finish 3rd if the new signings gel quickly enough.

Having said all that, I voted 5th.

You may want to take into account that we currently have Hanlon, McGeady, Nisbet, Mitchell and Magennis unavailable for selection due to injury.

We won't be finishing third, never mind finishing third easily.

[ancient hibee]

Think we'll struggle to get into the top six. Will be more than happy to be proved wrong.

[Keepthefaith]

You may want to take into account that we currently have Hanlon, McGeady, Nisbet, Mitchell and Magennis unavailable for selection due to injury.

We won't be finishing third, never mind finishing third easily.

But does their availability when fit not strengthen the team and therefore increase the chances of a higher finish??!

[He's here!]

I went for 8th, but in the light of the McGeady injury I'm saying 9th or 10th ie not quite poor enough to go down.

[He's here!]

I went for 10th and I fear that's being optimistic.

Team is all over the place, lacking decent personnel in key areas. The midfield is weak, with no drive, creativity. Up front it looks like we will be relying on Doidge and we are in serious need of a centre back. We have been told on here that Hanlon can't be relied upon as a week in, week out player anymore and still not signed a left sided centre back. We have improved the goalkeeper though, which is just as well.

For me that is unforgivable. The Gordon regime will lose all credibility if we stumble our way into crisis this season, which as it stands is very likely.

I've lost track of the signings. Have we really not signed a striker?

Agree with most of what you say alas. As you point out, the likes of Hanlon are hardly likely to be game changers when they return.

[superfurryhibby]

But does their availability when fit not strengthen the team and therefore increase the chances of a higher finish??!

When they are fit is a massive proviso. Nisbet probably won't play much, if any , football this year. McGeady is out and will need recovery time, Hanlon, we have been told by someone close to him, won't be able to play a full season, week in, week out. Magennis, who knows when, if ever, he will play and Mitchell has been out for ages, with setbacks on his recovery. I'm not investing huge hope in them.


I've lost track of the signings. Have we really not signed a striker?

Agree with most of what you say alas. As you point out, the likes of Hanlon are hardly likely to be game changers when they return.

We have signed Bojang, a young forward whose football level has been the Gambian League. A huge step up in terms of football culture and intensity for him to come to Hibs.

The only obvious improvement I've seen is in Marshall. He looks like a high quality player, as his pedigree would suggest. The team lacks a left sided centre half, at least one central midfielder and a striker and we kick off this weekend, with a very demanding schedule ahead of us in August.

[nonshinyfinish]

We have signed Bojang, a young forward whose football level has been the Gambian League.

Bojang was signed from a Gambian club but was playing in Portugal. We've also signed Youan.

[Hibernian Verse]

We have signed Bojang, a young forward whose football level has been the Gambian League. A huge step up in terms of football culture and intensity for him to come to Hibs.


As least get it right when you're presenting things like this as fact.

[LeithMike]

I think this is really hard to call as we're not sure where Hibs are yet. If forced to make a call, I think Hearts, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd were in a better starting position than us and I've not seen enough to convince me we can overtake them over the course of a season. In particular, I don't think we really have a decent spine which every team needs.

I also think McInnes will have Kilmarnock in a decent shape and might scrape 6th place.

I think there won't be much between Hibs, Livingston, Motherwell and Ross County. I think we could be the best of those but if we are languishing in the bottom 6 and the fans turn then we could plummet. I'll, therefore, say 8th but don't think there will be much between 7th and 10th.

Despite our tough opening fixtures I can see us starting relatively well but have a fear on how we'll cope when it gets cold and the pitches cut up.


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[superfurryhibby]

Bojang was signed from a Gambian club but was playing in Portugal. We've also signed Youan.

Ok, Bojang was signed from a Gambian club, albeit that he been playing on loan for half a season for FC Famalicão B side. I'm not sure that adds a great deal to my confidence in his ability to play and score in the SPFL.

Youan is a forward, or is he? He has played a career total of 58 first team games and managed 11 goals. Less inexperienced, with a 1 in 5 strike rate. Promising, maybe, I still feel we will struggle to score goals.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ok, Bojang was signed from a Gambian club, albeit that he been playing on loan for half a season for FC Famalicão B side. I'm not sure that adds a great deal to my confidence in his ability to play and score in the SPFL.

Youan is a forward, or is he? He has played a career total of 58 first team games and managed 11 goals. Less inexperienced, with a 1 in 5 strike rate. Promising, maybe, I still feel we will struggle to score goals.

Agree with your last sentence. I don’t see anything in this squad to suggest we’re not going to struggle for goals again which is really just a bit grim.

[Hibees1973]

My heart says 3rd, my head says 10th.

[Carheenlea]

Sat on the fence with a 6th.

Really don’t have any inkling as to how we will fare, as what we have seen so far has been some very good, as in the training camp matches and Norwich friendly along with a great first half v Clyde. We’ve also seen some very bad, and that Cup exit and team line ups and performance was very alarming.

Will be great if we are competing up the top end for 3rd but I need further encouragement from the team to suggest that’s a possibility. Tomorrow will give us a good indication.

[weecounty hibby]

i steered clear of this thread for obvious reasons. Usual suspects have us fighting relegation. The tarts are world beaters, Aberdeen are back to the Fergie glory days, Dundee Utd are signing big and will be magic like wee Jim was in charge. But most importantly Hibs are pish!! Add in that clearly Motherwell, St Mirren and St Johnstone are clearly better than us then **** me why do we bother. lets also not forget the powerhouses that are Livi and Rossco we are doomed!!!!

4th!!!

[superfurryhibby]

i steered clear of this thread for obvious reasons. Usual suspects have us fighting relegation. The tarts are world beaters, Aberdeen are back to the Fergie glory days, Dundee Utd are signing big and will be magic like wee Jim was in charge. But most importantly Hibs are pish!! Add in that clearly Motherwell, St Mirren and St Johnstone are clearly better than us then **** me why do we bother. lets also not forget the powerhouses that are Livi and Rossco we are doomed!!!!

4th!!!

Aye, let's ignore all attempts at discussion because that's really what people are saying right enough. In terms of why bother, ask yourself that in terms of why post gash like this? :rolleyes:

[Paulie Walnuts]

i steered clear of this thread for obvious reasons. Usual suspects have us fighting relegation. The tarts are world beaters, Aberdeen are back to the Fergie glory days, Dundee Utd are signing big and will be magic like wee Jim was in charge. But most importantly Hibs are pish!! Add in that clearly Motherwell, St Mirren and St Johnstone are clearly better than us then **** me why do we bother. lets also not forget the powerhouses that are Livi and Rossco we are doomed!!!!

4th!!!

You could have saved a hell of a lot of time by just saying you don’t like people having a different opinion to you..

[weecounty hibby]

Aye, let's ignore all attempts at discussion because that's really what people are saying right enough. In terms of why bother, ask yourself that in terms of why post gash like this? :rolleyes:

whatever. Folk have actually said we'll be 10th and 11th. Sone even have us being relegated!! Honestly that is just bull****. And im not trying to stop discussion, ive never said folk cant say it, just think its nonsense and the same folk constantly talking up other clubs and talking ours down

[Paulie Walnuts]

whatever. Folk have actually said we'll be 10th and 11th. Sone even have us being relegated!! Honestly that is just bull****. And im not trying to stop discussion, ive never said folk cant say it, just think its nonsense and the same folk constantly talking up other clubs and talking ours down

Why is it anymore ‘bull****’ than your opinion that we’ll finish 4th? :confused:

[weecounty hibby]

You could have saved a hell of a lot of time by just saying you don’t like people having a different opinion to you.

Also, I’ve seen very few, if any posts suggesting we’ll be fighting relegation.

another one making **** up. Ive not said i dont like folk having different opinions to me. Knock yourself out, i really couldnt give a flying one. I just cant get my head round the constant need to big up every other club and play down ours

[weecounty hibby]

Why is it anymore ‘bull****’ than your opinion that we’ll finish 4th? :confused:

so you think we'll get relegated?

[superfurryhibby]

another one making **** up. Ive not said i dont like folk having different opinions to me. Knock yourself out, i really couldnt give a flying one. I just cant get my head round the constant need to big up every other club and play down ours

Another one making things up, stop it.

I think you should read the thread again. Not seeing much bigging other clubs up really.

Maybe you could offer your prediction and say why you think the team will finish in that position. That's how forums usually work.

[Paulie Walnuts]

so you think we'll get relegated?

Did I say I do?

I don’t think we’ll get relegated. I don’t think we’ll finish 4th either though. And I can’t say I think any of the predictions on here are bull**** either, even the ones I don’t agree with.

[Hibs4185]

Third and Semi final of the scottish cup

[weecounty hibby]

Another one making things up, stop it.

I think you should read the thread again. Not seeing much bigging other clubs up really.

Maybe you could offer your prediction and say why you think the team will finish in that position. That's how forums usually work.
4th as I said hearts have a head start in us I terms of team. Although I live in hope that Europe hurts them. Dundee utd haven't been impressive so far and not convinced that JR will get much more out of them. Aberdeen have signed ok but also lost there best players. Motherwell are honking. St Mirren won't be up to much. Livi will struggle as I dont see hwt they have done to try to improve. St Johnstone look poor but that is probably the kiss of death for tomorrow. Ross County, not sure about but they won't be above us again this season

[Waxy]

My heart says 3rd, my head says 10th.

No it doesnt.Your heart says 4th and your head says 6th.

[weecounty hibby]

Did I say I do?

I don’t think we’ll get relegated. I don’t think we’ll finish 4th either though. And I can’t say I think any of the predictions on here are bull**** either, even the ones I don’t agree with.

Not even the getting relegated one?

[NC1875]

See the daily Ranger have there predictions for the season online now.

We don’t feature on any of the journos picks for the league, cups or top 4 finish.

Most of them have Hearts and Aberdeen as 3rd and 4th.

Get it up on the wall and let’s have a good season and shut them up.

[weecounty hibby]

I should say that my predictions have adegree of green tinted specs on but I make no apologies for that!!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not even the getting relegated one?

Nope, not really.

We were on a relegation style run of form for 9 months last season. We’ve not signed great this window imo with the worst part of our team being the midfield still not any better and we’ve just been papped out the league cup.

I don’t think it’ll happen but on the evidence of the last 9 months and this pre season I wouldn’t say it’s impossible or that it’s bull**** to suggest it.

I personally think we’ll be closer to the bottom of the league than the top in terms of position.

[Lancs Harp]

4th

Entertaining read. Fallouts over guessing where we will finish :)

[Gloucester Hibs]

3rd should be the target. Absolute minimum is top 6 and still being in with a shout of the European spots come the final week or 2.

[superfurryhibby]

4th as I said hearts have a head start in us I terms of team. Although I live in hope that Europe hurts them. Dundee utd haven't been impressive so far and not convinced that JR will get much more out of them. Aberdeen have signed ok but also lost there best players. Motherwell are honking. St Mirren won't be up to much. Livi will struggle as I dont see hwt they have done to try to improve. St Johnstone look poor but that is probably the kiss of death for tomorrow. Ross County, not sure about but they won't be above us again this season

I suspect Hearts will be looking at 3rd again this season. Sadly, they look pretty strong, although they will have the European games to contend with (six extra games minimum?). The rest, no idea. There wasn't much between the sides last year really. From 4rd-11th last year it was varying degrees of poor. It was a luck lustre season overall.

For me this season is a test of credibility for Ron Gordon and his ownership. Much as I think the club is going in the right direction commercially, I don't think we've improved the first team squad enough (Marshall aside) and we remain significantly lacking in key areas.

We are relying on guys like Kenneh, Tavares, Bushiri, Melkersen and Bojang coming good, as well as players we've never really seen, like YOuan and Cabraja making an impact.

The idea that we might be using Newell, Campbell and JDH regularly in midfield.......... After watching that trio perform as a unit last season, it gives me the fear.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think we will be bottom 6 as things stand, and we all know how being in that half of the league can suck you into a dog fight with the other crap.

[hibsforeurope]

What a thoroughly depressing read, going in to the 1st game and so many posts predicting 6th and lower. Just shows how far we have fallen, it’s a far cry from the excitement of even last summer.

[AdidasHibernian]

7th/8th

[Callum_62]

Do you think any of these 4 will start tomorrow? I’d be surprised if they do.

We’ll have Marshall in goals and might get to see Cabraja at left back. Midfield will probably be the same as last year with Doidge and Melkerson up front.

That’s not a whole lot of strengthening really is it? You can at least understand the point I’m making yeah?I hope the manager has called it right

Its a 'who the hell knows what will happen' day [emoji322][emoji106][emoji106]

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[WhileTheChief..]

^^Makes it more exciting!!

Not got a clue about St J, so hoping they're the same as last season.

Certainly got nothing to fear, we can win this today.

[e2los]

I voted 8th, but with Boyler back I'm thinking 4th or 5th.
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[Is It On....]

Predicted 8th a couple weeks ago and nothing has swayed me from that since.

With The Squirrel 🐿️ I think we will be higher than 8th 🙂

[Paulie Walnuts]

I voted 8th, but with Boyler back I'm thinking 4th or 5th.
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I thought about that as well. With Boyle I think we’ve got a real chance of top five. If we could address the glaring centre midfield issue then I may just believe we could actually challenge for third or fourth. :agree:

[blackpoolhibs]

With todays news, top 5 maybe even better, a lot better. :top marks

[Jack Hackett]

After today's news, I think the Poll should be reset :greengrin