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Jonnyboy
24-07-2022, 05:48 PM
Friendly matches are rarely exciting affairs and this one was no different really BUT I was greatly enthused by the second half performance put in by our youngsters. Plenty of enthusiasm, a fair sprinkling of skill and some promise for the future.

The starting eleven raised a few eyebrows what with Marshall and Cadden missing out completely and Josh Campbell once again pressed into action at left back. Interestingly, given all the speculation on here, Ryan Porteous wore the captain’s armband.

I confess that I didn’t recognise a lot of the Norwich lads though the ones I did know were all seasoned first team players. Although they had a mix of experience and youth it became obvious from an early stage in the game that they were very athletic and quite happy to mix it up physically. Quite how Jordan Hugill evaded a yellow card was most likely down to referee Alan Muir being his usual sub-standard self.

In the earliest exchanges, Lewis Miller tested the keeper with a low shot whilst at the other end Dabrowski had to look sharp to push a shot from Rowe round his near post. The game was quite open and next to try his luck was Melkersen who had Angus Gunn racing off his line to clear the ball as the Hibs man closed in.

Norwich had started the better in terms of possession and of course Hugill was getting away with murder in clattering into opponents. Around the twenty minute mark, a Norwich man caught McGeady with a late challenge just as Aiden passed the ball inside. Mr Muir saw little wrong with that challenge, but it was enough to see McGeady limp off and be replaced by Christian Doidge. That enforced change saw Tavares move wide left, Melkerson wide right and Doidge through the middle.

The lad Rowe was looking lively and giving our defenders a tough time, but he was thwarted when Bushiri blocked his shot on the edge of the box. Hibs began to impose themselves more and Melkersen fired just wide, and the same player saw another effort blocked by the legs of Angus Gunn. To that point, little had been seen of Tavares but in fairness he had been tightly marked whenever he got the ball. Hibs were looking more of a threat now and a cross from Doidge was deflected towards goal with Gunn having to tip the ball over the bar. As half time approached, Melkersen won a free kick out on the right which Newell crossed in, but the ball was knocked back to him. His second cross picked out Doidge who rose to head the ball towards the far post where Melkersen was on hand to poke it home.

Norwich made no changes at half time whereas Hibs made eight, bringing on a raft of youngsters. McClelland, MacIntyre, Delferriere, Hamilton, Blaney, Bojang, Tait and McGregor (Daz being the exception when it came to age). They replaced Porteous, Campbell, Kenneh, Tavares, Newell, Melkersen, Bushiri and Henderson and unsurprisingly, Norwich dominated possession in the early part of the half with Rowe once again the danger man but his shot at goal was blocked by Blaney who looked as though he was playing on the right of a back three.

Hibs settled now and despite the lack of first team experience they began to take the game to Norwich. These lads looked well up to the challenge and the crowd, quiet for the first half, began to show its appreciation for the youngsters. Hamilton was denied by substitute keeper Tim Krul and then Doidge should have had a penalty when he chested down a fine Hauge (on for Miller) cross but was pulled back just as he got his shot away. A clear penalty but not in the eyes of the referee who continued to lecture Doidge for complaining about the lack of a decision. Soon after, another Hauge cross was headed wide and then Bojang had an effort blocked on the eighteen yard line. Momodou should have looked up to see the unmarked Hauge but presumably he was just desperate to get on the scoresheet. Right at the death, Dabrowski made a fine save to deny substitute Teemu Pukki and the game was done.

As an exercise it was good to see those youngsters get game time but I’m sure many will feel that decision was not what is perceived to be needed, given the league starts next week. Some, I’m sure, will argue it should have been the strongest eleven from start to finish.

The players (remember the bulk of the first eleven named only played a half)

Dabrowski – Didn’t have a great deal to do but the saves he made were comfortable.

Miller – I was critical of him against Morton, but he was better today, even allowing for the fact that he was fouled numerous times, mostly by Hugill.

Bushiri – Rocky struggled with their bigger strikers, at least in the air, but otherwise he coped well.

Porteous – Standard fare from Ryan. Some good stuff and some not so good stuff.

Campbell – Never a left back but did well enough against their pacy wide players. I’m not sure he’ll ever win his doubters over, but it won’t be for the want of trying.

Tavares – Showed some skill but tried too hard at times for my liking.

Kenneh – Looked much more assured than his last outing and did well in the holding role.

Henderson - Good movement and I was pleased to see him mixing it physically too.

Newell – Put himself about and delivered a fine cross leading to the goal.

McGeady – Wasn’t on for long but when he was, I was impressed by his workrate in getting back to support Campbell.

Melkersen – His movement caused them problems and he was right where he should be to score the only goal of the game.

Doidge – Christian was really poor against Morton but a whole lot better today. His workrate was like it was before his injuries and he did well in the air both in attack and defence.

Blaney – Jacob never looked flustered, was careful with the ball and got forward when given the chance.

McGregor – The old head kept all around him calm as well as putting in a good shift himself.

McClelland – Read the game well and got a few timely interceptions well.

MacIntyre – I’ve heard good thing about Oscar, and I can see why he is so highly regarded. Was superb and dealt with the pace of their forwards with a degree of ease.

Delferriere – Looks a player to me and his energy was mightily impressive.

Hamilton – Robbie did well to create a chance for himself and only a fine save by Krul denied him his first goal for the first team.

Tait – I’ve seen Dylan many times when he played for Raith and always been impressed. That view extends to this game where I felt he looked like the guy we need in our ropey midfield.

Bojang – Looks really rapid but his runs were lacking purpose at times. He needs to learn when to make these runs and if he does, he might prove a handful for opposing defenders.

Hauge – Provided a couple of good crosses and worked hard down the right hand side.

On this occasion, I’m going to refrain from awarding a man of the match because of all the changes at the break. Instead, I’ll offer the three players I think worthy of recognition. Melkersen in the first half with MacIntyre and Tait in the second.

Lee Johnson – Will have learned a lot about the youngsters and I accept that wont help with the league games forthcoming but it’s worthy of note just the same.

Referee – Alan Muir was hopeless.

brog
24-07-2022, 06:05 PM
Friendly matches are rarely exciting affairs and this one was no different really BUT I was greatly enthused by the second half performance put in by our youngsters. Plenty of enthusiasm, a fair sprinkling of skill and some promise for the future.

The starting eleven raised a few eyebrows what with Marshall and Cadden missing out completely and Josh Campbell once again pressed into action at left back. Interestingly, given all the speculation on here, Ryan Porteous wore the captain’s armband.

I confess that I didn’t recognise a lot of the Norwich lads though the ones I did know were all seasoned first team players. Although they had a mix of experience and youth it became obvious from an early stage in the game that they were very athletic and quite happy to mix it up physically. Quite how Jordan Hugill evaded a yellow card was most likely down to referee Alan Muir being his usual sub-standard self.

In the earliest exchanges, Lewis Miller tested the keeper with a low shot whilst at the other end Dabrowski had to look sharp to push a shot from Rowe round his near post. The game was quite open and next to try his luck was Melkersen who had Angus Gunn racing off his line to clear the ball as the Hibs man closed in.

Norwich had started the better in terms of possession and of course Hugill was getting away with murder in clattering into opponents. Around the twenty minute mark, a Norwich man caught McGeady with a late challenge just as Aiden passed the ball inside. Mr Muir saw little wrong with that challenge, but it was enough to see McGeady limp off and be replaced by Christian Doidge. That enforced change saw Tavares move wide left, Melkerson wide right and Doidge through the middle.

The lad Rowe was looking lively and giving our defenders a tough time, but he was thwarted when Bushiri blocked his shot on the edge of the box. Hibs began to impose themselves more and Melkersen fired just wide, and the same player saw another effort blocked by the legs of Angus Gunn. To that point, little had been seen of Tavares but in fairness he had been tightly marked whenever he got the ball. Hibs were looking more of a threat now and a cross from Doidge was deflected towards goal with Gunn having to tip the ball over the bar. As half time approached, Melkersen won a free kick out on the right which Newell crossed in, but the ball was knocked back to him. His second cross picked out Doidge who rose to head the ball towards the far post where Melkersen was on hand to poke it home.

Norwich made no changes at half time whereas Hibs made eight, bringing on a raft of youngsters. McClelland, MacIntyre, Delferriere, Hamilton, Blaney, Bojang, Tait and McGregor (Daz being the exception when it came to age). They replaced Porteous, Campbell, Kenneh, Tavares, Newell, Melkersen, Bushiri and Henderson and unsurprisingly, Norwich dominated possession in the early part of the half with Rowe once again the danger man but his shot at goal was blocked by Blaney who looked as though he was playing on the right of a back three.

Hibs settled now and despite the lack of first team experience they began to take the game to Norwich. These lads looked well up to the challenge and the crowd, quiet for the first half, began to show its appreciation for the youngsters. Hamilton was denied by substitute keeper Tim Krul and then Doidge should have had a penalty when he chested down a fine Hauge (on for Miller) cross but was pulled back just as he got his shot away. A clear penalty but not in the eyes of the referee who continued to lecture Doidge for complaining about the lack of a decision. Soon after, another Hauge cross was headed wide and then Bojang had an effort blocked on the eighteen yard line. Momodou should have looked up to see the unmarked Hauge but presumably he was just desperate to get on the scoresheet. Right at the death, Dabrowski made a fine save to deny substitute Teemu Pukki and the game was done.

As an exercise it was good to see those youngsters get game time but I’m sure many will feel that decision was not what is perceived to be needed, given the league starts next week. Some, I’m sure, will argue it should have been the strongest eleven from start to finish.

The players (remember the bulk of the first eleven named only played a half)

Dabrowski – Didn’t have a great deal to do but the saves he made were comfortable.

Miller – I was critical of him against Morton, but he was better today, even allowing for the fact that he was fouled numerous times, mostly by Hugill.

Bushiri – Rocky struggled with their bigger strikers, at least in the air, but otherwise he coped well.

Porteous – Standard fare from Ryan. Some good stuff and some not so good stuff.

Campbell – Never a left back but did well enough against their pacy wide players. I’m not sure he’ll ever win his doubters over, but it won’t be for the want of trying.

Tavares – Showed some skill but tried too hard at times for my liking.

Kenneh – Looked much more assured than his last outing and did well in the holding role.

Henderson - Good movement and I was pleased to see him mixing it physically too.

Newell – Put himself about and delivered a fine cross leading to the goal.

McGeady – Wasn’t on for long but when he was, I was impressed by his workrate in getting back to support Campbell.

Melkersen – His movement caused them problems and he was right where he should be to score the only goal of the game.

Doidge – Christian was really poor against Morton but a whole lot better today. His workrate was like it was before his injuries and he did well in the air both in attack and defence.

Blaney – Jacob never looked flustered, was careful with the ball and got forward when given the chance.

McGregor – The old head kept all around him calm as well as putting in a good shift himself.

McClelland – Read the game well and got a few timely interceptions well.

MacIntyre – I’ve heard good thing about Oscar, and I can see why he is so highly regarded. Was superb and dealt with the pace of their forwards with a degree of ease.

Delferriere – Looks a player to me and his energy was mightily impressive.

Hamilton – Robbie did well to create a chance for himself and only a fine save by Krul denied him his first goal for the first team.

Tait – I’ve seen Dylan many times when he played for Raith and always been impressed. That view extends to this game where I felt he looked like the guy we need in our ropey midfield.

Bojang – Looks really rapid but his runs were lacking purpose at times. He needs to learn when to make these runs and if he does, he might prove a handful for opposing defenders.

Hauge – Provided a couple of good crosses and worked hard down the right hand side.

On this occasion, I’m going to refrain from awarding a man of the match because of all the changes at the break. Instead, I’ll offer the three players I think worthy of recognition. Melkersen in the first half with MacIntyre and Tait in the second.

Lee Johnson – Will have learned a lot about the youngsters and I accept that wont help with the league games forthcoming but it’s worthy of note just the same.

Referee – Alan Muir was hopeless.


Thanks John, saying Alan Muir is hopeless is like saying Pele was decent! Every ref makes mistakes but this guy has absolutely no feel or empathy for the game. He took over from his namesake Freeland in setting a new bar for incompetence!

Blaster
24-07-2022, 06:13 PM
Pretty much how I saw it too. I think Miller was much better but could have seen red for his awful challenge

Billy Whizz
24-07-2022, 06:16 PM
Pretty much how I saw it too. I think Miller was much better but could have seen red for his awful challenge

That would just have capped it, was a shocker of a tackle

Enjoyed the 2nd much more than the 1st one, I always love to see young talent getting an opportunity, they need to be given much more game time this season, as we have a lot of emerging players

Hiber-nation
24-07-2022, 06:22 PM
That would just have capped it, was a shocker of a tackle

Enjoyed the 2nd much more than the 1st one, I always love to see young talent getting an opportunity, they need to be given much more game time this season, as we have a lot of emerging players

So did I, have to say I was pretty bored in the first half despite us doing OK and it was good to see Rocky continuing his good form. I really enjoyed the 2nd though. Great to see we have so many cracking youngsters coming though.

DaveF
24-07-2022, 06:39 PM
Pretty much how I saw it too. I think Miller was much better but could have seen red for his awful challenge

I can't recall this challenge at all and he was playing on the west stand side 1st half which does not say much for my memory.

Oh, and Muir is an absolute ********.

Tambo
24-07-2022, 06:40 PM
Was a bit more high tempo pressing from the front line and Midfield today.

Melkersen is always on the move and happy he scored and a few occasions stood up for himself, hope he can have a good season and get at least 10 goals.

Delferriere looks like he has a bright future in the game, was really impressed with him on and off the ball. Tait also done himself no harm with his performance.

Was great seeing Daz again at the back and for me he strolled the game still at his age.

Johnson seems a lively chap on the touchline with lots of jokes etc.

Smartie
24-07-2022, 06:44 PM
Lee Johnson – Will have learned a lot about the youngsters and I accept that wont help with the league games forthcoming but it’s worthy of note just the same.



Yeah, I wonder if today was possibly even counter-productive in some ways for Lee?

By that I mean I think it was a useful exercise but he was probably getting close to knowing his first choice team for the first few matches. A few players who had arguably played themselves out of contention did well during the first half today (Doidge, Newell, Campbell, Miller). But I was really impressed by the young lads during the second half.

There are loads of young individuals who look very close to being able to make the step up. It will require a lot of patience and a bit of skill regarding knowing when to chuck them in and when not to but I'd take a bit of convincing that our youngsters aren't a better bet than many of the senior pros at the club.

Not sure what he's going to do come the weekend.

Blaster
24-07-2022, 06:46 PM
I can't recall this challenge at all and he was playing on the west stand side 1st half which does not say much for my memory.

Oh, and Muir is an absolute ********.

It was 2nd half. Got subbed straight after

Jonnyboy
24-07-2022, 07:50 PM
Pretty much how I saw it too. I think Miller was much better but could have seen red for his awful challenge

:agree: It was a very poor challenge and I wondered if there was an element of payback for the rough treatment Miller himself had endured :dunno:

Oh and in my report I've credited two good crosses to Hauge when it was actually Blaney that provided them :hide:

Unseen work
24-07-2022, 07:59 PM
I never thought Rocky struggled at all and actually thought he done well.

Tavares showed flashes of quality, touch and a pass here and there but for me wasn’t involved enough.

Melkersen is learning that role to the right of the striker in a 3 and doing well but I think we need a proper right winger signed, one that can go past players and has a real directness and pace about him.

Kenneh looked much better on the ball and kept it alot more simple, won it back alot for us too as normal.

Miller looks good, I’ve said it since that first pre season game at Hartlepool. Some of the turns, touches etc he does is brilliant and he’s very direct and a great athlete. He also does some silly and very basic errors like some passes but hopefully he irons that out.

uwxm07
24-07-2022, 08:52 PM
[QUOTE=Smartie;7038000]Yeah, I wonder if today was possibly even counter-productive in some ways for Lee?

“There are loads of young individuals who look very close to being able to make the step up. It will require a lot of patience and a bit of skill regarding knowing when to chuck them in and when not to but I'd take a bit of convincing that our youngsters aren't a better bet than many of the senior pros at the club.”

The bit about “patience “ worries me most as .net and our fans are desperate for instant success and struggle with this concept .
I have been at Easter Road many decades and seen good , bad and lots of indifferent. Every season I start with renewed hope and belief …more often than not over the last 50 years I’ve been disappointed .
This year it’s different .
New Manager, owner now understands a bit more , promising youngsters and I’m feeling positive !

I might be wrong ( I have been before 😂) but if I can’t be positive the week before the first league game of the season ….. I really need something else for my last decade(s)

Alfred E Newman
24-07-2022, 08:59 PM
Thanks John, saying Alan Muir is hopeless is like saying Pele was decent! Every ref makes mistakes but this guy has absolutely no feel or empathy for the game. He took over from his namesake Freeland in setting a new bar for incompetence!

:agree:
Alan Muir is hopeless.
How this guy is still allowed to officiate at games is beyond me.

Forza Fred
25-07-2022, 12:00 AM
I never thought Rocky struggled at all and actually thought he done well.

Tavares showed flashes of quality, touch and a pass here and there but for me wasn’t involved enough.

Melkersen is learning that role to the right of the striker in a 3 and doing well but I think we need a proper right winger signed, one that can go past players and has a real directness and pace about him.

Kenneh looked much better on the ball and kept it alot more simple, won it back alot for us too as normal.

Miller looks good, I’ve said it since that first pre season game at Hartlepool. Some of the turns, touches etc he does is brilliant and he’s very direct and a great athlete. He also does some silly and very basic errors like some passes but hopefully he irons that out.

In an interview over here Lewis confirmed that he is still adjusting to the pace of the game in Scotland where ‘if you don’t move the ball quick you get clattered’ and accepts that he has a job ahead of him to make the right back spot his, given Cadden has it.

It was an honest, humble interview, but one that showed his commitment and ambition.

FWIW….Again…..Lewis will be fine when he settles in and comes to terms with the pace of the game.
I’ve seen enough of him, and been around football long enough to feel confident of that.
He’s a young laddie just arrived in a new country and obviously desperate to prove his worth.
It will take him time to get his confidence up…sometimes just now I think he plays the ball more so he doesn’t make a mistake, than be adventurous, but that will eventually come.

I’m just glad he came to a club where the fans are renowned for not making snap judgements and have a degree of patience😉

Smartie
25-07-2022, 12:05 AM
In an interview over here Lewis confirmed that he is still adjusting to the pace of the game in Scotland where ‘if you don’t move the ball quick you get clattered’ and accepts that he has a job ahead of him to make the right back spot his, given Cadden has it.

It was an honest, humble interview, but one that showed his commitment and ambition.

FWIW….Again…..Lewis will be fine when he settles in and comes to terms with the pace of the game.
I’ve seen enough of him, and been around football long enough to feel confident of that.
He’s a young laddie just arrived in a new country and obviously desperate to prove his worth.
It will take him time to get his confidence up…sometimes just now I think he plays the ball more so he doesn’t make a mistake, than be adventurous, but that will eventually come.

I’m just glad he came to a club where the fans are renowned for not making snap judgements and have a degree of patience😉

That’s good to hear and tbh it would make sense.

Some of his touches have been very good but some of his passing and decision making hasn’t been great. Rather than being that of someone who is pish, they just look like the mistakes every player makes when they’re in the early stages of a step up in standard.

I like him. He doesn’t deserve to start ahead of Cadden but he may well get there.

Tbh we have close to a whole team of talented young players who could be very good if we knock off a few rough edges.

Big90inOz
25-07-2022, 05:48 AM
In an interview over here Lewis confirmed that he is still adjusting to the pace of the game in Scotland where ‘if you don’t move the ball quick you get clattered’ and accepts that he has a job ahead of him to make the right back spot his, given Cadden has it.

It was an honest, humble interview, but one that showed his commitment and ambition.

FWIW….Again…..Lewis will be fine when he settles in and comes to terms with the pace of the game.
I’ve seen enough of him, and been around football long enough to feel confident of that.
He’s a young laddie just arrived in a new country and obviously desperate to prove his worth.
It will take him time to get his confidence up…sometimes just now I think he plays the ball more so he doesn’t make a mistake, than be adventurous, but that will eventually come.

I’m just glad he came to a club where the fans are renowned for not making snap judgements and have a degree of patience😉

He just needs to get up to the pace of the game and realise the pressure will come quicker than it did in the A League. Once he settles down I think he will be a very good addition :agree::agree:

JimBHibees
25-07-2022, 06:25 AM
He just needs to get up to the pace of the game and realise the pressure will come quicker than it did in the A League. Once he settles down I think he will be a very good addition :agree::agree:

Agree totally like his physicality and athleticism think might be seen to best effect against teams who attack him rather than one who defend deep as will give him more space.

DaveF
25-07-2022, 08:03 AM
I thought Miller had a more than decent game. Showed some good touches and was much more confident than in previous games. It's going to take him a while to settle in but he will be a good player for us.

GloryGlory
25-07-2022, 09:05 AM
Yeah, I wonder if today was possibly even counter-productive in some ways for Lee?

By that I mean I think it was a useful exercise but he was probably getting close to knowing his first choice team for the first few matches. A few players who had arguably played themselves out of contention did well during the first half today (Doidge, Newell, Campbell, Miller). But I was really impressed by the young lads during the second half.

There are loads of young individuals who look very close to being able to make the step up. It will require a lot of patience and a bit of skill regarding knowing when to chuck them in and when not to but I'd take a bit of convincing that our youngsters aren't a better bet than many of the senior pros at the club.

Not sure what he's going to do come the weekend.

ISTR reading when Johnson was appointed that one of his strengths is seen as bringing young players through to first team level, which is one of the reasons the senior management selected him, given we have so many young players looking to step up from last year's champion U18s, plus the investment we have put in recently into the development team.

GloryGlory
25-07-2022, 09:06 AM
:agree:
Alan Muir is hopeless.
How this guy is still allowed to officiate at games is beyond me.

Funny handshake, probably. :greengrin

jacomo
25-07-2022, 01:25 PM
ISTR reading when Johnson was appointed that one of his strengths is seen as bringing young players through to first team level, which is one of the reasons the senior management selected him, given we have so many young players looking to step up from last year's champion U18s, plus the investment we have put in recently into the development team.


That does make sense.

All managers say they like to give young players a chance, but some are better than others at it.

BILLYHIBS
25-07-2022, 10:51 PM
Thanks for posting John

Good to see the young laddies get a run

The future is bright the future is green and white

The real stuff starts on Saturday

Bring it on