Club Charged

[J-C]

We've sold about 11,500 season tickets which historically for us is quite good. Support isn't dwindling (yet).


How many of those ST's are going to be turning up though, there's the dilemma.

[truehibernian]

Behave.

It's an administrative error and a fairly big one, but everyone makes errors at their work.

And if Clyde beat / had beaten Falkirk ?

It’s an elite top flight football club making a hugely costly error, both financially (potentially) and in terms of club reputation. This is way more than just an administrative error. It’s further exacerbated by the apparent errors in the Rocky and McGinn contracts.

Not having a go mate, but this is a situation that needs further examined by the club as to why these errors are being made.

[Ringothedog]

All you need to do is look at the crucial times they should have been front and centre and weren’t……or waited weeks before coming forward.

Jack Ross sacking, pre and post cup final.
Derby defeats back to back and Maloney being sacked.
Questionable sponsors
Rocky signing (mess)
Paul McGinn situation (mess)
League Cup results and admin fiasco (mess)

Just very recent examples.

Ron has delegated from afar but he pulls the trigger. BK may have done a Zoom call with select fans and may have engaged fans in Portugal. But he’s CEO and he’s overseen all of the above and hasn’t been up front and centre about things as and when they’re rightly questioned - hence (for me), absent and awol fits.

Leeann was able to read the room perfectly and was more visible, honest for want of a better phrase, and connected to the support. She ‘got’ Hibs. Do you really think or get the impression Kensall does - in the same vein?

Is this the same Dempster who presided over 2 seasons of Championship mediocrity? The loyalty points debacle , the Lennon incident, the no shirt sponsor nonsense, employing her Girlfriend from Glasgow City, allowing our stadium to crumble before our eyes?

She did some right but also got a lot wrong, I really despair when history is rewritten.

[greenginger]

It’s the clubs responsibilities to understand the rules of the competition, there’s literally nothing more important for the Head of Football Operations to do. The rules are shared with clubs and available online.


I agree it’s the club’s responsibility but there seems to have been no knowledge of the two booking rule.

The players should have been made aware and emphasis put on avoiding unnecessary bookings.

I don’t believe the players could have been briefed on the rule because you would think one of them would have sussed that that Rocky had been booked twice and couldn’t play and would have spoke up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And if Clyde beat / had beaten Falkirk ?

It’s an elite top flight football club making a hugely costly error, both financially (potentially) and in terms of club reputation. This is way more than just an administrative error. It’s further exacerbated by the apparent errors in the Rocky and McGinn contracts.

Not having a go mate, but this is a situation that needs further examined by the club as to why these errors are being made.

Yup.

I had a wee bit more sympathy for the guy when I presumed he was on about £19k a year. Folk were claiming he’s a young laddie, would earn more working in McDonalds etc.

He’s in a £35k a year job. Not earth shattering but decent enough and a wage that probably means you have to show a bit of accountability. This could be a mistake that costs hundreds of thousands, possibly even prevents us from gaining £1m+ if we done well in the competition.

It’s not just something that can be brushed under the carpet.

[Turkish Green]

...but this is a situation that needs further examined by the club as to why these errors are continually being made.

ftfy

[truehibernian]

We've sold about 11,500 season tickets which historically for us is quite good. Support isn't dwindling (yet).

The actual attendance on match days is much lower trust me. Season tickets might be solid, but they don’t all attend. And many renew out of habit and love for the club. The stands are not as full, hence dwindling.

[Since90+2]

And if Clyde beat / had beaten Falkirk ?

It’s an elite top flight football club making a hugely costly error, both financially (potentially) and in terms of club reputation. This is way more than just an administrative error. It’s further exacerbated by the apparent errors in the Rocky and McGinn contracts.

Not having a go mate, but this is a situation that needs further examined by the club as to why these errors are being made.

I agree, but folk wanting the new Head of Footballing Operations sacked over it it need to calm themselves.

As far as we're aware the guys made one mistake, he's not acted deliberately malicious.

And I doubt the people calling for his head would be happy or find it proportional if they were sacked after making 1 adminstrative error.

[truehibernian]

Is this the same Dempster who presided over 2 seasons of Championship mediocrity? The loyalty points debacle , the Lennon incident, the no shirt sponsor nonsense, employing her Girlfriend from Glasgow City, allowing our stadium to crumble before our eyes?

She did some right but also got a lot wrong, I really despair when history is rewritten.

I prefer the history of a Scottish Cup win, a Championship title win, competing with Hearts and beating them on their own patch, European football and wins in Europe, feel good factor and record season ticket sales - oh and the Lenny aeroplane 😜 I love that chunk of history - all seen from a not so crumbly main stand.

[truehibernian]

I agree, but folk wanting the new Head of Footballing Operations sacked over it it need to calm themselves.

As far as we're aware the guys made one mistake, he's not acted deliberately malicious.

And I doubt the people calling for his head would be happy or find it proportional if they were sacked after making 1 adminstrative error.

I’m not wanting anyone sacked, but the whole department needs the proverbial rocket up the backside.

[Billy Whizz]

Think the Stranraer player who was suspended was Paul Woods. Booked against Queens Park and Dundee, and started last night against Forfar

[hibbyfraelibby]

All you need to do is look at the crucial times they should have been front and centre and weren’t……or waited weeks before coming forward.

Jack Ross sacking, pre and post cup final.
Derby defeats back to back and Maloney being sacked.
Questionable sponsors
Rocky signing (mess)
Paul McGinn situation (mess)
League Cup results and admin fiasco (mess)

Just very recent examples.

Ron has delegated from afar but he pulls the trigger. BK may have done a Zoom call with select fans and may have engaged fans in Portugal. But he’s CEO and he’s overseen all of the above and hasn’t been up front and centre about things as and when they’re rightly questioned - hence (for me), absent and awol fits.

Leeann was able to read the room perfectly and was more visible, honest for want of a better phrase, and connected to the support. She ‘got’ Hibs. Do you really think or get the impression Kensall does - in the same vein?

The sainted Leeann gutted the backroom at HTC, filleted the support structure at Easter Road and then jumped ship when the consequences started rearing its head.

[PaulSmith]

I agree, but folk wanting the new Head of Footballing Operations sacked over it it need to calm themselves.

As far as we're aware the guys made one mistake, he's not acted deliberately malicious.

And I doubt the people calling for his head would be happy or find it proportional if they were sacked after making 1 adminstrative error.

If I were on my probationary period and made such a basic error which cost my company material reputational and financial harm then I’d expect to be given my P45.

[dp00]

A 21 year old laddie running our Football Operations Department.

If that isn't a damning indictment of the shambles behind the scenes at ER then I don't know what is.

Accidentally playing a player that we signed by accident! Even by Hibs standards - that sort of **** up will take some beating!

Is he not pretty experienced tho ? However I would imagine the jump from livi to hibs in a football operating sense is massive


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[21.05.2016]

Really pissed off at the club right now. A joke on and off the pitch. We are fast becoming the latest club to have “banter years”.

All the hard work and strides we made to rebuild the club since the relegation and the feel good factor is gone. We’ve gone backwards massively.

[truehibernian]

The sainted Leeann gutted the backroom at HTC, filleted the support structure at Easter Road and then jumped ship when the consequences started rearing its head.

Can you explain who you mean by she gutted both HTC and the club? I was told about Ron instructing a top to tail review of positions at the club and what was/wasn’t required to save money though. That seems to have panned out given who has left and who has remained. A question of who pulled the metaphorical trigger on those positions in that case. If true of course 😉

[Chorley Hibee]

Is he not pretty experienced tho ? However I would imagine the jump from livi to hibs in a football operating sense is massive


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

With the greatest of respect to him, how experienced can a 21 year old laddie be in administration of one of the top football teams in the country?

He's barely out of school/college for christ sake.

[Turkish Green]

The actual attendance on match days is much lower trust me. Season tickets might be solid, but they don’t all attend. And many renew out of habit and love for the club. The stands are not as full, hence dwindling.

A season ticket buys a seat for the season. similarly, a debenture entitles you to a specific seat in perpetuity.

Some clubs post attendance including ST figures regardless of whether used or empty. Other clubs only post ST figures based on seats sat in. It is only statistics, however I do get upset when the club declares a full house when you can see it is only 70% full or less.

There should be a means (bigger brains than mine needed) of filling the empty ST seats by using them for walk-ups.

[Sir David Gray]

Does Morton now getting a 3-0 win harm Falkirk’s chances of winning the group?

Yes it could do.

If Morton do get awarded a 3-0 win for last night the table will look like this;

1 - Falkirk - Played - 3 Points - 7 GD +1
2 - Hibs - Played - 4 Points - 6 GD +4
3 - Morton - Played - 3 Points - 4 GD +1
4 - Bonnyrigg - Played - 3 Points - 4 GD -2
5 - Clyde - Played - 3 Points - 3 GD -4

If Clyde beat Falkirk and Morton beat Bonnyrigg then Morton would qualify as group winners.

Bonnyrigg could actually qualify as well if Falkirk lose and they beat Morton.

[GloryGlory]

I assume that Rocky will now be suspended for at least the St Johnstone game?

[Mcbizz1998]

How is he absent and BK AWOL? please explain

He isn’t exactly visible to the support is he? Like Dempster was. The only time I ever notice him is when I go on LinkedIn and see him liking literally everything anyone posts. It’s a wonder he gets any work done.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I assume that Rocky will now be suspended for at least the St Johnstone game?

I wouldn’t think so. The club have essentially taken on the punishment.

[Billy Whizz]

The sainted Leeann gutted the backroom at HTC, filleted the support structure at Easter Road and then jumped ship when the consequences started rearing its head.

Absolute rubbish. Too many good people lost their jobs at Hibs, over 70 or so. She had to do as CEO, but the real decision maker was hiding in Florida

[Sir David Gray]

I assume that Rocky will now be suspended for at least the St Johnstone game?

I expect he'll be suspended for the first League Cup match of next season if he's still here.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I wouldn’t think so. The club have essentially taken on the punishment.

Rocky's suspension would have been for the group stages of the League cup only as they reset for the next round. Thing is if he hadn't been booked on Sunday but last night he'd have been clear to play next LC game. Bookings do not spill over into the league only the competition incurred in.

[Bobby's Cinema]

We definitely have. Rafts of new players, going through managers, toxic atmosphere amongst the fans at games. Ron Gordon really needs to get a grip of this before it’s too late.
I actually thought the fans were very generous last night considering it was being treated by the club as a friendly. Things can get worse and quickly.

[Hiber-nation]

I actually thought the fans were very generous last night considering it was being treated by the club as a friendly. Things can get worse and quickly.

It was down to the hard core last night and the fans were very supportive. Although some were understandably going a tad ballistic after the pens.

[flash]

I actually thought the fans were very generous last night considering it was being treated by the club as a friendly. Things can get worse and quickly.

I fail to see how we treated last night as a friendly.

We had our strongest team out and there was no lack of effort.

[GloryGlory]

Rocky's suspension would have been for the group stages of the League cup only as they reset for the next round. Thing is if he hadn't been booked on Sunday but last night he'd have been clear to play next LC game. Bookings do not spill over into the league only the competition incurred in.

So our first LC game next year?

[Since90+2]

If I were on my probationary period and made such a basic error which cost my company material reputational and financial harm then I’d expect to be given my P45.

My sympathies that you work in that kind of environment then

[hibbyfraelibby]

I fail to see how we treated last night as a friendly.

We had our strongest team out and there was no lack of effort.

There will be some on here who would take issue with that strongest team statement. Sure weve got some high profile absentees due to injury but I'm not convinced we played our best players as a group last night.

[H18 SFR]

Today’s news has helped me get over last night’s performance in some weird way.

[aberhibsfc]

The two losses are poor, the suspended player is inexcusable.

How can we expect to compete in the SPL when we faltered in these Cup games?

I do like the efforts to develop youth, but with the cash brought in from Boyle and Doig, we should be bringing in players whom will cause problems for other SPL teams.

[aberhibsfc]

So we’d have been out even if we’d won last night :faf:

Kensell really needs to go. He’s the guy responsible for running the club day to day and he’s failing miserably!

Seems decent at marketing he club, but not seeing anything else.

[WhileTheChief..]

Folk get sacked every day for not doing their jobs properly.

Maybe he pulled an all-nighter doing coke and whatever else and forgot to send an email in the morning. Maybe he doesn't give a damn about his job. Maybe it was nowt to do with him.

Be good to see if we get a fuller explanation before going too radge about one individual.

[WhileTheChief..]

My sympathies that you work in that kind of environment then

I'm 1 month into a 6 month probationary period just now. I would expect to be let go if I failed to carry out any of my primary tasks.

I signed up for it so can't complain. I'd only have myself to blame.

[flash]

There will be some on here who would take issue with that strongest team statement. Sure weve got some high profile absentees due to injury but I'm not convinced we played our best players as a group last night.

Happy to be corrected if you can tell me more.

[jakeshibs]

Owner - Absent
CEO - AWOL
Club Administrators - Embarrassment
Recruitment Team - Failing
Social Media Team - Amateur
New Manager - Pressured
Players - Underperforming
Supporters - Dwindling
Club - Shambles

My thoughts on my club right now. There’s some right good people employed by the club, and who volunteer their valuable time - and the above are failing them and making them a laughing stock, as much as the support.

I’m not normally ‘militant’ by nature but we need Ron out of the club as soon as possible. If there was a buyer or potential buyers when you raised it in the podcast, show your hand Ron, who were/are they? Was it a credible offer? What’s their background?

Sorry but completely disagree
how can you say the owner is absent and needed out of the club

He has invested more in the club and has made more money available than previous owners
we do not have a list of wealthy Hibs supporters who just want to spend their money on our club and Ron certainly did not take this on to make loads of money !
If he every was to consider selling why would he have to explain anything to you, unless you want to buy it and change it as you wish


I am not happy and embarrassed at the current situation but i am not going to pretend that over the past fifty years i have watched anything different.

[H18 SFR]

My sympathies that you work in that kind of environment then

I’m in a promoted post in a school with full SQA responsibilities. If I failed to notice a student hadn’t been registered for an exam etc I’d be gone.

I honestly think the GTCS would go after my registration as well.

[He's here!]

Is this the same Dempster who presided over 2 seasons of Championship mediocrity? The loyalty points debacle , the Lennon incident, the no shirt sponsor nonsense, employing her Girlfriend from Glasgow City, allowing our stadium to crumble before our eyes?

She did some right but also got a lot wrong, I really despair when history is rewritten.

There's no history being rewritten. Dempster did a great job at Hibs and I wish she was still with us.

[SteveHFC]

Morton awarded a 3-0 win.

[Smartie]

There will be some on here who would take issue with that strongest team statement. Sure weve got some high profile absentees due to injury but I'm not convinced we played our best players as a group last night.

Before the game a very strong argument could be made that it was the strongest team we could field from the players we had available.

If the game was ordered to be replayed tomorrow would we play Cadden again at LB? Would Doidge start up front again? Would we go with the same 3 in midfield or try something, anything, to shake that area up?

So with hindsight it wasn't our strongest team.

Looking at it prior to the game an argument could be made that it was.

We didn't treat it as a friendly, that's for sure. That's why I'm concerned tbh.

[H18 SFR]

Jeezo, 3-0 loss and a £5000 fine.

[flash]

Jeezo, 3-0 loss and a £5000 fine.

That was inevitable.

[flash]

There's no history being rewritten. Dempster did a great job at Hibs and I wish she was still with us.

Her tenure was mixed really as laid out above.

[H18 SFR]

That was inevitable.

Sorry, I meant the £5000 fine.

[xqnq1875]

Really is embarrassing from the club, hope they do the right thing and refund every single fan that attended last night, absolutely ****ing embarrassment


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[SteveHFC]

Really is embarrassing from the club, hope they do the right thing and refund every single fan that attended last night, absolutely ****ing embarrassment


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They already should.

[MelbourneHibees]

Really is embarrassing from the club, hope they do the right thing and refund every single fan that attended last night, absolutely ****ing embarrassment


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
100% this.

[Smartie]

Her tenure was mixed really as laid out above.

It was, but given where we were when she took over and when she left, I think she did far more good than bad.

The bad stuff was relatively minor, some of the good stuff was hugely significant.


I don't think our current shower of absolute jokers (the off field staff) would last 5 minutes under her.

[snedzuk]

Sorry, I meant the £5000 fine.

At least £4k of that is suspended.

Premier Sports Cup – Hibernian v Morton – 20/07/22
At a disciplinary hearing today (Thursday 21 July, 2022) a Committee of the Board of the SPFL charged Hibernian FC for playing Rocky Bushiri in their Premier Sports Cup Group D match against Morton at Easter Road on Wednesday 20 July, 2022.
Rocky Bushiri played the full 90 minutes. The game ended in a 1-1 draw, with Morton winning the penalty shoot-out 3-1 for the bonus point.
The Tribunal imposed the following sanctions:
(i) The Club was reprimanded and warned as to future conduct;
(ii) Hibernian’s Premier Sports Cup match v Morton will be recorded as a 3-0 victory for Morton; and
(iii) A fine of £5,000, of which £4,000 is suspended until 30 June 2023 pending any further breaches of SPFL Player Regulations

[flash]

100% this.

Not for me thanks.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Really is embarrassing from the club, hope they do the right thing and refund every single fan that attended last night, absolutely ****ing embarrassment


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Already paid out half the gate to Morton. You'll not see that money back in a hurry

[Stokesy's on fire]

Really is embarrassing from the club, hope they do the right thing and refund every single fan that attended last night, absolutely ****ing embarrassment


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Enough damage has been done without folk crying for refunds.

[Coco Bryce]

We've sold about 11,500 season tickets which historically for us is quite good. Support isn't dwindling (yet).

How many are wishing they hadn't bothered after being duped by more false promises?

[Hermit Crab]

How many are wishing they hadn't bothered after being duped by more false promises?


Me for one.

[SteveHFC]

Me for one.

Likewise.

[buktapurple79]

What a shambles. Out of the league cup. Wish I hadn’t bothered renewing if this is the way were heading. Now have very low trust in the ‘ownership’. Embarrassing.

[Coco Bryce]

Me for one.

Me two.

[Waxy]

Have wage thieves infiltrated our club?

[S4uzee]

Fans will surely be refunded for last night?

[04Sauzee]

How many are wishing they hadn't bothered after being duped by more false promises?

Wouldn't be doing anything else on a Saturday. Watched worse than this.

[Allant1981]

How many are wishing they hadn't bothered after being duped by more false promises?

Not yet but ask the same question in a few months, might be another long season😭

[flash]

Have wage thieves infiltrated our club?

No just relentless self publicists.

[LewysGot2]

Closing in on a centre half acquisition

[TheHarpy76]

It was a colossal cock up and extremely embarrassing.

However, anyone who demands a refund is a ****!

[Casey1875]

I agree, but folk wanting the new Head of Footballing Operations sacked over it it need to calm themselves.

As far as we're aware the guys made one mistake, he's not acted deliberately malicious.

And I doubt the people calling for his head would be happy or find it proportional if they were sacked after making 1 adminstrative error.

I think considering the fact he made such a mess at Livi, people are rightly concerned that he hasn't learned from making massive mistakes. If I had taken a chance on someone then they do that whilst on probation then I would be letting the person go. Far too much of a risk to keep them when they do that weeks into a new job.

[Smartie]

I think considering the fact he made such a mess at Livi, people are rightly concerned that he hasn't learned from making massive mistakes. If I had taken a chance on someone then they do that whilst on probation then I would be letting the person go. Far too much of a risk to keep them when they do that weeks into a new job.

What mess did he make at Livi?

[GreenGray]

What mess did he make at Livi?

Saw someone on Twitter imply that if Livi had qualified for Europe they wouldn’t have been able to play in it because of an admin error he made[emoji2371] not sure how true that is mind


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[marinello59]

Saw someone on Twitter imply that if Livi had qualified for Europe they wouldn’t have been able to play in it because of an admin error he made[emoji2371] not sure how true that is mind


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It’s on a twitter so I’d guess it’s made up. :greengrin

[Coco Bryce]

It’s on a twitter so I’d guess it’s made up. :greengrin

Twitter has much more people with credibility on there than on here. That's why journo's, ex players, agents and media outlets are on it.
Granted there are a few fannies right enough 😀

[Casey1875]

Saw someone on Twitter imply that if Livi had qualified for Europe they wouldn’t have been able to play in it because of an admin error he made[emoji2371] not sure how true that is mind


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This is right, due to his mistake they wouldn't have been allowed to play in Europe. He clearly hasn't learned from this mistake that he was lucky to get away with.

[McIntosh]

You pay with this type of mistake with your job as do they who appointed you.

[mcohibs]

Fans will surely be refunded for last night?

Why? Paid for a game of football and watched a game of football. You don't pay for the result.

[Since452]

Out a competition because of an administrative mistake is a sackable offence imo.

[Putty_07]

Been awarded a 0-3 now for last night shambles.

seasons not even kicked of yet and I’m wishing it was over already.

[Wakeyhibee]

How can this be an "administrative error" ? its in the rules, the booking were recent. It's laughable.

Saying "sorry, we're a shambles on and off the park" would have been honest at least.

That statement is more embarrassing than the football.

[Since452]

It was a colossal cock up and extremely embarrassing.

However, anyone who demands a refund is a ****!

Yup. Same as folk saying they wish they hadn't bought a season ticket. *****bags.

[1875Sean]

If it is the guy from Livvys mistake is what Hibs get for paying peanuts for members of staff! I remember seeing it advertised and the pay was something like 35k, for someone in that position it’s a bit of a joke of a salary, even when Hibs advertise for like plumbers etc they are paying like 10-15k less than what they would earn elsewhere

[mcohibs]

How can this be an "administrative error" ? its in the rules, the booking were recent. It's laughable.

Saying "sorry, we're a shambles on and off the park" would have been honest at least.

That statement is more embarrassing than the football.

Because that's what it was. Not sure what you expect Hibs to come out and say other than what they have?

[Tyler Durden]

This is right, due to his mistake they wouldn't have been allowed to play in Europe. He clearly hasn't learned from this mistake that he was lucky to get away with.

What was that mistake then?

[Casey1875]

What was that mistake then?

He did not file the necessary paperwork.

[mcohibs]

He did not file the necessary paperwork.

What's your source for that or is it just the same thing that's flying about Twitter etc? I've seen it but not sure how much truth there is in it

[mcohibs]

I might be missing something but it's being reported we're out of the cup because we can't catch Falkirk. Is there not still a chance we'll finish as one of the three best runners up in the group?

[Mantis Toboggan]

I might be missing something but it's being reported we're out of the cup because we can't catch Falkirk. Is there not still a chance we'll finish as one of the three best runners up in the group?

Not with 6 points

[Tyler Durden]

He did not file the necessary paperwork.

Anything more specific than that?

Seems to have been well regarded at Livi.

[Mantis Toboggan]

Have wage thieves infiltrated our club?

Wage thieves are very sneaky aren't they

[Bostonhibby]

Not with 6 pointsDoes most goals in a half against Clyde not get us something?

Bloody well should I say, can't wait for the opportunity to buy the DVD

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

[Casey1875]

What's your source for that or is it just the same thing that's flying about Twitter etc? I've seen it but not sure how much truth there is in it

I was aware of it in 2021 as I was told by someone at livi, but had no idea who the guy was until we appointed him and they reminded me. I'm sure if you Google it there will be something that mentions it although likely not his name.
It is up to you if you want to believe it or not that it was him.

[Casey1875]

Anything more specific than that?

Seems to have been well regarded at Livi.

From memory it was something to do with applying for a licence.

[xyz23jc]

Does most goals in a half against Clyde not get us something?

Bloody well should I say, can't wait for the opportunity to buy the DVD

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

Can we not storm Hampden or something? Maybe get an official apology years down the line...? :thumbsup:

[mcohibs]

Not with 6 points

Only Airdrie and Killie have more points than us as fellow second place teams.

And as it stands our goal difference is higher than the other groups' second place teams on 6 points.

So I think even with the point deduction we are currently still going through. ******g long shot it stays that way but its being reported everywhere that we're officially out and I don't think that is actually the case.

[mcohibs]

I was aware of it in 2021 as I was told by someone at livi, but had no idea who the guy was until we appointed him and they reminded me. I'm sure if you Google it there will be something that mentions it although likely not his name.
It is up to you if you want to believe it or not that it was him.

Fair enough, I hadn't heard of it until today

[Tyler Durden]

I was aware of it in 2021 as I was told by someone at livi, but had no idea who the guy was until we appointed him and they reminded me. I'm sure if you Google it there will be something that mentions it although likely not his name.
It is up to you if you want to believe it or not that it was him.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56688895.amp

Depends what you choose to believe. Failure to submit accounts by a particular date would not be in the remit of this individual IMHO. Probably COVID related and they doubtless weren’t in the habit of giving much thought to regulations related to European qualification.

If they’d had qualified they would have surely been allowed to play

[Bostonhibby]

Can we not storm Hampden or something? Maybe get an official apology years down the line...? [emoji106]Can't be ersed travelling all that way, would it be acceptable to shout a few angry words at my local post office and get them to pass it on for a small charge?

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

[1875Sean]

Is it the same guy which admin error ended us buying Rocky?

[theonlywayisup]

Only Airdrie and Killie have more points than us as fellow second place teams.

And as it stands our goal difference is higher than the other groups' second place teams on 6 points.

So I think even with the point deduction we are currently still going through. ******g long shot it stays that way but its being reported everywhere that we're officially out and I don't think that is actually the case.

You do realise that many teams around us on 5 or 6 points still have a game to play.

The last 16 is made up of 5 European teams, 8 group winners and three best second placed teams.

Group A - a Stirling Albion win or a Raith point would put both teams above us
Group B - two teams already have more than 6 points
Group C - 2nd place Dunfermline (6 points) play 3rd place Alloa (5 points) - it's impossible for both teams to be below us
Group D - if either 3rd place Bonnyrigg or 4th place Morton win then the winners go above us
Group E - two teams already have more than 6 points
Group F - only a bizzare set of results would stop one of Queens of the South, St Johnstone or Ayr United from overtaking our 6 points
Group G - Livingston only need 1 point from a home game against Kelty Hearts
Group H - Queens Park and Hamilton both have 6 points and they play each other - it's impossible for both teams to be below us

So that's the second place teams from Group B, Group C, Group E and Group H who will have more points than our 6.

Don't know if your comments is a whoosh moment, but we're out. End of!

[mcohibs]

You do realise that many teams around us on 5 or 6 points still have a game to play.

The last 16 is made up of 5 European teams, 8 group winners and three best second placed teams.

Group A - a Stirling Albion win or a Raith point would put both teams above us
Group B - two teams already have more than 6 points
Group C - 2nd place Dunfermline (6 points) play 3rd place Alloa (5 points) - it's impossible for both teams to be below us
Group D - if either 3rd place Bonnyrigg or 4th place Morton win then the winners go above us
Group E - two teams already have more than 6 points
Group F - only a bizzare set of results would stop one of Queens of the South, St Johnstone or Ayr United from overtaking our 6 points
Group G - Livingston only need 1 point from a home game against Kelty Hearts
Group H - Queens Park and Hamilton both have 6 points and they play each other - it's impossible for both teams to be below us

So that's the second place teams from Group B, Group C, Group E and Group H who will have more points than our 6.

Don't know if your comments is a whoosh moment, but we're out. End of!

That's a lot of effort you've put into your post mate, sadly I think you've misread what I was trying to say. No woosh moment for me, I understand there are games to play and how the competition works.

All I was commenting on was that the media, Sky Sports, BBC Scotland etc. are reporting that we are 'officially' out of the competition because of the points deduction and giving the reason for that as being because we can't catch Falkirk. That's false because as it stands we're still heading through. They haven't got a scooby how the competition works and are all just copying each others' headlines.

[007]

That's a lot of effort you've put into your post mate, sadly I think you've misread what I was trying to say. No woosh moment for me, I understand there are games to play and how the competition works.

All I was commenting on was that the media, Sky Sports, BBC Scotland etc. are reporting that we are 'officially' out of the competition because of the points deduction and giving the reason for that as being because we can't catch Falkirk. That's false because as it stands we're still heading through. They haven't got a scooby how the competition works and are all just copying each others' headlines.

Even if we are currently one of the 3 best 2nd placed teams, the point theonlywayisup is making is that it is impossible for it to stay that way and, as stated by the media, because we cannot now top the group, we are out of the cup.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

That's a lot of effort you've put into your post mate, sadly I think you've misread what I was trying to say. No woosh moment for me, I understand there are games to play and how the competition works.

All I was commenting on was that the media, Sky Sports, BBC Scotland etc. are reporting that we are 'officially' out of the competition because of the points deduction and giving the reason for that as being because we can't catch Falkirk. That's false because as it stands we're still heading through. They haven't got a scooby how the competition works and are all just copying each others' headlines.

We're out, as per the post you quoted.

[mcohibs]

Ah **** sake I've had a shocker 😂 time for bed

[Jones28]

I’m even angrier about this now than when I first read it.

It’s proper diddy team pish, utterly unprofessional and I’d have no issue with whoever was responsible for this getting sacked along with the person who appointed them.

Absolute *****.

[Big_Franck]

Is it the same guy which admin error ended us buying Rocky?

I may be wrong but I think this new guy only started in the summer after Rocky had already played the games which triggered the loan contract clause. The last guy left in February and it seems the gap in not having a club secretary/head of football operations for several months is what lead to the error with Rocky. No doubt the peanuts being offered as a wage was why we spent months looking for someone and then took this young guy from Livi.

[007]

Ah **** sake I've had a shocker 😂 time for bed

👍 No worries, you were just hoping against hope that we could still get through.

[One Day Soon]

Are we saying that on top of losing to Falkirk and managing only a draw at home to Morton we have now also managed to administratively exit ourselves from the cup for failing to comply with basic rules?

[Chorley Hibee]

Are we saying that on top of losing to Falkirk and managing only a draw at home to Morton we have now also managed to administratively exit ourselves from the cup for failing to comply with basic rules?

By accidentally playing a guy we signed by accident, just to compound matters.

[007]

Are we saying that on top of losing to Falkirk and managing only a draw at home to Morton we have now also managed to administratively exit ourselves from the cup for failing to comply with basic rules?

You're a bit late to the party but, yes, that is what happened. Imagine the fallout if we'd actually scraped a win last night.

[marinello59]

Are we saying that on top of losing to Falkirk and managing only a draw at home to Morton we have now also managed to administratively exit ourselves from the cup for failing to comply with basic rules?

Looks like we are going to end every week of the season with a cliffhanger. :greengrin

[LewysGot2]

So the Livingston thing was not having a youth academy set up properly and not filing financial accounts? Without wanting to defend what happened yesterday re Bushiri, those issues at Livingston would have been the fault of key board members/office bearers and not the volunteer part time office administrator.

How things grow arms and legs.

[dp00]

This might have been the new guys fault however could be loads of reasons for that ? Maybe he never got a correct handover , maybe hibs don’t have correct processes in place , especially given there was massive gap between one head of operations leaving and other starting

The impression i got was the guy from livi was highly thought of at livi and around Scottish football

Let’s not hang him out too dry before we know the facts


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[cameronw-hfc]

This might have been the new guys fault however could be loads of reasons for that ? Maybe he never got a correct handover , maybe hibs don’t have correct processes in place , especially given there was massive gap between one head of operations leaving and other starting

The impression i got was the guy from livi was highly thought of at livi and around Scottish football

Let’s not hang him out too dry before we know the facts


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

He was, and is highly thought of. He's also only 23 and looks it, so when he was announced, there was already the "ffs hiring a child" "hiring a secretary" chat, so it seems like someones pushed a rumour to make the easy target, new guy the scapegoat here.

When something goes wrong its always easier when there's someone to blame.

[Smartie]

He was, and is highly thought of. He's also only 23 and looks it, so when he was announced, there was already the "ffs hiring a child" "hiring a secretary" chat, so it seems like someones pushed a rumour to make the easy target, new guy the scapegoat here.

When something goes wrong its always easier when there's someone to blame.

We have a courtesy thing pinned up at work, a collection of bullet points.

One of them is "blame the system, not the person".

Rather than think that this is going to be resolved with a head on a stick, I think some serious investigations need to be made into however this system broke down on this occasion and it must never be allowed to happen again.

[James70]

Hibs have a policy now of employing people from the top down who don't have a clue what they're doing. Management, recruitment, playing staff, you name it.

[andrew70]

He was, and is highly thought of. He's also only 23 and looks it, so when he was announced, there was already the "ffs hiring a child" "hiring a secretary" chat, so it seems like someones pushed a rumour to make the easy target, new guy the scapegoat here.

When something goes wrong its always easier when there's someone to blame.

He is to blame though.

The club are sticking by him though, rightly or wrongly but hopefully he will now read the paperwork correctly and in its entirety.

I think, though, that this is too big a job for him. He would have been out the door at Livi too for certain mistakes if he never started off doing it for nowt.

Hibs can’t afford the same sentimentality so hopefully he has learned.

[marinello59]

He is to blame though.

The club are sticking by him though, rightly or wrongly but hopefully he will now read the paperwork correctly and in its entirety.

I think, though, that this is too big a job for him. He would have been out the door at Livi too for certain mistakes if he never started off doing it for nowt.

Hibs can’t afford the same sentimentality so hopefully he has learned.

We don’t really know who is to blame, either individually or collectively.

[007]

We don’t really know who is to blame, either individually or collectively.

I blame cabbageandribs1875 for saying Rocky's booking v Bonnyrigg was his 1st of the season when he'd already been booked v Falkirk. 😯

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?358254-Bonnyrigg-v-Hibs&p=7027143&viewfull=1#post7027143

[Crunchie]

Feel for the guy starting a hectic new role, but yes it must be said that this is a massive howler. How nobody picked up on it is beyond me.
Agreed, surely Rocky himself must have known too. It's a blessing we didn't beat Morton after all. As the song goes 'Things can only get better' :greengrin

[Danderhall Hibs]

Some really poor comments about the boy - he’s made a mistake, it could’ve been costly but wasn’t due to the ineptitude of the players. I’m sure he feels terrible and I’m sure he’ll not make the same mistake again.

[killie-hibby]

Martin Geissler on BBC radio Scotland at 0635 this morning mocking and laughing at our league cup balls up. He would be suspended or sacked if reacting similarly towards either of the Bigot Twins.

[flash]

Hibs have a policy now of employing people from the top down who don't have a clue what they're doing. Management, recruitment, playing staff, you name it.

A career in comedy awaits.

[500miles]

Agreed, surely Rocky himself must have known too. It's a blessing we didn't beat Morton after all. As the song goes 'Things can only get better' :greengrin

Rocky might have known he was booked, but not been aware of the immediate suspension, as there is usually a week's delay in league games.

[Coco Bryce]

Martin Geissler on BBC radio Scotland at 0635 this morning mocking and laughing at our league cup balls up. He would be suspended or sacked if reacting similarly towards either of the Bigot Twins.

To be fair. Everyone is laughing at us.

Off The Ball will also quite rightly rip the pish out of us tomorrow.

[superfurryhibby]

Agreed, surely Rocky himself must have known too. It's a blessing we didn't beat Morton after all. As the song goes 'Things can only get better' :greengrin

Yep, let's blame the player rather than the club's administration. Rocky must have known........:rolleyes:

[Scotty Leither]

Martin Geissler on BBC radio Scotland at 0635 this morning mocking and laughing at our league cup balls up. He would be suspended or sacked if reacting similarly towards either of the Bigot Twins.

He’s a posh boy Jambo twat.

[Since452]

Martin Geissler on BBC radio Scotland at 0635 this morning mocking and laughing at our league cup balls up. He would be suspended or sacked if reacting similarly towards either of the Bigot Twins.

Unfortunately we've brought it on ourselves.

[SlickShoes]

Agreed, surely Rocky himself must have known too. It's a blessing we didn't beat Morton after all. As the song goes 'Things can only get better' :greengrin

I don't know how you expect players to know the suspension rules of all competitions they play in.

Early entry cup rounds are traditionally 3 yellows too before a suspension, but here it is 2 for some reason.... getting two yellows in separate games resulting in the same ban as a red card in one game is ridiculous.

[Aldo]

Yes mistakes are made however nit at this level! We are supposed to be a professional football team and there is nothing professional about this.

Lists of suspensions etc are published for every competition weekly by the powers at be and whilst the club should be aware of suspensions etc this is a little back up to ensure they know.

This is now twice an admin error has cost us (woeful football has a part to play in second one) and if it is the same person making these basic mistakes then they should be relieved of their duties and pronto!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't know how you expect players to know the suspension rules of all competitions they play in.

Early entry cup rounds are traditionally 3 yellows too before a suspension, but here it is 2 for some reason.... getting two yellows in separate games resulting in the same ban as a red card in one game is ridiculous.

Yeah. Forgetting the fact we’ve fallen foul of the rules, 2 yellows and suspended is absolutely ridiculous.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yeah. Forgetting the fact we’ve fallen foul of the rules, 2 yellows and suspended is absolutely ridiculous.

Is it not like that in international football too?

I'm thinking of the Euros or World Cup. There's always pundits greeting that so and so should be available for a big game and that it's not fair to be suspended for 2 yellows.

Whether we agree with the rule or not, it's there, and we should have known about it.

[degenerated]

He is to blame though.

The club are sticking by him though, rightly or wrongly but hopefully he will now read the paperwork correctly and in its entirety.

I think, though, that this is too big a job for him. He would have been out the door at Livi too for certain mistakes if he never started off doing it for nowt.

Hibs can’t afford the same sentimentality so hopefully he has learned.What mistakes at Livi?

[hibbyfraelibby]

By accidentally playing a guy we signed by accident, just to compound matters.

Rocky will turn out to be the bestest ever accident waoting to happen accident we've ever signed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is it not like that in international football too?

I'm thinking of the Euros or World Cup. There's always pundits greeting that so and so should be available for a big game and that it's not fair to be suspended for 2 yellows.

Whether we agree with the rule or not, it's there, and we should have known about it.

No idea tbh.

I don’t disagree with your last paragraph at all. I just think it’s a ludcrious amoun of bookings to lead to a suspension no matter what tournament it is.

[overdrive]

I don't know how you expect players to know the suspension rules of all competitions they play in.

Early entry cup rounds are traditionally 3 yellows too before a suspension, but here it is 2 for some reason.... getting two yellows in separate games resulting in the same ban as a red card in one game is ridiculous.

Yep, can't blame Rocky for this.

Added to that, his manager says "Rocky, you're starting tonight", he would reasonably assume the club have checked he's eligible to play. That's not a dig at LJ BTW. I don't expect it to be up to the manager to be keeping track of which squad members have been booked, when and in which competition.

[CropleyWasGod]

Has Rocky now served his suspension, give that he didn't play in a game that never was?

Asking for the Club's admin team.

:cb

[JimBHibees]

Martin Geissler on BBC radio Scotland at 0635 this morning mocking and laughing at our league cup balls up. He would be suspended or sacked if reacting similarly towards either of the Bigot Twins.

Was he doing he same when Hearts I'd something similar few years back.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Has Rocky now served his suspension, give that he didn't play in a game that never was?

Asking for the Club's admin team.

:cb

You’d have to imagine so.

[JimBHibees]

Yes mistakes are made however nit at this level! We are supposed to be a professional football team and there is nothing professional about this.

Lists of suspensions etc are published for every competition weekly by the powers at be and whilst the club should be aware of suspensions etc this is a little back up to ensure they know.

This is now twice an admin error has cost us (woeful football has a part to play in second one) and if it is the same person making these basic mistakes then they should be relieved of their duties and pronto!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The Sfa website seemed to not have a page for this season for suspensions when I checked yesterday so wouldn't take it for granted the powers at be are on it. Absolutely our fault however three teams have now fallen foul of his in last couple of weeks which seems very high. On another point do Livi potentially benefit from his mistake. :greengrin

[Aldo]

The Sfa website seemed to not have a page for this season for suspensions when I checked yesterday so wouldn't take it for granted the powers at be are on it. Absolutely our fault however three teams have now fallen foul of his in last couple of weeks which seems very high. On another point do Livi potentially benefit from his mistake. :greengrin

Their website might not be up to date but surely they’d send an email to every club regarding suspensions etc and what game will be missed!

I don’t know about the last part Jim!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[H18 SFR]

Their website might not be up to date but surely they’d send an email to every club regarding suspensions etc and what game will be missed!

I don’t know about the last part Jim!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

There is a member club intranet they use for this. The internet publications are not used officially.

[Aldo]

There is a member club intranet they use for this. The internet publications are not used officially.

Thanks. So in essence Rocky’s suspension would have been highlighted there!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[H18 SFR]

Thanks. So in essence Rocky’s suspension would have been highlighted there!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah, we are 100% banged to rights here.

[Aldo]

Yeah, we are 100% banged to rights here.

Makes it even worse if it’s there for us to check and see! Really poor!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[munchar]

The Sfa website seemed to not have a page for this season for suspensions when I checked yesterday so wouldn't take it for granted the powers at be are on it. Absolutely our fault however three teams have now fallen foul of his in last couple of weeks which seems very high. On another point do Livi potentially benefit from his mistake. :greengrin

100% Hibs fault. We’re a *****in embarrassment. Release a statement saying Rockys released, then find out we’ve “forgot” there was a clause to offer a 3 year deal once so many games played. Even more astonishing that he achieved these numbers in meaningless games. He’s obviously not wanted, yet we play him in every competitive game so far. I don’t get it. To then “forget” he was suspended is another unbelievable mistake, given there’s already been other sides done the same. If it’s the same person responsible for both mistakes, they should be dismissed immediately. Once is unacceptable, twice is unbelievably incompetent.

[CallumLaidlaw]

100% Hibs fault. We’re a *****in embarrassment. Release a statement saying Rockys released, then find out we’ve “forgot” there was a clause to offer a 3 year deal once do many games played. Even more astonishing that he achieved these numbers in meaningless games. He’s obviously not wanted, yet e play him in every competitive game so far. I don’t get it. To then “forget” he was suspended is another unbelievable mistake, given there’s already been other sides done the same. If it’s the same person responsible for both mistakes, they should be dismissed immediately. Once is unacceptable, twice is unbelievably incompetent.

That’s not what happened but choose to believe it if you want.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[munchar]

That’s not what happened but choose to believe it if you want.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What did happen then?

[CallumLaidlaw]

What did happen then?

Agreement was if he hit 50% of available appearances. Which would’ve been 11 games. He featured in 14.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[munchar]

Agreement was if he hit 50% of available appearances. Which would’ve been 11 games. He featured in 14.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So why did we release a statement saying he was released then?

[CallumLaidlaw]

So why did we release a statement saying he was released then?

He wasn’t released. His loan period had come to an end. And we thanked all the loan players.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[sleeping giant]

So why did we release a statement saying he was released then?

There wasn't a statement saying he was released.

[Mcbizz1998]

He wasn’t released. His loan period had come to an end. And we thanked all the loan players.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It was included in an article to thank the departing players. Every single other player in that article, whether loan of permanent, has now left the club.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/hibernian-thanks-players-departing-in-2022

If it wasn’t a cock up with the Bushiri deal then it was certainly badly communicated.

[munchar]

It was included in an article to thank the departing players. Every single other player in that article, whether loan of permanent, has now left the club.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/hibernian-thanks-players-departing-in-2022

If it wasn’t a cock up with the Bushiri deal then it was certainly badly communicated.

Correct. If we intended keeping him, it would’ve been written that after his loan deal, we’re delighted to say he’s signed a 3 year deal.
LJ already saying he’s a work in progress. Can possibly forgive the wording “if” that’s all it was, but no forgiving the suspension.

[Smartie]

It was included in an article to thank the departing players. Every single other player in that article, whether loan of permanent, has now left the club.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/hibernian-thanks-players-departing-in-2022

If it wasn’t a cock up with the Bushiri deal then it was certainly badly communicated.

If it wasn’t a cook up then the message announcing his signing was disgracefully misjudged.

(It was poor irrespective tbh).

[He's here!]

The sainted Leeann gutted the backroom at HTC, filleted the support structure at Easter Road and then jumped ship when the consequences started rearing its head.

Bizarre take.

She played an integral role in reconnecting the club with its fans and returning Hibs to respectability after years of aimless drifting. The club has regressed at an alarming rate of knots without her and has become one I find increasingly hard to warm to these days. Hibs remind me of Hearts under Vlad/early Budge...a conveyer belt of players and managers with no sense of collective identity.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Bizarre take.

She played an integral role in reconnecting the club with its fans and returning Hibs to respectability after years of aimless drifting. The club has regressed at an alarming rate of knots without her and has become one I find increasingly hard to warm to these days. Hibs remind me of Hearts under Vlad/early Budge...a conveyer belt of players and managers with no sense of collective identity.

Good post, would have LD back in a heartbeat. Of all the folk that could/should be in the firing line for criticism just now LD should be way down that list

[Since452]

Leeann Dempster's time at Hibs had run its natural course. Eternally grateful for her good work but it wasn't all a fairytale, especially towards the end. She made mistakes too.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Has Rocky now served his suspension, give that he didn't play in a game that never was?

Asking for the Club's admin team.

:cb

As the club has completed the section stage round his record is reset. Tgats the daft thing about this rule change. If he had veen booked against Morton rather than Bonnyrigg he wouldn't have been suspended in the knock out stage.

[Wheat Hound]

https://twitter.com/STVSport/status/1550548115069214720?s=20&t=Qmgd84kApV6MZvAtWNY4FQ

[buktapurple79]

Bizarre take.

She played an integral role in reconnecting the club with its fans and returning Hibs to respectability after years of aimless drifting. The club has regressed at an alarming rate of knots without her and has become one I find increasingly hard to warm to these days. Hibs remind me of Hearts under Vlad/early Budge...a conveyer belt of players and managers with no sense of collective identity.


Good post, would have LD back in a heartbeat. Of all the folk that could/should be in the firing line for criticism just now LD should be way down that list

Bang on. Some crazy revisionism going on about LD. The Yams couldnae stand her cause they knew she did the business. Frame RG and the current set-up in the present and deal wae facts, trying to tarnish Leanne is just bampottery.

[Mikey_1875]

https://twitter.com/STVSport/status/1550548115069214720?s=20&t=Qmgd84kApV6MZvAtWNY4FQ

Didn’t expect that, feels like we are being punished twice.

[Billy Whizz]

https://twitter.com/STVSport/status/1550548115069214720?s=20&t=Qmgd84kApV6MZvAtWNY4FQ

Really harsh on Rocky

[Sir David Gray]

https://twitter.com/STVSport/status/1550548115069214720?s=20&t=Qmgd84kApV6MZvAtWNY4FQ

Is it normal for a player who has played when ineligible to be charged?

The responsibility for this surely lies with our Head of Football Operations. Presumably Bushiri will be banned if he's found guilty of this offence, has that happened to other players who have been involved in similar scenarios?

[HoboHarry]

Yet another fine example of rank stupidity from those that run our game. Like it's the players job to keep track? FFS.

[buktapurple79]

https://twitter.com/STVSport/status/1550548115069214720?s=20&t=Qmgd84kApV6MZvAtWNY4FQ

Too far.

[h185forever]

A couple of points arise here ….the SFA seem to thing Rocky is a guilty party ..ie he should’ve known ? ……and why has the Stranraer player not been cited ? …..

[Billy Whizz]

Is it normal for a player who has played when ineligible to be charged?

The responsibility for this surely lies with our Head of Football Operations. Presumably Bushiri will be banned if he's found guilty of this offence, has that happened to other players who have been involved in similar scenarios?


What have Hibs/Rocky done that the likes of Stranraer etc, as their players haven’t been charged

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

[cabbageandribs1875]

where's the .net statisticians, how many bookings has Rocky picked up since he came on loan, must be a pretty high number

feels like he's not managed to go more than 3 games without a yellow card

[h185forever]

where's the .net statisticians, how many bookings has Rocky picked up since he came on loan, must be a pretty high number

feels like he's not managed to go more than 3 games without a yellow card


he’s played 19 ….booked 9 times plus a straight red …poor

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=105718&season_id=154

[Sir David Gray]

A couple of points arise here ….the SFA seem to thing Rocky is a guilty party ..ie he should’ve known ? ……and why has the Stranraer player not been cited ? …..

That's kind of what I was asking with my question. No idea why Bushiri is being charged when other players in the same boat haven't.

In an ideal world a player would be aware of when they're suspended but I'm not sure they should be held responsible if the person at the club who is paid to keep track of such issues has failed to pick up on it and the player is picked to play.

If he's banned for our first League Cup match of next season (if he's still here) then that would make sense but not if others aren't facing the same punishment.

[h185forever]

Agreed 2 punishments for the one “crime”…. Hardly justice ……some **** at the SFA hates Hibs

[Sir David Gray]

he’s played 19 ….booked 9 times plus a straight red …poor

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=105718&season_id=154

That must be worse than Ryan Porteous' disciplinary record over the same period which is quite impressive.

[Since452]

100% Hibs fault. We’re a *****in embarrassment. Release a statement saying Rockys released, then find out we’ve “forgot” there was a clause to offer a 3 year deal once so many games played. Even more astonishing that he achieved these numbers in meaningless games. He’s obviously not wanted, yet we play him in every competitive game so far. I don’t get it. To then “forget” he was suspended is another unbelievable mistake, given there’s already been other sides done the same. If it’s the same person responsible for both mistakes, they should be dismissed immediately. Once is unacceptable, twice is unbelievably incompetent.

Has Ron not just said we chose to sign him permanently or words to that effect?

[Billy Whizz]

Bartley had a similar charge last season, where he had a ban as a player, but thought he could from the bench
Looks like the SFA believe the player should be aware of suspensions etc
Think he got a further 2 game playing ban

[Since452]

Rocky has been good so far. Him missing is all we need.

[Tyler Durden]

Rocky has been good so far. Him missing is all we need.

Hearing not til August 11th so gives Hanlon time to recover and/or a new signing to come in.

[Since452]

Hearing not til August 11th so gives Hanlon time to recover and/or a new signing to come in.

Good point.

[cameronw-hfc]

Rocky has been cited by the compliance officer for playing, this is a joke. We really need to rally round the lad as he's been picked out from all sides right now and it's really nasty to see.

Hope Hibs fans make him feel loved the next few days as it's by no means his fault, the club deserve the punishment not him.

Says a lot that the Quote retweets on the news article about Rocky being cited have 2/3 hearts fans saying this isn't on.

[H18 SFR]

Bartley had a similar charge last season, where he had a ban as a player, but thought he could from the bench
Looks like the SFA believe the player should be aware of suspensions etc
Think he got a further 2 game playing ban

Wonder who his club secretary was at the time?

[Jones28]

Ffs that’s just ridiculous now. Fair enough give a 3-0 reverse for the cock up but to then cite the player? Come on.

[Big_Franck]

Ffs that’s just ridiculous now. Fair enough give a 3-0 reverse for the cock up but to then cite the player? Come on.

Agreed and I can't remember any other players being treated similarly. Hopefully the club challenge this all the way as we'd be punished twice otherwise.

[Scotty Leither]

Rocky has been cited by the compliance officer for playing, this is a joke. We really need to rally round the lad as he's been picked out from all sides right now and it's really nasty to see.

Hope Hibs fans make him feel loved the next few days as it's by no means his fault, the club deserve the punishment not him.

Says a lot that the Quote retweets on the news article about Rocky being cited have 2/3 hearts fans saying this isn't on.

Correct. Time to call this ****housery out.

Nae fault of the laddie that he played, we’ve copped a censure and a penalty because of it, yet some “compliance” non entity wants to compound it by citing him?

Time for the club to grow some cojones and set their lawyers on it, who knows, it might give us some common cause to rally round and stick up for ourselves for once, eh?

[WeAreHibs]

Rocky has been cited by the compliance officer for playing, this is a joke. We really need to rally round the lad as he's been picked out from all sides right now and it's really nasty to see.

Hope Hibs fans make him feel loved the next few days as it's by no means his fault, the club deserve the punishment not him.

Says a lot that the Quote retweets on the news article about Rocky being cited have 2/3 hearts fans saying this isn't on.

100%

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder who his club secretary was at the time?

Think that’s a wee bit unfair, you need to understand the charge
Are individual players as well as clubs made aware of a ban for this

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/hibs-defender-rocky-bushiri-cited-by-scottish-fa-for-playing-when-suspended

What the actual **** is going on???

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Correct. Time to call this ****housery out.

Nae fault of the laddie that he played, we’ve copped a censure and a penalty because of it, yet some “compliance” non entity wants to compound it by citing him?

Time for the club to grow some cojones and set their lawyers on it, who knows, it might give us some common cause to rally round and stick up for ourselves for once, eh?

Yep. We’re too soft, out of order to be going after Rocky for this. Been punished enough, hibs should fight this all the way


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[H18 SFR]

Think that’s a wee bit unfair, you need to understand the charge
Are individual players as well as clubs made aware of a ban for this

Players are ‘informed’ via there club secretary. No player in the Scottish game is contacted directly by the disciplinary department - all via the club sec.

[He's here!]

Leeann Dempster's time at Hibs had run its natural course. Eternally grateful for her good work but it wasn't all a fairytale, especially towards the end. She made mistakes too.

It quickly became clear Ron Gordon didn't see her as part of his plans and you got the sense her role was compromised as a result. Pre-Ron her contribution to Hibs was as great as anyone involved with the club. She bridged the gap between club and fans in a way Petrie never could.

[CapitalGreen]

It quickly became clear Ron Gordon didn't see her as part if his plans and you got the sense her role was compromised as a result. Pre-Ron her contribution to Hibs was as great as anyone involved with the club.

LD did a lot of good for Hibs, particularly in the 2-3 years post relegation but she also made many mistakes, there’s no point trying to airbrush them from history.

[B.H.F.C]

This is a joke.

It feels like we’ve been shafted at any opportunity since we spoke up about a few things previously.

Porteous getting an extra game for a failed appeal (how many players who failed in an appeal got the same treatment last season). Now this. Even what Ron is speaking about in us specifically asking the SPFL not to give us a derby or whatever early because of the stadium situation only for it to ‘coincidently’ just end up happening.

[the_ginger_hibee]

LD did a lot of good for Hibs, particularly in the 2-3 years post relegation but she also made many mistakes, there’s no point trying to airbrush them from history.

Exactly. Take a look in the Famous Five / BTG area. Pigeon infested ****hole with broken lifts and no safe access. All on LD's watch. Or how about the lack of sponsorships for years? Or the fact we paid a full-time wage to one of her pals who was meant to get sponsors - but ended up actually getting sponsors for her hobby team (now employer) in Hibs time & to our detriment?

LD galvanised a broken club and gave us many highlights on the park. But it was not without fault.

[cabbageandribs1875]

This is a joke.

It feels like we’ve been shafted at any opportunity since we spoke up about a few things previously.

Porteous getting an extra game for a failed appeal (how many players who failed in an appeal got the same treatment last season). Now this. Even what Ron is speaking about in us specifically asking the SPFL not to give us a derby or whatever early because of the stadium situation only for it to ‘coincidently’ just end up happening.


i'm far from an expert on the rules but i thought this is what happens if the appeal fails, along with a £1k fine for the club ?



apologies if i'm wrong :greengrin

[Callum_62]

Seems mental to me that we have forfeited the game, been fined and now the player also faces some sort of punishment

Going after the player seems ridiculous

Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk

[B.H.F.C]

i'm far from an expert on the rules but i thought this is what happens if the appeal fails, along with a £1k fine for the club ?



apologies if i'm wrong :greengrin

You pay 1k for a failed appeal. Very, very rare for an additional game to be added. That only happens if they deem the red card to have had no chance of being overturned.

[Since452]

Rocky has been cited by the compliance officer for playing, this is a joke. We really need to rally round the lad as he's been picked out from all sides right now and it's really nasty to see.

Hope Hibs fans make him feel loved the next few days as it's by no means his fault, the club deserve the punishment not him.

Says a lot that the Quote retweets on the news article about Rocky being cited have 2/3 hearts fans saying this isn't on.

Couldn't agree more.

[Scotty Leither]

Seems mental to me that we have forfeited the game, been fined and now the player also faces some sort of punishment

Going after the player seems ridiculous

Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk

It’s probably borderline illegal too in regard to employers’ indemnity, effectively removing their employees one step away from the process?

Did we not have an employment lawyer on the Board a few years ago - time to give her a bell for some advice, methinks?

[cabbageandribs1875]

You pay 1k for a failed appeal. Very, very rare for an additional game to be added. That only happens if they deem the red card to have had no chance of being overturned.

ok, i'm maybe thinking of court Homicide cases :hmmm:


anyways, quite bizarre they're going after the player as well in this case :rolleyes:

[Since452]

Rocky being potentially penalised is laughable. Punish Hibs by all means, we've made a **** of it, but not the player. Is forfeiting the game and taking a fine not enough for these jokers?

[Waxy]

Surley a player not knowing they are suspended isnt as bad as a player. Eing inelligible?

[JimBHibees]

Surely the complaint is just to give him a one game league cup game suspension

[HoboHarry]

It’s probably borderline illegal too in regard to employers’ indemnity, effectively removing their employees one step away from the process?

Did we not have an employment lawyer on the Board a few years ago - time to give her a bell for some advice, methinks?
Been saying for years there are issues that courts would deem illegal if only someone would fight it. The amount of money players can be fined for example or even players being cup tied is almost bound to be restraint of trade in my opinion.

[Scotty Leither]

Rocky being potentially penalised is laughable. Punish Hibs by all means, we've made a **** of it, but not the player. Is forfeiting the game and taking a fine not enough for these jokers?

Yup…first question the club should be asking is:
Whats the precedent here, is it double jeopardy where the player, and by extension the club are punished, only for the player to be punished again at the end of the process?

[Sir David Gray]

Surely the complaint is just to give him a one game league cup game suspension

I think the point is that other players who played despite being ineligible haven't faced any kind of action.

The club really deserves all it gets and I've no complaints with losing the game 3-0 and being fined but Bushiri being cited is ridiculous and as far as I can see is unprecedented.

[007]

ok, i'm maybe thinking of court Homicide cases :hmmm:


anyways, quite bizarre they're going after the player as well in this case :rolleyes:

A 1 match ban for homicide seems quite lenient. 🤔

[Glory Lurker]

This is an absolute disgrace. The administration of our sport is a joke.

What are they saying here, that it's the responsibility of a player to know the rules inside out and, more relevantly, not play when they know they've broken them? So, players who commit red card offences are expected to walk off, carded or not? No? Why not? It's the same logic.

I hope Hibs go to town on this. Can you imagine for a moment how either of The Chosen Two would react? That is exactly what we should be doing.

[Smartie]

It does feel ridiculously harsh that Rocky is being cited for this, especially if there is no precedent.

To be devil’s advocate for a minute though - can an argument not be made that Rocky should have known he’d been booked twice, therefore could / should have alerted Hibs to the fact if it appeared they didn’t know? It’s standard (ish) to face a suspension if you’ve been booked a couple of times in a competition. He may have been expected to ask the question, no?

If one of the posters on here seemed to be aware that he’d been booked twice, surely it’s not beyond both Hibs and the player?

[Glory Lurker]

It does feel ridiculously harsh that Rocky is being cited for this, especially if there is no precedent.

To be devil’s advocate for a minute though - can an argument not be made that Rocky should have known he’d been booked twice, therefore could / should have alerted Hibs to the fact if it appeared they didn’t know? It’s standard (ish) to face a suspension if you’ve been booked a couple of times in a competition. He may have been expected to ask the question, no?

If one of the posters on here seemed to be aware that he’d been booked twice, surely it’s not beyond both Hibs and the player?

No. Did he wilfully pick himself for the game? As an employee is he not entitled to rely on directions from his employer? There is no devil's advocate here. It's a bare faced disgrace.

[green day]

Stranraer have not had their player cited.

Wonder why? Circumstances seem exactly the same.

Very odd. I'm sure the club will be asking this question.

[One Day Soon]

This is an absolute disgrace. The administration of our sport is a joke.

What are they saying here, that it's the responsibility of a player to know the rules inside out and, more relevantly, not play when they know they've broken them? So, players who commit red card offences are expected to walk off, carded or not? No? Why not? It's the same logic.


I hope Hibs go to town on this. Can you imagine for a moment how either of The Chosen Two would react? That is exactly what we should be doing.

Exactly the sort of issue where the club should be fronting up very forcibly. Firstly it seems ludicrous to blame the player, secondly it looks a lot like double jeopardy for the club coming on top of the 3-0 and lastly it’s an obvious opportunity to show the support some leadership for the club.

[neil7908]

Stranraer have not had their player cited.

Wonder why? Circumstances seem exactly the same.

Very odd. I'm sure the club will be asking this question.

That's what I was wondering.

We should be going mental if that is the case.

What a joke the football authorities are in this country.

[RIP]

Rocky has been cited by the compliance officer for playing, this is a joke. We really need to rally round the lad as he's been picked out from all sides right now and it's really nasty to see.

Hope Hibs fans make him feel loved the next few days as it's by no means his fault, the club deserve the punishment not him.

Says a lot that the Quote retweets on the news article about Rocky being cited have 2/3 hearts fans saying this isn't on.

SPFL change rules on number of bookings before automatic suspension

SPFL from this season suddenly stop advising clubs of penalties

Belgian guy whose first language isn’t English is playing in SPFL for first time and is 100% reliant upon the club to keep him right on the rules.

Club aren’t made aware of automatic suspension due to process change for this season.

So due to SPFL and Club incompetence the player is now a scapegoat.

Not on my watch!! It’s time to go to war on those incompetent blazers and make them think twice for attacking the blameless victim in this situation.