a bit of perspective

[worcesterhibby]

It's not been a great start to the season by any stretch of the imagination. But rather than shout for sackings, changes of owner, wholesale ripping up of contracts and widespread abuse of players in green and white jerseys, maybe now is the time to show the new management team that we are first and foremost "Supporters".

Lee Johnston has had a bit of a baptism of fire. The majority of his new signings have not been available our club captain and key defender is injured and some of the senior players he should be able to depend on such as Porto, have badly underperformed. Our dynamic Young left back has been transferred and the dependable LS is injured too. It's a wake up call and at least our new manager will be under no illusions as to the task he has ahead if we are going to have a successful league campaign (on the back of last season and the squad he inherited I would consider top 6 as relatively successful). For sure there are players under contract that he would rather were not on the wage bill.

Lee Johnston has a good record in management, we have new signings yet to play and more new players to come in. We have improved our goalkeeper and Hendo looks like a different player this season. We need to do everything we can to help him make a success of his time at Hibs. Let's wait and see where we are after we have played every team in the league home and away, before we start making judgements about his ability and the way he will have us playing football. In the meantime let's give him and the team our support and live up to the Leith motto of Persevere.

We are a Hibs family and when family is struggling you give them support..not abuse. :flag::flag:

[ehf]

The difference is you can’t change your family, but you can change the regime at a football club - and should, when it is obviously disfunctional.

[mcfly]

Sorry but how long are we expected to suffer?

It’s the same every season. Give them time . A wee bit perspective needed.

What about hibs hitting the ground running? Win the first 6-8 games ?

Why should the fans always have to be patient.?

Giving 3 yrs contracts to players who aren’t good enough or don’t try needs to stop.

all of hibs management. Owners, CEO need to up their game.

Recruitment just isn’t good enough - this lot are bottom 6

[Ronniekirk]

Your first sentence is an understatement .
However he has said it will be the second quarter of league games before he has his best 11 fit up to speed and work permits all sorted
So I will judge him then But he could well be under real pressure by then if results are poor
Some of the players brought in have struggle to look decent against poor opposition How are they then suddenly going to cope with a Derby v Hearts second game in ?.
Even at this early stage it’s hard not to feel recruitment once again hasn’t been great on tbe evidence so far
We need to hope the two players waiting on permits improve us individually and more importantly as a team
But he is already having to try and give new players game time to get them up to speed while having six injuries to first team players and while still looking to bring another two in
Add to that Doidge looking like he isn’t going to recsturd previous form Doig sold and Porto clearly out of sorts
Then there is the midfield conundrum which hasn’t been sorted , and we haven’t replaced Boyle
It’s looking like a mess just now . He isn’t playing the style of football he promised iether
So he has a big Task to sort this out I hope he is up to it , as Fans need encouragement given last seasons debacle

[pacoluna]

It's the year 2040... " A bit of perspective" thread is created for 20th season running.

[TheHarpy76]

It’s hardly a “baptism of fire” is it? We were in a group with 4 teams in a lower division from us. We should’ve won that group comfortably. Instead we’re relying on a favour from ******* Clyde!

[Fergus52]

Really poor start to the season but I'm willing to give him time.

If we're playing the same way in a month or so without making many clear cut chances, new signings not improving and key players underperforming then yeah I'll be extremely worried.

I'm sure Stubbs' first few games included defeats to Falkirk, Alloa and QOS and home draws to Raith and Dumbarton.

Bedding in a new style of play while signing a lot of new players is hard - not trying to make excuses for Johnson or the board, but lets see where we are in 5/6 weeks or so.

A win against Hearts would go a long way.

[Stuart93]

Yawn.

Another “get behind the team” thread, like we seen so much last season.

Did the supporters not show they were behind the team when they sold out their allocation at Falkirk? What good did that do?

People will struggle to get behind the team when the people running the club are making an arse of it on the football side of things.

[SlickShoes]

Sorry but how long are we expected to suffer?

It’s the same every season. Give them time . A wee bit perspective needed.

What about hibs hitting the ground running? Win the first 6-8 games ?

Why should the fans always have to be patient.?

Giving 3 yrs contracts to players who aren’t good enough or don’t try needs to stop.

all of hibs management. Owners, CEO need to up their game.

Recruitment just isn’t good enough - this lot are bottom 6


What exactly is the other option? we just emptied a manager and entire backroom, loads of players, got a new team in and a bunch of new players.

Should we NOT give them time?

There are almost no clubs on earth that have constant success, I can't help but laugh at you calling this "suffering"

[Stuart93]

Really poor start to the season but I'm willing to give him time.

If we're playing the same way in a month or so without making many clear cut chances, new signings not improving and key players underperforming then yeah I'll be extremely worried.

I'm sure Stubbs' first few games included defeats to Falkirk, Alloa and QOS and home draws to Raith and Dumbarton.

Bedding in a new style of play while signing a lot of new players is hard - not trying to make excuses for Johnson or the board, but lets see where we are in 5/6 weeks or so.

A win against Hearts would go a long way.

I’m not sure using Alan Stubbs’ league record is any indication of us coming good tbh.

[B.H.F.C]

As soon as you see the thread title you know things aren’t going well.

The perspective needed is from the board in regard to our transfer policy. It didn’t work last summer, it didn’t work in January and it’s not working just now.

[Hibbyradge]

Yawn.

Another “get behind the team” thread, like we seen so much last season.

Did the supporters not show they were behind the team when they sold out their allocation at Falkirk? What good did that do?

People will struggle to get behind the team when the people running the club are making an arse of it on the football side of things.

I'm with you.

Let's not get behind the team. :thumbsup:

[Hibbyradge]

I can't help but laugh at you calling this "suffering"

That's exactly what I thought. I just decided against posting it!

[Northernhibee]

What I will say is that Maloney's left an almighty ****show behind. SDG only really had the target of see the season out and make sure we don't get relegated, but with such a short pre season it's barely any time to implement a new style at all. We seen against Clyde and in Portugal that we can play attractive football but he's barely had any time to experiment and mix things up a bit to get a better understanding of the team.

I've not turned in any way against LJ but I have massive misgivings of those above him in the pyramid at the club.

[Stuart93]

I'm with you.

Let's not get behind the team. :thumbsup:

Not really what I’ve said is it? It’s another rally call for people to get behind the team as if it makes some massive difference to how they perform. We seen so many of these threads last season and it didn’t make a bit of difference. I don’t think it’s the supporters who need to have a bit of perspective, it’s the people who’re running the club that do.

Supporters are going to struggle to get behind a team/create an atmosphere when they play like they did last night or against Falkirk. Or when you’re struggling to get out of a league cup group like that.

[Phil MaGlass]

Just on to say that there seems a lot, and I mean a lot of folk starting threads and joining in the berating of the team, club and owners from posters that have only posted on here a few times, not saying the team doesn't deserve it just saying something stinks here.

[mcfly]

What exactly is the other option? we just emptied a manager and entire backroom, loads of players, got a new team in and a bunch of new players.

Should we NOT give them time?

There are almost no clubs on earth that have constant success, I can't help but laugh at you calling this "suffering"

You need a reality check if you don’t think the last 2 seasons have been dreadful.

Have you watched us this season?

Constant success you mention! I don’t expect constant success but I expect us to get out of an easy league cup group and not lose to teams 2 leagues below us.

You accept the mediocrity being served up mate.

Enjoy it

[SlickShoes]

You need a reality check if you don’t think the last 2 seasons have been dreadful.

Have you watched us this season?

Constant success you mention! I don’t expect constant success but I expect us to get out of an easy league cup group and not lose to teams 2 leagues below us.

You accept the mediocrity being served up mate.

Enjoy it

Last season was total pish, the season before that was one of our best in my entire life. I am not sure what alternate timeline you have been watching hibs in where that season was dreadful but i'd love to be there.

[Unseen work]

I trust Johnson and what he wants to do.

If he is backed accordingly and not told to sign unknown 20 year olds I think he’ll be successful.

The team that started last night isn’t good enough and signings need made

But

Hankon
Stevenson
Cabraja
JDH
Magennis
Mitchell
Nisbet
Youan

Will make a huge difference.

Still room for a centre back, centre mid and right winger though. A replacement for Doidge too as I think he’ll be off.

[superfurryhibby]

What exactly is the other option? we just emptied a manager and entire backroom, loads of players, got a new team in and a bunch of new players.

Should we NOT give them time?

There are almost no clubs on earth that have constant success, I can't help but laugh at you calling this "suffering"

It's great that you're enjoying yourself, but enjoying yourself a bit too much methinks.

The other option is staring you in the face.

Here's a novel idea, take in 6 million in transfer fees and spend a good bit of replacing the group of players that every Hibs fan with eyes to see knows aren't good enough?

[One Day Soon]

Just on to say that there seems a lot, and I mean a lot of folk starting threads and joining in the berating of the team, club and owners from posters that have only posted on here a few times, not saying the team doesn't deserve it just saying something stinks here.

That's true, but there are also plenty others which higher post counts. And what we are seeing on the park stinks too at the moment.

[Scorrie]

If games against Clyde, Falkirk, Bonnyrigg and Morton is a baptism of fire, then god help us when the big teams come calling in the league

[SlickShoes]

It's great that you're enjoying yourself, but enjoying yourself a bit too much methinks.

The other option is staring you in the face.

Here's a novel idea, take in 6 million in transfer fees and spend a good bit of replacing the group of players that every Hibs fan with eyes to see knows aren't good enough?

So you want us to just buy out Joe Newell's contract? and other players the fans deem not good enough I assume. Once we empty them and pay them off, who do we sign? because we have just spent the money letting half a team go.

We have signed a large amount of players already, almost everyone accepts you can't replace an entire team in one transfer window, but that seems to be what people are expecting to happen.

[McGruber]

Just on to say that there seems a lot, and I mean a lot of folk starting threads and joining in the berating of the team, club and owners from posters that have only posted on here a few times, not saying the team doesn't deserve it just saying something stinks here.

Maybe. Or maybe being emptied out the cup before the league season starts at the hands of Falkirk and Morton is stinking enough

[superfurryhibby]

So you want us to just buy out Joe Newell's contract? and other players the fans deem not good enough I assume. Once we empty them and pay them off, who do we sign? because we have just spent the money letting half a team go.

We have signed a large amount of players already, almost everyone accepts you can't replace an entire team in one transfer window, but that seems to be what people are expecting to happen.

No, I would have liked us not to hand out long term contracts to guys who were never good enough.

In the meantime, can we not use some of the six million quid to add to the actual first team players we have signed (Marshall, McGeady, Cabaraja).

Perhaps a centre half, striker and decent central midfielder would make our grim prospects a bit brighter?

[mcfly]

Last season was total pish, the season before that was one of our best in my entire life. I am not sure what alternate timeline you have been watching hibs in where that season was dreadful but i'd love to be there.

Best in your entire life when we got 3rd playing terrible football with no hearts in the league and a terrible Aberdeen team. Wow youve no seen many good hibs teams then…..

The football in the last few years at Easter road has been rotten, our home form is poor

Our recruiting hasn’t been good enough and I feel the fans are being short changed by the owners.

You can agree or disagree I’m no really that bothered but not getting out that group is a joke and will cost the club a lot of money.

We need to spend a bit of that £5 million we’ve taken in and buy some experience and quality. At the prices we charge I think the fans deserve it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So you want us to just buy out Joe Newell's contract? and other players the fans deem not good enough I assume. Once we empty them and pay them off, who do we sign? because we have just spent the money letting half a team go.

We have signed a large amount of players already, almost everyone accepts you can't replace an entire team in one transfer window, but that seems to be what people are expecting to happen.

You do realise teams never buy out a whole contract?

If we wanted rid of Newell he’d go find a new club. If it wasn’t on the same money - say he’s on 4k and he’ll be in 3k at his new club - then we’d most likely make up the extra £1k he’s missing out on. With maybe a wee sweetener thrown in.

Buying out his contract never means paying it all in full.

And if that’s what it takes to get rid of the dross in our squad then that’s exactly what I’d like us to be doing.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Disappointing results in the League Cup so far without question given that our recent history in this competition is not to shabby. Symptomatic perhaps of these games being part of the pre-season albeit that these are games that matter.

[SlickShoes]

No, I would have liked us not to hand out long term contracts to guys who were never good enough.

In the meantime, can we not use some of the six million quid to add to the actual first team players we have signed (Marshall, McGeady, Cabaraja).

Perhaps a centre half, striker and decent central midfielder would make our grim prospects a bit brighter?

We have signed a striker and he's waiting on his work permit.

I agree that the Newell contract made no sense, but the others from earlier in the season when we were doing well made some sense at the time.

[SlickShoes]

You do realise teams never buy out a whole contract?

If we wanted rid of Newell he’d go find a new club. If it wasn’t on the same money - say he’s on 4k and he’ll be in 3k at his new club - then we’d most likely make up the extra £1k he’s missing out on. With maybe a wee sweetener thrown in.

Buying out his contract never means paying it all in full.

And if that’s what it takes to get rid of the dross in our squad then that’s exactly what I’d like us to be doing.

Why would he go find a new club? He's just signed a deal to stay here on a wage he's clearly happy with. You can't force him to leave, however much you want to.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why would he go find a new club? He's just signed a deal to stay here on a wage he's clearly happy with. You can't force him to leave, however much you want to.

Maybe because he could end up financially better off between a mix of his pay off and his new club? Maybe because if we’re looking to release him he won’t be playing here, so he’d maybe want a new club to play football?

You can force him to leave if you pay up his whole contract, would be pointless though, he’d be as well just being dumped into our development team if we were going to do that. We don’t have to be stuck with Joe Newell and we certainly shouldn’t be stuck with him starting in our midfield.

[SlickShoes]

Maybe because he could end up financially better off? Maybe because if we’re looking to release him he won’t be playing here, so he’d maybe want one to play football?

You can force him to leave if you pay up his whole contract. We don’t have to be stuck with Joe Newell.

You just said no one ever pays up the full contract.

I definitely think we should start sacking players like we sack managers, then move on to fans too.

[Onion]

It’s hardly a “baptism of fire” is it? We were in a group with 4 teams in a lower division from us. We should’ve won that group comfortably. Instead we’re relying on a favour from ******* Clyde!

Think that's what's called a"bit of perspective" :greengrin LJ is setting himself up for failure here. New squad is sub-standard and will be found out the minute they line up against Premier League opposition. Unless there is a remarkable transformation over the next 3-4 weeks, he'll be under huge pressure and rightly so. Last season's sacking of 2 managers, abysmal performances, empty stands is all the evidence he needed. Losing Boyle was a disaster. Nesbit out, Doig sold and probably Porto going is a massive hole that needs filled immediately just to stand still, but little evidence that he's got close to that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You just said no one ever pays up the full contract.

I definitely think we should start sacking players like we sack managers, then move on to fans too.

Yup, and they don’t, because players will go and get a new club.

You’re painting a scenario where Joe Newell simply refuses to leave and said we can’t make him. We can. That never happens though and it wouldn’t happen in this situation either if we told Joe Newell he wasn’t going to be playing.

[delbert]

It's not been a great start to the season by any stretch of the imagination. But rather than shout for sackings, changes of owner, wholesale ripping up of contracts and widespread abuse of players in green and white jerseys, maybe now is the time to show the new management team that we are first and foremost "Supporters".

Lee Johnston has had a bit of a baptism of fire. The majority of his new signings have not been available our club captain and key defender is injured and some of the senior players he should be able to depend on such as Porto, have badly underperformed. Our dynamic Young left back has been transferred and the dependable LS is injured too. It's a wake up call and at least our new manager will be under no illusions as to the task he has ahead if we are going to have a successful league campaign (on the back of last season and the squad he inherited I would consider top 6 as relatively successful). For sure there are players under contract that he would rather were not on the wage bill.

Lee Johnston has a good record in management, we have new signings yet to play and more new players to come in. We have improved our goalkeeper and Hendo looks like a different player this season. We need to do everything we can to help him make a success of his time at Hibs. Let's wait and see where we are after we have played every team in the league home and away, before we start making judgements about his ability and the way he will have us playing football. In the meantime let's give him and the team our support and live up to the Leith motto of Persevere.

We are a Hibs family and when family is struggling you give them support..not abuse. :flag::flag:

Sorry mate but you are deluded, the club is on its knees due to mismanagement and, to be blunt, crap players and with one notable exception in 2016, we have been nothing short of dreadful and at best mediocre for 15 out of the last 20 years, embarrassed if we scrape into Europe, league positions for a club of our stature totally underwhelming, it’s all right in front of you - and yet a large section of our support still don’t or won’t accept they are being taken for mugs by people who run the club and don’t care about anything but a balance sheet and by mediocre players who are probably trying their best, although that’s up for debate, but simply aren’t anywhere near good enough. Sorry but just saying no it’s not true, it will get better hasn’t really worked all that well since the last millennium and we are going nowhere fast under the absent landlord and his idiot offspring.

[OsiersHibs]

Sorry mate but you are deluded, the club is on its knees due to mismanagement and, to be blunt, crap players and with one notable exception in 2016, we have been nothing short of dreadful and at best mediocre for 15 out of the last 20 years, embarrassed if we scrape into Europe, league positions for a club of our stature totally underwhelming, it’s all right in front of you - and yet a large section of our support still don’t or won’t accept they are being taken for mugs by people who run the club and don’t care about anything but a balance sheet and by mediocre players who are probably trying their best, although that’s up for debate, but simply aren’t anywhere near good enough. Sorry but just saying no it’s not true, it will get better hasn’t really worked all that well since the last millennium and we are going nowhere fast under the absent landlord and his idiot offspring.
Agree with all of that.

Too many fans happy to accept the club being average.

It's interesting that in last 35 years we have won the same number of Major Trophies as St Johnstone and one more than St Mirren.

[GloryGlory]

It's not been a great start to the season by any stretch of the imagination. But rather than shout for sackings, changes of owner, wholesale ripping up of contracts and widespread abuse of players in green and white jerseys, maybe now is the time to show the new management team that we are first and foremost "Supporters".

Lee Johnston has had a bit of a baptism of fire. The majority of his new signings have not been available our club captain and key defender is injured and some of the senior players he should be able to depend on such as Porto, have badly underperformed. Our dynamic Young left back has been transferred and the dependable LS is injured too. It's a wake up call and at least our new manager will be under no illusions as to the task he has ahead if we are going to have a successful league campaign (on the back of last season and the squad he inherited I would consider top 6 as relatively successful). For sure there are players under contract that he would rather were not on the wage bill.

Lee Johnston has a good record in management, we have new signings yet to play and more new players to come in. We have improved our goalkeeper and Hendo looks like a different player this season. We need to do everything we can to help him make a success of his time at Hibs. Let's wait and see where we are after we have played every team in the league home and away, before we start making judgements about his ability and the way he will have us playing football. In the meantime let's give him and the team our support and live up to the Leith motto of Persevere.

We are a Hibs family and when family is struggling you give them support..not abuse. :flag::flag:

I hope he's a good enough manager to recognise quickly that we need a clear out of consistent underperformers like Newell, Campbell, Doidge (regrettably now in that category for me) and a few others and I hope he has the strength of character to go to the board and lay it on the line for them about what's needed. We still have about six weeks of the transfer window - I hope the revolving door at ER is well oiled.

[Don Giovanni]

I'm with you.

Let's not get behind the team. :thumbsup:

Good idea. We performed better behind closed doors. Maybe driving fans away is a clever tactic :dunno: :greengrin:

[Steve20]

People can support the team during the game, but comment afterwards how poor it is. Because it's a disgrace to not qualify from that group. The management and players need to know that it's unacceptable. It's all well them saying "we know it's not been good enough", but they never do anything to improve it.

The people running the club clearly don't know how to build a Football team. They might be wonderful in all commercial partnerships etc, but no matter who is manager, that team won't get better when we don't address the team on the pitch. I mean, we've signed 10 players and still the team looks like it's miles away from being good enough. The spine of the side is soft.

So yes, during the games everyone should be 100% behind the team on the pitch but no point lying after by pretending that it's good, when it's not.

[Onceinawhile]

We got beat by a league one club last week and drew with a championship club this week.

Huge progress imo.

[Greenio]

Not really what I’ve said is it? It’s another rally call for people to get behind the team as if it makes some massive difference to how they perform. We seen so many of these threads last season and it didn’t make a bit of difference. I don’t think it’s the supporters who need to have a bit of perspective, it’s the people who’re running the club that do.

Supporters are going to struggle to get behind a team/create an atmosphere when they play like they did last night or against Falkirk. Or when you’re struggling to get out of a league cup group like that.

It does make a difference to how they perform because adverse negativity from the fans breeds a negative culture at the club. Don't underestimate the impact of culture on performance. Regardless, it makes it ***** for me cos I can't be arsed reading all the moaning and whining...so gee it a bloody rest eh! 😂

[Onceinawhile]

Yup, and they don’t, because players will go and get a new club.

You’re painting a scenario where Joe Newell simply refuses to leave and said we can’t make him. We can. That never happens though and it wouldn’t happen in this situation either if we told Joe Newell he wasn’t going to be playing.

Loic damour more or less just finished riding out a 4 year contract with hearts.

[Since452]

The club are trying to correct the massive damage they did when they appointed Maloney. It won't be fixed overnight.

[FilipinoHibs]

LJ is having a complete clear out. We have lots of new signings,most hardly kicked a ball yet. We have had one really bad half. We have dominated massively in all four games in the LC groups and just not had the goals to show for chances and pocrssion. People need to be patient.

[Iain G]

Sorry mate but you are deluded, the club is on its knees due to mismanagement and, to be blunt, crap players and with one notable exception in 2016, we have been nothing short of dreadful and at best mediocre for 15 out of the last 20 years, embarrassed if we scrape into Europe, league positions for a club of our stature totally underwhelming, it’s all right in front of you - and yet a large section of our support still don’t or won’t accept they are being taken for mugs by people who run the club and don’t care about anything but a balance sheet and by mediocre players who are probably trying their best, although that’s up for debate, but simply aren’t anywhere near good enough. Sorry but just saying no it’s not true, it will get better hasn’t really worked all that well since the last millennium and we are going nowhere fast under the absent landlord and his idiot offspring.

On its knees? Under no meaning of that term is our club on its knees! I think one of the Gordon clan must have run over your hamster or something :greengrin :na na:

[DH1875]

Perspective? Any Hibs manager whos team had failed to beat a championship team and a league 1 team should be under pressure yet alone when it all but knocks us out the league cup. Lose the first few league games and our season will be over (forget this top 6 nonsense. 6th, 7th or 8th is all the same to me. Failure).

[mcfly]

LJ is having a complete clear out. We have lots of new signings,most hardly kicked a ball yet. We have had one really bad half. We have dominated massively in all four games in the LC groups and just not had the goals to show for chances and pocrssion. People need to be patient.

Complete clearout?

What a load of rubbish. Why is last years midfield still there and playing every week then?

Clubs a shambles

[jacomo]

Really poor start to the season but I'm willing to give him time.

If we're playing the same way in a month or so without making many clear cut chances, new signings not improving and key players underperforming then yeah I'll be extremely worried.

I'm sure Stubbs' first few games included defeats to Falkirk, Alloa and QOS and home draws to Raith and Dumbarton.

Bedding in a new style of play while signing a lot of new players is hard - not trying to make excuses for Johnson or the board, but lets see where we are in 5/6 weeks or so.

A win against Hearts would go a long way.


Stubbs had an almost entirely new squad to make a team from.

We have a lot of new players, but seem to be making the same mistakes again and expecting a different outcome.

I’m behind the team but the failure to fix our midfield issues is bonkers.

[SideBurns]

LJ is having a complete clear out. We have lots of new signings,most hardly kicked a ball yet. We have had one really bad half. We have dominated massively in all four games in the LC groups and just not had the goals to show for chances and pocrssion. People need to be patient.

One really bad half? Not sure which one you're talking about but I saw two last night. And there were no chances created. As for patience - if you've been watching Hibs for, oh, let's say 45 years or so you can consider yourself someone with an abundance of patience 😁

[delbert]

On its knees? Under no meaning of that term is our club on its knees! I think one of the Gordon clan must have run over your hamster or something :greengrin :na na:

Mate, if either of the Gordon’s tried to run over my hamster driving the worlds biggest road roller, they would ****** miss !!

[B.H.F.C]

Stubbs had an almost entirely new squad to make a team from.

We have a lot of new players, but seem to be making the same mistakes again and expecting a different outcome.

I’m behind the team but the failure to fix our midfield issues is bonkers.

On your last sentence, they’ve just been totally negligent.

Where I have a degree of sympathy for LJ is that he is, perhaps, suffering for the previous errors of giving so many poor, unreliable players long term contracts. We either need to find a way to move some on or just accept that we’re going to be paying wages to players that aren’t playing. Because we simply can’t let the window close with this being our midfield options. The short term cost of exceeding any budget will be nowhere near the cost we’ll incur if we don’t sort the problem.

As you say, the same players are doing the same things and I can’t actually believe we’re seeing that.

[eastmainsmsh]

The atmosphere during Stubbs and Lennon era was great need to get the feel good factor back

[Paulie Walnuts]

On your last sentence, they’ve just been totally negligent.

Where I have a degree of sympathy for LJ is that he is, perhaps, suffering for the previous errors of giving so many poor, unreliable players long term contracts. We either need to find a way to move some on or just accept that we’re going to be paying wages to players that aren’t playing. Because we simply can’t let the window close with this being our midfield options. The short term cost of exceeding any budget will be nowhere near the cost we’ll incur if we don’t sort the problem.

As you say, the same players are doing the same things and I can’t actually believe we’re seeing that.

:agree:

People can hark on about how guys like Newell have long deals, we need to find someone to take him etc but we don’t. We need to replace them whether we move them on or not. If they stay then the club needs to take the hit but we can’t leave this midfield to be in place for another 6 months simply because we’ve got crap players on long deals.

[zitelli62]

I'm afraid I have and always will be a hibby till I die I've seen many come and go and will see more in the future but nothing will ever take away from the fact I was born a hibby and I will die a hibby people on this forum can argue all they want as they only want what is best for hibs but I never let a fan of another club have a go as there clubs have dark days and never let them forget that yes we're down but most certainly not out we will regroup and go again it's the hibees way

GGTTH

[Big_Franck]

Now that I've got the Morton result and subsequent farce out my system I wonder if there's anything positive that we can take or learn from this. I am hoping that the league cup farce forces the hand of Ron Gordon and we do now go on and sign some quality, experienced players in the near future.

If we'd pissed the group with the young lads we've signed maybe the club would've taken that as a sign that all was well and that the policy of signing untried youngsters from across Europe was working a treat. We'd then have been in for a rude awakening when the league started IMO, leaving us little to no time to sort the issue before the end of August. Hopefully the recent farce(s) will ensure we get the cheque book out and sign more players at the level of Marshall and Youan.

[AlbertK86]

It's not been a great start to the season by any stretch of the imagination. But rather than shout for sackings, changes of owner, wholesale ripping up of contracts and widespread abuse of players in green and white jerseys, maybe now is the time to show the new management team that we are first and foremost "Supporters".

Lee Johnston has had a bit of a baptism of fire. The majority of his new signings have not been available our club captain and key defender is injured and some of the senior players he should be able to depend on such as Porto, have badly underperformed. Our dynamic Young left back has been transferred and the dependable LS is injured too. It's a wake up call and at least our new manager will be under no illusions as to the task he has ahead if we are going to have a successful league campaign (on the back of last season and the squad he inherited I would consider top 6 as relatively successful). For sure there are players under contract that he would rather were not on the wage bill.

Lee Johnston has a good record in management, we have new signings yet to play and more new players to come in. We have improved our goalkeeper and Hendo looks like a different player this season. We need to do everything we can to help him make a success of his time at Hibs. Let's wait and see where we are after we have played every team in the league home and away, before we start making judgements about his ability and the way he will have us playing football. In the meantime let's give him and the team our support and live up to the Leith motto of Persevere.

We are a Hibs family and when family is struggling you give them support..not abuse. :flag::flag:

Very well said mate. The time to judge will be once all new signings are available and players are back from injury. Unfortunately for him Nosbet is out injured and we need a proven goal scorer. We have spent money on melkerson but clearly nowhere near the finished article yet. Youan and Bojang … same as Melkerson as nowhere near finish articles and no guarantees of goals.

Hopefully club are pursuing a higher grade of player with the Doig money now adding to Boyler’s fee.

Not always as easy to attract these players with no euro football to offer so may take a bit more time. Maybe just being optimistic bit got to hope.

Still think LJ will do a good job given the chance by the board and backing from the fans


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[Dublin07]

Best in your entire life when we got 3rd playing terrible football with no hearts in the league and a terrible Aberdeen team. Wow youve no seen many good hibs teams then…..

The football in the last few years at Easter road has been rotten, our home form is poor

Our recruiting hasn’t been good enough and I feel the fans are being short changed by the owners.

You can agree or disagree I’m no really that bothered but not getting out that group is a joke and will cost the club a lot of money.

We need to spend a bit of that £5 million we’ve taken in and buy some experience and quality. At the prices we charge I think the fans deserve it.
I have been supporting hibs since 1978. We have finished 3rd 4 times since then. Our average leave position is 7th.
I hurt like anyone when we lose but i will always be back. Maybe I am a mug but hibs are my team and my kids team and the owner, manager, players doesn’t really matter to that.
You need to learn to enjoy the good days. Being in the hibs family is as frustrating one day and amazing the next as any other family.
In my opinion we still need to fix the spine of the team, we need a new cb and quality cm and I think youan will be excellent.
It’s still only July and most teams are playing friendlies. It’s frustrating waiting but by September I think we will have a good team.

[H18 SFR]

I think the job on LJ’s hands was always tough to transform the squad. I’m just glad he’s an experienced manager with 100’s of games under his belt rather than a first timer.

I know there isn’t a lot of belief in large sections of the fan base but I also feel he will have us moving up the table from fixture rounds 13-38.

[worcesterhibby]

Very well said mate. The time to judge will be once all new signings are available and players are back from injury. Unfortunately for him Nosbet is out injured and we need a proven goal scorer. We have spent money on melkerson but clearly nowhere near the finished article yet. Youan and Bojang … same as Melkerson as nowhere near finish articles and no guarantees of goals.

Hopefully club are pursuing a higher grade of player with the Doig money now adding to Boyler’s fee.

Not always as easy to attract these players with no euro football to offer so may take a bit more time. Maybe just being optimistic bit got to hope.

Still think LJ will do a good job given the chance by the board and backing from the fans


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Spot on..with most of it..I have a good feeling about Youann though..I think he is going to score a bagful.

[mcfly]

I think the job on LJ’s hands was always tough to transform the squad. I’m just glad he’s an experienced manager with 100’s of games under his belt rather than a first timer.

I know there isn’t a lot of belief in large sections of the fan base but I also feel he will have us moving up the table from fixture rounds 13-38.

At the end of the day we have to back the manager even though he’s off to a terrible start. As a club we can’t keep sacking managers every year.

[WhileTheChief..]

Which players have we let go that cost us money? It probably cost a few bob to pay Maloney and his backroom team off, but who else?

Not being wide, but I can't think of any. In Mueller's case I think we even got some money in?

Being honest, I'm struggling to even remember who else has left.

[Hibbyradge]

Sorry mate but you are deluded, the club is on its knees due to mismanagement and, to be blunt, crap players and with one notable exception in 2016, we have been nothing short of dreadful and at best mediocre for 15 out of the last 20 years, embarrassed if we scrape into Europe, league positions for a club of our stature totally underwhelming, it’s all right in front of you - and yet a large section of our support still don’t or won’t accept they are being taken for mugs by people who run the club and don’t care about anything but a balance sheet and by mediocre players who are probably trying their best, although that’s up for debate, but simply aren’t anywhere near good enough. Sorry but just saying no it’s not true, it will get better hasn’t really worked all that well since the last millennium and we are going nowhere fast under the absent landlord and his idiot offspring.

So what are our choices?

[Hibbyradge]

Agree with all of that.

Too many fans happy to accept the club being average.



What should we do about it?

[Since452]

It's highly frustrating that an administrative error happened off the back of not converting more of our 500 shots into goals. Folk can't see beyond their rage right now. This might come back to haunt me but I still think we will be successful under LJ. This is the very beginning of trying to fix the mess his predecessor left.

[Keith_M]

Totally support the OP in this.

We haven't had a good start to the season but I'm quite prepared to give them time to turn things around, as I'm getting a bit fed up of churning through managers at such a ridiculous rate.

[malagahibby]

FFS manager been in the building for just over a month and people want him out .
Think it typifies our very fickle support .
Malcy Mackay was in six months and Ross county and were bottom at Xmas but the board and FANS stuck with him and look where they finished .
Changing managers every time we loose a game is nonsense .

[degenerated]

What should we do about it?Kick Peruvian hats about the street and hire a plane.

[Mutu]

I can get behind the OP sentiment.

Folk really need to be realistic as to what is achievable given how ***** we were last year. This is the same core of players with a few extras but plenty to be positive about. Get Nisbet fit and a front line of him, McGeady, Melkerson plus Henderson is a genuinely exciting prospect. That matches anything outside the Old Firm in the league in my view.

Give the manager and players time to build something.

[Since452]

Nisbet, Youan, Magennis, Mitchell and Hanlon are all good players still to come in to the side. Plus the new left back and probably another couple of signings. At least six starters out right now.

[blackpoolhibs]

Why would he go find a new club? He's just signed a deal to stay here on a wage he's clearly happy with. You can't force him to leave, however much you want to.

He needs to be playing regularly to keep him in the picture with the world cup just round the corner.