Ron Out Now

[Hibees1973]

Yeah, me again.

This is a Hibs forum mostly read by die hard Hibs supporters. Who else would want to spend their time logging on to this website and read the comments posted. I understand there are a few interlopers on this forum, jeez, I've even been labelled a Yam myself, when posting my own honest views.

We all have various levels of patience. Some posters are labelled by others as happy clappers, not willing to see the truth that is in front of their eyes, or others tagged as bed-wetters when posting impetuous comments based on limited evidence. But one thing we have in common is we want to see Hibs function productively off the field and efficiently on the field. I've not seen any of this recently. Surely it's becoming clear to even the most delusioned Hibee that all is not well at ER.

Other threads titled about Johnson or underperforming players are totally missing the point. Our issue and has been over the last year or so is with the owner.

Ron, his son and Kensall are responsible for the mess we are in and must be removed immediately. I've been saying this for months based on ridiculous management decisions, irrational signings and fantasy language used by our owner. We have become a joke and it's now painful.

I'm not really sure what power we as fans have nowadays. But any good people we had at the club have been erased within the last couple of years.

This is not the first time I've posted a thread criticising our owner. One of my fellow posters even took the time to trawl through my posts and select only the negative ones that I did regarding Ron. Maybe he will do so again. I hope he does because I stand by every word I have said about Ron Gordon.

The only time we are going to improve is when Ron, his son & Kensall are gone.

Is there anyone out there with the money, an affinity with Hibs and the desire to remove these idiots in charge.

Please show yourself now because I'm getting old and want to see my club in the hands of people who know what they are doing.

[Jones28]

That was me. It was easy to do.

Where were your continual threads last year when we finished third under the current owner?

[yerauldda]

Ron Gordon is so far from being the problem. Made a mistake in hiring Maloney but he’s given us backing like we’ve never had before.

The problem is the guys below him under performing.

[hibee_nation]

Utter nonsense

[scuttle]

Have to agree with most of what you say, from day one I’ve wondered why an American would want to buy Hibs, but I feel we are stuck with him for the foreseeable as there can’t be too many people who have the finances or willingness to risk it on buying Hibs

[dmc1875]

Ron Gordon is so far from being the problem. Made a mistake in hiring Maloney but he’s given us backing like we’ve never had before.

The problem is the guys below him under performing.

Not quite true as his son is butchering recruitment…

[Hibees1973]

That was me. It was easy to do.

Where were your continual thread last year when we finished third under the current owner?
You must have a fair bit of time on your hands.

Happy with where we are now then?

[jeffers]

Am I imagining it, but did he say at the last AGM that someone wanted to buy him out but he didn’t want to sell ?

[NC1875]

His son and Ben Kensell are the problem

[cameronw-hfc]

Not quite true as his son is butchering recruitment…

You'd need to have a serious vendetta vs Ian to think the majority of these signings are his. Mcgeady, Tavares, Bojang, Cabraja all scream LJ signings if you've any clue about his previous signings at previous jobs. Sunderland fans literally told us he signs unknows from abroad, some turn hit good some turn out bad.

LJ said himself he wouldn't have taken the job if he didn't have control over recruitment.

[Pretty Boy]

If Rod Petrie was on his 3rd manager in a year, had overseen a season where we missed top 6 and watched us eliminated from the LC in the group stages then no amount of pointing at balance sheets and infrastructure investments would have been considered acceptable mitigation. The abuse would have been as vitriolic as it always was.

It's obviously still a honeymoon period for Gordon but the 1st team is what matters for most fans and thus far he's watching the men he appointed allow us to regress at an alarming rate.

[Wheat Hound]

Like RG but appointing his son and Kinsell to run things has resulted in sustained and abject failure. He needed someone with a clue about football to advise him rather the scattergun approach deployed to date.

[Jones28]

You must have a fair bit of time on your hands.

Happy with where we are now then?

It took 30 seconds, it’s Hibs net not the ****ing Pentagon and all completely available to anyone who cares to look.

I’m happy with our owner, I’m not happy with our CEO, manager and numerous players.

[Hibees1973]

It took 30 seconds, it’s Hibs net not the ****ing Pentagon and all completely available to anyone who cares to look.

I’m happy with our owner, I’m not happy with our CEO, manager and numerous players.

Just find it weird behaviour trawling through the posts made by one member of hibs.net collating them together, selecting a few and posting them out there. But if makes you sleep at night, so be it.

[Jones28]

Just find it weird behaviour trawling through the posts made by one member of hibs.net collating them together, selecting a few and posting them out there. But if makes you sleep at night, so be it.

Mate you place waaaaay to high an opinion of yourself on my priorities list if you think I spent hours trawling through every post you’ve made on Hibs net to find which thread you started.

You can do it to me if you like, it take seconds and they’re all there.

You have an agenda, you don’t like being called out on it, so you don’t discuss it. I’ve answered your question you posed directly to me but I see you neglected to answer mine which I will ask again: where were your threads last season after our third place finish?

[Stokesy's on fire]

Ron Gordon is so far from being the problem. Made a mistake in hiring Maloney but he’s given us backing like we’ve never had before.

The problem is the guys below him under performing.

Ron Gordon is the problem..organizations rot from the top down.

[JammyDoidger]

Ron Gordon is so far from being the problem. Made a mistake in hiring Maloney but he’s given us backing like we’ve never had before.

The problem is the guys below him under performing.

If it's not Ron Gordon, then it's Kensall and Ian Gordon that are the problem, with our budget a half decent manager would have had us in Europe last season, the Recruitment is the issue, it's been woeful again. Signing unproven youngsters and expecting success is bizzare, and it is totally disrespectful to the competition we are playing in. Scottish football is clearly better than the bosses at our club think it is.

[zitelli62]

1,hibs have spent more money than any team outwith the ol firm since he took over.
2,we have more money coming into our club now than ever before.
3,he is responsible for the recruitment team that is lacking just now but as a business man he will know that.
4,where are all the so called hibs fans with money willing to buy the club when ron bought us nowhere to be seen.

[Heisenberg]

1,hibs have spent more money than any team outwith the ol firm since he took over.
2,we have more money coming into our club now than ever before.
3,he is responsible for the recruitment team that is lacking just now but as a business man he will know that.
4,where are all the so called hibs fans with money willing to buy the club when ron bought us nowhere to be seen.

Not sure point one is correct? Aberdeen have spent £2m this summer alone and that’s only on transfer fees. We have certainly been spending more than we used to, just a shame his son and Ben Kensell have been in charge of it.

[zitelli62]

Not sure point one is correct? Aberdeen have spent £2m this summer alone and that’s only on transfer fees. We have certainly been spending more than we used to, just a shame his son and Ben Kensell have been in charge of it.

Totally agree recruitment has been bad but up till now we have spent money and it looks like we will have to spend but my point being is we do spend money not always great though.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Is it cynical to suggest that scattergun recruitment of youngsters hoping to turn a profit on a couple is the primary objective here... with the results on the park somewhere later

[Jones28]

Is it cynical to suggest that scattergun recruitment of youngsters hoping to turn a profit on a couple is the primary objective here... with the results on the park somewhere later

Surely that’s a direct contradiction? The recruits are only going to make you money if they perform well and therefor garner success for the team?

[Sir David Gray]

Yeah, me again.

This is a Hibs forum mostly read by die hard Hibs supporters. Who else would want to spend their time logging on to this website and read the comments posted. I understand there are a few interlopers on this forum, jeez, I've even been labelled a Yam myself, when posting my own honest views.

We all have various levels of patience. Some posters are labelled by others as happy clappers, not willing to see the truth that is in front of their eyes, or others tagged as bed-wetters when posting impetuous comments based on limited evidence. But one thing we have in common is we want to see Hibs function productively off the field and efficiently on the field. I've not seen any of this recently. Surely it's becoming clear to even the most delusioned Hibee that all is not well at ER.

Other threads titled about Johnson or underperforming players are totally missing the point. Our issue and has been over the last year or so is with the owner.

Ron, his son and Kensall are responsible for the mess we are in and must be removed immediately. I've been saying this for months based on ridiculous management decisions, irrational signings and fantasy language used by our owner. We have become a joke and it's now painful.

I'm not really sure what power we as fans have nowadays. But any good people we had at the club have been erased within the last couple of years.

This is not the first time I've posted a thread criticising our owner. One of my fellow posters even took the time to trawl through my posts and select only the negative ones that I did regarding Ron. Maybe he will do so again. I hope he does because I stand by every word I have said about Ron Gordon.

The only time we are going to improve is when Ron, his son & Kensall are gone.

Is there anyone out there with the money, an affinity with Hibs and the desire to remove these idiots in charge.

Please show yourself now because I'm getting old and want to see my club in the hands of people who know what they are doing.

Agree with much of this.

I haven't been comfortable with the current regime for a while now and things just keep getting worse.

The fundamental structure at the club is all wrong and that's down to the owner. Hiring his son as Head of Recruitment was a huge red flag for me at the time, I even said so when it first became public knowledge but got quite a bit of grief for saying it. It was nepotism pure and simple and then to hear the owner downplaying the importance of our Head of Recruitment post was quite baffling to say the least.

For me we are not improving, quite the opposite in fact and the responsibility for that lies with the owner and his senior management team.

[SMAXXA]

You'd need to have a serious vendetta vs Ian to think the majority of these signings are his. Mcgeady, Tavares, Bojang, Cabraja all scream LJ signings if you've any clue about his previous signings at previous jobs. Sunderland fans literally told us he signs unknows from abroad, some turn hit good some turn out bad.

LJ said himself he wouldn't have taken the job if he didn't have control over recruitment.

Funny you say about what Sunderland fans were saying about some unknowns and some turn out good some don’t etc as I was speaking to a Bristol City fan a few weeks ago when I was on holiday and he said exactly the same. Was positive about it as more good than bad but also said he will need time to get his own stamp on it, can annoy alot of folk with his buzz words etc and talks a good game but was actually very complimentary about him and thinks he will do well.

[Torto7]

I have no issue with Ron Gordon and I'm happy he's in charge of the club. I think his strategy is correct and people need to be patient.

[H18 SFR]

Also like Ron Gordon. This and next season will be about developing the playing squad. Roll on season 2024/25. This is a long haul job.

[Stuart93]

I have no issue with Ron Gordon and I'm happy he's in charge of the club. I think his strategy is correct and people need to be patient.

Aye we’re being patient, patiently waiting for our inevitable sleep walk into relegation in a few seasons.

[matty_f]

There's an expression about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater and I think it's appropriate here.

The League Cup campaign has been an embarrassment, tonight's showing was as brutal as it was unacceptable.

We have become accustomed to getting to the latter stages of this competition and (presuming Clyde don't bail us out) this will be the first time that Gordon's overseen the club exciting the competition so early.

I understand why he sacked Ross, even if I didn't like the decision, and I understand the quick action taken to sack Maloney.

I would be appalled if he sacked Johnson so early, we need stability and if the club are going down the route of a rebuild then give it the necessary time to work.

We've had two shocking and embarrassing results in as many weeks but this is right at the start of Johnson's time at the club.

It's easy to vent and get angry about what's happened, the hard thing (but imho, the right thing) is to stay the course and give it time.

In my lifetime I can't remember us having an owner who was as ambitious and who forced through as much change at the club as Gordon has. It's not given an immediate result but that doesn't mean it's the wrong approach - we won't know that for a while yet, but to abandon the work on the back of a crappy start is idiotic, imho.

[CL0762]

You'd need to have a serious vendetta vs Ian to think the majority of these signings are his. Mcgeady, Tavares, Bojang, Cabraja all scream LJ signings if you've any clue about his previous signings at previous jobs. Sunderland fans literally told us he signs unknows from abroad, some turn hit good some turn out bad.

LJ said himself he wouldn't have taken the job if he didn't have control over recruitment.

Ian Gordon sits and watches wyscout and decides what players to go after.

This smoke and mirrors pish about ‘he’s in charge of a team of people’ is absolute *****.

I do not for one single second believe that Johnson has full autonomy over recruitment. Just like I don’t think Maloney did, or Ross did.

RG has got us in probably the best possible health off the park & I’ll applaud him for that, but the appointments he is making directly underneath him are shocking.

I’m prepared to be shut down about this just like I have been in the past but nothing and I mean nothing changes whilst Ian Gordon has such an influential part in such a fundamental part of the club.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I've never had strong feelings about him either way, but I can't say I'm impressed. Yes, more money has been spent, but we are getting worse. How does that happen? Clearly things aren't functioning as they should. He changes managers like he changes his undies, which is also a worry. He's good at the American big talk, but the delivery hasn't matched the rhetoric so far, IMHO. Giving his son an important job he isn't qualified for is very amateurish. He is the boss and needs to raise standards across the club.

[Scotty Leither]

There's an expression about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater and I think it's appropriate here.

The League Cup campaign has been an embarrassment, tonight's showing was as brutal as it was unacceptable.

We have become accustomed to getting to the latter stages of this competition and (presuming Clyde don't bail us out) this will be the first time that Gordon's overseen the club exciting the competition so early.

I understand why he sacked Ross, even if I didn't like the decision, and I understand the quick action taken to sack Maloney.

I would be appalled if he sacked Johnson so early, we need stability and if the club are going down the route of a rebuild then give it the necessary time to work.

We've had two shocking and embarrassing results in as many weeks but this is right at the start of Johnson's time at the club.

It's easy to vent and get angry about what's happened, the hard thing (but imho, the right thing) is to stay the course and give it time.

In my lifetime I can't remember us having an owner who was as ambitious and who forced through as much change at the club as Gordon has. It's not given an immediate result but that doesn't mean it's the wrong approach - we won't know that for a while yet, but to abandon the work on the back of a crappy start is idiotic, imho.

The recruitment is nothing short of woeful, the areas needing addressed for the last 3 transfer windows haven't been addressed and it's glaringly obvious to everybody and their wife that right now it's proven quality we need and not young, untried players being blooded into a struggling side in front of a demanding support.

If he isn't careful Matty we're heading into yet another season of "transition" and all that entails, where any goodwill he's built up will quickly dissipate, and that risks being the owner's legacy no matter how bright and shiny the stadium is, the vocal range of the opera singer, or how loud and sparkly the fireworks are.

[matty_f]

The recruitment is nothing short of woeful, the areas needing addressed for the last 3 transfer windows haven't been addressed and it's glaringly obvious to everybody and their wife that right now it's proven quality we need and not young, untried players being blooded into a struggling side in front of a demanding support.

If he isn't careful Matty we're heading into yet another season of "transition" and all that entails, where any goodwill he's built up will quickly dissipate, and that risks being the owner's legacy no matter how bright and shiny the stadium is, the vocal range of the opera singer, or how loud and sparkly the fireworks are.
We don't know if the recruitment is woeful under Johnson. We've seen a bit of Bojang, 45 minutes of Tavares, Marshall and McGeady are good players, we've not seen Youan yet... The players are five minutes in the door.

[Baader]

Not going to pass judgement so early on LJ but Ron Gordon needs him to succeed. Continual hiring and firing shows where the problem lies

[The Harp Awakes]

It took 30 seconds, it’s Hibs net not the ****ing Pentagon and all completely available to anyone who cares to look.

I’m happy with our owner, I’m not happy with our CEO, manager and numerous players.



Did our owner not appoint both? Why is he beyond blame?

[SingaporeHibs]

Agree with much of this.

I haven't been comfortable with the current regime for a while now and things just keep getting worse.

The fundamental structure at the club is all wrong and that's down to the owner. Hiring his son as Head of Recruitment was a huge red flag for me at the time, I even said so when it first became public knowledge but got quite a bit of grief for saying it. It was nepotism pure and simple and then to hear the owner downplaying the importance of our Head of Recruitment post was quite baffling to say the least.

For me we are not improving, quite the opposite in fact and the responsibility for that lies with the owner and his senior management team.

Yeah, agree with much of OP and yourself. Red flags everywhere. I’m truly worried about our club and that goes beyond the first team.

[Forza Fred]

Other than to say, this thread is not worth commenting on….Iwon’t dignify it with a comment.

[LancsHibs]

Well in a couple of days Ben Kendall will have been CEO of our great club for one year. Now maybe there are things commercially that he can point to with some success I don’t know and to be honest don’t really care much, it’s the on field and state of the first team I care about and all I can say Ben is what a year! One of the worst in supporting Hibs and there has been some dross over the years, but this past year has been shameful. You seem to have got all the big decisions wrong. Maybe time you rethink your position?

[Since90+2]

He's made two mistakes. First one was sacking Ross and the other is appointing his son as Head of Recruitment when he's obviously not qualified for the role.

[Northernhibee]

Other than to say, this thread is not worth commenting on….Iwon’t dignify it with a comment.

Too late.

[lyonhibs]

Until someone else ponies up the cash, we're stuck with RG and those he appoints beneath him. Not that they are immune to criticism, far from it, but the owner is going nowhere for the foreseeable unless he chooses to sell up and there's actually some other mug (I mean, who makes decent money from Scottish football?!?) willing to pay the asking price.

[Scotty Leither]

He's made two mistakes. First one was sacking Ross and the other is appointing his son as Head of Recruitment when he's obviously not qualified for the role.

His son appears to be his blind spot. Two of his signings, Kenneh and Miller have done nothing of note against poor opposition and Miller has been hooked at half time twice now.

Football is a harsh environment and I couldn’t care less if they’re young/inexperienced/getting used to the league, etc, on their showings so far they’re not good enough for Hibs., but will our trigger-happy owner relieve his son of his duties?

[jakeshibs]

Yeah, me again.

This is a Hibs forum mostly read by die hard Hibs supporters. Who else would want to spend their time logging on to this website and read the comments posted. I understand there are a few interlopers on this forum, jeez, I've even been labelled a Yam myself, when posting my own honest views.

We all have various levels of patience. Some posters are labelled by others as happy clappers, not willing to see the truth that is in front of their eyes, or others tagged as bed-wetters when posting impetuous comments based on limited evidence. But one thing we have in common is we want to see Hibs function productively off the field and efficiently on the field. I've not seen any of this recently. Surely it's becoming clear to even the most delusioned Hibee that all is not well at ER.

Other threads titled about Johnson or underperforming players are totally missing the point. Our issue and has been over the last year or so is with the owner.

Ron, his son and Kensall are responsible for the mess we are in and must be removed immediately. I've been saying this for months based on ridiculous management decisions, irrational signings and fantasy language used by our owner. We have become a joke and it's now painful.

I'm not really sure what power we as fans have nowadays. But any good people we had at the club have been erased within the last couple of years.

This is not the first time I've posted a thread criticising our owner. One of my fellow posters even took the time to trawl through my posts and select only the negative ones that I did regarding Ron. Maybe he will do so again. I hope he does because I stand by every word I have said about Ron Gordon.

The only time we are going to improve is when Ron, his son & Kensall are gone.

Is there anyone out there with the money, an affinity with Hibs and the desire to remove these idiots in charge.

Please show yourself now because I'm getting old and want to see my club in the hands of people who know what they are doing.


I am sorry but i completely disagree with everything you say.

Ron Gordon is not the biggest problem and if you hound him like you want and put pressure on him to sell after he has invested his money into the club I fear we may well get what we deserve and it possibly could end our club
There is no line of rich hibs supporters you want to just spend all their money on hibs as it is not a good investment but a cost.

we must be careful what we wish for GGTHH

[The Captain....]

Until someone else ponies up the cash, we're stuck with RG and those he appoints beneath him. Not that they are immune to criticism, far from it, but the owner is going nowhere for the foreseeable unless he chooses to sell up and there's actually some other mug (I mean, who makes decent money from Scottish football?!?) willing to pay the asking price.Exactly this, we're stuck with Gordon & Son for the forseeable.

Let the good times roll [emoji849]

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[Heisenberg]

He's made two mistakes. First one was sacking Ross and the other is appointing his son as Head of Recruitment when he's obviously not qualified for the role.

Kensell shouldn’t be anywhere near the job he’s in now. Commercial side is his arena, he’s not got a clue about running the football bit and he seems to play a key part in that.

[The Modfather]

We don't know if the recruitment is woeful under Johnson. We've seen a bit of Bojang, 45 minutes of Tavares, Marshall and McGeady are good players, we've not seen Youan yet... The players are five minutes in the door.

We do know that the recruitment hasn’t addressed the midfield though, which all our issues stem from IMO.

We moved on Gogic in January only to then sign a similar player in Kenneh as our only effort to address the midfield.

[Juice-Terry]

Why are so many people adamant that it's Ian Gordon who decides who we sign when Ron, Kensell, LJ (and others) have all said that's not the case? Having said that, the 'Buy young players with sell-on-potential' approach has been taken WAY too far. We need proven QUALITY in now!

[Northernhibee]

Why are so many people adamant that it's Ian Gordon who decides who we sign when Ron, Kensell, LJ (and others) have all said that's not the case? Having said that, the 'Buy young players with sell-on-potential' approach has been taken WAY too far. We need proven QUALITY in now!

Because the same mistakes have now been repeated over multiple managers.

It’s either a massive coincidence or we can point the finger elsewhere from the manager.

[blackpoolhibs]

I have not seen investment in the club like what we've had since Ron took over, he's ploughed money in at a remarkable rate.

Off field but particularly on the park too.

Where i believe he's gone wrong, is who he's spending that money on, as far as i can see, most of these players are not ready for 1st team football yet, bar Henderson Marshall and McGeady.

Couple that by starting this season with that midfield. :rolleyes:

It does look like they are playing the long game, but that will piss an awful lot of people off, and will make easter road empty and toxic with those who remain attending.

[Jones28]

[/B]

Did our owner not appoint both? Why is he beyond blame?

He isn’t beyond blame, but I don’t think he deserves the blame for chronic under performance of the team on the pitch.

[Since452]

Yeah, me again.

This is a Hibs forum mostly read by die hard Hibs supporters. Who else would want to spend their time logging on to this website and read the comments posted. I understand there are a few interlopers on this forum, jeez, I've even been labelled a Yam myself, when posting my own honest views.

We all have various levels of patience. Some posters are labelled by others as happy clappers, not willing to see the truth that is in front of their eyes, or others tagged as bed-wetters when posting impetuous comments based on limited evidence. But one thing we have in common is we want to see Hibs function productively off the field and efficiently on the field. I've not seen any of this recently. Surely it's becoming clear to even the most delusioned Hibee that all is not well at ER.

Other threads titled about Johnson or underperforming players are totally missing the point. Our issue and has been over the last year or so is with the owner.

Ron, his son and Kensall are responsible for the mess we are in and must be removed immediately. I've been saying this for months based on ridiculous management decisions, irrational signings and fantasy language used by our owner. We have become a joke and it's now painful.

I'm not really sure what power we as fans have nowadays. But any good people we had at the club have been erased within the last couple of years.

This is not the first time I've posted a thread criticising our owner. One of my fellow posters even took the time to trawl through my posts and select only the negative ones that I did regarding Ron. Maybe he will do so again. I hope he does because I stand by every word I have said about Ron Gordon.

The only time we are going to improve is when Ron, his son & Kensall are gone.

Is there anyone out there with the money, an affinity with Hibs and the desire to remove these idiots in charge.

Please show yourself now because I'm getting old and want to see my club in the hands of people who know what they are doing.

Why can't you call Ian his name instead of always calling him Ron's son? Weird.

[Mcbizz1998]

Ron Gordon is so far from being the problem. Made a mistake in hiring Maloney but he’s given us backing like we’ve never had before.

The problem is the guys below him under performing.

He picked and continues to employ the guys under him.

[SHODAN]

It's getting to the point where we're in danger of poor results irrespective of the manager, which is what did Petrie in.

[hibsforeurope]

Yeah, me again.

This is a Hibs forum mostly read by die hard Hibs supporters. Who else would want to spend their time logging on to this website and read the comments posted. I understand there are a few interlopers on this forum, jeez, I've even been labelled a Yam myself, when posting my own honest views.

We all have various levels of patience. Some posters are labelled by others as happy clappers, not willing to see the truth that is in front of their eyes, or others tagged as bed-wetters when posting impetuous comments based on limited evidence. But one thing we have in common is we want to see Hibs function productively off the field and efficiently on the field. I've not seen any of this recently. Surely it's becoming clear to even the most delusioned Hibee that all is not well at ER.

Other threads titled about Johnson or underperforming players are totally missing the point. Our issue and has been over the last year or so is with the owner.

Ron, his son and Kensall are responsible for the mess we are in and must be removed immediately. I've been saying this for months based on ridiculous management decisions, irrational signings and fantasy language used by our owner. We have become a joke and it's now painful.

I'm not really sure what power we as fans have nowadays. But any good people we had at the club have been erased within the last couple of years.

This is not the first time I've posted a thread criticising our owner. One of my fellow posters even took the time to trawl through my posts and select only the negative ones that I did regarding Ron. Maybe he will do so again. I hope he does because I stand by every word I have said about Ron Gordon.

The only time we are going to improve is when Ron, his son & Kensall are gone.

Is there anyone out there with the money, an affinity with Hibs and the desire to remove these idiots in charge.

Please show yourself now because I'm getting old and want to see my club in the hands of people who know what they are doing.


Totally agree with every word of this, for a long time i've had a distrust of the Board, especially Ron. We have regressed on the football side massively since he got rid of the old regime.

The manager is not, just, the issue its many things. All the chat was we get an experienced manager who knows the Scottish league, we were told by Ron that man was LJ. after getting an experienced manager we go and arm him with a squad full of inexperienced or past their peak agency signings who have played none or very little 'mens' football in the last year, where's the logic in this?

The instruction comes from the top, the owner employs the staff and they carry out his 'plan' (at this stage that is very unclear in football terms).

The buck stops with Ron.

[hibsforeurope]

Surely that’s a direct contradiction? The recruits are only going to make you money if they perform well and therefor garner success for the team?

We have signed 8 players in the hope 1 maybe two will turn a profit. That is the policy Craig Levin went for and look how that ended.

[brog]

We complain about recruitment but everyone has a different idea of what that should look like. A few weeks back I posted that to me our most urgent and obvious need was for a genuine striker. Not sure anyone agreed with me then, all the noise was for a #6, whatever that means. I suspect more people may agree with me now but that's not really my point, its more that whatever you do people will have different opinions. There's still people on here saying Doidge will return to his 1st season form. I have no argument with our owner, I'm not sure appointing his son was a wise move but like 99% of people on here I have no idea how well, or badly, Ian Gordon is performing. I also found Ben Kensell very impressive when i met him in Portugal. I think it's far too early to pass judgement on our current recruitment. I believe there's been one serious lapse in judgement so far and that was our manager not taking the LC seriously enough. Hopefully LJ learns quickly from that mistake.

[SlickShoes]

The expectation that we turn around the disaster of last season and completely change the entire squad, backroom staff and playing style in 4 weeks is what is doing us in.

It is ridiculous to expect such drastic change when currently we are still stuck playing a bunch of the same players too. Things take time, but our fans have no patience for anything, they must win every single week playing well and if not then the CEO should go, the owner should go and the manager should go.

What people are calling for is the death of the club, the change demanded in threads like this is not sustainable.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The expectation that we turn around the disaster of last season and completely change the entire squad, backroom staff and playing style in 4 weeks is what is doing us in.

It is ridiculous to expect such drastic change when currently we are still stuck playing a bunch of the same players too. Things take time, but our fans have no patience for anything, they must win every single week playing well and if not then the CEO should go, the owner should go and the manager should go.

What people are calling for is the death of the club, the change demanded in threads like this is not sustainable.

We’ve signed loads of players and neglected the critical positions.

People are only advocating changing the entire squad because we’ve signed however many players without improving the positions that done us over last season.

If we’d signed 6 players and 2 of them were centre mids that looked like they’d improve us you’d probably find less people wanting a whole new team. As it is, we’ve let guys like McGinn go to replace him when it didn’t really need done, we could have just kept McGinn who was fine as a backup and it would have meant we could have focussed our efforts in signing the players we actually needed.

Also, absolutely nobody is suggesting we win every week and win playing well.

[One Day Soon]

Ron Gordon is so far from being the problem. Made a mistake in hiring Maloney but he’s given us backing like we’ve never had before.

The problem is the guys below him under performing.


Which means he is also the problem because he is the boss and is ultimately in charge. If his nominees aren't up to it he needs to bin them and find people who are. If he's the problem he needs to find a COO who can run a football club.

[SlickShoes]

We’ve signed loads of players and neglected the critical positions.

People are only advocating changing the entire squad because we’ve signed however many players without improving the positions that done us over last season.

If we’d signed 6 players and 2 of them were centre mids that looked like they’d improve us you’d probably find less people wanting a whole new team. As it is, we’ve let guys like McGinn go to replace him when it didn’t really need done, we could have just kept McGinn who was fine as a backup and it would have meant we could have focussed our efforts in signing the players we actually needed.

Also, absolutely nobody is suggesting we win every week and win playing well.

Look at the reaction when we don't play well or lose, you get threads like this.

There is no room for a turnaround, its win or get out.

Guys like McGinn? So just McGinn who wanted to leave, and left, the manager has some sort of plan and is clearly signing the players he wants.

[Hibbyradge]

:faf:

[Stuart93]

The expectation that we turn around the disaster of last season and completely change the entire squad, backroom staff and playing style in 4 weeks is what is doing us in.

It is ridiculous to expect such drastic change when currently we are still stuck playing a bunch of the same players too. Things take time, but our fans have no patience for anything, they must win every single week playing well and if not then the CEO should go, the owner should go and the manager should go.

What people are calling for is the death of the club, the change demanded in threads like this is not sustainable.

So we shouldn’t be expecting to go through in a group consisting of Morton Falkirk and Bonnyrigg?

Transformation doesn’t happen over night but if you’re signing 12 new players, albeit not all of them have featured, with a new manager in the dug out and can’t progress from that group there’s something wrong.

No-ones expecting miracles but people are expecting to see small differences on the pitch. There was zero difference on that park against Falkirk or Morton, two of the better teams in our group from Maloneys hibs team last season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Look at the reaction when we don't play well or lose, you get threads like this.

There is no room for a turnaround, its win or get out.

Guys like McGinn? So just McGinn who wanted to leave, and left, the manager has some sort of plan and is clearly signing the players he wants.

And that’s fine, he can sign all the players he wants. If he doesn’t sign the players he needs though then we’ll continue to be wanting a whole new team as our midfield will see us bottom half again. And nobody wants that.

[One Day Soon]

The expectation that we turn around the disaster of last season and completely change the entire squad, backroom staff and playing style in 4 weeks is what is doing us in.

It is ridiculous to expect such drastic change when currently we are still stuck playing a bunch of the same players too. Things take time, but our fans have no patience for anything, they must win every single week playing well and if not then the CEO should go, the owner should go and the manager should go.

What people are calling for is the death of the club, the change demanded in threads like this is not sustainable.


I'm sorry but the change needed should not require losing to Falkirk and drawing with Morton, no matter how much time it is going to take to turn things around. On current evidence we are worse than last season to this point.

[ancient hibee]

A group of players ,mainly experienced,didn’t perform or show any resilience and got two managers sacked in six months. Pretty obvious where the problem is.

[SlickShoes]

I'm sorry but the change needed should not require losing to Falkirk and drawing with Morton, no matter how much time it is going to take to turn things around. On current evidence we are worse than last season to this point.

It doesn't require losing, but its sport and these things happen, the other teams are actually there to win games too not just sit there while we steamroller them.

Change takes time, we do not look worse than we did with maloney, we don't look much better either. It's only been 4 weeks.

[lucky]

Why are so many people adamant that it's Ian Gordon who decides who we sign when Ron, Kensell, LJ (and others) have all said that's not the case? Having said that, the 'Buy young players with sell-on-potential' approach has been taken WAY too far. We need proven QUALITY in now!

Spot on. I think that Steve Kean is behind this policy and RG thinks it’s a way to make money

[SickBoy32]

Transfer policy is obviously very questionable, given the last 3 windows and the alarming reduction in first team quality.

To compound this, who is responsible for new contracts? Last year, under JR we had Doidge, JDH and Campbell given lengthy extensions - (we were playing well at this stage which can maybe alleviate some concerns, albeit Doidge was still recovering from a long term injury)

However, in the midst of the Maloney spell of no goals etc, we rewarded Newell with an extension until 2025 FFS.

Does this suggest that either IG / BK are in charge of player contracts rather than the incumbent manager? What are they basing these new contracts on? (Would imagine some sort of perceived future windfall)

I think Ron has good intentions for the club, but his decision to appoint his son and BK to such crucial roles may prove to be his achilles heel.

[matty_f]

We do know that the recruitment hasn’t addressed the midfield though, which all our issues stem from IMO.

We moved on Gogic in January only to then sign a similar player in Kenneh as our only effort to address the midfield.

I agree with that.

[brog]

We’ve signed loads of players and neglected the critical positions.

People are only advocating changing the entire squad because we’ve signed however many players without improving the positions that done us over last season.

If we’d signed 6 players and 2 of them were centre mids that looked like they’d improve us you’d probably find less people wanting a whole new team. As it is, we’ve let guys like McGinn go to replace him when it didn’t really need done, we could have just kept McGinn who was fine as a backup and it would have meant we could have focussed our efforts in signing the players we actually needed.

Also, absolutely nobody is suggesting we win every week and win playing well.

Which critical positions have we neglected? People complained about Macey, we signed Marshall, people said we needed a #6, we signed Kenneh, we needed strikers, we signed 2 but only one was available last night. I could go on with us signing a LB, 2 CB' and wide players. We're still trying hard for another, experienced CB but that wouldn't have improved the quality of our forward play or our creativity last night.

[One Day Soon]

It doesn't require losing, but its sport and these things happen, the other teams are actually there to win games too not just sit there while we steamroller them.

Change takes time, we do not look worse than we did with maloney, we don't look much better either. It's only been 4 weeks.


'It's sport and these things happen' is quite the forgiveness of sins benediction for a failure to win both of these games. We are about to start competing with Celtic, Rangers, Hearts and Aberdeen who are of a completely different footballing order. We didn't play well and get unlucky, we were clueless. We should have signed players ready to come into the team now and we haven't. We should be playing a better system and we're not. We should be showing more self belief and we're not.

He might get it right but I won't be calling it anything rosier than it actually is, which at the moment is godawful.

Relative to this stage last season we are considerably worse. Relative to Maloney is the apologist's bar since it is both so mind-bendingly low and not what you would imagine any Hibs manager would see as a target.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Which critical positions have we neglected? People complained about Macey, we signed Marshall, people said we needed a #6, we signed Kenneh, we needed strikers, we signed 2 but only one was available last night. I could go on with us signing a LB, 2 CB' and wide players. We're still trying hard for another, experienced CB but that wouldn't have improved the quality of our forward play or our creativity last night.

We needed at least two quality centre midfielders. It’s the most important position on the pitch. Our centre midfield absolutely destroyed us last season and was by far the most critical position to get signings of quality in. We’ve signed a guy who had never played first team football. That’s it. That’s neglecting it.

[superfurryhibby]

'It's sport and these things happen' is quite the forgiveness of sins benediction for a failure to win both of these games. We are about to start competing with Celtic, Rangers, Hearts and Aberdeen who are of a completely different footballing order. We didn't play well and get unlucky, we were clueless. We should have signed players ready to come into the team now and we haven't. We should be playing a better system and we're not. We should be showing more self belief and we're not.

He might get it right but I won't be calling it anything rosier than it actually is, which at the moment is godawful.

Relative to this stage last season we are considerably worse. Relative to Maloney is the apologist's bar since it is both so mind-bendingly low and not what you would imagine any Hibs manager would see as a target.

Good post.

How anyone can seriously defend what's happening is beyond me.

Hibs are a mess on the field and the owner needs to be held accountable for the direction we have taken.

Make or break season for the Gordon regime, more of the same pish or worse and he will come to truly understand the fickle nature of football fans.

[Paulie Walnuts]

'It's sport and these things happen' is quite the forgiveness of sins benediction for a failure to win both of these games. We are about to start competing with Celtic, Rangers, Hearts and Aberdeen who are of a completely different footballing order. We didn't play well and get unlucky, we were clueless. We should have signed players ready to come into the team now and we haven't. We should be playing a better system and we're not. We should be showing more self belief and we're not.

He might get it right but I won't be calling it anything rosier than it actually is, which at the moment is godawful.

Relative to this stage last season we are considerably worse. Relative to Maloney is the apologist's bar since it is both so mind-bendingly low and not what you would imagine any Hibs manager would see as a target.

:agree:

[SlickShoes]

'It's sport and these things happen' is quite the forgiveness of sins benediction for a failure to win both of these games. We are about to start competing with Celtic, Rangers, Hearts and Aberdeen who are of a completely different footballing order. We didn't play well and get unlucky, we were clueless. We should have signed players ready to come into the team now and we haven't. We should be playing a better system and we're not. We should be showing more self belief and we're not.

He might get it right but I won't be calling it anything rosier than it actually is, which at the moment is godawful.

Relative to this stage last season we are considerably worse. Relative to Maloney is the apologist's bar since it is both so mind-bendingly low and not what you would imagine any Hibs manager would see as a target.

Whats the better system? how long should players get to learn it?

Do you not think the manager is going to be doing something different from Maloney? He's had 4 weeks as I said and that's not with many of the players because moving teams isn't just turning up for training at a different location one day and instantly understanding all your team mates.

Why is it OK to compare now to this time last year, but not compare it to Maloneyball?

No one at all has said things are good, last night was awful, I paid to get in and sit there watching it. But, we want everything all at once and its not going to happen.

Give the manager time but also get instant results, learn a new playing style but also do it instantly and already know it, integrate new players but also have them settle in and know everything straight away.

[One Day Soon]

Whats the better system? how long should players get to learn it?


Do you not think the manager is going to be doing something different from Maloney? He's had 4 weeks as I said and that's not with many of the players because moving teams isn't just turning up for training at a different location one day and instantly understanding all your team mates.

Why is it OK to compare now to this time last year, but not compare it to Maloneyball?

No one at all has said things are good, last night was awful, I paid to get in and sit there watching it. But, we want everything all at once and its not going to happen.

Give the manager time but also get instant results, learn a new playing style but also do it instantly and already know it, integrate new players but also have them settle in and know everything straight away.


Listen to yourself.

You're not defending a poor league start against St Johnstone and Hearts, you're defending a defeat to Falkirk two leagues below us and a draw at home to a Morton side that finished 5 points off a relegation spot in the in the league below us.

No-one expects us to be playing like Brazil at this stage however I think that as aspirations go, 'not 5hite' isn't really asking for the moon.

[Iain G]

Listen to yourself.

You're not defending a poor league start against St Johnstone and Hearts, you're defending a defeat to Falkirk two leagues below us and a draw at home to a Morton side that finished 5 points off a relegation spot in the in the league below us.

No-one expects us to be playing like Brazil at this stage however I think that as aspirations go, 'not 5hite' isn't really asking for the moon.

He isn't defending anything if you read his post properly, however he is pointing out we need to give more than 4 weeks to the new manager and more than 45 mins for some of the new boys before righting them all off as ****.

[GreenGray]

I actually think Ron has put his money where his mouth is in terms of investment. But his continued loyalty in his son and Ben Kensell will be his down fall.

Desperately need a director of football and I think Kensell is out his depth.


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[Rob]

If Rod Petrie was on his 3rd manager in a year, had overseen a season where we missed top 6 and watched us eliminated from the LC in the group stages then no amount of pointing at balance sheets and infrastructure investments would have been considered acceptable mitigation. The abuse would have been as vitriolic as it always was.

It's obviously still a honeymoon period for Gordon but the 1st team is what matters for most fans and thus far he's watching the men he appointed allow us to regress at an alarming rate.
Cant disagree with anything you've said there, pretty much sums up the current situation.

[SHODAN]

Yeah, I think this suspension cock up has pushed it over the line for me.

Clearly investing in the team but not capable of running a football club nor appointing the correct personell.

Appointing his son as head of recruitment is straight out of the Romanov playbook.

[brog]

We needed at least two quality centre midfielders. It’s the most important position on the pitch. Our centre midfield absolutely destroyed us last season and was by far the most critical position to get signings of quality in. We’ve signed a guy who had never played first team football. That’s it. That’s neglecting it.

So not critical positions then, one position for which we signed a reputedly highly rated young player from an EPL club. Personally I was not over impressed with Kenneh in Portugal and subsequently but you're changing the argument now. Its perfectly fair, though possibly premature, to comment on the quality of our signings but it's wrong, IMO, to say we didn't make those signings.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So not critical positions then, one position for which we signed a reputedly highly rated young player from an EPL club. Personally I was not over impressed with Kenneh in Portugal and subsequently but you're changing the argument now. Its perfectly fair, though possibly premature, to comment on the quality of our signings but it's wrong, IMO, to say we didn't make those signings.

Ok, one position. Although if we really want to be pedantic, there’s 3 centre midfield positions up for grabs and imo we needed at least two quality midfielders coming in to take them, so positions could still really be correct :greengrin

I don’t think the signing of Kenneh can be considered to be anywhere near acceptable when it comes to fixing our midfield issues. He’d never played first team football, he should have been an addition to players with proven quality.

[SlickShoes]

What does Ian have to do with this **** up? Folk just want to be raging at him

[The Captain....]

The lack of professionalism and attention to detail at the club is extremely concerning.

Changes are needed.

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[WestStandWillie]

I wouldnae say Ron Out, I'd be emptying that empty vessel Ben Kensell first.

What's he actually done for the club? Went through 3 managers, got new screens (whoop dee doo), signed off on us getting sponsorship from a company going bust etc etc etc

Boy hasn't a clue - wearing crocs to a Doc Marten convention springs tae mind.

[GreenGray]

What does Ian have to do with this **** up? Folk just want to be raging at him

Who’s blamed Ian for it?


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[Northernhibee]

What does Ian have to do with this **** up? Folk just want to be raging at him

What does he have to do with football recruitment to be appointed to the job in the first place?

[truehibernian]

Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest the story today about fielding a suspended player. Tip of the melting iceberg for me. I was concerned last year about Ron Gordon and nothing has changed, far from it, it’s deepened my distrust. The club is not in good hands I’m afraid.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Remember “The Bunnet” with his “biscuit tin”?

He came in with different approach, had
many doubters. But stuck to his course that was the opposite of where Rangers and others headed.

Iirc he got a bit of a booing when he unfurled that Championship flag. In a nice bit of history re-writing he now appears to be lauded. He steered clear of the lemmings path Rangers, Hearts and others went on spending beyond their means.

I’m not saying RG is like the bunnet or he’s got it right (we can’t keep on failing and failing fast). Right here right now is the problem but he also appears to be taking the mid-longer view into consideration maybe in time we’ll see the friuts of that we can’t imagine right now?

That said, We’re not known for our patience beyond a certain point so the Question is whether he gets much more space and time.

[Torto7]

There's some absolute footballing savants on here who can tell if a players good or not with less than 45 mins football. Impressive stuff. Lets try 'supporting' the team for a while before writing them off.

[superfurryhibby]

There's some absolute footballing savants on here who can tell if a players good or not with less than 45 mins football. Impressive stuff. Lets try 'supporting' the team for a while before writing them off.

Great insight.

[Hibs90]

Remember “The Bunnet” with his “biscuit tin”?

He came in with different approach, had
many doubters. But stuck to his course that was the opposite of where Rangers and others headed.

Iirc he got a bit of a booing when he unfurled that Championship flag. In a nice bit of history re-writing he now appears to be lauded. He steered clear of the lemmings path Rangers, Hearts and others went on spending beyond their means.

I’m not saying RG is like the bunnet or he’s got it right (we can’t keep on failing and failing fast). Right here right now is the problem but he also appears to be taking the mid-longer view into consideration maybe in time we’ll see the friuts of that we can’t imagine right now?

That said, We’re not known for our patience beyond a certain point so the Question is whether he gets much more space and time.

I think that's a wee bit grasping at straws

[chippy]

Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest the story today about fielding a suspended player. Tip of the melting iceberg for me. I was concerned last year about Ron Gordon and nothing has changed, far from it, it’s deepened my distrust. The club is not in good hands I’m afraid.

Can u give us an idea of those concerns. Any specifics or just a general concern he’s not the right guy? I’m sympathetic to those concerns currently

[chippy]

Good post.

How anyone can seriously defend what's happening is beyond me.

Hibs are a mess on the field and the owner needs to be held accountable for the direction we have taken.

Make or break season for the Gordon regime, more of the same pish or worse and he will come to truly understand the fickle nature of football fans.

Maybe they will pocket the transfer fees for Boyle and Doig and go?

[superfurryhibby]

Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest the story today about fielding a suspended player. Tip of the melting iceberg for me. I was concerned last year about Ron Gordon and nothing has changed, far from it, it’s deepened my distrust. The club is not in good hands I’m afraid.

What were your concerns last year?

I was optimistic that we have achieved a fair bit with the third place and Cup runs. I had concerns around Ross, after the cup final in particular. I still felt that Gordon had invested in the team and management and that the club was only a few shrewd additions away from consolidating. The club didn't invest that summer. Ross wasn't really given the full backing financially. It showed in our signings and our performances, particularly after the Magennis injury. We know the rest of the story.

I accept that investment from the Boyle and Doig transfers is needed in other parts of the club. The rationale is understandable, up to a point.

However, it's the lack of signing first team quality players. Changing manager, with hindsight, was an error. The subsequent appointment and signings combined to ensure that the team performed badly for most of the remainder of the season.

I thought that we would see the club undergo a serious facelift and as well as all the young players, we would see more quality incomers. Thing for me is, we still might do just that.

The club are in a process of change. There's a new ownership and ownership style. Commercial potential and getting the most out of the business seems to have progressed a lot, despite blips like the NFT farce. The football has at times promised much, but it's mostly been inconsistent and didn't fully deliver the goods.

I had hoped a new regime would see Hibs realise potential more and be well able to consolidate their ability to compete, as a top side. It's been topsy turvy and had some great high points (well a reasonable amount) and some crappy low ones. At the moment we seem to be taking a bizarre course, but as things stand, it's looking all a bit questionable.

All that said. Gordon is here and there's no credible alternative. Perhaps his ownership needs more than three seasons to bring it's full influence to bear?

[CL0762]

What does Ian have to do with this **** up? Folk just want to be raging at him

Hi Ian.

[FilipinoHibs]

Ian Gordon sits and watches wyscout and decides what players to go after.

This smoke and mirrors pish about ‘he’s in charge of a team of people’ is absolute *****.

I do not for one single second believe that Johnson has full autonomy over recruitment. Just like I don’t think Maloney did, or Ross did.

RG has got us in probably the best possible health off the park & I’ll applaud him for that, but the appointments he is making directly underneath him are shocking.

I’m prepared to be shut down about this just like I have been in the past but nothing and I mean nothing changes whilst Ian Gordon has such an influential part in such a fundamental part of the club.

Do you have any concrete evidence? Or is all this wistful speculation?

[Fisherrow_Hibs]

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-hibernian-steve-kean-22188271

[CL0762]

Do you have any concrete evidence? Or is all this wistful speculation?

What do you mean by concrete evidence? If you mean have I witnessed it or been party to it then no.

I’ve no reason to disbelieve what I’ve been told.

Just like others who mention transfers etc, people have sources and to protect them they would never be publicly named.

[Hibees1973]

I started this thread late last night and yet another embarrassing episode has been uncovered this morning regarding fielding an ineligible player.

It's past the joke stage now. Must admit I cannot see much positives just now and the season has barely started.

I'm signing off for a few weeks as the threads on here make depressing reading. Know I've contributed to this, but it is what it is. As a few other posters have stated I've become boring starting threads stating my doubts on the ownership of the club.

Looking ahead to the start of the league campaign gives me the fear based on who we have signed and who is running the club. Anything less than 4 points from the first 4 games and the alarm bells will start to ring even louder. A positive League Cup group campaign could have led to lapsed season ticket holders renewing, but Ron and his cohorts have already blown this.

Seems just now it's one debacle after the next.

Ron, his son and Kensall are ruining Hibs due to their incompetence.

[Baader]

Remember “The Bunnet” with his “biscuit tin”?

He came in with different approach, had
many doubters. But stuck to his course that was the opposite of where Rangers and others headed.

Iirc he got a bit of a booing when he unfurled that Championship flag. In a nice bit of history re-writing he now appears to be lauded. He steered clear of the lemmings path Rangers, Hearts and others went on spending beyond their means.

I’m not saying RG is like the bunnet or he’s got it right (we can’t keep on failing and failing fast). Right here right now is the problem but he also appears to be taking the mid-longer view into consideration maybe in time we’ll see the friuts of that we can’t imagine right now?

That said, We’re not known for our patience beyond a certain point so the Question is whether he gets much more space and time.

The buscuit tin referred to Celtic boards pre-McCann

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I think that's a wee bit grasping at straws

In what sense?

Maybe folks that actually run a business of size can shed some additional perspective… The NFT fiasco I suppose was a punt, what is it hat we say “speculate to accumulate” is that just not applying that elsewhere? It’s not like flipping a light switch.

As an aside, Imagine if we’d had the COVID season with fans in the stadium? I think we’d have found a wee bit more of a connection that’s been eroded.

We are where we are and move forward.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The buscuit tin referred to Celtic boards pre-McCann

my mates at Uni referred to the biscuit-tin in the McCann era and it would appear is still being referred to by the support today - despite the preference of certain clubs to re-write history. It is now written as “sustainability”. Remember this was against the backdrop of Murray’s “for every Celtics £5 we’ll spend £10” (I paraphrase). McCann got pellets for his troubles but he made money out of saving and building the club effectively revolutionising it to steal the March they then had on the Rangers falling off the financial cliff they’d amassed.

[hhibs]

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-hibernian-steve-kean-22188271


Ouch.

[Hibiza]

No doubt some saying we're overeating, don't think so , Out of a Cup we usually do well in and it's not even August.

[SlickShoes]

No doubt some saying we're overeating, don't think so , Out of a Cup we usually do well in and it's not even August.

Usually do well in? Two wins in my 39 years haha

[truehibernian]

Can u give us an idea of those concerns. Any specifics or just a general concern he’s not the right guy? I’m sympathetic to those concerns currently

I’d be looking at who he has moved on, the ones who have left recently to pastures new (probably before being pushed), things I’ve heard about investment on the pitch and infrastructure, and his recent fans and media podcast where he was not only patronising but inconsistent with the answers he gave.

It’s not even season start and already we’ve signed a player because of a contract oversight, out the cup on both football and administrative failures, and signed more players for an U23 side than I can ever recall a club doing in Scotland. The owners son being in charge of recruitment should never of happened as he’s not qualified to do the role. The revolving manager door bringing with it the revolving player door, the club is an utter mess on and off the pitch. It’s lost identity, character, more importantly supporters, and arguably the trust of the fan base.

That’s my thoughts on things on a public forum bud. I simply can’t see Ron Gordon turning Hibs into anything near successful I’m afraid, pains me to say as it’s the club I love.

[chippy]

I’d be looking at who he has moved on, the ones who have left recently to pastures new (probably before being pushed), things I’ve heard about investment on the pitch and infrastructure, and his recent fans and media podcast where he was not only patronising but inconsistent with the answers he gave.

It’s not even season start and already we’ve signed a player because of a contract oversight, out the cup on both football and administrative failures, and signed more players for an U23 side than I can ever recall a club doing in Scotland. The owners son being in charge of recruitment should never of happened as he’s not qualified to do the role. The revolving manager door bringing with it the revolving player door, the club is an utter mess on and off the pitch. It’s lost identity, character, more importantly supporters, and arguably the trust of the fan base.

That’s my thoughts on things on a public forum bud. I simply can’t see Ron Gordon turning Hibs into anything near successful I’m afraid, pains me to say as it’s the club I love.
That’s clear. I’ve had concerns around some of the things you highlight but I guess I’m a bit more distant from it than others. I hope to hell you/ we are wrong and things work out but things don’t look that good just now. We might have to fight for our club again.

[JohnM1875]

It's BK that needs punted for me. Ron clearly isn't an experienced football owner and needs someone guiding him along.

Don't think for a second RG is 'a con' otherwise he's a pretty punky one considering the money we're spending doing up the stadium and on signings.

BK oot, someone good in and I think things would change. Really don't trust BK at all.

[SHODAN]

Summary of Ron Gordon's time at Hibs:

Games played: 146
Won: 62 (43%)
Drawn: 40 (27%)
Lost: 44 (30%)

League finishes: 7th, 3rd, 8th (average: 6th)

Cup record:
Wins: 0
Final: 2
Semi final: 4
Quarter final: 0
1st/2nd round: 1

Record v Hearts:
Played: 8
Won: 1 (13%)
Drawn: 2 (25%)
Lost: 5 (63%)
Goals for: 7 (0.9 per game)
Goals against: 12 (1.5 per game)

Record v Celtic/Rangers:
Played: 21
Won: 1 (5%)
Drawn: 5 (24%)
Lost: 15 (71%)
Goals for: 17 (0.8 per game)
Goals against: 44 (2.1 per game)

Record v Aberdeen:
Played: 11
Won: 4 (36%)
Drawn: 2 (18%)
Lost: 5 (45%)
Goals for: 11 (1 per game)
Goals against: 12 (1.1 per game)

Record in cup semi/finals
Played: 8
Won: 2 (25%)
Lost: 6 (75%)
Goals for: 10 (1.3 per game)
Goals against: 15 (1.9 per game)

Record in cup semi/finals against teams other than Celtic or Rangers
Played: 5
Won: 1 (20%)
Lost: 4 (80%)
Goals for: 4 (0.8 per game)
Goals against: 8 (1.6 per game)

[SlickShoes]

Summary of Ron Gordon's time at Hibs:

Games played: 146
Won: 62 (43%)
Drawn: 40 (27%)
Lost: 44 (30%)

League finishes: 7th, 3rd, 8th (average: 6th)

Cup record:
Wins: 0
Final: 2
Semi final: 4
Quarter final: 0
1st/2nd round: 1

Record v Hearts:
Played: 8
Won: 1 (13%)
Drawn: 2 (25%)
Lost: 5 (63%)
Goals for: 7 (0.9 per game)
Goals against: 12 (1.5 per game)

Record v Celtic/Rangers:
Played: 21
Won: 1 (5%)
Drawn: 5 (24%)
Lost: 15 (71%)
Goals for: 17 (0.8 per game)
Goals against: 44 (2.1 per game)

Record v Aberdeen:
Played: 11
Won: 4 (36%)
Drawn: 2 (18%)
Lost: 5 (45%)
Goals for: 11 (1 per game)
Goals against: 12 (1.1 per game)

Record in cup semi/finals
Played: 8
Won: 2 (25%)
Lost: 6 (75%)
Goals for: 10 (1.3 per game)
Goals against: 15 (1.9 per game)

Record in cup semi/finals against teams other than Celtic or Rangers
Played: 5
Won: 1 (20%)
Lost: 4 (80%)
Goals for: 4 (0.8 per game)
Goals against: 8 (1.6 per game)

Do Tom Farmers stats now

[brog]

I’d be looking at who he has moved on, the ones who have left recently to pastures new (probably before being pushed), things I’ve heard about investment on the pitch and infrastructure, and his recent fans and media podcast where he was not only patronising but inconsistent with the answers he gave.

It’s not even season start and already we’ve signed a player because of a contract oversight, out the cup on both football and administrative failures, and signed more players for an U23 side than I can ever recall a club doing in Scotland. The owners son being in charge of recruitment should never of happened as he’s not qualified to do the role. The revolving manager door bringing with it the revolving player door, the club is an utter mess on and off the pitch. It’s lost identity, character, more importantly supporters, and arguably the trust of the fan base.

That’s my thoughts on things on a public forum bud. I simply can’t see Ron Gordon turning Hibs into anything near successful I’m afraid, pains me to say as it’s the club I love.


We don't have an U 23 side, we have a development team. As we didn't have one previously it's no surprise we're recruiting a lot of players. I'm sure there's plenty valid concerns about our Club just now but making inaccurate comments doesn't help support your point.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Summary of Ron Gordon's time at Hibs:

Games played: 146
Won: 62 (43%)
Drawn: 40 (27%)
Lost: 44 (30%)

League finishes: 7th, 3rd, 8th (average: 6th)

Cup record:
Wins: 0
Final: 2
Semi final: 4
Quarter final: 0
1st/2nd round: 1

Record v Hearts:
Played: 8
Won: 1 (13%)
Drawn: 2 (25%)
Lost: 5 (63%)
Goals for: 7 (0.9 per game)
Goals against: 12 (1.5 per game)

Record v Celtic/Rangers:
Played: 21
Won: 1 (5%)
Drawn: 5 (24%)
Lost: 15 (71%)
Goals for: 17 (0.8 per game)
Goals against: 44 (2.1 per game)

Record v Aberdeen:
Played: 11
Won: 4 (36%)
Drawn: 2 (18%)
Lost: 5 (45%)
Goals for: 11 (1 per game)
Goals against: 12 (1.1 per game)

Record in cup semi/finals
Played: 8
Won: 2 (25%)
Lost: 6 (75%)
Goals for: 10 (1.3 per game)
Goals against: 15 (1.9 per game)

Record in cup semi/finals against teams other than Celtic or Rangers
Played: 5
Won: 1 (20%)
Lost: 4 (80%)
Goals for: 4 (0.8 per game)
Goals against: 8 (1.6 per game)

That is ****ing grim.

[Ozyhibby]

Football side of Hibs is woeful just now and there is no getting away from that. And that’s the bit that matters most.
I’m RG’s defence, I would like to point out that he appears to be lifting the commercial side of the business far beyond anything Petrie could have managed.
Still, if he doesn’t sort out the football then who gives a monkeys.


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[truehibernian]

We don't have an U 23 side, we have a development team. As we didn't have one previously it's no surprise we're recruiting a lot of players. I'm sure there's plenty valid concerns about our Club just now but making inaccurate comments doesn't help support your point.

I suppose Brog my point was, is Steve Kean not on record saying the gap between 18’s and the top team is too big and he’ll be looking at over 20 games a season v U23 sides in England as there’s no Reserves or U21 leagues ?

I agree we’ve called it a Development Squad - and trust me I’m all for youth development and promoting that side of things (and investing properly in it) - but for all intents and purposes the DS is a team that’s going to be competing regularly with U23 sides to try and bridge gaps and fast track into the first team. But yep, I stand corrected on the correct squad definitions.

[brog]

I suppose Brog my point was, is Steve Kean not on record saying the gap between 18’s and the top team is too big and he’ll be looking at over 20 games a season v U23 sides in England as there’s no Reserves or U21 leagues ?

I agree we’ve called it a Development Squad - and trust me I’m all for youth development and promoting that side of things (and investing properly in it) - but for all intents and purposes the DS is a team that’s going to be competing regularly with U23 sides to try and bridge gaps and fast track into the first team. But yep, I stand corrected on the correct squad definitions.

I didn't mean to be pedantic, I was more picking up on your comment about unparalleled recruitment for that development group. As I said earlier that's understandable given we're starting from scratch.

[SHODAN]

Do Tom Farmers stats now

Nae bother. Stats are compared via red/green.

Games played: 1322
Won: 519 (39%)
Drawn: 339 (26%)
Lost: 464 (35%)

League finishes: 9th, 5th, 7th, 5th, 3rd, 5th, 9th, 10th, 1st (second tier), 6th, 3rd, 10th, 7th, 8th, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 6th, 6th, 4th, 10th, 11th, 7th, 11th, 2nd (second tier), 3rd (second tier), 1st (second tier), 4th, 5th (average: 7th)

Cup record:
Wins: 3 (1%)
Final: 6 (1%)
Semi final: 10 (21%)
Quarter final: 13 (27%)
1st/2nd round: 26 (54%)

Record v Hearts:
Played: 110
Won: 26 (24%)
Drawn: 38 (35%)
Lost: 46 (42%)
Goals for: 105 (1.0 per game)
Goals against: 148 (1.3 per game)

Record v Celtic/Rangers:
Played: 213
Won: 35 (16%)
Drawn: 46 (22%)
Lost: 132 (63%)
Goals for: 195 (0.9 per game)
Goals against: 423 (2.0 per game)

Record v Aberdeen:
Played: 108
Won: 32 (30%)
Drawn: 28 (26%)
Lost: 48 (44%)
Goals for: 119 (1.1 per game)
Goals against: 149 (1.4 per game)

Record in cup semi/finals
Played: 30
Won: 12 (40%)
Drawn: 2 (7%)
Lost: 16 (53%)
Goals for: 37 (1.2 per game)
Goals against: 49 (1.6 per game)

Record in cup semi/finals against teams other than Celtic or Rangers
Played: 21
Won: 9 (43%)
Drawn: 1 (5%)
Lost: 11 (52%)
Goals for: 28 (1.3 per game)
Goals against: 31 (1.5 per game)

[Heisenberg]

Seems he’s done another sit down with the fan podcasts. Unsure when it was filmed.

https://twitter.com/strong_op_hibs/status/1550175147440603137?s=21&t=8S3g-1ii-Gjjka-hRn0kFg

[truehibernian]

I didn't mean to be pedantic, I was more picking up on your comment about unparalleled recruitment for that development group. As I said earlier that's understandable given we're starting from scratch.

Fair play mate, I was incorrect the way I put it. Just absolutely fizzing today and the administration fiasco compounded it all. But yep, your point is valid and it is a bold investment by the club - I’m just very uncomfortable with who is recruiting them.

[matty_f]

Seems he’s done another sit down with the fan podcasts. Unsure when it was filmed.

https://twitter.com/strong_op_hibs/status/1550175147440603137?s=21&t=8S3g-1ii-Gjjka-hRn0kFg

About an hour ago!

[Coco Bryce]

Don't think I'll bother.

Full of wind and pish. He actually thinks we have a good squad.

[brog]

Fair play mate, I was incorrect the way I put it. Just absolutely fizzing today and the administration fiasco compounded it all. But yep, your point is valid and it is a bold investment by the club - I’m just very uncomfortable with who is recruiting them.

:thumbsup:

[Islington Hibs]

Yeah, me again.

This is a Hibs forum mostly read by die hard Hibs supporters. Who else would want to spend their time logging on to this website and read the comments posted. I understand there are a few interlopers on this forum, jeez, I've even been labelled a Yam myself, when posting my own honest views.

We all have various levels of patience. Some posters are labelled by others as happy clappers, not willing to see the truth that is in front of their eyes, or others tagged as bed-wetters when posting impetuous comments based on limited evidence. But one thing we have in common is we want to see Hibs function productively off the field and efficiently on the field. I've not seen any of this recently. Surely it's becoming clear to even the most delusioned Hibee that all is not well at ER.

Other threads titled about Johnson or underperforming players are totally missing the point. Our issue and has been over the last year or so is with the owner.

Ron, his son and Kensall are responsible for the mess we are in and must be removed immediately. I've been saying this for months based on ridiculous management decisions, irrational signings and fantasy language used by our owner. We have become a joke and it's now painful.

I'm not really sure what power we as fans have nowadays. But any good people we had at the club have been erased within the last couple of years.

This is not the first time I've posted a thread criticising our owner. One of my fellow posters even took the time to trawl through my posts and select only the negative ones that I did regarding Ron. Maybe he will do so again. I hope he does because I stand by every word I have said about Ron Gordon.

The only time we are going to improve is when Ron, his son & Kensall are gone.

Is there anyone out there with the money, an affinity with Hibs and the desire to remove these idiots in charge.

Please show yourself now because I'm getting old and want to see my club in the hands of people who know what they are doing.

What a very sad comment. Full of negativity. Its his fault,all his as if Hibernian deserves some divine success. We don't and the delusional, self flagellating elements of this support are frankly having the opposite effect- piling pressure and making things worse. Well done you and your fellow judge every individual in 5 minutes crowd.

Ron is doubtless doing his best. He has invested significantly in this club, seems a decent guy and I believe works hard and is honorable. All you will do is drive him away and I have to say I would not blame him. Why should he have to put up with your easy criticism with no answers and none of your own money,

[tamig]

Haven’t been on here since last night so just popped in quickly to look at the madhouse. All highly predictable. I’m away for a few days now and will take another look when I’m back. Some utter nonsense posted across the board just now. But like I say, no surprise.

[Hibs90]

In what sense?

Maybe folks that actually run a business of size can shed some additional perspective… The NFT fiasco I suppose was a punt, what is it hat we say “speculate to accumulate” is that just not applying that elsewhere? It’s not like flipping a light switch.

As an aside, Imagine if we’d had the COVID season with fans in the stadium? I think we’d have found a wee bit more of a connection that’s been eroded.

We are where we are and move forward.

We aren't moving forward. We are regressing at a very rapid rate.

[Since452]

Haven’t been on here since last night so just popped in quickly to look at the madhouse. All highly predictable. I’m away for a few days now and will take another look when I’m back. Some utter nonsense posted across the board just now. But like I say, no surprise.

Correct

[flash]

We aren't moving forward. We are regressing at a very rapid rate.

Not sure about the club but this forum certainly is.

[mcohibs]

Haven’t been on here since last night so just popped in quickly to look at the madhouse. All highly predictable. I’m away for a few days now and will take another look when I’m back. Some utter nonsense posted across the board just now. But like I say, no surprise.

Thanks for the update, keep us posted.

[HoboHarry]

Not sure about the club but this forum certainly is.

:agree:

[Coco Bryce]

Not sure about the club but this forum certainly is.

Has been for about 18 months now.

Wonder why? 🤔

[flash]

Has been for about 18 months now.

Wonder why? 🤔

Not sure we will agree on the reason.......

[Rob]

Haven’t been on here since last night so just popped in quickly to look at the madhouse. All highly predictable. I’m away for a few days now and will take another look when I’m back. Some utter nonsense posted across the board just now. But like I say, no surprise.
Thanks for that amazing insight, can't wait for your next update when you decide to return

[thebausburst]

I have to say Ron comes across very well when interviewed, makes some very good points around off field improvements and recognises on field is not acceptable performance wise, signings wise he’s confident the squad is good enough for top 4 or 5, let’s see if he’s right.

[blackpoolhibs]

I have to say Ron comes across very well when interviewed, makes some very good points around off field improvements and recognises on field is not acceptable performance wise, signings wise he’s confident the squad is good enough for top 4 or 5, let’s see if he’s right.

He's not going to say this squad is bottom six standard is he, but as things stand, i think it is.

Ron does talk a good game, and the work off the field is better by a long way than we've ever seen at the club.

He needs to get someone in that transfer committee who knows what good players look like, or we will have the best stadium, the best sponsors and the best hospitality venues of any club in the land, but nobody frequenting them.

We need players now that will walk into that first team and make it better, not players who are not good enough for it yet but might be sometime in the future, perhaps when we could even be in the championship.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Haven’t been on here since last night so just popped in quickly to look at the madhouse. All highly predictable. I’m away for a few days now and will take another look when I’m back. Some utter nonsense posted across the board just now. But like I say, no surprise.

I hope you enjoyed your break.

[Forza Fred]

He's not going to say this squad is bottom six standard is he, but as things stand, i think it is.

Ron does talk a good game, and the work off the field is better by a long way than we've ever seen at the club.

He needs to get someone in that transfer committee who knows what good players look like, or we will have the best stadium, the best sponsors and the best hospitality venues of any club in the land, but nobody frequenting them.

We need players now that will walk into that first team and make it better, not players who are not good enough for it yet but might be sometime in the future, perhaps when we could even be in the championship.

Pretty much my view.

I like Ron and think he is very good for our club in most things he does.

However, fitba is about the ‘NOW’ not in 12, 18 or 24 months time.

We have enough ‘promising ‘ players.

We need a few now who can actually deliver that promise

[Ged]

We don't have an U 23 side, we have a development team. As we didn't have one previously it's no surprise we're recruiting a lot of players. I'm sure there's plenty valid concerns about our Club just now but making inaccurate comments doesn't help support your point.

The development team is definitely a good move. It will allow players to come through.

[Hibbyradge]

He's not going to say this squad is bottom six standard is he, but as things stand, i think it is.

Ron does talk a good game, and the work off the field is better by a long way than we've ever seen at the club.

He needs to get someone in that transfer committee who knows what good players look like, or we will have the best stadium, the best sponsors and the best hospitality venues of any club in the land, but nobody frequenting them.

We need players now that will walk into that first team and make it better, not players who are not good enough for it yet but might be sometime in the future, perhaps when we could even be in the championship.

:hmmm:

:greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

:hmmm:

:greengrin

Tw++:greengrin